Argentina promises more public harassment on Falklands: “you wait and see”
Argentine ambassador in London Alicia Castro who on Monday surprised and embarrassed (‘ambushed’, according to the UK media) Foreign Secretary William Hague asking him at a public meeting on talks on the disputed Falkland Islands future, has promised more of the same stuff.
According to a report from The Daily Telegraph with great echo in the Argentine media, the incident took place during the launching by Foreign Secretary Hague of Britain’s annual world review of human rights at a ceremony attended by diplomats, journalists and rights activists in the opulent surroundings of Lancaster House in London.
”Seeing that the United Nations and the international community and a large group of Nobel Prize winners urge both countries to (start) negotiations in order to find a pacific and permanent resolution, my question is: Are you ready for dialogue? Are we going to give peace a chance?“ she asked as Hague took questions from the audience.
A flustered Mr Hague, sensing that Ms Castro was about to make a long statement, interrupted her several times, pressing her to ask a question before cutting her short with: ”Thank you. That's enough. Stop“.
Following the presentation and asked by the media if she intended to make a habit of appearing at Hague's public events to ask him about the Falklands, Castro laughed and said: ”You wait and see“.
The incident continued with Hague answering Ambassador Castro that ”self-determination is a basic political right of the people of the Falkland Islands ... You can count on us always, permanently, to stand by that right“.
Ambassador Castro later said Foreign Secretary Hague had not answered her question.
”You cannot say that you are so good at human rights and democracy if you are not open for dialogue,“ she said.
Self-determination did not apply to the Falkland islanders, she said. ”Self-determination is not a right that every country has or every population has. A province in my country cannot decide if they want to belong to China,“ she said.
Ms Castro, formerly Argentina's ambassador to Venezuela, took up her post in London in March, just as tensions escalated between Britain and Argentina 30 years after the Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands that led to the 74 days South Atlantic conflict, which ended with the unconditional surrender of the Argentine forces to a Task Force sent by then PM Margaret Thatcher to recover them.
Ms Castro's appointment to a post left vacant since 2008 is part of a drive by Buenos Aires to push the Falklands issue back up the international agenda. President Cristina Fernandez has launched a wide-ranging diplomatic offensive to assert Argentina's claims to the Islands, accusing Britain of maintaining ”colonial enclaves” and calling on London to open sovereignty talks.
Britain that looks after foreign affairs and defense of the self-governing, self sufficient Islands has always stated that it will agree to talks only if the 3.000 Islanders want them – something they have repeatedly shown no sign of doing.
Ms Castro met a junior British foreign minister, Jeremy Browne, last week and handed over notes requesting talks with Britain on air links with the Falklands and cooperation on South Atlantic fisheries.
The Falkland Islands elected members of the Legislative Assembly have said that they are very happy with the current commercial air link through Chile served by Lan Chile once a week, but are willing to consider cooperation in fisheries.
The government of Cristina Fernandez wants the air links to the Falklands from Buenos Aires and with the flag carrier Aerolineas Argentinas, which Islanders refuse point blank, not only because of the war, but also given very non commendable experiences such as the Argentine/UK 1971/72 communications agreement.
However regarding fisheries cooperation the government of the Falklands has long requested the resumption of the agreed scientific exchanges and joint cruises which were dropped unilaterally by the government of President Nestor Kirchner.
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How come she was a 'trolly dolly'.She is much too ugly for that. I thought Argie women were supposed to be good looking.
The word “obsessed” actually comes more to mind on the subject...but then that just makes me then think of “Obsession by Cristina Kirchner, as modelled by Alicia Castro”.
A rather typical illogical argument from an Argentine politician.
This brings a lot of shame on Argentina when their ambassadors are lowered to the level of heckling foreign governments, its all rather pathetic.
As pointed out all that will happen now is she will be banned from any further events, if isolation was her aim, she's achieved it.
“1.The receiving State may at any time and without having to explain its decision, notify the sending State that the head of the mission or any member of the diplomatic staff of the mission is persona non grata or that any other member of the staff of the mission is not acceptable. In any such case, the sending State shall, as appropriate, either recall the person concerned or terminate his functions with the mission. A person may be declared non grata or not acceptable before arriving in the territory of the receiving State. ”
If cheap nuisance making like “ambush diplomacy” is what the UK can expect then she will either be PNG-ed (probably with a request to send a proper diplomat rather than a political appointee, especially as the UK can PNG people before they even leave Argentina) or she will be left in post but wouldn't get invited to the opening of a paper bag, never mind any official functions.
First,you say where from do you publish your comments which have no European,Latin America times.
You'll need to re-word that as it doesn't make sense. You're asking something but I'm not sure what?
Obviously that you don't want to understand it..
The comments' written times tell us that
These comments are from neither Europe nor South America.
at 06:32 -- gmt--
interesting !
Looking at the posting times it seems perfectly reasonable times for UK posters. I realise Argentines do not like to rise early but it is perfectly usual here. Also, I have quite a few friends in Argentina and Chile that post at 1 or 2 am their time.
I still cannot see what point you are trying to make?
The comments are shown in GMT. If it helps the first two digits are the hour, followed by the second two digits which are the minutes past the hour. am means the morning...and pm means the afternoon.
Just so that you know: the hours before 9am do exist. Some people also stay up late when they are grown up.
Hope that clears things up for you.
I'm in the UK btw.
not normal........
the time is ... [06 : ... am] around in South America now!
That doesn't matter, friend, I'm in Denmark, time being 10:43, but as we all make personal statements (some of us personal offences as statements), it really doesn't matter where we are in the world...
Most of the 'Argentine' posters here admit they do not reside there. Does that help?
why is your flurry...?
was there your name in the serie of @ 1.............@7 ?
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& 20
For all I know all Argentines sleep at midnights.......You ?
Is Argentina so decimated in individuals with the skills to operate on the world stage that they have to field the likes of this woman and dear Hector?
I think, perhaps, a skill-training session for Argentina's 'leaders' in 'International Diplomacy 101'.
I'm quite intrigued to find out now how we are expected to enter into dialogue with the changing of the constitution. Before hand this was an open avenue as the Argentinean constitution did not have sovereignty enshrined. Now that is does, it allows no room for negotiation unless the Argentinean government is willing to break the constitution to allow for shared sovereignty. Can someone answer how negotiation is supposed to take place (as with negotiation, you must be willing to move from your position).
You do know that the UK only uses GMT for half the year, we've been on British Summer Time (BST=GMT+1) for about a month or so.
So, 06:32 GMT is actually half past seven in the morning, which if you start work at nine is a reasonable time.
Are the British ready for dialogue? Yes, the British are always open for dialogue when the outcome of the discussion is not pre-determined by the constitution of one of the parties to that dialogue. Otherwise it becomes a monologue.
Are we willing to give peace a chance? Yes- the Falkland Islands are just about the most peaceful place on Earth. It's only the noisy neighbours who are trying to disturb that peace and it is only their threats and past and present agitation that causes any defensive capability to be placed there. (Don't forget why the alleged 'militarisation' is there in the first place- before 1982 there was a small Royal Marines garrison and a few FIDF volunteers. The Argentine action was the cause of placing defence forces in the South Atlantic and it still is).
Are you on work now ?
Hague didn't pay her much respect either, perhaps a sign of things to come.
HARASSMENT = PEACE?
ha·rass·ment /həˈræsmənt, ˈhærəsmənt/
noun
the act or an instance of harassing, or disturbing, pestering, or troubling repeatedly; persecution: She sued her boss for sexual harassment.
Give peace a chance through harassment? Seriously? Are they retarded?
Where have I heard this before?
Oh, I remember. . . Germany and it's Axis allies, 1933-45.
Should make press statements a little more intresting until the goverment get bored of her grandstanding and stop inviting her.
the press seem i=to think its amusing in a rather retarded manner.
Regarding the Malvinas, if you quote the whole sentance, you'd realize why she thinks it doen't apply. But as usual, you take things out of their context and make it your own truth...
@31
Harassment? To want to start a dialogue based on peace? I can understand that is “harassment” for an invasive nation though....
We're not talking about a province in Argentina, we're talking about a self-governing territory being annexed against it's wishes (see Argentinian constitution).
Believe me, he is formidable but this is not the right forum. Hague knows that and knows that to issue a sharp cutting put down would also not be appropriate in this situation. There is a forum for this kind of thing and effectively heckling a foreign minister is not appropriate for a diplomat. In fact, other diplomats have incurred censure for much less.
With regards to harassment, yes, one could argue that in the normal course of action this is not harassment; however, she is a diplomat and is the representative of her country. Under diplomatic rules, this is a form of harassment as she has not gone through the appropriate channels. Do you see that the standards expected from a diplomat are higher than your average person? This is not an Anglo-centric thing, it is convention worldwide.
“A formidable opponent who's strongest arguement was, Thank you, that's enough. Stop”
lt worked.
She stopped.
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
I know your government likes to discuss hot issues behind their voters backs, and lie to them if need be (Iraq, for example), and that grassroot-democracy is a word they don't appreciate. “Appropiate channels” means just that, a forum where they can say things their voters are not supposed to hear.
William Hague is a respected politician on both sides of the house and a formidable opponent.
Censure of this idiotic woman is sure to follow.
“a “sharp cutting put down” is just another sign of British arrogance.”
No it isn't it is what people do when debating. I saw Cristina do something very similar in Congress when someone heckled her and shouted “Chavista” at her. However, this wasn't a debate and so Hague is not going to resort to those tactics.
“I know your government likes to discuss hot issues behind their voters backs, and lie to them if need be”
I don't need to mention the lying about inflation figures here as it would seem that your government is guilty of exactly the same thing that you are accusing my government of. And before you say that they are different, the concept of barefaced lying is exactly the same.
“Appropriate channels” means just that, a forum where they can say things their voters are not supposed to hear.”
No it doesn't, as I said, she is a diplomat and needs to respect diplomatic custom. As I also said, this is not Anglo-centric, it is global. Any diplomat in Argentina would be expected to behave according to this custom. If she wants to she can relinquish her role as a diplomat and go to press conferences and heckle all she wants to, I am fine with this but as a diplomat she should respect custom. Our diplomats are expected to behave in a certain way in your country and they do. They are expected to show respect for your ministers and your institutions and they do. Why it is one rule for the Argentinean diplomat in the UK and a different rule for every other diplomat worldwide?
One could equally ask “why does Argentina flout BINDING international law, yet expect other countries to abide by UN GA resolutions which are NOT binding?”
Are those un-written laws? Because as far as I know, there is no international law saying that a diplomat can't ask a foreign minister questions in a public forum. Mayhap he has something to hide?
Diplomats are expected to act in a dignified way and in accordance with high standards of personal behaviour, politeness etc. Heckling is NOT “diplomatic” behaviour. When diplomats fail to follow these unwritten rules, they make themselves objects of derision and this always reflects badly on the country they represent. Just think of Kruschev banging his shoe on the table at the UN. Now I know he was not a diplomat, but the same principle applies.
I truly believe she acted dignified... Who should we ask what “dignified” is? You? Lets ask the majority of the world, I'm pretty sure the 80% of the poor part agrees with me :)
As stated it is convention and a convention by which every other country abides. I am surprised that you think this is perfectly fine as most Argentineans I know have exemplary manners and pride themselves on this fact. Yes, these are unwritten rules but you know that, as a diplomat, it isn't correct to behave in this way; to pretend otherwise is just fooling yourself. If it was my diplomat heckling a minister of yours in BA I would be embarrassed. Embarrassed that my diplomat doesn't know how to behave in accordance with the high office to which he/she has been appointed and also because, in the eyes of others, my diplomat represents my country and, vicariously, me. I wouldn't want someone seeing this and saying that diplomats from Argentina are encouraged to behave like pikeys when appointed to their diplomatic post. If you do and you are comfortable that your government is also happy for them to behave in this way then fine, it's your call. No doubt if she continues to act in this way and the British government ask for her to be replaced, Cristina will be up in arms saying that she has done nothing wrong.
“I truly believe she acted dignified...” then that just shows that you have no idea about how diplomats are supposed to behave.
Mind you, having said all that, why does your answer not surprise me?
If you don't know what acting in a dignified way means, then there really is little point having this debate with you.
#50
I suspect many Argentinians are more than happy seeing their ambassador acting in such a “chavista” way!
The difference is that you send representants of the British government. We (Latin Americans) sends you representants of the people....
You deal marked cards and then condemn people for not following the rules :)
”The difference is that you send representants of the British government. We (Latin Americans) sends you representants of the people....”
No you don't, you send representatives of the governemnt. If you don't understand this basic point then is is little hope.
Well we can just disagree on this point then. I understand your point on popular policies but the rest of the world wouldn't understand your poisition with regards to diplomatic behaviour.
The sad fact is that your government is following in the footsteps of previous peronist governments, simply repeating their failed economic policies.
Just look at Argentina's pathetic economic performance since the 1920's. You have gone from being a country on a par with Canada, to having an average wage which is about the same as that in Jamaica.
This is tragic for a country which has plenty of natural resources, and thee is only one possible explanation: chronic economic mismanagement and rampant corruption.
So excuse me when I treat your assertion that the tired old peronist policies are going to increase your common wealth as a bad joke.
Well, disagreeing is not always a bad thing, but I can't understand is people that are full of manners when they talk, full of manners in the public, are the same people that invades a country and steals its natural resources and dignity. If you ask me, instead of having your manners on your lips and out, try having them on your lips and in...
May 02nd, 2012 - 08:30 am
It is a typical Malvinista tactic. When there is nothing to say, just make noise.
Like ... seriously. When are the UN going to get up and point out that this is the exact opposite of what the UN Charter says.
I'm getting bored of waiting for the Secretary General of finding his balls.
This heckling is just another embarrassment to Argentina, pretending to be someone else, breaking diplomatic code and acting in a unbecoming manner of an ambassador shows how low Argentina has gone.
Argentina is rapidly becoming the next Venezuela.
I do actually and truthfully think it is a shame though, if Argentina had a modern progressive government it could become very rich indeed with its abundance of natural resources and educated people. Instead it has rampant inflation, massive internal problems and trade problems and is slipping into the abyss.
What rot! all the dialogue she is interested in is the stuff that takes away their rights and democracy.
No, Guzz Argentina sends friends of the president.
“It is a good thing that Argentines do not understand that quiet diplomacy is where real politics happens and where deal are done.”
Argentines are their own worst enemies.
Are harassment or rape seen as peaceful in argtardia? I know theft is seen as peaceful (i.e. YPF).
Partly agree with you except that the Argentine govt. had no manners and they invaded the Falklands in 1982 to steal the resources and dignity of the Islanders
CFK: Look, we were expecting the brits to have capitulated by now but things don't seem to be going to plan.
Castro: Right, ok then, what do you think we should do.
CFK: Well, I'm going to send you around, a little like that guy in Trigger Happy TV, and you're going to turn up in public places make statements and see he they capitulate that way. If we make loads of noise then they are bound to give them up.
Casto: OK, so we sort of do what we've already been doing but wit a surprise element of slap-stick.
CFK: Brilliant, you've got it.
Maximo: Oh, and if you get the chance, try and call him a poo-head, that will really upset him...They won't know what has hit them
If she becomes a problem UK can always throw her out.
When we throw out diplomats here, the secret service goes to the Ambassadors house at 2-3am let's t each family member pack 1 bag and puts them on a plane. It is embarrassing for them and hilarious for us.
The more Argentina's government embarrasses itself the easier the job at diplomatically protecting the Falkland Island's. The UK holds all of the power but still needs a rearguard action has to take place when Argentina seeks to attack the UK/Falklands using diplomacy.
Simple games amuse simple people.
Conqueror, tell your PM I DO stick to that :)
Thought WH dealt with her quite well. She appears to be, according to the video on the nation website to be trying to make a statement rateher than asking a question. Soon put in her place though. Well done WH.
Try this page. there is a video half way down the article. Quality is a bit poor.
And to be fair, Hague walked out of that one quite well. She really didn't do herself any favours by asking what really was going to be answered in an obvious manner.
Kind of makes me wonder why she didn't expect this fail? Did the argtards think she did a good thing there?
How embarrassing...
May 02nd, 2012 - 01:57
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOXARJBpT8w
I was just joking about her being a mad cow, but perhaps she has been infected by the disease after-all. How embarrassing for any country to have someone like that to be appointed to the Court of St. James.
WH: ”Self determination is a basic political right of the people of the falkland islands. And the UK will always stand by that right. It is their right under the UN Charter. And so , the UK is very much committed to that right. You can count on us, always, permanently to stand by that right”
I cannot see what's wrong with any of that. He even stated that it's their right under the UN charter, which again, is quite right.
I cannot see the benefit of her making herself look a tit in public.
Hague should have said,“Ambassador, the exits are here, here and here”.
She was instrumental in the bankrupting of Aerolineas Argentinas before privatization in the 90's.
She was a major player in the “money in a suitcase” scandal.
She is now doing what she does best, being rude to everyone who disagrees with Kretina Fernandez.
A flustered Hague attempted to interrupt her several times, before cutting her off with ”Thank you. That's enough. Stop.” Ohh poor baby :-)))
Keep reminding Cameron/Hague everyday Alicia!
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/01/hague-falklands-argentina-ambassador_n_1466745.html
And, of course, conveniently omits to mention who it was that started a war in 1982 and who it was that closed down any possibility of a meaningful dialogue by inserting a ridiculous clause into their constitution.
For what purpose, other than to completely embarrass yourselves.
No one else gives a rats fuck about the Falklands issue and all you will do is make everyone look forward to hearing you speak due to the belly laughs that their speeches will create.
The UK government will not be sitting down and speaking with and the Falkland Islands are as much Argentine as Beijing is English. Youve been told this umpteen times.
Its like listening to a stand up comedian listening to this woman and timmerperson speaking.
She was a major player in the “money in a suitcase” scandal.
pray tell...
Does she believe she walks on water?
Thanks for the links - I'll watch them later.
Fascinating stuff.
Can you imagine them in the UN warbling on about the Falklands every day of the week? It'll be like children pestering their parents “give me that toy, give me that toy, give me that toy, give me that toy”.
What the watching world is making of all of this children trying to act like politicians is anyone's guess.
Argentina promises to embarrass itself further on the world stage over the Falklands.
Nice ring to it.
This incident will have done huge damage to Argentina's international image, and many countries around the world will watching their RG ambassador closely, no doubt to boot them out at the first sign of trouble.
Argentina has shown that it has nothing but contempt for international law, diplomacy and good old fashioned common sense.
May 02nd, 2012 - 03:40 pm
From when she was ambassador (ambassadress?) to the Chaves Government. She was instrumental in negociating the money for Kretina's election war chest.
Now I am really really scared!
Any sources on that? :)
I'd love to know more as well :)
Now I'm not a betting man...nor would I encourage anybody else to be...and let's face it betting on anybody's career can be considered distasteful. However those odds would seem fairly attractive if they were talking about 2012 let alone 2013.
This is basically saying there is only an 18% chance of her being declared persona non grata by June 2013...anyone think this is a fair estimate?
Yeah, I remember that. Tis why Chavez pretty much owns Argentina.
It's probably less than that - I'm with those who think that it's best to let a complete incompetent remain as the argentinian ambassador.
Politically Cristina is very much lost without him (in terms of treading this line). She has fallen into the trap of surrounding herself completely with yes men and seems hell bent on policies which will actually damage her country. It seems that main qualification you need to be on her side is loyalty to the point of sycophancy and a willingness never to question her (very much like Thatcher in her last days). Her continual haranguing is also very Thatcherite and her decisions are increasingly made on the hoof rather than a part on a well thought out policy.
If it is correct that the provinces have effectively run out of US$s, and that the yield required for them to issue debt is now at prohibitive levels then we could be witnessing a spectacular political implosion in the coming months.
You fail to realize that ALL the SA countries except of Colombia are together in this, pushing an empire from side to side, until it crumbles :) :)
Toby, side note, if Mendoza is doing so well how come they can't issue debt and are considering issuing Patacones to pay suppliers and employees?
The OAS is a USA relic hemispherical domination outfit.
IDB not sure.
WB also paid off.
UN, yeah why not, useless anyway.
PAHO, what's that?
So yeah. But that wouldn't be isolationism even, it would just be withdrawing from European and US dominated institutions that have done great harm to Argentina.
I won't respond to your second piece of misinfornation I already did in another thread (apparently you are now down to copy and paste).
When Hague says “ Yes ambassador , that is quite enough questions”
the whole room bursts out laughing at her , a room full of journalists and the rest of the world's diplomats . She really is pitiful .
Very good theatre for you campora kids , but it does not impress the grown ups .
If this is the best you've got , God help Argentina.
Yes, yes - complete isolation should suit Argentina just as well as it suits ..... er .. North Korea?
So what do you suggest?
Obviously we have not made any friends lately. But don't let that fool you, the EU and USA never wanted to be our friends. Suzerains yes... So no thank you. I'd rather go it alone.
You are not alone, hermano, a whole continent + China has your backs, and as you surely know, that's basically all we need :)
The respect of the EU or USA means nothing to me. I actually quite serious. If we have it good, if not, well that sucks but life goes on.
The EU and USA policies are a big catalyzer of Argentina's problems, but the realization of those problems are internal policies.
I make the analogy of the dust/pollen and your allergies. The dust/pollen may be the cause of the allergy, but the realization of the symptoms is you as a person not dusting your house/bed or using an air purifier.
In English this means that the cause of the problems are your internal policies. I totally agree.
Of course. Which is why we need to avoid the pollen and the dust :)
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/99737/i-feel-no-regrets-for-what-ive-done-argentine-ambassador-to-london
“They are trying to make me look like a cartoon, or as if I were someone who set a protest rally in front of the Foreign Secretary.”
she finally gets the message - clown!
Well, perhaps clowns are not so bad for such a position. Since the UK and Argentina have no relations, it makes no difference who sits in the emissary chair or not.
Only that you can't. We all live in the real world, and no country can cut itself off from outside conditions and hope to thrive. Look at the awful examples of countries which have tried this: Myanmar, North Korea, Zimbabwe spring to mind. Do you really want argentina to emulate these?
www.thecommentator.com/article/1168/no_es_buenos_aires_argentina_s_ambush_of_william_hague_reveals_hard_truths
What can I say to that? We send you what you deserve :)
That is not making excuses for our failings, it simply states how wrong it was to have relations with you.
BTW
www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0502/World-s-largest-McDonald-s-A-big-ad-for-obesity-say-British-doctors
Just for the record, since I said two weeks ago that sadly the British diet had come down to this. And i've been proven right.
World's largest McDonalds and SAM missiles on civilian flats' roofs. That's what the Olympics have come down to. Then you wonder why most Argies don't give a darn about such a corrupt event that pushes obesity, forces people to live like a war zone, and still doesn't PAY the athletes for being the stars of the show.
Your country is a wretched utter shambles from top to bottom. you have no idea of how to behave in front of a watching world and are an arrogant and ignorant people who has no concept of the rule of law.
It is frankly pathetic to watch your so called politicians and groups like La Campora in action.
I'm wondering how much lower your country can go? A lot further I imagine.
Some pretty big non sequiturs there .......
Why notjust face up to the fact that Argentina's future is in its own hands, and stop blaming the rest of the world? No one owes you a living, but equally no one is trying to constantly destroy you country, as you seem to believe.
You need medication...
OMG who do you think they'll blame next for their horrible plight? MUST>>>HAVE ENEMY>>>MUST>>>HAVE>>>ENEMY.
hahahaha
The EU/USA must have the adulation of the world, and be told they are the greatest invention since atmospheric oxygen. Whichever countries say “f-all” to that, you consider rogue.
Yet when the EU/USA do the same it is called “defending democracy”. No one buys it anymore, and the more you deny it the more disliked and isolated your nations are becoming in the 21st century, where “European” civilization is taking a back seat to Asian, Middle Eastern, etc...
Well, tobias, I'm not falling for it. So why on earth is your ambassador a complete imbecile?
As I suggested above, an imbecile is a genius when he runs an irrevelant office, which the ambassadors of the UK and ARG in each other nations are. We don't talk, we don't trade, we don't want anything to do with each other. So, heck, they could put an armadillo in the embassy.... HE would still do the job just as adequatly, since there is nothing to do.
That would be because Argentina tends to send diplomats accordingly to what they are up against :)
@135 So the messaging you want to send out to the international community is that your ambassadorial staff have very very bad english and also a tendency to rant on at inappropriate moments, outlining some kind of endemic cognitive issues. That's nice.
You are the British, stop calling yourself the international community :)
Whatever she might say will not make her more a clown than your leaders :)
tobias you have this ability to deflect attention from the issue at hand, either through pig ignorance or through a need to try and forget your country's main issues.
People do not dislike Argentina because you do not fawn over the Us or UK, they dislike your country, specifically its government, because your political tactics are frankly appalling.
your harassment and stupidity over the Falklands is now comical, it has gone way beyond any sort of credible campaign and organisations such as La Campora frankly sicken people, who liken your current politics to that of Nazi Germany.
you continually insult people, re-write history, deny people basic human rights and are so transparent in your childish rewriting of facts, figures and history which leave you wide open to ridicule.
the company you keep eg Iran, syria, cuba and Venezuela remind everyone of the rubbish currently trying to influence world affairs and you can expect little respect from the sane world.
You had the biggest default in history, which you refuse to repay, you have a nutter in charge of your country and your economics is rubble, with constant lies and a rehashing of your indicators such as inflation.
Cronyism and corruption are rife.
you prosecute people who dare to put forward alternative economic figures, defraud your bond holders from the correct interest they should receive on their investments and then steal private companies belonging to other countries without compensation.
We play by the rules - you dont - and you re-write your constitution to make it fit, using it as justification for your appalling politics.
You, the Argentines, are to blame for the ills that effect your country - no one else. you have no excuses.
your politicans are absolutely woeful. your Ambassador to the Uk is the latest demonstration of your utter ineptitude.
You have been sussed by every rational country around the world. In short, Argentina is a laughing stock.
It's not a reason to dislike them, more a reason to pity them.
You did make some sensible points, so I will leave it at that.
Guzz you are always saying that Argentina has the full support of all South American countries. Is this the same support they gave you at the OAS?
Face it, your pathetic de facto dictator, has embarrassed your country consistently, and has finally reached rock bottom by getting one her cronies to act in this desperate and undiplomatic way.
And no matter how you and the rest of your Argtards friends try and spin this the international community can see for itself just how pathetic Argentina has become.
Who is the ambassador of Argentina to these Islands ?
If you say to my face “ self determination” rights away ,then i show you my ambassador...
Argentines are very stupid while the English staggering at this and all other part of the World to beat them hollow easily. !
@97 So many pricks (short, droopy ones) and c**ts (huge, slack ones) in argieland.
@113 Nothing crumbling, Guzzler, not until the Tridents land!
@116 God isn't going to help “Argentina”. Argieland and its occupants is from “the other place”.
@120 Don't look at “your back”. Look up.
@134 You poor Spanish feckwit.
@137 So you sent a whore. No, sorry, that's your president.
@139 Doesn't matter how you play it now. You are dead meat!
We had our disagreements with Argentina yes, the papeleras mainly, and latest it was the import restrictions that (obviously) affected our nation a lot, as we are very dependent on our export to Argentina.
But Pepe went to BA, had a chat with Cristina, and Argentina made an exception for Uruguay.
We have still not sorted the issue with the papelera efficiently (i think that is what you refer to when you say the OAS), but that doesn't mean we will support british arrogance, just like our president told you :)
m24digital.com/en/2012/04/17/mujica-we-do-not-like-the-arrogance-of-the-rich-europe/
Guzz, do not think for one moment that the average UK citizen does not recognise the ignorance and arrogance of our government at times. We are well capable of making up our own minds and reminding our government when they get it wrong ie Iraq. They are now trying the same tactic with Iran.
In essence though I have spoken to no Uk citizen that wishes any ill will of the people of South america, in fact it is a continent that the Uk should have and should be forging better relations with.
however from my point of view some of you south americans have a huge chip on your shoulder regarding the “gringos” and you just cant see past it. your governments communique are littered with the words “colonialists”, “imperialists”, Pirates” and such terms and you really need to forget about it, move on and stop wallowing in your past.
your self pity is disgusting.
It is, in short, high time that the south american countries found democracy, stopped the rampant corruption and started to act like grown up, mature nations.
@141
i would hope that when they get older tobias and Marcos will look back and reflect on being paid by La Campora to hassle people on forum like this and realise how much they have let themselves down.
what they are resorting to is a form of slavery for La Campora, taking money to do their bidding.
disgusting.
Like you had to ask that question!!! We all know why she is a complete fruit bat. If the wind was in the right direction I bet I could have heard the laughter and cat-calls from Port Stanley. Un-intentionally she may have been a comedy riot. You know? in the ilk of Ali G. Bookings for the Edinburgh festival are bound to follow.
As for everything else. The best that can be said about it was that it was a publicity stunt that backfired. Rather than remembering the discussion on the Falklands, I think we will all be remembering the “strange bag lady” that almost got Wills a little flustered.
In your imagination like every piece of drabble you spout?
Face it Argentina has, over the past 6 months pissed off more countries than just about any other country in history has.
Chile
Uruguay
Peru
Paraguay
Columbia
Brazil
Mexico
US
Spain
UK
And as for pissing of international bodies how about:
UN
EU
WTO
IMF
OAS
And when your economy implodes, the ordinary people of Argentina will suffer, while your dictator and her cronies laugh all the way to their Swiss bank accounts.
I always find it amusing when Argentines refer to the 'arrogant' and 'superior' UK when they are the exact words used by people in other SoAm countries to describe Argentines.
” ... ambassador acting in such a “chavista ...”
Ambiguity here -
Chavista in S.A. means having the behaviour of, or following the line of, Chavez.
Some people in S.A. might think this good.
Chavista in the UK has a double meaning,
the second one being 'having the behaviour of a 'chav'.
This must be quite puzzling to our Argentinian friends.
In the face of such behaviour, it is reassuring to see Mr. Hague acting with the decorum of a true English gentleman.
the problem for Argentina is that they have now way out of this mess as any economist with any credibility has long since been dispensed with and so its left to political cronies with no concept of economics or politics to undertake the serious business of government.
Peronism has, is and will continue to kill argentina until they wake up and change course.
the problem for the country is that they have no real opposition because it has been bought off, the military are useless as they have been deliberately underfunded to stop any coup and the general population is too indoctrinated to do anything about it.
I see no brightness on the horizon for them, in fact, if they let china in to save them it will ultimately kill them.
the fact is that when they say that the US, UK and EU has a superiority complex, what they really mean is that like all of south America Argentina has an inferiority complex.
they just cant shake of who they are or where they came from because ultimately they are an implanted people on the wrong continent.
Wait, the argies are implanted on the wrong continent but the North Americans aren't?
And then you go around sayin argies make no sense. Time for index-fingering your tongue, Cestrian...
Mand the last five responses are just completely desparate. LOL!
Say what you want, but dont for a second think that Argentina is on her own, we all stand behind her.
Come and shoot us, but know that where one of us falls, ten more rises...
Who's to say....
Get to fuck man “ten more rises”. Who do you think you are Clint Eastwood. Utter bollocks.
1 in 4 kids in the US is poor.
Home ownership lowest in 20 years.
30% of properties in the USA have negative net worth.
Economy slowing fast (after what... three months of growth?)
So five years of recession (since 2007), and all you can get is a good trimester, and things are slowing again. LOL. Yeah you are the big bad USA hahaha, but rememeber life is about what have you done for me today...
Where one falls ten more rises?
Is this like the behaviour of the escort frigates to the Belgrano? One ship gets hit, the 2 escorts bugger off leaving the crew of the Belgrano to their fate, despite HMS Conquerer radioing them and assuring them they wouldn't be fired upon, during the recovery/rescue of the sailors?
I'm sure all the people's of South America are lining up to fight Argentina's battles for them. I'm sure you and the rest of the Malvanista are willing to the last drop of their blood.
You talk big for a little man.
@158 Tobias, even during it's worst economic recession the USA is doing better than Argentina, and they don't have to lie to their people about just how dire the economic situation is.
But time will tell whose economic policies are the best, the USA or Argentina's. My money is on the US economy weathering this economic storm, Argentina is bailing fast as the waters rise but it on the brink of sinking.
I'm sure i'm not the only on who sees the irony in an Rg taking the piss out of the worlds biggest economy.
You see Tobias this is why everyone on here laughs at you.
If we had 30% inflation with only 2% growth I would be concerned. We have basically no inflation and growth it could be better and as soon as we get a new Prez it will be. I'm not worried.
Rattle with your guns all you want, we know even more than yourselves that you are full of it...
However don’t despair, the entertainment value of this Chavet should not be underestimated.
Probably be detained tying to climb onto Buckingham Palace balcony, in a Cat Woman suit, carrying a banner proclaiming “Falklands Son Argentinas”.
@Guzz
You need to take the hot potato from your mouth so we can understand what you are saying.
“Nice to know it's the same 15 names posting crap in these threads. You aren't in any way whatsoever representative for Britain, a fact you will appreciate tomorrow”.
Ha, ha.
Maybe La Campora are flying over to the UK as we speak in their busted aircraft dropping $2.1b pesos into the sea as they go.
Guzz - laugh a minute.
There is no such thing as RELATIVE property. That is the biggest lie you can tell youselves.
Poverty is measured by societal pressure. This can be easily demonstrated in a study done in Argentina in the mid 2000s...
Children that are middle class being sent to private schools, either because their parents made the sacrifice to pay or due to scholarship... schools attended by upper class people and sons and daughters of diplomats.
Over 70% of those children reported feeling “depressed” and “less in worth”, because they could not keep up with classmates that sported new shoes every week, or having to attend birthdays and seeing the homes some of their classmates lived in. Similar studies were then conducted in other countries corroborating this phenomenon. Yet they were otherwise children that did not suffer any want and lived in typical middle class homes.
If a poor person in the USA makes 17,000 a year, he could care less about the comparison to the poor of Zimbabwe or India... he cares only how he is doing in relation to those around him. And that is what creates “psychological poverty”, which is far more devastating than “relative poverty” across nations.
Why? Psychological poverty leads to depression, or to hostility or addictions. Which reinforces the process. It is in such ”poverty' milieu that all kinds of societal ills occur. The actual money amount is irrelevant, what matters is the environment.
Which is why you see drugs, abuse, and violence in the poor of the richest nations as much as in those in poorer nations.
Further proof of this is countries like Bolivia, Cuba, Malawi... there, people are universally poor, and their crime rates are much lower than the USA and most of Europe. Why? Because the social stigma of being at the bottom of the latter has been removed. The same applies to wealthy nations with egalitarian tendencies (Norway, UAE).
Being poor in the USA, Argentina, Honduras or Somalia is exactly the same: a state of mind.
WTF?
They're relative terms. Gosh, you're such a time-waster.
What I wrote is scientific studies. You are poor only if you think you are poor (we are not talking about starvation here, which is phsyical distress due to want). Just material perception of “poverty”.
And material perception of poverty is completely psychological. If you live in a town of millionaires with 20 room mansions and tennis courts, there is a good chance that your 4 bedroom home with a small patio and your 50k salary will have you feel miserable. Fact.
No one in Argentina calls poverty as having no food. You are just a hurt little man who has to lie and exagerate to the point of being a fool.
If the UK government does not wish to be accosted and laugh at, every time it opens the bloody door in the morning, as sees this silly child sitting on the doorstep, then we want to know this,,,
Can the British government send this silly women home, and an undesirable person,
If we can then send her back.
If not then ignore her and snub her,
/////////////////////////
But the million dollar question IS will the British government do anything about her,
Yes or no.
.
Riddle me this Toby, why are there SA doctors cleaning pools and working as janitors in the USA if poverty is the same everywhere?
Why are tens of thousands of Europeans and Americans working as informal language instructors, waiting tables, or otherwise just lolling in ARG if life up there is so great?
dear me, here it comes, making it up again. So Tobias people are now leaving europe and the us in droves and taking up life in Rg Land? I somehow doubt that but please dont let the truth get in the way of your little fantasy.
Youre inferiority complex is showing yet again.
It is a frigging fact! In the period 2003-2010 yes, MANY left Europe and the USA for Argentina (young people mainly).
At first it was obvious that it was because of the cheap living post-devaluation. SInce 2008 it was mostly Europeans and Americans sick and tired of the bad news at home.
They were not coming here for the financial standard of living, they were coming here to escape the oppresive LIVING of the north period.
Even yankeeboy, if he claims to know Argie so well, knows this is a fact. Argentina filled up with expats (with savings), coming to ARG just to escape. Telling.
Laughable.
Why is the UK the most popular places for immigration attempts in Europe?
Away from all of the petty squabbling each country has its merits.
I wasn't talking about immigration to the UK. And remember Xect, I'm just trying to cool some haughty heads with dank humility handkerchiefs. I may overstate things just to get the desired effect.
Speak rationally, and I will speak rationally and you know it. Go on wild fantasies to humiliate argies as some here do, and well, I shall engage in my own.
I know the answer to that, it's because you have been chosen to the ugliest people on the planet twice, and people want to see for themselves :)
I lived like rock star in 2001 but I came back to the USA when inflation started creeping up (10-12% yr) and it started to get dangerous.
Do you think anyone will be left now that it is 30% and tourists are getting stabbed in the parks?
Even USA tourists are shunning BA now you're left with other SAs that have no $ to spend.
Having withdrawal symptoms are we?
deary me.
No need for that. Girls in London are actually quite allright, perhaps because they are underrated so expectations are lowered. Happens with Paris for example everyone always hears wonders about it and then you go and end up dissapointed. Same happens with many tourists going to Brazil expecting every girl to be a knockout and end up sorely dissapointed.
It is so bad there is even a syndrome associated with Paris “let-down”.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
Japanese get fed at home such a utopian image of Paris that when they get there and deal with the dirtyness, traffic, roughness outside the tourist areas, and the parisians themselves, they go into psychological distress.
Which brings my point back... psychology plays a HUGE part in everything in life, including the perceptions of material poverty (NOT famine)!
Travel broadens the mind, promotes tolerance and removes prejudices. It is great fun too.
They come back LOVING THE USA and saying they will never live anywhere else....just like I did.
That was a very sporting post - bravo sir, especially for not feeding the troll.
the only minor setback on here is you.
Let me throw you a curveball my friend:
Did you know that ARGENTINES have a higher per capita income in EVERY NATION OF THE AMERICAS, then the citizens of those countries themselves??
There are Argentines in all nations of Central America, South America. Usually they are in the news business, television, sports players, modelling, hospitality and food, or are some sort of professional. In all countries they are much wealthier than the average citizen. I can provide you with a bunch of articles over the years on this, articles by media outlets in those countries (not argy).
And yes... in the United States, argies make more money than the average American. Proof? US CENSUS! Look it up.
so how did schools and people imigrating emigrating get into all this .
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fuckoff.
I'm not your average troll, I just dislike being told that I will get shot at by one of your non-trolling posters. You can't take a normal discussion without starting abusing, and when people abuse you back, it's only because they are trolls... Tell you what, be arrogant, feel you have the right to abuse and play the victim when getting abused at. I don't care.
All I do care of, is the numbers, and they are saying you are facing 20 years of “relative poverty”, while we are going upwards and upwards. And yes, INCLUDING Argentina
You could replace EU, UK, USA with ARGENTINES and it would also be true.
The US Census wouldn't have good data on what illegal RGs make in the USA most of them don't fill out the form. Are you for real?
Most the RGs I know of in the USA are strippers, bartenders and waiters.
It is also true that they understand how blooming lucky they are to live in a developed country, don't take it for granted anymore and have a greater appreciation of the standard of living they enjoy. I think that is a good lesson for a young adult to learn.
The truth is we are all very similar in that most of us want the same basic things and more than anything my overwhelming experience of travel is the kindness of strangers.
Personally, I have never met anyone in South America as toxic as some of the posters on here.
Illegal argies? LOL, still harping on that one? You do know 1 in 2 argies left back for argentina by 2007. And they already were the country with the lowest levels of illegality.
So the figures for argies in the USA is probably the most reliable of ALL south american nationalities.
The fact most of your acquaintances are hookers speaks more about your current state of social life than of argies. LOL!
We'll all book mark that comment.
Write a book Cestrian, I promise to read it...
Notice my posts to Tobias are civil and polite, well thats because he treats others with respect and genuinely adds content to the discussion.
i've written over a dozen.
I agree I was being rude yesterday, but only after Chicureo, Elaine and Yanqui started attacking my person, doing silly profiling. Again today I tried to be civilized, only to get Conqueror saying he was going to shoot (???) me...
Are they being trolls as well in your eyes?
All of those people you mentioned with the exception of Conqueror are generally quite peaceful and respectful but after your previous posts they were obviously annoyed and decided to (successfully) run you down.
Conqueror is actually a very knowledgeable guy but his response to any form of aggression is a lot more extreme than a lot of other UK/British/Falklander's.
Even I was deliberately winding you up because of the things you had previously posted and I don't usually engage in those antics.
I'm willing to give people a chance as long as they are adding value and not being moronic. People like Marcos, Danny (now Dany after his first account was banned) & co have always been moronic and probably always will be, hence they get zero respect from other posters with their rather obvious one-trick pony trolling.
How can I put this... I beg to differ, mayhap...?
What you are trying to tell me is that all those who thinks differently are moronic by nature, and not because they (also) readposts that they understood as offensive? Telling a man that he will get shot is not moronic, it's nothing but a slight overreaction? Scroll back and check for yourself when I started acting “moronic”. Tell me it was before I got all these posts telling me where I come from and making assumptions on my state of mind.
How come you have the right to post “moronic” post only to wind people up, and in the same sentance you tell me I have to be serious in order to be taken seriously? You sincerely think you guys are the only ones with the right to get annoyed when reading moronic posts?
Treat others as you want to be treated yourself, otherwise it is nothing but double morals.
I've already said Conqueror's views are extreme in my previous post so what you have said doesn't stack up.
If I did indeed follow your view as you've pointed about then I'd be offensive to Tobias and a few others who debate intelligently but clearly I don't so the above post doesn't stack up.
I'm not getting into who started it but your hate/argumentative based posts have prolific to say the least.
We are all equal in our rights but some have more respect from everyone else than others.
Anyway I've said my peace, have a good night.
Was my post condescending? Rude? Disrespectful mayhap?
I think I get you, we are all equal, but some of us are more equal than others...
Have a good night
It seems William Hague is not only not ready to talk about dialogue and peace but also not prepared to discuss in a democratic way.
Conservative governments rarely like discussion and exchange of ideas...
Appart from being an authority, HAGUE interrupting Castro's question is a demonstration of the AUTHORITARIANISM of the British Government.
No, Richfe @108. Her presence in the UK is far too useful for the British government to do anything like that.
@213 - Fermin the only people not willing to give 'peace a chance' is the government of Argentina. The people of Falkland Islands already have peace, but it is occasionally interrupted by the childish, rude but impotent neighbours called Argentina.
Argentina will only be respected on the world stage when you start respecting others. However, Mrs Castro was talking to the wrong person about the sovereignty issue. She needs to talk to the government of the Falkland Islands, but she won't do that, 'cos then she'd have to recognise them.
So the reason there are no talks, whatsoever, is because of Argentina's intransigence. You can't ask to negotiate when you have it written into the constitution that Soveignty is non-negotiable. Negotiation by it's definition means both parties give and take until they come to an amicable solution. All Argentina wants to do is take: take away the freedoms of the Falklanders, take away their homes and property, take away their culture, steal their resources, perhaps even take away their lives too.
So the lack of cooperation is Argentina's fault, not the UKs.
He stopped her because we had heard it all before, and, it true diplomatic style, she had asked a question that she already knew the answer too. She ought to be thanking William Hague for stopping her before she made even more of a fool of herself.
For more reasons why, just read post “215 LEPRecon” to why. The Argentinian government can not be trusted.
Shes certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed.
lts just like keeping Cristina as pres.
She stops the Argentine military from ever being a threat to us.
When the oil starts to flow & we are rolling in it, perhaps we should put both of them on the government payroll!
My final line was........what can there be to discuss ?
If I am favoured with a reply, I will post it here.
It seemed a better idea to question the organ grinder rather than some of her monkeys who post here.
AHAHAHAHAHAH,cestrian..a pirate country uk talking about law....Stuoid cestrian
Who cares,anyways uk is finished
www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Z3awCv1hQ&feature=relmfu
I also pointed out that the UK does not recognise the claim and retains its sovereignty in the shape of the Falkland Islands Legislature
UNGA says there is a sovereignity dispute an uk IGNORED!
Soo long for this law breaking rogue nation.....18 century garbage!
black beard
blue beard
red beard
yellow beard
[Pirates] dont you just love em,
but hey, you could be aCFK supporter
ahahahahahahah.
1. Keep the Falklands British -
www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=1
2. Falklands Forever British
www.facebook.com/pages/Falklands-Forever-British/183369319529?filter=2
3. We Will Never Surrender the Falklands
www.facebook.com/pages/We-will-never-surrender-the-Falklands-Islands/327781238193?filter=2
Join the growing cause to protect the Falklands from Argentine aggression!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6pB57lhPlk&feature=youtu.be&skipcontrinter=1
#54 & 56 Well put =)
#112 Or there could be another possibility, that with the government's policies moving left those who are with Cristina, as I would myself if in such a situation, are showing a bit of solidarity (rather than sycophancy) and moving in the same direction. Question is what side are you on, Cristina or the powerful reactionary forces that are out to unseat her and stop all social advance
The HAhaHA clown has spoken and I have to agree with him. Argentina...who cares!
Well, I certainly won't be crying for Argentina as it slides into yet another economic meltdown.
We must show respect to all war dead, from whichever country, this git did not do this.
Ban his entry into the UK.
and make CFK give all the bits of argentina that has been taken from other parts of south america, back to the rightfull owners,
then split what is left into UN provences .
end of .
www.facebook.com/pages/Misiones-y-Formosa-son-de-Paraguay/250980491652629
Misiones and Formosa Provinces are provinces of Argentina that were seized and annaxed by Argentina from Paraguay this page is dedicated to address Argentine hyporcacy and ensuring their return to Paraguay.
If Scotland have that right the Falklands (that totally governs itself apart from foreign affairs and defence) has the right of self-determination.
Or would Ms. Castro say the Scots do not have the lawful right to control their own destiny?
clyde: Who cares about you! You are NOTHING!
219 johnny dep as a pirate Pirates are cool
madonna as eva peron not so cool
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Argentina is NOTHING! You are FINISSSSSHHHHHEEEEDDDDD!!!!!!!
There, thats out of my system.
Malvinero-----SHUT UP!
Go outside & play, while the adults are talking or l'll smack your bottom.♥
#232 Oh behave! =) ♥
The people of the Falklands don't just not want to be part of Argentina, they vehemently oppose ever becoming under their rule.
Argentina is a failed rogue state, that just over 30 years ago, brutally murdered AT LEAST 30,000 of their own citizens.
What guarantees have we that that could never happen again?
Argentina wants to expand at the expense of their neighbours.
lndeed they believe that its their “right” to do so.!
Why would ANY sane person want to give up a stable, prosperous democracy like the Falklands & be submerged in the teeming millions of a corrupt mercurial unstable dictatorship like Argentina?
Forget their ridiculous “claims”.
Their “claims” are utter bullshit as any research will prove.
lf Argentina was a peaceful, prosperous democracy, that respected its citizens, then its possible that we would want join them.
At the way things are at the moment, that is lightyears away.
The biggest problem is the mentality of the Argentine people when dealing with the Falklands.
Such arrogance.
l, personaly cannot see it ever happening.
What guarantees have we that that could never happen again?”
The success of Cristina's democratic leftist government is the best possible guarantee. Negotiations would contribute to that success. Making Argentines and Islanders both safer and better off under the protection of my benevolent peaceful beautiful Queen
Argentina took land from its neighbours in numberous wars , civil wars and land grabs - Paraguay, Uraguay, Chile. Today Argentina despite the changed political landscape is still a nation characterised by uber nationalism. The claim to the Falklands was surendered in 1850 but reserected in 1941 by a fascist junta, which inc Peron, they thought their friends the Nazi were going to win the war, the Falklands looked easy picking.
In 1982 Argentina was under the latest succession of a series of fascism military junta's. Their hold on power was looking precarious, in deperation they sort a war, Chile looked like a good victim, they already claimed lots of land and were ignoring the international tribunals that had ruled in Chile's favor. But then they changed their mind and invaded the Falklands. Today the war is romanticized by a nation ruled by a kind of cross between a Neo-Nazi uber nationalist and a Charvesta Revolutionary uber Marxist. The only thing missing is the land reform. Maybe that's for later? But as few natives remain, maybe they'll just ignore their rights... God knows they always have. An entire culture replaced by a European one. Entire languages destroyed.
Timmerman should take time to read about his country's history.
What about when your ravashing lmperial highness resigns or dies?
What guarantees have anyone that her “benevolence” would continue after she was gone?
As my kids say, Jacksh*t.
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