Cristina Fernandez insisted in Angola on the South Atlantic as “an area of peace”
President Cristina Fernández highlighted the importance of keeping the South Atlantic region as ”an area of peace, free of militarization,” during her speech before the National Assembly of Angola on Friday.
The leader also thanked the African country for its “permanent support for Argentina’s sovereign claim” regarding the Malvinas Islands dispute.
“We form part of the South Atlantic and we need to maintain it as an area of peace, and free of militarization” said Cristina Fernández.
Earlier on Friday the Argentine president attended a bilateral meeting with the her peer of Angola, José Eduardo Dos Santos, before speaking before the National Assembly at the Presidential Palace in Luanda.
During the meeting with the Angolan president, President Fernández de Kirchner highlighted the “magnificent opportunity” Argentina and Angola had in coming together on future business transactions, particularly in the face of the global financial crisis.
The last appointment on her schedule will be a visit to the trade fair where 400 Argentine businessmen will exhibit their products, accompanied by the Agricultural Ministry and the ANMAT and INCAA, with the aim of attracting investments and generating sales.
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This is why you use your military to harrass Falkland Islands registered ships? If the South Atlantic is to be free of militarisation by definition, I take it that the Argentinian navy (such as it is) will be disbanded then, Christina?
ARA Hércules
ARA Almirante Brown
ARA La Argentina
ARA Heroína
ARA Sarandí
ARA Santa Cruz
ARA San Juan
ARA Salta
ARA Espora
ARA Rosales
ARA Spiro
ARA Parker
ARA Robinson
ARA Gómez Roca
ARA Drummond
ARA Guerrico
ARA Granville
Yeah right, just because your navy is old and only good for intimidating fishing boats and freighters doesn't mean that you're demilitarized.
José Eduardo dos Santos married three times and has six children from his wives, and one born out of wedlock.[16] He and his family have amassed a significant personal fortune. The actual value is unknown, but in recent years his daughter Isabel dos Santos, who manages the family fortune, has made multi-million dollar investments in Angola and in Portugal, in her name and that of her husband.[17]
@4 Typical' morally respectful' ally of Argentina-bet his fortune isn't passed to his people
@5 Remove all aircraft within range of the Falklands, and disband your navy KFC.We daren't give peace a chance. When the the UK did by demilitarising in 1970's and 1980's, took away the hovercraft, reduced garrison to 40 marines,and negotiated, guess what, Argentina invaded.
But Kretina is saving Argentina by selling 18 harvesters that haven't been made yet to Angola, and exchanging soy for petroleum and gas to heat her hotels in Calafate.
“This Friday Nobel Prizewinner for Literature Mario Vargas Llosa blames Peronism for the ”self-destruction“ that, in his judgement, is leading Argentina to underdevelopment, impoverishment and populism, and compared its trajectory to that which put Aldolf Hitler in power in Germany.”
(El premio Nobel de Literatura Mario Vargas Llosa culpó este viernes al peronismo de la “autodestrucción” que, a su juicio, está llevado a Argentina al subdesarrollo, el empobrecimiento y el populismo y comparó su trayectoria con la que llevó al poder en Alemania a Adolf Hitler.)
Who is Mario Vargas or what he done?
Is his posting on this forum?
:-)
Anybody know the answer to the Mario Vargas question please post it as I have not been able to find it myself.
@12 Lord Ton
I think this may be a question of 'the biter being bitten' or 'two can play at this game' .What did Ms Castro expect if she went to the home of tolerant free speech (the LSE ) and started spouting her prehistoric Peronist rubbish to the British home crowd. People in Argentina might be brainwashed enough to listen quietly and accept it but nobody in Britain believes a word and definitely not these free thinking students who pointed out a few of Argentina,s
imperfections which seemed to have upset the lady.I hope the instigator was William Hague but I do not think the Foreign Office is creative enough for that.
www.thecommentator.com/article/1216/discord_over_argentina_leaves_gaping_hole_for_defaults_across_the_recession_troubled_world
#2 “ARA Drummond”
Good Scottish name, didn't know about that one, thanks for making my day =)
#8 “Kretina and Dos Santos, two of the most corrupt leaders in the world”
Aye right! So theres not more corruption in Eastern Europe, anywhere else in Africa, etc etc. Btw whatever his imperfections Dos Santos is a hero for having alongside Fidel Castro brought apartheid to an end, according to Nelson Mandela who is more of an authority on the subject than you are
17 Tabutos
Yes, We've all seen the Dr Who christmas special as well ( quite good actually ) but you are asking the wrong question there my ol' mucker. you should be asking “Do you think she looks a bit plastic?”
Zimbabwi, Nth Korea, Iran, Syria.
One has to wonder?
As a counter, Venevision just completing 1 week visit to Falklands. It will be interesting to see if the ultimate viewers in Venezuela get to see and feel exactly what the TV crew has learned and seen.
Just read the article. Aside from the obvious ploy of trying to ratchet up S Amercican tensions over so called militarisation of the area, her remarks on self determination were incredulous. Saying you support something in general, is basically saying you do not in fact support it, after all they are talking of one the fundamental principles of the UN. Then to go on and say you support Self determination for some but not for others, is well, frankly laughable. Keep her in the UK, she is doing an absolute fantastic job at providing the very reason why the Falklands will always remain as it choses.
Creativity mate, creativity, it's all Argentinian creativity!
“Do you think she looks tired?”
She looks like the old crows I used to shoot back in the UK, though thinking about it at least they had colour in their beaks.
LOL
I wonder what the Angolans are really thinking about their Argentine visitors. Probably, do they really want to pay for our oil with those trinkets (combine harvestors).
What are names of FI Governor's nephews ?
You cant find them in YouTube/Wikipedia/Facebook/Twitter.
Its looks like CFK has a plan to divide the entire South Atlantic and its contents (i.e. islands and oil) between the South America and Africa.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Helena
Think you'll find that it does exist, as does every other ship that Rufus mentioned. When Argentina gets rid of all of their ships except for two, we'll remove HMS Dauntless and HMS Clyde while Argentina removes its final two craft. Oh, and Argentina should disband both its Army and Air Force, which while old and rubbish, are still quite large. If Argentina does that, we'll remove the garrison on the Falklands. Then the south atlantic will be completely demilitarised. Until that happens, the small garrison on the Falklands will remain, as history has shown on two occasions (1832 and 1982) that Argentina cannot be trusted not to invade sovereign British territory. Oh, and by the way, stop worshipping a Botox queen, she's not good looking and she's a terrible leader for her country.
Philippe
Argentina only hates the fact the UK could very easily flex its military might on the bully that is Argentina trying to intimidate the peaceful people of the Falkland Islands.
You know without the power of the UK stood behind the people of the Falkland Island's would be in the hands of the aggressor that is Argentina.
It's so pathetic that 1; the people of the Falkland Island's need the UK to defend them and 2; she cries wolf when she can't force her way on others and goes complaining to anyone who will listen.
Its all very childish and rather pathetic.
Of course they are!!! The Argentines are you classic playground bully. If they see something they like, they take it by force. If you ask them nicely to return what wasn't theirs in the first place, you are met with silence. If you use force against them and win, you get nothing but sulks and spite until they do get their way.
It's not pathetic that the Falklanders need the UK to defend them, it's their right and we would do it anyway, it's just sad that we have to perminantly garrison the Islands because of the Argentine continued threats and intimidation towards a people that have done / are doing nothing more than trying to live their lives the best way they can.
Unfortunately, I think that the Argentines will never grow up, will never learn to live and let live. That part of their brain is missing so The Falkland Islanders will alway have to be on their guard. You are right, it is all very childish AND it is pathetic. Pathetic that the Argentine government has not learnt, will not learn and looks like it will never learn.
Humiliated and without friends...Maximo pack your bags we are visiting Angola, yes Angola the pariah state.
The world looks on and laughs, its come to this Iran and Angola and Argentina the three amigos fighting the capitalist pigs.
hahaha a joke of a country the RG's are.
Angola will suport CFK in her disput,
on leaving she will thank angloa for there support,
NEXT
never heard of the other one .
May 19th, 2012 - 07:46 am
Do yourself a favour BK. give yourself a rest. Even the Malvinistas think you are an unrepentant throbber.
www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gb8GXEHEba1CZDbWlifwdBhdAkqg?docId=CNG.acf68785b74fc99190c108c221c97cfa.8c1
I have no doubt that the angolans will be told by the UK/US etc. not to bother with Rg Land and anyway the Angolans will know that RG Land is not a stable partner that can be relied upon.
Whether they will bite or not remains to be seen. Should be an interesting one to watch.
Meanwhile I note that the Repsol saga has taken a turn for the worse internally:
www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/05/19/credit-suisse-asks-argentina-grupo-petersen-to-repay-loans/
Long live Kretin's world view, she's totally crazy!
Is that such a bad idea, its the ocean between their continents after all. As for me, I would support Cristina even if she was sent to Saint Helena (surprised none of the haters noticed THAT association actually!)
#35 And what did you think of Savimbi, maybe to your liking if your a fascist?
#37 I don't care, I'm not a slave of the malvinistas, I'm here to say what I think which is that austerity isn't working and we should give peace a chance
#39 Or maybe she really believes in democracy and will even talk about it when it would be more diplomatic to stay silent. Though if you knew Angolan history you'd know that the main historical obstacle to democracy has not been the government but the apartheid backed contra like armed rebel oppostition
I’m watching US Mitt Romney campaign made in Mexican Spanish to catch voters in US.
Is not amazing? www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTqrdKT8Gkg
I just wonder when campaigns in UK will be made in Pakistani, Marathi, etc.
None cares Reality this is your great opportunity do something in 10 years time Arg will be who will send nuclear subs to your shores.
may be won't be necessary because after the UK economy collapse Uk will go back to the middle age again. Let's see and wait...
Different things are the having of weapons and using them in logistically--strategically... where UKistan doesnt have both.
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4327433/England-v-Argentina-we-bring-on-the-sub.html
As I said before I guess we are going to have a lot of fun hunting each other so let’s face it you will not be happy until 6000 will have to die and the Argie Army kill all the islanders I guess.
Let it be so but with music
Feuer Frei Bäng Bäng
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHUsIU161w4&feature=related
BTW how are you going to bring your kebabs rations to the Islands????
You pair of sad racist plonkers. Still can not discuss anything without throwing a little racism into the pot, can you.
By the way. Kebabs are of Arabic origin, what happened to your Curry jokes?
I personaly prefer Goat Curry. If it's good enough for a Gurkha, it's good enough for me.
No good, can not resist it. ........................................
Your last effort at hunting UK subs did not go down to well did it. Get it, “Go down to well.”
Laughter...Laughter......PJTNS
What time is it in Manila now ?.....~17.20 ?
For all i know , the Philippines is already a world leader in BPO and will likely remain so......!
When I checked it was:
Manila 01:26 am GMT.
Port stanley 02:28 am GMT.
Is your watch broken.
Who cares Stanley village !
I do believe eventually all the gains from service and remittences will have to be reflected in the creation of Philippines manufacturing industries which can serve the domestic market and competitive within the ASEAN free trade zone.
It’s not racism “OutOfReality” its that we are just concern about your poor diet that’s all.
“If it's good enough for a Gurkha, it's good enough for me.”
Well be careful to don’t end like one of them, Britain usually after use them in wars like to dump them.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZVGKgvtRl8
So now how are you planing your war? just with 2 subs?
What war, who's planning a war? The Falklands were caught undefended once before. it is not going to happen again. Simple as that really. I suppose you could say, we have a “Talent” for defending our people.
say a few names from these islands' Executive Council members ?
I demand few names whoWikipedia didn't write ones.!
Now why would I need to know one single name of a Falkland Islander? Of what relevance is it to this topic or any other topic for that matter. Is it your hypothesis? that in order to believe that the Right to Self Determination is paramount and worth supporting and defending. It is also necessary to know the names of those people who are exercising that right. If it is your hypothesis, I am not sure it is going to catch on.
Oh and by the way, you only need to ask, not demand. Such a harsh word. I demand this, we demand that. Just ask, much more polite.
It's a lovely morning in the Falkland Islands. Pale blue sky with pink streaks of cloud. I'm having my toast and marmalade and feeling at one with the world :-) Stop all this demanding and threatening. Go to your happy place and think pleasant thoughts about your Falkland Island neighbours.
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/05/20/falklands-war-memorial/
Overcast here, at least the rain has stopped, blooming drought.
Coffee and cold apple pie for brekkie, nice lazy sunday morning.
@61 Lord Ton
Watched it on telly, very dignified service led by Rev David COOPER, former 2 Para padre.
“From the sea - Freedom.”
Engraved, beneath a map of the Falkland Islands. Set in a stone on the floor in the centre of the memorial.
following the unilateral CFK verbal-pacification of the South Atlantic:
Taiwan is to declare the North Pacific an 'Area of Peace'
Samoa is to declare the South Pacific an 'Area of Peace'
Greenland is to declare the North Atlantic as an 'Area of Peace'
Sri Lanka is to declare the Indian Ocean as an 'Area of Peace'
.....And the USA will declare Asia as an 'Area of Peace',
.....Russia will declare North America and Europe as an 'Area of Peace', .....China will declare The Whole World as an 'Area of Peace'
.... and Carl Sagan (RIP) will retrospectively declare the whole universe as God's peaceful province.
Really WEIGHTY pronouncement, Christina!
Pity that every single plant and animal species struggles to survive. Animal defence - like a pampas cactus - needs claws and spines;
a nuclear powered submarine keeps its claws sheathed until needed, it is a passive beast until poked.
Just don't poke it.
Cristina.....not Christina !
“What war”
The war we are going to have down there if UK continue down this path. Wars start like this wrong signals, wrong political gestures (like to send subs), refuse to talk about how to fix the problem, etc.
Then you have the war that none wanted and none can stopped because is too late.
And this is going to be a really big war because UK is pissing off not only Arg. otherwise the full SA. And Arg. militaries will not want to loose as is their great opportunity to gain again recognition from Arg. population.
And we are going to have bigger war memorials lets say to put there 5000/6000 and doesn’t matter who win or lost. And the Islanders will be the ones that will suffer more because will be a lot of destruction with a lot of “collateral casualties” like happen in modern wars when you use some type of weapons.
Well lets see and wait...
The reality is that Argentina and the Nazi Comedians are not top of the World popularity stakes. If you actually think that the rest of South America gives a t*ss about the Falkland Islands you are deluded.
The current bunch of erratic comedians governing Argentina couldn't even run a corner shop and are leading the country to international 'pariah status'. They are only using the 'Falkland Islands' to distract their population away from what is really happening to their country while they continue to fill their pockets.
67> You are a misguided soul I feel sorry for you . Only in Bizarro world would Chile, Brazil, Peru, Colombia side with Arg against the UK. If Chavez was healthy maybe he would join in but he's almost dead and I am sure he is busy trying to make plans for his family's safety after he passes. So how to you have SA unity with only Bolivia, Venezuela, Argentina and Ecuador? What a load of manure. Your lack of history and current events is embarrassing.
As far as the British are concerned there is no problem. The Falklands will remain British for as long as the Islanders wish to, and no amount of hysterical screaming and foaming at the mouth by your President and her cronies is going to change that. The British forces in the South Atlantic are there as a deterrent, not as an attack force.
You must think very highly of the British Armed forces if you believe that a couple of ships, 1, 000 military personnel and 4 fighter aircraft can be that much of a threat to Argentina and the WHOLE of South America.
I don't mention the nuclear powered sub, as it may or may not be in the area. Oh, and a nuclear powered sub is not necessarily a nuclear armed sub ( your politicians don't seem to know the difference). Nor do they understand that if Britain truly wanted to make parts of Argentina glow in the dark we could do it from London, we don't need to be parked off shore to do it.
Not that Britain would ever use nuclear weapons it this way, which would be against the Laws of Armed Conflict, and against international law. International law, that's the thing that Argentina keeps ignoring.
As for your comments about the rest of South America, why would they risk their troops and assets to fight Argentina's wars? For what gain? They would gain nothing from entering a shooting match with the UK. Argentina's armed forces aren't up to it (which is why you're trying to involve others), and the only 2 countries with armed forces up to the task are Chile and Brazil, both of whom RG land has upset in the last few months.
You say that you are friends and brothers with them, and then you'll stab them in the back at the 1st opportunity.
Dany you've been listening too much to CFK. All of South America doesn't support you. Some may give verbal support (mainly to shut CFKs screeching up), but saying 'we support your claim' is an entire galaxy away to actually going to war with someone over it.
You didn’t tell me what American’s companies do you want to be expropriate first?
First of all, no one is planning any war with you. The UK is adopting a positive defence posture to counter any military threat from Argentina. The easiest and most effective way to protect the Islands, is to deploy the assets we have already deployed.
Secondly, you, Argentinia, have been appointed to speak on behalf of the rest of the S. American Countries, on matters of International relations and defence, have you? I do not recall reading or hearing of such a defence pact in any of the main stream media.
Thirdly, are the rest of the South American countries, really that concerned with ingratiating themselfs with Argentina? are they really that shallow?
Last of all, no collateral damage because, listen carefuly now, no war! and no negotiations until Argentina recognises the Right to Self Determination for the Falkland Islanders.
Idiot.
Think before you speak so you don't look so dumb.
However, we have spent significant amounts of of GDP to make sure we NEVER find ourselves in a similar predicament of 1978 when they nearly brutally invaded out country. (Yes, “brutally”, Operation Soberanía plans were brutal.)
Today, we have the capacity to destroy the Argentinean military and still fight off any simultaneous attacks from Peru and Bolivia.
What's humorous to me is that the Falklands needs less than a thousand military service people, 4 fighters and 1 destroyer to hold Argentina helpless...
There is a small but noisy group of warmongers posting from Argentina but Argentina has no ability to wage war, nor does it have any significant allies. Listening to DB, for instance, is like listening to the Black Knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail movie; his legs and arms have been cut off but he still boasts and postures that he could win the fight, “Come back here and I'll bite you”. All ego and no susbstance to support the threats.
Even CFKC does not want war.
Did not know about Operation Soberania, I just looked it up on Wiki. It puts a whole new perspective on the 1982 invasion of the the Falkland Islands. Those mad bastards were hell bent on starting a war with someone. If it had not been with us in 1982, then I am convinced it would have been against one of their neighbours, probably the one they considered the weakest, militarily that is.
(Yes, I know what was happening in Chile as well, but the planned a full invasion of my country.) We were weak then and would have been hurt badly. Today, Argentina cannot even protect it's borders. So they behave instead like spoiled children.
I am a Falkland Islander and I agree it would be better if our two countries were friends but you should know that the relationship between here and Argentina was not as you describe. Yes Falkland Islanders were able to attend medical facilities in Argentina but there was no choice in this for most people. Add to this the fact that Argentina controlled all air access but would not permit Falkland Islanders to travel on British passports. Argentina controlled the fuel supply and forced Falkland Islanders to accept a mitary garrison to 'protect' it. Argentine authorities opened Falklands mail. It was not a pleasant time for Falkland Islanders and we have no wish to return to that sort of relationship. If we ever have a working relationship with Argentina again, it is going to be one that we want.
Here here.
You say...:
“Like a pampas cactus - needs claws and spines....”
I say...:
Pampas Cactus ???
You mean...
Like the world-renowned Scottish Coconut Palm ?
And so what is your problem if you are so powerful what are you afraid of?
Is really funny to see someone that threats you to vanish from the face of earth having fear.
If I going to vanish you from earth I will not even give any notes to you.
Like this the real world works.
So stop pretending you are concern just do what you need to do or shut up.
You don’t have to care for our future just only be sure to be right on your assumption because in the war game who get vanish is the stupid one that make the mistake to undermine the enemy.
So what are you waiting for? It’s quite easy just launch a missile to Arg. mainland and you will see what happen next.
Argentina has not been a good friend or neighbour of the Falkland Islanders since Peron invented the Argentine claims to the islands in the 1940s.
In 1982 your country invaded and tried to subjugate the people on the Falklands, and in the intervening years have done NOTHING to promote friendship or even be good neighbours.
You have it written into your constitution that the Falklands is Argentine territory (which it has NEVER been), your government has tried to starve the Islanders out, threatened them with invasion, with removing their rights as people, and have even talked of ethnically cleansing the islands! This is Argentine friendship?
If Argentina wants true friendship with the people of the Falklands then it has to EARN it. However, Argentina frequently breaks its word and can't be trusted. But if you truly want to mend fences with the islanders this is what Argentina must do.
Acknowledge that the people of the Falklands exist and that they have their own government, culture and way of life.
Remove the offending portion of the constitution regarding the Falklands.
Drop your erroneous and spurious claims to the Falklands, which hold no water historically, legally or morally. If you had any real claim you would have taken the dispute to the international court of justice, but you don't, so you won't.
Try asking, and stop DEMANDING things.
Apologise unreservedly for the invasion in 1982.
Stop trying to bring economic pressure to bear on the islands.
In short STOP threatening them.
If you do all these things, and keep your word, maybe in 30 or 40 years time a dialogue can be opened up between BA and the Falkland Islands Government.
However, pigs will fly before Argentina ever keeps its word or stops threatening the countries that border it, and the Falkland Islands.
“So what are you waiting for? It’s quite easy just launch a missile to Arg. mainland and you will see what happen next.”
Only a bully would hit someone who can't fight back.
Since Argentina's military is currently NO threat to anyone, but Argentina itself, there's no need for any action, diplomatically or militarily.
So, as I said previously, you must think Britains Armed Forces are really good if they can keep the WHOLE of Argentina at bay with so few.
Poor Dany. Pathetic much?
Well said, wish I could have put it half has eloquently as you just did.
“Only a bully would hit someone who can't fight back.”
Are you talking about UK? Ah! You are right no carries no money no guts no no.
You are right you don’t worth to be attacked because you cannot fight back and wouldn’t be so nice.
So keep quite before someone really get stuffed by your stupidity and forget that you cannot fight back.
This is the play ground son, war is real and isnt cool.
The likely hood of there being war is slim, and if it happens it will not be the UK who will make the first move. Refer to my post 77# and ask you parents for help if you struggle to understand any of the concepts stated. Other than that, quieten down kid, because you really do not make any sense.
How are you doing? Did you watch the Queen Diamond Jubilee Armed Forces day yesterday?
I thought the fly past was excellent. Especially when they flew in formation of 60 and then E II R. They were perfect, no plane out by so much as an inch.
It was a good day, and even better night, my head still hurts for some reason - can't be because of the booze. I only had one or ten drinks in toast to HMQ! ;)
We have the second highest power projection capability in the world, second only to the US. I think its safe to say that we could do a fair bit of 'fighting back', but i think its also fair to say that neither us nor the ARG want or should do any fighting.
Ok !...lets not demand...lets request the names of the Islands' Governor nephews...everybody knows them there.
Time is 02.22 (Monday)in Manila now !
@94 - Max is that you?
Be ready ..I have some questions for you about Argentina..!
Max?...former Chilean guerilla,Fidel Castro friend Max Marambio !
No I am not ....!
Yesterday, 19th May 2012 - by Brian Reyes
The Royal Navy expelled a Guardia Civil vessel from Gibraltar waters following an incursion by Spanish fishermen late on Thursday, in a clear sign that Britain will not tolerate any attempt to escalate the fishing row.
A British navy officer told the Spanish vessel that it was violating international law and ordered it to leave British territorial waters immediately.
www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=24900
…………….ALSO
HMS WESTMINSTER
• HMS Westminster smashed the actions of three pirate groups in a fortnight – sending the boats to the bottom of the Indian Ocean. The Portsmouth-based warship treated the skiffs to a Viking funeral, blasting them out of the water with her guns and those of her Merlin helicopter.
www.royalnavy.mod.uk/News-and-Events/Latest-News/2012/May/16/120516-Westminster-Pirates
And the royal navy is also sending a nuclear submarine, [as reported yesterday]
Into the south Atlantic, ,,
The fact is, we are powerful, but in a nice friendly way, we serve to protect,
And deter, and for the historical fact, that prevention is far better than cure, and a re-accurance has not happened, proved then the deterrence is working, ,,is this not true .
.British Royal Navy,
does exactly what it says on the lid
@96 -MistyThink. Why don't you try posting something that is relevant to this story instead of trying to divert people away from it? It'll make a nice change for everyone.
Certainly did, nothing like a good parade, HM has seen a few of them during her reign. I remember how she used to take the Trooping of the colour sitting side saddle on horse back, now that was spectacular. My late dad was in the Welsh Guards for HM's Coronation, he was in the right hand rank, third man back, marching behind her coach, Think he said they marched for 8 miles that day. Always used to tell stories about going out on coronation night, London was buzzing, full of troops from all over the world. He had 10 bob in his pocket, got pissed has a fart, still had 10 bob left the next day and one mighty hangover. Here's to many more years of her glorious reign, god bless her!
Is asking any questions shame ?
Interesting to hear from Ialbe, Honoria, Joe Blogs.
Can I say that DanyBerger must be the most idiotic of all the trolls.
Reality, LEPRecon, yankyboy, don't even reply to him. He is completely clueless to be polite.
@100 RC - good skills that man!
@89 - Dany. Britain doesn't need to attack Argentina, as Argentina is currently no threat to the Falklands. Therefore the UK is no threat to Argentina, so no need for war. In fact the biggest threat to Argentina is your own government which seems hell bent on flushing you all down the toilet.
However if Argentina ever did decide to attack the Falklands you would discover that the UK has HMS Illustrious, an aircraft carrier. It doesn't carry fixed wing aircraft it's true, but it does carry helicopters. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of an Apache.
Apache would be very good at taking out, I don't know, let's say an amphibious assault by Agentine troops. 30 cal and hellfire missiles can really ruin your day.
the falklands Islands have never been Argentine. arent and never will be. the Islanders themselves will determine their own future and if anyone tries to interfere with their right of self determination then they will have a rendezvous with the British Armed forces.
In the UK this issue takes up no tabloid inches. The people in the Uk know that the Rg's are pissing against the wind and no one gives shiny shite about what they have to say.
I'm also quite sure that the rest of south america and the Un know exactly what the score is.
This is just not going to happen for Argentina.
end of this thread and also many others.
Merco Press - stop warbling on about this issue.
Whether it's true or not makes little difference. As long as the Argentine navy believe it's there, they won't risk coming out to play. The UK government never comments on the route taken by subs (such things are secret), so there will be no official denial or confirmation of this story.
What is the subject ?....this article is only a news...you (some of you)
only nibble these superficial news by replicated--automatic comments.
I dont ask about Algeria ask about islands...no reply !
Please don’t start again with your power projection your apaches and all that sort of stupidity that we hear all the time from you.
The question is, are you willing to die in the battlefield or not, because you and the Islanders will suffer a lot of casualties like in any war.
All your little infrastructure including rigs ports, etc will be destroyed.
If you are please keep going like this, you are doing a good job to be hated even more by the Argentines.
Then will see who wins and how useful were your toys.
There will only be a war if Argentina was stupid enough to try and invade. Last time your forces invaded they faced 70 men, and the only casualties that night were Argentine. If you tried to invade again you would show the world that your talk of peace were lies. You would also be breaking international law, and any deaths or injuries would be laid firmly at YOUR doorstep (just like in 1982).
Any Argentine invasion force would be lucky to reach the islands, let alone get ashore. As I said you have no idea what it takes to undertake a action of this kind. It takes a lot of money, which Argentina does not have. It takes men and equipment, equipment Argentina does not have.
So Dany, stop embarrassing yourself with these inane comments.
Be ready ..I have some questions for you about UK !
Ah! that great british institution, the Sun Newspaper. As the late great Kenny Everett would say, “All in the best possible taste!”
Your so right about the RN, never confirms nor denies the presence of their submarines. Not for nothing are they known as the silent service, increases the fear factor. They seek them here, they seek them there, they seek those damn elusive brits everywhere.
What a great name for a Hunter killer, though, “HMS Talent” must be describing its ability I suppose.
“If you tried to invade again you would show the world that your talk of peace were lies”
“You would also be breaking international law”
And who cares? Oh! UK is going to take legal actions against Argentina Buaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Again talking about money? How much according with you will cost to invade the Islands?
2bn, 5bn, 10bn if Argentian wins, the islands by it self will pay back.
So would be a good investment. Are we capitalist or not?
lol, it takes a good non-seq to tease you into comment; but no allied comment on the S Atlantic zone of peace.
I thought (#65) that my parody on the world's peace zones would be enough in itself to get you to poke your head out of your shell, but then I thought - belt and braces ...... 'give him a pampas-cactus' ;-)
CFK and her military advisers would like to nationalise
The Airfix Company,
Apparently they hope to get their military hardware cheaper.
As the daft CFK was reported as saying,
Why have money, when we can have plastic.
apparently
What a pitiful collect of thieves
what an oportunity
Argentina has no money (hence why your president is trying to trade your food for oil), you have no credit rating to speak of and no one would trust you to pay back any money that you borrowed, so you can't take out a loan.
Since Argentina's military has old weapons and equipment, little or no fuel, and not enough ammunition to train with, let alone start a war, I'm curious as to how you, Dany, are going to invade the islands, and then keep hold of them? Please enlighten us with your brilliant tactical mind - oh you can't because you are just full of hot air.
Then you talk about the islands paying for themselves. Well Argentina has huge amounts of natural resources already, but because of rampant corruption, are unable to exploit them, so you have no money, when you should be one of the wealthiest nations on earth.
What makes you think you could exploit the resources of the Falklands when you can't exploit your own country's?
Or is this the part where you convince the Brazilians and Chileans to fight and die for you, so you can later stab them in the back? Only the people of Brazil and Chile aren't as gullible as Argentinian people, and they don't trust your country as far as they could throw it.
Poor Dany, all mouth and no trousers.
You didn’t answer my previous question. Are you willing to fight and suffer the consequences or no?
Are you willing to die for your rocks and sheep yes or no?
Then will see, none is going to tell you how you will be invaded. You will have to find out by your self I guess.
And you didn’t answer my question about how much will cost to invade the island according with you.
So how do you know if Argentina cans afford that?
You are just talking BS because you have not idea, about anything so keep going assuming things is very funny.
Whatever you SA. Yawn.
Regarding cost. There is no way to put an exact figure on it, but considering Argentina's current financial state, and the current state of your armed forces, it would certainly be in the billions of dollars, a rough estimate would be US$40 billion. That's just to upgrade your armed forces and munitions.
Argentina hasn't got billions of dollars, especially to squander on an invasion that is unlikely to succeed. Not BS, the truth, something I know you don't hear very often in Argentina.
Your armed forces are decades behind the UK in equipment and is untested in battle, and the UK has a very experienced war fighting army, which is well equipped and trained with the most modern weapon systems around.
So how would you invade Dany? By air? Not good as the Typhoons and HMS Daring could destroy your whole airforce between them. By sea? Not good either, because HMS Daring, the Typhoons and the submarine could take out any of your ships. Both air and sea? Well there's still that gauntlet to run, so the odds don't look too good. And if by some miracle your troops landed, they would then have to fight land based troops, which could be reinforced within 24hrs from the UK.
The last time your navy messed with an RN submarine, all it took was the sinking of one ship, and your navy ran back to port and stayed there. That was in 1982, and your armed forces were in better condition then than they are now. So what do you think the odds are on you succeeding now?
It would take 20-30 years of solid investment in your armed forces to bring them up to scratch. By that time Britain will have 2 new super carriers, with all the aircraft that go with them, and Argentina will still be playing catch up.
Dany, your talk of invading the Falklands is just a pipe dream.
“Dany. I am an ex-soldier”
And Should I be scared? You tell me, as you seem to have all answers.
You have no Idea who I’m so the first rule in conflict “Never underestimate your enemy” could be deadly dangerous. Didn’t tell you that when you got your military training?
Again talking from your @ss “a rough estimate would be US$40 billion. That's just to upgrade your armed forces and munitions.”
With $40bn Argy army will invade 5 times the islands you have no idea of what you are talking about. And you have no idea what is the real state of the Arg. Army.
So better you talk about something you really know, let’s say nothing.
“So how would you invade Dany? By air? Not good as the Typhoons and HMS”
You tell me you seem to have all answers.
But the question is how are you planing to fight back without carriers and proper air protection?
Any real answer?
Don’t tell me with your 4 TP because I will die laughing.
You invaded the Falklands and were scared of a force of 40 Royal Marines - fair play they are better than most NATO countries special forces.
The Army and the Marines are battled hardened and have damaged enemies your country can only dream in your worst nightmares.
That plus air and sea power and you have no chance so your Genarals would be not so foolish to do anything.
I put forward reasonable posts regarding Argentina's ability to invade the Falklands, and since you are out of your depth you respond in a very childish manner. You actually make CFK appear like a reasonable person.
You ask how we are planning to fight back without any aircraft carriers. Well, Dany, you have to reach and then successfully invade 1st, which as I have said in previous posts, is highly improbable given the current state of your armed forces. You say don't mention the 4 typhoons or you'll die laughing - we could only hope. I'm sure Argentina's armed forces are glad you are not President, as you would bravely send them all to their deaths, and fight to the last drop of their blood.
You didn't answer how you plan to invade, and instead gave an infantile response. Tut, tut, Dany. Surely with your amazing tactical brain you could plan how Argentina could do this?
Also how are planning on financing this invasion? Because of successive governments distrust of your armed forces since the junta, they have been starved of resources. Their equipment is old, and U/S. Yoou can barely afford fuel to allow a couple of ships out of port, let alone the whole fleet (some of which can't sail as they badly need servicing and replacement components). You air assets aren't much better off.
It costs US$ 95,000 for one javelin missile. This is a handheld and fired weapons system (bit like a bazooka, but much cooler, amour piercing). And this is one of the cheaper types of missile. So, just how do you plan to pay for new ships, aircraft, weapons systems etc...? Remember that retrofitting or even 'buying off the shelf' is costly and takes time - hence the 20-30 years time frame to get your forces up to scratch.
So I don't think that the Falkland Islanders have much to worry about. Argentina would worry in you were in charge.
He simply denies reality when its not in Argentina's favour.
Your 40bn estimate is reasonable although arguably not enough since the UK is at least 30 years ahead in military terms over Argentina and in the past 30 years has spent all of the time advancing its technology and forces.
In Argentina's current state quite clearly to any sane person the UK forces would easily be able to destroy the Argentine forces.
Not even CFK is mad enough to start a conflict with the vastly superior UK forces.
“Dany, you have to reach and then successfully invade 1st, which as I have said in previous posts, is highly improbable given the current state of your armed forces”
You just have answered your own questions then.
So no need for further explanations.
Ok, ok, ok you know Javelin, and sure you know Milan, Spike-RL, Taurus, Roland II, Tomahawk, Exocet, , Aspide, etc, etc.
And?
Question for you about ARG. Army which ones from the list are produced in Argentina? Or better tell me what missiles produce ARG.?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz getting boring
As i have never talked about apaches and that was the first time, that on merco press i have ever mentions the phrase 'power projection', your comments are ignorant and stupid. And to make you appear even more infantile you obviously dont even understand the phrase, or any of my post. Your entire comment was drivel, unless you can quote any post that i have mentioned these phrases over than on this argument ? That is a challenge. Below is what is a link to what is the meaning , to quote someone, as i dont think youve grasped the concept.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/quote
You see in an argument, when someone states some well structured points, the idea is to counter them, not just to state some stupid and irrelevant drivel .
So if you think that for one second you are able to construct some sort of relevant and understandable counter argument be my guest. If you cant counter post (77) , which i do not doubt, then i presume you will come out with the same school boy antics.
As for would i fight for the islanders ? yes i would. Our infrastructure destroyed ? Well i cant expect you to understand, but the Argentine air force is outdated. You would not get past the 4 typhoons on the islands. And by the time you tries, there would be a reaction force to reinforce the islands. And finally it is the Argentines who are creating a diplomatic rift, not the UK.
Please if you consider yourself a semi-sentient and intelligent being, address my post 77, and find these mysterious posts of mine where i mention power projection before today and apaches.
If not none of hold it against you, not all of us are blessed with the ability to think and interact properly.
6 months war on these islands costing to UK will have AT LEAST 3 times of Argentina probably costing has.
1. If the war went on for 6 months, it would mean the UK is destroying Argentine mainland which means it would actually cost Argentina 10 times as much and
2. Argentina doesn't have the resources or money to fund a war and would be bankrupt in less than 2 months
If its a game of who can keep going both military and financially the UK would easily win any of those contests.
In 1982 , if Argentina were resist staying on the islands,UK would'nt remove it.
You say “i have ever mentions the phrase 'power projection', your comments are ignorant and stupid,”
I say that you luck of intelligence to keep a proper argument and also you lie.
The evidence of that is below:
Post by # 77 THOR94 May 20th, 2012 - 03:32 pm
“Although there have been huge military cuts, the UK military is still far more updated and has a far superior power projection”
Can you see “Power Projection” in the end of your sentence?
“obviously dont even understand the phrase, or any of my post”
The apache was as references to tell you to don’t start again with that, anticipating your probably stupid comment like “LEPRecon” had made see his comment about Apaches.
I also can tell you that your have bad grammar and poor spelling in your comments. For someone claiming to be British.
Also I would like to point you out that educated people writes comments in paragraph may be 2/3/4 lines and not like you do in a single one.
You can learn to write from Mr. Think I guess.
May be that is the problem you cannot follow posts here and can be as result of typical bad and poor British education.
And also the last war lasted little more than 2 months, and back then the Argentine forces were more evenly matched with the UK. Now however there is a larger gap, so the suggestion of a war possibly going on for up to or longer than 6 months is not likely.
Again obviously meaning, that i have already used the phrase. And i said 'quote any post that i have mentioned these phrases over than on this argument ?'
I asked you to quote me the time that i mentioned the phrase other than post 77, 'this argument', in reference to the supposed time that i have previously mentioned this phrase. So i ask again, what other time have i used this phrase ? It really isnt hard.
As for the word 'apache', it is impossible to anticipate someone doing something again, if they have not done something in the first place. It is logical contradiction.
Also referencing the 'bad grammar ' and 'one sentence paragraphs', there are a few things you should note.
1) This is the internet and we are writing in a comment box. It does not warrant perfectly edited writing nor essay styled and structured comments. It is for, as the name suggests 'Comments'. The definition is below, to explain that a comment can be described a brief note of thought
www.thefreedictionary.com/comment
2) Definition of a a paragraph, if i actually chose to write in well structured paragraphs, does not state it has to consist of more than one sentence, just that it portrays one thought or point.An lower educated person may feel it must contain more than one setnacne but that is not stricly true.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/paragraph
3) I have never been very good at spelling, but have not found that it holds be back from writing good pieces, or expressing my opinion. for all you know i could be dyslexic, and anyone who is, can still be extremely clever.Albert Einstein for instance. dyslexia.learninginfo.org/famous-people.htm
I Am still waiting for counter arguments for points in post 77.........
You will never get a sensible reply from DanyBerger. or as I tag him / her DunniBurger for the sh@t sandwich that he is.
It is laughable that he thinks to deride others for grammar and spelling errors when his own diatribes against the Brits, et al, are full of them besides lacking clarity:
”
“obviously (you) dont (don’t for do not) even understand the phrase, or any of my post”
I also can tell you that your (you) have bad grammar and poor spelling in your comments. For (, for) someone claiming to be British.(this sentence is incomplete without the- ,for -correction).
Also I would like to point you out (point out to you) that educated people writes (write) comments in paragraph (paragraphs) may be (maybe) 2/3/4 lines and not like you do in a single one.(lacks clarity – should have been: in a single block).
May be that is the problem (,) you cannot follow posts here and (which) can be as result of typical (typically) bad and poor British education.
Only 12 errors in my chosen 4 paragraphs.
But don't forget you can take lessons from the 'Turnip in Chief' himself 'I don't Think'. WHAT A LAUGH!
I cannot keep up with the arrogance that these Malvanistas have. But the day of reckoning is coming.
I do however appreciate the compliment that he paid the British with his expectations of their grammar and spelling 'I also can tell you that your have bad grammar and poor spelling in your comments. For someone claiming to be British.'
He presumes that British people by standard, have excellent Grammar and spelling. I am sad to disappoint him, that although Britain has churned out some of the best grammatical and linguistic genius' in the world (such as Dickens and Shakespeare to name but a few), we do not all possess a natural cunning in the arts of language and literature.
However, like i have stated, i thank him for his generous generalisation.
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try to learn foreign language for better conversations.....hard for you ?
Because if so, it was DanyBerger who brought up arguments of grammar, and it is danyberger who is still yet to 'beat' or even address my argument.
If i have got it mixed up and you are saying that the user we are commenting about is making sniveling complaints and is beaten, a thousand apologise and i agree :D
It's probably better to ignore Berger or you only encourage him. His English may be a bit of a joke, but he's a highly skilled troublemaker and, unlike the rest of us, probably being paid for his posts. His Argentine paymasters probably don't realise how bad his English is. Isn't there a Spanish language forum he can join?
Yes, DunniBurger is a troublemaker and he is highly skilled in something, I just wish I knew what it was. :o)
or
CFKs argentine secret service
.
You obviously follow Argentine politics quite closely, but it is also obvious that you have never lived in South America. Democracy is not perfect and especially in SAmerica. It is ultimately the right solution, but you need to get there first.
What I am getting at is that democracy can be dangerously exploited in an immature society. I think that is what Ialbe is implying in post 125. S/he is not saying that they poor shouldn’t vote. S/he is saying that the poor have been manipulated and that is to the detriment of the country.
Remember, you are sitting in a country that has universities that are 1000+ years old. Crick and Watson discovered DNA before the first colour TV arrived in Chile. You can’t project your understanding of how things work on to a very different society.
I think it is a shame that in post 125 you have genuine first hand opinion of how peronism and CFK has ruined a country and you just dismiss it because it doesn’t fit with your vision of how things are.
Come over to SAmerica some time. I will show you around. I can take you to some protests so you can experience tear gas and water cannon. Then we can reverse in to a slum and I will drop you off so you can talk politics with some of the locals. Just kidding I wouldn’t wish that on you, but you get my point.
“So if you think that for one second you are able to construct some sort of relevant and understandable counter argument be my guest”
“i have ever mentions the phrase 'power projection'” I have ever mentions??? Or I have ever mentioned?
Conclusion:
1- British have not good grammar at all and many of them like Albert Einstein suffer from dyslexia.
2- I have an employer that is not paying me. Gosh!
3- I’m from the secret service. Oops!
Wow little brains only produce little thinking.
@MurkyThink
“he is heavy smoker”
Close, very close. : )
@ ynsere
And who is paying you? Are you being paid in U$s, BP or Pesos?
I guess in pesos and earning very little.
Truth be told I thought you'd have disappeared up your own a*se by now.
So changing the subject onto grammar is your way of telling everyone that you have no counterpoints to my or THOR94's well thought out arguments about how Argentina doesn't have the capability or capacity to invade and hold the Falklands.
It just shows everyone that you are ignorant in military matters. Did you ever go and talk to any of your veterans regarding the war as I suggested? You should, they could teach you a lot, or do you, like many if your countrymen pretend they don't exist?
Poor Dany. He's lost his faith in CFKs ability to run the country, and now he realises that he isn't the Napolean he thought he was. Shame.
'1- British have not good grammar at all and many of them like Albert Einstein suffer from dyslexia.' - Please re read the post, because you fail to understand the point. Some people suffer from dyslexia, but this does not prevent them from being intelligent or putting across a good argument.As in, spelling incorrectly repeatedly, does not devalue an argument.
'2- I have an employer that is not paying me. Gosh!'I never said this, and also i think you fail to understand some simple humour. How very sad.
'3- I’m from the secret service. Oops!' - Once again i did not say this but does sarcasm mean anything to you ?
And if you on the subject of grammar, once again this is a comments box, not a grammar competition. Despite how it was worded or spelt my argument still beat yours.
oh can i correct you on something, seen as though you are so keen on grammar.
' British have not good grammar at all '
it should be 'British people DO NOT HAVE good grammar'.......
IN CONCLUSION: As DanyBerger failed to even attempt to address points as laid out in post 77, he can not construct an argument against it.. And so DanyBerger has been proved wrong. He only comment son grammar and tries to distract from the original argument.
Oh and please stop comenting on my speeling ?!?! its not that bad......
To invade your little Island is easy than you ever thought, but this is not the place to talk about the subject.
So now I’m more interested in your poor grammar.
@THOR94
Sir, you not only have problem with your grammar and spelling I guess.
You also have problem to understand so here the explanation.
When you find a @ typically followed by a username that means that the post is addressed to him.
So see again my post please, and you will find that my reply to you ended when @MurkyThink appears as I’m doing in this post.
And yes your grammar and spelling is very bad even me can tell you that.
@Pete Bogus
Keep telling to your self that 4 EFT are enough to keep your safe may be you are lucky and in the end you will convince yourself of that.
But please be careful with foggy days and some flight manoeuvres over a EFT because can be pretty dangerous.
BTW have you fix your problems with Spare Parts?
Besides, it getting onto winter now, so you've missed your 'window of opportunity' for this year. Do you ever talk to the veterans like I have suggested twice now? They could tell you that fighting in freezing weather is not pleasant at all, and takes a lot of training, proper equipment and morale. Off course you didn't, people like you prefer to ignore these men as they are a reminder of your countries defeat in 1982.
Regarding grammar. Your preoccupation with it is infantile, and as I stated earlier a sure indication that you have no idea what you are talking about, your bluffing can match well thoughout arguments, and that you are a young man with little experience on most matters (student perhaps?), but you don't like to lose so you change the subject constantly. Then you can I won the argument!
Poor Dany. Everyone who reads your posts know that you have no credibility in the subject you we talking about: an Argentine invasion of the Falklands. You tell them that with every comment you make.
A piece of advice. When you are in a hole, the best thing to do is stop digging.
Tell me your strategy please I’m listening....
BTW have you found when your M 68020 get conflict with data source yet?
Ha ha
Poor Dany, can't remember any of my previous posts. The British strategy is already in place. You know those military assets that you keep mocking, but are keeping the whole of the Argentinian forces at bay, and the rest of South America if you believe the La Campora trolls on here.
It's you that has no strategy, no tactics, no experience, no common sense and no ability to understand that you have embarrassed yourself with your posts, most of which are either prevarication or an attempt to disguise your ignorance by changing the subject or making insults.
Remember this post you made on the 'Latam Nobel Prize blames Peronisim for Argentina's self-destruction attitude' thread? on that thread @90 DanyBerger says 'I'm so tired of Cristina too let's get rid of her but then can we invade the Islands with the support of a right wing party like Biondini?'
Later on the same thread you then contradict yourself and call the British warmongers, when we post in response to this infantile threat.
You have yet to give any kind of coherant response to these thoughtless posts you made, except unsubstatiated boasts that hold no weight in reality. Stop digging that hole Dany, you're really embarrassing yourself now.
I would describe it as arguing with a monkey, but i have a strong feeling that a monkey would do much better.....
We have this with guz, on the other blogg,
They understand only two things,
1, Britain is responsibly and blamed for everything, [its our fault]
And Argentina is as innocent as angels in the wind,
No hear
No talky
1-Is my fault that your intellectual level is so low to understand?
Well read carefully my post again, follow in reply of what was, look for who is Biondini (RoadMap Right extreme wing) like many countryside poster here claiming to be Argentines.
And then maybe just may be you would understand what I wanted to say.
2-You want to talk to me about war and strategy (no problem) but you have not idea about your ETP AIS is made of.
You have no idea what military weapons ARG produces to shoot your @ss and repeat like monkey political statement copy past from Maggie speech?
So what can we talk about?
Propaganda that you read on The Sun?
3-“You have yet to give any kind of coherant response”
I don’t have to give you a damn sh@t about anything.
4-“Dany, you're really embarrassing yourself now”
The only one that are embarrassing your self is people like you what think that 4 TP will be enough to survive and invasion.
@THOR94
You are starting to sound like ChristRambo may be your brother?
Who is Maximo?
I especially like the bit about the 4 Typhoons. Very funny as you show once again your ignorance, but you also seem to have missed some things out.
4 Typhoons - which are years ahead of any airframe argentina has and could easily take out your fighters, or bomb your surface vessels.
1 kick-ass type 45 destroyer - the MOST advanced military surface vessel in the world, which could destroy Agentina's entire airforce with one salvo, plus engage your surface vessels, from outside their current weapons range.
1 submarine which may or may not be in the area (you'll never be sure). Argentina's navy won't come out to play if they suspect there is a sub anywhere near them.
I suspect that CFK has already broached the possibility of invading the Falklands with her joint chiefs. No doubt, after they picked themselves up off the floor after laughing their asses off, they told no they couldn't because they haven't got the resources. Besides CFK doesn't really want the Falklands, 'cos if she did get them who would she have left to blame all her failures on?
Your government, Dany, has starved your armed forces because your armed forces are more of a threat to YOU, the Argentine people, than they are to Britain or the Falkland Islands.
Never mind Dany, you have those long winter months to look forwards to, without food, heating or power. Oh, you'll have plenty of micro chips to eat, but no way of cooking them. :op
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