Re-re-election of Cristina Fernandez fully integrated to the political agenda of Argentina
Several groups allied to Argentine president Cristina Fernandez are actively promoting a constitutional review that would allow re-election for a third consecutive four year mandate. The last Argentine constitutional review was in 1994 when the four-year mandate was introduced with the possibility of an only immediate re-election, thus modifying the six year mandate but with no re-election.
“The profile of the president is unequalled. Nobody can supplant her” said on Monday Transport Secretary Alejandro Ramos, thus joining a group of provincial governors and social organizations that want to see the mandate of President Cristina Fernandez which expires in 2015, extended for another four years.
The governors of Neuquén, Jorge Sapag, Mendoza, Francisco Pérez and Jose Luis Gioja from San Juan have openly expressed their support of such an initiative which has caused certain controversy in the political agenda of an always over-politicized Argentina.
“We must allow the re-re-election of the president, which in any case will be first a decision from the candidates, in this case, Cristina, but anyhow it will finally be the electoral body that approves or disapproves”, said Governor Sapag.
Ricardo Forster, a philosopher and a reference of influence for an organization of Argentine intellectuals supporting Cristina Fernandez and her inclusive development model, said that the president “is a unique leader” and if Argentina had a parliamentary system, “CFK re-lection would be indefinite”.
From Congress the leader of the ruling coalition, lawmaker Agustin Rossi said that “from a political point of view there is no constitution reform project, not on my desk or in any other place as far as I know”, but the debate is on the political agenda because “it’s healthy to review or amend the 1994 reform”.
However the opposition which has serious problems of organization and lacks clear objectives argues that the initiative to amend the constitution is evident because the government has “no relay figure” once the president’s term is up in 2015.
“The ultra-followers of Cristina Fernandez will try to modify the constitution so she eternalizes in office. Whatever they say about updating the constitution (to include social issues) is a pack of lies. Since they have no political figure to take over, the only chance is the re-re-election of Cristina” said Ricardo Gil Lavedra head of the Lower House main opposition block.
The president that was re-elected last year with an overwhelming 54.11% of votes cast, and faces mid term elections next year, has said no word, but has not ordered her political allies to avoid the issue as she did a few weeks after her October victory when the ‘ultra-K’ launched the idea of another four years for Cristina Fernandez.
The constitutional reform of 1994 opened the way for then President Carlos Menem (1989/1999) to be re-elected in 1995 for four years, after having been in office six years according to the previous statute of the constitution.
The political agreement to open the way for Menem’s re-election was known as the “Pact of Olivos”, because of the meetings held with his predecessor Raul Alfonsin from the opposition Radicales at the official presidential residence of Olivos. The amendments of interest for Menem where supported in exchange for social reforms included in the 1994 version of the Argentine constitution.
The re-re-election initiative had been anticipated by several Argentine political analysts, Joaquin Morales Solá, Rosendo Fraga, Luis Majul, Martin Lousteau, and journalist-biographer Beatriz Sarli who have pointed out to the president’s strategy of knocking out every possible candidate that might dispute her, both inside her ruling coalition (the evident examples of Buenos Aires governor Daniel Scioli or Cordoba’s Jose Manuel de la Sota, the two strongest provinces) and in the opposition such is the case of Mauricio Macri, governor of the City of Buenos Aires.
Macri has repeatedly said he is a presidential candidate for 2015 and abstained from competing last October 2011 because of the lack of consensus in the opposition. But as head of Argentina’s capital Macri is constantly challenged with the city’s highly subsidized underground system, garbage disposal, metropolitan police, the city’s bank that holds all the funds from judicial litigation and will now be transferred to a federally controlled bank, all decisions with the clear purpose of having Macri on his knees requesting for funds from the central government to finance the city’s structure as happens with the rest of the Argentine provinces.
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I have a theory that Nestor isn't really dead - he's just a cross-dresser !
She will consent to it. She's so self-centred that re-re-election is all she wants to hear in her egotistical daydream. Otherwise she'll try to make her son run for office or a puppet for that matter.
@2
Not all RGs deserve her, though certainly most porteños.
So much Argentinian bile, so many ridiculous Argentinian threats, so many broken Argentinian promises, so much Argentinian hot air and for what? - Absolutely nothing, no progress either, no talks and no coherent ongoing policy that doesn't involve insults and abuse.
As for Turkey Neck, her re-election will merely guarantee more of the same and that the Falkland Islands remain British.
Hurrah, Rule Britannia.
lol.
Next it'll be medals and extremely long salutations.
“Admiral General Empress Queen President-for-life, conquerer of the British, Americans, Chinese and everyone-else really and Last Queen of Port Stanley”. Or some such.
It'll just make her eventual overthrow and execution by angry mob that much funnier when they read out the charges.
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If she argee's to a 3rd term we'll know what the state of democracy is like in argentina. Please any intelligent Argentines do something to stop this theres very good reasons for constitutional law!.
Who are you to post such senseless comments. Mind your own country, wimp!
And turkey neck with botoxed lips wants to make argentina a kingdom with Fatsimo the Kirchner being her successor when the day comes the world rejoices and sings.....“Ding dong the witch is dead, the witch is dead, ding dong the wicked witch is dead” Can we hire munchkins for that or trolls to dance?
Oh and Cristina if you really care about democracy then stop hassling and harranging those who dare question you and your 'policies'.
That should do it.
Dollars running out, Peso in danger of being devalued
More international trade disputes running than any other country
The most protectionist trading nation in the World
Regarded as a pariah state by international money lenders
CFK and Co laughed at, at the G20 and on the World stage
Yes, please re-elect Cristina so the World can keep on laughing at Argentina.
Viva pussy face, empress of Argtania. You get my vote Scrote Throat!
ding dong ding dong...
that's sound like your empty balls....you see ...that's happens with menopausal men...no erection, no passion, no sex!
@21
I live in Argentina when I feel like it....nobody tells me what to do!
Keep the population dumb and on the dole perfect way to destroy a country and they get when they deserve.
What a bunch of morons these Rgs are...
Is none of your business to make comments in MercoPress.
This web site is for Mercosur, southamericans countries and its citizens, OK?
So what are you doing posting here? In America say you, deluded tart say I.
From Chris, the Brit in Uruguay. But at least I live here lawfully and pay taxes here. Do you pay taxes in Argentina, no, I didn't think so.
Sussie when you make an insult of something you could not possibly know, it's not an insult! From a humoropus point of view, you're a gift that keeps on giving.
Thank goodness in 2001 they lost the visa waiver program. It was fun going to the US Embassy in BA and watching them have complete break downs when we denied their visas. They even had the never to ask for the $100 processing fee back! ahahahahaha
Listen? can you hear that? there's that annoying whinning sound again. This time it's coming from over there ( 33 SussieUS )
I wonder how we make that whinny-assed, crybaby sound go away....
Baloney!
I personally think that term limits are a reasonable custom but not a good law. The USA now has them which would prevent a third term if it was really needed (like in the case of FDR).
Labour ousted him. Blair 2 1/2 terms replaced by brown, ousted by Cameron.
Simples!!
1/-Accelerate their economy (developing more industries) to stave off the Argentine threat.
2/-Get their politicians off their asses and get onto the world stage/media to expose the Argentine's innaccurate take on history.
3/-Keep close ties to UK
4/-Prosper in a hostile political environment which will ensure their future (needs must when the devil shits in yer ammo pouches).
5/-Find more ways to become even more self-dependent.
6/-gain more world support as Argentina makes more enemies, and is forced to make more friends with despotic regimes.
7/-Sit and wait patiently until the USA gets off the fence and sides against Argentina.
The FIs will then be in a much stronger position to deal with a more sensible regime when it succeeds CFK
Have we told you how much we love Argentina? It's a dream... at least for an economist with an 'I-told-you-so' bent and a sense of mischief. For everyone else, it is a nightmare.
Argentina is to the economist what a corrupt small town must be to the novelist, where he can see who's sleeping with whom, who's drinking too much, who's not paying his bills, and who's getting too fat. Who's doing right... who's doing wrong... so much inspiration... !
In Argentina – past and present – we get to see the whole gamut of how much damage economists and politicians can do.
You see, Argentina is naturally a rich country. It is big. It has huge potential... with the richest farmland in the world... plenty of water... plenty of minerals and other resources. It's a European country – well, it is inhabited by immigrants from Sicily, which probably explains a lot. As such, it is heir to all the science, experience and philosophy of the Enlightenment... and all of the technological progress of the Industrial Revolution... and all the claptrap theories and perversions of the European and American intellectual elites of the 20th century.
So, what do Argentinians do with their good fortune? They sabotage it, of course. The fifth richest country in the world in 1900... today, it is in 50th place. Buenos Aires has more people in psychotherapy than any other city; a fact which might also explain a lot.
Is there is any policy so wrongheaded that the Argentinians haven't tried it at least twice?
Well, yes... They haven't followed the path of the Bolsheviks... or the Maoists... They haven't engineered mass famines... mass murder (just a few thousand victims, during the military junta years)... or mass land expropriations. But... there's always the future!
What we like about Argentina is that we can observe the mistakes and the dysfunction and still live reasonably we
Also, without wanting to draw any specific parallels... administrations which have done away with term limits around the world before tend to have shown a tendency to grow increasingly corrupt and dictatorial, the longer they linger. Ending up with a president-for-life (or president-until-coup, anyway).
If Cristina Fernandez has the best interests of Argentina at heart she should block any attempt to allow a re-reelection.
It was only a few months ago that the Argentine government expropriated the country's biggest oil company. Now, it has taken over the private company that prints its pesos! Here's that latest from the Buenos Aires Herald Tribune (we like the little paper so much, we're thinking of trying to buy it!):
”... on Thursday the Senate voted by a margin of 44-20 votes to expropriate the Ciccone money-printing company (eight other senators, including ex-president Carlos Menem, remained on the sidelines), all 64 senators could be said to have sound reasons in favour of their stance. Who could argue against the principle of monetary sovereignty underlying this bill (since not even the world's most free-market economies would think of privatizing the coinage)?“
But here is where it gets interesting. When the government expropriates... it pays compensation. It might take over the company printing its money for some sort of deformed patriotic motive. Or, it might do so because insiders have gotten control of the company and are now going to cash out at the taxpayers' expense.
”Whatever the irregularities within Ciccone preceding this move and however justified the suspicions that this nationalization is one vast cover-up, all the shady details of the case are not the concern of Congress, strictly speaking, but of the court investigating the scandal...”
That's what makes everything in financial life on the pampas so darned interesting – you know it's corrupt... but it's usually even more corrupt than you realise. There's often a corruption within the corruption... a back-story... a scam on the scammers...
In short, it is delightful to watch... as long as you're not too close.
Now that the government has taken control of the company that prints its money, what will happen? You can expect that it will do about the same thing as other government-controlled enterprises. Expenses
Gee Whiz!....typical comments of an imbecil!
Get it in your little head....the fact is ...that 3,000 islanders cannot be productive in NOTHING unless they permit entry visas for the 20+ millons of
mexicans illegals found in the USA..to go fishing.....but I doubt if the mexican illegals want to reside in a place like in the frigid islands since the illegals have a good taste for good mexican food such as tasty tacos..
I tell you.. the islanders not too much they can do. Just looking the islands in the internet the islands shows poverty.
The only enemy Argentina has is the UK.
For the last 100 years the UK keeps making unwelcome comments rather than to concentrate and resolve their own weak economy.
I had travel to many foreign countries with my argentine passport including Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Japan, Philippines, America Samoa,
Kwait, Oman, Iran and several of others countries.
People from these countries spoke to me in spanish and demostrated their admiration for Argentina and meeting an argentine citizen.
Argentina is peaceful country. Viva Argentina!
Referenced to “the USA sides against Argentina” . ...please, be advised that the USA cannot afford to have more enemies...their foreign policy still is weak mostly due to the incompetency from former Secretary Rice and present Department of State Secretary Hillary Clinton.
The Department of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, ex-AZ governor, is another mistake made by the “food stamps” US President Obama. She is very incompetent person to manage such difficult responsabilities.
Napolitano only interest in the new position was the increase in salary from $65,000 as governor to $175,000 as secretary of the department.
There was a nice report from Zimbabwe during the worst hyperinflation about how someone had been paid his salary and needed a wheelbarrow to get it home. Unfortunately he was mugged on the way, the thieves tipped out the money and ran off with the wheelbarrow.
Mercosur was created for southamerica and spanish should be the language to use in this web site. The fact you don't speak spanish means mind your own UK country!
@51 Captain PuPu
You sound like generic gay briton, Conqueror, Zhivago, Conor and Isolde, unacceptable english, no money, no class, keep the islands in your arse!
Your male ago only permits you to screw a rat!....
well, well, well, another imbecil working for the UK team.....
I have nothing to hide, call who ever you think that can “deport” me:
here is my address:
Susana Brown
1901 E.Apache Blvd. #114
Tempe Arizona 85281 USA
Same like to Generic Gay Briton I gave you 30 days to serve any legal complaint at my residence. So you have until September 22, 2012 to file or report any type of charges you might wish, but....remember...you have to disclose you full name, address and phone number for my attorney to respond your charges against me in COURT, otherwise, any time of claim challenging my legal status is just a waste of time.
So, get serious if that is what you want....otherwise you are making a fool of yourself!
Perhaps you should move to the Spanish version of the site?
es.mercopress.com/
Cfk for a 3rd term, you have to fill sorry for the man in the street in Argentina. Still if that is what the people want.
:-)
How dictator-like!
The Constitution was specifically designed to prevent this type of political behaviour!
Then adjust your own constitution (non-existant if you are a Brit) and apply these restrictions to it, if you think it is so good.
Leave the Argentinians to do what they want with their own constitution.
The British constitution is the oldest in the world, on which many other constitutions are based. It is not a single document but many written and impoved upon over the years, but it is woven into the very fabric of laws, statutes and institutions going back nearly 1,000yrs.
Unlike, for instance, Argentina's constitution it cannot be changed at whim.
An example. CFK 'nationalises' YPF but this is against the Argentine Constitution so therefore illegal.
CFK rewrites the constitution in days (without any debate) to allow her to nationalise any foreign owned company she wishes without paying for it (known in the rest of the world as stealing), and incredibly applies the changes RETROSPECTIVELY to make her 'nationalisation' of YPF and robbing of Repsol legal (but only in Argentina not in the real world).
In Britain OUR constitution is sacred, in Argentina THEIR (your?) constitution is just an inconvenience to the machinations of the politicians.
Then Argentina has the bare faced cheek to criticise Paraguay for impeaching their own President within the laws and constitution of Paraguay.
Typical double standards, lying and cheating that we expect from CFK.
But you support her no matter what she does, don't you Guzz? Even when she is robbing your supposed country blind, you cheer her on. Doesn't that make you a traitor to your own country?
Educate me, what is the procedure if the Argentines want to change their own constitution?
Unlike real countries where it takes several years because the thought of changing a document as important as a countries constitution is not taken in the samae manner as creating or changing a law.
Well apparently the President just changes it on whatever whim or political expediency occurs. No debate, just change it, and applying it in the past - that's a new one.
Now the Argentine government accused Paraguay of not following due process in the impeachment of their President, even though they followed the letter of their constitution, debated it, and didn't have to 'adjust' the wording or apply it retrospectively to make it legal.
So Paraguay follows its constitution and they are painted as 'the bad guys' by you Guzz. Argentina breaks it's own constitution, rewrites it and applys it retrospectively and they are painted as 'the good guys' by you.
You have a very strange concept of what is right and what is wrong, but we all knew that.
I mean you suppport a suspected rapist just to have a 'dig' at the USA and UK. Anything the UK or USA say MUST be a lie, and everything CFK says MUST be the truth (even when the proof shows she lies).
You have a very warped value system. Not only that you support a FOREIGN country over your OWN country. That makes you a traitor.
What change in the constitution did CFK made without fulfilling the requirements of the very same?
Any Argentine is free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't support Argentina over Uruguay, I support Latin America :)
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 01:03 pm
Okay Guzz but only when Argentina strikes any mention of the Falkland Islands or 'Malvinas' out of its constitution and keeps its nose out of UK/FI affairs. Then you have a deal.
But when one 'Latin American' country is being belligerent to your country, you support that Latin American country.
That makes you a traitor.
Also you support a Latin American country over your 'other' country, Sweden' so you are a traitor to Sweden too.
The Argentine government can change their constitution as they wish, but they hardly went through due process (something they accuse Paraguay of - more double standards?). But nowhere in international law are you allowed to retrospectively apply laws and constitutions retrospectively.
So the Argentine government acted illegally and seized Repsol's share of YPF.
Before supporting countries, I support ideologies. It's that simple.
I think CFK is great in some ways, Pepe in some, Chavez in others and so on.
Together they form Latin America. Your Paraguayans are the oligarchy, our natural prey...
How do you know the laws for every constitution of the world, I asked you and you couldn't answer about the one you are most fervant about. All of the sudden you have inside info on the rest of the planet?
Not any country that I know of bases its constitution on international law, even though some parameters might remind of eachother...
What this imbecil is trying to say?
How very convenient of you LEP :)
So because Paraguay doesn't support your socialist Marxist Lenin utopia (which the Soviet Union tried and it failed miserably), you believe them to be your enemy, or as you put it 'your natural prey'.
So you want to destroy democracy and replace it with dictatorship?
To be honest I'm not surprised. You want everyone to agree with you, and if they don't then they are your enemy.
You are the epitome of a fanatic. As Churchill said, 'a fanatic is one who can't change his mind, and won't change the subject.'
The Nazi's were fanatics. The Communists were fanatics. And Guzz is a fanatic.
Fanaticism usually leads to the fanatics committing atrocities on the 'unbelievers'.
Too late, you've let your true intentions slip.
You hate democracy, you hate freedom, and you hate anyone who doesn't automatically agree with everything you say.
You enjoy the freedoms of democracy, paid for with the blood of previous generations, yet you spit on that democracy and abuse it.
I honestly hope that the Paraguayans make a deal with the US for them to build a military base.
It means that your 'dream' of a united south america, under the communist jackboot of CFK and Chavez will never happen. Because they only way to truly unite south America at present would be the bloody suppression of all opposition.
Tell me, Guzz, have La Campora (aka the Hitler Youth) been training you how to throw the 'unbelievers' out of helicopters? Or are you just going to bury them alive?
Don't impose your ideals on me. I said Your Paraguayans, the oligarchy. You are aiming at clouds...
You mean my ideals of freedom, justice, truth, respect and dignity for all people, as opposed to your ideals of oppression, lies, disrespect and injustice to anyone who doesn't agree with your views.
Fanatic. Can't change you mind, won't change the subject.
Suspenders.
You haven't a clue about the Falkland Islands at all have you?
If Argentina are so popular why are their best mates, Syria Venuezuela (led by a chav ), Iran, Cuba and Angola?
Hardly impressive. In fact its pathetic.
Fact. The Falkland Islands can run their country without getting in to debt, and run it properly. Argentina is developing more and more as the laughing stock of the world.
Why do you think the FIG can get investment in their oil fields from international partners (despite Argentines bullying), and Argentina is finding it hard to attract investment in its oil shale fields?
Answer=Falkland Islands understand business, whilst Scrotum Neck spends all her time Whiiinnnnniiiiiiinnnngggggggggggggggg, (and screwing the Argentine economy).
How much of its GDP does Argentina spend on its education, eh suspenders? Not the 25% that the FIG spends on its people.
It's the Argentines who are the straw suckers in comparison, (not their fault when they've got a fascist originated party like the Peronists -buddies with Hitler in WW2-leading them to poverty).
do your math..
what the 3,ooo produce is what they spent, otherwise the islanders could lend US$ 1 trillion + like China lends to my USA?
Where is it?
Liverpool club: good
Winston Churchill: good
Pink Floyd: good
Isolde: ♥ beautiful
British lies: very bad.
Cristina, stop, enough. Respect our constitution.
who are you...can tell us you name, address and phone?
Oh, no, wait - don't!!!
You are a pimply teenage cross dresser living in your Mom's basement. LOL
Miss Suspenders.
The FIG runs with a surplus of money, so it is not in debt.
However the Falkland Islands are a small country the size of Northern Ireland so they do not have the huge amounts of money that China, UK, USA etc have.
However the Falkland Islanders unlike so many other people in the world are satisfied with what they have and..............happy with their country.
And none of them are in poverty.
My math is fine my dear.
Why do you want personal data?
@90 The Malvinas Islands is part of a country, Argentina.
Pete, come and meet your country.
We love CFK, US, UK and WTO can go 'F' themselves and thanks for everything.
Islas Falklands
L.R. | Montevideo
@| ”In its `La Clave` column, El País of 17/8 remarked that in the website of the President of the Republic’s office, President Mujica had signed decrees mentioning Islas Falkland instead of Malvinas. It was later clarified that it was a mistake to have referred to the islands as Falklands.
The real mistake is to call them Malvinas. The islands are British territory, their administration is British, their flag is the flag of the United Kingdom, the inhabitants speak English and do not even in jest wish to come under Argentine administration. A war was fought (according to the Argentines, because the British call it a battle) in 1982, provoked by the Argentines to defend the islands’ sovereignty. After having invaded the islands with enormous fanfare and huge enthusiasm in the Plaza de Mayo, the Argentines soon surrendered and were returned to their land on English ships. A vintage disgrace, as we have seen so often in their history.
In Latin America everyone has always gone on and on about human rights, respect for peoples’ self-determination, free elections and non-interference in countries’ internal affairs. But, and this is very important, all these principles and lofty statements and declarations of unviolable principles ratified by the United Nations’ Charter are not valid in the case of the inhabitants of the Falklands or, more recently, those of Paraguay. In these cases what is valid is Argentine high-handedness or, of late, that of Brazil and Uruguay, not to mention Chávez, now Mercosur’s new chieftain.
Free elections and self-determination for the people of Cuba is another exception to the above universal rules, and there are ideological explanations for this that fully satisfy the new democrats in power, who modify laws and universal principles according to momentary circumstances. Politics takes precedence over law.”
That is a truth.
The other truth is that its inhabitants be there long ago.
When the two parties understand this, the solution will be possible.
Regards.
what flag is flying in this territory? No solution necessary
what flag is flying in this territory?
if, by rule of force.
Malvinas is an Argentine territory, occupied by the British by force.
blah, blah, whine and cry!!!
Grow some balls!!!!!!
What an excellent letter. It is as if I had written it myself.
Wonder how Guzz will spin it.
The only people to ever use force in the Falklands are the Argentinians.
Answer me this.
In 1833 the British removed a FAILED illegal military penal colony from the Falklands, and returned them to the United Provinces to face justice for the murder of their commanding officer.
The Royal Navy then went on its way, and no British military presence was left on the islands.
So if the United Provinces (later Argentina) believed that the Falklands was their territory why didn't you reclaim it in 1833, or 1834, or 1835, or in fact any time in the 19th century? I mean, no British military forces on the islands would have made it easy for the UP to take the islands, surely?
Why in 1850 did the Argentinian government sign a treaty with Britain stating that they had no outstanding disputes, if they believed the Falklands was theirs? Why did the Argentinian government produce maps that clearly show that they didn't consider the Falklands Argentinian?
Why, in fact, did Argentina wait over 100 years before making your ridiculous claims about British usurpation of the Islands?
You see, the Argentinians of the 19th and early 20th century didn't give the Falklands a second thought, because they knew that the Falklands were British.
You nazi friend, Peron, was the one who started making up stories about how the British expelled the poor Argentines from the Falklands; and people like you cling onto that ridiculous lie even when evidence proves that it is a lie.
You see, Maldives1833, you constantly allow corrupt people to rule you and when they can no longer hide the fact that they've fecked up your country once more, they pull out the Falklands and wave it in your face.
And people like you Maldives1833 are too brainwashed or too stupid to realise it.
So the Falkland Islanders, who have lived on the Islands for nearly 200 years, are the only ones, by international law, that can decide their own future.
That future won't be with Argentina.
1901 E.Apache Blvd. #114
Tempe Arizona 85281 USA
Sybil, why are you boasting about this address???
It is very much a low-end neighbourhood. I see that next door, you have Bob's Tire Coral, Modern World Adult Boutique, a Police station (must be noisy at night), a self-storage yard (many break-ins?), a big UPS depot and warehouse, train tracks on the south end of the property, a Ramada motel (always built on cheap semi-industrial land in fringe areas), and a bunch of rundown cheap tract homes.
Is this the sort of place that an internationally travelling, professional couple live in????
Your neighbours seem to be scruffy types with “hoodies” and sweatpants. Your little apartment complex is in the middle of a high-crime, low-rent slum. That's where they put police stations), and you only have one tiny pool for 200 apartments. Nice.
I'm surprised you even have Internet !!
Dial-up, maybe????
No wonder you are bitter LOL LOL LOL LOL
You know that the treaty was a great humiliation for Great Britain?.
You know that this treaty is not related to Malvinas?
You know that that treaty restored the status quo to the situation before the British invasion? That is, good relations, despite the Argentine claim to the Malvinas?.
You know Argentina bled into a civil war (as happened later in the U.S.) so I was not able to retake the islands?
1850, blah blah, blah, read this:
“The piratical expedition to Paraná River , was one of the grossest attacks against an independent state that has ever been committed never.”
Lord Howden, a member of the House of Lords.
Strange, pirate expeditions once again in our country.
The islands are Argentina, come and meet the rest of his country.
Regards.
Anyway, do you know how to set up e-petitions, because I would want to try and put this into the HoL?
I see that you definitely haven't read the treaty of perfect friendship. It didn't mention the Falklands, but it did say that Argentina and Great Britain had NO outstanding disputes.
Now I know this is difficult for you to understand, but that means that the Argentinians in 1850 accepted that the Falklands were British territory.
You didn't inherit them from Spain, another lie, because Spain only renounced sovereignty in the 1840's, which meant that the UP was tresspassing on both Spanish and British sovereign territory.
When Spain renounced its sovereignty, it left Britain as the only valid claimant left. Spain, itself, didn't even recognise Argentina as being independent from them until 10 years AFTER they'd dropped their claim to the Falklands. Keep spouting the same old crap, which have been shown to the world to be lies.
But even if all you said were true, it doesn't matter. The people of the Falklands have lived continuously on the islands for 200years. Since we are now in the 21st century, that means the land belongs to them. You cannot reset the clock just because you don't like something.
Laws:
19th century - Britain retain sovereignty after throwing off illegal military settlement. The UP don't attempt to recover them. Civil war is no excuse, no mention of the claim for over 100yrs, and your civil war didn't last that long.
20th century - Argentina invade, the British kick you off. Your country breaks international law, starts a war and is defeated. The inhabitants of the islands state they want to remain British. So by 20th century law the islands are British.
21st century - Argentina lies and cries on the international stage, everyone ignores them. The inhabitants of the Islands restate their wish to remain British, and say they will hold a UN supervised referendum to show the world their self determination to remain British. So by 21st century law the islands are British.
Argentina hasn't got a legal leg to stand on.
We return to the former situation between the two countries before British military intervention.
The agreement involved to the President of Uruguay, Oribe, who must give its consent to the agreement.
In an agreement by the Malvinas Islands is involved the President of Uruguay? Absurd. It is so absurd that even the Foreign Office is not used as an argument of defense.
“but it did say that Argentina and Great Britain had NO outstanding disputes.”
Brought out the differences that began with the British blockade and interrupted political and commercial relations.
Read the article 1. It has no connection with Malvinas.
No mention that there are no outstanding disputes.
More lies British?
“A number of historians have commented on the relation of the Convention of Settlement to the Falklands dispute. The Mexican diplomat and historian Carlos Pereyra considers that General Rosas gave up the claim to the Falklands in order end Britain's involvement in the River Plate. Pereyra adds that the effect of the Convention was as if it had had an unwritten article stating that “Britain retained the Falkland Islands.” Pereyra’s book was reprinted in Buenos Aires in 1944, with the same statements.
The impact of the treaty was also raised in a 1950 debate on Argentina's claim to the Falklands by a member of the Argentine Chamber of Deputies, Absalón Rojas. Rojas complained that the treaty restoring “perfect friendship” between Britain and Argentina without any reference to the Falklands was a serious omission and a weak point of the Argentine claim. As a result Rojas blamed General Rosas for the loss of the Falklands.
Other Argentine historians have indicated that the Convention of Settlement has a negative impact upon Argentina's modern sovereignty claim. These include historian Ernesto Fitte and Alfredo R. Burnet-Merlín. Both indicate that the omission of any mention of the Falklands in the treaty was a “a concession to Britain or a culpable oversight”.”
Yeah Maldives, keep telling yourself that, but your own academics believe that the treaty basically grants Soveignty of the Falklands to the British.
Crying about it nearly 200 years later is pathetic.
And we haven't even mentioned the homocide of the NA indigenous...
Where did I say that Guzz?
The British aren't invasive, we are just protecting our property from a country that is invasive, and has tried the invasion option twice. And twice that country lost.
And once again you try to deflect the topic, now onto North America. Well all those instances or homicide, and even genocide of North Amerindians are well documented and acknowledged.
But this thread is about whether CFK will once again treat the Argentine Constitution like an inconvenience, and change it to allow her a third term.
There is a reason most countries limit the term of the President, it is to prevent them from becoming dictators. If CFK gets elected (and I use elected in the loosest possible term due to the rife corruption within the Argentine electorial process), she will never leave power until she is forced to.
You would think that a country like Argentina, who has seen the worst aspects of dictatorship, would try to avoid allowing another on to happen.
But then you don't really care about that, do you Guzz? All you care about is the creation of the United Socialist Soviet Republic of South America, and anyone who doesn't believe in it is your enemy and must be destroyed, right?
I mean, that's what you really believe, isn't it? Not about people or their rights, but about realising your beliefs no matter who get killed in the process.
Why are all of you free to choose whom you elect and re-elect, and at the same time you point fingers at others telling them to keep their out-dated constitutions? Aren't people free to changte their w constitutions, or do they have to ask your persona first
Really, do try to keep up...
Re-election of a PM is therefor the same as re-election of a President.
Actually, systems that have Presidents and Prime Ministers tend to be a lot more stable. You see the President is Head of State, the Prime Minister is Head of Government. Each has roles and responsibilities, and are there as a counter balance to each other to prevent dictatorship.
They are similar in structure to constitutional monarchies like the UK, Japan, Denmark and the Netherlands.
But if your President is Head of State as well as Head of Government, it is easier for them to grab full control.
THAT is why most countries that only have Presidents and not Prime Ministers tend to limit the number of terms a President can serve.
If CFK or her cronies rewrite the constitution it paves the way for potential dictatorship. That doesn't necessarily mean that it will happen, but the longer someone is in power the less likely they're going to want to let go.
Not only that, but it shows the world that in Argentina, the constitution is just a tool for the politicians that can be changed at a whim, and doesn't actually promise any protection to the citizens of Argentina.
While Rosas imposed conditions for the signing of the treaty, Oribe presents its conformity and Britain was humiliated, Moreno presents a new protest claiming the islands.
There is no article that even Argentina can interpret that gives the islands.
Again. Read the treaty.
And again the British lies crumble like a castle of cards.
Pathetic lies.
These are YOUR historians saying this, oh but because they don't support your erroneous view they must be liars, mustn't they?
You are getting pathetically desperate now though, aren't you?
But to be honest, it's all irrelevant talking about 19th century politics and what may or may not have happened. In the 21st century only one law counts. That is international law. And under international law, the Falklands belong to the UK.
Under the UN charter the Falkland Islanders have the right to determine their own future, and next year they will vote and show the world that they have a voice. Then they will petition the UN to remove the word malvinas from every piece of international documentation, and to remove the Falklands from the C24 decolonisation list, and hopefully disband this outdated useless body.
The UN will declare that the Falkland Islanders are British by their own choice, until such a time they wish to change their own status. That's self determination.
In the meantime, certain sections of Argentine society seem to be trying to undermine the Argentine constitution to allow dictatorship. You know, I would've thought you would've all learned after last time that dictatorships are not a good thing.
Poor, poor Maldives. Trying to apply 19th century law in the 21st century, and the funny thing is, by 19th century law the Falklands were British too.
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!
”In the 21st century only one law counts. That is international law. And under international law, (the Falklands belong to the UK.)“ Wrong
It is a special case subject to negotiations between Argentina and the United Kingdom.
Continue lying.
In relation to Cristina and his reelection, I disagree with this.
”JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!” Expresses the impossibility of sustaining his lie.
So Presidents are more inclined to be dictators being heads of states AND government, compared to a PM that is head of government only. For that very same reason, according to you. That's about the most foolish arguement you have presented until now. All cathegories.
Congrats :)
You obviously don't understand how these joint systems of government work. They counter-balance each other so no one person has total power, and it makes it more difficult for one person to seize and hold onto power.
I'm surprised you didn't know that being a Swedish/ Uruguayan/Argentine/Norweigan citizen.
Oh I forgot, you only like systems of government that agree totally with your position of totalatarianism, and all dissenters are your enemy to be eliminated.
As for Maldives @116. Nope the only thing that will matter is that vote on self determination next year. Then Argentina will have missed out on any chances regarding the Falkland Islanders.
You only have yourselves to blame though. 30 years ago a murderous junta, that had already killed 30,000 of its own citizens invaded the Falklands and threatened to ethnically cleanse them.
The people of Argentina have had 30 years to show the people of the Falklands that you are not like those people. 30 years to build bridges of trust, friendship and cooperation. 30 years to try and woo the islanders and show them the benefits of being Argentinian.
But you did none of these things. You continued to burn bridges, you have threatened them economically and militarily. You continue to lie about them to the international community and try to intimidate them into submission.
Argentina isn't a responsible country. It isn't acting peacefully towards the islanders. And next year the islanders will tell the international community that they want nothing to do with a country that wants to remove their freedoms and oppress them.
You see Argentina offers the islanders scorn, belligerance and oppression.
The UK offers the islanders friendship, protection, freedom and the choice of choosing their own destiny including independence should they want it.
And that is why the Falkland Islands will never be Argentine.
Couldn't of said it better myself.
Beautifully stated.
That should be final and make things clear, but waiting to see who will be the first to bluster, deny, change the subject...
Look, I'll make this easy for you, because from where I'm standing, your post makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm Uruguayan, which would mean that I'm from Uruguay, a country that borders to Argentina, Brazil and the Atlantic Ocean. Processed that? Good.
Now, I also have a Swedish passport, as I spent quite many years in that place. Great place, Sweden, a country that borders to Norway and Finland and, by water, to Denmark, Germany, Poland and the three Baltic states.
That's an easy one, shouldn't take too long to process...
Finally, I'm in Denmark now, a country that I reside in while acquiring my license. As I don't have a Danish passport, I will not post the countries that neighbours it, and there is no need to give it any more thought.
Now, could you try to re-post your gibberish as I don't have a single clue as to what you are on about...?
Why if the Falklands were some kind of exception to the “perfect friendship between Her Britannic Majesty's Government and the Government of the Confederation”, is this not specifically mentioned in the Treaty? There are specific arrangements concerning Martin Garcia island, the Parana river, the Uruguay river, but not a tweet about the Falklands, and this in spite of the enormous outrage you would have us believe was perpetrated there in 1833.
Why the omission, do you think?
See if the format looks familiar:
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Good try sussie/Susana/britona
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The good relationships are restored to their previous state.
There have always been good relations between the two countries, despite the difference of Malvinas.
Regards.
@118 LEP It's easy to offer independence, with the stolen land to another country.
The car that I stole from you, I give it to my best friend, wonderful!
“You see Argentina offers the islanders scorn, belligerance and oppression.”
Come, meet Argentina, drink with us and see the reality.
Do you ever wonder why you can't get a husband?
Sorry about posting her/it's rants twice.
It does seem to go on and on, already :-(
But Malvi, the Treaty states that it aims at “putting an end to the existing differences”. Now, if the Falklands issue was at the time “an existing difference”, but the Treaty wasn't intended to put an end to it, then surely something should have been said to exclude it?
I mean, a person might easily conclude that the Treaty had in fact put an end to the existing differences. Look at the confusion that might cause. Argentine governments might even forget about the difference for most of the next 80 years.
Argentina has never proven (because all your facts are infact 'lies) that the British stole the islands.
And you very conveniently forget that the land you live on was stolen by your ancestors from someone else.
There never was an indigenous population in the Falklands, but there was in south america. If fact you ancestors made a point of not just stealing the land from these people, but of attempting to wipe them out through genocide and ethnic cleansing. The same way the dealt with the pesky problem of all those African slaves. Rather than set them free, your ancestors decided to wipe them out too. I mean God forbid that anyone who wasn't white live in glorious Argentina!
A Jesus once said. 'Let he who is without sin, cast the 1st stone.“ or you could try the more modern version. ”People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.”
Poor Maldives1833, refuses to accept reality, and the reality of the 21st century is the right to self determination for all people, the very core of the UN charter. A charter that Argentina signed, and therefore has to abide by.
Argentinas arguments:
-the British stole it and evicted the colonists. Well British sovereignty predates the UP's existence, and the colonists were not expelled, that is proved to be an Argentine lie.
-Argentina inherited them from Spain. Another lie. Spain didn't drop it's sovereignty claims to the islands until the mid 1840's, they didn't recognise Argentina as independent from them until the 1860's.
-the Falklands are a part of Argentine territorial integrity. Er, nope, they're not and never have been. In fact in 1833, Argentina (or rather the UP) was more than 1000 miles away.
Besides self-determination, can even trump territorial integrity. Kosovo is a case in point, so if the people of Patagonia decided they wanted independence they have the right to vote on it, there is a precedent set.
Face it, by 21st c law, Argentina has no claim, just like it didn't in the 19th or 20th c.
If there is such thing as the Malvinas why is it's government , not called the Malvinas Islands Government?
Whwn I lived in the Falkland Islands I was not paid in Pesos and saw no reference on official documents to'The Malvinas.'
Why are all the signs on the Falkland Islands in that name and not Malvinas?
You are living in a fantasy world my friend.
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