Tuesday, May 1st 2012 - 00:37 UTC

Argentina looking to absorb the million tons of bio-diesel Spain no longer will import

Almost a million tons of bio-diesel which was exported to Spain will now have to be absorbed by Argentina’s domestic market following on Madrid’s decision to cut all imports because of the seizure of oil corporation YPF from Repsol by the administration of President Cristina Fernandez.

Bio-fuels Chamber, Fernando Pelaez, a “very volatile commodity”

Spain was Argentina’s main bio-diesel client having imported 995.599 tons in 2011 equivalent to 1.2 billion dollars, which is almost half the total revenue for the item, 2.3 billion.

“Loosing overnight your main client is a problem, but hopefully there will be alternatives that could make the issue less painful”, said an industry source.

Agriculture consultant Gustavo Lopez said that the immediate options are domestic consumption or exporting to other countries. “Since Spain will have to buy bio-diesel in other markets, probably France or Germany, Argentine exports could then be addressed to those markets” speculates Lopez.

However the president of the Bio-fuels Chamber, Fernando Pelaez revealed that the sector was preparing for such an event since Spain had threatened on previous occasions to cut bio-diesel imports. “Looking for potential customers overseas is an idea but the strongest option is to elevate the domestic gas-oil content from 7% to 10%”.

Pelaez estimates that a 10% bio-diesel content could see cars absorb 380.000 tons; buses, trucks and farm machinery another 400.000 tons and thermal electricity generating units, 300.000 tons.

Argentina is the world’s fourth producer of bio-diesel and the main world exporter, which is also crucial for the soybean industry which has an annual turnover of 20.7 billion dollars, made up of 3.3 billion dollars in beans; 11 billion in soy flour; 4.2 in soy oil and bio-fuels, 2.3 billion dollars. Last year Argentina exported 1.9 million tons of bio-diesel.

Likewise capturing new markets is not easy, because Argentina could also face a solidarity gesture from the European Union with Spain and the EU absorbs 82% of Argentina’s bio-diesel production. “Bio-diesel is more expensive than oil and only countries with an environmental commitment are interested in the product”.

Furthermore the US, the world’s main consumer demands strict environment certification such as that the soybeans were not planted in de-forested areas nor slave or infant labour is involved. “We are working on those protocols”, said the president of the bio-diesel chamber.

Another option is turning all that soybeans into cooking oil but that industry is strongly established with several global corporations in the business, points out Pelaez.

“Currently at 1.300 dollars the ton, the bio-diesel business is attractive, and on occasions it soared to 1.800 but also to 500 dollars” added Pelaez who indicated that at least 20 plants, each demanding an investment in the range of 80 to 100 million dollars are involved in the industry in spit of the “volatility”.

Finally leaving aside Spain, the industry is facing more challenges: customers are demanding a far more refined bio-diesel with less impurities which increases costs by at least 30 dollars a ton, “which erodes profits”.

Meantime from Spain the government of President Mariano Rajoy has toned down its attacks on Argentina because of the seizure of YPF and states that there is no intention of “implementing reprisals”.

“The economic interests of Spain in Argentina are not limited to Repsol and the strategic relation between both countries go beyond the misunderstandings between the two governments”, said Industry, Energy and Tourism minister Jose Manuel Soria, one of the most combative officials from the Rajoy government.
 

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1 The Cestrian (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:37 am Report abuse
And so the worm turns.

LOL.
2 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:25 am Report abuse
Not a chance in the world Argentina will face a solidarity gesture from rest of Europe, they simply don't understand the meaning of “solidarity”, it's every man on his own in the “1st world” :)
3 LEPRecon (#) May 01st, 2012 - 07:08 am Report abuse
@2 - Why would Europe do that, considering that Argentina owes many countries in the EU money.

The other EU countries can source bio-fuels from elsewhere in South American and Africa, and these countries will put their own needs before Argentina, 'cos after all what has Argentina ever done for them except impose unfair trade restrictions and attempt to bully and pressurise them.

But as the article says, the fuel could be processed as cooking oil, no doubt Maximo would buy lots of it to cook his burgers in.

Either way, the sort-sightedness of Argentina's illegal seizure of YPF will have economic repercussions that will affect the ordinary Argentinians, not that CFK and her government give a damn about them.
4 GreekYoghurt (#) May 01st, 2012 - 07:47 am Report abuse
@3 Maximo could hydrogenate it, and then use the margarine to make his cream buns. That would take up some of the 300'000'000 tons.

Why are they looking to other markets that don't want to get shafted by Argentina like Germany and France, who don't want to get shafted by Argentina. Do they not get the point that no one wants to get shafted by Argentina, and the risk of getting shafted by Argentina makes your oil worth less.
5 Idlehands (#) May 01st, 2012 - 08:25 am Report abuse
Isn't the point that the bio fuel earned Argentina a premium price and in a foreign currency? Selling it domestically would simply fail unless it is sold at the same price controlled level as other fuels - which I would imagine would make it commercially unviable.
6 Xect (#) May 01st, 2012 - 08:38 am Report abuse
It's an interesting dilemma for Argentina.

I'm sure they must be able to sell it somewhere else and make money rather than selling it for bargain basement prices internally?
7 Rufus (#) May 01st, 2012 - 09:27 am Report abuse
@2 Guzz

Possibly not a solidarity gesture, more likely a demonstration of having learnt by other peoples (in this case Spain's) mistakes.

As flaky and prone to nationalizing other people's stuff as Argentina is would you plan your national energy and transportation systems around it?

Besides, solidarity has become when left-wing semidictators back each other, if France and Germany adopt the ten-foot-pole approach to Argentine bio-diesel then it'll be a European neo-colonialist conspiracy instead (at least in the Argentine press).
8 GreekYoghurt (#) May 01st, 2012 - 10:04 am Report abuse
@7 I cannot see any european country buying it unless it's brutally cheap. And when I say brutal.. i mean brutal.
9 Idlehands (#) May 01st, 2012 - 10:17 am Report abuse
Money follows the best price - somebody will buy it regardless of the politics.

The price wil be anyones guess.
10 LEPRecon (#) May 01st, 2012 - 10:34 am Report abuse
Well China will probably buy it, but since they're wiley inscrutable people, the price will be at practically next to nothing.

CFK and her cronies have neatly backed Argentina into a corner, cutting off lifelines to their former allies and to the international community. They have made themselves look pathetic to international bodies, such as the UN and the OAS. Oh yes, a masterstroke by CFK.

Argentina is desperate, and is trying to firmly plant their flag on Chinese hopes. However, China doesn't need Argentina as much as Argentina needs them, so China will be able to dictate terms to them, not just about bio-fuels, but about oil and gas, and any other product that Argentina will want to try and export.

All China had to do was throw CFK a bone by saying, 'China supports your claims to the Falklands,' and she was all over them, licking their boots. Argentina take note, China will, like some other countries have done, verbally support you, but when it comes to putting their money where their mouth is, you'll get nothing.
11 mendoc (#) May 01st, 2012 - 11:20 am Report abuse
KFC. What childish braindead politics you play. If you want to play rough then your going to take quite beating in return for the idiotic choices. When will the people of Argentina wake up and give her the boot?
12 toooldtodieyoung (#) May 01st, 2012 - 11:37 am Report abuse
11 mendoc

Amen, Hopefully the people will wise up sooner rather than later, while there still is an Argentina left to fight for.
13 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2012 - 11:53 am Report abuse
Funny I though Argentina didn't need the EU or USA they had China and India to buy everything.

Argentina will end up using this themselves and losing the much needed U$.

BTW a home made bomb went off in front of the EU HQ in Recoleta.

Anyone else see similarities to 1930s Germany?.
14 Chicureo (#) May 01st, 2012 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
#4 I believe has the most practical solution.
#9 “Money follows the best price - somebody will buy it regardless of the politics.”
Only in a logical, rational and sane world. Argentine political leaders will be drawn to trade the biodiesel where they can obtain the highest kickbacks in return. The problem with this product is that it has a very small market willing to pay a premium market price and those customers don't pay under the table. Cream puffs to the Argentine masses may therefore be the most practical answer.
15 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2012 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
It was reported yesterday that Ralph Lauren will exit Argentina. Along with many other foreign branded retail locations they can't get products so they are leaving.
RGs are very proud to have a US EU branded store available in BA, it makes them feel like they are as good as NYC, London, Paris. I wonder what they will feel when all they can get are RG brands? Since good fabrics are not made in Arg I wonder if they'll all start looking like people in Delhi everyone wearing 70/80 USA hand me downs.

How does this help unemployment or the economy again?
16 Chicureo (#) May 01st, 2012 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
#15 With all due respect. The question is NOT “How does this help unemployment or the economy again?”
The real objective is: How does this help fill the pockets of CFK's ruling mafia?
Does RL have a shop in Punta del Este?
17 Argentinaisfinishedjajajajajaja (#) May 01st, 2012 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
jajaja
18 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2012 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
18. No Uruguay is too small.

I heard Apple is leaving too...
19 Chicureo (#) May 01st, 2012 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
#18 You know, they come over to Chile to do their shopping. An Apple Ipad is about double what it is in Miami. An “illegal un-blocked” non-stolen Iphone originally bought with a contract sells for about $300-450. The Argentines are buying them in multiple numbers.
In Santiago, we have almost all the trendy brands and they're doing a boming business with Mercosur tourists. Saying that, it's still cheaper to take a vacation in Argentina, although certainly more expensive than years past.
20 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
Chucky is trendy :)
21 Usurping Pirate (#) May 01st, 2012 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
13 Yankeeboy : Similarities with 1930's Germany .
Mmmm , the Jewish cemetery in BA keeps getting vandalised.
Off duty police suspected .
Tomorrow , there will be an RG version of Kristallnacht when the drilling companies' deadline expires , for sure .
22 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
@ Yanqui
Is Apple leaving Uruguay??? That's.... GREAT news!!! Please tell me they are taking.... what's their name.... those making burgers out of rat-meat.... McDouglas, was it?
23 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
22.You are racking up a good paycheck this week at 1 peso a post!
Have you ever been to Uruguay? People from Avellaneda usually don't go there.
24 Marcos Alejandro (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
23 yankeeboy
Tell him why you go to Avellaneda Fred, did Casa Lopez move there?
25 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:14 pm Report abuse
Yanqui
Why don't you go home to your blessed land of opportunities, I can assure you no one wants you here :) Regarding the fact that you don't like us either, you being here makes no sense whatsoever.... Not that I would expect you to make sense...
26 Beef (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
I cannot wait until tomorrow. The Argies have promised to commence legal action against the FI oil expo companies. This is going to be hilarious ubless that is unless you are an Argie.
27 Chicureo (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
This just in:

Justicialist Party May Day Celebrated

Buenos Aires, May 1 (Buenos Aires Herald) -- The dear respected Maximo Fernández made a congratulatory speech at the Justicialist Party parade celebrating the brave workers of Argentina on the May Day holiday. His speech has enjoyed great public response as it was vibrant with superb intelligence and iron will and gives clear-cut answers to questions arising in building a thriving nation.

In particular, his statement that “Our party and the government of the Justicialist Party will join hands with anyone who sincerely wishes the reunification of the country and peace and prosperity of the nation, and make responsible and persevering efforts to realize the historic cause of national reunification with our brothers held captive in the Malvinas Islands” instills in the minds of all Argentinians the conviction of sure victory in national reunification with them.
Maximo Fernández was evidently making a reminder of the tireless work of his mother, Dear Leader, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, who has called for national unity before anything else and led all patriotic-minded Argentinians to the efforts for national reunification with the Islas Malvinas.
This statement also made people recall the bold and fearless leadership, of his father, the late Great Leader President Néstor Kirchner as well who declared that Argentina would join hands under the banner of great national unity with government authorities or ruling and opposition party officials, politicians and Argentine workers, if they value the common interests of the nation and want national reunification with the illegally held rightful territory of Argentina.
The idea of on great national unity and their lofty personalities and patriotism of Presidents Cristina Fernández and the great leader President Néstor Kirchner, have served as a source of strength enabling all Argentinians to turn out in the drive for national unity and reunification.
28 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
Buenos Aires, Cordoba, Entre Rios and Santa Fe, Mendoza, Neuquén, and Chubut , can no longer issue international debt below a 13% interest rate and have had to cancel their expected bond sales. This is due to the increased risk rate charged to Arg after the YPF expropriation.
Does anyone know how many Pataconoes you get for a Peso?
hahahha
29 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
@Chucky :)
So many words you can spell!!! I almost read them all :)
30 Marcos Alejandro (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
26 Beef Why wait until tomorow?
HMS Dauntless should return from Malvinas to protect Hague from further ambushes :-)))

GoGirlGo!

01 May 2012
“William Hague 'ambushed' by Argentina ambassador”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9237955/William-Hague-ambushed-by-Argentina-ambassador-over-Falkland-Islands.html
31 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:39 pm Report abuse
My apoligies to the brits in general, after reading several british papers I realize tha the common brit backs Argentina in her takeover. It's just you 15 retrogrados farting :) :) :)
32 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
30. How embarrassing for your country, not sure if you read all of the article but your Ambassador was ordered to sit down and shut up.
I bet she isn't going to be invited to any other events.
It will be just like here in the USA, blacklisted from State and White House.
33 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
George Galloway, what a piece of a man!!! There IS hope for britain :) :) :)
34 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
33. Guzz, Do they accept Patacones in Uruguay? Do they plan to next summer?
35 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
Don't know, don't care :) Iknow we accept yen (bought with someones dollars) :)
36 Beef (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
Marcos - yes that is a laugh as well. Your ambassador had to go and ask a question at a press conference because she is not important to have a discussion with our foreign secretary. That is a bit embarrasing for Argentina and meerly confirms all observers the insignificance of Argentina. Relagated to the cheap seats.

Gizz - Are pussy cat impressions a form of legal tender in Argentina now?
37 Marcos Alejandro (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
32 yankeeboy, Hey baldy, #30? avoiding my name? :-)))
Not really, Hague got his butt kicked today.
Crashing a state dinner at the White House is easy Fred..

www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/25/tareq-and-michaele-salahi_n_371336.html
38 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 05:58 pm Report abuse
Got a mate back in London, he says “Point them in the Direction of Voter turn out at the last Election and why then was it a”Hung Parliament“and the Right wing lost ground not gained any!” What's that all about? :)
39 Beef (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
Keep taking your place on the sidelines Marcos. That is where you belong. Oh and btw the Falkland Islands are still British and Argentina remains an also ran. Good luck buying your dollars on the black market ;-)
40 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:02 pm Report abuse
...says Beef from the audience....
41 Xect (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
I don't know I thought the girl from Argentina trying to crash the press conference was funny, it was just a shame for her she tried it against a highly sophisticated ambassador who made her look ridiculous and she ended up embarrassing Argentina.

Still 10 out of 10 for effort.
42 Marcos Alejandro (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
Guzz :-)))

Poor Mr Beef , he's a drowning man searching desperately for a life jacket.
Enjoy the double-dip recession Beef.
43 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
@Xect Don't worry, you embarras yourself with every post, we don't blaim Britain...
44 Beef (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
Nah Gizz. I payed my money for a place in the race. I have about 30,000 tickets with RKH stamped on them. My plan is to exchange them for at least 30,000 pieces of paper with the Queen's head and £10 written on each one. Perhaps you could buy few tickets yourself. Certainly a more stable investment than the Argie Peso.

Looking forward to the toothless Argie legal action. Will provide good entertainment while nature takes its course.
45 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
@Marcos
Hear that? someone in the crowd is saying something...
46 ElaineB (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
@45 Stop attention seeking and go and do your homework.
47 Marcos Alejandro (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
Guzz, Beef is an English oil gambler loosing money everyday, he can't afford to pay the petrol for his Tata car anymore.
Hey Beef, orders for Britain’s manufacturers have collapsed, do you need any Pesos?
48 Beef (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
Apparently Mr Hague asked the Argentine ambassador for a Gin & Tonic. The Argentine ambassador gave the standard reply that because the airline has had to pay for the jet fuel in cash they did not have enough cash to buy alcohol. She said that Argentina was then developing a gin fueled engine design but plans had been put in hold as the Argentine gvt had seized all gin to donate to the unemployed and slum dwellers so they wouldnt complain about the lack of adequate state welfare.
49 Marcos Alejandro (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
”Seeing that the United Nations and the international community and a large group of Nobel prize winners urge both countries to (start) negotiations in order to find a pacific and permanent resolution, my question is: Are you ready for dialogue? Are we going to give peace a chance?“ she asked as Hague took questions from the audience.

A flustered Hague attempted to interrupt her several times, before cutting her off with ”Thank you. That's enough. Stop.”:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/01/hague-falklands-argentina-ambassador_n_1466745.html
50 Beef (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
He was flustered becasue the silly bint forgot to bring the peanuts with the complementary glass of champagne.
51 Pugol-H (#) May 01st, 2012 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
@ 33 Guzz

George Galloway is one of the few people who will meet, and actually speak, with Ms Castro, and they truly deserve each other, a match made in heaven.

With any luck they will set up home in Gaza, and go on hungerstrike.
52 Xect (#) May 01st, 2012 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
I see you are trolling again Guzz, its a shame you are so bad at it.

I shouldn't really be surprised when you are clearly of low intelligence and obviously a zero social life given the time you spend on here replying to every ones posts.

Never mind....
53 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
@Elaine
Mylady :) If there ever were 10 reasons to be gay, you'd be 8 of them :)
54 ElaineB (#) May 01st, 2012 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
@53 Awwww, you are so clever. Did you hear one of the big boys say that in the playground today?
55 stick up your junta (#) May 01st, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
Great role model for Argie pussies

George Galloway pretending to be a cat alongside Rula Lenska has been named Celebrity Big Brother fans' 'Most Memorable Moment'.
www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s150/celebrity-big-brother/news/a335815/big-brother-pussycat-george-galloway-named-most-memorable-moment.html
56 Chicureo (#) May 01st, 2012 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
Elaine, you notice that in the past he's avoided making homophobic comments in the past, but now seems to be lashing out with them in the past two days as he seems to be failing to successfully make sense.

The conclusion that's he's extremely self-centered narcissist still remains valid, but there is obviously even a darker and more disturbing aspect of his insecure and adolescent personality disorder that goes far beyond being extremely sensitive to rejection.

Thankfully there is the WWW providing a safety buffer from when he reacts with physical temper tantrums. His recent comments attacking you are clear symptoms of a sexually confused and frustrated adolescent.
57 Pirat-Hunter (#) May 01st, 2012 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
This will be a warm winter in Argentina with all that extra fuel not only ift will be warm but cheap and productive if only half of that fueln is used in production, I wonder if China, India or Pakistan would be interested in cheaper options. This is the best time in history to seek new costumers who are willing to pay today's prices, something like this happened a while ago with soy going to China and a few months later India or pakistan filled in the gap. Europe is going broke and they think everyone else live in their same doomsday. Fortunately this is not the Argentina's case.
58 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
No Chucky, I wasn't being rude until you guys started with you personal offences, then I just got a taste for it :)
If you are allowed to abuse, then lets all have fun :)

Otherwise, stop being clever

(By the way, now I have to apologize to the economist guy, he
s right, your debt is NOT 9.8 Trillions, it's “only” 1.7 Trillions USD... That's coming right back at me :) )
59 Chicureo (#) May 01st, 2012 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
#57 Actually I hope the Argentines are able to sell their bio-diesel to someone at a price at least at parity with the world market. Unfortunately, I think they have burned their bridges to customers will to pay a eco-premium price. The Spanish sanction will hurt. Europe is not broke, its just managing a difficult economic crisis that eventually will be resolved.
60 ElaineB (#) May 01st, 2012 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@56 He is certainly an adolescent - all those fart and gay references - who is easily intimidated by women. But most of all he is desperate for attention, jumping up and down in threads and picking fights just screams 'look at me'!
61 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
@60 So Elaine, can we agree on stopping being childish and making personal remarks on what we think we know? I'd love to uphold a normal conversation, but with you and Chicureo using personal offences and childish profiling, it is not simple.
Stop doing your amateur profiling and I'll stop doing mine, or lets just have a go at eachother, you pick
62 Xect (#) May 01st, 2012 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
@61 - Jizz
“I'd love to uphold a normal conversation”

Brilliant........

And 2 days ago you were trying to take the higher ground saying you'd not stoop to that level.

That says an awful lot about your integrity or lack of.
63 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
@62
I remember posting that if you ever heard me making remarks like that it's because you got to me, and well, they did :)
I didn't set the standards here, I merely downed myself to the standards of the amateur profiling of miss Elaine and Chicureo...
64 ElaineB (#) May 01st, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
@62. Adults can't have rational conversations with immature adolescents.
65 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
@64
Then we'll have to talk as soon as you grow up.... Let me know
66 ElaineB (#) May 01st, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
@65 I do not wish to engage in conversation with you.
67 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
@66 The why are you doing it?
68 Chicureo (#) May 01st, 2012 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
#60 Elaine: What will really outrage him is to ignore his childish comments. Especially when he reaches to the depths of posting #53 which is the beginning of sexual harassment. I know you're a big girl, but in my opinion it's not worth wasting your time. You'll note the majority of pro-KFC posters are not showing support for who falsely claims to be from Uruguay. I hope you had a nice May Day!
69 Beef (#) May 01st, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
Go easy in Gizz and Marcos. They need to find some way of making themselves feel big and important as they have to face up to the fact that all thier country has ever given the world is the Tango, and we even mocked that by naming a carbonated drink after it the advertise for which involved a fat man painted orange slapping someone in the face.

Where is that Argie ambassador with my Vodka Martini and Godiva chocolates.
70 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
Look you little Gusanito, why the fook would I say I was from Uruguay, and defend Argentina? Had I been from Argentina, I would've still be proud of being from Argentina!! I don't have your need of hiding my whereabouts because I haven't commited crimes against humanity, like some gusanos around. Don't talk about being childish, because you are wthe biggest child in here, making amateur profiling, telling people where they are from, selling your country out as it was some goods. Take on a personal journey to find your morals, old man...
71 GreekYoghurt (#) May 01st, 2012 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
Better not to engage in conversation with Argtards like Guzz, Marcos and that Ginger Ambassador lady.

They don't make any sense.
72 Chicureo (#) May 01st, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
#71 Good advice. The non-Uruguayan who still lives with his mother is about to have a meltdown. I'm taking a break as it's too pathetic to watch.
73 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Chucky is still on that “I'm a profiler wannabe”-disc... A gusanito that thinks he knows where people are from calling them pathetic :)
Btw, have you told your new-found friends that your hero Pinochet was a friend of the scumbags that invaded the Malvinas? Don't you think they should know?
74 GreekYoghurt (#) May 01st, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
I'm now going to do an impression of Guzz.

Guzz: “Lies lies lies lies I'm not an argentinian in la campora lies lies lies lies” *lying on a bed of lies*

It's that easy.
75 Beef (#) May 01st, 2012 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
Gizz - Invaded the Malvinas? That was Galtieri wasn't it? We managed to do our part in getting rid of him so I expect Argies are grateful we played a part in restoring democracy to Argentina?
76 GreekYoghurt (#) May 01st, 2012 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
@75 regardless of what Argentinians say, it was actually the argentinians that invaded the falkland islands, using mainly peruvian and israeli weaponry.

You would have thought the folks in tel aviv could have thrown in a few dog-tags with the landmines and missiles flown on civilian aircraft.
77 Guzz (#) May 01st, 2012 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
@75 Beef
Yes, Galtieri was the scumbags name, working towards the same ends as Pinochet in Chile, Bordaberry in Uruguay, “can't remember his name” in Brazil, Paraguay, Bolivia... All over our continent, the USA with its ”Plan Condor (Operation Condor)”, installed puppet leaders to get rid of socialists and socialist regimes. For over a decade they killed, tortured and disappeared people all over the continent. 60000 deaths are prooved, actual number is much higher.
If you guys had removed Galtieri from office, you would've seen the true celebration, not only in Plaza de Mayo, but all over the country...
78 Beef (#) May 01st, 2012 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
We did help get rid of Galtieri. After we defeated the agressor he stepped down within days and the junta soon collapsed. Would have happened at some point but historians agree that the righteous actions of the UK accelerated the demise of the dictatorship. We don't expect a thank you from Argentina.

We have done similar things to help other nations, Serbia is an example. We led the operation to defeat another dictator and he was soon booted out of power. Now Serbia is democratic and looking to join the EUROPE and the Kosovans have been able to determine their own future.
79 GreekYoghurt (#) May 01st, 2012 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
@78 Getting Argentinians to say thank-you?! You're more likely to get mobbed by a ginger one at a press conference.
80 briton (#) May 01st, 2012 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
Mmmmmmmm
A difficult, but not impossible problem to solve,
As we say,
We drink lots of teas,
The Americans drink lots of coffee,
And the Argentineans, will have to learn to drink lots of bio-diesel//

We hear it tastes, mmm interesting .
.
81 Beef (#) May 01st, 2012 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
Just tell the Argie ambassador to go and make herself useful by fetching the drink trolley and hot towels.

At least she is good at that.
82 malen (#) May 01st, 2012 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
78 beef UK didnt help Arg to get rid of Galtieri. Error. Galtieri did it for himself.
UK would have helped with other actions, not a war.
Argentina has passed through this before too, and it did its way.

And the militar junta was not been murdered or assessinated, there was a transition, there was dialogue, and then they were judged.
83 Beef (#) May 01st, 2012 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
Right Malen the fact that he stood down right after we defeated the invading Argentine forces is pure coincidence.

UK victory in the Falklands is an accepted factor that hastened the removal of the dictatorship.
84 Marcos Alejandro (#) May 01st, 2012 - 10:47 pm Report abuse
78 Beef “Serbia is an example. We led the operation to defeat another dictator”
No you didn't lead that war, how many Vodka Martini you had already?
85 malen (#) May 01st, 2012 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
yes hastened (apresurar?? make it fast??) yes.
86 GreekYoghurt (#) May 01st, 2012 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
@81 'do you want the chicken or pork dish?'

@82 Face facts, the junta fell when they lost the war. That's a fact. Your issue with facts is nothing to do with us, and more to do with your failed schooling.
87 Beef (#) May 01st, 2012 - 11:07 pm Report abuse
84 - Yes we did Marcos. As part of the NATO mission the UK was in supreme command and directed action. General Sir Mike Jackson took the surrender.

Wake up Forest.
88 Marcos Alejandro (#) May 02nd, 2012 - 01:42 am Report abuse
Beef, You will easily believe anything because you don't know any better, the reality is that NATO is US, UK is just an America's poodle.

Wake up Forest.
89 Chicureo (#) May 02nd, 2012 - 04:35 am Report abuse
#74 Hilarious!
#76 Agreed, but let's not forget the French.
#78 & 79 Very agreed.
90 Xect (#) May 02nd, 2012 - 06:31 am Report abuse
Good old Marcos as per usual rejecting reality and history.....
91 Beef (#) May 02nd, 2012 - 06:47 am Report abuse
Marcos has also rejected his grey matter. I think he thinks Argentina is China's poodle and we know what those commies do with poodles. Yum yum yum.
92 Guzz (#) May 02nd, 2012 - 08:20 am Report abuse
@Beef
You still want to base your arguments on mudcasting and personal offences? That's all you got, isn't it?
93 GreekYoghurt (#) May 02nd, 2012 - 12:16 pm Report abuse
@90 Marcos doesn't do history or reality, that's what makes him Argentine.
94 Pirat-Hunter (#) May 02nd, 2012 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
#59 Argentina doesn't need to sell their biofuel, this report is a clown short from being a circus act, reminds me of CNN destructive reports against the airline industry back in 2001 to stage the war against CIA agent bin laden at the base 'al-qaeda' in afghanistan, costed USA Two major airline corporate and much later the car industry culminating with the bank's not long ago. Allow me to explain, Argentina need to keep the biofuel domestic to develop an economy dependent on it, on one side you do sacrifice biofuel revenues from the international community, but become much more productive and efficient on all industries dependent on it, the cost of distribution alone is the make it or break it point for most businesses aiming to go international and this is not even considering the saving on cost to production from industrial equipments used in all areas of economic activities. is the biofuel industry in Argentina going to collapse do to this ?? Highly unlikely since Argentina's history revolves around farming renewable resources, a nation dammed with blessings.
95 LEPRecon (#) May 02nd, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
@94 - yes Argentina is a nation dammed with vast resources, but constant crap management of them that keeps you teetering on the brink of bankruptcy.
96 Skåre (#) May 05th, 2012 - 07:18 am Report abuse
Argentina turning turtle in a lake of second-rate bio-crap that noone will buy :)

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