Tuesday, April 10th 2012 - 05:12 UTC

Argentine factory begins production of Pampa training aircraft with German help

Argentina’s government controlled Aircraft Factory, Fadea, plans a production of 100 Pampa II training and combat aircraft at its plant in Cordoba in association with the German company Grob Aircraft AG, it was announced.

The IA 63 Pampa of which 100 units will be manufactured in the next five years

“The Pampa aircraft will have several pieces of its update version supplied by the German factory” said Raul Argañaraz, Fadea president who added this will help ‘greater exposure overseas’.

“Fadea will not be working on its own, but from now on we will work in the framework of cooperation agreements as the one we have signed” added Argañaraz.

The company has a main plant in Cordoba with 120 workers and technicians with the first objective of 100 units, or one per month beginning 2013.

“This will enable us to commercialize the Pampa with its new engine, improving the factory’s productivity and a leap forward in the international market”, said Argañaraz.

With the new (US Honeywell) engine the Pampa will have greater power and will also help optimize the maintenance of the aircraft.

John Alp from Grob Aircraft AG praised the Pampa conditions and said the agreement was very encouraging for this company and for Fadea.

The project includes the construction of 60 advanced training and attack IA-63 Pampa II plus another 40 of the older version, in a timetable of four to five years depending on demand.

Besides 40 already earmarked for the Argentine Air Force as was announced a year ago by Defence minister Arturo Puricelli, some of the training units will be going to Germany and the rest hopefully exported.

Although no price for each aircraft was supplied, according to the Cordoba press, depending on the number and model requested, each aircraft is valued between 9 and 12 million dollars.

The FMA IA 63 Pampa is described as an advanced trainer aircraft with combat capability, produced originally with assistance from Dornier, Germany. Although influenced by the Dassault/Dornier Alpha Jet design, the Pampa differs in being a smaller aircraft plus it is single-engined and has straight supercritical wings rather than the swept ones of the Alpha Jet. It is constructed mainly of aluminum alloy, with carbon-fibre used for components such as the air intakes.

The crew of two sits in Tandem under a single piece clamshell canopy. The avionics systems are also simpler than the Franco-German aircraft, which has an important secondary combat role. The Pampa prototype first flew on 6 October 1984


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1 Boovis (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 05:20 am Report abuse
Can Argentinian posters please now stop claiming their armed forces are shrinking and they're ever so peaceful?
2 Xect (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 07:05 am Report abuse
Bovis I see your point although its not really much of a threat, its like 'my first fighter aircraft' as opposed to a serious threat.

If you want a laugh check its stats versus those of a Royal Air Force Typhoon.

3 lsolde (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 09:40 am Report abuse
The beginning of the Re-arming.
Falklands war III coming soon.
4 Alexei (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 09:54 am Report abuse
You have to wonder who Argentina is defending against. Do they really think somebody is going to invade them? I can see the attraction of invading Argentina, but, other than for the fun of it, I really can't see why anybody would bother.
5 Clyde15 (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 10:10 am Report abuse
The Pampa is really just an updated Alpha Jet which is a trainer aircraft with a secondary ground attack role. As a sovereign nation they have the right to equip their Air Force. It all depends on what they want to do with it in the context of the Falkland's dispute.
I also came across some sites about the shooting down of an Argentine C-130 transport by a Sea Harrier which was a despicable act against an unarmed aircraft.
What was not mentioned was that the Argentine Airforce had been using these aircraft as“ bombers” against unarmed merchant ships. The liberian tanker “Hercules” was bombed and hit by a modified C-130 and had to limp into Rio de Janeiro with an unexploded bomb aboard. The ship was later taken out to sea and scuttled. There was also a plan to attack the QE2 off Ascension Island.
This was when the so called peace talks were taking place. So much for the British firing the first shot. The Argentinian view seemed to be that it's OK for them to attack unarmed British ships but a dastardly deed for Britain to follow their example by shooting down unarmed aircraft.
If anyone is interested, the May issue of Air Forces monthly has a section on the Air War in the Falklands written by Argentinian personnel who took part in the conflict. Brigadier Mayor Alberto Vianna tells the story of the C-130 raids.
6 RedBaron (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 10:26 am Report abuse
I know these aircraft are old news (let's face it, if it has taken them almost 30 years to get a simplified trainer into production, they're hardly likely to be a threat to even the Hunters, Jet Provosts and other retired planes in private hands these days) , but how does CFK and her cronies now defend their own 'militarisation' of the area?
Hope the good people at Grob are paid for their services!
7 JustinKuntz (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 11:22 am Report abuse
A straight supercritical wing, just what you don't want on a transonic aircraft.
8 Troneas (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 11:28 am Report abuse
@2. The only thing people will be laughing about is at your ignorance. You are comparing apple's to oranges. Might as well start comparing an aircraft carrier to a frigate. Two different roles, used for two very different purposes. Germany also has Typhoons yet they want to use this plane for training.

@4. Just like the Brazilian Tucano ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_312_Tucano ) this plane is suited for training, recon, and intercepting unidentified civilian aircraft suspected of carrying illegal merchandise. Additionally, Fabricaciones Militares wants to commercialise military equipment in the global market just like Embraer does in Brazil.
9 Xect (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 11:59 am Report abuse
Troneas, try learning to read, I was referencing the first post.

The only ignorance here is what you have just displayed.
10 cLOHO (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
didnt the UK ground forces find RG napalm ready to drop from a Tucano.
Good plane, the SAS definately took a shine to them.
Blatant militerisation of the SA continent and antartica by RG's shame on you RG's :(
11 The Chilean perspective (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
A complete waste of taxpayer money. Their airforce is totally obsolete and they are wasting precious resources on this piece of shit. This aircaft is slower than a 747 or A320 airbus. Unbelievable, for sure some cronies are getting the cream off of this project. They should spend the money on some REAL aircaft, ones that can repel an enemy. No wonder you Brits can't stop laughing at the Argentines.
12 Marcos Alejandro (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
@11 “No wonder you Brits can't stop laughing at the Argentines”
Do you think so neighbor?
Unemployment in the UK now stands at 2.67 million
Britain’s record national debt, which just surpassed £1 trillion
And their expensive planes run scare of the Argentinean fog to our mainland...

“We are very grateful to both the Argentine Authorities and the Chilean Authorities for their cooperation and rapid response which ensured that this emergency was resolved swiftly and with no loss of life.”



13 Xect (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
I really do not understand why people go on about unemployment, the UK is a country of over 65 million people so 2.67 million unemployed isn't really a big number. Especially since Argentina's unemployment is over 7% VS 8.3 in the UK and unlike Argentina those are the true numbers not some fabricated numbers by the CFK clan.

As for debt that is relative to economy and in that scale it's not as bad as Argentine posters are trying to believe.

It's not the UK that is trying to stop money leaving the country, nor have the IMF threatened the UK for publishing lies about the economy, nor has the UK not paid back money it defaulted on and to continue the UK has the highest credit rating in the world whereas Argentina has junk grade credit, not that it can get any in the first instance. And there's the concerted attack against Argentina's protectionism by the entire EU and many other countries.

And if that isn't enough its not the UK that has 25%+ inflation.
14 PirateLove (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
Is this Militarization on the South Americas?? surely not!
15 geo (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 05:39 pm Report abuse
** 14 make love not war

You should be first rich to have militarizations,almost all Latin American countries are not rich enough ,yet...Latin America military spending is merely 3.3 % of total world share by ~40 $ billions yearly.

if you request any numbers on some World Arm Trade numbers in comparasion....
[UK has ..4 %] of global arms exports although [Germany has 11%] ....
[Russia has ..23 %] global arms exports although [France has 7 %]...
[USA has ..30 %] global arms exports.
16 geo2 (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
I am more powerful than the World's Military Industry. !
17 jerry (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
Do not waste too much time and effort on this subject. It probably will go the same way as the oil pipeline from Chavez land to Argentina and the bullet train from Buenos Aires to Rosario. All announcement and nothing done.
18 briton (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
12 Marcos Alejandro
Unemployment in the UK now stands at 2.67 million
-[not true] we have no unemployment, they all work for the government,][do they not ?]

To be fair to the new Argentina,
It should in retrospect,
1, disband its air force
2, disband its navy
3, disband its army,
Employ search and rescue planes
Employ patrol boats
Employ a ceremonial, battalion only,
It is not threatened; no one is going to attack you
Or invade you,
And as a peaceful nation full of peaceful people,
Then the extra money can be used and spent on the people,
More jobs
Better housing
More hospitals
More schools,
Better education,
Better standard of living
Yep, justa thought .

19 Troneas (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 11:38 pm Report abuse
@18. The same could be said about the UK... With the added bonus that the whole world would be a safer place without their bombs dropping all over the place.
20 lsolde (#) Apr 10th, 2012 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
We need the UK's forces here to prevent belligerent idiots like you from dropping in, uninvited.
21 rebeldenacion (#) Apr 11th, 2012 - 06:12 am Report abuse
And just what did you all expect from Argentina, a repeat performance of course.......for your viewing pleasure:
Gracias Cristina y Nestor.......oh and thanks too Boudou!!
22 cLOHO (#) Apr 11th, 2012 - 06:50 am Report abuse
19 - I think the RG's need better schools the quality of historical knowledge displayed by them on this forum is shocking. AAA rating vs Junk Credit Rating. GDP of a small corner shop vs UK GDP
Nuff said my troll friend
23 briton (#) Apr 11th, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
19 Troneas
. The same could be said about the UK... the whole world would be a safer place without their bombs dropping all over the place.

[Facts are, we are not [claiming] to be at peace,

As for bombs, we do not drop them all over the place,
But alas you knew I was correct, and having no defence, you decided to pass the buck,,

Shame really, most would be grateful for more money,
But then you bloggers have no interest in Argentina, or even argentines well being, you are all obsessed with the British Falklands,
Even at the point of destroying your own country,

Still,, look on the bright side,
You could always be better,??
can the blogger who posted that [you tube] of CFK with the interviewer, animated i belive,,,,re post it please,
24 Brit Bob (#) Apr 11th, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
Be careful Germany these people are unlikely to honour any deals.
25 cLOHO (#) Apr 11th, 2012 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
Maybe the ss network of escaped war criminals that fled to rg land brokered the deal. Supose they must be old. Men
now, unlike their victims
26 briton (#) Apr 11th, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
each aircraft is valued between 9 and 12 million dollars.

not much to go up against the euro fighter,
better spend the money on the best ejector seats lol.
27 Clyde15 (#) Apr 12th, 2012 - 09:34 am Report abuse
The Argentinians could save themselves money by trawling the second hand market for F-16's now available as many air forces are downsizing and updating their equipment. Although not top of the range, they are still capable fighters.
28 lsolde (#) Apr 12th, 2012 - 09:55 am Report abuse
@27 Clyde15,
Don't give them ideas, Jock.lol

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