Cristina Fernandez abandons summit with no declaration on Falklands/Malvinas
Argentine President Cristina Fernández left the 6th Summit of the Americas held in Cartagena de Indias, Colombia, before the official closing meeting allegedly in protest against a lack of regional support for Argentina’s claims in the Falklands/Malvinas dispute with the UK.
The president attended the official closing photo session of the summit with the other heads of state still present at the meeting to then rapidly abandon the facilities and head to the international airport.
According to Colombian media network Radio Caracol, “The Argentine president declined to participate in the final private meeting of the presidents and went directly to the airport of Cartagena”.
Colombian journalists assured that Fernández de Kirchner’s behaviour comes in response to the lack of consensus on support to Argentina’s sovereignty claim over the Falklands/Malvinas and other South Atlantic Islands, a topic not included in the summit’s final report.
The summit had already been marred by a lack of consensus on the Cuban issue with Latin America countries opposing the decades-old US embargo policy on Cuba.
Several countries put pressure on Barack Obama to end the ban, as the US president continued to be plagued by a US secret service scandal involving prostitutes.
The Colombian media reported that the collapse of the summit was no surprise since there was complete disagreement about signing a final statement but the nail in the coffin came when Cristina Kirchner stormed out of the summit followed by Bolivia's Evo Morales.
“Cristina Fernandez was furious, we are told, because of the lack of full, complete support for Argentina's claim of Falkland Islands sovereignty” according to news agencies.
“We understand she was very, very angry that other leaders didn't even mention the dispute over the Islands with the UK”, and furthermore she was overheard saying, “This is pointless. Why did I even come here?'”}
“All countries in Latin America and the Caribbean support Cuba and Argentina, yet two countries (US and Canada) refuse to discuss it“ Bolivia’s president Morales said referring to widespread support for Argentina's claims to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. Morales said: ”How is it possible that Cuba is not present in the Summit of the Americas? What sort of integration are we talking about if we are excluding Cuba?“
Although there were widespread hopes for a rapprochement with Cuba under Obama when he took office, Washington has done little beyond ease some travel restrictions, saying democratic changes must come on the island before any further steps can be taken.
Obama has not spoken of Cuba in Colombia, though he did complain that Cold War-era issues, some dating from before his birth, were hindering perspectives on regional integration.
”Sometimes I feel as if in some of these discussions, or at least the press reports, we're caught in a time warp, going back to the 1950s and gunboat diplomacy and Yankees and the Cold War, and this and that and the other,“ the 50-year-old Obama said. ”That's not the world we live in today”.
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the beginning of the end? i think so
Thats what you call -A FAIL-
How embarrassing and how revealing. In the end all the nationalistic bullshit is just a load of hot -whingy- air . What a waste of time and energy for Argentina.
1765: The British found a settlement in the Falklands.
1815: The Spanish colonial “settlers” of Argentina declare a nation.
1833: These Spanish decide they want the Falklands as well.
I'm really getting fed up with them. I hate colonialism, Argentina doesn't.
In three years time the Falklands will celebrate 250 years of settlement, the Argentinians by contrast will celebrate 200 years of the theft of lands and lives of the indigenous South Americans. As they celebrate this I hope they reflect on their further colonial aspirations over a nation 400 miles away from them, and more importantly, their contribution to the destruction of the life and society of the peoples who already owned the land when they first stepped foot onto the South American continent.
Most world leaders are too busy doing their jobs, looking after their own people and economy.
Perhaps you should try turning your attention to the internal problems in Argentina and get your own house in order, instead of trying to distract your people from the truth of the dire straits of the economy.
Let's see what one of the Argentine posters on here thinks about your post. They are on here all the time. In fact you can't get them off here.
So what do you think guys?
Guys?
Hello?
Marcos, Pirate?
Guys???
Marcos???
Hello?
Anyone?
Testing, testing! 1, 2, 3.
www.eltiempo.com/politica/piera-dice-que-chile-apoya-a-argentina-en-reclamo-por-islas-malvinas_11559641-4
She really should stop believing Timmerman's lies. He has not made any progress at all in diplomatic circles and she does not have the support he tells her she has.
So Pinera said that Argentina has a historical right over the Falklands. But what is Chile actually going to do to show tangible support. Stop LAN? Stop trading with the Falklands? I doubt it.
Marcos? Hello?
Pirate? Are you there?
Think?
HELLO???
You would think she would learn to keep her mouth shut until a deal is worked out so she doesn't look like a weak fool all the time.
I am hear to talk about oil, no wait chocolates, no oil sheesh I meant chocolate. I get them so confused sometimes. ( you could substitute Falklands for chocolate too)
I guess Obama told her to stfu already we're tired of hearing about it.
Every Latin American I know thinks that Argentina is a haven for fanatical indoctrinated fruit cakes.
Isn't the oil company takeover postponed too?
Still, she has all the chocolate she can eat.
I'm just starting to fed up with their lust for another nation that is even older than their own.
Hilarious!
Come on Argies, you should learn a thing or two from the masters.
Rest of the world, “f*ck knows, now p!ss off the grown up's are talking.”
this was the last nail in the coffin for the summit of the “americas”.
UNSAUR from now on and Canada and the US can watch it on TV.
If we look at the Falklanders and then imagine we are one of them:
Faced with a bunch of Spanish Colonials who are determined to steal even more land.
1) Chile helped them in dire times.
2) Uruguay has always been their historical supply point and main SA link.
3) Brazil has hot women, is an economic BRIC nation and has a friendly attitude to the rest of the world.
Should the Islanders decide to forfeit independence I know which of the three I'd choose. If they want security then they should join the Yanks as that's the only way they will get real security, and the Yanks are very similar to them- Social conservatives.
When the British exited from colonialism the Falklanders were offered independence in the first tranche (in 1947) they refused and were given self-government by an annoyed British Goverment.
The Falklanders hate Argentina but don't know which way to look as the British government never seems to have fully supported them, and no other colonials of South America have offered a home- and this is just my speculation.
Hopefully one nation will offer a home as they cannot be independent because the Spanish Argentine colonials will eat them, Unless the US guarantees their freedom. The US at one point claimed the islands during their colonial period, so not so dumb if a Falklander.
Right now, listening to a German ruling the South American region of Argentina just makes me angry. (another bloody European, like me).
All the countries there are there for there own interests first. You scratch my back Ill scratch yours. Thats fine. But what really has Argentina been offering to other countries in return for support for the -LAs Malvina issue-? It not very clear unless its -behind the scenes- stuff..
Her attitude clearly was -Im here pretty much only to get unanimous support for Las MAlvinas- everything else doesnt really concern me..-
Not a mature manner in which to deal in international relations by any countries standards..
Clearly this shows how irrelevant is the US Government nowadays in front of the growing economies south of their border.
This administration embarrased Britain for almost four years, so PM Cameron run to the US to kiss Obama's feet and cried for support in the Malvinas case.
He didn't and still remain neutral, however I am sure they pressured Colombian president just to keep Camoron off the telephone.
Great job Cristina! show those Yanks who is in charge now.
We'll hear more soon about how this situation emerged, but for now its been a little window on how far boundaries of Latin American “integración” really might go - with Falklands freedom as test. None of the “issues” that separated Gringo-North (US, Canada) from everybody else - Falklands, Cuba, drugs, are at all of fundamental importance to the OAS as a whole.
Drug legalization? Let the Latin countries who want US/Canada to legalize drugs try it in their own countries first. If it succeeds, might be something to consider. If it fails, forget it - but at least México will enjoy more stoned gringo tourists showing up on their beaches.
And Cuba!
The irony of wanting to invite a Castro-family Communist autocracy into the OAS talk-fest without signing onto the Inter-American Democratic Charter - when most of the Latin-section of OAS are vilifying democratic Falkland Islands' community - is nothing short of incredible.
No doubt that there will be some consideration that FCO may advance for US-Canada position on Falklands, but hard to know whether its been done or will be a little chit coming in the future. For Canada, having Britain's membership in EU (where several other countries have OCTs like Falklands) might be useful as Canada is negotiating EU free trade deal now. Will be interesting (at least for Canadians) to see what sort of reception that our prime minister gets as he visits Santiago next week. My guess is that the Chilean, Argentine leftists will be eager to let him know their displeasure. Good thing our STAGO embassy is on 12th floor, but building fact may get some abuse from molotov cocktails similar to British Embassy BAIRES.
Obama is flying back home with the knowledge that no final declaration was signed because of his uncompromising and stubborn stance and two leaders left the summit prematurely in protest without looking back.
as i said, UNASUR will take over from now on because it is clear to everyone that the only two countries that didn't sing to the rest of the continent's tune are the US and Canada.
Your beloved president boasted before attending the summit that she would get the Falklands issue on the table, and a statement from the OAS backing her stance.
In this she has spectacularly failed. I don't know why she thinks this is surprising considering at she and her government has spent the last few weeks p!ssing off those that she called ally, Chile, Brazil, Peru to name but a few.
And did you honestly think that the US would take any other stance than 'none of our business?'
Poor Marcos, go and cry in your wine, but on the positive side you can always eat chocolate. :-)
Nobody has an obsesseion with the Falklands except Argentina- a bunch of Spanish colonials. Read my earlier post.
Like it or not the USA and Canada have a overwhelming influence on SA and make or break economies or countries at will.
Trying to make them less relevant will only work in your heads, not in reality.
Should it really come as a shock that they support a great ally of theirs and not a some insignificant and treacherous nation?
She and Timmerman have been proven incompetent. They are out of their depth. She cant even manage within her own borders let alone beyond them.
Just as New Zealand and Australia were given a bunch of our colonies it would be nice good if one of you two took over the stress and management of the Falklands, annoyingly they'd probably decline as they are as stubborn as us Brits.
They just need security from an aggresive Spanish colonial nation and our government just isn't *that* interested. I feel for them.
Not to mention that sixteen U.S. security personnel were caught in a prostitution scandal.
www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/15/us-americas-summit-idUSBRE83D0E220120415
Summit of the Americas ends without final declaration because of the US failure to impose their perverse policies.
Welcome to the new world.
“Great job Cristina!”
You consider claiming to get unanimous support from this summit and then storming off like a child when nobody gives a damn a 'good job'?
No wonder Argentina is in the state it is.
She boasted how she would get unequivocal support from all the OAS nations and get them to declare it, and in that she has spectacularly failed. Hence why she has left early in a huff.
However, the Columbian leader did warn her that this would happen. But since Cristina lives in her own little world surrounded by 'yes' men she didn't believe it. And now she has just embarrassed herself and by proxy the people of Argentina.
It's funny because it happens every time like clockwork and I'm never failed to be amazed by some of the posts like 'Great job Cristina!'
Yeah superb job in failing to get any support and for failing to get the grand gesture in the summit end statement!
Superb success once more! LOL...........
The rest of the world is sick of her petulant ranting and that's obviously even extending to South American countries now. Carry on, if you keep shooting at your feet you won't have a leg left to stand on!
1764: French Arcadians found a settlement in the Falklands.
1765: The British found a settlement in the Falklands.
1815: The Spanish colonial “settlers” of Argentina declare a nation.
1833: These Spanish decide they want the Falklands as well.
The Argentinians are utterly irrelavent.
A bunch of Colonials who have no place in the modern world.
But will everyone get bored of them? In the UK, most people if asked will say we nicked them from the Colonials, because the UK government has completely failed to educate her own population, never mind the rest of the planet.
Well said
More lies? I believe Antigua&Barbuda and Dominica said “No” to Chavez' puppet show.
@34 - Go cry to your queen, Marcos. Like it or not, you guys have come out looking like the morons, (as usual). Obama didn't escape without issue (no wonder, he's also an idiot), but in the end, the real cry babies are Ecuador, Argentina and Bolivia. It's amazing how inept you are without Chavez spearheading the complaint. KFC must have known it was all over when Caracas' resident Stay Puft Marshmallow Man had to be lifted out of the country by a crane.
Maybe this will be the last Americas summit. Who cares? What good comes of meeting with these autocrats? Complain all you want, we will NEVER sit down with that twisted coot, Castro. It's amazing the US and Canada even bothered coming to see ol' Plastic Face and a lazy leaf-eater? Haha, no islands for you, Marcos. KFC sucks (in more ways than one!)
Do you mean, that after stealing the land of the South Americans you now look forward to stealing the land of the Falklanders as well?
The Falklands existed exactly 50 years before Argentina.
I look forward to the second war- once over we will return the land you stole from the South Americans.
Las Islas Falkland seguirán siendo británicas en la medida en que los isleños así lo quieren.
Poor Argentina, losing support for your ludicrous claims faster and faster. I almost feel sorry for you.
I don't think it will take that long,
the world will change a lot in the next 50 years,
who knows what could happen..?
That does seem the trend, either that or just make up some story and say “yeah, well that doesn't matter 'cus THIS happened!!”
It's hilarious, I suspect the rushing off early was another pathetic attempt to get the word 'Malvinas' on the cover of some Argie newspapers for another few days + use it to bring up all the other garbage they spout about the Falklands.
As I posted on another article, I have a viable and practical solution to Argentina’s quest for Lebensraum.
In my modest reasonable analysis, commenting on the Canadian editorial, I explained the impossibility of invading Brazil and Chile, the folly of Bolivia and the complications of Paraguay.
But that still leaves an easy acquisition of a much larger territory with far better weather, substantial fisheries, a strong potential for petroleum production, a larger population that speaks a somewhat similar language with excellent bife de chorizo and very drinkable Tannat wine. The residents there are accustomed to annual summer invasions into Punta del Este and there is even a historical claim on part of the country. An added bonus would be to eliminate Forlan and his team from ever beating their country again in the Copa America. Argentina could take the capital in minutes by hydrofoil and logistically even their forces could support the occupation. It’s by far more practical to invade Uruguay than dream about Las Islas Falklands..
(And yes, I do not agree with my presidente.)
You may even get a government that isn't completely corrupt. But it certainly isn't this one.
Do you think your beloved President will have a temper tantrum and p!ss off even more of the international community as a result? Can wait to find out myself. :-p
When us British get serious about something we really get very serious.
There is no humour in watching a bunch of Spanish colonials bleat on about how they should also own another nation. The Falklanders hate you for a very good reason. Get over it, or enjoy the next war we must have to destroy your pissant annoying Colonial nation.
Now you ridiculously suggest Argentines start keeping to the treaties it signs up to... AND even pay off a few of the debts that they owe??? That they start acting like adults and behaving in a civil manner on the world stage???? Have you gone completely mad? Just what kind of liquor are you imbibing anyway?
Give her a resounding hanky from all of us,
Don’t cry Argentina, mummies coming home now .lol.
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The Argentinians need to take a close look at why the leader of lands stolen from the South Americans wants the lands of another.
Most of the Argentine wars occured during difficult times.
(Continually) Claiming another nation 400 miles away is a sign of desperation.
Britain was and is down the plug-hole, exactly when the Argentinians had their war with Britain.
Speaking to an Argentinian when she vistited London I asked her how the Leather Industry was progressing, given they were major beef exporters. They didn't even have a Leather industry. (Ok, she run transport in Buonos Aires).
The Argentinians seem to have have a government much like Britain: hopeless, incompetent and corrupt, without a single care for the people they were elected to serve. Is this German doing anything for them?
If Argentina could offer something better to the Falklanders than what Britain currently does (I dont mean that arrogantly) then its entirely possible that The Falklanders will align themselves with Argentina in the future. Not to distant either.
However as things stand Argentina would never get the Falklands. Never.
So Malvinistas keep waking up everyday with your hollow, implanted angst about something that really isnt important in your day to day life.
And learn to be grateful for what youve already got in your own land. Jeez!
Mira -
population density of Britain = 248.9 people per km 2
population density of USA = 31.6 people per km 2
population density of Argentina = 14.7 people per km 2
14.7 = *****17*** x more land per person in Argentina than in Britain and more than 2 x that of an American.
Stop whinging and learn to be grateful che :)
Summit Americas LIVE @americas_live
“Most countries expressed they want to seek a peaceful solution to the Falklands conflict” @JuanManSantos
- So does Santos mean that most countries (excepting US/Canada) want a “solution” Latin-style (ie, Argentina gets Falklands), or that a few countries were not seeking a peaceful solution to Falklands conflict, but rather an “un-peaceful” solution - like a violent solution?
I guess we'll hear more in days to come...
The Spanish tried that one Tobers, the problem is cultural identity wins over money every time. You may just as well say if the Chilean part of Terrra del Fuego was offered a bigger slice of the Argentine pie they would join Argentina. Not a chance.
“Argentine President Cristina Fernández left the 6th Summit of the Americas held in Cartagena de Indias, Colombia, before the official closing meeting allegedly in protest against a lack of regional support for Argentina’s claims in the Falklands/Malvinas dispute with the UK.”
lack of regional support to Mercopress is, that 32 of the 34 countries support Argentina's claims, so in the other hand only 2 countries (US and Canada) are neutral that means to Mercopress that there is regional support to Uk so they put a photo of CFK angry to ilustrate the new. Please read twice this article and all the information that Mercopress post in the site, the world is changing.
The British alone (never mind the Falklanders) would block that crazy idea, no matter what the Government may like. Britain would errupt at the mere suggestion.
Pre-1982 it would have been unnoticed and reported in the back page of a newspaper.
I know, and the Brits celebrate MercoStanley misinformation like they won the lottery :-))
I have a feeling you work for the Argentinian government.
Go home to Europe and give back the land you stole: If there are any survivors to return to the land to, of course.
Please return ASAP :-))))
I'm quite angry about an entire theft of a continent, and especially angry about a nation that wants another nation that is 50 years older than your Spanish colonial asses.
The Spanish never controlled the Islands, it was the name they gave them when France decided, over the heads of the French Arcadians, to ceede them to Spain under the Treaty of Tordesillas, 1494 (In which the Pope decided the humans and lands West of Rome were Spanish property, to the East Portugese property.) The most discusting Edict I have ever had the displeasure to read.
Entertaining way to differentiate Canadian from American: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWQf13B8epw
The America's have a lot to answer for, but right now seeing a bunch of Europeans colonists dominating the lands of South America then having the utter gall to talk about a nation as colonialists (the quarter-thousend years of the Falklanders) just makes me angry.
Do the South American Spanish Colonists not understand irony?
Where is your outrage about the stolen continent of North America?
But what exactly is your point, as you failed to make one.
You don't get big by playing it peacefully. War baby.
In South America you are considered the nasty nation.
Unfortunately none of the other Spanish Colonials want to fight you, so I guess us lot will have to do it- again. I hope next time the British Government takes it seriously and mobilises for proper war.
Afterwards “your” land gets returned to the natives you stole it from.
Colonialism: Not a great part of history.
I'm sure Argentina and Britain will go to war again in the future, probably because of Antarctica and not the Falklands. But that's probably 50-60 years in the future.
We are nasty because we took lands from Paraguay (Chaco and Formosa provinces), Misiones province from Brazil, the Chileans say we took Patagonia from them, the indians that we exterminated them. We also pushed Bolivia into selling some Puna land at a discount. Then we invaded Martin Garcia Island and took it from Uruguay.
That's life.
I can't wait until England is returned to their rightful owners, the Scots and the Welsh (the original celts, kicked out by the Jutes and the Angles). Squatter!
Of course, what comes to mind as harsher is much of the Spanish colonial project in the New World, as well as other European nations, such as Conrad's ”Heart of Darkness' - the Belgian Congo.
Canada, Australia and NZ have had their share of oppressive colonialism but there are now efforts underway to redress through Treaty Rights Commissions. In fact, in Canada, the First Nations (native Americans, aboriginal peoples) maintain a direct link to Her Majesty the Queen, as a Royal guarantor of rights (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Canadian_Crown_and_Aboriginal_peoples)
The English, never mind the Scots, Welsh, Cornish or Irish are all very mixed. Scotland has her name from the Scotti tribe of Ireland for instance.
You are, and will always be a colonist.
The land you are on isn't yours. Give it back and go home to Europe.
Your nation is disliked by all around you: it's nothing to be proud about.
Which is whiter, North America or Latin America? (with a few exceptions in the far south of South America)
The British in North America treated the indigenous population so well, that it was virtually completely erradicated from large swaths of land. In most of Latin America, there are indians everywhere, or at the very least mestizos. In North America, you could drive hundreds of miles and all you would encounter are white settlements.
But it's done. And 99.9999999% of Argentines have decided we don't want to leave. If you respect self-determination across the board, then you respect our self-determination. Otherwise, you are as duplicitous as Argentina is accussed of being.
Let the Falklanders alone, they, like you, are decendents of choices made by families long ago- your family moved a long way for a new life- and so did they.
In early days it was called migration, then it became about power (kingdom/empire) building (This also mingled with new religious beliefs). Now (although very similar to power struggles) it has become more about natural resource and wealth (and in some areas about pride).
It is very simple: Man and his needs, whether it be racial, financial, egotistical blah blah blah, will continue to migrate and countries will change their names, religious backgrounds and racial hereditary. This is unlikely to stop, it will just go through highs and lows depending on many different factors.
50 - Chicureo - If Argentina invaded Uruguay, the Brazilians would see them off in a matter of days, and the Argentines are all too aware of it. Uruguay has survived as an independent (if sometimes threatened) nation by playing Brazil and Argentine off against each other. It's a good system, has worked for over 100 years.
“It is very simple: Man and his needs, whether it be racial, financial, egotistical blah blah blah, will continue to migrate and countries will change their names, religious backgrounds and racial hereditary. ”
There's colonialism and there's migration. The two are very different.
Where do you live and do you have a job for me? Go on, just say Thailand....
What would the viking settlements in North America be considered as ???
funny enough im living in china so Thailand easily accessible, and yes possible job opportunity here so send me your CV!
Heh! If you need a builder.....but China right now, hmmmmm :)
I am a thinker though, so that would probably get me locked-up sharpish, then again the Chinese women look good, nah. I'll stick to dreaming of the beaches of Thailand lol! :)
On a more serious note:
@89 ynsere:
How is Brazil in the continent these days?
As she is the undisputed power-house in SA how does she view others, and how do the rest view her?
Are other nations worried about how she will soon change from a giant into a titan?
What are her aspirations within the continent?
Will she send more Brazilian women to London? (okay, that was a joke)
:)
Remember there was a lot of 'demanding' and 'insisting' from Argentina that their little crusade to colonise The Falklands would be discussed and a statement would be made at the summit. It did not happen and Argentina looks foolish again.
Timmerman likes to tell everyone how much support Argentina has for its illegal claim but the reality is that most 'supporters' will only go so far as to say they support a peaceful solution. That's all.
So what if the UK had US help? The US is an ally. It's goes without saying that they will help us and we will help them. Argentina had Peruvian help and we don't complain about that...
Britain still in its spirits,and its institutions and elites,,IS NOT A MODERN COUNTRY and they need to remember that. !
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Thanks for listening.
@23 Sorry? When did the US claim the Islands?
@25 Well, it isn't the Black Widow! Doesn't she look like a slag?
@27 Two countries with intelligence and how many without? Latin/South America always strikes me as akin to a pack of hyenas!
@34 Yep, the New World. Exactly what they called it in the 15th century. And it hasn't progressed yet!
@42 When the sun goes nova. Now exhale!
@48 Argieland could turn into a big crater.
@56 What? Do you belong to a “nation” of 40+ million war criminals and genocides as well?
@66 I expect it'll be a couple of days before your Hoary (Whorey) Hag gets up the courage to tell the world why she got the knickers she doesn't wear in a twist.
@72 What makes you believe you can “think”?
@78 Always good to meet a “proud” murdering genocide. So you won't mind when we annihilate you, will you?
@80 Congratulations! You are in the running for the “World's Greatest Feckwit”!
@83 More congratulations! If you didn't kill them, you raped them. Please define the percentage of “mestizos” originating from a native South American father and a Spanish mother.
@85 But you aren't “a people”. You are just a bunch of colonists from a huge number of origins.
The British have the most advanced military in the world these days and are still the 3rd biggest military spending nation in the world.
Argentina's military is a complete joke compared to that of the UK but hopefully that doesn't matter because I'd rather not see a war and as crazy as CFK is, I don't think she would even dare to attack the British because it would result in total annihilation of the Argentine forces once more.
Anyway back to the subject in hand, what is your take on recent events.
Another interesting snippet from the Colomobian President was that CFKC said she had to leave early because she had a number of problems in Argentina. Possible the truest statement she has ever made. She has a number of BIG problems in Argentina.
Humiliation,
Humiliation,
Huuuumilaaation,
that's what you need,
If you wanna wear a black dress,
and be ignored by all the best,
Hrrrummmm.... Humiliation's what you need.
*trumpet solo whilst tap dancing*
I cannot say it any better myself, about either the nonsense out of timmerman's mouth or KFC's prescription-drug fuelled MASSIVE RAGE QUIT.
why won't anyone listen to me when I say that they are my islands and I don't anyone to play with them but me!!!
Wa!! Wa!!! Wa!!!
Didn't anyone hear me? I said they are my islands!!!
That's it!!! I'm telling!! I'm telling and then I'm going home to sulk!!
Should we be getting KFC her dummy and bedtime story?
Was I the only one that watched national Argentine news uneasy reporting of the cumbre last night? What about reading the Argentine domestic press this morning? Cristina “…esta mañana obedeció a un enojo por la falta de apoyo para que la fallida declaración final de la Cumbre incluyera el reclamo argentino por Malvinas, el presidente de Colombia, Juan Manuel Santos, reveló que su colega argentina, le reprochó ayer: “¡Te olvidaste de Malvinas!...” (In other words, Argentines know that she was really p*ssed and let Santos know it.) This gives her more support to side with Chavez against those Colombian bastardos.
The domestic # 89 Uruguay really needs to attend these type of summits and wake up to reality. No one can even hint however that President Mujica spends money unneedlessly considering he donates 87% of his state salary to charitable causes and still lists his only asset as an old Volkswagen Beetle. (The austere little farm he resides is owned by his wife.)
My proposal for Argentina to invade Uruguay was not serious, and I assume the entire United Nations would come down upon Argentina with crippling sanctions. Uruguay has committed a significant number of their defense forces to support peacekeeping efforts in the Congo and Haiti. (By the way, although their defense forces are quite small, they are well organized, with well maintained modest armaments and have excellent morale.) I believe even Venezuela would strongly condemn CFK. Perhaps in the next Presidential elections, you’ll see a move by Uruguay to distance them selves from Argentina and expand with other trade partners. The Falklands would make a perfect fit.
CFKC should be holding her advisors to account today for telling her a pack of lies before the summit and leaving her looking utterly stupid. Or maybe they are not really looking after her interests at all. Maybe they are tired of her irrational and eratic behaviour.
She has another problem however. The military are incapable of invading another country, but the 100,000 that are there could take all the government offices in BA and then shoot the entire useless government. THAT would be a good start.
There is an old story about Argentina gathering the top world advisors together to study how to solve the economic problems of Argentina. After several months of careful evaluations, the consensus was that there were only two:
A practical solution and a miraculous one. The practical solution was for the Virgin Maria herself to descend from the heavens and bestow the Argentine people a trillion dollars in cash. The miraculous solution would be for the Argentines to be thankful for the riches they already have, work harder and expect less from their government… Truthfully, it’s a magnificent country that Chileans admire. They have practically everything, except good government.
Oh we can but hope. Maybe they would take a leaf out of Thailand's book and throw all the Politicians in jail for a while, until they learn to behave themselves........
-The miraculous solution would be for the Argentines to be thankful for the riches they already have, work harder and expect less from their government… Truthfully, it’s a magnificent country that Chileans admire. They have practically everything, except good government-
Absolutely.
Time for some better advice to el Presidente on how to get on with her neighbours instead of trying to bully them into submission. Time for the more forward thinking real supporters of peace to be heard without being branded traitors.
What about a sovereignty umbrella....now there's an idea that might work......
Tell you what Tobias I'll do you a deal, both Argentina and the Falklands give the land back to their indigenous populations.
If all life began in Africa then the rest of the world was populated by migration, the Falkland Islands was just a bit late getting populated so you could say that Falkland Islanders are the indigenous population.
I agree there is much to like about Argentina - I have travelled extensively there - and the Argentines have been let down by successive governments. I would go further and say the systemic corruption and poor work ethic is more of a cultural impediment to the country's growth and success. If they stopped the indoctrination started by Juan Peron (it belongs in the past) and taught the value of the social contract and responsibility, they may once again be a great nation.
I have a lot of good friends there and have a great affection for the place but I wouldn't live there and prefer Chile as a base in South America.
Argentina has no legal or moral right to the Falkland Islands. Everyone but you brainwashed nutters know that.
Until the people of the Falklands wish it, no talks with ANYONE, let alone Argentina will take place.
The Falklanders have already stated that they are willing to have a UN run referendum on the Falklands, yet Argentina has kept quiet.
Why? Because you know that the Islanders would vote over whelmingly against transferring sovereignty to Argentina. This would then mean you can't hide behind your self-delusions regarding the Islands.
Argtenina should stop looking at the past, and start looking to the future. A future which looks alarmingly dire, economically, as your leadership fudge numbers and out right lie to you, their citizens.
They have badly mismanaged your resources, impose illegal import tarriffs, refuse to payback monies that they owe and now they have humiliated YOU on the world stage.
Argentina has SERIOUS problems and it's going to take some serious hard work to get them sorted out. However, this current bunch of muppets that you have in power either aren't willing or aren't able to cope. You economy is close to collapse, and when it does what then?
Yes, you'll do the typical Argentinian thing and BLAME the British, the Falkland Islanders and everyone else in the world, as your are too conceited to accept any responsibility for yourselves. Pathetic.
I presume you must be also a fully paid up member of the 'flat earth society' to continue to believe that, together with believing in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Golden Pot at the end of the Rainbow.
Live your life and let the Falkland Islanders live theirs!
They don't have the legal right, the moral right, the political power or military power to make anything change.
Let them live in hope if it helps them get through the days.
keep going your all brine comments. !
but,
That initial feeling you had all those years ago has been born out by the tragedy of Britain over the last three decades.It has been a golden era of rhetoric of triumphalism about -- the British economic miracle -- and of hectoring and lecturing Europe about its supposedly out of date --social order--.
It also made more problematic any sense of progressive patrotism ,embracing of militaristic and nationalistic ideas. Thirty years on Brits are no further forward in articulating...post cold war..post war on terror, a counter set of stories to those which have proven so persuasive and entrapping.
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Thanks for you respect.
When Turkey Neck fires him he can come to Britain and run Ken Livingstone's bid to become London Mayor.
Drake,Raleigh,Trafalgar ??...mostly but not exclusively English !
Laughter.....Laughter......JPLES
“President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner has summoned officials, political leaders, unionists and businessmen for a sudden meeting at the Government House during which the Head of State is said to deliver a big announcement in a televised speech at 12pm”.
What nonsense this time?
Your post, like many of your posts, makes no sense.
Tequila with fruit cocktail and chocolate !
but my favorite is just --Tequila with Chocolate enough.
if you prefer cheaper drink i advice to you-- coffee liqueur.
then ,i advice to you -- white wine mixed with gin -- excellent !
As for respect - they are led by a complete pratt.
Lastly - I am glad CFK has goy very little for her grandstanding. She should go and do something more constructive - like try to fix the mess Argentina is in.
President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner presented a draft bill to expropiate and nationalize Repsol-YPF oil and gas company at the Government House during a sudden meeting with officials, political leaders, unionists and businessmen.
The draft bill contemplates the expropiation of Argentina's biggest company, with the Argentine State holding 51 percent stake of the 57 percent that Spanish Repsol holds since 1999, while Argentina's 23 provinces plus the Buenos Aires City will hold the remaining 49 percent stake in the company.
Fernández de Kirchner stated that the decision of presenting the draft bill -that if passed will become law number 21,499- came after “witnessing how 17 years after the privatization of YPF, Argentina became for the first time net importers of oil and gas with a total deficit of over 3 billion dollars. Moreover, in 2011 the oil and gas imports showed a year-on-year increase of 150 percent having spent over 9 billion dollars which was almost as much as that year’s trade surplus.” Shares fell around 18% on the news, apparently.
Share prices plummeted did they? Yet another inspired financial move by the Queen of the Damned.
I wonder if Spain will have the balls to follow through on their threats about getting the EU to impose sanctions? Time will tell I suppose.
It's like the most epic train crash in slow motion, you really couldn't make this up.
I only hope the long last results will not affect the Argentine people too much, its always the innocent that get caught in the cross-fire.
Can we really say that CFK abandoned the summit??? LOL she only left 1 hour early to come back to Argentina and get together with members of the government to prepare the announcement made this monday about taking over part of YPF.
The summit was good for Argentina, even Jamaica, an english speaking country member of the Commonwealth supported the argentine claim over Malvinas.
Plus, Obama asked to meet her to say the relationship with Argentina is ok, even if there are little differences. Who wants to make Argentina angry when it is the 2nd country member of the G-20 that increased the most the imported goods? Even if we are implementing a bit of protectionism we are buying a lot of stuff to developed countries, stuff that countries like Greece, Italy, Spain, etc are not buying anymore...
There may not be any other Summit of the Americas, the US and Canada do not want to change things to solve the Cuba problem, do not want to change the policies on the drugs traffic problem, do not want to talk about defense from colonial powers like the UK...
Americans even made a huge scandal with colombian prostitutes... this was the big news on CNN, that mentioned nothing about Cuba or any other problem. Media corporations distracting americans... I think I've seen it before.
The support didn't get past the US and Canada who immediately veto'd it so nobody else was required to act.
As for little differences, you mean the USA putting Argentina on it's Sh1t list that is incredibly hard to get on by removing trade bonus's. The US is also vetoing Argentina loans at the WCB and just last week lead an official complaint via WTO.
en.mercopress.com/2012/04/11/us-and-eu-considering-wto-actions-against-argentine-protectionist-practices
And to top it all the US has also offered Spain support if the the YPF deal goes ahead.
If those aren't huge differences then I don't know what are.
You know, I know and everone else reading theses posts knows, that if she got the support she has wanted, she would have been straight in front of the cameras at a press conference and not leaving the summit 1 hour early. That my friend is the truth.
She failed in her mission to get support against the UK spectacularly in the same way she was going to have all of the SA heads of state in Argentina for the anniversary and not one turned up.
Or how about Timmerman at the UN who didn't get a single vote of support for his speech and the UN didn't even follow standard procedure and write up the speech or even respond to it.
This support Argentine keeps banging on about clearly does not exist.
How do you know? Perhaps they had planned to wait longer with YPF and see what happened.
To ake this move on YPF so soon after the summit is a great way to distract Argentines from the failure to secure unanimous support for her obsession.
What you talkin bout Willis?! CNN is often talking about -the war- on drugs or the US relationship with Cuba.
A BIT of protectionism?! You should try living in the UK. We can buy a far greater variety of goods and the import tax is usually 20%. Not 50% like in Argentina. I also wonder where all the 50% goes....Argentina is -you scratch my back .. and I wont scratch yours-
You Malvinistas/nationalists/pro CFk ers have taken a long time to respond to this story as you have desperately tried to find another angle to spin.
The story is actually very simple. She expected to really advance on the LAs Malvinas cause but really noone else at the summit gives a shit. Theres nominal support from -the brothers- but at end of the day its Argentina-s obsession.. not theirs.
I literally don't know where to start with this statement! Absolutely incredible. Hypocrisy of the highest order.
www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ae91248c-87e0-11e1-b1ea-00144feab49a.html#axzz1sEF2NMv3
It also shows just how much a tin pot leader CFM is for not using the summit to discuss other 'real' issues.
We have clearly seen the “high water mark” for this Argy diplomatic offensive, and with the rest of the world now looking to settle their own disputes with Argentina, the “Malvins” issue is now perforce dead for another generation or so.
@141 - Another Malvinista turns up! KFC ran home crying with Morales hot on her heels. How pathetic. She is angry that soon, Chavez won't be around to fill her up! haha
Also its unlikely that this will be the last company to be stolen by the RG Govt:
www.businessweek.com/news/2012-04-16/chiles-cencosud-falls-on-argentina-intervention-concern
If I recall KFC and Nestor headed the campaign to have YPF privatised and make a bucket full of money hidden in Swiss bank accounts from that. Curious to see 'them' now nationalise it.
And if she does nationalise YPF, how long before it becomes another useless albatross around the necks of the Argentinian people?
Not that CFK will mind, she'll have all the millions she has stolen to comfort her while her people starve.
You've done it now. All the Malvinista's will be logging onto this site pretending to be 'Chuck' from Seattle and 'Brad' from Atlanta, declaring how the US of A is behind the Argentinians 100% on this issue. LOL.
All it was, was a headache,
End of,
All finished, finite ,
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Jesus Argentines wake up and take responsibilty! Shes a wrongun.
There are none so blind as those who WILL not see.
Well Spain has every right to react in a very forceful manner over this.
just a sailing thought .
Argentina will always choose the wrong government - See Vargas Llosa's SI LLORO POR TI ARGENTINA. It explains a lot.
She could not , did not, get her own way,
And yet again she has failed in her attempt to defeat the dreaded British,
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Instead she is resigned to stay within the losers camp.
How humiliating for Argenvinas, Pirates Rule!!!
very enjoyable whats next? Latin American sheep shearing committee?
Thank you America and Canada.
The truth is we never liked you.
All through your madness,
And your corruption,
You don't keep your promises,
Just keep your distance.
(to the tune of don't cry for me Argentina by ALW).
Is it worthwhile trying to do business with Argentina? Ask the Spanish.
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She looks well pissed, so much for all that unconditional support. Only the desopts are speaking out in support now, how EMBARRASSING :-((
Oh well, off home to scare off any foreign investment, tell the people the summit went really well then DEFAULT!!! Kerplunk!
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HAAAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA!!!!! Classic! Made my day reading about KFC's implosion :-)
And now thanks to the YPF situation they have lost their only ally in Europe who supported them in the Falklands dispute, Spain. The USA is not on best terms either and needless to say the UK is not on the friendly list either.
So in a matter of a few months Argentina has managed to turn most of its supporters away from their cause, the “Malvinas Cause” which last year was strong for Argentina is not dwindling away, like the Argentine economy will within the next few years.
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