Ban Ki-moon good offices on Falklands issue if “both parties are willing to engage”
United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon reiterated his good offices to help resolve the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK, but also pointed out “as long as the parties are willing to engage”.
Secretary General Ban Ki-moon last week on the sidelines of the UN Decolonization Committee debate on the Falklands/Malvinas dispute held a meeting with Argentina’s President Cristina Fernández, in “which they discussed a range of issues on the global agenda”, according to an official release in the UN website.
The issues discussed included the Falkland Islands (Malvinas). The Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom have been engaged in a dispute concerning the sovereignty of the islands, located in the South Atlantic Ocean.
“The Secretary-General acknowledged the strong regional support for this issue and reiterated that his good offices to resolve this dispute remain available if the parties are willing to engage,” according to information provided by Mr. Ban’s spokesperson.
The release adds that the UN chief and President Fernández discussed the situation in Haiti, where Argentina has military and police personnel serving as peacekeepers with the UN Stabilization Mission in Haiti MINUSTAH.
“The Secretary-General thanked Argentina for its ongoing support for MINUSTAH,” Mr. Ban’s spokesperson said, adding that, “He congratulated Argentina on the implementation of gender strategies in defence and peacekeeping operations”.
Likewise the two leaders discussed expectations for the upcoming meeting of the Group of 20 (G20), taking place on 18-19 June in Los Cabos, Mexico; and the Secretary-General welcomed Argentina’s commitment to a successful outcome at the UN Conference on Sustainable Development (Rio+20), taking place in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, next week.
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For strategic reasons?? i hear you are all just good peacful people so it cant be for that!
For the natural resources? well if you are happy to keep the current population there, then just talk to them and share the wealth!!! Still no need for a flag a change of flag etc
National Pride???? Ahhhh...........I think i have it! Its about pride and nothing else, just something for the RG's to strut about!!!!
Did I miss something?
While some Argentines may actually believe that their government might respect Falkland Islands customs (ie, cup of tea at 5pm) and language, unfortunately, it is highly doubtful that the full measure of rights could be adequately respected.
For example, if we use the ranking of Britain as an indicator of Falkland Islands rights, we see that there is a significant advantage enjoyed by the Falkland Islands over Argentina in terms of rights, as defined by Corruption Perception Index, UN Human Development Index, Freedom index, etc, etc.
Better that only after bringing rights and standards enjoyed by Argentines up to Falkland Island levels, would be wise for Argentina to initiate a request for engaging the Falkland Island Government in any exploratory talks.
There isn't such a thing, they are British, ilegally living in Argentinean soil.
A ”pig headed arrogant tit” says at (5)....:
“You are exactley the sort of pig headed arrogant tit............”
I say…:
The only ”pig headed arrogant tits” in here are the ”British pig headed arrogant tits” that think that, by planting a few ”British pig headed arrogant tits” on any stolen territory, can invoke the self-determination right of those ”British pig headed arrogant tits” to keep the afore mentioned stolen territory under the control of some other ”British pig headed arrogant tits”.........
And i think you like it that way, as it gives you and the other simians something to do.....some way of giving yourself purpose, some way of pumping yourself up!
basically your attitude is that of a school yard bully!
Mr Moon can shove his office where the sun doesn't shine.
I think you're getting confused with the Flora and Fauna that your president says dictates sovereignty. That lives 'in' the soil.
Argentines, they're not even educated so you cannot even have a normal conversation with them.
Secondly, I hope the President, in return for the SGs thanks for providing troops, offered her thanks to the fund contributing nations for paying for their services in US$. Every little helps as the saying goes...
That's his job! (or at least part of it)
He is not supporting the views of either the Argentinians or the British.
Looks like they might have got the message and probably been tipped the wink that the UK have done their political work behind the scenes - as it should be done.
Falkland waters.
This does not mean Moon is insisting on talks-he is neutral.
On that basis alone, why should the British concern themselves about accusations of stealing territory by a people who are, using their own logic, also a bunch of thieving pirates? This is putting aside the Brits own version of events which indicates they are the legitimate owners anyway.
Frankly every discussion about this issue ends in the same circular debate and the same arguments used - Pointlessly circular.
What he needs to do next is close that abortion of a committee (C24) that apparently just marginalises the people it's supposed to represent, ignoring everything from referenda to self-governance, in some attempt to pass sovereignty over these territory to some equally corrupt morally vacuous nation. Then I think the UN will start back on the climb up to making sense again.
Come on Uncle Ban, get your house in order.
SELF-DETERMINATION, If the rabid dog (KFC) does not like it then go to the I.C.J!!!!
otherwise keep barking its all quite useless but highly entertaining.
rollover,beg........beg........good doggy!
@4 Really? They hold legal title to the land. It is a British territory. They hold British passports.
@6 Possession is 9/10ths of the law!
Meanwhile this peace-loving nation, Argentina, continues to militarise the Caribbean and before that they militarised the Persian Gulf but if the UK moves a ship or a prince anywhere near one of its own territories they get attacked for it by an impotent Argentine government.
Chuckle chuckle.
You are nothing but an arse crawler and a disgrace to democracy,
The UN are a bloody disgrace, and no one has any confidence in it anymore .
Its all just anti British rhetoric .
By cowards and yellowbellys .
which both parties ?
Tory Party !...Labour Party !
Reference:
Global Peace Index: www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi-data/
Tell me -you are not an indigenous Patagon are you - your ancestors came originally from Europe correct?
Assuming the answer to above is yes - then please answer this?
What would you say to the remaining indiginous native population of Argentina if they asked all of the non indigenous people to leave, and return Argentina to the descendents of those who lived there before the Europeans arrive?
You still did not improve a thing briton.
You are still stupid...
Haha.
You might want to ask the NATIVE south americans about the europeans that claim their land is called agentina in that case.
..just saying.....
You're becoming funnier, BK... much funnier.
I do not envy him his job.
????
Argentina has seen fit to use it for other disputes, why not for the Falklands if it is such an “obvious” case
I must admit, I think the CFK action has been an orchestrated campaign to run concurrently with the 30th anniversary of the Falklands War to prevent humiliation at home. She's basically run out of things to try now in any case.
The SG offered his “good offices” BECAUSE IT'S HIS JOB when a member state mentions negotiations between themselves and another member state.
You seem to be having more discussions with brainwashed British turnips than with us Argies ;-)
I personally think that your above posts; except No.(47) are quite accurate............
Regards to the Missus ..... and lots of Roo tail chews for Nigger & Nelson.
Maybe he should grow a pair.
You know the old saying, 'it's better to choose a side than sit on the fence and get shot at by both'.
I assume when Ban Ki-moon says both parties he is talking snout Argentina and the Falkland Islands Government.
The British are only involved to ensure fair play, after all. :0D
I'm happy you're losing that bet too..................
Hope it helps you to understand how “wide of the mark” most of the Anglo /Neoliberal Press comments about Argentina are.
Who puts spells on men?
And the slimy coward who did the grassing, has proved my point,
Bloody grass,
Whoever you are,
We hope you get mowed,
Bloody infidel
argg.
But it says your inflation is way over the 'official' figures published by your government. Even with this reduction, Argentina is in deep sh!t, and is already in recession.
Not a good place for any economy to be, especially one to whom the international finance bodies are slamming the doors in its face and refuses to throw good money after bad.
I truly hope that this doesn't get any worse for Argentina, because at times like these it's the poor and middle income families that suffer most. Unfortunately the people who make your policies are completely detached from reality and have already stashed their dollars in overseas bank accounts, so they don't actually care.
They've made their quick buck, and soon it's going to be time for them to skedaddle with their ill gotten gains.
1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas).....”
But I now realise I was alone in my understanding. Thank you for putting me straight.
Rotten to the core,
Shake hands in front of the cameras,
While totally ignoring the poor,
In Syria they scream and cry,
In Africa they starve and die
As long as Cristina can shake your hand,
She will persuade others to steal your land.
.
Thank you for your support in what I'm convinced is a factual rather than an emotional argument (on my part at least). I'm on what appears to be a one man mission to track down those conclusions and recommendations but once the C24 is over I'll pester the secretary to have the chapter made readily available.
Lady McDOD is asleep in front of the TV at the moment. When her maid wakes her I'll pass on your regards. Sleep well yourself if you can.
As my first post stated, all this has been put up on this site endlessly - your mind is made up, so trying to change it is a waste of my time.
There's a big difference, the people that moved to Argentina from Europe or many other places around the world, was not the result of an invasion nor they claimed any part of this country for their country of origin. They become part of Argentina.
www.sacbee.com/2012/06/13/4560246/congressional-resolution-calls.html
Against this, the United Kingdom is a long-standing, never-conquered democracy, a powerful member of the United Nations, a permanent member of the security council, an EU member, a NATO member, a Commonwealth member and a respected member of the international community.
Despite many attacks on the UK by terrorists et al over the years, including the attempted assassination of the Prime Minister, the UK did not give in to terrorists and those using force to achieve their aims. We never give in and we never give up.
The Falkland Islands is an overseas territory of the UK, and this will remain so. Perhaps it is time to incorporate the Falklands into the United Kingdom itself (as an autonomous entity), and remove any doubt that Argentina may have as to our position, or that of our British Citizens in residence there.
One begins to experience serious fatigue listening to the 'macho-moaning' emanating from Queen Christina and Lapdog Timerman. It is only a matter of time before they fade into irrelevance with this broken record.
The wise thing to do (explains why they haven't done it!), would have been to woo the islanders ... but that would have required patience, something Argentina is short of, along with food, jobs, diplomacy, as well as foresight and hindsight.
Argentina is an aggressor. It knows no other way, and cannot demonstrate otherwise.
The UK generally complies with them because it's usually the right thing to do - but when it isn't, it reserves the right to ignore them (as any sovereign UN member has the right to do).
2065 is 47 years old and has been so far overtaken by events that it is now completely moot. As you state, it was created in a very different age, when govts thought little of making grand decisions on others' behalf (“Big hands on small maps” is I believe the quote, can't remember who from).
I'm pretty sure that, had Argentina not had a military govt and subsequently invaded the islands they would now be Argentine. Some mutually acceptable agreement would have been reached between the three parties.
For the UK to have negotiated with the junta prior to the invasion would have been blatantly immoral and afterwards would have been totally unacceptable to the islanders (not surprisingly).
The UK is obliged by the UN charter and (sort of obliged by) 1514 and 2065 to consider the interest (not the wishes) of the islanders. At no point since 1976 has it been in the islanders' interests to be part of Argentina. During the NRP it would have been a human rights disaster to have given Argentina any measure of sovereignty and since 1983 it would have imposed a solution on them that could not have worked due to the total lack of trust the islanders have for Argentina - or not without mass deportation.
To do it any time post 2001 would be shackling them to a corpse (another political quote from an earlier era) and would undo 30 years of their hard work. The only solution for the UK is to bow to self-determination so the islanders can decide when and how much they can deal with Argentina.
By leaving it up to them it avoids forcing a solution on an unwilling population - which I'm sure you'll agree would be a travesty of human rights - we've learned since Diego Garcia.
Dear chap….. You and I know that Nigger fully deserves its name…!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgePEO7GUtE
Besides…..Did you ever noticed Mr. Waters fascination with Nigger....?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2BylK5U2wo (At 1:02:40)
You say....:
“- We've learned since Diego Garcia................”
I ask...:
What have you learned since Diego Garcia................?
People stil deported to misery.
Cold war base still there.
No compensation paid. (Except, what was it? 3,000£ head in the 80´s)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depopulation_of_Diego_Garcia#Internet_petition
Good “learners” you are....!
'Think' your in no position to comment on how one country gets rid of someone it doesn't like as opposed to another. When the british government wanted to remove some people it payed them and moved them to other near by islands, and yes that is bad in principle but compared to the Argentine governments methods it looks rather lightweight, after all when the Argentine government wanted to remove some one they tied them up, bagged and tagged them and moved them by helicopter but instead of it landing at a location it threw them out over it.
@70 Ah, Dambusters and Floyd, the icons of my youth...
You say....:
”(Diego Garcia) serves as a salutory lesson for British politicians on how not to do it.”
I say....:
I hope so.............
Next time you pay a proper compensation to the people you remove.
(The Kelpers are a nice, white bunch of people.... They deserve more than the 3,000£ the Chagossians got..... At lest twice as much...... :-)
About time that you paid compensation to the native Amerindians whose land you or your ancestors stole.
That is if you can find any. Your lot killed most of them.
l suppose you want to blame that on the Junta also!
No dear Thinkus, we're not moving & there is NOTHING that you can do about it.
snigger, snigger!
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