Friday, June 1st 2012 - 07:07 UTC

US delegation at OAS assembly will reiterate Falklands/Malvinas a bilateral issue

United States will reiterate at the coming OAS General Assembly that the Falklands/Malvinas Islands difference is a bilateral issue to be resolved between Argentina and the UK, which means the US delegation, will not take position in a possible declaration in support of Argentina.

State Department spokesperson Mike Hammer confirmed the US position

”As you know, the U.S. position has not changed. With respect to the Islands, that is an issue we should... that should be resolved between Argentina and England” saidActing Under Secretary for Press Affairs at the State Department Mike Hammer during an exchange with reporters on Twitter.
 

Hammer anticipated that the coming Organization of American States to be held next week in Cochabamba, Bolivia will be “a good meeting” with a “good atmosphere”.

“What matters to the US is to work jointly with the hemisphere countries and so advance towards a better future, fight poverty, attack issues such as climate change and see how we can work together as we did at the recent Summit of the Americas in Colombia, and ensuring that human rights are respected, and strengthening democracy” added Hammer.

According to OAS Secretary General Jose Miguel Insulza the dispute over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands sovereignty will again be in the agenda of the OAS members’ Foreign ministers agenda “with the same resolution and success as last year in the El Salvador General Assembly and more recently at the Summit of the Americas”.

The US delegation to the OAS meeting will be headed by Roberta Jackson, Assistant Secretary of State for Latin America and the US ambassador before OAS, Carmen Lomellin, plus the support from the US embassy in Bolivia.

State Department spokesperson William Ostick justified the absence of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who will miss the OAS general assembly, recalling that the meeting was originally scheduled for “next July” and this came “into conflict with a long before programmed trip to Europe in early June”.

Last March British PM David Cameron visited President Obama in the White House and revealed that the US was content with the status quo in the Falkland Islands and ‘would stop prodding Britain and Argentina’ to talk to each other.

“President Obama made clear that the US was content with the status quo, under which the Falklands remain a British overseas territory”, said PM Cameron.
 

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1 Boovis (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 09:21 am Report abuse
Clinton can't make it because “On June 7, Secretary Clinton will co-chair the Global Counterterrorism Forum Ministerial in Istanbul, Turkey, and consult with senior Turkish officials on a range of foreign policy challenges, including Syria and Iran.” Hmm, aren't these guys supposed to be so-called friends with Argentina? Seems she's too busy plotting the gang's downfall to deal with one of their low level cohorts on some petty territorial dispute.
2 British_Kirchnerist (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 09:37 am Report abuse
If the Americans aattack Iran, that would be their own downfall
3 Idlehands (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 09:44 am Report abuse
If the Americans attack Iran the price of oil will skyrocket.

Good for the likes of those prospecting around the Falklands - not so good for those that don't produce enough oil for their own consumption and struggle to get hold of U$ to pay for the shortfall.

Beware the domino effect.
4 British_Kirchnerist (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 09:47 am Report abuse
I don't WANT the US to attack Iran, of course it would be worst of all for the Iranian civilians that would be killed, I'm just saying it would be bad for them if they did and threfore all the more reason to back off
5 mcarling (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 09:56 am Report abuse
It's disgraceful that the American government is not supporting the rights of the Falkland Islanders. What Argentina and Britain want is not really relevant. Only the Falkland Islanders have the right to decide their own fate.
6 Samuri Sue (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:11 am Report abuse
As usual, our good ol' State Dept. is going to take the stupid road and alienate everyone. We just could not stand by our allies and do the right thing. We try to straddle the fence and please everyone, thereby pleasing no one. As a male, I am opposed to fence straddling.
7 McClick (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:19 am Report abuse
Laugh !

then Why did you bombarded the Islands in 1831. ?!
8 Idlehands (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:54 am Report abuse
I think they are more likely to attack Syria before Iran. An easier target, a better excuse and another Iranian ally biting the dust.
9 yankeeboy (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:58 am Report abuse
Once the class action suits get going in the USA I am sure there will be a “hold” put on all the U$ in the USA YPF accounts and YPF ( now Arg gov't ) will find it very hard to sell or buy oil since most of the transactions will be in U$ and somehow get funneled through USA, UK, EU.
They got themselves into a mess and it is all falling apart now. Hopefully the new Gov't will be smarter and honorable but I'm not holding my breath.
10 Boovis (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:11 am Report abuse
7: he did? Wow, that'd make him... *counts on fingers* at least 197 years old?!
11 yankeeboy (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:19 am Report abuse
Hey sorry about that post it was meant for another thread.

I doubt Obama has any plans to attack Iran militarily. Our sanctions are working, we will probably fund and supply weapons to the opposition and let them topple themselves maybe with a threat of bombing from Israel.
I think Israel will hold off until the Nov elections and if by some miracle Obama is re-elected they will take out the nuclear sites. If Romney is elected they will wait.
Time will tell but Iran is running out of money and has 57 tankers in dock with no buyers. Starving people get desperate quickly.
12 Idlehands (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:29 am Report abuse
Is the “three meals” principle going to kick in?
13 Room101 (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:32 am Report abuse
One of the tectonic plates must have shifted things a bit since I looked at the news; has Syria or Iran arrived near to the Falklands.
14 JohnN (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
Hammer's statement suggests that if all the US wants is for UK and Argentina to “work it out through negotiations”, those were similar words to what Obama in Cartagena. But if negotiation was all that the Latin heads were seeking, why did the consensus broke down with Canada and US not going along?

Both Obama and Hammer say “negotiation”, but they KNOW that the Latin heads sub-text is NOT negotiation, but capitulation to Argentina.

Obama doesn't care about fate of Falklands, but he still cares about wanting Britain on side (especially with Euro continent problems growing, Russia concerns and needing NATO strength).

Obama knows that Romney would hound him with a pro-Latin heads stance - and Romney climbing in polls. If Romney were prez, bust of Churchill would go back into the White House.

However, talk is for the ears of the Latin heads, but lets see what US and Canada actually DO now at the OAS General Assembly.
15 briton (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
America will not suport argentina or CFK [says america]
ahhh traitors turn coats stab in the backs,
coruption, theives , [says CFK]

silence,[say the british goverment] titter chuckle .
16 aussie sunshine (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
Well done Obama!!
Let Argentina and Britain work out a deal if not continue as they were.
17 Idlehands (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
I imagine the bottom line for the USA is that it is fed up with the OAS being hijacked to talk about pointless territorial disputes rather than issues that really matter in the world of realpolitik.

It's a bit like Manchester United's attitude to the league cup. Only worth sending the reserves or the youth team to play in.
18 Samuri Sue (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
Hammer must have been hand picked by President No Cojones himself. He does not make me proud to be an American. But, then I already am. We need to get rid of No Cojones this November. The end of an error.
19 ChrisR (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
You couldn't nick-name this yanky cnut The Hammer as in a tough / gangster could you.

Does Obarmy have any morals at all? Answer, probably not.
20 Musky (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
Basically the US is happy with the situation and so no OAS statement can be issued in its name.
Why are so many people up in arms about people wanting to live the way they want. Look at Hawaii, it is 2400 miles from America and yet it is American. Why is this? Because the people with their self determination made it so.
The same goes for the Falklands. The distance is irrelevant, the context and the history and the self determination is why it continues.
21 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
@13 Room101 (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:32 am

No. It is just the Malvinistas trying to splice copper wire and fibre optic cable and wondering why it just won't work.
22 tobias (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
@17

What is there to talk about? What issue really matters?

There is nothing that matters to the USA that matters to Argentina. Not that we would help them anyway, Argentina never sides with the USA. Been standard policy for 150 years.
23 yankeeboy (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
22. All the USA wants is a cheap labor force to build and buy our products plus whatever we are legally owed.
If Argentina was an honorable country we would not be having disagreements with it.
Pay the Paris club, holdouts, ICISID judgments, abide by the trade agreements and you won't hear anything from us. What? You don't have enough U$ to pay any of it tsk tsk tsk I wonder if teh USSC will just let them take it from the BCRA reserves (whats left) in NYC? Maybe soon...

Toby, we missed you this AM I figured you were on your way to Bolivia to change your MASSIVE PESO FORTUNE Into something someone wants.

brr is the gas on in Patagonia yet? Did they shut off the large nat gas users in BA yet? Do you think the unemployed will join all the others protesting in the streets?
24 tobias (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
@23

Honor is clearly in the eye of the beholder, then.

As for cheap labor, you don't got to look far yankee.

“USA unemployment up, job creation near zero, weakest in a year, well below population replacement level...Job creation collapses by mid-year, stock markets plunge on recession panic”.

Seems to me you may have to cut back on your weekend bagtrips to London, Paris and Milan. :(
25 JohnN (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
The specific question put to Hammer on twitter, and that was recorded on a Dept of State youtube video, was (in Spanish) “What position will the US government take on the Argentine demand for sovereignty of the Malvinas at the OAS meeting?”

Hammer's response was pretty well what Mercopress has reported, but an interesting thing was how LITTLE Hammer said before quickly side-stepping any added detail or elaboration, which Hammer had provided for other questions put to him.

Something going on there, and could be that the Whitehouse is caught between desire to play to Latin American heads at OAS meeting, but knowing that with Romney rising in polls, he can't be seen to sell out Britain on this issue.

Reference:
“El Departmento de Estado lleva a cabo una sesión de preguntas y respuestas por Twitter en español” at the 10:20 minute mark:
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gMPe3r5_bJI#!
26 yankeeboy (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
24. I don't' have to cut back on anything thanks for thinking of me though.

I have been hoping for a mild dip to get that disgusting Socialist out of office in Nov and I think this may have done it.

Funny if our economy is in such bad shape our bonds are paying the lowest in the world and the U$ is the strongest it has been in 2 yrs.

On the other hand... I heard the Provinces have given up any hope of getting U$ this year issuing bonds ...cause the interest rate would be 14% ...wonder how they will pay payroll in Sept? Maybe taking telefonica...maybe how much to they have on their balance sheet?
27 tobias (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 05:10 pm Report abuse
So you are jubilating at your 2 year high? With the EU in its shape and China slowing big time, plus the commodities currencies suffering (Brazil, Canada, Australia), you are a patient in the OP thinking you are healthy because the room next door is the morgue.

LOL

I love it that provinces can't issue bonds (or the feds). I hope it goes on for another decade at least. Not allowing governments to borrow is a good thing, not bad. Pretty soon you will find out yourself.
28 yankeeboy (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
Um yeah I want a strong U$, stop printing money stop issuing so much debt. It would be a good thing. No argument there.
29 Malvinero1 (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
Does Obarmy have any morals at all? Answer, probably not.
Much more moral than the bushes of course!
chris: You ara PATHETIC!
30 f0rgetit87 (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
I am gay.
31 Brit Bob (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
The Falklands are British there is no issue for the OAS even to discuss.

The Argentine claims are based on historical inaccuracies. After “Convention of Settlement” was signed by Great Britain and Argentina in 1850 the Argentines produced a number of maps in the 1870s and 1880s which showed that the Falkland Islands WAS NOT BELONGING TO ARGENTINA. This is clearly evident on the '1882 Latzina map'
32 reality check (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
Am I simplistic? or do economies seem to be cyclic.
33 MistyThink (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
30

I have never seen Gay Armenian !
but,
I have seen many dowdy Armenians !

I have never seen cheeky Armenians !
but
I have seen many coward Armenians !

I have never seen masher Armenians !
but
I have seen many fool Armenians !
34 briton (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
Just out of interest
If CFK at thee OAS meeting, proposed that the OAS countries , stopped trading with the brits,

Or demanded that OAS member back a military blockade of the Falklands,

and, the majority voted for this,
Would the minority,, even if they abstained,
Would they be obliged to follow the rest, and enforce a military blockade,

Or could they just say , Soddy offy,

Just an interesting democratic thought .
35 Conqueror (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
@6 So your State Department is much like our Foreign Office. Does it make you look at Tinman differently? Perhaps all foreign ministries are much the same? Although Tinman brings the added bonus of being an overweening, incompetent prat.
@7 This bombardment. You have evidence?
@22 “What is there to talk about? What issue really matters?” Got one thing right. Nothing to talk about. What issue matters? The right of the Islanders to determine their own future. Please notice: Argieland talks about ITS “rights”. Britain talks about the rights of the Islanders. Get the difference?
@24 You're an argie, are you not? So what would you know about honour?
@27 I wonder if you realise just what the United States can do. Let's take a suitably dramatic incident. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. In that attack the Japanese damaged or sank 8 battleships, 3 cruisers, 3 destroyers, an anti-aircraft training ship and one minelayer. Together with the destruction of 188 American aircraft. What country could recover from that? Had Britain done that to argieland in 1982, it would have been the equivalent of the complete destruction of the argie air force and navy. But the Americans simply raised/repaired some vessels and started building. AT THE SAME TIME, they supplied equipment to Britain and the Commonwealth, the Soviet Union and China, went to war in Europe and took their own war to Japan. As it happens, Britain was doing much the same. As 1982 showed, argies couldn't have handled 10% of that. Argies would have been cowering in deep holes with their arms over their heads (all the better to surrender with) and whimpering for Mummy. It might be that you are “proud” of your cuntry. God knows why, but let's not go there. Do not measure others by yourselves. You are insignificant pipsqueaks. You are (barely) tolerated. You are trading on that tolerance. Don't push your luck!
@33 Please taked an overdose.
36 tobias (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
@34

But we still don't give a hoot about you, so important and all (your words, not mine).

I guess it sucks to be seen as nothing important or relevant by insignifance itself. :)
37 MistyThink (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
31
Are there any Armenian population in UK ?
38 briton (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
36 tobias
But we still don't give a hoot about you, so important and all (your words, not mine
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
where did you read this item, i did not write it ,

I guess it sucks to be seen as nothing important or relevant by insignifance itself. :)

[ we did not write this either, are you reading the right blogg,
and it does not answer the simple but hilarouse question.
39 tobias (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
@38

Do you suddendly become purblind upon encountering one of Conqueror's harangues? Read his post, then my reply's signification will no longer elude you.
40 MistyThink (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
19
There was a genetic research made in different regions of Armenia that detected the genetic codes prevalent in Welsh,Irish and Basques called the Atlantic Model Haplotype.
Ancient British ,Basques Myths of an Armenian origin genetic,linguistic,name square with on.
Ancient Britons and ancients Basques to be sure of being the grandsons of the Armenians.
41 briton (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
still wrong number,
but
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you never learn unless you ask
One says to ones teacher,
And the reply was.
You will learn nothing, unless you ask, silly boy,

Oh and by the, don’t ask things as it’s considered rude,
Do you understand boy.
,,,errmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Not what you write, but how it is interpreted.
42 AmericanLight (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
Our taxes need to be used for American matters rather than paying government officials to take sides on a childish dispute between two nations.
It may hurt some of the people here but the US does not care about supporting any of these two nations.
That's all we need more money spent as if didn't have food stamp abuse, large corporate greed and other things that misuse our money
43 briton (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
US does not care about supporting any of these two nations.

we think you are sadly wrong on that one .
we need each other, more than you think old boy .
44 reality check (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
@42AL
Careful yank. Where do you think we have been spending our blood since 9/11 never mind our taxes. Who do you think we have been supporting since 9/11 and continue to support. You do not want it? fine, bring the lads home. Friendship is a two way street.
45 MistyThink (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
43
The British do think differently while you think absurd,if you keeping on similar thinking you must start to think will be on thud,if you change your thinking everybody start to think you are welcome to true thinking.

You must to think to develope your english.if not then someone start to think you learned english in an Africa Ubuntu tribe.
46 tobias (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
Only in Argentina (Not Germany, not Spain, not China, not Russia, not United States, not Australia, not Brazil, not Italy, not France, not Mexico, not United Kingdom, not Japan, not Nigeria, not Iran, not India)....

news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/tipping-iceberg-captured-video-tourists-185348588.html

Only country on Earth you can see this and a few hours later bask in the tropical rainforest by the world's greatest waterfalls, the 7th wonder of the world (officially).

Nowhere else can you see Ice Age earth and Greenhouse Earth.

Jaundice permitted.
47 briton (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
45
One must think, that you are as mystified as you answer,
.
48 reality check (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
@46Tobias
No one says that there are not beautiful and wonderful things to see in or from your country, infact, on these very posts, I have read people describe just how beautiful Argentina is. However what does that have to do with the disagreement between us?
49 tobias (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
@48

Without our expansionist ways, the first video would be deep in Brazil or Paraguayan territory, the second video in the middle of Chile.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZAg2wOe2xw

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh271FAVZ0o

Argentina's past expansionism (19th century) is severely criticized here, but it did pay off, doesn't it?
50 MistyThink (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
49
Do you have any videos from Norway ?
51 stick up your junta (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
Argentina's past expansionism (19th century) is severely criticized here, but it did pay off, doesn't it?

Your a piss poor run country,considering all the Natural resources you have,no it aint paid off
52 tobias (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
@51

As I explained in the other thread, Argentina is too big for socialism and to small for free-markets. There is no economic system in existance that can prove to work in the country.

Still by mere inertia we are in the top 15% of wealth in the world, meaning over 4/5 of the world's population is poorer, that includes virtually all of the rest of LatAm, all of Africa, almost all of the middle east outside the Dubai/Qatar enclaves, all of the Indian subcontinent, and still the vast majority of South East Asia, China, Russia, parts of Eastern Europe, and the Pacific Islands and Caribbean.

Why don't you use perspective for once?
53 reality check (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
@52Tobias
So what is your hypothesis then? that socialism works? You quote China and Russia , as I did. Surely you have have to agree that it failed there. If you are saying that there is injustice between the rich and the poor in the world, I would agree with you. However socialism has not solved that problem and it never will.
54 tobias (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
I'm not advocating or endorsing socialism. I don't know why you assume that prima facie from my commentary. I'm merely proffering it has a much better chance of working (policy or otherwise) in small countries in area and population where people are much closer in aspirations and values and accountability is far closer to the citizen.
55 reality check (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
@54Tobias
Lovely legal latin words Prima Facia, I prefer Mens Rea or the alternative Actus Rea. I agree with you about smaller countries in area and population, the only trouble is there is always, always someone at the top and therein lies the problem. Most will arrive there by championing their citizens and most will open a Swiss Bank Account, it is an horrible fact of life.
56 tobias (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
@55

That may all be well and true, but this has no effect on the fact capitalism cannot work in a country the size of Argentina, thus there is no economic system that can maximize the growth of the country. It is what it is.
57 reality check (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
@56Tobias
Yet historicaly Argentina was one of the major contributors to the world economy. She was one of the breadbaskets of the world. She still has that capacity. I struggle to understand why things have changed. Unless of course you are saying that in those times, the wealth and benefits of that wealth were in the hands of a few and not the many. I hold the view that the hard work and the prosperity of a people should be passed back to the people. No these are not socialist ideals. They are democratic ideals, it follows that those placed above us to deliver these ideals, should deliver them or be replaced, by those who will.
58 tobias (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
Today, 40 million people is not enough to attract capital and investment. People want to invest in countries with hundreds of millions of people, and set their industries there in order to be near major markets.

Argentina is far away from major markets and has an internal market that is not big enough to by accretion attract investment, and if you don't have a large internal market or are close to central economies, it is not an attractive place to invest. Publications like the Economist, WSJ, FT, et all may deny this till crickets can't stridulate, but capitalism failed in Argentina, not because it is necessarily a bad system or because it was poorly applied, but because capitalism today is not interested in countries like Argentina.

Since the country is too big to rely one one sector or industry like places like Uruguay, New Zealand, Norway, or the Falklands can, it can't take that track either.

I call it the “brown dwarf” effect. Too small to fuse and shine into a star, to big to be a planet that can sustain life. Argentina is a brown dwarf and the current economic systems do not have an answer for how to bring long term growth.
59 JohnN (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
Interesting bits in today's UPI story (link below) about this OAS meeting:

- Argentina has been winning public pronouncements in its favor at previous Latin American conferences and OAS general assemblies but Buenos Aires hasn't been equally successful in securing strategic or material support for its campaign.

- “President Obama made clear that the U.S. was content with the status quo, under which the Falklands remain a British overseas territory,” Cameron said.

“Special Reports - OAS dragged into Argentina-Falklands row”:
www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2012/06/01/OAS-dragged-into-Argentina-Falklands-row/UPI-25691338568473/
60 Tobers (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
Is that right? The USA for example, like Argentina, got lucky by amassing a huge land area with a relatively tiny population. Through Capitalism and Industrialisation its economy and population have grown massively within the last 200 years. From a purely capitalistic point of view its been a resounding success. Why could not the same have happened in Argentina?
61 f0rgetit87 (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
Because Brazil would not allow it to happen.
62 Tobers (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:29 pm Report abuse
Argentina hasn't managed to thrive simply due to bad management. There's no other reason.
63 tobias (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:30 pm Report abuse
@60

Because capitalism is not a panacea. It actually does not work in some circumstances. If you don't grow your population fast enough the system falls apart (in Argentina it was not customary for immigrants to have 10 children like it was in the USA, since the immigrants to argentina were more urban-centered and from wealthier backgrounds, while those to the USA more farming oriented from poorer backgrounds).
64 reality check (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
@Tobias
Your on dodgy ground. My mum was one of 13, my dad was one of 12, they lived in a city, my grandfathers were labourers, workers, none of parents siblings ever went hungry and weere happy, they still are. Do not make the mistake of judging others by your own standards.
65 Lord Ton (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:12 am Report abuse
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/argentina-closer-to-resuming-a-dialogue-with-great-britain-over-the-falklands/

:-)
66 reality check (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:22 am Report abuse
@65LT
Shit, good job it was not in the SUN or it would have been true, Phewww!!!!!!
67 Tabutos (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:27 am Report abuse
i think the Americans will block any attempt to put the falklands issue on the “main stage” by continuing to quote “bilateral issue” they wont feel the need to listen to Argentinas moaning
68 reality check (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:33 am Report abuse
Agree, after all they are there to discuss the rest of the americas. Unlike Argentina, who are there to discuss Argentina.
69 Hepatia (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:34 am Report abuse
The US position is not consistent with its position as the originator of the Monroe Doctrine. In any case the US position is irrelevant the the final outcome.
70 AmericanLight (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:38 am Report abuse
Don't you call me yank you Pom ...I am a southerner.
American by Birth southerner by the grace of god... How'd ya like them apples?
71 reality check (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:42 am Report abuse
Okay, Reb. Stars and Bars, Stars and Bars!
72 f0rgetit87 (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 02:19 am Report abuse
@69 Hepatia yes it is. study the Monroe doctrine.
73 jc (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 03:12 am Report abuse
cameron is a liar!us never said they are happy with the english having control of the islas malvinas,what they said is the should(england, and stop saying uk,the irish and scottish want nothing to do with it) it is the english that insist in having a problem with an argentine territory that they are going to give up,sooner or later! unoted states are smart and are not going to be in conflict with latinamerica,where the food and minerals are coming from,england has nothing to offer,but bad weather
74 Steve-32-uk (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 11:03 am Report abuse
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100162100/the-obama-administration-knifes-britain-yet-again-over-the-falklands/

read some of the interesting comments from the good people of the USA
75 Tabutos (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 11:32 am Report abuse
it just means they wont have full agreement or consensus with out the US agreeing.

73 Argentina has plenty to offer the Falklands like the pig you keep in your country? (most of which are in government....)

“ it is the english that insist in having a problem with an argentine territory that they are going to give up,sooner or later!” The British government does include England but also Wales Scotland and northern Ireland plus all our overseas territory's and dependency. Which Argentina territory are you talking about? because the Falklands are firmly British and have been for over a century nearly 2.

and assuming you are talking about the British Falkland islands then prob later much much later when the would is integrated into one big country

when it come to what things each country can offer the FI UK wins hands down. United Kingdom offers Freedom Argentina offers Oppression. simples!
76 Pete Bog (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 11:37 am Report abuse
@73 England has more to offer the USA than Argentina. The Falkland Islands are not Argentine territory, and it is not for England to give them up to any colonialist power such as Argentina. That is for the Falkland Isanders to decide.
77 honoria (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
@ 75 Tabutos
“Argentina has plenty to offer the Falklands ”

Like what, exactly? Don't forget that we have already established that we don't need your schools, hospitals, 3 flights a week to BA and Spanish lessons.
78 Tabutos (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
@75 in reference to ”Argentina has plenty to offer the Falklands like the pig you keep in your country? (most of which are in government....)” read the rest of the sentence and you may note a hint of sarcasm in relation to (73) jc statement.

Falkland islanders rule!!!
Argentina well can moan all they want its mildly entertaining :)
79 Conqueror (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 04:02 pm Report abuse
@58 Your conceptualisation is ludicrous. “40 million people is not enough to attract capital and investment.” What you are suggesting is that argieland has an inappropriate number of people to attract capital and investment. If argieland isn't attracting capital and investment, it's because of the way that argieland operates. YPF is a classic example. A “country” decides it has to sell off a government company. A foreign company comes in and provides capital and investment. A few years later, a different “government” decides to adopt a different strategy and “takes” the company, now valued at $10.4 billion. Does the “government” have discussions, negotiations? It does not. It simply “takes”. Citing reasons that are irrelevant because the government set the conditions under which the company operated.

THAT is why “argieland” doesn't get as much capital and investment as it would like. Because it can't be trusted to even comply with its own laws. Who is going to invest their money in some place that can “take” their capital and investment at a stroke. Corollary: If you have x amount of money, do you invest it in an established, dependable enterprise or a guy who knocks on your door, describes rosy pictures and puts your money straight in his wallet?

Argieland is now suffering for its own untrustworthiness. You have only yourselves to blame.

@73 You need to get back to your padded cell and take your meds.

@78 Always good to note what “argieland” has to offer the Falklands. Crime, narcotics, corruption, “government” lawlessness, a failing economy, poverty, elitism, depravity, insecurity, psychosis, oppression. Who could fail to be attracted by such a prospect?
80 Gordo1 (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
”As you know, the U.S. position has not changed. With respect to the Islands, that is an issue we should... that should be resolved between Argentina and England”

This statement shows just how ignorant the State Department spokesman is - England, alone, is not a political entity which can represent the United Kingdom in any international forum.
81 briton (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
The problem does not exist,
The British government and the Falklands islanders are quite happy together [thank you]
There is no problem,
Never has been , never will be ,

Unless you happen to be argentine CFK , then she has a problem
[WITH EVERYONE]
82 AmericanLight (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
Gordo1: this shows you that they don't care about what goes on between your two countries. They don't even know the difference between UK, England, etc.
But it s ok. Those are the people chosen by the people we voted for.
I still believe that we need to worry about what goes on inside our own country.
83 Gordo1 (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
During the recent Summit of the Americas held in Cartagena, Colombia CFK left in a huff because no statement was made concerning the Falklands/Malvinas. Much was made of the fact the the US and Canada were the cause of the failure to get a consensus to condemn the United Kingdom; however I have it on good authority that all other members of the Commonwealth present at the summit, even members of the ALBA group, refused to support Argentina.
84 briton (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
Poor CFK and her dwinderling supporters,
85 Malvinero1 (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
cuntry. God knows why, but let's not go there. Do not measure others by yourselves. You are insignificant pipsqueaks. You are (barely) tolerated. You are trading on that tolerance. Don't push your luck!
@33 Please taked an overdose.
imbecile,conquered.THE reality is uk is FINISHED! PUNK!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
86 briton (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
33 is not very populer with you today
mmm
87 JohnN (#) Jun 03rd, 2012 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
New article just released by Pascoe and Pepper:
“False Falklands History at the United Nations: how Argentina misled the UN in 1964 and still does”: falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf
88 Boovis (#) Jun 04th, 2012 - 05:16 am Report abuse
73: you're talking such rubbish, you do realise it was Scottish soldiers fighting you in the Falklands as well, yeah? You do realise that the past three prime ministers of the UK have been of Scottish heritage? You do realise some of the most outspoken people regarding the issue of the islands have been Scottish? You do realise that Scottish descendants make up more of the islands population than most countries? You do know Ireland isn't even in the UK? You are a complete, unresearched, moron.
89 Steve-32-uk (#) Jun 04th, 2012 - 07:21 am Report abuse
Why do many Argentines refer to the UK / Britain as England, I haven't heard this mistake before. I have even heard some Argentinian politicians doing it, is it a tactic?

@87 Great Link
90 Pete Bog (#) Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:45 am Report abuse
@75 Argentina has plenty to offer the Falklands

What exactly??????????????????

Debt?
Incompetent Government?
Airline links with an aircraft with one of the worst safety records?
Spanish Teachers?

This is one of the funniest jokes I have heard in years.!!! Lol!
91 ynsere (#) Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:46 am Report abuse
Well, at least during the conflict the US did not supply Argentina with military hardware, as Israel did.
92 mcarling (#) Jun 05th, 2012 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
@91 ynsere: In the 1940s, Britain put Jews (including many returning to their homeland after being liberated from the Nazi concentration camps) into concentration camps in what is now Israel, in order to help the Arabs gain control over as much territory as possible. So, Britain gave Israel every reason to help Argentina.

That said, Argentina's claim to the Falklands has no basis in 21st century international law. Argentina's legal claim is completely bogus, but Argentina has a good political case and will continue to do so until the last vestiges of colonialism are stamped out of the Falkland Islands Constitution.
93 ChrisR (#) Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
92 mcarling

I think you maka a mistaka (in Italian accent). Itzz the Argie constitution.

You have to make a joke of that crass statement.
94 ynsere (#) Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
mcarling@92 - From the 1940s to 1982 how many years went by? Were the Israelis and British not allies in the Suez Affair, quite shortly after Israel became a nation? Would all the different Israeli governments since the state was established have sold weapons to a military dictatorship with a record of anti-semitism and “disappearing” its citizens? (Argentina said “thank-you” by never properly investigating the bombs at the BA Israeli Embassy and the Jewish Charity AMIA).
95 British_Kirchnerist (#) Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
Britain did not put Holocaust survivors in Palestine in “concentration camps”. In fact for most of the Mandate period British repression against the native Palestinian Arabs was greater than its repression of the Jews; the Balfour Declaration was a British imperial idea after all. And the Israelis were indeed allied to British and French imperialism only a few years out from their independence in the utterly dishonourable Suez aggression. An aggression brought on in retribution for a perfectly justified nationalisation of resources...
96 Britishbulldog (#) Jun 08th, 2012 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
Stop all funding to this corrupt country called Argentina bring down this corrupt country and all who govern Argentina.
www.StopFundingArgentina.org

Anyone reading this outside of Argentina sign THE FORM NOW.

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