Falklands’ economy “booming” in spite of Argentina’s efforts of a blockade
Despite desperate attempts from Argentina to deter potential investors and increased interference in Falkland Islands’ activities the objective of an economic blockade has not been achieved, said Governor Nigel Haywood on Wednesday in his ‘state of the nation’ annual speech to the Legislative Assembly.
“There is increased evidence of companies coming under Argentine pressure and regular reports of illegal interference in certain areas. However, we are confident that these attempts will continue to fail and we have the full backing of the UK Government and international law. Such attempts are inconvenient and frustrating but they are not achieving the objective of an economic blockade”, emphasized Governor Haywood.
But the governor also underlined that the focus of the Islands must remain “on our own objectives and we should not be diverted by baseless attempts to derail us” and “we will continue to concentrate on our own development agenda”.
The Governor followed with a quick oversight of the Falklands’ economy, which contrary to other parts of the world is “booming with significant government surplus”, partly because of additional revenues from the oil industry, but mainly based of an excellent year for the fishing industry, higher prices for wool and meat plus the Tourism Strategy, aimed at increasing the number of tourists and transforming the industry’s offer.
“Illex squid returned in force, resulting in the highest catches for some years and the current season also looks promising. Whilst the Islands are not immune to the world economy, the Government has substantial reserves which are invested wisely and prudently”, said Haywood.
“There is significant ongoing interest from major international oil companies in farming into offshore opportunities in the Falklands” following the good progress made by Rockhopper Exploration in their development planning for the Sea Lion prospect oil development and South Falkland Basin where the Leiv Eriksson rig identified a gas condensate discovery.
In a quick reference to the 30th anniversary of the restoration of liberty to the Falkland Islands and its people, Governor Haywood described 2012 as a year of anniversaries. However he pointed out that 2012 also marks the 25th anniversary of the current Falklands fisheries regime.
“Whilst the legacy of the conflict has been political freedom and physical security, which cannot be emphasised too strongly as it is by no means universal in the modern world, the fishery has provided economic security and prosperity”.
Governor Haywood also mentioned that the Falklands have once again been thrust into the international spotlight in recent months as the Argentine Government initiated a huge propaganda exercise designed to press its claim to the Islands in the anniversary year at every opportunity.
However “contrary to the Argentine expectations, this has also provided opportunities for the Falklands to set out the real situation and correct the historical inaccuracies that are being spread. So far this year more than 200 international journalists have visited the Islands and the members of Legislative Assembly have attended more than 30 overseas meetings in support of this effort” underlined Governor Haywood.
Finally the governor said the Falklands’ government will devote considerable resources undertaking its own public relations to make sure that the Islanders' voices are heard and their right to self-determination is promoted.
“We need to make sure that key messages about the Falklands' status, constitutional and legal position, and the overriding determination of the community to remain a British Overseas Territory are fully understood internationally”.
But, insisted the governor “we also need to make sure that as many people as possible are aware that the Falklands have a modern community, a successful economy, a commitment to the highest levels of environmental stewardship and a huge tourist potential”.
Full text of the Governor’s address to the Legislative Assembly
Wednesday 23 May 2012
1. Mr Speaker, the past year has been interesting and challenging for the Falkland Islands. There are a number of reasons for this, some of which I will outline in this address. I will also set out how the Government responded to those challenges and I will outline its future aims and aspirations.
2. The most evident issue locally has been the oil exploration programme. The Ocean Guardian rig left the Islands in January following the completion of a successful 2-year drilling campaign in the North Falkland Basin. Good progress has been made by Rockhopper in progressing their development planning for the Sea Lion development. Focus has now moved to the South Falkland Basin where the Leiv Eriksson identified a gas condensate discovery in the first well. Following this success, the rig is now working on the second well, which was spudded on 11 May.
3. Despite increasingly desperate attempts from our neighbours to deter potential investors, there is significant ongoing interest from major international companies in farming into offshore opportunities in the Falklands. We look forward to future exploration successes. We are also extremely grateful for the unequivocal support from the UK Government for the right of the Falkland Islands Government to licence offshore exploration.
4. The Government is working with private sector to define policies that will encourage and maximise opportunities for local businesses to work with the oil industry. The prospect of oil provides a real opportunity to boost the economic prosperity of the Islands. All necessary are being taken to facilitate future oil production and ensure that the necessary policies, legislation and infrastructure are in place. However, the future of the Islands is by no means dependent on oil. The Government recognises the need to develop other economic opportunities. We will continue to invest, improve and diversify our economy in furtherance of continued financial self-sufficiency.
5. There is increased optimism in the farming community with higher wool and meat prices. This is stimulating investment on farms. The Department of Agriculture and farmers have continued to work together to achieve a balance between meat and wool income. The recently completed upgrades at the Sand Bay Abattoir have allowed processing levels to reach new highs in terms of throughput of animals. The returns to farmers from meat production provide encouragement to farmers to continue the development of the meat side of their businesses.
6. There was a very successful visit by a delegation of Uruguayan business people in February. It is hoped that the contacts made will be developed to provide additional potential for exports and imports.
7. There is also a renewed emphasis on the Rural Development Strategy, which was developed to facilitate economic growth and prosperity for Camp. It should also encourage more people to live and work in Camp. Implementation of the Action Plan, incorporating a potential Rural Enterprise Zone will be pursued enthusiastically in the coming months. The Government has included significant funding in the budget for next year to allow the priorities in the action plan to be pursued.
8. Tourism is now a fundamental part of the economy of the Falklands. The Government facilitated the development of a Tourism Strategy, aimed at increasing the number of tourists and transforming the tourism offer. A key thrust of the Strategy is to increase the number of land-based tourists. To achieve the aims of the Strategy, the necessary infrastructure, quality tourism product and appropriate transport links need to be in place. Progression of the Waterfront Masterplan, redevelopment of the public jetty and the relocation of the Museum will be vigorously pursued in support of the strategic ambitions. The potential for additional airlink capacity will also continue to be pursued.
9. 2012 is a year of anniversaries. It is 30 years since the British Task Force restored liberty to the Falkland Islands and its people. However, 2012 also marks the 25th anniversary of the current Falklands fisheries regime. Whilst the legacy of the conflict has been political freedom and physical security, which cannot be emphasised too strongly as it is by no means universal in the modern world, the fishery has provided economic security and prosperity!
10. It is encouraging that in this 25th anniversary year, the first season Loligo catch reached 34,900 tonnes. This is the highest first season catch for many years and is a good result for our fishing industry. It also highlights the sustainable management of the species and supports our belief that the Falkland Islands fishery is one of the best managed fisheries in the world. It is a testament to our policy of responsible environmental stewardship and sustainable management of our natural resources.
11. This year will also see the long overdue move for the Fisheries Department from the grey containers at FIPASS. The new building being constructed by Morrisons adjacent to the Department of Agriculture will soon be completed. No doubt the Fisheries staff are looking forward to the move!
12. In contrast to many other parts of the world, the Falkland Islands economy is booming and a significant Government surplus was evident last year. This was partly because of additional Government revenues from the oil industry but it was also the result of an excellent year for the fishing industry. Illex squid returned in force, resulting in the highest catches for some years and the current season also looks promising. Whilst the Islands are not immune to the world economy, the Government has substantial reserves which are invested wisely and prudently.
13. One of the major challenges for the future is healthcare. As a modern nation we expect healthcare that is effective but it also needs to be affordable. The health service has received some criticism over the last year. However, a lot of work has been done and is ongoing to overcome the challenges of increased specialisation and ever increasing public demands and expectations. For example, a new surgical and anaesthetic service provider has been appointed that will secure this service for a number of years into the future.
14. In addition, a wide ranging and well publicised review was carried out by the Director of Health and Education into clinical systems and practices across the Health Service. A number of recommendations for improvements were made as a result. The challenge now lies with implementing those changes but the Director is confident that, due to the commitment and hard work he sees from his team on a daily basis, this will be achieved.
15. It is pleasing to note that there are increasing numbers of children coming into the education system. With 44 children starting preschool this year, the increase has been met temporarily by a new facility at Stanley House. Options will be examined for a long term solution for accommodation. There has also been an increase in the number of children being educated in Camp. Commensurate renovation and improvement of Camp schools is underway. A greater use is also being made of IT in Camp education. In addition, it is noteworthy that there has been increasing stability of staff in the Education Service. 50% of teachers are now Falkland Islanders and the vast majority of UK-recruited staff are renewing their contracts.
16. Special Needs provision has been extended through direct recruitment and through links with UK providers. Work is ongoing to formulate a strategy that will facilitate coordinated special needs provision and enhance the lives of vulnerable people generally. It has also been encouraging to see a growing number of young people at the Training Centre undertaking apprenticeships and both in-house and distance learning courses.
17. Standards in secondary education have improved since the last inspection. A concerted focus on self-evaluation has informed school improvement planning and the development of a long term vision for the future of the Community School. The curriculum has been extended with new GCSE subjects being offered that meet the needs of the local economy better. The Heads of both schools have worked hard to create new processes that provide the Education Board with a clear picture of the progress being made. Links with local businesses (such as Cable and Wireless and the Standard Chartered Bank) have also helped to push forward agreed educational objectives and broadened community involvement.
18. This Government remains committed to good governance and reducing bureaucracy. As an example, last year an independent review of the '2008 Review of Government' was commissioned. A 'Review of the Review' report was prepared by Irene Lucas. This contained 19 separate recommendations for improvements to the structure and form of government. Executive Council considered those recommendations last month and accepted the vast majority. Some of the changes, such as the development of a workforce strategy and workforce development plan, will take time to implement but some, including structural changes and simplification of performance management, will be implemented shortly.
19. The past year has seen the achievement of several major Government objectives. Notable amongst these have been the ban on the use of mobile phones while driving; the referendum on the single constituency; the census; the establishment of additional independent legal advice via 'Falkland Islands Legal Services'; the formulation of a revised and updated legal aid scheme; the establishment of the South Atlantic Research Institute and the facilitation of Human Rights training culminating in our first National Action Plan.
20. This Government also remains committed to achieving progress on a range of issues and continuous improvement in the delivery of public services.
21. A framework and approach has been put in place that sets out how Government services will be considered for outsourcing. The first business cases are expected next month and, over the next few months, will look at a range of services including IT, Human Resources, the Post Office and Philatelic Bureau, and Power and Electrical. The private sector has engaged well with the process.
22. Whilst on the subject of outsourcing, the localisation of support services associated with the MOD presence on the Islands remains a priority, in line with the aspirations of the Economic Development Strategy. A Programme Initiation Document has been agreed between the Falkland Islands Government and the Ministry of Defence. Discussions are ongoing to define service requirements and produce implementation plans for the services involved. A Commerce Board has also been established to make sure that the private sector is thoroughly engaged with the process. The process is designed to broaden further the economic base of the Islands whilst reducing costs of defence and freeing up limited resources.
23. A new e-Government Strategy was recently agreed by the Government. This sets out priorities for improvements in IT and information systems and includes the provision of a new internationally focussed web-site. This new web-site will better tell the world the Falkland Islands' story and, in particular, will focus on our economy, our culture and our history. Later this year a new locally focussed web-site will be launched, aimed at improving information and services to local people.
24. There are however difficult challenges which we continue to face in the immediate and longer terms.
25. The most important challenge is to make sure that a strong economy is maintained. Whilst the potential economic benefits that would come with oil production would be welcomed, it is not being anticipated nor is the economy reliant on it. The Economic Development Strategy, or EDS, which was produced in partnership with local businesses, was designed as a roadmap to help in developing the economy. The EDS includes measures to develop existing industries such as fisheries, agriculture and tourism but also includes options for diversification into new sectors and for improving the general economic environment. The Government budget will include significant sums to support investment in the EDS proposals.
26. The challenges we face also include dealing with ongoing attempts by the Government of Argentina to impede certain sectors of our economy. There is increased evidence of companies coming under Argentine pressure and regular reports of illegal interference in certain areas. However, we are confident that these attempts will continue to fail and we have the full backing of the UK Government and international law. Such attempts are inconvenient and frustrating but they are not achieving the objective of an economic blockade. Our focus must remain on our own objectives and we should not be diverted by baseless attempts to derail us. We will continue to concentrate on our own development agenda.
27. The Falkland Islands has once again been thrust into the international spotlight in recent months. The Argentine Government initiated a huge propaganda exercise designed to press its claim to the Islands in this anniversary year. Every opportunity has been taken by its public relations machinery to raise the issue at each and every forum. However, contrary to the Argentine expectations, this has also provided opportunities for the Falkland Islands to set out the real situation and correct the historical inaccuracies that are being spread. So far this year more than 200 international journalists have visited the Islands and the members of Legislative Assembly have attended more than 30 overseas meetings in support of this effort. It is also noteworthy that many locals have been enthusiastically vocal in support, at home and abroad.
28. It has been, and will continue to be, a challenge for the Falkland Islands to resource this effort. Nevertheless, it is a challenge well worth pursuing. The Falkland Islands Government is devoting considerable resources undertaking its own public relations and will continue to do so, to make sure that the Islanders' voices are heard and their right to self-determination is promoted. We need to make sure that key messages about the Island's status, constitutional and legal position, and the overriding determination of the community to remain a British Overseas Territory are fully understood internationally. However, we also need to make sure that as many people as possible are aware that the Falklands have a modern community, a successful economy, a commitment to the highest levels of environmental stewardship and a huge tourist potential.
29. In addition to the headline services already mentioned, the Government has a number of other priorities for the coming months.
30. The review of immigration will continue until we are satisfied that there is a completely fair, transparent and easy to follow system in place; one which balances the needs of a larger labour pool to facilitate economic growth whilst also preserving the Falklands way of life. The appropriate balance needs to be struck between the two to ensure continued diversification of the economy and increased prosperity of the Islands.
31. Localisation of Government jobs remains a priority. New promotion and recruitment procedures are being developed which will enable Falkland Island staff to be identified for development and promotion at an early stage, with the expectation that they will eventually fill senior posts. The Government budget includes £200,000 a year for the Succession Planning and Career Development schemes; very important extensions to the training budget. Unfortunately, the take up on these schemes has been limited so far and it will be a priority to review the eligibility criteria and scheme limitations, to ensure that training budgets are appropriately spent. Notwithstanding this, the 'Darwin 16' initiative was a notable success and demonstrates the Government's commitment to succession planning and developing local talent.
32. The review of telecommunications continues, with the aim of having an effective regulatory regime in place for charges and provision of such services. Appropriate regulatory accounts are now available to the Government and there is a performance quality regime in place. Proposals on charges and service standards are under discussion and should be concluded shortly. The Regulatory Services section will move onto reviewing fuel supplies in the next few months.
33. Transport links are an important part of the Islands' infrastructure; both internally and externally. The Government is investigating a number of possibilities for enhanced airlinks to improve accessibility and allow tourism and the economy generally to develop. Significant budgets have also been included for maintenance and improvement of the Camp road network. A holistic review of the network has been completed which resulted in the production of a highways Asset Management Plan. This will be used to determine priorities for the future.
34. Housing remains a strategic priority for the Government. 7 plots have been made available recently on the Snake Hill/Kent Road site to relieve the immediate pressure. The Government intends to start work on the Sapper Hill site in the forthcoming financial year. Phase 1 will make available 34 additional plots and the development will eventually provide a total of 120 additional plots.
35. The Government's policy priorities for the forthcoming financial year will result in an ambitious legislative programme. This will include:
• Amendments to the Criminal Justice legislation to address various issues including bail, sentencing options, appeals and prosecution time limits;
• Planning legislation to simplify the planning process and allow the public to speak on planning applications and to make more detailed provision for environmental impact statements;
• Legislation to update and improve laws dealing with oil pollution;
• A new FIDC Ordinance to create a new and more effective relationship between the Government and the Development Corporation;
• A new Prison Ordinance to replace the existing very out of date legislation;
• A new Agricultural Returns Ordinance to enable the collection and analysis of essential information to guide policy on this important industry; and
• Further progress on Road Traffic Regulation.
36. In addition, every opportunity will be taken to clarify and bring Falkland Islands' Legislation up to date.
37. Mr Speaker, Falkland Islanders are resilient and resourceful. They are used to standing up for themselves and they are steadfast in their resolve. For nearly two hundred years they have been meeting challenges effectively and they are practical and inventive in finding solutions to those challenges. The Falkland Islands has a modern society with modern aims, expectations and ambitions. The community has high standards and high moral obligations. It deserves a modern, efficient and effective Government to work with. There are some serious challenges ahead, as there are in many parts of the world. However, the Government will continue to work, to provide practical, imaginative and sometimes bold solutions in order that first class services can continue to be provided. This approach will enable the Islands to continue to have the bright future which they deserve.
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Good clear policies on the Falklands which is something argentina should learn from, rather than there Childish attempts of running there own country!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
You have full backing of UK´s weapons and nuclear submarines. That´s all and sadly enought...
the unruly conquerror
for all we know the Economy is a science of based on numbers, discernment,reasoning,judgment......not on babbling.
i can^t comment before seeing the numbers.
“”You have full backing of UK´s weapons and nuclear submarines. That´s all and sadly enought.“”
Really? Do you have something to back that claim up with? International law is on the Falklands side whether you like it or not. Britain has not attacked Argentina or threatened Argentina. So what is the basis of your statement?
“We have the full backing of international law” ??
[Toilet paper more like]
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Falklands’ economy “booming” in spite of Argentina’s efforts of a blockade
Blockade, what blockade,
If you look on google earth, the Argentina navy,
Is blockading an invisible piece of land called Malvinas?,3,000 miles north of the British Falklands .
Or is that just an excuse to keep the mighty argie navy , well out of harms way, in the middle of nowhere, blockading nothing .
Ha ha .
.
189 years and no a 5 stars Luciana Palazzo Hotel like in Comodor0 Rivadavia?
189 years and no an University like in Comodoro Rivadavia?
189 years depending on argentine ports?
189 years and no US $80,000 or US $200,000 apartments like found in my Comodoro Rivadavia?
Keep the islands you know where......
“ International law is on the Falklands side”: Yeah, that´s why the international community keeps supporting Argentina on its claim. Argentina has nothing to claim. Sure.
“Britain has not attacked Argentina or threatened Argentina”: You surprisingly ignore the history of argentinian-british relations.
They probably aren't thinking about Comodoro Rivadavia as it has no relevance. Does it???
What international community is supporting Argentina?
your not going to find facts about history in Argentina, though im sure you produce some lovely fiction books about a certain mystical island with powerful magic and fountains of eternal youth doted in the non-fiction department called “ Islas Malvinas”
it has always been the job of the sword to protect the weak and innocent from vile acts of aggression and bullying
pre 1970s is now irrelevant the past stays in the past, simples
UN general assembly passed the resolution 2065 in 1965 which specifically acknowledged the conflict over the Islands and called upon the both sides to “” proceed without delay“” in negotiations and to refrain from talking unilateral decisions and actions .........
If Argentinas case is so 'legal' then why don't they take the UK to the ICJ?
Oh that's right, used toilet-paper doesn't make for a particularly good basis to prove you're right.
What international law?
What did Argentina do in 1982? It did what the UN asked to avoid. Also, 2065 doesn't mention sovereignty.
What international community? Earth´s.
What relations? Nevermind...
Let me help with some FACTS-
EU on the British position
Commonwealth on the British position
Peru, Brazil, Chile and Mexico officially DO support the Argentine claim over the Falklands and the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.
The vast majority of countries are neutral.
And I'm still curious to what these relations you mentioned are.
Why keep talking about a non-binding resolution your own country violated?
And if that wasn't enough your very country violated UN resolutions when it illegally invaded the Falkland Island's.
It's bizarre in the extreme to try to quote the UN resolutions which no longer exist and which your own country violated.
from a British stand point there is noting to talk about argentina only allows for one way it can end
Argentina continues to poison the minds of there children
Argentina please get your finger of the self-destruct button and please stop jabbing at it and teasing it like its a little toy
kids and there toys cant leave them alone for 5 min :)
The International Law ?....What is it ?
(Iraq...Afghanistan..Libya ... operations ? )
There are “” The Law of Power “” not “” The Power of Law “” in the world.
Bosnia ring any bells?
Afghanistan?
or how about the Falklands in 1982, resolution 502, the BINDING resolution that was ignored.
Now who was it that ignored 502?
The conflict over the Falklands streches further back than and far beyond the war in 1982 and involves an endless list of UN Resolutions (issued and ignored),sovereignty claims , bilateral talks and unilateral actions.
There are “ the law of power” not “ the power of law” in the world.
Why would the Falklanders wish to become part of Argenweener when they have such a great outlook a complete contrast to Argenswines economy.
Read them and WEEP...........
And as I said before, the power of law doesn't always work.
1) a civilian Argentine population was evicted from the Falklands in 1833
2) that the UN supports the Argentine sovereignty claim
3) that the islanders have no right to self determination
All three “facts” are wrong.
1) no civilian population has ever been expelled from the islands
2) the UN encourages negotiation rather than violence, only Argetina has ever ignored this
3) the principle of self determination is enshrined in the UN charters for non-governing territories.
None of colonies can has “ self determination rights” in practice
don^t bring here many samples from Pasific area where have their original peoples...
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& 32
comment (17) says it .......
Just answer that one question as opposed to going off on a odd tangent.
Why does Argentina have a Navy? Or Brazil? Or Uruguay? Are they not militarising the South Atlantic. Why in the hell would Britain want to try and attack South America. Only Argentina could truly make this kind of thing up. Laughable again.
And Max. Check this link out. It states explicitly that all 16 non-governing territories have the right of self-determination. And look who says it. Can you deny this now?
www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/sgsm14122.doc.htm
It was the first claim made by Argentina since 1850.
So for 91 years Argentina didn't think about the Islands except as a source of colonists for the Territory of Santa Cruz in 1877 when Governor Moyano asked various FI famillies to take up land in Santa Cruz to start the sheep farming business. He also married the FI Governor's niece.
Malvinistas take time to read our own history, the real history not the peronist invention which has been used to indoctorinate 3 generations of Argenines.
When England said “should be consulted about the islanders if they agree with the flights,” logically and from England came into contact with the islands for them to say no and so with everything. They try to keep this trap and was discovered years ago that is why Argentina never recognized third party to the dialogue. Why would want an “independence” similar to that of Puerto Rico? Logicamnete so that Argentina can no longer claim and England continue to make their own quietly in the islands under the false “independence.” Of course England knows he can not do, that is why they advocate continuing the “satuo quo” current. The action appears the economic void left no vessels enter malvinas false flag, since the
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/05/24/argentina-accuses-britain-of-provocation/
You repeat the fallacy….:
”The Argentine claim to the Falkland Islands is a fairy tale invented by Perón in 1941 when he believed that Britain would lose WWII.”
I say:
Why don’t you read the history of your own Country instead of repeating the lies of its Opponents?
Ever heard about Luciano Palacios the first Socialist parlamentarian democratically elected in the whole of South America?
Educate yourself……………:
“El derecho de nuestra Argentina a la soberanía de las Malvinas es innegable. A pesar de ello, una de las naciones más poderosas del mundo, abusando de la fuerza, las mantiene en su poder. Es imperioso que el pueblo conozca su derecho. Los argentinos no hemos reverenciado nunca a la fuerza y a la riqueza, sino a la justicia. La justicia fue nuestra empresa. Nuestro país está destinado a iniciar una nueva orientación en la evolución social, que se fundamente en la colaboración y en la solidaridad para superar la competencia que muchas veces tiene carácter brutal; también en la exaltación de los valores humanos para lograr que se sobrepongan al poderío de las cosas. Se ha dicho que las naciones, como entes de razón, sólo se mueven a impulsos de intereses o de conveniencias nacionales: les falta el órgano del corazón y les sobra el instrumento del cálculo. Hay, sin embargo, una excepción en la historia. Es la Argentina.”
Fuente: Alfredo Palacios, Las Islas Malvinas, Buenos Aires, Editorial Claridad, 1934.
www.elhistoriador.com.ar/frases/miscelaneas/alfredo_palacios_sobre_la_soberania_de_las_islas_malvinas.php
www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/media/41738/100107am-haywoodmackiggan.pdf
Garbage! Your translator is spewing out a lot of the aforementioned.Your post does not make sense.
@46 Stink
Typical Argie rewriting of history and building more fantasies on top of the original fantasy history. As a previous poster has discovered Obama is in fact the rightful King of Argentina and should be in the Casa Rosada not the usurper who occupies it now.
For anybody who wants to read how seriously Argentina's claim to the Falklands is taken by it's 'sister nations' in Latin America there is a good article in the current Buenos Aires Herald by Carolina Barros ;A Rock and ghost ships.A precis of this is that they take it as seriously as Argentina took the posession of YPF by Repsol.The way she puts it is so funny it had me in stitches.It is the funniest article I have read in a long time.
I hope KFC reads it over her breakfast.
The best thing is just to ignore them!
As for Nigel Haywood, the Falklands Governor, he seems to be a very calm and competent administrator. In fact, Haywood is someone Argentina could do with these days, instead of La Campora's darling, Kristina Kirchner, who lives a deluded life, supported by deluded people.
Argentina is getting extremely irritating. When they do finally push too far, and somebody gets hurt, we should retaliate wholly disproportionately and end this once and for all.
But - yes - you have a problem I think! - Arg says this organisation does not exist!! So I guess there will never be flights then.
I should mention that we have medical care and education covered, thank you and Argentine control of air access will not appeal to us.
This brits here are mentally retards!
uk WILL NOT GO to the ICJ,for conflicts prior to 1974...
BTW,why uk declined to go to a court of justice:in 1884 and 5 times after,when invited by Argentina???
ICJ is part of the UN..
10 UNGA res favoring the Argentine case.....30 C-24.....
uk IS FINISHED,rogue nation...
The Falkland Islands are not a colony but Argentina would like to make it one.
It's not a colony it's a protectorate that wouldn't need protecting if it wasn't for argentina.
My family has lived in the Falkland Islands for 172 years, we didn't displace an indigenous population and yet Argentina says we have no rights when it comes to deciding our future.
We've looked again at our claim to the Falkland Islands and have decided that we have been a bit silly, to say the least. Clearly claiming British territory that has been occupied by generations for hundreds of years is not acceptable behaviour from a civilised nation in the 21st century.
Claiming land we have never owned on the basis of a Papal decree from 1494 which divided the Southern hemisphere up between Spain and Portugal, and to which Britain was never a signatory, was very stupid of us.
Regarding the pirate Luis Vernet who was operating from the Falkland Islands before his and his gang's expulsion in 1833. Clearly this does not give us any serious legal or moral claim to ownership of those islands. What were we thinking?
The fact that the Falkland Islands are nearer to us than they are to London is plainly a ridiculous point to make, and to be honest we are quite embarrassed that we even mentioned this in the first place.
We unreservedly apologise for our harassment of the Falkland Islanders, our aggressive actions and attempted blockades. We are particularly sorry for our sneak invasion in 1982 and for the deaths that occurred as a result.
We will make no further claims on any British territories including the Falkland Islands. We will immediately remove all claims to these Islands from our Constitution and all references to the fictitious 'Islas Malvinas' from our school reference books, and we will stop indoctrinating our children.
We know we made a similar agreement in 1850, but when it looked like Britain might be defeated by the Nazis in 1941 this seemed like a good time to tear up the agreement and have another grab. We got a bit enthusiastic about the initial success of the Nazis and decided to take advantage of the situation, that was very wrong of us, sorry.
Obviously we are a very poor nation, so we cannot hope to repay the United Kingdom for the losses of life and property we
Love and kisses
CFK
P.P. Argentina
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/101675/war-against-the-blue-greenback-
I have never laughed so hard in my life. Yes, Britain is a rogue nation, it is in the same category as North Korea, Iran and Venezuela. You have to love how the Argentines just discredit themselves.
please copy and send to CFK ,
and please [if you are still ablt to]
let us know her reply, please .
Argentina didn't ask for any arbitration over the Falkland Islands between 1850 and 1941. In 1941, Peron invented the myth of the Falkland Islands belonging to Argentina, to divert gullible people such as yourself from the fact that he was robbing you all blind.
The UK has on 3 seperate occasions offered to take the sovereignty issue of the Falklands to the International Court of Justice, and 3 times Argentina has refused.
No only that, but when Argentina has gone to arbitration over other disputes (i.e. the Beagle Channel dispute with Chile), you refuse to abide by the findings of the court, stating that their rulings aren't applicable in Argentina. This is despite Argentina signing up to the UN charter, which makes ICJ rulings binding on members.
Now I know that things are rough in Argentina, that your money is practically worthless, that there are strikes almost daily, that inflation is going through the roof, and there are power cuts and food shortages, but that's the fault of YOUR government.
The Falkland Islands Government is a successful government who is increasing the wealth of their nation with their innovative and 'inclusive' economic policies.
If they keep growing like this, and getting richer, it won't be too long before the have the ability to become a completely independant nation in their own right, should they wish to do so. I mean, people will emigrate to where the money is. You'll have oil workers, business executives and their families moving there, some of whom will no doubt decide to stay.
So the Falklands will end up having an emigration boom, increasing their population, which in turn will increase their economy and improve their society, to include things like hospitals, college's and a university, and encourage foreign companies to invest there.
Poor Argentina will be left out in the cold because like most bullies you can't play nice.
Trolls please read this document.
on the other hand we KNOW they killed and slaughtered to original inhabitents of south america,
but hold on,,its not there fault, it was the spoannish .
And there was me thinking it was the Brits - after all we are responsible for everything else
The truth is that most of the Argentines who post on here don't understand that you can't put a price on liberty and freedom. Britain surely must have some other reason for protecting the Falklands?
They believe that the only interest the UK has in the islands is the oil. They can't connect the fact that 30yrs ago no one knew about the oil and Britain still liberated the islands, despite the fact that there was no financial gain. So in their twisted conspiracy theory minds they believe we knew about the oil all along (ever since 1833 - before petroleum had become a world must energy source) and that's why we want the islands and e erythronium since then has been a waiting game until we had the technology to extract the oil.
Some of the Argie trolls on here have amusing beliefs, but with rather dark undertones. When it was mentioned to one of them that there had been no native inhabitants of the Falklands and that in comparison Argentina had 'ethnically cleansed' the native population of Argentina, they replied with 'well it was only 300,000 of them! Plus these natives had fought against the Argentines who were stealing their land and thus deserved to be exterminated!
It really does beggar belief! But should be taken at face value. The Argentines refuse to accept that the ethnic cleansing was wrong or even happened (in some cases), documents found after the liberation showed us exactly what the Argentines planned to do to the Falkland Islanders (ethnically cleanse them), which shows that they can't be trusted - EVER.
They have no respect for human life, no respect for human rights and no respect for international law!
You see, only 300 miles away from my Patagonia and this islanders prefers to live a primitive life, no monies, no class. They don't have the intellegency to develop their own land. Yaaaaaak!.....
@11 V for Victory(#)
Not revelance? Most people I know wants the best land development regardless of the location.
In the year 2012, modernization is a must to enjoy the best of life: the best education, the best medical facilities, the best transportation, the best food markets, the best clothes, the best hotels, the best airlines services,etc.
Only slow minded people likes to remain in the same primitive lands.
Most Patagonians like me like to see modern development which favors the real estate prices. The price of a 13 rooms house in San Martin de los Andes worth US$3,500,000. Most of all Patagonian land and buildings worth millons of dollars.
@74Briton(#)
You Jack the Ripper accusing others of “killing”?
Get lost coward! You are Skare of saying your real name.
Susana Brown
It is the same behaviour of bullies everywhere. Whenever they see someone with something better than what they have, they always want to take it from them.
All Argentinians are interested is 'how much' something is costing, and 'how much' they can get for it.
SussieUS if the Falklands really are that primitive why is Argentina SO desperate to gain control over them? I'll tell you why, it's because they see the islands as a cash cow, something that will keep giving money.
Brag all you want about Patagonia, but the Argentine economy is teetering on the edge, and will one day, very soon tip into the abyss of financial oblivion, leaving you money worthless, people starving on the streets, with no jobs, no power and no hope.
Meanwhile 300 miles away, the Falkland Islanders will be cracking open the Champagne and celebrating their liberty, freedom, right to determine their own future and their new found wealth.
The Telegraph
24 May 2012
“Britain's recession is deeper than previously thought..”
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/9286929/UK-economy-shrinks-more-than-expected-on-fall-in-construction-output.html
Dear Chanchi
Mr Eduardo explained that to you already, you can read it below again.
I know you make treats to him after you read it because you couldn't handle the truth.
“This “1850 Convention of Settlement” so often mentioned in here.A little
”detail” jumps in front of my eyes...Is it not true that between 1845 and
1849 Britain and France, the two greatest superpowers of the world at the time,
blockaded, attacked and tried to topple the Argentinean government and invaded
Uruguay?At least that is what your own “Westminster Review”
says:“For nearly four years we kept a squadron there, seldom consisting of
less than a dozen ships, to cooperate with the similar force mantained by the
French; yet, after all our trouble and lavish expenditure, we concluded a treaty
in 1849, which was only a diplomatic avowal of the failure of our intervention.”
Westmister review, page 165”
87 - Have a butchers at the above link, will explain why RG's wont take this to court.
Reason, because they are telling fibs, big fat ones like Maximos @ss.
No claim on the islands as we have all been saying.
May 24th, 2012 - 04:29 pm
That comment was totally irrelevant. The Arana-Southern Settlement was signed to terminate the hostilities between Argentina and Britain. The fact is that the Treaty settled all outstanding problems between Argentina and Britain, which is why it was called “The Treaty of Perfect Friendship.”
Isn't the “Westminster Review” good enough for you?
Educate yourself.
Why are you so Skare in not saying your name?
I don't have nothing to hide.
My Argentina is not “desperate” for the islands.
Most of all former and future argentine presidents have the rights to claim the islands if they want. Take it or live it.
I don't want the islands and I don't want to see any english citizen residing in my country.
Where is you PM Cameron? The diplomatic relationship between the 2 countries are broken.
The abusive words made by the Penguin News against the argentinian leader and the abusive words made by several viewers against the argentine president cannot be excused. The argentine goverment also follows all comments posted in the internet.
Nobody scare this argentinian.
Say you name and location is you are really brave.
Susana Brown
I think you need to educate yourself. The Westminster Journal was a periodical, you know, A MAGAZINE. If you had been around then, you could have published a letter in it. You are not mixing up your Westminsters are you?
@10 The international community does nothing of the sort. Just your imagination. List the occasions when Britain has attacked argieland.
@17 For about the 5,000th time, UNGA resolutions are NON-BINDING!
@28 There is NOTHING in the last 247 years that gives argieland any rights in respect of the Falkland Islands!
@36 Drivel!
@43 Illiterate drivel!
@50 No. It's always nice winding them up. Occasionally, we get to remind them who the big boys are.
@57 There's nowhere called “Malvinas”. And there's no place called “Longon” either.
@58 But isn't this “conflict” current? UK didn't decline to go to a court of justice in 1884. It declined to submit to the arbitration of an argie stooge. And you can shove your NON-BINDING UN resolutions through your rectum.
Now here is a thought for all intelligent people. (Max, Islas Malvinas, SussieUS, marcio, Think, Marcos Alejandro - this is not for you.)
I have had a horrifying thought. Like the majority of the population of this planet, I have no idea whether there is intelligent life somewhere else in the Universe. But I think it inconceivable that we should be the only ones. Suppose they're on their way? There always seems to be a perception of them landing on the White House lawn. Suppose they landed in South America? Suppose they landed in argieland? What would their impression be of the human race? Surely this means that the world must unite to get the argies under control? Should they be dispersed? Committed to mental institutions? Perhaps we should deprive them of all post-18th century technology? Who has reasonable solutions?
Well done: ”You Jack the Ripper accusing others of “killing”?
This time you managed NOT to confuse it with Raspberry Ripple. BTW that is an ice cream!
And of course Briton is Jack the Ripper, he is at least (20 + 2012 - 1888 = 144) years old.
He Briton, we can have your 145 th Birthday Party next year. :o)
There you are SussieUS, who says that Brits can't be as stupid as you? The only problem is we have to work at it. LOL
” It is not clear to me that we have ever possessed the sovereignty of all these islands. The convention certainly goes no farther than to restore to us Port [Egmont], which we abandoned nearly sixty years ago. If our right to the Falkland Islands had been undisputed at that time and indisputable, I confess that I should doubt the expediency of now taking possession of them. We have possession of nearly every valuable post and colony in the world and I confess that I am anxious to avoid to excite the attention and jealousy of other powers by extending our possessions and setting the example of the gratification of a desire to seize upon new territories”
Dear Chanchi
Did you forget English?
The real Brits in here don't like nor understand that evil language.
You can't handle the truth.
Before the war, kelpers were very poor and discriminated from Britain. After the war, all of them became full british citizens.
The Dispute is between Argentina and Britain. How can british people (falkland islanders) support the right of Self-determination????? Self determination applies to native population. NOT YOU, KELPERS!
I think you are trapped in a time warp. He is not our own PM. Camron is our PM. Wellington was Primeminster 200 years ago!!!!!!
He was the greatest general of is age.
In 1818, Wellington was given a post in Lord Liverpool's Tory government. In 1827, he became commander in chief of the British army, but in 1828 reluctantly accepted the post of prime minister. He believed in strong, authoritative government and an isolationist policy, although he antagonised sections of his party by forcing through the Catholic Emancipation Act (1829). His opposition to parliamentary reform made him unpopular, and he earned the nickname of the 'Iron Duke' when he erected iron shutters on the windows of his London home, Apsley House, to prevent them being smashed by angry crowds.
His political career however, was not has distinguished as his military career.
Duke of Wellington
” It is not clear to me that we have ever possessed the sovereignty of all these islands. The convention certainly goes no farther than to restore to us Port [Egmont], which we abandoned nearly sixty years ago”
Hahahaha from someone with a english name “Susana Brown” sounds retard!,
If you are going to quote primeministers, I prefer this extract of a speech from a more contemporary UK Primeminister.
I must tell the House that the Falkland Islands and their dependencies remain British territory. No aggression and no invasion can alter that simple fact. It is the Government's objective to see that the islands are freed from occupation and are returned to British administration at the earliest possible moment.
Margaret THATCHER. Speech to the House of Commons.
Saturday 3rd of April, 1982.
I saying that I am brave argentinian.
What are your trying to say?
Once again you insult,
Are you so badly educated that you have to deride poor old jack,
As this jack, much have saved your life, so you can start the game again, only this time 4,000 miles west.
And 144 years later,
If that is the level of vocabulary, then I would rather talk to a corps,
avows young avows .
The fact is you are bloody rubbish english person. Can you tell me how many years and who start it calling you old bloody rubbish english people... Here in the US I hear it all the time...
KFC: mine, mine, mine all mine
UN spokesman: please be quite now
KFC: No! its mine, all mine, i wants it my precious. wants it i do!
UN spokesman: Can anyone find her bi-polar medicine & why is she foaming at the mouth?
this is an english only site,
speak in english, or dont post
english only .
Primeminister.
“Early this morning in Port Stanley, 74 days after the Falkland Islands were invaded, General Moore accepted from General Menendez the surrender of all the Argentine forces in East and West Falkland together with their
arms and equipment. In a message to the Commander-in-Chief Fleet, General Moore reported:
”The Falkland Islands are once more under the Government desired by their inhabitants. God Save the Queen.”
Margaret THATCHER Speech to the House of Commons.
14th June, 1982
at least some bits of the world are still civilised .
As for the rest of your post it's utter bollocks.. You are saying that Argentina has the right to steal someone else's property, on the basis of a bunch of lies, that don't hold water anywhere in the world except in your deluded minds.
Argentina can certainly try to take the Falkland Islands by force, just like you did in 1982, but I wouldn't expect a happy ending if I were you.
You are the worst kind of person, SussieUS. You spit on the country in which you currently reside and whose freedoms you enjoy, while at the same time you extols the virtues of a de facto dictatorship that's on the brink of economic ruin where you don't reside, and therefore don't have to face the consequences of Argentina's economic problems.
As for the Americans hating the English, some do, most don't. I have travelled extensively in the US and never found anyone who was less than welcoming, if act most seemed genuinely pleased to talk with someone from the UK. I have served along side US marines and soldiers, and I have found them to be brave and friendly souls, with no animosity towards the UK.
No doubt, you and the rest of the 'English' haters huddle together to talk about your 'hatred', then after the English you talk about the evil Imperialist American pigs dogs, who you also hate, but rely on for your civil rights.
You are a hypocrite.
Whose sending a nuclear sub? The British government neither denies or confirms this story published in 'the Sun', a newspaper that is usually as accurate as the President of Argentina. LOL
If a nuclear powered sub is on the way to the South Atlantic it will only be in response to the continuing harassment and growing aggression coming out of the mouths of your politicians.
Your politicians are getting very desperate now, and may try something supremely stupid to divert you all from the fact that Argentina is going to hell in a hand basket. If the threat that a nuclear powered sub may or may not be in the area stops your government sacrificing your young men in a suicidal (and illegal) attack, then all the better.
However, good news for the Falklands economy. Keep it up! :0)
I saying that I am brave argentinian.
Brave how?
Are you perhaps in the military, allowing youre kin people to sleep safe in there beds at night?
Perhaps a firefighter rushing into burning buildings to snatch a babie from its cot and getting out the door just as the building explodes?
Maybe a police officer fighting criminals on every street corner so that people can go about there there business freely.
If i havent guessed correctly perhaps you would be so good to tell me why youre so brave?
Why do you believe anything Wellington said. He was just a lying pirate. Everyone knows Napolean was victorious at Waterloo and the Argies have a legitimate claim to the Falklands.
Canny read da ling old boy,
Sorry,
123 SuzzіeUS
Sorry miss, but we cant understand you,
Hang on a mo, I will ask,
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HELP PLEASE can some one interpret what this little girl is saying, she obviously can’t speak English, has anyone got any ideas as to what she is saying,
I can only pick up bits like,
Suzy Wong/love you long time / 2 dollar,
Can anyone know what she is saying?
Poor child, it cant be easy, not speaking English .
.
Here's something that might help you. Put aside your stupid racist stereotypes. Then try to act like an adult.
You obviously miss your home in Patagonia, so why no move back there? Return to the fold, where you will be poorer, but infinitely a happier person.
You see, all your rage directed at the 'English' (I wonder why you don't have a problem with Wales or Scotland, since both the Welsh and Scots Guards were involved in the liberation of the islands - the Irish Guards were upset they missed all the action), and the rage you direct against the USA, is all because of your guilt feelings of abandoning your home country.
I'm sure they're willing to greet you with open arms, and special dogs, who will sniff out all your hard earned greenbacks, to go into Cristina's, er I meant, governments coffers.
You're jealousy of the success of the Falklanders compared to the train wreck that is Argentina is blatantly obvious.
Remember that envy is one of the 7 deadly sins, along with greed (gluttony).
“Here is another extract from a speech made by a contemporary British
Primeminister”
PM Tony Blair
“Saddam Hussein's regime is despicable, he is developing weapons of mass destruction, and we cannot leave him doing so unchecked. He is a threat to his own people and to the region and, if allowed to develop these weapons, a threat to us also.”
In the Commons, April 2002.
Tony Blair, the man
“I think most people who have dealt with me, think I'm a pretty straight sort of guy, and I am.”
PM Cameron
“If a confusing picture has emerged over the last few days, I am very sorry about that. I think my staff have had to answer a lot of questions about horses.”
WTF! Sorry but I rather read that old PM quote instead
Duke of Wellington
” It is not clear to me that we have ever possessed the sovereignty of all these islands. The convention certainly goes no farther than to restore to us Port [Egmont], which we abandoned nearly sixty years ago”
@99 It's not a language. Pig grunts.
@101 Not my PM. He died in 1852. Remember how argies tell us that that invasion and war in 1982 was nothing to do with them. It was “the Junta”. The Duke of Wellington has nothing to do with me. He's been dead for 160 years.
@102 Peronist garbage!
@109 There is no such thing as a “brave” argentinean. Did you notice that 11,313 of your “brave” compatriots surrendered to less than half that number of British soldiers in 1982?
@113 But then you're a sh*te argie. Here in the UK that's all we hear “Sh*te argies”. Now tell us more about yourself. Pole dancer, lap dancer or just on street corners?
@119 We're very sorry about the nuclear submarine. Unfortunately, we don't have any other type. All our submarines are nuclear-powered. You may find that the United States (proper Americans, not second-class gutter-lickers) has a similar situation. We have progressed beyond the early 20th-century technology you are still using.
@123 I knew it! The condom coast. You're a pro, aren't you? A hooker. A whore. A slag. Bet you can tuck your ankles behind your ears as well. Never know what the paying customers will want. How are you on “deep throat”? And your “apartment” is worth 3 million pesos. Who bought that for you? Special customer. Tell us about your “specials”. How many guys at a time? 3? 4? 6? Or do you operate by the hour? You are in illustrious company. CFK is a slag. How proud you must be to have such a role model. I've heard she does an incredible deep throat blow job and takes it in the butt as well. Do you do that? Is that how you got the 3 million pesos? But you can be honest on here. We are all your friends. It's actually 3 thousand pesos, isn't it? About £250. But don't let us keep you. Must be time to get out and turn a few tricks. Working girls, eh?
@126 But you're a brain-dead argie, aren't you? You should get together with Suzzie. Blow-job time! Chill!
www.mediafire.com/view/?c4mn3cd8sb4mc1i
Also they signed an agreement in 1850 - Don't they remember this?
It's obvious to me that your admiration for old nosey knows no bounds.
You may find some more articles about him in old issues of the the Westminster Review, which you could also put to good use. You might even find contributors to that august publication, that support Argentinas claim. Shame they have been dead for over a century.
You could always find an Argentinian Phsycic to communicate with him, I believe he had a knowledge of Spanish. You might aswell, you have used everything else to support your silly claim to the Islands.
“ You could always find an Argentinian Phsycic to communicate with him, I believe he had a knowledge of Spanish. You might aswell, you have used everything else to support your silly claim to the Islands.”
Classic. :0)
l say, bore it into them on every occasion that we can.
They want the Falklands because:-
1)they need to recover their pride(arrogance)from 1982.
2)the Oil.
3)the Falklands are a base to control the sea-route between South America & Antarctica.
4)the Falklands & South Georgia could be used as bases to exploit Antarctica(when the ice melts!).
5)the Falklands could be used to protect the Nazi base in Antarctica!
Only Joking with #5!
As they know that they will NEVER get the Falklands, the frustrations must be building up to boiling point!
However their “incursions” should be dealt with promptly.
Next time one of their military planes enters our airspace, it should be shot down.
Stop pussyfooting around with them.
I would prefer to discuss the issue sensibly, however some people on here have a penchant for producing imbecilic arguements. What is relevant, about a Georgian periodical, or a long since dead Georgian politician, to todays issues.
This could all be settled if they abided by UN resolutions or took it to the International courts. They will not of course because they know that today, here in the 21C, they would lose. Every civilised member of the UN knows that the Right to Self Determination is enshrined in the UN Charter. If they do not like it, they should leave. They would not be missed.
Nice posting on the San Carlos Memorial story. Respectful and dignified.
there also good lying, believing their own lies, there good at trying to play the bully of SA too. oh and also brainwashing little children ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_of_the_Malvinas ) and that annoys me the most
it all good for the british ,
and bad for CFK deluded indocrinoughts , it seems .
still it could be worse,
you could have had suzzy as your leader , lolol.
I have real doubts that SussieUS is in fact a woman. She writes like a black male who does that funy spinning on the floor and talking gibberish (gangsta is it?). The gangsters I know are very smartly dressed and have minions to do the 'work' for them, if you know what I mean.
“you are all bloody english rubbish init”
See what I mean.
Still you have to laugh, I think she is so funny. :o)
@136 - Tabutos. Bizarre song. What worries me most is the reference to the 'Fatherland' - definite Nazi overtones there.
It's strange that in the UK we have a 'motherland', a land that nurtures and encourages us. In comparision just what does a 'fatherland' teach? How to play ball? Certainly not in the case of Argentina - they never play by the rules and sulk when they lose.
It seems to me that 'motherlands' produce far more rational people than 'fatherlands' do. ;-)
@138 and 139, poor SuzzieUS suffer from masssive guilt for abandoning her beloved Patagonia for a life of luxury in the USA. This means that she overcompensates in her protection of the 'fatherland', and hits out randomly at British and Americans.
Poor thing should return to Patagonia, where she can be happy in her poverty as Argentina crumbles around her.
@124 Briton
Why you like to hide your real name, location and telephone? Real men are not scare of women....
@125 LePrecon (#)
I do not see you donation to the islanders 189 years of poverty....
@139 ChristR (#)
There is no word in any language that will humilliate this argentinian.
On the oher hand, i hope haywood told all the journalists who visited the islands in the last years, about the rejection of the u. k and the general assembly to resume the negotiations respecting the sovereignty of the islands, which is the main problem. At the same time that they reject to discuss about the sovereignty with arg., and claim for the application of the right to self determination for the islanders, the u. n has always cotinued considering the malvinas-falkland cause like a particular colonial sitation, and has never invoked the right to self detetermination for this case, like it did for others colonial situations. I hope heywood told the journalists about all these questions.
Anyway i dont deny that maybe the right to self determination is applicable for the islanders, but i have always thought too that the u. k, and the assembly from the islands make a wrong interpretation about the resolutions from the u. n. None resolution neather expressed that the sovereignty must be discussed only if the islanders wish it, nor asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., it means that if the islanders want to remain under british government, nobody change that, but it doesn't mean that we can't find a peaceful and fair solution for the sovereignty which is the main problem. Beside, the general assembly from the islands parrots that the only outcome for arg., is that the sovereignty is totally transfered to arg., but at the same time, they reject to dicuss about the sovereignty, and claim for the right to self detemination, so, they are doing exactly the same than what they criticise from the argentine posture.
Such is the contempt that Argentina shows toward the UN.
Self-determination for Non-Governing nations (ie the encouragement of independence),was stated as recently as February 2012 by the UN Secretary General. I will find the link and copy it as it has been posted several times along with the inaccuracies in the Argentines presentation to the UN in 1964.
Axel, sweet,we have nothing to talk about.
We have a peaceful solution.
The Falklands are ours & they are NOT yours & NO, we ARE NOT going to talk about it.
lts just too bad for you that you don't like the truth.
Just go away, Axel & fix your own broken country & stop trying to steal ours.
charming lady, such nice language, there are lots of Argentine girls like you working in the mining towns in northern Chile these days.
I could make some introductions for you.
Thank you for your support.
But it doesn't bother me what Susanah said.
l've heard that sort of bad language before & sometimes used it myself.
l understand her frustrations(mental, not physical!)
The malvinistas desperately want our lslands, especially now that there may be oil, but cannot see how they can get them.
Of course they never will!
@145 SussieUS,
What a load of incoherent drivel.
When you have no answer, out come the insults.
Don't warn me about anything or you may get burned.
We don't want your mismanaged shambolic country.
And you are the odious one.
l think l'm pretty well balanced & l don't think l'm crazy but l can be wild under the right circumstances.
l am not a slut but l can be one when my partner wants me to.
So you see, dear Soozy, your infantile insults count for nothing.
Hows your love life, madame? As full of frustrations as your country's colonialist ambitions?♥
“”I warn you leave Argentina alone...argentinians do not need the UK. “”
I don't recall us bothering Argentina. Would you care to elaborate?
I am sure the Argentinians are not to keen on having you back!
I totally agree with you .
140 LEPRecon
She is but a child, and will be treated as such
. 141 SussieUS
Yes little one, yes we know,
Now of to bed little one .
142 axel arg
Come and get your little sister,
She is crying again .
Poor little one .
.
If you think that only argentina omits information or distorts historic facts, that shows that you are just buying your own mendacious propaganda. I have never believed in our official history, that's why i investigate, i made two exhaustive surveys about the historic and the legal aspects of the conflict, where i took into account the british arguments too. Like it or not, both parts tell only what is convenient for them, that's why we must investigate. Anyway, i have always thought that some of you aren't neather ignorant nor stupid, you are just hipocrite, and i'll explain why.
Firstly, beyond what the article of our constitution says respecting our claim, the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., all the resolutions just call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations, and find a fair solution, it means that if the islanders want to remain under british government, we can't change that, but it doesn't mean that we can't find a fair solution for the sovereignty, which is the main problem. On the other hand, at the same time that you argue that the only one outcome for us is the transference of sovereignty to arg., since 1982 you have always said that you are dispossed to dicuss about different issues with arg., but not the sovereignty, and have always asked for the application of the right to self determination for the population from the islands, so, thats' the only one outcome that you would accept. So, you are doing exactly the same than what you criticise from the argentine posture. Regarding resolution 2065, despite the criminal war of 1982, which the genocide argentine dictatorship started, the u. n continued calling the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a fair solution. Anyway, i dont deny that our country didn't act correctly some times after 1982, but if you reject to discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, thats' not acting correctly either.
At this moment it time, there is a more pressing argument and injustice that needs investigating,
You say
You investigate,
Then please will you investigate 145 SussieUS
Thank you.
.
It isn't a problem. The Falkland Islanders, (ie not The UK Government or Argentina), decide the sovereignity of their own country. If we are going to have this stupid assertion by the Argentines that they own the Islands then let's look at who first settled Ushaia (apologies for spelling)=the British. It was Falkland Islanders who settled in Patagonia before the Argentines did so perhaps the Falkland Islanders should put a counter claim (based on the same principles the Argentines use) for Patagonia?
Boycott Argie Malbec
www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Argie-Malbec/369568409759454
That should definitely be one of the bargaining chips that Argentina brings to the “negotiating” table(if we ever decide to “negotiate”!)
So, Argentina, in return for what you want, we want sovereignty over parts of Patagonia.
Mmmmmmmm Sta Cruz & Chubut wil do for a start.
Why not? We were there before you. You are implanted squatters.
May 26th, 2012 - 11:17 pm
The first sheep farmers in the territory of Santa Cruz were Falkland Islanders brought over by Governor Moyano in 1877, most of those famillies are still in the Province today.
“”5)the Falklands could be used to protect the Nazi base in Antarctica!
Only Joking with #5!“”
Gday Isolde... I've just got back from the bush where once again I only had the BBC african service for company....
However I did get 'Radio Exterior Argentino' or whatever they call it broadcasting in German.... and they were giving the weather for the Falklands..... must be for the Argie Nazis in New Swabia.....
BRITON: I dont know what you mean when you say that i should investigate about 145sussyus, explain me please.
PETE: You are just using the tipical ignorant comparison that is usually argued by planty of you, when you debate about our rights on the islands.
Firstly, our rights are no based only on the fact that the small garrison that there was in the islands, was expelled by john onslow when he took possession of the islands in the name of the british crown. Our rights are based also on the sussession of states, which is very complicated to explain it here, but the point is that the case has strong and weak aspects for both parts of the conflict, which must analysed deeply.
Respecting the occupation of patagonia, it's true that some of the first populators from puerto deseado (santa cruz), or gaiman (chubut) were british, but it's very ignorant to argue that the u. k might claim sovereign rights over those territories just because the first populators came from the u. k., because those settlements weren't made in the name of the british crown, they were just two of the planty settlements that we have around the country. But in the case of the garrison that was locatted in the islands in 1833, was made in the name of the state, in fact in 1829 our government had created the politic and militar command of the malvinas islands.
Respecting the sovereignty problem, every people have right to think whatever they want, but if we have unless one line of intellectual honesty, we can't ignore that the main problem is the sovereignty, which must be discussed. Beside, if you can reject the resolutions, it's not because you care so much about the right to self determination for the islanders, you can reject them because the u. k is one of the members of the security councill with right to veto, no more, if it was a periferic nation, it woudn't be able to do it. So, leave hipocresy behind please.
Sovereignty does NOT have to be discussed & it WILL NOT be!
l hope you're now clear on this point, Axel.
And you have NO RIGHTS in the Falklands
The rest of your post is just drivel.
Your post, while interesting, is full of inaccuracies and assumptions.
In the 19th century whatever land you could take and hold, and other's couldn't defend was yours by right of conquest, especially uninhabited territory. This is why the Americas were settled. If the native inhabitants could have fought off all the colonists I'm sure they would have, and we wouldn't have South or North American countries.
The succession of states doesn't apply to the Falklands, as the Spanish had already dropped their claim to the islands around 1746 (ish), Argentina didn't exist for nearly 100 years following this date - so no right of 'succession of states apply. It's interesting that Argentina also believe that this 'succession of states' also includes large parts of Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay. Didn't these countries get anything in this succession since they were also Spanish colonies? Plus Argentina or rather the United Provinces, didn't receive formal recognition of independence until 1816.
So the rule of succession is a load of bollocks, and if you read the text, doesn't include the Falklands (under any name).
The UP tried its luck in 1832, by illegally setting up a penal colony. This colony failed within 3 months. The British had already sent a protest to the UP government telling them to remove the illegal garrison or face the consequences.
Those consequences were the removeal of the illegal colony - the legal colony set up by Vernet was allowed (even encouraged) to stay.
All you think you know about the Falklands issue is a pack of lies made up by Peron and his cronies, and constantly rehashed by subsequent inept Argentine governments.
But even if your version of 1833 were true, it still wouldn't hold up today, as the British would have won it through conquest (just like the Spanish won S America through conquest).
Sovereignty is not an issue - they're British territory for as long as the Islanders want to them to be. Endex.
LEPREcon: If you think that only our side omits information respecting the historic aspects of this dispute, it shows that you are just buying easily the mendacious propaganda of your country. I have never believed in our official history, that's why i investigate, in fact i made two exhastive investigations about the historic and the legal aspects of this conflict, where i included the british arguments too. Beside, like i said in my last comment, the case has strong and weak aspects for both countries, which must be analysed deeply. Your problem, is that most you think that only you are right, thats' why you argue all the time about the lies or the omissions of my country, and never make any critic for the lies, distortions and omissions that your side commits too.
Spain had governed the islands untill 1811, after that year it retired it forces, and never claimed for the archipelago again, untill 1816, the islands were submitted to the spanish viceroalty like all the rest of our country, but when spain left the archipelago it never clamed again for the islands. Our country made it's first act of occupation in 1820, it was published in the times in 1821, and the u. k didn't do any protests. The succession of states is applied to all the emancipated colonial territories. So, our coutry had right to occupy them. Anyway, according to a secret article that had been incorporated in the notka sound convention of 1790, let britain to stablish settlements when another power stablishes a settlement, so, if the U. P. had stablished a settlement, maybe the u. k had right to do it too. But it had no right to deprive our authorities from the archipelago. On the other hand, the u. k can't invoke the acquisitive prescription. There is a lot more to say, but i have no so much characters.
ISOLDE: It's just a waste of time to discuss with you about the sovereignty, you have such a closed mind, and won't never accept that you are not acting correctly either.
The point is that is wasn't Spanish territory to cede to the UP (which they never did - Argentine lies). It was British territory.
And talking of a lapse in protests, why didn't Argentina protest British sovereignty in the intervening years between 1850 and 1941? That alone shows that Argentina accepted British Sovereignty for 90 years. So talking about lapsed claims that has to be the biggest evidence against Argentina.
But regardless of all the arguements, they're all irrelevant because the United Nations charter states that all people have the right to self determination, and since the people of the Falkland Islands have already made their feelings on sovereignty known, just what does Argentina hope to gain?
Self-determination - the right to choose your own destiny, and Argentina's claims are over a century old. No court of law in the world would back that claim given that the Falklanders have established their own community and culture, and have been in continuous residence of the Islands for 9 generations.
The people of the Falklands have their own government, culture, laws and economy. They are completely independent in everything except defence and foreign policy.
I foresee that they will one day be able to handle their own foreign policy matters and perhaps even their own defence. On that day they may choose full independence from Britain, but that won't mean that Argentina can automatically claim sovereignty, as they will be come the newest nation on earth.
Why does that bother you so much? Why do you wish to oppress these people against their will, depriving them of their liberty? And what is Argentina claim based upon? A 3 month illegal occupation by a failed penal colony. Pathetic.
Not only did Argentina (UP) lose possession in 1833 following it's illegal occupation, you also relost it in 1982 following that illegal occupation.
By international law that means that you have no claim.
Wrong. Not that this has any bearing on the Falklands, but 1816 is the official signing of independence by all the provinces, has nothing to do with anyone recognizing us... Which is irrelevant since we defeated both the Brits and Spanish in that 10 year span, so your recognition or lack of was of no consequence. Arms and battles decided that well before 1816 (1813 at San Lorenzo).
May 25h 1810 is our national holiday. You all need to get it through your thick neanderthal skulls.
You obtain independence by throwing off peacefully or violently your overlords. We did that by 1813.
There is no such thing as “grito de independencia” in Argentina, you are just a typical anglo that confuses and has coruscate ignorance of any other country outside the Anglosphere.
1810 was the beginning of self-government.
What you Brits, Americans or anyone else in the world says about what is our history is irrelevant. As we say, you are all zeroes to the left of 1.
Next.
My point is that the UP and Argentina both lost, after their illegal invasions.
More than 90 years passed, with Argentina never muttering a word about the Falklands, then suddenly in 1941 you decide that you now want them.
International law won't take Argentina's side in this matter as Argentina's claim is pure nonsense, made up using a supposed cessation by Spain to Argentina (and Spain couldn't cede the Falklands as they had already abandoned their claim in 1746), and a 3 month illegal occupation by a failed penal colony.
It's no longer the 19C but the 21c, where the rights of people take priority over a territorial claim over 150yrs old. The Falkland Islanders have continuously lived on the islands for 9 generations, this makes the land theirs and gives them the right to choose their own affiliations and loyalty.
Argentina needs to grow up, and get your own house in order, instead of trying to steal the land, resources and liberty of the Islanders.
The Antarctic treaty would prohibit this annexation, I'm afraid. The Antarctic is protected territory, and is to be free from colonisation and exploitation. No military or weapons are allowed there.
There are currently 7 countries in with claims to Antarctic territory, and they would all have to agree to this. None of them can just break this treaty without severe international repercussions.
I don't doubt that there will be negotiations regarding the Antarctic in the future, but the environmentalist movement would block any attempt at exploitation.
As for colonisation, I think the environment is too harsh for a permanent colony. Even the scientists bug out in the winter, as conditions become too harsh.
Exactly. Argentina is a wannbe colonialist power. But you're not going to colonise the Falkland Isla nds as the UN want independence of dependent countries not transfer to acolonialist country. Belize worked quite well as it was protected by the UK after independence.
After lambasting GB for colonising the Falklands (there are not Malvinas) you now write:“but the northern Antarctic peninsula is ours and should be colonized and made a province.”
Hypocrite or what?
The whole Antarctic peninsula is Chilean. If you want a fight over it, I don’t rate your chances ;)
Actually, our (Chile and Argentina’s) claims to the Antarctic are a farce.
Of all the nations that claim slices of the continent, we were about the last to claim and our claims not only overlap each other, but they overlapped existing claims.
The prior claims were made by countries that actually explored and mapped the continent. We on the other hand have no claim other than proximity.
Unfortunately Chile has gone down the road of lying to the population in order make its claim more relevant. Imported maps and globes are modified to show “our” slice of the continent.
On the nightly news, the national weather forecast even includes the peninsula. It is pathetic. This brainwashing has worked to the extent that the majority of my compatriots that I try to enlighten get very upset when I point out that we don’t own Antarctica. Most just don’t believe it. It is a pitiful policy that will only bring problems in the future.
The signees on the Antarctic treaty should extend the duration to “forever” so that we can all stop the silly posturing.
Furthermore, Argentina does not recognize any of the other claims... which are only recognized between “anglo” nations (surprise surprise), and no one else.
To whom goes a territory is determined by population and/or warfare, not by “explorers”.
Otherwise the planet would be Dutch and Portuguese.
Who mapped or explored Antarctica is, sorry to say, absolutely useless.
UN General Assembly resolutions do not grant anything to anyone. They are not a form of international law. UN General Assembly resolutions are political statements and nothing more. The General Assembly is not a legislative body and has no power to make law.
I agree with you, but I think we should adress the actual problems and then take on the future, possible problems. You can't defend a lost cause pointing fingers at what you define as a lost cause yourself. Two wrongs doesn't make a right.
I don't believe I'm defending a lost cause. Did you interpret my words “colonialism is indefensible in the 21st century” as a defense of colonialism? Which lost cause do you think I'm defending?
In my opinion, the beginning of the way forward is for:
Argentina: pay for the removal of the tens of thousands of landmines that Argentina left on the Falklands during the occupation; drop the economic blockade including allowing flights _without conditions_ that are not applied to other routes, allowing Falkland Island flagged vessels to use Argentine ports under the same conditions as all other foreign vessels, and stop threatening companies doing business in the Falklands.
Britain: Adjust the message from saying that “the Falkland Islanders have the self-determination right to stay British as long as they want” to “the Falkland Islanders have the self-determination right to choose any political association they want whether that is staying British, becoming an independent state, or joining Argentina.”
Falkland Islands: A willingness to enshrine in their Constitution at least as much self-government as they now have in practice. In practice, every London-appointed Governor of the Falklands decides every question exactly as advised by the Falklands-elected Executive Committee of the Legislative Assembly. However, the Constitution still allows the Governor to veto a bill that unanimously passed the Legislative Assembly or even to enact a bill that was unanimously defeated in the Legislative Assembly -- on any matter, not just defense and foreign affairs. No Governor would ever exercise such powers in the 21st century, but such colonialist provisions need to be struck from the Constitution.
UN C24: treat the Falkland Islands exactly the same as all other non self-governing territories.
They need to drop their ridiculous claims & remove the offending clauses from their constitution also.
@163 Axel arg,
For once, l agree with you Axel.
When it comes to the Falklands & Argentina's ridiculous claims, l DO have a closed mind & you will NEVER convince me otherwise.
You have NO RIGHTS & NO VALID claims here & this is NOT your land.
Eventually, yes, but confidence building comes in incremental steps. The steps I suggested for Argentina can be done by the current administration. Those you suggested could happen only after an election.
It will be easier for the Falkland Islanders to fix the problems in their Constitution than for Argentina to fix the problems in theirs.
What you do is just repeat the lies that are argued all the time by your side, beside, you are very missinfomerd.
Respeting the situation of the islands in 1833, maybe the u. k had right to occupy the islands, in virtue of the secret article that had been included in nootka sound convention of 1790, anyway it's very arguable to invoke that treaty, because the first act of occupation happened in 1820, t was published in the times in 1821, and the u. k didn't do any protest. Regarding the rights of the u. p., you should know that the succession of states is applied to all the emancipated colonial territories which are sucesors of the rights of the metropoli, so, our country had right to occupy the islands in virtue of the succession of states, because the islands had been submitted to the jurisdiction of the viceroalty. If the u. k had any right on the islands in 1833, it should have negotiated a peaceful solution, or perhaps share the administration of the archipelago, because our cuntry had rights on the islands too, however the u. k decided to force our authorities to leave the malvinas. What really anoys me, is that none of you makes any critic to the weak aspects of your country, i recognize that our country commited mistakes in different oportunities, but what is amazing is that none of you criticises anything from your side. Respecting the silences of arg. between 1849 and 1884, you should know that the between 1884 and 1888, arg. suggested the u. k to take the question to the arbitration, and the u. k rejected that proposal. Beside, i think it doensn't have any sense to emphasize the silences of my country respecting it's claim, because in 1968 and in 1980, the u. k tried to get rid of the islands, and start negotiations with arg., anyway i recognize that perhaps the silences of my country might prejudice it's claim, but all these argumens show that the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations, i'll tell you more in last comment.
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Prior to 1946, taking territory by force was legal in international law.
Argentina did not occupy the Falklands in 1820. The (North) American pirate David Jewett did stop briefly to repair ship in the Falklands in 1820 and did raise an Argentine flag and declare the island the territory of Argentina, but he was not authorized by Argentina to do so and did not mention in his report to Argentina. Jewett did not try to enforce Argentine law in any way. His sole motivation was to secure the supplies from a recently wrecked French ship. The Pirate Code has never been recognized as a valid part of international law, so Jewett's unauthorized actions do not help the Argentine case at all.
The first time Argentina ever claimed the Falklands was in 1829 and the first time that they tried to administer them was at the end of 1832.
As for negotiating a peaceful settlement, Argentina and Britain did exactly that. They signed the Convention of Settlement in 1849 and ratified it in 1850. Britain recognized the navigation of the River Parana to be an inland navigation of Argentina and in exchange Argentina gave up their claims to the Falklands.
Tell mercosur to publish this web page in Spanish. You dam whimp, why don't you tell your real name, location and phone number you dam whimp? I
@125 LepRecon Leprosy
Racist YES. Here is the US I don't get close to an african american, a mexican american, a jewish american or muslim american. They are worthless!...I am the first generation of spanish immigrants. I protect my race.
Islanders “success” of 189 years and still they don't know if they can build a % star hotel? I repeat the islands are yours kept it in you asshole.
Why are they wimps for not giving their personal details out???
This is a forum, phone numbers and addresses are irrelevant here.
Why are you so racist?
I have Mapuche, Spanish and British blood (that I know of).
Does that make me inferior to you because you are first generation Spanish?
The first generation of Spanish who showed up here in northern Chile, committed genocide on the local population (the Diaguitas). Then they brought slaves from the south to work on their estates. Not very nice.
You have the choice to learn the facts on the internet about the consequences of mixing races. The US latest census states because of mixing the white race with african, jewish, asian and middle east people all found in the US, the health care cost is increasing. Mixing races bring deformities and illnesses.
Remember, races were not made to be mix. If you are a mix person is because your great granparents did not have the knowledge to avoid mixing the race.
I don't blame the Spanish for killing no one. The Spanish brought civilization to North, Central and South America. The natives american accepted christianity. Thanks to the Spain, I can reside in the US and Argentina and have all the fun I want. Thanks to Spain I eat the best prime rib, lobster, shrimp, wine, I buy my clothes at Macys, I reside in Los Angeles, CA, Las Vegas, Nevada, and Phoenix, Arizona. Thanks to Spain, these 3 states of the US southwest speak spanish and they are the most beautiful states in the whole US. Thanks to my spanish parents I am a beautfil 5'8'' 13o lbs woman with european looks. Here in the US people turn their heads to look at me. The US and Argentina owes to Spain for introducing the civilization we all are enjoying. That's why.
Please get over Yourself and your purist views of how great it is to be Spanish and everybody else are not worthy to clean Your shoes.
This is about the Fantastic strides the Falkland Islands have made against argentine isolationist policies!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
In my 2 countries, the US and Argentina most of the governors such as Jerry Brown of California, governor Jan Brewer of Arizona, governor Sandoval of Nevada, Governor Richardson of New Mexico has spent this weekend overseas seeking investors in this 4 states. The US suppossed to be the most “powerful developed country” in the world, but is not. Having 24 millons unemployed us citizens and 46 millons receiving goverment food stamps to survive force these governors to seek more investors from overseas to create jobs. The Argentine female leader has travel overseas to seek more investors because of the present economic crisis Argentina. But what I cannot understand is why in 189 years the islanders has not became independent from argentine ports. Let face it, only a few argentinians like assisting the islanders.
You obviously know little about the north African domination of Spain during centuries. Those north Africans (the Moors) brought a lot of learning and civilization to Spain.
If you can eat lobster in CA it is because the New Englanders kicked the New Spanish out otherwise California would still be in Mexico.
You're right. Mexico has a better claim to Sean Penn's mansion than Argentina has to the Falkland Islands.
Even when you know they are trolls.
That's why I don't respect most of you and can't fully respect some of you who are good posters.
A child can see SussieUS is a troll pretending to be argie and talking crap. Most of you know it but connive.
I'm not sure. I don't know what she is other than generally derogatory to everyone. I was giving her the benefit of the doubt.
Was the government of Argentina trolling when (during my teenage years) they were advertising Argentina as “the only white country south of Canada”? I don't see so much difference between that and what Sussie writes. Racists are racists.
You seem to be Ok with Anglo racists, but object to Latin racists.
Btw, I never heard of what you are saying. Why don't you post some proof for a change?
Should a country not be able to manage immigration as it sees fit?
Discrimination is not racism in my book.
I think UK immigration is a shambles. I was just blabbing about it on another thread: en.mercopress.com/2012/05/29/dollar-restrictions-target-money-of-non-declared-origin-argues-argentine-senator
Sussie is just offensive and is the only poster who has directed racist abuse at me. I don't care if she is Anglo, Latina or Spanish.
You are a little missionformed, beside, you are making a very partial anlysis.
The occupation made by jewett in 1820, was published in the times in august of 1821, it said that he had taken possession of the islands, in the name of the u. p (actual argentina), beside that occupation was celebrated by british sheps too, it was published in weddell's book, but i dont remeber the year exactly, i think it was 1825. Anyway the occupation wasn't easy, because our country was going through intern wars, and the jewett had to make front the scurvy and the different seditions.
Respecting what you say about the legality of the using of the force before 1946, you are right, but you can't claim the application of the acquisitive prescription for this cause, like the u. k tried to do in different moments. One of the reasons why you can't invoke that institution of international right, it's because the acquistive prescription doesn't allow the using of the force for the occupation of territories, i have a lot of information about this institution in my first investigation. The u. k in 1833 forced our authorities to leave the islands, so, it can't invoke it for this cause.
Regarding the convention of 1849, i recognize that maybe the silences of my country might prejudice it's claim, but i think that we must study deeply the context of that year, before giving any opinion. During most 19 century, and the half the 20 century, our economy was handled mostly by british interests, we were almost an english colony, so, we weren't in conditions to claim the u. k for the islands. On the other hand, if the u. k emphasizes the silences of arg., that might prejudices it's claim too, because despite the silneces of arg., the u. k tried to get rid of the islands in 1968 and in 1980, and started negotiations with our country. This shows that the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations, however that's some thing that you dont want to recognize, and blame only arg.
I've read Weddell's 1825 book. British ships didn't celebrate Jewett's proclamation. They merely observed it. The 1821 Argentine news report of Jewett's proclamation was a report of a Spanish news report of a Gibraltar news report of an English news report of a US news report. Jewett never informed the government of Argentina. It is not mentioned in his long official trip report. No authorization or other mention of it is in the written instructions given to Jewett. It's well established that the proclamation was merely a rouse to get ahold of the supplies of a recent French shipwreck. Yet another one of Jewett's acts of piracy.
The British did not use force in 1833. Onslow made a demand and Pinedo complied peacefully. There was no resistance and no use of force.
Read the 2008 ICJ Pedra Branca (Singapore v. Malaysia) case. Argentina's silence from 1850 at least weakens and probably obliterates Argentina's case. In the Pedra Branca case, the ICJ said that Pedra Branca belonged without any doubt to Malaysia but was acquired by Singapore because of Malaysia's silence. In the Falkland Islands case, the best that Argentina could hope for would be for the ICJ to decide that sovereignty from 1833 to 1849 was uncertain. If the ICJ were to follow their own 2008 precedent, they would have to decide that Falklands became British through Argentina's long silence -- even if they were to decide that the Falklands had been Argentina's in 1849, even if they were to void the 1850 Convention of Settlement (on who knows what grounds). More likely, the ICJ would opine that sovereignty before 1850 was uncertain and decide UK got the Falklands in 1850 by treaty.
Yes, the UK wanted to be rid of the Falkland Islands in 1968 and 1980, but giving them to Argentina would have been a violation of international law if the Falkland Islanders were opposed. International law forced the British to stop negotiating sovereignty when the Falkland Islanders demanded it.
You are both exceedingly well informed on this topic and thank you for rising above the noise to continue with an intelligent conversation. It is very interesting to learn about the pros and cons on both sides. My more simplistic take is that Argentina said goodbye to the islands with the unsuccessful invasion of 82, coupled with the Islanders right to self-determination.
During the 1820s (before Argentina first claimed the Falklands 10 June 1829, which claim Argentina rescinded later that same year), Britain and Spain each had fairly strong claims to what is now East Falkland. Spain never claimed any of the other among the Falkland Islands, so all the others were undisputedly British. At the time, international law would have recognized the sovereignty of whichever one of them was able to take and hold the islands (which from 3 January 1833 was Britain).
So, after 1833, Spain's never overwhelmingly strong claim was weakening every year. Argentina's claim of having inherited Spain's claim is very weak. First, the Falkland Islands are not part of the territory which Spain gave up in 1836. Second, Spain had managed their colony from Montevideo, so if anyone could have inherited East Falkland from Spain, it would have been Uruguay, not Argentina.
So, if Argentina had a claim in 1849, it was a very weak claim. If they had a claim in 1849, they certainly lost it in 1850 when they ratified the Convention Settlement acknowledging that they had no disputes with Britain. If Argentina had had any claim in 1851 (which they certainly didn't), then by 1940, having kept quiet since 1849 (expect one protest in 1888) any claim they might have had in 1851 would have been worthless in 1940.
Axel, investigate as much as you like, but Argentina has NO RIGHTS in the Falklands as this is OUR LAND.
Right. In 1982, Britain might still have been able to make a claim independent of the Falkland Islanders' right of self-determination. But since the International Court of Justice recognized the right of self-determination as a peremptory norm of international law in 1995, nothing in international law could possibly overcome the right of the Falkland Islanders to choose their own destiny.
You are still missionformed, i read planty of public documents written between 1833 and 1888, were our government recognized the occupation made by jewett. Anyway, you are right when you say that the british ships just observed it, i hadn't expressed my self correctly in my last comment. On the other hand, it's amazing how you dont want to recognize the weak aspects that your country has too, respecting this cause, i dont understand how many of you can be so injudiocious.
The fact that when john onslow took possession of the islands didn't kill anybody, it doesn't mean that he didn't forced our authorities to lave the archipelago. I read many public documents were it's showed that he forced jose maria pinedo to lower the argentina flag anf take all the objects that were related to our government.
Beside, who told you that the int. law forced the u. k to stop negotiating with arg.?, in fact in 1980 nicholas ridley was sent to the malvinas to try to convince the islanders about a negotiated solution for the sovereignty. But because of the pressure of the lobby that represents the islands, the proposal was rejected at the british parliament. On the ether hand, the decolonization committee from the u. n has always considered this cause like a particular colonial situation, and never invoked the right to self determination like it did for others colonial situations. Anyway i dont deny that maybe that right is applicable for the islanders, but the u. n neather invoked that principle for this cause, nor said that the question should be discussed only if the islandes wish it, beside, it never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg. All the resolutions have called the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations only. It means that if the islanders want to remain british, we can't change that, but it doesn't mean that we can't find a fair solution for the sovereignty which is the main problem. However, thats' something that you dont want.
Documents between 1833 and 1888 which tried to retroactively authorize Jewett's ceremony do not help Argentina's case. What you need is a document pre-dating his voyage which authorized him to enforce Argentine law in the Falklands. There is no such document because Jewett had no such authorization. The written instructions from the government of Argentina to Jewett do not mention the Falklands and did not empower Jewett to enforce Argentine law anywhere. His authorization was limited to acting as a privateer against Spanish shipping. He exceeded that authorization by committing piracy on the high seas against Portugal and the US (with whom Argentina was not at war) and by falsely claiming (backed up by a sham ceremony) to be acting on Argentine authority in claiming the supplies of a French shipwreck. Jewett never tried to enforce Argentine law in the Falklands, despite many false claims starting in 1964. Argentina never claimed the Falklands before 10 June 1829. Retroactive claims are not allowed, nor are unauthorized claims made by pirates for personal gain. I'm sorry, but the Pirate Code by which Jewett lived is not a recognized part of international law.
In 1980, the right of self-determination had not yet been recognized by the International Court of Justice as a peremptory norm (jus cogens). So the strength of the right of self-determination was still debated as was the wishes of the Falkland Islanders. Both are now clear.
What I want or don't want is irrelevant. Only the wishes of the Falkland Islanders are relevant. If Argentina wants the Falklands, then Argentina needs to convince the Falkland Islanders to freely choose to live under Argentine rule. I guess it will take a long period of reliable friendship to get past the atrocities of 1982 and the current bullying.
So your government recognised the occupation after the fact 12+ years later after Britian had already reestablished a settlement. At the time he was acting as an individual with no authority to act on the U.P's behalf.
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