Sunday, April 15th 2012 - 20:57 UTC

Cristina Fernandez abandons summit with no declaration on Falklands/Malvinas

Argentine President Cristina Fernández left the 6th Summit of the Americas held in Cartagena de Indias, Colombia, before the official closing meeting allegedly in protest against a lack of regional support for Argentina’s claims in the Falklands/Malvinas dispute with the UK.

According to the Colombian media CFK was “furious”, “why did I come here?”

The president attended the official closing photo session of the summit with the other heads of state still present at the meeting to then rapidly abandon the facilities and head to the international airport.

According to Colombian media network Radio Caracol, “The Argentine president declined to participate in the final private meeting of the presidents and went directly to the airport of Cartagena”.

Colombian journalists assured that Fernández de Kirchner’s behaviour comes in response to the lack of consensus on support to Argentina’s sovereignty claim over the Falklands/Malvinas and other South Atlantic Islands, a topic not included in the summit’s final report.

The summit had already been marred by a lack of consensus on the Cuban issue with Latin America countries opposing the decades-old US embargo policy on Cuba.

Several countries put pressure on Barack Obama to end the ban, as the US president continued to be plagued by a US secret service scandal involving prostitutes.

 The Colombian media reported that the collapse of the summit was no surprise since there was complete disagreement about signing a final statement but the nail in the coffin came when Cristina Kirchner stormed out of the summit followed by Bolivia's Evo Morales.

“Cristina Fernandez was furious, we are told, because of the lack of full, complete support for Argentina's claim of Falkland Islands sovereignty” according to news agencies.

 “We understand she was very, very angry that other leaders didn't even mention the dispute over the Islands with the UK”, and furthermore she was overheard saying, “This is pointless. Why did I even come here?'”}

 “All countries in Latin America and the Caribbean support Cuba and Argentina, yet two countries (US and Canada) refuse to discuss it“ Bolivia’s president Morales said referring to widespread support for Argentina's claims to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. Morales said: ”How is it possible that Cuba is not present in the Summit of the Americas? What sort of integration are we talking about if we are excluding Cuba?“

Although there were widespread hopes for a rapprochement with Cuba under Obama when he took office, Washington has done little beyond ease some travel restrictions, saying democratic changes must come on the island before any further steps can be taken.

 Obama has not spoken of Cuba in Colombia, though he did complain that Cold War-era issues, some dating from before his birth, were hindering perspectives on regional integration.

 ”Sometimes I feel as if in some of these discussions, or at least the press reports, we're caught in a time warp, going back to the 1950s and gunboat diplomacy and Yankees and the Cold War, and this and that and the other,“ the 50-year-old Obama said. ”That's not the world we live in today”.

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1 Joe Bloggs (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
Get it in your head Lady President. Nobody else cares about the Falklands except Argentina, the Falklands and the UK.
2 Tabutos (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
now everyone is getting fed up of Argentina's constant moaning and complaining.

the beginning of the end? i think so
3 STRATEGICUS (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
I notice old Rubberface has walked out on the Cartagena summit in a huff according to Al Jazeera because she couldn't get a unanimous statement backing Argentina over the Falklands. Good for the US and Canada but where is William Hague with his 'quiet diplomacy' with regard to the Commonwealth Caribbean countries who seem to have sided with the Argies. Maybe Britain ought to re-arrange its overseas aid priorities and let Argentina pick up the tab for these ingrates.
4 Tobers (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
Oh dear... Oh dear oh dear...

Thats what you call -A FAIL-

How embarrassing and how revealing. In the end all the nationalistic bullshit is just a load of hot -whingy- air . What a waste of time and energy for Argentina.
5 Moriety (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
1764: French Arcadians found a settlement in the Falklands.
1765: The British found a settlement in the Falklands.
1815: The Spanish colonial “settlers” of Argentina declare a nation.
1833: These Spanish decide they want the Falklands as well.

I'm really getting fed up with them. I hate colonialism, Argentina doesn't.

In three years time the Falklands will celebrate 250 years of settlement, the Argentinians by contrast will celebrate 200 years of the theft of lands and lives of the indigenous South Americans. As they celebrate this I hope they reflect on their further colonial aspirations over a nation 400 miles away from them, and more importantly, their contribution to the destruction of the life and society of the peoples who already owned the land when they first stepped foot onto the South American continent.
6 LEPRecon (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
Yes Cristina. No one cares about your issue of bullying the peaceful people of the Falkland Islands. So much for Argentina's claims that the whole world is behind them.

Most world leaders are too busy doing their jobs, looking after their own people and economy.

Perhaps you should try turning your attention to the internal problems in Argentina and get your own house in order, instead of trying to distract your people from the truth of the dire straits of the economy.
7 Joe Bloggs (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
5 Moriety

Let's see what one of the Argentine posters on here thinks about your post. They are on here all the time. In fact you can't get them off here.

So what do you think guys?



Marcos, Pirate?





Testing, testing! 1, 2, 3.
8 Pheel (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
Thanks PIÑERA for your explicit support to Argentina´s claim at the beginning of the Summit.
9 Papamoa (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
Just goes to show CFK that all of Americas have more pressing matters to deal with rather than her personal Goal of colonial gain over the Falklands and all Land masses in the South Atlantic!!!!
10 ElaineB (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
The Commonwealth Caribbean countries didn't have to say anything. What was happened was that everyone was trying to ignore the issue. Only CFKC was jumping up and down berating people for not mentioning her claim on the Falkland Islands.

She really should stop believing Timmerman's lies. He has not made any progress at all in diplomatic circles and she does not have the support he tells her she has.
11 Joe Bloggs (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
8 Pheel

So Pinera said that Argentina has a historical right over the Falklands. But what is Chile actually going to do to show tangible support. Stop LAN? Stop trading with the Falklands? I doubt it.

Marcos? Hello?

Pirate? Are you there?


12 Islander1 (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
How,s the hammer and nails supply doing Think?
13 Joe Bloggs (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
I'm really worried about them. I think something must have happened. They wouldn't miss the chance to comment about a story like this. To set the record straight.
14 yankeeboy (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
I have never seen a world leader and an obviously skilled politician have to back-peddle so much!

You would think she would learn to keep her mouth shut until a deal is worked out so she doesn't look like a weak fool all the time.

I am hear to talk about oil, no wait chocolates, no oil sheesh I meant chocolate. I get them so confused sometimes. ( you could substitute Falklands for chocolate too)

I guess Obama told her to stfu already we're tired of hearing about it.
15 Anti-Fascist (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
Argentine Malvinista's: “THe world is on our side, Obama hates you, EU hates you, Russia hate you, South America hate you, UN hate you”.... wrong Malvinaista's the world hates you! Keep listening to yourselves the echo in your heads is a cacophony of stupidity.

Every Latin American I know thinks that Argentina is a haven for fanatical indoctrinated fruit cakes.
16 ElaineB (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
Apparently none of the leaders meeting Obama even mentioned The Falklands issue. Something CFKC was not happy about.

Isn't the oil company takeover postponed too?

Still, she has all the chocolate she can eat.
17 Joe Bloggs (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
Let's face it. Everyone has important issues to tackle. A lot is at stake. Nobody cares about some fanatical claim over some islands that they know nothing about.
18 Moriety (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
Argentina has created more wars on the continent of South America than any other Spanish Colonial nation.

I'm just starting to fed up with their lust for another nation that is even older than their own.
19 KFC de Pollo (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
@16 its funny that she even though countries like chile, uruguay, brazil would waste precious time with the leader of the last remaining superpower to talk about some rocks that don't even affect them.

20 Beef (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
When you wash your dirty linen in public then you are in for a hard fall. We British do our talking quietly and with great confidence.

Come on Argies, you should learn a thing or two from the masters.
21 LEPRecon (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
Cristina “why did I come here?”

Rest of the world, “f*ck knows, now p!ss off the grown up's are talking.”
22 Troneas (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
It is clear that the Americas are thinking 'A', and the United States and Canada are thinking 'B'.

this was the last nail in the coffin for the summit of the “americas”.

UNSAUR from now on and Canada and the US can watch it on TV.
23 Moriety (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
Beef, that is arrogant.

If we look at the Falklanders and then imagine we are one of them:

Faced with a bunch of Spanish Colonials who are determined to steal even more land.
1) Chile helped them in dire times.
2) Uruguay has always been their historical supply point and main SA link.
3) Brazil has hot women, is an economic BRIC nation and has a friendly attitude to the rest of the world.

Should the Islanders decide to forfeit independence I know which of the three I'd choose. If they want security then they should join the Yanks as that's the only way they will get real security, and the Yanks are very similar to them- Social conservatives.

When the British exited from colonialism the Falklanders were offered independence in the first tranche (in 1947) they refused and were given self-government by an annoyed British Goverment.

The Falklanders hate Argentina but don't know which way to look as the British government never seems to have fully supported them, and no other colonials of South America have offered a home- and this is just my speculation.

Hopefully one nation will offer a home as they cannot be independent because the Spanish Argentine colonials will eat them, Unless the US guarantees their freedom. The US at one point claimed the islands during their colonial period, so not so dumb if a Falklander.

Right now, listening to a German ruling the South American region of Argentina just makes me angry. (another bloody European, like me).
24 Tobers (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
Her -why did I come here?- comment and attitude sum it nicely.

All the countries there are there for there own interests first. You scratch my back Ill scratch yours. Thats fine. But what really has Argentina been offering to other countries in return for support for the -LAs Malvina issue-? It not very clear unless its -behind the scenes- stuff..

Her attitude clearly was -Im here pretty much only to get unanimous support for Las MAlvinas- everything else doesnt really concern me..-

Not a mature manner in which to deal in international relations by any countries standards..
25 Marcos Alejandro (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
11 Joe Bloggs Hi Joe!

Clearly this shows how irrelevant is the US Government nowadays in front of the growing economies south of their border.
This administration embarrased Britain for almost four years, so PM Cameron run to the US to kiss Obama's feet and cried for support in the Malvinas case.
He didn't and still remain neutral, however I am sure they pressured Colombian president just to keep Camoron off the telephone.
Great job Cristina! show those Yanks who is in charge now.
26 JohnN (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
Diplomatic funk for Cristina!

We'll hear more soon about how this situation emerged, but for now its been a little window on how far boundaries of Latin American “integración” really might go - with Falklands freedom as test. None of the “issues” that separated Gringo-North (US, Canada) from everybody else - Falklands, Cuba, drugs, are at all of fundamental importance to the OAS as a whole.

Drug legalization? Let the Latin countries who want US/Canada to legalize drugs try it in their own countries first. If it succeeds, might be something to consider. If it fails, forget it - but at least México will enjoy more stoned gringo tourists showing up on their beaches.

And Cuba!

The irony of wanting to invite a Castro-family Communist autocracy into the OAS talk-fest without signing onto the Inter-American Democratic Charter - when most of the Latin-section of OAS are vilifying democratic Falkland Islands' community - is nothing short of incredible.

No doubt that there will be some consideration that FCO may advance for US-Canada position on Falklands, but hard to know whether its been done or will be a little chit coming in the future. For Canada, having Britain's membership in EU (where several other countries have OCTs like Falklands) might be useful as Canada is negotiating EU free trade deal now. Will be interesting (at least for Canadians) to see what sort of reception that our prime minister gets as he visits Santiago next week. My guess is that the Chilean, Argentine leftists will be eager to let him know their displeasure. Good thing our STAGO embassy is on 12th floor, but building fact may get some abuse from molotov cocktails similar to British Embassy BAIRES.
27 Troneas (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
@25. Precisely MA.

Obama is flying back home with the knowledge that no final declaration was signed because of his uncompromising and stubborn stance and two leaders left the summit prematurely in protest without looking back.

as i said, UNASUR will take over from now on because it is clear to everyone that the only two countries that didn't sing to the rest of the continent's tune are the US and Canada.
28 LEPRecon (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
@25 - Marcos, just keep telling yourself that.

Your beloved president boasted before attending the summit that she would get the Falklands issue on the table, and a statement from the OAS backing her stance.

In this she has spectacularly failed. I don't know why she thinks this is surprising considering at she and her government has spent the last few weeks p!ssing off those that she called ally, Chile, Brazil, Peru to name but a few.

And did you honestly think that the US would take any other stance than 'none of our business?'

Poor Marcos, go and cry in your wine, but on the positive side you can always eat chocolate. :-)
29 Moriety (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
Marcos Alejandro,

Nobody has an obsesseion with the Falklands except Argentina- a bunch of Spanish colonials. Read my earlier post.
30 Xect (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
Nice attitude Troneas and Marcos, shame it isn't embedded in reality.

Like it or not the USA and Canada have a overwhelming influence on SA and make or break economies or countries at will.

Trying to make them less relevant will only work in your heads, not in reality.

Should it really come as a shock that they support a great ally of theirs and not a some insignificant and treacherous nation?
31 Troneas (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:37 pm Report abuse
Peruvian president also left prematurely. That adds to CFK and Morales.
32 Tobers (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
Spin it how you like MAlvinistas. Your irrationality is a fascinating insight into human nature. CFK had geared everything up to this summit and she has failed quite spectacularly.

She and Timmerman have been proven incompetent. They are out of their depth. She cant even manage within her own borders let alone beyond them.
33 Moriety (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
Yep Xect,

Just as New Zealand and Australia were given a bunch of our colonies it would be nice good if one of you two took over the stress and management of the Falklands, annoyingly they'd probably decline as they are as stubborn as us Brits.

They just need security from an aggresive Spanish colonial nation and our government just isn't *that* interested. I feel for them.
34 Marcos Alejandro (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
“Unprecedented Latin American opposition to U.S. sanctions on Cuba left President Barack Obama isolated at a summit on Sunday and illustrated Washington's declining influence in a region being aggressively courted by China”
Not to mention that sixteen U.S. security personnel were caught in a prostitution scandal.

Summit of the Americas ends without final declaration because of the US failure to impose their perverse policies.
Welcome to the new world.
35 ynsere (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
I predict that in another 30 years' time, Argentina will be saying that the events of 1982 were the fault of a drunk dictator, those of 2012 the fault of a thieving would-be dictator but the “Malvinas are still Argentina's”. Meanwhile, the islanders will be happy and free in the knowledge they have no dealings with Argentina, and hopefully the rest of South America will also be free of crazy Argentine leaders and their brainwashed supporters.
36 RobWilliams (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:50 pm Report abuse

“Great job Cristina!”

You consider claiming to get unanimous support from this summit and then storming off like a child when nobody gives a damn a 'good job'?

No wonder Argentina is in the state it is.
37 LEPRecon (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
@34 - Marcos, you are trying to deflect this post away from the fact that your beloved president based her whole reason of going to the OAS summit on the Falklands issue.

She boasted how she would get unequivocal support from all the OAS nations and get them to declare it, and in that she has spectacularly failed. Hence why she has left early in a huff.

However, the Columbian leader did warn her that this would happen. But since Cristina lives in her own little world surrounded by 'yes' men she didn't believe it. And now she has just embarrassed herself and by proxy the people of Argentina.
38 Xect (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
Rob, I think the Argentine posters are in their usual state of denial when things do not go their way.

It's funny because it happens every time like clockwork and I'm never failed to be amazed by some of the posts like 'Great job Cristina!'

Yeah superb job in failing to get any support and for failing to get the grand gesture in the summit end statement!

Superb success once more! LOL...........
39 Feathers McGraw (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
Great stuff, KFC's true colours showing, acting like a spoilt child as usual “and these are MY toys and I'm going to take them away if you don't give me what I want”.

The rest of the world is sick of her petulant ranting and that's obviously even extending to South American countries now. Carry on, if you keep shooting at your feet you won't have a leg left to stand on!
40 Moriety (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:04 pm Report abuse
I repeat:

1764: French Arcadians found a settlement in the Falklands.
1765: The British found a settlement in the Falklands.
1815: The Spanish colonial “settlers” of Argentina declare a nation.
1833: These Spanish decide they want the Falklands as well.

The Argentinians are utterly irrelavent.
A bunch of Colonials who have no place in the modern world.

But will everyone get bored of them? In the UK, most people if asked will say we nicked them from the Colonials, because the UK government has completely failed to educate her own population, never mind the rest of the planet.
41 Anti-Fascist (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:06 pm Report abuse
40 Moriety

Well said
42 vix (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:07 pm Report abuse
Las Malvinas son argentinas, it's just a matter of time..!
43 Xect (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:08 pm Report abuse
When he says a matter of time, I presume he means after the world has ended.......
44 Stefan (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
“All countries in Latin America and the Caribbean support Cuba and Argentina, yet two countries (US and Canada) refuse to discuss it“ Bolivia’s president Morales said referring to widespread support for Argentina's claims to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.

More lies? I believe Antigua&Barbuda and Dominica said “No” to Chavez' puppet show.

@34 - Go cry to your queen, Marcos. Like it or not, you guys have come out looking like the morons, (as usual). Obama didn't escape without issue (no wonder, he's also an idiot), but in the end, the real cry babies are Ecuador, Argentina and Bolivia. It's amazing how inept you are without Chavez spearheading the complaint. KFC must have known it was all over when Caracas' resident Stay Puft Marshmallow Man had to be lifted out of the country by a crane.
Maybe this will be the last Americas summit. Who cares? What good comes of meeting with these autocrats? Complain all you want, we will NEVER sit down with that twisted coot, Castro. It's amazing the US and Canada even bothered coming to see ol' Plastic Face and a lazy leaf-eater? Haha, no islands for you, Marcos. KFC sucks (in more ways than one!)
45 Moriety (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:15 pm Report abuse

Do you mean, that after stealing the land of the South Americans you now look forward to stealing the land of the Falklanders as well?

The Falklands existed exactly 50 years before Argentina.

I look forward to the second war- once over we will return the land you stole from the South Americans.
46 LEPRecon (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
@42 - vix, the devil will be skating to work on that day.

Las Islas Falkland seguirán siendo británicas en la medida en que los isleños así lo quieren.

Poor Argentina, losing support for your ludicrous claims faster and faster. I almost feel sorry for you.
47 Selk'nam (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:17 pm
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48 vix (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:17 pm Report abuse
ha ha ha I like british humor.. !
I don't think it will take that long,
the world will change a lot in the next 50 years,
who knows what could happen..?
49 RobWilliams (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:22 pm Report abuse

That does seem the trend, either that or just make up some story and say “yeah, well that doesn't matter 'cus THIS happened!!”

It's hilarious, I suspect the rushing off early was another pathetic attempt to get the word 'Malvinas' on the cover of some Argie newspapers for another few days + use it to bring up all the other garbage they spout about the Falklands.
50 Chicureo (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
¡Qué bárbara la Cristina, ché!
As I posted on another article, I have a viable and practical solution to Argentina’s quest for Lebensraum.
In my modest reasonable analysis, commenting on the Canadian editorial, I explained the impossibility of invading Brazil and Chile, the folly of Bolivia and the complications of Paraguay.
But that still leaves an easy acquisition of a much larger territory with far better weather, substantial fisheries, a strong potential for petroleum production, a larger population that speaks a somewhat similar language with excellent bife de chorizo and very drinkable Tannat wine. The residents there are accustomed to annual summer invasions into Punta del Este and there is even a historical claim on part of the country. An added bonus would be to eliminate Forlan and his team from ever beating their country again in the Copa America. Argentina could take the capital in minutes by hydrofoil and logistically even their forces could support the occupation. It’s by far more practical to invade Uruguay than dream about Las Islas Falklands..

(And yes, I do not agree with my presidente.)
51 LEPRecon (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
@48 - Vix, yes the world could change indeed. Even Argentina may start keeping to the treaties it signs up to, and could even pay off a few of the debts that you owe. You may start acting like adults and behaving in a civil manner on the world stage.

You may even get a government that isn't completely corrupt. But it certainly isn't this one.

Do you think your beloved President will have a temper tantrum and p!ss off even more of the international community as a result? Can wait to find out myself. :-p
52 Selk'nam (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:25 pm
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53 Moriety (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:25 pm Report abuse
Viz mate,

When us British get serious about something we really get very serious.

There is no humour in watching a bunch of Spanish colonials bleat on about how they should also own another nation. The Falklanders hate you for a very good reason. Get over it, or enjoy the next war we must have to destroy your pissant annoying Colonial nation.
54 Chicureo (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
LEPRecon: Have you lost your mind? You earlier suggested la vieja yegua should try turning her attention to the internal problems in Argentina and get her own house in order, instead of trying to distract her people from the truth of the dire straits of the economy?
Now you ridiculously suggest Argentines start keeping to the treaties it signs up to... AND even pay off a few of the debts that they owe??? That they start acting like adults and behaving in a civil manner on the world stage???? Have you gone completely mad? Just what kind of liquor are you imbibing anyway?
55 briton (#) Apr 15th, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
Oh dear, is this why B-K is not here, we heard he was on a plane to Argentina to comfort his beloved queen,

Give her a resounding hanky from all of us,
Don’t cry Argentina, mummies coming home now .lol.
56 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:07 am Report abuse
No need to insult the Argentinians, they, like me, are just the people of a nation. Even if they are a bunch of thieves :) (sorry)

The Argentinians need to take a close look at why the leader of lands stolen from the South Americans wants the lands of another.
Most of the Argentine wars occured during difficult times.
(Continually) Claiming another nation 400 miles away is a sign of desperation.

Britain was and is down the plug-hole, exactly when the Argentinians had their war with Britain.

Speaking to an Argentinian when she vistited London I asked her how the Leather Industry was progressing, given they were major beef exporters. They didn't even have a Leather industry. (Ok, she run transport in Buonos Aires).

The Argentinians seem to have have a government much like Britain: hopeless, incompetent and corrupt, without a single care for the people they were elected to serve. Is this German doing anything for them?
57 Tobers (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:07 am Report abuse

If Argentina could offer something better to the Falklanders than what Britain currently does (I dont mean that arrogantly) then its entirely possible that The Falklanders will align themselves with Argentina in the future. Not to distant either.

However as things stand Argentina would never get the Falklands. Never.

So Malvinistas keep waking up everyday with your hollow, implanted angst about something that really isnt important in your day to day life.
And learn to be grateful for what youve already got in your own land. Jeez!

Mira -

population density of Britain = 248.9 people per km 2
population density of USA = 31.6 people per km 2
population density of Argentina = 14.7 people per km 2

14.7 = *****17*** x more land per person in Argentina than in Britain and more than 2 x that of an American.

Stop whinging and learn to be grateful che :)
58 JohnN (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:08 am Report abuse
Rather an odd twitter at 1900 GMT from Summit host, Colombian President Juan Manual Santos:

Summit Americas LIVE ‏ @americas_live
“Most countries expressed they want to seek a peaceful solution to the Falklands conflict” @JuanManSantos

- So does Santos mean that most countries (excepting US/Canada) want a “solution” Latin-style (ie, Argentina gets Falklands), or that a few countries were not seeking a peaceful solution to Falklands conflict, but rather an “un-peaceful” solution - like a violent solution?

I guess we'll hear more in days to come...
59 Chicureo (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:11 am Report abuse
This is pure Schadenfreude. I'm watching Argentine news on cable about their version of what happened in Colombia. TOO FUNNY! I opened a wonderful bottle of Don Maximiano cabernet sauvignon and really having fun.
60 Anti-Fascist (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:12 am Report abuse
57 Tobers

The Spanish tried that one Tobers, the problem is cultural identity wins over money every time. You may just as well say if the Chilean part of Terrra del Fuego was offered a bigger slice of the Argentine pie they would join Argentina. Not a chance.
61 Tobers (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:28 am Report abuse
I meant **OR** learn to be grateful for what youve already got in your own land.
62 Vietnam (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:30 am Report abuse
Dear readers, its very interesting how Mercopress twist information to its own point of view. Read This...

“Argentine President Cristina Fernández left the 6th Summit of the Americas held in Cartagena de Indias, Colombia, before the official closing meeting allegedly in protest against a lack of regional support for Argentina’s claims in the Falklands/Malvinas dispute with the UK.”

lack of regional support to Mercopress is, that 32 of the 34 countries support Argentina's claims, so in the other hand only 2 countries (US and Canada) are neutral that means to Mercopress that there is regional support to Uk so they put a photo of CFK angry to ilustrate the new. Please read twice this article and all the information that Mercopress post in the site, the world is changing.
63 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:35 am Report abuse

The British alone (never mind the Falklanders) would block that crazy idea, no matter what the Government may like. Britain would errupt at the mere suggestion.
Pre-1982 it would have been unnoticed and reported in the back page of a newspaper.
64 JohnN (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:59 am Report abuse
#62: Sub-headings are normally condensed, truncated transition from headline to text, so meaning succinct but not complete. “Lack of regional support” is accurate - the region as a whole did not support Argentina's claims because two countries, US and Canada, did not support it. However, if you parse out the Southern Latin American sub-region against the Anglo-Saxon Northern sub-region, your point clearly emerges...esos dos paises gringos putas contra nosotros los buenos y puros.
65 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 01:07 am Report abuse
So the Spanish Colonials of South America decided the Falklands should be part of their family of Colonial nations? (Not quite content with stealing an entire continent they wish to steal a little more?)
66 Marcos Alejandro (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 01:13 am Report abuse
62 ”lack of regional support to Mercopress is, that 32 of the 34 countries support Argentina's claims, so in the other hand only 2 countries (US and Canada) are neutral”
I know, and the Brits celebrate MercoStanley misinformation like they won the lottery :-))
67 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 01:17 am Report abuse

I have a feeling you work for the Argentinian government.

Go home to Europe and give back the land you stole: If there are any survivors to return to the land to, of course.
68 Marcos Alejandro (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 01:25 am Report abuse
67 How do you know that smarty? Did you get my check?
Please return ASAP :-))))
69 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 01:29 am Report abuse
I've no idea what you are wittering/wibberling on about.

I'm quite angry about an entire theft of a continent, and especially angry about a nation that wants another nation that is 50 years older than your Spanish colonial asses.
70 xbarilox (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 01:38 am Report abuse
Disgusting, this article is just rubbish. You know very well that Cristina wasn't angry, the lack of support you're talking about it's basically that the USA and Canada didn't like the idea of talking about Malvinas and Cuba. President Santos said that Cristina wasn't angry at all. What #66 is saying is true and you know that very well. This summit is another big lie. They didn't talk about Malvinas and Cuba only because the USA and Canada didn't like it. I believe in the right of the islanders, but this is a shame Mercopress, you're lying here.
71 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 01:47 am Report abuse
“Malvinas” The nation is called the Falklands.

The Spanish never controlled the Islands, it was the name they gave them when France decided, over the heads of the French Arcadians, to ceede them to Spain under the Treaty of Tordesillas, 1494 (In which the Pope decided the humans and lands West of Rome were Spanish property, to the East Portugese property.) The most discusting Edict I have ever had the displeasure to read.
72 Vietnam (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 01:53 am Report abuse
I add one thing, I think the only neutral country is U.S., Canada is simply a northern american state like California or Illinois, they have not an own point of view on international issues, they blindly follow U.S.
73 JohnN (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:24 am Report abuse
#72: Ah Canada, so far from God, so near to America. Oops - thats what México says! From a distance, its not unreasonable to suppose that Canada is just northern appendage of US, but Canada doesn't completely follow America, due in part to our rejection of the American Revolution and maintenance of constitutional monarchy as well as bi-lingualism (English, French). Canada sends zillions of tourists to Cuba, has gun controls, public medical care, gay marriage, transgender beauty queens, sends troops to Afghanistan but not Iraq, etc, etc. As in America, rugby not a big sport in Canada, but as some Argentines were surprised to learn, Falkland Islanders don't play rugby either!

Entertaining way to differentiate Canadian from American:
74 xbarilox (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:28 am Report abuse
@ 73 It doesn't matter, this article still is just rubbish. The USA and Canada did the wrong thing, no matter how you call it.
75 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:35 am Report abuse
Yep, and Canada is another land that took land from the owners. But a land I look to should I ever save enough to travel.

The America's have a lot to answer for, but right now seeing a bunch of Europeans colonists dominating the lands of South America then having the utter gall to talk about a nation as colonialists (the quarter-thousend years of the Falklanders) just makes me angry.

Do the South American Spanish Colonists not understand irony?
76 tobias (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:36 am Report abuse
Moriety, are you some sort of fool? Are you trying to make the British look bad??

Where is your outrage about the stolen continent of North America?
77 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:45 am Report abuse
Read a single history book mate. It's called an education.

But what exactly is your point, as you failed to make one.
78 tobias (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:50 am Report abuse
The point is you are as typical, an Anglo hypocrite. You reside on usurped land, go back to squat on the streets of London. I for one am proud of all the stolen land we took from Paraguay, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay and the Indians. In 1818 we were 8 provinces and a country barely bigger than France. By 1957 we were the world's 7th largest landmass nation-state with 24 provinces.

You don't get big by playing it peacefully. War baby.
79 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:00 am Report abuse
Yes, when your minow of a nation (The United Provinces) hadn't even got round to killing the native Americans of Patagonia, you decided you wanted to lands of another nation 50 years older than you.

In South America you are considered the nasty nation.
Unfortunately none of the other Spanish Colonials want to fight you, so I guess us lot will have to do it- again. I hope next time the British Government takes it seriously and mobilises for proper war.
Afterwards “your” land gets returned to the natives you stole it from.
Colonialism: Not a great part of history.
80 tobias (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:05 am Report abuse
The Falklands are not a nation, they have never been independent.

I'm sure Argentina and Britain will go to war again in the future, probably because of Antarctica and not the Falklands. But that's probably 50-60 years in the future.

We are nasty because we took lands from Paraguay (Chaco and Formosa provinces), Misiones province from Brazil, the Chileans say we took Patagonia from them, the indians that we exterminated them. We also pushed Bolivia into selling some Puna land at a discount. Then we invaded Martin Garcia Island and took it from Uruguay.

That's life.

I can't wait until England is returned to their rightful owners, the Scots and the Welsh (the original celts, kicked out by the Jutes and the Angles). Squatter!
81 JohnN (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:12 am Report abuse
Colonialism was bad, but some colonial projects were harsher than others. Britain may not have had the lightest-weight colonial enterprise in some of its subjugated lands, but compared to most others, it often respected indigenous culture a good deal more.

Of course, what comes to mind as harsher is much of the Spanish colonial project in the New World, as well as other European nations, such as Conrad's ”Heart of Darkness' - the Belgian Congo.

Canada, Australia and NZ have had their share of oppressive colonialism but there are now efforts underway to redress through Treaty Rights Commissions. In fact, in Canada, the First Nations (native Americans, aboriginal peoples) maintain a direct link to Her Majesty the Queen, as a Royal guarantor of rights (
82 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:14 am Report abuse
What crap are you talking of?

The English, never mind the Scots, Welsh, Cornish or Irish are all very mixed. Scotland has her name from the Scotti tribe of Ireland for instance.

You are, and will always be a colonist.
The land you are on isn't yours. Give it back and go home to Europe.
Your nation is disliked by all around you: it's nothing to be proud about.
83 tobias (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:17 am Report abuse

Which is whiter, North America or Latin America? (with a few exceptions in the far south of South America)

The British in North America treated the indigenous population so well, that it was virtually completely erradicated from large swaths of land. In most of Latin America, there are indians everywhere, or at the very least mestizos. In North America, you could drive hundreds of miles and all you would encounter are white settlements.
84 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:28 am Report abuse
NO colonialism was good. Islamic eradication of the North African peoples, the 13 English colonies in North America, the forced adoptions of the Aboriginies in Australia. Point out one good thing that “we” Europeans did for “them” and I'll get attentive. And no, railways were getting built in the very few nations that escaped colonialism. (and it really is just a *very* few nations that escapted colonialism.)
85 tobias (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:33 am Report abuse
Well, you must be new here, because I am one of the biggest haters of colonialism. I've been called anti-european many times.

But it's done. And 99.9999999% of Argentines have decided we don't want to leave. If you respect self-determination across the board, then you respect our self-determination. Otherwise, you are as duplicitous as Argentina is accussed of being.
86 Boovis (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:34 am Report abuse
“Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman indicated that Argentina’s participation in the 6th Summit of the Americas “left a very positive balance,” and stressed on the importance of the bilateral meeting between President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner and US president Barack Obama.” if stupidity was rocket fuel this guy'd be on the moon by now, how deluded can you get?!
87 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:38 am Report abuse
Tobias, I'm actually called Toby. You made a fair point.

Let the Falklanders alone, they, like you, are decendents of choices made by families long ago- your family moved a long way for a new life- and so did they.
88 brit abroad (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:52 am Report abuse
Tobais et al, i suggest you all buy some ancient history books and stop your stupid squabbling about who has the rights to live where. Populations rises, race, religous groups/beliefs, disease, technology farming ability, natural resources have all at somepoint been either the main motivators or causes for mans migration into lands that were not initially his or hers. man has been on the move since he came into being!

In early days it was called migration, then it became about power (kingdom/empire) building (This also mingled with new religious beliefs). Now (although very similar to power struggles) it has become more about natural resource and wealth (and in some areas about pride).

It is very simple: Man and his needs, whether it be racial, financial, egotistical blah blah blah, will continue to migrate and countries will change their names, religious backgrounds and racial hereditary. This is unlikely to stop, it will just go through highs and lows depending on many different factors.
89 ynsere (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:54 am Report abuse
Uruguay might as well have kept President Mujica and his retinue at home. Could have built a dozen houses for the poor with the savings.

50 - Chicureo - If Argentina invaded Uruguay, the Brazilians would see them off in a matter of days, and the Argentines are all too aware of it. Uruguay has survived as an independent (if sometimes threatened) nation by playing Brazil and Argentine off against each other. It's a good system, has worked for over 100 years.
90 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:57 am Report abuse
Quote to Brit abroad:

“It is very simple: Man and his needs, whether it be racial, financial, egotistical blah blah blah, will continue to migrate and countries will change their names, religious backgrounds and racial hereditary. ”

There's colonialism and there's migration. The two are very different.
Where do you live and do you have a job for me? Go on, just say Thailand....
91 brit abroad (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 04:09 am Report abuse
I understand they are different, but they share a common theme, I.E one population supplanting/or combining with another! And it wont stop.

What would the viking settlements in North America be considered as ???

funny enough im living in china so Thailand easily accessible, and yes possible job opportunity here so send me your CV!
92 Moriety (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 04:24 am Report abuse
@Brit abroad
Heh! If you need a builder.....but China right now, hmmmmm :)
I am a thinker though, so that would probably get me locked-up sharpish, then again the Chinese women look good, nah. I'll stick to dreaming of the beaches of Thailand lol! :)

On a more serious note:

@89 ynsere:
How is Brazil in the continent these days?
As she is the undisputed power-house in SA how does she view others, and how do the rest view her?
Are other nations worried about how she will soon change from a giant into a titan?

What are her aspirations within the continent?
Will she send more Brazilian women to London? (okay, that was a joke)
93 ynsere (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 06:18 am Report abuse
@92 Moriety - I'm no expert on military matters, but I understand Argentina has been reducing her capabilities while Brazil has been increasing hers, including an up-to-date aircraft carrier and building her own submarines. Brazil also has a creditable air industry of her own (Embraer and others) as well as a missile development company called Avibras. Population is at least three times that of Argentina, foreign trade five times greater. Most importantly: Brazil is waging frontal war on narcotraffic domination of poor neighborhoods in major cities. This is a necessary war yet to be begun in other SA nations. The Brazilian man in the street is more interested in the internal progress of the country, but is beginning to like the concept of BRICSA. Do you know the “stupid” jokes in the UK about the Irish, in the US about the Polish, or in Argentina about the natives of Galicia? In Brazil such jokes are about the Portuguese or the Argentines. How is Brazil regarded by smaller SA countries? Still as more of a friend, albeit often untruthful, than as a bully. Hope this helps.
94 brit abroad (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 06:43 am Report abuse
i recently read that RG's have increased their military expenditure, however only by a fraction, and that is a fraction of a very small fraction of their GDP.
95 cLOHO (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 06:56 am Report abuse
Only the RG Trolls could claim a victory on this on. Reichmistress throws her toys out of pram and goes home. No statement, US declares neutrality and thats a majority of countries supporting you. So why no statement then. Answer nobody give a flying ..... If massive support why no statement ????
96 TipsyThink (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 08:04 am Report abuse
All of these comments are from The British[English] Think-ing Style.
97 J.A. Roberts (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 08:29 am Report abuse
Is see Troneas, Marcos and co are at a loss for words... very amusing. So much for all the “support” Argentina has for her so called “Malvinas” claim...
98 ElaineB (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 08:37 am Report abuse
CFKC's complaints were overheard by journalists from different publications/agencies and they reported how angry she was. Do you think they were all inventing this story?

Remember there was a lot of 'demanding' and 'insisting' from Argentina that their little crusade to colonise The Falklands would be discussed and a statement would be made at the summit. It did not happen and Argentina looks foolish again.

Timmerman likes to tell everyone how much support Argentina has for its illegal claim but the reality is that most 'supporters' will only go so far as to say they support a peaceful solution. That's all.
99 TipsyThink (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 08:44 am Report abuse
The conflict began the deception that The British still had the military equipment ,prowess and most crucially national will.Many believe Brits don't have that now without any aircraft carriers.But the Brits didn't actually then either.The Task Force triumphed not on its own..but aided by US logistic and intelligence supports.These Islands as in 1940 heralded the mirage of Britain alone and magnificient.
100 BritishLion (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 08:49 am Report abuse
Long list of comments here, almost all of which point out the clear lack of support during the summit for KFC's lust for the Falkland Islands. She has worked hard grooming her neighbours only to discover that she and her deluded brain washed Nation is the joker in the pack. Go home KFC and try to address the lies that have bent and twisted the truth and finally put the Falkland Islands dispute to bed with an apologie to the Falkland Islanders, the British Forces, her own Forces and her own people for the lies, hurt and deaths of so many people.
101 TipsyThink (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 08:59 am Report abuse
-- Chuchillism -- was about accepting the British declinism while pretending otherwise,invoking the illusion of grandeur ,while accepting the reality.The 1982 war aided the invention of a new myth of late -- Churchillism--,of believing that decline has been defeated and that Britain had a magical unique place in the dream ,aided by the legacy of Empire, skills of their armed forces and relationship with US.
102 J.A. Roberts (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 09:12 am Report abuse
No TipsyThink, the conflict began when Juan Peron saw a chance and invented a claim in the late 1940s... The UK does not need aircraft carriers to defend the Falkland Islands - only to retake them if Argentina is stupid enough to invade again, and that is about as likely as pigs flying in July.

So what if the UK had US help? The US is an ally. It's goes without saying that they will help us and we will help them. Argentina had Peruvian help and we don't complain about that...
103 TipsyThink (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 09:21 am Report abuse
This truly is the London and its foreign adventure built.A land of illusions and make belief which has invented a rather myopic and ultimately dangerous sense of who --we--are meant to be and they see themselves....

Britain still in its spirits,and its institutions and elites,,IS NOT A MODERN COUNTRY and they need to remember that. !

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Thanks for listening.
104 Conqueror (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 09:31 am Report abuse
@22 No doubt “UNSAUR” will go the same way as “dinosaur”!
@23 Sorry? When did the US claim the Islands?
@25 Well, it isn't the Black Widow! Doesn't she look like a slag?
@27 Two countries with intelligence and how many without? Latin/South America always strikes me as akin to a pack of hyenas!
@34 Yep, the New World. Exactly what they called it in the 15th century. And it hasn't progressed yet!
@42 When the sun goes nova. Now exhale!
@48 Argieland could turn into a big crater.
@56 What? Do you belong to a “nation” of 40+ million war criminals and genocides as well?
@66 I expect it'll be a couple of days before your Hoary (Whorey) Hag gets up the courage to tell the world why she got the knickers she doesn't wear in a twist.
@72 What makes you believe you can “think”?
@78 Always good to meet a “proud” murdering genocide. So you won't mind when we annihilate you, will you?
@80 Congratulations! You are in the running for the “World's Greatest Feckwit”!
@83 More congratulations! If you didn't kill them, you raped them. Please define the percentage of “mestizos” originating from a native South American father and a Spanish mother.
@85 But you aren't “a people”. You are just a bunch of colonists from a huge number of origins.
105 Xect (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 09:35 am Report abuse
We aren't listening Think, we are amusing ourselves with your diatribe.

The British have the most advanced military in the world these days and are still the 3rd biggest military spending nation in the world.

Argentina's military is a complete joke compared to that of the UK but hopefully that doesn't matter because I'd rather not see a war and as crazy as CFK is, I don't think she would even dare to attack the British because it would result in total annihilation of the Argentine forces once more.

Anyway back to the subject in hand, what is your take on recent events.
106 ElaineB (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 10:20 am Report abuse
If it is true - and I am inclined to believe Santos - CFKC was shocked when The Falklands were not mentioned in the opening statement. She whispered in his ear that he had 'forgotten' about the Falklands. This is an interesting piece of evidence that CFKC is kept in a bubble of misinformation by her advisors. We all knew that the Colombians were not going to make this an issue and that the declaration would not include The Falklands; so why didn't the President of Argentina know in advance? Timmerman should be sacked on that issue alone because he humiliated her and his country.

Another interesting snippet from the Colomobian President was that CFKC said she had to leave early because she had a number of problems in Argentina. Possible the truest statement she has ever made. She has a number of BIG problems in Argentina.
107 GreekYoghurt (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 11:11 am Report abuse
@106 As the late Roy Castle would say:

that's what you need,
If you wanna wear a black dress,
and be ignored by all the best,
Hrrrummmm.... Humiliation's what you need.
*trumpet solo whilst tap dancing*

I cannot say it any better myself, about either the nonsense out of timmerman's mouth or KFC's prescription-drug fuelled MASSIVE RAGE QUIT.
108 toooldtodieyoung (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 11:16 am Report abuse
Wa!! Wa!!! Wa!!!

why won't anyone listen to me when I say that they are my islands and I don't anyone to play with them but me!!!

Wa!! Wa!!! Wa!!!

Didn't anyone hear me? I said they are my islands!!!

That's it!!! I'm telling!! I'm telling and then I'm going home to sulk!!

Should we be getting KFC her dummy and bedtime story?
109 Chicureo (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 11:16 am Report abuse
“tiene una serie de problemas” en su país…” Elaine, I agree, so true, but it's everyone else's fault. (I hope Timmerman does not get sacked so he can provide even more future entertainment.)
Was I the only one that watched national Argentine news uneasy reporting of the cumbre last night? What about reading the Argentine domestic press this morning? Cristina “…esta mañana obedeció a un enojo por la falta de apoyo para que la fallida declaración final de la Cumbre incluyera el reclamo argentino por Malvinas, el presidente de Colombia, Juan Manuel Santos, reveló que su colega argentina, le reprochó ayer: “¡Te olvidaste de Malvinas!...” (In other words, Argentines know that she was really p*ssed and let Santos know it.) This gives her more support to side with Chavez against those Colombian bastardos.

The domestic # 89 Uruguay really needs to attend these type of summits and wake up to reality. No one can even hint however that President Mujica spends money unneedlessly considering he donates 87% of his state salary to charitable causes and still lists his only asset as an old Volkswagen Beetle. (The austere little farm he resides is owned by his wife.)

My proposal for Argentina to invade Uruguay was not serious, and I assume the entire United Nations would come down upon Argentina with crippling sanctions. Uruguay has committed a significant number of their defense forces to support peacekeeping efforts in the Congo and Haiti. (By the way, although their defense forces are quite small, they are well organized, with well maintained modest armaments and have excellent morale.) I believe even Venezuela would strongly condemn CFK. Perhaps in the next Presidential elections, you’ll see a move by Uruguay to distance them selves from Argentina and expand with other trade partners. The Falklands would make a perfect fit.
110 GreekYoghurt (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 11:23 am Report abuse
111 ElaineB (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 11:34 am Report abuse
@109 I read the local newspapers online but I did not see the TV coverage in Argentina as I am in the UK at the moment. (I shall be back in South America next month). I am interested to hear what you thought of it.

CFKC should be holding her advisors to account today for telling her a pack of lies before the summit and leaving her looking utterly stupid. Or maybe they are not really looking after her interests at all. Maybe they are tired of her irrational and eratic behaviour.
112 ChrisR (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 11:42 am Report abuse
The trouble with this woman is that she is so mentally unstable that no-one knows what she will do next: invade Chile; Uruguay; the Falklands (there are no Malvinas).

She has another problem however. The military are incapable of invading another country, but the 100,000 that are there could take all the government offices in BA and then shoot the entire useless government. THAT would be a good start.
113 Chicureo (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 11:58 am Report abuse
Elaine: They were uncomfortable and tried to dance to Timmerman's spin on the success of the summit. Frankly, some of the terse commentary reminded me of the North Korean press announcement that the missile launch did not go as planned. In all fairness to the Argentinean advisors, CFK does not accept critical analysis by anyone that contradicts her own. (Politically, economically or in diplomacy.)

There is an old story about Argentina gathering the top world advisors together to study how to solve the economic problems of Argentina. After several months of careful evaluations, the consensus was that there were only two:
A practical solution and a miraculous one. The practical solution was for the Virgin Maria herself to descend from the heavens and bestow the Argentine people a trillion dollars in cash. The miraculous solution would be for the Argentines to be thankful for the riches they already have, work harder and expect less from their government… Truthfully, it’s a magnificent country that Chileans admire. They have practically everything, except good government.
114 toooldtodieyoung (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:00 pm Report abuse
112 ChrisR

Oh we can but hope. Maybe they would take a leaf out of Thailand's book and throw all the Politicians in jail for a while, until they learn to behave themselves........
115 Tobers (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:05 pm Report abuse

-The miraculous solution would be for the Argentines to be thankful for the riches they already have, work harder and expect less from their government… Truthfully, it’s a magnificent country that Chileans admire. They have practically everything, except good government-

116 Musky (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
The American countries have spoken. There is no support for Argentina and its juvenile claim on the Falklands. The Argentine government has successfully brainwashed a good portion of its citizens but couldn't export the mindset to its neighbours. Time for Argentina to focus on what is important: good governance, health, wealth and the environment, and not the stupidly inaccurate account of its history or the nasty pouring of venom on distant neighbours like the Falklands or indeed the UK.
117 GALlamosa (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
Good news that the Americas collectively have told CFK to stop badgering them about their rediculous one issue foreign policy on the Falklands. There was no statement on the Falklands not only becuase US and Canada would not support it, but because many other countries do not wish this summit about mutually important issues to be hijacked by CFK's personal cursade. There was nothing from the Carribbean countries because they didn't need to say anything - just politely decline to be dragged in to CFK's obsession.

Time for some better advice to el Presidente on how to get on with her neighbours instead of trying to bully them into submission. Time for the more forward thinking real supporters of peace to be heard without being branded traitors.

What about a sovereignty there's an idea that might work......
118 Benson (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
@83 “In most of Latin America, there are indians everywhere, or at the very least mestizos.” And how many of them are left in Argentina?
Tell you what Tobias I'll do you a deal, both Argentina and the Falklands give the land back to their indigenous populations.
If all life began in Africa then the rest of the world was populated by migration, the Falkland Islands was just a bit late getting populated so you could say that Falkland Islanders are the indigenous population.
119 vix (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
ok, whatever.. but Las Malvinas son argentinas. Give time to time and you will see.. and you, islanders, will be free to stay, because you are also argentinians and these is also your country..
120 ElaineB (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
@113 Thanks! As one would expect.

I agree there is much to like about Argentina - I have travelled extensively there - and the Argentines have been let down by successive governments. I would go further and say the systemic corruption and poor work ethic is more of a cultural impediment to the country's growth and success. If they stopped the indoctrination started by Juan Peron (it belongs in the past) and taught the value of the social contract and responsibility, they may once again be a great nation.

I have a lot of good friends there and have a great affection for the place but I wouldn't live there and prefer Chile as a base in South America.
121 LEPRecon (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 01:45 pm Report abuse
@119 - Vix. The Falkland Islanders are not Argentinian, nor do they want to be. Which part of that can't you understand?

Argentina has no legal or moral right to the Falkland Islands. Everyone but you brainwashed nutters know that.

Until the people of the Falklands wish it, no talks with ANYONE, let alone Argentina will take place.

The Falklanders have already stated that they are willing to have a UN run referendum on the Falklands, yet Argentina has kept quiet.

Why? Because you know that the Islanders would vote over whelmingly against transferring sovereignty to Argentina. This would then mean you can't hide behind your self-delusions regarding the Islands.

Argtenina should stop looking at the past, and start looking to the future. A future which looks alarmingly dire, economically, as your leadership fudge numbers and out right lie to you, their citizens.

They have badly mismanaged your resources, impose illegal import tarriffs, refuse to payback monies that they owe and now they have humiliated YOU on the world stage.

Argentina has SERIOUS problems and it's going to take some serious hard work to get them sorted out. However, this current bunch of muppets that you have in power either aren't willing or aren't able to cope. You economy is close to collapse, and when it does what then?

Yes, you'll do the typical Argentinian thing and BLAME the British, the Falkland Islanders and everyone else in the world, as your are too conceited to accept any responsibility for yourselves. Pathetic.
122 Musky (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
@119 vix
I presume you must be also a fully paid up member of the 'flat earth society' to continue to believe that, together with believing in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Golden Pot at the end of the Rainbow.
Live your life and let the Falkland Islanders live theirs!
123 Xect (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
Oh I don't know Vix is fun. It's just a matter of time they say, which is no different than they've been saying for about 150 years.....

They don't have the legal right, the moral right, the political power or military power to make anything change.

Let them live in hope if it helps them get through the days.
124 TipsyThink (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
( 105 )

keep going your all brine comments. !


That initial feeling you had all those years ago has been born out by the tragedy of Britain over the last three decades.It has been a golden era of rhetoric of triumphalism about -- the British economic miracle -- and of hectoring and lecturing Europe about its supposedly out of date --social order--.

It also made more problematic any sense of progressive patrotism ,embracing of militaristic and nationalistic ideas. Thirty years on Brits are no further forward in cold war on terror, a counter set of stories to those which have proven so persuasive and entrapping.

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Thanks for you respect.
125 Be serious (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
Timerman is an OK bloke and is doing a great job. Brits and Falkland Islanders alike should be eternally grateful to this chap.
When Turkey Neck fires him he can come to Britain and run Ken Livingstone's bid to become London Mayor.
126 TipsyThink (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
These strange islands told us an island story ?
Drake,Raleigh,Trafalgar ??...mostly but not exclusively English !

127 ElaineB (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:31 pm Report abuse

“President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner has summoned officials, political leaders, unionists and businessmen for a sudden meeting at the Government House during which the Head of State is said to deliver a big announcement in a televised speech at 12pm”.

What nonsense this time?
128 LEPRecon (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
@126 - Whatever you're drinking it's addling your brains, either that or you just aren't drinking enough of it!

Your post, like many of your posts, makes no sense.
129 TipsyThink (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
( 128 )

Tequila with fruit cocktail and chocolate !
130 LEPRecon (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
@129 - My advice - less fruit and more Tequila! ;-)
131 TipsyThink (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
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but my favorite is just --Tequila with Chocolate enough.
if you prefer cheaper drink i advice to you-- coffee liqueur.
132 LEPRecon (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
@ 131 - personally I prefer Napoleons ruin - only for medicinal purposes of course. ;-)
133 TipsyThink (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
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then ,i advice to you -- white wine mixed with gin -- excellent !
134 shb (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
@tipsythink. No matter what problems the UK has with its' economy, we are'nt as bad off as some folks are in the EU. Spain is looking like it may melt down next, whereas it looks like we just managed to dodge another recession.

As for respect - they are led by a complete pratt.

Lastly - I am glad CFK has goy very little for her grandstanding. She should go and do something more constructive - like try to fix the mess Argentina is in.
135 reality check (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
Caption for CFK photograph above, “No autographs, please.”
136 Boovis (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
“CFK sends to Congress draft bill to expropiate Repsol-YPF

President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner presented a draft bill to expropiate and nationalize Repsol-YPF oil and gas company at the Government House during a sudden meeting with officials, political leaders, unionists and businessmen.
The draft bill contemplates the expropiation of Argentina's biggest company, with the Argentine State holding 51 percent stake of the 57 percent that Spanish Repsol holds since 1999, while Argentina's 23 provinces plus the Buenos Aires City will hold the remaining 49 percent stake in the company.
Fernández de Kirchner stated that the decision of presenting the draft bill -that if passed will become law number 21,499- came after “witnessing how 17 years after the privatization of YPF, Argentina became for the first time net importers of oil and gas with a total deficit of over 3 billion dollars. Moreover, in 2011 the oil and gas imports showed a year-on-year increase of 150 percent having spent over 9 billion dollars which was almost as much as that year’s trade surplus.” Shares fell around 18% on the news, apparently.
137 vix (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 04:51 pm Report abuse
Fernet Branca & Coca Cola
138 LEPRecon (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
@136 - Hmm, CFK doesn't get her way in the OAS summit, so now she responds like a spoiled child, basically if people won't play her game then she'll keep all of the toys to herself.

Share prices plummeted did they? Yet another inspired financial move by the Queen of the Damned.

I wonder if Spain will have the balls to follow through on their threats about getting the EU to impose sanctions? Time will tell I suppose.
139 Xect (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 05:36 pm Report abuse
This is going to be highly entertaining.

It's like the most epic train crash in slow motion, you really couldn't make this up.

I only hope the long last results will not affect the Argentine people too much, its always the innocent that get caught in the cross-fire.
140 reality check (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
LEPRecon. Interesting posts on the Gurkhas. Please have a look.
141 fermin (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
This summit shows that there are two different Americas: Canada and the USA on one side and all the other countries on the other side.

Can we really say that CFK abandoned the summit??? LOL she only left 1 hour early to come back to Argentina and get together with members of the government to prepare the announcement made this monday about taking over part of YPF.

The summit was good for Argentina, even Jamaica, an english speaking country member of the Commonwealth supported the argentine claim over Malvinas.

Plus, Obama asked to meet her to say the relationship with Argentina is ok, even if there are little differences. Who wants to make Argentina angry when it is the 2nd country member of the G-20 that increased the most the imported goods? Even if we are implementing a bit of protectionism we are buying a lot of stuff to developed countries, stuff that countries like Greece, Italy, Spain, etc are not buying anymore...

There may not be any other Summit of the Americas, the US and Canada do not want to change things to solve the Cuba problem, do not want to change the policies on the drugs traffic problem, do not want to talk about defense from colonial powers like the UK...

Americans even made a huge scandal with colombian prostitutes... this was the big news on CNN, that mentioned nothing about Cuba or any other problem. Media corporations distracting americans... I think I've seen it before.
142 Xect (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
Fermin show me one official document that shows complete support, I will give you a clue there isn't one.

The support didn't get past the US and Canada who immediately veto'd it so nobody else was required to act.

As for little differences, you mean the USA putting Argentina on it's Sh1t list that is incredibly hard to get on by removing trade bonus's. The US is also vetoing Argentina loans at the WCB and just last week lead an official complaint via WTO.

And to top it all the US has also offered Spain support if the the YPF deal goes ahead.

If those aren't huge differences then I don't know what are.
143 reality check (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
You know, I know and everone else reading theses posts knows, that if she got the support she has wanted, she would have been straight in front of the cameras at a press conference and not leaving the summit 1 hour early. That my friend is the truth.
144 Xect (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
The fact her comments were heard by many different journalists from different newspapers says it all.

She failed in her mission to get support against the UK spectacularly in the same way she was going to have all of the SA heads of state in Argentina for the anniversary and not one turned up.

Or how about Timmerman at the UN who didn't get a single vote of support for his speech and the UN didn't even follow standard procedure and write up the speech or even respond to it.

This support Argentine keeps banging on about clearly does not exist.
145 Tobers (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 06:22 pm Report abuse

How do you know? Perhaps they had planned to wait longer with YPF and see what happened.

To ake this move on YPF so soon after the summit is a great way to distract Argentines from the failure to secure unanimous support for her obsession.

What you talkin bout Willis?! CNN is often talking about -the war- on drugs or the US relationship with Cuba.

A BIT of protectionism?! You should try living in the UK. We can buy a far greater variety of goods and the import tax is usually 20%. Not 50% like in Argentina. I also wonder where all the 50% goes....Argentina is -you scratch my back .. and I wont scratch yours-

You Malvinistas/nationalists/pro CFk ers have taken a long time to respond to this story as you have desperately tried to find another angle to spin.

The story is actually very simple. She expected to really advance on the LAs Malvinas cause but really noone else at the summit gives a shit. Theres nominal support from -the brothers- but at end of the day its Argentina-s obsession.. not theirs.
146 The Cestrian (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
”Ms Fernández was unimpressed by Spain’s objections. “This president is not going to answer any threat, is not going to respond to any sharp remark, is not going to echo the disrespectful or insolent things said,” she said as she announced the proposed law. “I am a head of state and not a hoodlum.”

I literally don't know where to start with this statement! Absolutely incredible. Hypocrisy of the highest order.
147 Brit Bob (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
Yes as the sane people already know, no-one gives a damn about Argentina's spurious claims to the 'South Atlantic' the South American leaders just go through the motions and whisper quiet words of support just to give solace to the crying child. Whimper...

It also shows just how much a tin pot leader CFM is for not using the summit to discuss other 'real' issues.
148 Pugol-H (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 06:56 pm Report abuse
So no consensus of support from even the American states, never mind the “worlds support for Argentina on this regional issue”

We have clearly seen the “high water mark” for this Argy diplomatic offensive, and with the rest of the world now looking to settle their own disputes with Argentina, the “Malvins” issue is now perforce dead for another generation or so.
149 GreekYoghurt (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
@146 You could start with the glaring contradiction between what she believes a head of state should be, and what she actually is.
150 reality check (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Seems like she is quite willing to hand it out but not so happy to receive the same. I suppose the next thing the Spanish do is to write letters, threatening legal action. Damn, she would have a fit.
151 Doveoverdover (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
@146 How much more believable she might be if she had a Prime Minister as Head of Government or, if she preferred that role, to have a Head of State who was not the Head of Government. One can see by the way that she keeps convening all-party meetings to announce partisan political decisions that she either has no clear understanding of the difference or lacks the political maturity to adapt to the model.
152 Stefan (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
I would like to make it clear that user Vietnam, is actually Marcos under a different name. It's very obvious.

@141 - Another Malvinista turns up! KFC ran home crying with Morales hot on her heels. How pathetic. She is angry that soon, Chavez won't be around to fill her up! haha
153 The Cestrian (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
I see that the person who will oversee the financial affairs of the newly stolen company is a member of La Campora.

Also its unlikely that this will be the last company to be stolen by the RG Govt:
154 reality check (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
I would think that at this particular time, there are numerous foreign investors looking at their options, it's likely that some will get out while the goings good.
155 GreekYoghurt (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
@153 I see tracksuit-boy is second in the list of folks in control of lacampora-YPF, presumably wearing his tracksuit.

If I recall KFC and Nestor headed the campaign to have YPF privatised and make a bucket full of money hidden in Swiss bank accounts from that. Curious to see 'them' now nationalise it.
156 LEPRecon (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
@155 -GY, but you know that the only policy that matters to CFK is the one she's just made up.

And if she does nationalise YPF, how long before it becomes another useless albatross around the necks of the Argentinian people?

Not that CFK will mind, she'll have all the millions she has stolen to comfort her while her people starve.
157 Steve-32-uk (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
158 LEPRecon (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
@157 - Steve-32-uk.

You've done it now. All the Malvinista's will be logging onto this site pretending to be 'Chuck' from Seattle and 'Brad' from Atlanta, declaring how the US of A is behind the Argentinians 100% on this issue. LOL.
159 briton (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
All it was, was a headache,
End of,
All finished, finite ,
160 Tobers (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
She - is - a - dic -ta -tor.

Jesus Argentines wake up and take responsibilty! Shes a wrongun.
161 LEPRecon (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
@160 - Tobers.

There are none so blind as those who WILL not see.
162 Xect (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
Yikes, reading the Spanish press they are in a frenzy (rather understandably) demanding the most aggressive and forceful response possible and also demanding Spain invokes the power of the EU against Argentina.

Well Spain has every right to react in a very forceful manner over this.
163 briton (#) Apr 16th, 2012 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
but first she must prove perhaps, that she can send her own navy, as a first warning,
just a sailing thought .
164 Ozgood (#) Apr 17th, 2012 - 04:05 am Report abuse
CFK threw a tantrum because she could not get her own way. That's it!

Argentina will always choose the wrong government - See Vargas Llosa's SI LLORO POR TI ARGENTINA. It explains a lot.
165 BritishLion (#) Apr 17th, 2012 - 06:57 am Report abuse
The Islands argument has struck home far more than the Argentine argument. The dignity of this small population that has been bullied and threatened by its big neighbour for decades has shown the South Americas and the rest of the world that to cosey up with the Argentinean argument would be a terrible mistake. They no longer want anything to do with the Botox Queen, she has become a thorn in their side and is so plainly self deluded that they sighed relief when she spat her dummy out and went home early from the summit where she imagined she would be the star of the show. Instead, she was a flop and was shown that she has failed and her game plan exposed as nothing more than the pathetic hurtful spite of a woman used to getting her own way. Bye bye CFK has left the building, now lets talk business.
166 Beef (#) Apr 17th, 2012 - 07:32 am Report abuse
To the person who called me arrogant. Yes I am, but at least I can back it up :-)
167 Benson (#) Apr 17th, 2012 - 11:58 am Report abuse
I like CFK. If Menem had stayed in power the rest of the world may have thought the Falklands unreasonable in not agreeing to Argentine soverignty, if his charm offensive had been kept up for a generation things may have gone differently. As they say you catch more flies with honey.
168 briton (#) Apr 17th, 2012 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
She left crying, she was very very upset,
She could not , did not, get her own way,
And yet again she has failed in her attempt to defeat the dreaded British,
Instead she is resigned to stay within the losers camp.
169 PirateLove (#) Apr 17th, 2012 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
AaaaaHaaaaHaaaaa Hahahahaaaaa “This is pointless” Hahahahaaaa ahahahahaaa “spat her dummy out” ahahahahhaha hhahahhaaaaa “lack of support” hahahahah heheheheheeee “why did i even bother coming” HAHAHAHAHAAAAAaaaaaaa, :D :D :D :D :D
How humiliating for Argenvinas, Pirates Rule!!!
very enjoyable whats next? Latin American sheep shearing committee?

Thank you America and Canada.
170 Pugol-H (#) Apr 17th, 2012 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
Probably some Caribbean countries to thank as well.
171 LEPRecon (#) Apr 17th, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
Don't cry to us, Argentina.
The truth is we never liked you.
All through your madness,
And your corruption,
You don't keep your promises,
Just keep your distance.
(to the tune of don't cry for me Argentina by ALW).
172 ynsere (#) Apr 17th, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
Why are you all making fun of the poor woman? She gave her all, with nothing to show for it except for a few million in the bank. (Not an Argentine bank). No wonder she's practically in tears. Incredible as it may seem, a military government would probably be a LOT worse, unless the current generation of senior Argentine officers has completely changed with regard to their predecessors.
Is it worthwhile trying to do business with Argentina? Ask the Spanish.
173 Glen1976 (#) Apr 17th, 2012 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
She looks well pissed, so much for all that unconditional support. Only the desopts are speaking out in support now, how EMBARRASSING :-((
Oh well, off home to scare off any foreign investment, tell the people the summit went really well then DEFAULT!!! Kerplunk!

HAAAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA!!!!! Classic! Made my day reading about KFC's implosion :-)
174 simi (#) Apr 19th, 2012 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
In December 2011 at the CELAC Meeting in Carcass, two important communiqués were among the 22 documents signed, one on the need to put an end to the economic, commercial and financial blockade of the United States against Cuba, and another on the recognition of Argentina’s right over the Malvinas. Member States agreed to move forward in solidarity and with one voice over these issues. Four months after this unanimous declaration it was challenged and tested at the Sixth Summit of the Americas. Apart from other issues two that featured prominently which required full support from CELAC were the Malvinas and Cuba issues. It seemed the house fell apart; Argentina could not get the overwhelming support it had in Caracas as the result, President Cristina Fernandez felt betrayed and all alone since CELAC could not speak with one voice. What happened? Is this a sign of the things to come? An excuse that CELAC is just a new organization with teething problem is not a lame one. After all the issues are not. Where is the region´s claim of solidarity? Who knows it might only be a rhetoric!
175 marc (#) Apr 21st, 2012 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
Well Argentina because of its recent import restrictions has pissed off most of its “allies” with the exception of Brazil and Venezuela but the other countries like Uruguay Paraguay Bolivia etc have seen their exports drop by as much as 30% so its no surprise that they grow tiered of Argentina's constant rhetoric.

And now thanks to the YPF situation they have lost their only ally in Europe who supported them in the Falklands dispute, Spain. The USA is not on best terms either and needless to say the UK is not on the friendly list either.

So in a matter of a few months Argentina has managed to turn most of its supporters away from their cause, the “Malvinas Cause” which last year was strong for Argentina is not dwindling away, like the Argentine economy will within the next few years.

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