Thursday, August 30th 2012 - 04:55 UTC

Canada confirms Falklands self determination despite lobbying from companies operating in Argentina

The Canadian government reaffirmed its support of the Falkland Islands and their right to self determination, according to a report from the Canadian edition of The Wall Street Journal.

Baird: “we support the self-determination of people everywhere around the world”

Apparently Gold miner Barrick Gold Corp has lobbied Ottawa over its support for the Falklands Islands, “wading into a centuries’ old controversy and highlighting the increased complexities of doing business in Argentina, the country that claims sovereignty over the south Atlantic Islands”.

The WSJ reports that this week, Canada’s Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird revealed that the world’s largest gold producer had lobbied the government over its position supporting the right of Falkland Islanders to retain the territory’s status as a UK Overseas Territory.

The Falklands have been under British rule and now under UK defence protection since 1833, a status quo the three thousand-plus Islanders say they want to keep. Argentina claims that when becoming independent at the beginning of the XIXth century it inherited the Malvinas from the Spanish empire

The Canadian government supports the Islanders position and at April’s Summit of the Americas in Colombia, Prime Minister Stephen Harper stymied an Argentine request to get the Falkland’s issue onto the meeting of heads of state’s concluding communiqué.

Foreign Minister Baird told reporters that Barrick, which has two gold mines in Argentina, had “raised a concern” about the government’s position among other matters. The lobbying appears to have had little effect in Ottawa.

“The issue of Canada’s policy does not change, we support the self-determination of the people of the Falkland Islands, as we do people everywhere around the world” Mr. Baird said, according to a transcript of the comments.

“Barrick is registered to lobby on various matters that affect our business… they include: mining, taxation, international trade, international relations and finance” a Barrick spokesman said, according to the WSJ piece.

Under President Cristina Fernandez Buenos Aries has been putting pressure on companies that deal with the Falklands Islands and the U.K., banning any shipping from Argentine ports to the Islands and demanding local companies to boycott British goods.

It has also threatened with legal action against all those companies, and their logistics support including financial and banking, involved in the Falklands’ oil industry.

The Argentine decision was also communicated to the stock exchanges where the Falklands’ licensed oil companies or farm-ins shares are traded.  Nevertheless several companies from the US, UK and Europe have associated with the exploration companies operating in Falklands’ waters.

Last December at a Mercosur summit in Uruguay, Argentina received the solidarity from the South American continent to ban docking in regional ports of all those vessels flying the ‘pirate’ flag of the Falklands.
 

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1 BLACK CAT (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:09 am Report abuse
Surprise surprise
2 Joe Bloggs (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:19 am Report abuse
Thanks again for your continuing support Canada.
3 brit abroad (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:44 am Report abuse
RG posters!!!!!

You keep telling us that the WHOLE WORLD supports your Falklands claim!

Now, look how stupid you all look AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4 Gordo1 (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:56 am Report abuse
Good for Canada! What about the other Commonwealth countries who are affiliated to ALBA and who are members of the Organisation of American States?
When will these countries stand up like Canada and show overt and robust support for the Falkland Islands?
5 Frank (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:23 am Report abuse
Bugger Barrick!!
6 Xect (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:37 am Report abuse
USA, Canada, Australia and the UK as ever stand together.
7 Alexei (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:31 am Report abuse
The thing is Canada, like the US, New Zealand and Australia are former British colonies, in the true sense of the word. These countries were actually colonised, unlike many of the failed states that constantly whine about colonialism, countries which were never colonised, but merely conquered and occupied.

Contrast and compare former Spanish colonies such as Venezuela, Argentina and Cuba with Canada, Australia and New Zealand. We start to see where the anti-Anglo hostility and racism comes from. Plain old jealousy and a massive, albeit justified, inferiority complex.

Unfortunately we can't rely 100% on the support of the United States at this time, despite the vast majority of United States citizens supporting the Falkland Islanders' just cause, with the current fence-sitting apologist muppet in the White House. Hopefully he won't be there much longer, now many north Americans are waking up.

Cheers Canada! :)
8 Britworker (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:38 am Report abuse
@6
That's an odd thing to say? I would say on the whole we pretty much do. Thank goodness for Canada, a shining light on the American continent and supporters of self-determination around the world.
9 Teaboy2 (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:33 am Report abuse
Clear and worrying sign of Barrick putting their own drive for profit before peoples human rights. They should be ashamed of themselves, especially when the ban on ships connected to the falklands oil exploration and extraction has little to no effect on barricks activities in Argentina. Using that as an excuse as to why they lobbied the canadian government on the falklands issue is pure shameful in my opinion.
10 Zhivago (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:06 am Report abuse
I wonder if this means they are going to raise the “Canadian tax” we have to pay when entering Argentina, 75$US!!!! Luckily I am free to purchase, save, trade and even get paid in greenbacks unlike other places.
11 Musky (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:16 am Report abuse
Well done Canada. And Barrick sucks for putting dollars and profit before the right to self determination.
If the falklands discover a rich seem of gold I doubt if Barrick will be invited to dig for it.
12 LEPRecon (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:17 am Report abuse
Yes Argentina, you cannot intimidate free democratic countries.

Well done Canada, put this self serving company back in its box. Profits over human rights, Barrick should be ashamed of themselves.
13 War Monkey (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:17 am Report abuse
@9 Teaboy2 (#)
Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:33 am

They would sell their own children if it turned a profit.
14 Martin Woodhead (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:31 am Report abuse
Well done canada
15 vestias (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:37 am
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16 Mrlayback (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:45 am Report abuse
Barrick Gold & CFK they have something in common ! they put profit before people's rights. The question now is: will she ban the company because of Canada's full support or will she allow them to keep digging for her lovely gold.......
17 agent999 (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:46 am Report abuse
@15
Let there be referendum for citizens Falklands Falklands is the people who have the key to the door and not politicians in a democracy the people speaks louder
18 LEPRecon (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:49 am Report abuse
@16 - Mrlayback

She'll probably steal...er...nationalise the company. That'll learn Canada, and of course, we all know how well Agentina runs companies, so thy'll be importing gold by the end of September.
19 Idlehands (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:55 am Report abuse
How much effort did Barrick put into the lobbying? It may be simply a “we tried” situation to gain favour in Argentina while knowing full well they couldn't change Canadian policy.

A bit like the nod SA countries give in relation to sovereignty while barely giving any substantive help.
20 Boovis (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:59 am Report abuse
“Dear Sir,

regarding your company's recent lobbying of the Canadian parliament over the Falklands sovereignty issue; the people of the Falklands have constantly stated that they wish to remain as a British Overseas territory, the Government of Argentina has blocked their shipping, air routes, harassed the locals, filmed offensive propaganda, done everything to ignore the islanders' wishes and basic human rights.
According to your website:
”Barrick Gold Corporation is dedicated to recognizing and respecting human rights wherever we do business. Barrick’s Corporate Social Responsibility Charter affirms our commitment to observe the fundamental tenets of human rights. This commitment is embedded in our corporate culture and is aligned with the principles in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.“

Please tell me how your current approach on this issue reflects the human rights of these people?

regards,”

P.S. If they found gold in the islands would you change your tune?
21 Frank (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:09 am Report abuse
I think Killitoff's bother boys have been knocking on Barrick's door.....but as said above barrick can now say 'we did our best...'
22 M_of_FI (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:22 am Report abuse
Everyone, take note of this quote...

“The issue of Canada’s policy does not change, we support the self-determination of the people of the Falkland Islands, as we do people everywhere around the world”

A fundamental right that everyone on the planet is entitled to.
23 GALlamosa (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:31 am Report abuse
Thanks Canada. Pity the USA lacks your balls to do what is right, but we'll keep working on it.
24 PirateLove (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:45 am Report abuse
Canada.......Full Respect!

no pussy footing about tell it as it is straight forward.

In a way Argentina has done the Falklands a massive favour, by threatening potential oil companies with legal action, they have unwittingly scared off any half-arsed investors who would not have been 110% committed to the oil exploration, clearly leaving behind the present investors in The Falklands oil and gas who have shown full commitment in the face of Argentinas vile threats, instead Argentina has weeded out time wasters who will surely move on to YPF.

So Argentina we thank you, what would we do without you :)

SELF DETERMINATION!!

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!
25 ChrisR (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:46 am Report abuse
We can all see where this might go next.

TMBOA will scweem and scweem and scweem until she is sick and the she will steal the gold mining operations from Barrick, just like she stole YPF.

Then gold production will stall under Argie 'experts' ha, ha, ha, just like oil has in YPF.

Any of the Brits want to bet against this?
26 Idlehands (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:58 am Report abuse
Has there even been a rumour yet that the Argentine goverment might actually pay Repsol for their expropriation of YPF? I've no doubt they would ever pay the market value but they don't seem to be making any effort to pay anything at all.
27 EnginnerAbroad (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
This is quite clearly be motivated by the fact that Barrick are having some real issues getting the Pasca-LLama project off the ground here in San Juan Argentina. Recently they have faced problems from the local government moving the goal post with regards concsessions which lie under the glaciers. I am going to be a little sceptical and suggest this was aucostrated by Barrick and the Canadian government so that a big press frenzy would develope which would a) Allow Barrick to be seen in a positive light by the Argentine government, therefore helping greese the wheels of power (yes it is that politcaly corrupt here) and b) allow the Canadian government to devleop there relationship with the islanders and the UK ahead of possible oil exploration contracts in the future.

All in all very savy politics but without really any substance.

@25 There are no Argentine experts. Thats is why Barrick ( a Canadian company) The people my company deals with are Candians and Americans (US) the problem with lack of experianced staff is so bad that even supply chain companies (like the one I work for) have senior mining engineers from the UK, Canada and US within the operations here.
28 Idlehands (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
orchestrated ??
29 malen (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
In that case I am going to Liverpool, and put some defense in an appartment, nobody enters nobody goes, and its all argie, habitants are argies, I expell the british and you should give me self determination.
Cánada its not part of SA, is a country which its head of state is a UK Queen flying in helicopter now as his principito.
And second boycott of english products??? where?? banning of shipping??
The Faflklnads flag is not allowed, use the other, and stealing fish and oil is not allowed to introduce unilateral decissions in a territory in dispute, come on, things must be done obeiding rules.
30 gustbury (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
not speak Canada spoke Barrick gold!!!!!!!!! :O
31 pgerman (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
I live in the wonderful Canada and unfortunately most Canadians ignore the recent and past history of the Islands. Very few know that the islands were once a dependency of the Province of Buenos Aires. None of them knows that Lexington, Clio or Sarandi have ever existed. Nobody knows who Luis Vernet was so they are more than surprised when I tell them another version of this history.

Analyzing Alexei's comments regarding the current difference between the former British colonies and the former Spanish ones and I think that he is partially true.
On the one hand, undoubtedly countries like Australia, New Zealand or Canada are the envy of the educated classes in Argentina. I believ that this envy trigered the traditional anglophilia of the Argentine society. Something that is usually criticized by local nationalists and Catholics. But on the other hand, countries like India, part of the Middle East and Africa were also former British colonies but thet are in worse situation than most of the American countries today.

I was also thinking about the comment of Mr. PirateLove (“Argentina So we thank you, what would we do without you”) ... whiout Argentina there are no ports where boats can moor, there is no maritime zone where surfing and most likely, very soon, there won't be airspace to flight. There shouldn't be any complaints from the Islanders, or the UK, if the Argentine Govenrment continues with its current policy of isolating Argentina from the Islands. It will correspond to the UK Government to afford the flights from London (or any other far away place) and the Islands. It's part of the diplomatic “games”.
32 Islas Malvinas (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
@7 Alexei

So... after comparing Venezuela, Argentina and Cuba with Canada, Australia and New Zealand you conclude that anti-Anglo hostility and “racism” comes as a result of these jealous inferiority complexed Spaniard countries.

That´s a very narrow and simplistic explanation. I invite you to take a look to a history book for once in a while.

British adventures around the world were not limited to these “succesful” countries you seem to be so much proud of. If you look a little bit harder you´ll find the Brits have done their nasty stuff and that the anti ango hostility has a much broader explanation...

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jul/22/comment.mainsection
The brutal story of British empire continues to this day

I´m more into believing the Brits are much more racist than Argentina and Venezuela. Take into account Birtish actions around the World...

And you don´t have to go back that long ago in time... think of Chaggos Islands.

Seems like “self-determination” is for the british descent...
Wonder who the racists are.
33 Idlehands (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
32 Islas Malvinas

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
34 malen (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 01:11 pm Report abuse
32 Very good article you post!! Last phrase a truth. Latter i ll to read in spanish.
35 Idlehands (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 01:14 pm Report abuse
You should also take note that the author was a marxist and suspected soviet agent:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Gott
36 GALlamosa (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
#31

I guess you must be very young. Up until the '70's the Falklands had no contact with Argentina by sea or by air. We survived quite well. Since '82 there has been substantial additional economic activity to boost our ability to survive perfectly happily without you.

Isolation is a policy tried elsewhere that has never worked. Dream on sonny.
37 M_of_FI (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
@Malen (29)

The resources within the Falklands EEZ belong to the Falkland Islands Government and its people. As the recognised administrating power and elected democracy by the people of the Falkland Islands, FIG is entitled to do what it wants with the resources. We do not need to consult anyone and FIG are more than able to make responsible decisions on its own, despite the best efforts and irresponsibility of Argentina.

This is quite basic stuff Malen. But if you are incapable of comprehending this very basic concept, which every country in the world works to, including your beloved Argentina, then you are a lost cause. And you are wasting your own time, as well as others, by posting factually incorrect statements and trying to pass it off as the truth.
38 David Cameron (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
31 pgerman----- just two words for PISS OF
39 JohnN (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
Great that our FM Baird appeared to have ignored Barrick Gold and has taken a principled, pro Falklands stand at the OAS Summit in Cartagena and at the OAS General Assembly in Cochabamba.

However, important to see the Falkland Islands self-determination through the lens of Canada, and the issue of a community's self-determination is a hot-button in Canada, especially because of the ongoing push for sovereignty by the séparatiste movement in Québec.

At this time, it looks like the Parti Quebecois may form the next government of that province and will seek to move Quebec into yet another sovereignty referendum.

Therefore, Canada has to be seen as respectful of the principle of self-determination in order not to herd the swing-vote on the referendum toward an angry denial of remaining in the Canadian confederation.

This is not to say that Canada supports Falkland Islanders' self-determination based on Canada's strategic interests, but it does make it imperative for Canada at this time to confront companies like Barrick when such companies could be putting Canadian political interests into a bad spot.

By the way, Barrick has been denounced as a bad actor in Chile and Perú, as well as in Oceania and Africa: www.miningwatch.ca/home/company/barrick-gold
40 pgerman (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
Dear GALlamosa.
People from the islands were forgotten by the British governments after the war and they (people there had) to be helped by the continent with supplies, and assitance, sent by Argentine Governments. Gas, fuel, medical assistance and even college scholarships in Argentine schools were among the benefits granted by the Argentine people to the islands for large years. Just in April of 1982 the UK remembered that islands did exist.

To David Cameron. Anything can be said with respect instead of spoiling the language and communication. Insulting is disrespectful to all who read the comments and speaks very poorly of the person who wrote the insult.
41 LEPRecon (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
@31 - pgerman

Actually the Canadians know the Falklands history quite well, it's people like you that try to perpetuate the lies of successive Argentine governments.

Lie 1. Argentina 'inherited' the Falklands from Spain in 1816. Er no. Spain did not drop its Soveignty claim to the Falklands until the 1840's, and they didn't recognise Argentina as an independent country until the 1860's. So how did Spain leave Argentina something they had already relinquished?
Lie 2. Britain evicted the colony set up by Vernet (who was on the islands with Britains permission). Er no. The colonists were not evicted, just a bunch of UP soldiers who had mutinied, murdered their own commanding officer and raped his wife. In fact, the descendents of Vernet's colony still live on the Falklands today.
Lie 3. The Falklands are part of Argentina's territorial integrity. Er no. In 1833 when Britain kicked off those illegal military squatters the United Provinces of the River Plate (later Argentina) were more than 1000 miles away.
Lie 4. Since the Falklands are closer to Argentina then they should belong to them. Er no. That's not how international law works.
Lie 5. Britain is holding the Falkland Islanders hostage. Er no. They are a free democratic community with their own government and they are financially independent from the UK.
Lie 6. Britain is militarising the South Atlantic. Er no. In fact the British military presence is at its lowest level since before the Argentine invasion in 1982.
Lie 7. Argentina has never stopped protesting their sovereignty claims. Yup, that's true, except for the 91 YEARS that they NEVER mentioned the Falklands at all!

Oh yes pgerman. The Canadians understand the real Falklands history very well. They have no time for Argentine fairy tales.
42 Islas Malvinas (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
@40 Agree
43 GFace (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
In defense of Barrick (not that I really want to, re John @ 39), if they did not put even a limp wristed request, there is the sword of “nationalization” and expropriation that may loom. So yes, Barrick, make the totally unrealistic request at the the best of your totally unrealistic hosts, come back with a “they said no” and hope that some elements of the host government will recognize your effort and not make a grab for your investment. Otherwise one can hope that Barrick will leave their mines “as they found them” so Argentina can let new investors start from scratch. Or as John alludes @39, leave their arsenic pools as they found them (they DO make pretty colors).
44 Doveoverdover (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
@32 For an example of the beneficial, non-racist, aspects of the British Empire's afterlife, take a look at Sierra Leone. 10 years ago they had cause to thank the British and other, now largely reconciled, former colonies such as Nigeria, Pakistan, Canada, Ghana and Kenya, for their robust intervention and for putting some intellectual rigour and steel into the fight against the RUF. They still do.
45 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
@31 pgerman

“Very few know that the islands were once a dependency of the Province of Buenos Aires. None of them knows that Lexington, Clio or Sarandi have ever existed. Nobody knows who Luis Vernet was so they are more than surprised when I tell them another version of this history.”

A Dependency of Buenos Aires?
Please explain that.
When was that?
And... none of those ships existed??

I am sure that many on here would like to hear your version of Falklands history.

You seem to be educating your Canadian co-workers. I live in Vancouver, too.
46 malicious bloke (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
On a mostly irrelevant note, in my most recent game on Hearts of Iron, Argentina joined the Allies in the war against the Axis in 1942. In return Britain gave them the Falklands, the blueprints for some up-to-date aircraft carriers and a metric shitton of resources.

Maybe if argtards had joined the right side from the start in real life (instead of palling round with Hitler and Mussolini until all looked lost in 1945...real classy move there lol) then we wouldn't have had 70 years of RGs being all whiny, emo and lame :)
47 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
@32 @31

And all these places were peaceful, pastoral idylls until the British showed up?

While all these galleons full of gold were gifts from the grateful natives to your Spanish forebears.

British imperialist wickedness is of course a nice, simple explanation for everything that's wrong in the world, but most reputable authorities take into account contextual aspects such as economic drivers, rivalry with the other colonial powers, local political conditions, and what not, and all the other things that are typically called “history”.

Interesting to hear of a class basis to Argentine anglophobia though.
48 Islas Malvinas (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
@47 www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWedTbuAtR4

♪♫ British things, british things ♪♫

Funny how the Queen dances, ugh?
49 Raven (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
@48 Islas

If that is the only argument you can put forth, then it is no wonder you and your country cannot come up with a proper argument about the Falklands.

Meanwhile, in the real world, well done Canada for showing that self determination is what should be allowed to happen, not Argentina's ''we want what we never had'' argument.
50 Islas Malvinas (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
Wonder if Canada supports self-determination of Chagossians, right that (along with other human rights) the UK has been systematicaly violating. with the same strengh.

@49 Follow your self-determination support love and sign the petition that calls on the British government to work with the US to allow the banished Chagossian people to return home immediately. Their continued eviction violates several articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights every day that it goes on. The indigenous Chagossian people have suffered for over 45 years. They must be allowed to return to their homeland, the Chagos Islands, without further delay!

www.chagossupport.org.uk/sign-the-petition-to-let-the-chagossians-return-2172
51 cLOHO (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
51... Sorry the Americans have a base there at moment. so do you support their right to self determination?
52 EnginnerAbroad (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
“In that case I am going to Liverpool, and put some defense in an appartment, nobody enters nobody goes, and its all argie, habitants are argies, I expell the british and you should give me self determination.”

Go ahead you would only be entiled to claim self dtermination of the area you own (in the case of a flat this would be difficult as your foundations would be on british soil) even in the context of a house theorticaly you could do this but you would not be entiled to use any public services (health care, police, fire, rubbish collection etc etc and would be in breach of any visa you held as soon as you step off your property for not enetering via officla channels.

And second boycott of english products???

Seen as Argentina has a trade surplus with the UK this would hurt Argentine economics far more than UK economics.

re?? banning of shipping??

you already have.

The Faflklnads flag is not allowed, use the other, and stealing fish and oil is not allowed to introduce unilateral decissions in a territory in dispute, come on, things must be done obeiding rules.

They are abiding by international law. its called the UN charter and the issue of self determination was settled in october 2008 when the UN generla council afifrmed it holds prescdence.

As usual you react in line with nationalsm withoiut actualy think throught any of your ideas.

@pgerman

Seen as you like your history I will direct you to a accademic paper (which includes accademic sources and reserch which outlines the British positiona nd refutes the commona gruments presented by the Argentine govenment). Enjoy.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland/gettingitright.pdf

In addition what happend up to 1982 when the population was largerly independent (which supports their case) is no one sbuisness but there own. The UN states that self dtermination includes the population deciding to continue with administraion by the colonial power.
53 Tobers (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
@47

good post
54 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
@50
I already signed that myself, ages ago (although it is not nearly such a black and white question as you would have us believe)

But I presume your argument is that we should let you do the islanders, what you claim the Brits did to the Chagossians.

And that would make you what, exactly?
55 ChrisR (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
After 16 months reading MercoPress it still amazes me that many Argies still think that Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II (that's the second or 2nd for the dumb-ass Malvanista Argies) is the chief executive of the UK.

This is despite many, many lucid explanations by the Brits. If anybody in the rest of the world wants to see the definition of stupidity squared they only need to read Islas Malvinas (there are STILL no Malvinas).

Slag Cameron, whatever. But choose the correct target you stupid, stupid people.

Even Pepe got it wrong! What is it with the LatAms?

Peace
56 cLOHO (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
50... No indigenous population in the islands, Un-populated until late 18th century, so the chagossians are an implanted population.? Difficult isn't it
57 JUBA (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
# all kelpers.....amazement !!!!! EUNA, Australia, Canada and british ever stand together !!!!! ahahahahah...time, time...remember....good bye
58 cLOHO (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
Yes just like in WW2 , what side was Argentina on????
59 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
@57

Poor juba hasn't caught on yet that time is the enemy of the Argentine case.
60 cLOHO (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:02 pm Report abuse
59... Or history and facts
61 Room101 (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
Thanks, Canada.
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62 cLOHO (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
They are good people and don't mind joining in a fight, they helped the UK and the rest of the allies rid the world of the Nazi evil that threatened to engulf the world. where as Argenweena did diddly squat, apart from offer safe haven to Nazis.
63 Conqueror (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
@16 You should replace “profit” with “self-interest”. Doesn't that make more sense?
@29 Do you have to practice to sound like a prick or is it just natural talent? Please go to Liverpool and try your approach. I think we can confidently expect a couple of scousers to get together, rip your arms and legs off and beat you to death with them. Be sure to ask them not to rip your head off as it would make the whole process too quick. We would want you to “enjoy” it!
@30 We don't have to ask, do we? You're a prick!
@31 Aaah. Spreading argie lies in Canada, are you? Do be sure to explain how a territory over which Britain had established sovereignty in 1765 became “a dependency of the Province of Buenos Aires.” without British agreement. Don't bother with “inheriting” a Spanish claim or right. Such a concept isn'r legal even in the 19th century. Please don't think that we want to be negative. If you want to isolate argieland, you are quite welcome. Should I reiterate here the connection between “pee” and “german”? Or should I describe the connection between “deutscher”, “german”, “kraut”, “murdering sh*te” and “cesspit”?
@32 Proud of your invention of concentration camps, are you? Check out the Spanish Empire's negro slaves in Cuba. How about your crucifixion, burning, garroting of natives? And torture? And genocide? The problem is that we British don't believe a word you scumbags say. Too many provable lies. Let me make a quick count. I can identify at least a dozen argie lies relating to the first half of the 19th century. Got any answers, slobkins?
@40 Then f*ck off.
@42 Sh*ite in a basket case!
@48 But, according to BK, you have a queer.....sorry, queen. I keep being forced to look at its picture. Looks like a cross between a slug and a toad to me. A dead one! Trust me on this. She will be soon. Dead, that is. You may then learn your proper place in the world. If you have ambition, and humility, you may be able to reach up to the gutter!
64 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
Yup, those Quebequois and Inuit are surely enjoying the self-determination of that beacon of freedom that is Canada.
65 cLOHO (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
64... As are the indiginous population that was murdered by the Argtards and still celebrated proudly on the worthless peso note.
66 pgerman (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
It really amuses me (but with a big disappointment as I mentioned some weeks ago).

Just write a couple of comments and most of the participants will begin to insult each other and try to prove that his country, either Argentina or the UK, has the 100% of the correct arguments and the other country is the Evil Empire dreammed by Ronald Reagan (yes, Margaret's friend).

A very few of you would ever think about seying if some reasonableness in different opinion can be found. A very few would think seeking and perhaps finding some point of understanding

Everything is black or white, good or bad....

What do you expect from the future? Aditional decades of nationalist discourses? More mutual threats? More isolation of the Islands and the Mainland?

Some comments written by guys even seem boring and annoying having fun, anonymous, insulting.
67 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
@65

Changing the topic is a major fail. You are dumb, sorry, and I shut the entire argument here with one little post.

When Canada grants independence to the Inuit, then may they speak of self-determination with an ounce of self-dignity.

As for WWII, you are all a bunch of cowards. I have said it a million times, why should Argentina have joined the war on either side, or on “your” side. You were not fighting for freedom, that is revisionist crap. You were fighting to save your own arses, and secondarily to keep your Empire (same with the French, Americans, etc).

Argentina, correctly and smartly, stayed out of such a sordid war.
68 cLOHO (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
66... But it is black or white as you say...Falkland Islanders have the right to self determination and Argentina wish to colonise the islands. these are facts, lofty statements about people arguing wont change that. Argentina promotes lies and invents history indoctrinating its children with false history, these are all facts. this site is full of paid Rg trolls which is also a fact, Le Campora pay Internet trolls to post lies and propagate arguement.
69 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
@67

Perhaps you could start the ball rolling by telling us what you think the possible points of agreement might be. Are there any weaknesses to mention in the Argentine position?
70 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
@68

It is also black and white that the UK did not colonize Australia, New Zealand, or Canada, as Alexei spuriously proposed, but subjugated and stole their lands (and by the way he seems to believe the ORIGINAL peoples in those countries don't qualify as human beings, since to him their history only begins with the UK invasion).

Sorry.

And no, the fact that you laid some railroad track in such places is not even remotely undo or lenify that fact.
71 cLOHO (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
67... How is talking about indiginous people's in america post 65 changing the subject, I assume your rant is because your embarrassed by Argentinas shocking history of ethnic cleansing and cowardice during the second world war. A coward doesnt fight and sacrifice millions of its citizens, a coward sits back waiting for the winner to emerge...And that is what Argentina did. then offered safe haven to nazi,s that murdered millions of jews, a true act of bravery on argentinas part. Maybe your ancestors are part of this influx of nazis which would explain your irrational incorrect posts.
72 agent999 (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:59 pm Report abuse
@70 TTT
“I shut the entire argument here with one little post.”

You have now become a sanctimonious bore, fortunately most of us do not believe your highness's drivel.
73 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
Yes, yes, yes. And after your empty vacuous gasconade you still didn't answer one of my questions. Why should Argentina have helped the UK in WWII... Do you divinely deserve someone's help?lol Is it because you have a queen? lol

You got no answer to that one, and no Brit here ever has had one. WWII was your war, not ours. Sucks for you.

The issue here is not Argentina's history, it is Canada and whether they can LECTURE us.

The answer is univocally, no. And you can't accept that because it hurst your “anglo-solidarity” pride.

When Canada gives the northern half of the country back to the rightful owners, then you and them can talk about our atrocious record till your spleens ventilate.
74 agent999 (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
No one asked for Argentina's help in WWII.
75 cLOHO (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
70... Yes and we colonised US as well , what's ya point !. News just in Spain and Portugal colonised south america as well !!!!

And guess what the battle of hasting happened in 1066
76 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
@73

Don't you think Nazism was something to be fought?

And when are you intending giving Argentina back to the original inhabitants?
77 cLOHO (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
75.. Didn't USA ask for them to declare war after pearl harbour and they refused, US put a trade embargo in place. Still how much help they would of been!!!!
78 malicious bloke (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
“Argentina, correctly and smartly, stayed out of such a sordid war.”

Except you did no such thing. A great many countries chose to stay neutral because “it wasn't their war”. Argentina lent verbal and material support to two of the most murderous regimes of the 20th century, only just stopping short of a formal declaration of war...then only once it became painfully obvious that Peron's fascist buddies in europe were going to fail the RGs have a mysterious “change of heart” and cynically change sides.

Maintaining neutrality in a global war is tough and ultimately laudable but you can't claim that you even tried to remain neutral when all your political moves from 1939-45 involved pathetic sucking up to the prevailing powers of the time.
79 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
@74

Thank you. Now tell that to your moron compatriots bringing WWII to this topic, which of course is utterly irrelevant.

@75

And that is the height of Hubris, that the USA DEMANDED we declare war because THEY were attacked. hahahahha, we hurt their little egoes by being the only country to refuse to do so. Who the fuck did they think they were? lol

@78

Verbal support? Does that hurt your little egoes again? That we chose not to side with you? WE DONT LIKE YOU!

And now we don't like the Germans or Italians either... what part of that don't you guys get? You are not likeable societies, you are not good societies.

Material support is relative. We lent material support to both sides, we sold stuff to both sides. We made money out of your stupidity, can't blame us for that. We did end up with massive gold reserves by all the money we got from the Italians, Germans, French and Brits from purchasing our foodstuffs.
80 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
@64 TTT

The Inuit have treaty rights, fishing rights, land-use rights, tax eemptions, self determination, and financial support from the Federal and Provincial governments.

The Québécois are politically represented by the Parti Québécois, and have already held a referendum recently, where they voted to stay within Canada. Additionally, the Federal government bends over backwards to appease them, granting them industry contracts and financial support disproportionately higher by population, than other provinces.
They have a “Distinct Society” clause in the Constituiton and their language has equal or greater status than English, the other Official Language, spoken by 80% of Canadians.

What has Argentina done, but promote ethnic cleansing and the genocide of its indigenous peoples?

Your arguement has no merit and has nothing to do with the Falklands, a COUNTRY, that was I inhabited and had no indigenous population when Britain claimed it first.

Find something else to bleat about. This is a non-starter.

pgerman (pro-German, Peronist-German, propagandist-German)
- you have abused the hospitality of your Canadian hosts.
81 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
@79

we'd kind of noticed that you have a National Asshole Policy, but thanks for putting it so plainly anyway. The thing is, as a strategy it only works in the short term, and it's the kind of approach that has kept you from realizing your potential for the last 200 years.

Xenophobia is a pretty poor approach in a global economy as well, by the way.
82 malicious bloke (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
“And that is the height of Hubris, that the USA DEMANDED we declare war because THEY were attacked. hahahahha, we hurt their little egoes by being the only country to refuse to do so. Who the fuck did they think they were?”

And yet, when march 27th 1945 rolls round the RGs realise that, for all their pathetic nationalist chestbeating, they don't amount to shit in the grand scheme of things and they'd better cosy up to the victorious powers before it's too late.

“Verbal support? Does that hurt your little egoes again? That we chose not to side with you? WE DONT LIKE YOU!”

And we give a damn what you think about us...srsly. You were the one who claimed that Argentina *smartly* stayed out of WW2, I was merely pointing out your horseshit is actually horseshit.

“We did end up with massive gold reserves”

Funny where that ended up, innit. Fastforward 70 years and your gleeful perfidy has turned into a sovereign bankruptcy and another one looming large :)
83 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
@80

There is no-one or no province in Argentina that has asked for special status.

You people are quite lacking in intelligence, what part of that can't you all get? Argentine provinces want to stay fully part of Argentina. There are no Quebecs, Scotlands, Maoris, or Texas' in Argentina. So why do we need to do anything when everyone is satisfied wit the current arrangement?
84 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
@83 TIT

this thread is about Canada's support for Falklands Self-Determination.

You are off-topic.

The Falkland Islands are their own society, culture, political entity, seperate from Argentina. They always have been and clearly, will stay that way.

The only group I can think of that may have wanted to seperate themselves from Argentina were the Amerindians who originally lived there. You solved that problem by removing them permanently.
85 LEPRecon (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
@83 - Tobias

With each post you seem to get more desperate. What's wrong? Haven't La Campora been delivering your food parcels lately?
86 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
@84

Yes, and why does Canada not give self-determination to the Inuit? No, not fake self-determination, real self-determination as in relinquishing sovevereign control. If they already have, according to you, virtual self-destiny, what's the difference between that and full independence? Or maybe they DONT have real self-determination.

I'm a completely on topic by calling out Canada for their typial Anglo-saxon supreme hypocrisy and lack of self-introspection and fault admission.

@81

Have you read all that is written here about Argentina? In this thread even? Our xenophobia is simply shunning such asshole societies and peoples, you are not good societies and you demonstrate it here with your words.

@82

We did stay smartly out of WWII. Then we smartly joined and you tossers accepted it, so we got to join the UN as founding member without doing squat in YOUR war. Who were the fools then? hahaha
87 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
@85

I'm also wondering what his beef with the Germans and Italians is recently. Maybe his Vespa broke down or something?
88 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
@87

Europeans. And Europeans hate Argentina.
89 Conor (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
@86
But what about self determination for the indigenous South Americans? Canada was created by British colonialism in the same way that Argentina was created by Spanish colonialism.
90 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
@88
I doubt if most Europeans have much of an opinion one way or another. Many of them were prepared to support you in the Falklands war. It's really only Brits who have a problem with you, and that's one of your own making. And even then it's (largely) directed at Malvinistas rather than Argentines.
91 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
@90

Don't worry, it's not something we care about, I was just explaining why we don't welcome you with open arms.
92 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
@91
And I presume you don't need my help to make the necessary connection, and grasp why you're not exactly welcomed with open arms either.
93 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
@92

Differences is you Europeans claim we are pitiful, and you are all mighty (lol), moral (rotfl), wealthy (otf), and powerful (L). So given that setup, if true, it is up to the one with more wisdom, power, and morals to show magnanimity.

Neither Europe nor North America, nor Japan, China, India, Brazil, Mexico, etc, can, because you are in no way morally better.
94 Steveu (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
Good on Canada, A pox on Barrick!
95 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
@93

Mostly, that's just a straw man you've set up for yourself. But it's probably understandable if you get your world view hanging around on message boards.
96 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
My world view is based on how your countries act, not based upon but they bay.

“Des paroles et des actes...”
97 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
More correctly, how they think they cat. You seem to believe that the way a country behaves is solely a function of the wickedness of its people.
98 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
Yes, that's the standard Argentina is held to, so it applies fully to you then.

“Wer im Glashaus sitzt, sollte nicht mit....”
99 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
@98

Und wer A sagt, muss auch B sagen

Maybe if you all throttled back a bit on the “pirate, usurper”, you wouldn't get so offended.
100 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
Yes, the initiator asking the instigated to refrain. That's a bit twisted no?

“Si no puedes aguantar el calor, entonces...”
101 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
@86 TIT

Canada is not perfect, but it does not shy away from its moral obligations. You deny them outright LOL
@91
We know that YOU hate us. You just seem to tell us over and over again . WE get it. It's just you that is trying to convince yourself why and justify it.

Whatever else is going on in the world, Argentina cannot legally or morally justify attacking a weak peaceful neighbour, and oppressing its ethnically-diverse, Multi-generational inhabitants, just because you covet what they have.

Again, you are trying to go off-topic.
The arguement is that the FREE residents of the Falklands on their own land are entitled to it, and to retaining their current self-determination.

Your temper-tantrums on the world stage don't give you any right to take that away.

Note to self: “God, I'm having to lecture a two-year-old!”

LOL
102 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
“It takes two to tango”

Anyway, you started it. You invaded the Falklands.
103 PirateLove (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
@29 Liverpool :) my neck of the woods, and you wouldnt last 2 minutes you nugget, with that attitude you would end up on fire in a wheelie bin on scotty road with your teeth pulled, thats a warm scouse welcome for ye.
104 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
@101

No one is being opressed in Argentina based on ethnicity. Sorry. Try again, I have time.

“Quanto mais depressa você, mais devagar...”
105 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
@104 La Campora

“No one is being opressed in Argentina based on ethnicity. Sorry. Try again, I have time. ”

I know you have time - you are getting paid for it.

Again, you are off-topic.

This is about the free people of The Falkland Islands.
You tried to subjugate them before, and you are trying to find justification for doing it again.

“Fail Troll ”
106 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
You are a blind canine with blindfolds on, barking to the wrong tree in the middle of the darkest mid-winter night. And the tree ain't there.
107 Conor (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
@106
You still haven't answered my question Mr TTT, read comment @89.
108 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
There is no self-indigenous South Americans. IN fact, there was no South or North America.

So if you want self-determination for South Americans indigenous people, you must want the same for North American indigenous people.
109 Conor (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
@108
No I never said that Mr TTT I support the existence of all colonially created countries on the grounds that the needs of the many out way the needs of the few. That said it is rather hypocritical for you as an implanted settler in South America to be calling for indigenous rights in North America but not latin America. Do you see the hypocrisy of your situation?
110 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
@108 T I T
“There were no self-indigenous South Americans”

So, you are saying that the ethnic people living on that land before Europeans (Latin peoples of Europe) arrived were non-humans???

FAIL !!!! Denial of existence or their humanity is a great way to avoid the moral justification for wiping out a race of people !

This begs the next question, ”Are the residents of the Falkland Islands ( and let's be clear, the current residents of what you call the Islas Malvinas) , are they non-humans, too??
111 Joe Bloggs (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
110

If you were to ask TTT one simple question: “do you believe the Falkland Islanders should be left alone?”, he would answer in the affirmative.
112 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
@109

Excuse you... Re-check the article. It does not say “Argentina demands Canada respect the self-determination of Quebecois”, it says “Canada demands Argentina respect self-determination of Falklanders”... I naturally and easily posed the question: who are they given their current situation to state that? I have no situation of hypocrisy. It is the Canadians that have this conundrum.

@110

There were no indigenous SOUTH Americans. There was no such concept of South America, or North America amongst the indigenous people. As a result, any “restoration” of the pre-1492 situation applies to all lands west of the Sargassos Sea, and not just some portion of it.

Everything else you wrote is your brutally innacurate extrapolations.
113 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
@112

You're letting your anglophobia get the better of you again. The Canadians are not pursuing a colonial claim on anybody else's territory.
114 Conor (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
@112
Again you seem to believe that you are exempt from the field of hypocrisy. South America has got plenty of issues with indigenous settlements, there is an issue going on right now in Brazil with the construction of a dam, the article is on this sight.

Oh and FYI there was no concept of North America or any 'restoration' of borders idea either. So the South/North issue is effectively the same. It makes no difference if the indigenous call for rights now or don't at all, the point is if colonialism didn't occur then the Northern, English speaking constitutional monarchy of Canada and the Southern Spanish speaking federal Republic of Argentina would not exist.
115 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
@113

They already are colonially imposing on the Inuit. And they are in fact jockeying with the Americans and Russians for control of the North Pole region, how hypocritical of them huh. I bet they state that Antarctica should remain “international” but there are the anglos nnd ruskies, claiming even the North Pole sea bed. Pathetically pitiful.
116 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
@113

Maybe, but only in the same way as you are imposing on the indigenous people of Argentina. What's left of them. How many of those are regarded as sovereign?

Nice attempt at diversion into the North Pole though. I am sure you are aware that Antarctica is international by international treaty, whereas the Arctic isn't. But you don't believe in respecting treaties, right?
117 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
@116

So what you are saying is that you are a bunch of hypocritical wankers. What's good for Antarctica should be good for the Arctic. So yes, Argentina should violate evey single solitary part of the Antarctic treaty and start drilling for oil there. Maybe set up a penguin-meat industry.
118 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
I see. It's hypocritical of Canada to want a piece of the Arctic, but it's ok for Argentina to fuck Antarctica over, despite the fact that you've signed a treaty not to.

It's just as well I've been hanging about here so long, or I wouldn't be able to follow this logic.
119 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
Yes it is absolutely. Furthermore it is ILLEGAL. You see, lets pretend all the Arctic ice melts, which is likely. What's left behind? AN OCEAN. There is no land “there”.

Thus, the 12km territorial limit should apply. The Russian planting of a flag at the North Pole sea bed, and subsequent spats between Canada and the USA are actually violations of SEVERAL treaties, how about that?

Here's some more logic, yum.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CharlesGreenwithPenguin.png
120 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
The Russian claim to the Arctic sea-bed is a piece of bullshit overshadowed only by the Argentine claim of a continental shelf extending all the way to the Antarctic, thanks to comical claims to the Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich islands.

Moreover, and by the same token, there is not just a 12 km limit, there is a 200km EEZ.

But I will defer to your expertise in penguin cookery.
121 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
How nice of you, so you are saying that the Russian Arctic- sea bed and Argentine shelf claims are BS, but the Canadians and Americans have the right to the same exact claims?

Then you say I'm anglophobe. I think you are non-anglophobe, the things you say are wrong for non-anglos to do, are right for anglos to do.

hhhaaa...
122 La Muerta Negra (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
From the Nation of common sense to the Nation of nonsense! Thank you, Canada.
123 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
@121
I am not aware of the Canadians and/or Americans claiming 2million km2 of the South Atlantic, or planting their flag on the Arctic sea bed. Although surely there is a scramble for the Arctic brewing among those countries that have a claim to make. I'm only surprised you haven't thought one up yet.
124 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
And what is the UK going to do when these countries begin claiming and taking actions on the sea bed of what is an ocean, which is a violation of several international treaties that clearly state the oceans or their seabed can't be claimed territorialy beyond 12km?
125 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
@112 TTT

“. Re-check the article. It does not say “Argentina demands Canada respect the self-determination of Quebecois”, it says “Canada demands Argentina respect self-determination of Falklanders”

That's right, TTT, you went off-topic first and brought up indigenous people,

@64 ” Yup, those Quebequois and Inuit are surely enjoying the self-determination of that beacon of freedom that is Canada.“

@112 ”There were no indigenous SOUTH Americans. There was no such concept of South America, or North America amongst the indigenous people..”

I don't suppose it really matters what concept they had of themselves, or called themselves, when the indigenous people of Patagonia(??) were exterminated by Europeans(?) ”New South Americans(?) TTT's ANCESTORS(?)

What do you call the Falkland (Malvina?) Islanders??
Will they be disregarded in a like manner?

Anyway, let's get back on-topic...

@111 Joe Bloggs
“If you were to ask TTT one simple question: “do you believe the Falkland Islanders should be left alone?”, he would answer in the affirmative”

Is that right TTT? Should the residents of the Falkland (Malvina?) Islands be left alone if they want???
126 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
You're not up to speed on the Law of the Sea. The UNCLOS allows for an Exclusive Economic Zone up to 200km, which can be further extended depending upon certain geographical considerations. Thus the Argentine claim to grab the whole of the S. Atlantic.

The situation in the Arctic is that most of the area is already in uncontested EEZs. The contested area is just the bit near the top. There is no breach of law or treaty since all claims are made in the framework of the UNCLOS.

Try again.
127 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
Hmm...

Crickets
128 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
@126

You seem a bit noetically discombobulated. If the “UNCLOS” allows for a 200km economic zone, then how is Argentina excercising that zone across the Argentine Sea (which is an officially recognized name btw), “grab”.

I think you are showing your double-standards effulgently.

And btw, the claims by Cananda and the USA are not economic, they are territorial, they claim the Arctic TERRITORIALY.

@125

Yes.
129 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
@128

It's an attempt to grab an extension to the EEZ, by invoking the continental shelf. In order for this claim to stand, it first requires that the Falklands, South Georgia, and the South Sandwich islands be grabbed. That's been tried before, I understand.

The name of the sea does not confer ownership. Ask the Irish or the Indians Aegeans or the Saragassons or anybody bordering the South China Sea apart from the Chinese.

And now you are contradicting yourself again, because your original claim was that the Arctic was all going to be sea anyway. So we're back to territory now, are we? Please confirm.
130 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
I'm not interested in South Georgia or South Sandwich (though wtf do the British have any business there, its 2013 for Allah's sake), I'm only talking about the 200 zone.

The Arctic is an ocean (not a sea). It is the Canadians and Americans who are claiming it is not, and making territorial claims. Sorry, it is you anglos who are wrong, and breaking the law. End of story.
131 Malvinero1 (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:04 pm Report abuse
Seen as you like your history I will direct you to a accademic paper (which includes accademic sources and reserch which outlines the British positiona nd refutes the commona gruments presented by the Argentine govenment
engineer: That is a joke.Salt &pepper are TWO clowns.Noooo BOdy in any reoputed academia,cites these 2 clowns....

It's an attempt to grab an extension to the EEZ, by invoking the continental shelf. In order for this claim to stand, it first requires that the Falklands, South Georgia, and the South Sandwich islands be grabbed. That's been tried before, I understand.

hans: Argentina will finally prevail.uk IS FINISHED!!
132 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
@130
When all else fails, sow confusion ....

Nobody's contesting Argentina's 200 km EEZ. On the other hand, Argentina's continental shelf claim is more ridiculous than any claim put forward by Canada, the US, Denmark, Norway, or Russia in the Arctic. I hope that's clear now.

Canada has, moreover, refrained from invading anybody in pursuit of its claim, whether territorial or maritime.

Otherwise, which law exactly has been broken by whom?
133 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:18 pm Report abuse
@132

“Canada has, moreover, refrained from invading anybody in pursuit of its claim, whether territorial or maritime.”

I guess the Canadians are far more honorable than the Brits will ever be then. Shameful history the UK has there.
134 Pirat-Hunter (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:32 pm Report abuse
I think Argentina should send barrick gold home packing, maybe Canada can give the native Canadians self determination and end the British occupation of north America, the Canadian government should lead by example rather then talking trash and britard BS.
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135 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:32 pm Report abuse
@133
Oh sure. But things have moved on a bit in the 300 or so years that have elapsed since we were doing that kind of thing. Except in certain quarters of Argentina, obviously.
136 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
@135

And in some Scandinavian quarters also, it would seem... To bad I haven't learned Swedish yet, just not enough time for now.

But what about your Danish first cousins? How about them showing leadership and letting the Inuit have a country (Greenland?)?
137 HansNiesund (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:50 pm Report abuse
@136

So you're a Scandinavianophobe as well, then? I'm not surprised to learn this, but I wonder if there's something specific they've done to you, or whether it's just a generic europhobe thing like Germany and Italy? Personally, I haven't forgiven them for Lindisfarne Abbey back in 875.

But AFAIK , Greenland is well on its way to independence, in about 10 years or so. In a progressive and democratic manner. Maybe Argentina could learn something there?
138 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 30th, 2012 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
I have a specific grievance with each individual nation of Europe, I don't just blindly dislike someone. I have very well founded and ratiotinated reasons.

I just find it interesting that no country has ever pro-actively handed self-determination, its always had to be through protest or sheer insistence by the population. Never has one seen, just to give an example, the UK just tell Scotland “look you are being granted independence even if you haven't asked, because it is the right thing to do”. No country has ever done that, so how can they pontificate to Argentina? If self-determination is SO inalienable, why is it made at best merely indefeasible?
139 Zhivago (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 12:11 am Report abuse
Luckily no nation in Europe gives a fuck about what anyone in Argentina thinks!
140 HansNiesund (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 12:12 am Report abuse
Goodness. I have to ask. What did Luxembourg do? Those b******!!! Switzerland? The Czech Republic? Ireland? I had no idea there was such injustice in the world towards you.

I also see that you're not au fait with the break-up of the Soviet Union, at least the Yeltsin rather than the Gorbachev vision of it, but maybe that's just because you don't like the russkies and their erstwhile soviet republics either?

But most of all I really fail to see how the fact that other countries choose to have referenda or elections or what not in response to pressure for self-determination, is some kind of justification for Argentina refusing it to a population that has never been Argentine. Even by your standards, that is one hell of a brain twister.

I will try sleeping on it.
141 Malvinero1 (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 12:21 am Report abuse
Luckily no nation in Europe gives a fuck about what anyone in Argentina thinks!
Really? DO you think the world gives a damn about uk????
Strange that many Europeans love Argentina.
BTWhans.uk STARTED all in 1833!Anyway Argentina is rigth about the EEZ, in MAlvinas,SG,SSmany countries do that...

But most of all I really fail to see how the fact that other countries choose to have referenda or elections or what not in response to pressure for self-determination, is some kind of justification for Argentina refusing it to a population that has never been Argentine
hans: YOU ARE ALIAR!! uk is FINISHED like you!
142 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 12:27 am Report abuse
@140

Argentina is not refusing the self-determination of the Falklanders, last I checked, they have the status they want.

Ireland: They are home to a human rights group supported by Bono which in fact butresses extreme leftist organizations within Argentina. The government has done nothing to satisfy the concern.
Luxembourg: They voted against a 2002 motion to declare Argentine bonds held by those under 55 individual pensioners open to be declared as total loss, they refused to acknowledge the emergency situation at the time.
Switzerland: hiding criminal activity of argentine politicians and private citizens thus harming the country (they are getting half the world pissed off on that account though, pun intended).
Czech Republic: Their former president Havel made insulting remarks about Argentina.

@139

One day they will, as will Canada and the rest of the Americas.
143 Zhivago (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 01:11 am Report abuse
142 Let us know when it happens, you'll understand if nobody holds their breath.
144 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 01:20 am Report abuse
And what you think we are holding our breath against your threats, be it Canada, UK, any other European country, etc?

You are all bark, and on top of it have no honor behind it.
145 dab14763 (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 01:24 am Report abuse
126 HansNiesund (#)

“You're not up to speed on the Law of the Sea. The UNCLOS allows for an Exclusive Economic Zone up to 200km, which can be further extended depending upon certain geographical considerations. Thus the Argentine claim to grab the whole of the S. Atlantic.”

Hans,

The extension to 350nmi applies to the continental shelf only, not the EEZ. The EEZ will remain at a maximum 200nmi. The waters above the 150nmi extra continental shelf will remain international waters

128 Truth_Telling_Troll (#)

“And btw, the claims by Cananda and the USA are not economic, they are territorial, they claim the Arctic TERRITORIALY.”

TTT,

The Arctic countries are Canada, Denmark (through Greenland), Norway, Russia, and the US (through Alaska). There is no surface land between these countries' EEZ limits and the North Pole, so the only thing they could claim are extended continental shelves.

Russia and Norway have presented extended CS claims to the CLCS; the other 3 countries have not yet done so.

www.un.org/Depts/los/clcs_new/commission_submissions.htm
146 Pirat-Hunter (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 02:18 am Report abuse
When is Canada giving the native Canadians self determination. Don't tell me that 3000 british people on the other side of the world have more pull then the owners of the land that feeds them, typical euro trash standards. What can anyone say that could change or erase their actions, history follows every country for eternity and every country men to their death. Let's keep this simple people there is nothing new under the sun.
147 ProRG_American (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 02:45 am Report abuse
# 146 You are right. Hypocrites’! Barrick Gold Corp is in unfortunate situation I must confess. They have done all the lobbying they can against those arrogant conservative Loyalists. Retribution against Barricks and other Canadian businesses that have met with their obligations to the country that gives them privileges can't really be too severe. If I were Crisitna, I would not take them over. Only reduce the percentage of their royalties, which is unjustly high (90%), where the province is getting 3%. Cut it down to 25%. They will be making a bundle even then. This will send a strong message to the fools in Ottawa.
148 Malvinero1 (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 02:46 am Report abuse
When is Canada giving the native Canadians self determination. Don't tell me that 3000 british people on the other side of the world have more pull then the owners of the land that feeds them Totally agree with you,pirate!
uk is a decadent,inmorall nation! They are FINISHED!Poor ex empire,even the prince is vulgar....The naked prince!!,we should make a movie about that...
149 DanyBerger (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:33 am Report abuse
Canada another puppet of UK Crown and both puppets of US master puppeteer.

Jump puppets.

How much high master puppeteer Uncle Sam?
150 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:35 am Report abuse
@146 - 147 - 148 La Campora Malvinistas

Bluster away all you like. nobody is listening to you. You are only trying to convince yourselves. :-D

You are the only hypocrits here, in the 21st century.
151 Boovis (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:46 am Report abuse
These Argies seem to forget that Canada is a bilingual country that has uniquely French speaking ares, the French have many reasons to hate the UK and us in return, but the French Canadians vote for the Canadian government the same as anyone else living in Canada, and therefore are represented by this statement. Yes: even the French, who hate us so much, stand by us on the islands. Suck on that.
152 HansNiesund (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:13 am Report abuse
@142

I do believe you know perfectly well your country's entire policy is to deny the islanders self-determination, and call it decolonization.

As for the European outrages against you :

How terrible that Ireland has not lifted a finger to push one of their citizens around for doing something Argentina doesn't like in the human rights area. And what's more, it's the annoying, sanctimonious Bono in the frame! No wonder you're upset. I bet they've gone and implanted some of their pubs on your territory as well, wicked cultural imperialists that they are.

And how does Luxembourg, a country of a mere 300,000, dare object to being ripped off by a country of 40 million, potentially one of the richest on the planet!

And Switzerland treats you like it treats any other country!

But perhaps worst of all, former president Havel of the Czech Republic made insulting remarks about Argentina. For what reason, I wonder? I can't imagine it would have been for no reason at all. There are so many.

And not least among them, this Cult of Immaculate Victimhood you are continually pushing around here. You should really try to join the rest of us in the rough and tumble of the real world sometime.
153 DanyBerger (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:26 am Report abuse
I don’t understand why boys with bad teeth are making a big noise about irrelevant statement from Canada.

Desperation knocking at their doors perhaps?
154 shb (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:45 am Report abuse
Canada is hardly a puppet of the USA.

They have several border disputes over maritime boundaries with the Yanks - but at least they deal with them quietly, diplomatically and firmly.

My country owes Canada huges debts of gratitude over the sacrifice of Canadian servicemen and the support of the Canadian people through times of war and peace. Links between our 2 countries are very strong. We likewise support Canada.

The Canadians have form to sticking up for themselves against the USA - they fought hard in the War of independence and in the war of 1812 to resist invasion. They fight equally hard in the diplomatic arena for their own interests today.
155 geoff (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 10:17 am Report abuse
Love the Canadians-hope the UK appreciates them and their support and reciprocates at every opportunity
156 Boovis (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:01 am Report abuse
@154: the world believes the US version of events where the US fights the imperialist evil ones and goes on to save the world, rather than the truth that a load of businessmen saw an opportunity, took it, and split the country in half by doing so, some disagreed and formed what is now Canada, the rest stayed and became the USA.
157 Pete Bog (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:05 am Report abuse
@149
The same as Argentina is a puppet of Venuezuela?
158 cLOHO (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:36 am Report abuse
155 - Like the people with bad debt (Argtards) are making a big noise about Chile giving them limited verbal support
159 Steveu (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
@159 Canada is also a great example as two French islands - St Pierre and Miquelon are very close to. Canada could have chosen to mount a sovereignty claim in the style of Argentina but it has chosen not to do so. The result is that these islands live in perfect harmony with the Canadians - it's a bit weird that they spend Euros not dollars but that's fine - and everyone is happy

As regards self determination by the Quebecois, I think that things have moved on - the tide was at its strongest in the '70's. Canada is now far more multicultural.
160 Simon68 (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
TTT's rants about the Inuit people of Canada really make me laugh, the Inuit Nation, which is the Inuit ruling body, has through, wait for it!!!!!...... SELF DETERMINATION decided that its peoples who live in the Northern Territories of Canada will be Canadians, and those that live in Greenland will eventually have independence from Denmark.

This is one of the great examples of democracy in action!!!!!
161 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
@159 , 160

Exactly right.

Please see my post @80

I don't know how many times we will have to repeat yet another inconvenient truth.

Of course, all of this is OFF-TOPIC and irrelevant.

Whatever happened 200 -300 years ago, thousands of miles away, by a very different and earlier European culture, does not make it morally correct for a 21st century “Democracy” to invade, subjugate, oppress, and dispossess the FREE self-governing, inhabitants of a sovereign state.
162 DanyBerger (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
@shb

Everyone in the world knows that Canada, Australia and UK govt are puppets of US.
163 Conor (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
@162
Prove it.
164 ChrisR (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
Well, we know at least ONE thing for certain: all the stupid, lying malvanistas plus Prat Junta who LIVES in Canada have go their knickers in a twist about this. I wonder why when all the world loves them? ha, ha, ha.

So: WELL DONE CANADA.
165 GS (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
@63 childish Conqueror:
Britain did not “establish souvereignity” in 1865. How did you get that?The islands were then spanish just because the french (first settlers) recognized spanish souvereignity and sold Port Louis.
Bristish established in the islands in 1865. Since they were squatters, Spain evicted this settlement in 1870 and finally british abandoned the islands in 1774. There were no british presence in the islands for about 60 years, when they came back to take them by force in 1833.

So, I know you are a UK fundamentalist, but do not learn biased history.
166 cLOHO (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
165... Another made up history , history and dates are quite easy to check, and yours are total lies
167 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
@163

Oh come on Conor, remember Tony's nickname “lap dog”?

I mean come on, he was on a plane crossing the Atlantic every weekend to see lover Bushie!! It was embarrassing for your country.
168 HansNiesund (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
@167
You're right about that. It's one of the reasons he isn't PM any more.
169 Conor (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
@167
Really? Do you know that for a fact or are you just presenting the common myth that the UK followed the US? Atlantic every other weekend? Really are sure? UK rules state that the PM cant leave the country for extended time periods and in the modern world, heck even in 2003 video conferencing was avaliable so please don't lecture me on something you know nothing about. It was Tony Blair who said that the west had a score to settle with Saddam and it was Blair who was the first to suggest an invasion to remove Saddam not Bush, it was blair who long spoke out against The regime as far back as the 90's while Bush was still learning how to read. I never supported the war and the vast bulk of the British people didn't either but that does not mean I wont correct you on your misinformed common belief. And despite all of Blairs work it was Bush who stole the spotlight and made it look as if it was a US originated operation. Which simply isn't true. Bush followed Blair but the public sees it in the opposite way.
170 Zhivago (#) Aug 31st, 2012 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
Argentines do not like their stupidity to be exposed!
171 Malvinero1 (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 01:00 am Report abuse
@159 Canada is also a great example as two French islands - St Pierre and Miquelon are very close to. Canada could have chosen to mount a sovereignty claim in the style of Argentina but it has chosen
steven: uk SIGNED a treaty with France,after they were defeated in a battle,the plains of Abraham.France will keep the 2 island,St Pierre and Michelon,the French language,the catholic religion,etc..A TREATY!
On the other hand,uk SIGNED the treaty of Commerce and frienship with Argentina in 1825,made NO CLAIM or Reservation on MAlvinas.Sudenly,beign at peace with Argentina,they decide dto illegally ocuppy MAlvinas,NO TREAT FOLLOWED.Argentina is NEVER,EVER Going to sign any treaty with the brits,scums and pirates.....over MALVINAS NEVER!!So go i peace to were uk belongs: The North Atlantic!beast!.
172 Zhivago (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 01:31 am Report abuse
Malvineros
No treaty is necessary, the Falklands are British.
173 Pete Bog (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 01:56 am Report abuse
@165
”?The islands were then spanish just because the french (first settlers) recognized spanish souvereignity and sold Port Louis.”
Yes, the French were in the Islands the year (on East Falkland)before the UK settled in West Falkland, but the Spanish arrived after the British.

So, British settlers were in the Islands before Spanish settlers.
So the British did not take over Spanish territory, indeed the French were not on West Falkland either.
France 1764 Britain 1765 Spain 1767.
Spain later cdropped its claim to the Islands but not until long after Argentine independence which means Spain did not hand over its claim to Argentina.
174 Troy Tempest (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 02:00 am Report abuse
@171 Malcontent

“uk SIGNED the treaty of Commerce and frienship with Argentina in 1825,made NO CLAIM or Reservation on MAlvinas”

That's because they signed a treaty with “ARGENTINA”, later.
The Falkland Islands were not a part of Argentina, they were already a British Territory, 400 miles away, seperate from “Argentina” and South America.

Therefore, the Falkland Islands would not be mentioned in any treaty between Britain and any government of Argentina.

Secondly, Argentina still belonged to Spain in 1825, therefore would be no issues of sovereignty included in such a treaty between Britain and Argentina.
175 Steveu (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
@171 Presumably the treaty that Argentina signed with Great Britain in 1850 counts for nothing then? At least it stopped the specious Arg sovereignty claims for around 90 years

In any case I was talking about modern day Canada - I'm sure they could drum up some spurious “continental shelf” argument but they choose not to.

Frankly, I couldn't give a toss about what happened nearly two hundred years ago (but don't take that as any sign that I think the arg claims have any merit) - we are where we are and the story of the Falklands are no different from any New World country. The borders of any country are forged in part by power and conquest. Get over it and move on.
176 Pirat-Hunter (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
#150 my original questions was ” When is Canada giving the native Canadians self determination. Don't tell me that 3000 british people on the other side of the world have more pull then the owners of the land that feeds them, typical euro trash standards. What can anyone say that could change or erase their actions, history follows every country for eternity and every country men to their death. Let's keep this simple people there is nothing new under the sun.
#151 so when will the French and English canadians from europe going to give native canadians their rights to self determination?? Europeans white people always pulls for their kind you can see it in the Libyan war where french, british, canadians and US arms do terrorists and killed Libyan nationals. And murder Gaddafi for the oil and now libya is a terrorist training camp. Where is UN?? Stupid is as stupid does.
#152 Argentina hasn't denied british citizens from self determination as a matter of facts they can determine themselves if they will go back to UK or stay in Malvinas Argentina there was never any negotiation on the island the fish or the oil. It is legal to execute pirates and it is legal to burn their equipment, the law of the sea are not like the law of the land, we should mine the whole of malvinas to keep pirates away.
#154 proves your ignorance when the queen come to Canada to collect royalties every year, and guess what people here don't even bother but yet complain if Argentina ask for a higher gold royalty or taxes. Barrick gold should be. Sent home packing.
#155 the white people will always support each other when they want to theft, murder or rapes Muslims and any other minority, read a little history why don't you truth is not something you should fear.
#156 it was all writen in history books but the english will never let the truth get in the way of a selfserving lie.
#157 more then just puppets allyes thanks to the good old english war mongering and ignorance.
#159 read #146.
177 reality check (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
Wow!!!!! Some issues there then!!!
178 Clyde15 (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
#176 -155
I assume that this also applies to the Argentinians of Italian, Spanish and German decent.
154
Collect royalties ? Please explain and give details of payments etc.
What colour are you ? red with brown stripes or polka dots that white is a colour (actually it is a lack of pigment) that gets you so aroused. Is it jealousy ?

You should get down on your knees and thank a liberal country like Canada for giving a home to piece of dross like you.
Go back to Argentina, join the “homo” army and “liberate” the islands from vile oppressors - oh, I'm sorry. that would take some guts - sadly lacking in your case.
179 Troy Tempest (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
@176 PH

“#155 the white people will always support each other when they want to theft, murder or rapes Muslims and any other minority, read a little history why don't you truth is not something you should fear.”

PH - you are a paranoid racist

#156 it was all writen in history books but the english will never let the truth get in the way of a selfserving lie.”

156 applies to you, too.
180 kelperabout (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
If it was not for falling of my chair I would laugh loudly. How weird it is to hear Argentines accusing Britain of colonization when one only has to ask them how on earth did they start their people. Not only did they colonize a chunk of South America they murdered the indigenous people in doing so.

Yet these facts are never brought up by Argentines complaining about our very existence on the Falkland islands. When are they ever going to accept that our forefathers were no more than adventurers who chose to settle on these islands and not all came from Britain but because Britain owned them they accepted British rule. Nothing more than that . They were never implanted here as like the Argentines did .
No matter how it is dressed up we are here to stay CFK so you had just as well get used to the idea.
181 Pirat-Hunter (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
#178 spanish italians and germans are not trying to break a part from Argentina for themselves, and if they where I am sure they will go back home deported or in a coffin. Mining rights and royalties is a commun legal practice I am sure black people and latinos can do the same or is the right only reserved for racist white trash??? I don't haven't thank anyone I am here because America is our land from north to south, it's just taking really long for ignorante to understand that the native americans are not a race of murderers but it seems like we will have to start at some point behaving like the Europeans and murder all the accupiers. Chew on that for a while mean time keep sucking balls in your imaginary homo army.
#179 denial is futile, I will not get down to your level and waste the opportunity to insult you, but rather use it to expose you, when will canada give native Americans self determination to thank them for allowing them refuge in Canada or are 3000 white trash illegal aliens in malvinas Argentina more important then the owners of the land that feeds them and given them refuge from prosecution by europe, see if you find even a hint of a lie in my comment, exposing murderers and cowards and liers is my life long reason for existence and support for their execution is my goal in life, pick a number and wait your turn.
182 reality check (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
Canadians, got to love them man! no one else in the world like them!
183 Clyde15 (#) Sep 01st, 2012 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
#181
Your “answer” to my query is incomprehensible.
Who said the native Americans are a race of murderers - not me or anyone else who has posted here. In their history, they fought and killed each other for land as did Europeans, Africans, Asians, Melanesians and Polynesians.
“America is our land from north to south” In this context, who is us ?
Is it Argentinians - of all colours ? SO, by your reasoning, all the Inuits, Crees, Chipywayens, Lakotas and numerous sub-sects of the First Nation in Canada have the right to settle anywhere in the two Continents of America.
I am sure the Argentinian government would welcome them with open arms.
I asked what royalties the Queen collects on her visit to Canada - you still have not replied. She does not go to Canada every year - a fact that is easy to establish if you took the time to check. In fact she has visited 22 times in 60 years. Having trouble with arithmetic ?

The homo army came from you. You said that anyone who fought in a group - such as an Army - was a coward and a homo. “Ipso facto” the Argentinian army must be composed of homos. Your thoughts, not mine. By the way, Alexander the Great was a homosexual and I would not like to have tangled with him.

If you want to be taken seriously, moderate your language and put your thoughts in a logical order so that people can understand what you wish to say. You come across as a disturbed individual whose contribution is full of wild statements and rants. You make accusations and when queried, you avoid a direct answer, go off at a tangent and then PIRAT TRASH, KILL , COWARDS etc fills the rest of the post. By which time most people ignore you or have a laugh. Then the replies come to bait you so you will start all over again.
Do you actually like anyone - even Bambi or Mickey Mouse ?
184 Troy Tempest (#) Sep 02nd, 2012 - 12:42 am Report abuse
@178 Clyde

Does PH actually live in Canada now?

I ask because his knowledge of Canadian taxation and import duties is ten years out of date and generally confused.

He may have lived here at one time, but every time he went out to buy a dildo, he would realise that the PST +GST, or HST “sales taxes” are NOT 14%, but somewhere ranging from 7-12% depending on which province he lives in.

“My family left Argentina...” sounds like he was a child when he left and may not know what it is like to live and work, under CFK.
He is likely totally ignorant of daily life there.

“I wish to return.” Sounds like he is still living elsewhere, but if he he lives in Canada, I wish he would get the hell out!!

Canada is very generous with immigration. If he was a child, he was educated here and likely benefitted from many social programs and opportunities.

Now, the bitter ungrateful, seditious, whiner is slagging us.

Yes, go back to Argentina, you unhappy twisted, feeble-brained, free-loader!!
185 toooldtodieyoung (#) Sep 02nd, 2012 - 05:02 pm Report abuse
181 Pirat-Hunter

As stand up routines go, that was not bad at all...............
186 Anbar (#) Sep 03rd, 2012 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
“”There is no-one or no province in Argentina that has asked for special status.“”“”

hohoho hahaha hehehehe

there aren't many left alive are there?

Weren't most were wiped out by Pirate Hunter's European white trash from whom Argentines are mostly descended?

Ironic to see an Argentine criticising Canada for being anti-self-determinism because they will not “free” the Inuit, whilst at the same time trying to colonise the Falklands from their land-base which is a colonised area where they wiped out most of the indigenous and provide their remnant descendants with almost no rights at all, or, in many cases, a status of “Non-existence”.

“Non-existence” should really be the national motto of Argentina because anything they do not like, do not want and will not hear gets dumped into this mystical pot pot “it never happened”

We never supported the Nazis
we didnt kill any indigenous South Americans
History starts after Vernet
We didnt invade in '82
We didnt celebrate in '82

etc etc etc

---------------

It is interesting to note, however, that when a country like canada does stand up for rights that Argentina CLAIMS to accept and support (you know.. those buddies of yours in the UN and their charter?) the response of the majority of Argentines on this forum is to attack, condem and belittle NOT just the statement, but the entire nation and everybody in it.

And the, amazingly, they wonder why they only ever get lip-service support from even their closest neighbours.

You reap what you sow.

Long live the Falklands Islands and her People.
187 Pete Bog (#) Sep 03rd, 2012 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
@176
,“ we should mine the whole of malvinas to keep pirates away”.
1/- No such thing as 'Bad Vines'=Falkland Islands
There is no Malvinas Islands Government on the Falkland Islands.
2/-We don't need mines to keep you pirates away, we have submarines.
188 Pirat-Hunter (#) Sep 03rd, 2012 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
#183 that's because no one has answered my query, when will English hypocrite Canadian give the native Canadians self determination or are the 3000 British white trash and illegal aliens more important then the owners of the land they leach from?
#184 I am 100% American with more rights to be here then any euro white trash murderous thieves, if you do not like America I invite you to go back to Europe and quit trying to divide our land or else be treated like the euro trash treated our ancestors. Pay back is a biotech. What was good enough for the land owners should be good enough for the occupiers.
#185 I know with all this British stand up comedians its hard to see who is serious and who is a joker. You got it wrong wrong this time but good try.
#186 a British colony like Canada can't demand anything from America unless they give self determination to the people of the land they illegally occupied, raped their children and kill their ansestors years ago, as Canadians did and still doing to natives. Hypocrite and euro trash have no say in America.
#187 coca cola is a better name then Falkland island holdings, who can can take a pirate company and its slaves seriously other then an English lemming???
189 Clyde15 (#) Sep 03rd, 2012 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
#188
How can “English hypocrite Canadians” give the native Canadians self determination ? Canada is a country made up of diverse ethnic origins.
The settlers of English origin have no more say than any other voter if this came up in the national parliament.
Would the native “Canadians” like every non-ethnic settler to leave and return to their ancestral home. Mixed race marriages - where do they go to ? Some of the countries from which settlers came from no longer exist.
So, if you could rid the land of white trash, I presume you would want them to get rid of every vestige of their existence by destroying all towns, cities, railways, hospitals and return the land to a point in time about the 14th century. This would be fun for those left. Have they backed your proposals ?
The ethnic origin of the native population of N.America is not cut and dried. Recent archaeological finds have produced evidence that stone age man arrived in N.America from Iberia about the time of the last ice-age.
The most probable route was skirting the edge of the ice shelves in skin covered craft, hunting seals and fishing until they reached land.
DNA corresponding to people from this area have been found in native tribes south of the Great Lakes. So, do they fit the bill of “white trash”
Being a fair minded person, you will have to apply these rules to all european settlers in S. America and their descendants. They will have to return to their land of ethnic origin. It's a bit more difficult for those of African origin as no one knows exactly where they would belong.
Strangely enough , the Falkland Islanders would be excluded from your ethnic cleansing, as the land they are on was never settled by indigenous Amerindians -likewise S.Georgia and the S.Sandwich Islands - and certainly not Antarctica.
Can we have a reasoned reply without invective
As to your ethnic origin - 100% American - from N. or S.
Are you of pure Amerindian bloodline or have YOU been tainted with Euro trash.?
190 Troy Tempest (#) Sep 03rd, 2012 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
@189 Clyde

Good answer, Clyde.

Calm, thorough, and impeccably well-reasoned.

However, PH is a child who obviously feels that he personally, has been disenfranchised. No other answer will satisfy his irrational ravings.

He is not a champion of the oppressed as he may believe he is.
His worst rants advocate nuking and murdering populations of people in their own homes in their own land.
The masses of Argentina, oppressed by the fascists, he dismisses as “lazy”, and they “deserve what they get”.
Your observation that the Falklands never had an indigenous population, is quite correct and renders all his key arguments and claims, void.
However, he will never accept that. He will find a way to argue, even if he has to lie, deny, or invent facts.
We have already seen him do that in his previous posts, trying to make a case for CFK's gov't monetary and taxation policies.

He doesn't recognise the contradiction and hypocrisy that is his personal life.

Frankly, you are wasting your time trying to reason with PH.
There is no point even listening to him.

I agree, he must be mentally ill.

Amusing to watch him rant and froth at the mouth when you poke him with a stick, though.
191 Pirat-Hunter (#) Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:37 am Report abuse
#188 you can give native Canadians self determination the same way you expect Argentina to break the integrity of their nation. Give the parts of Canada belonging to the first nations.
#190 maybe you can tell us when is Canada giving native Canadians self determination or at the very least their land back ???
192 Troy Tempest (#) Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:42 am Report abuse
@191 PH

Are you a Canadian citizen?

If you are - lobby your government.
193 Philippe (#) Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
Canada respects France's centuries old territorial sovereignty over Saint-Pierre & Miquelon, which almost touch Newfoundland. Canadians have never felt threatened by their friendly French neighbours.
Why is that half-illiterate hyphenated Argentineans persist in claiming territories, situated in the remote South Atlantic that never ever belonged to them?
The big difference is, of course, that Canada is a highly civilised country- and Argentina is not.

Philippe
194 Falkland Islands (#) Sep 04th, 2012 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
191 Pirat-Hunter (#) looks like the Canadians have that option, Argentina have a problem, they exterminated the indigenous populations where they took over, evil as arg are.
195 Zhivago (#) Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
Pirat
You got your casinos, firewater and fishing rights so get back in your tepee and shut the fuck up!
196 Troy Tempest (#) Sep 05th, 2012 - 12:13 am Report abuse
Zhivago,

He is NOT native, but he IS illegally in Canada
197 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Sep 05th, 2012 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
Why does Britain and the FI insist on claiming surreptitiously to rule over Argentine territories???

And btw...

www.ctvnews.ca/canada/quebec-shooting-suspect-heard-shouting-english-are-waking-up-1.943030

End of story. At the first hint that non-anglos in anglo countries want to engage in self-dtermination, the anglos deny it ruthlessly and with deadly violence (as always for the last 300 years).

The Anglos don't give a fuck about self-determination.
198 aussie sunshine (#) Sep 05th, 2012 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
Oh come on!! you don´t expect Canada to vote against their own cousins, do you?? especially when HM The Queen is the head of state.
199 Clyde15 (#) Sep 05th, 2012 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
#197 LIE_TELLING _TROLL
So we are an expert on Canada now are we ?
I presume that you did not bother to read the comments submitted by Canadians . But of course, that might contradict your version of events

Britain has no ARGENTINE territory. The Argentine want British and Falkland Islander's territory
The Argies don't give a ---- about self determination

To summarise all your postings.
ALL ARGENTINE WONDERFUL AND TRUTHFUL .
ALL BRITISH DESPICABLE AND LIARS.
Just post this when you wish to comment and save us the bother of reading your crap
200 aussie sunshine (#) Sep 05th, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
If Canada supports self determination for the Falkland islanders than it supports self determination for French Quebec.They want to break away from Anglo Canada.
201 Troy Tempest (#) Sep 05th, 2012 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
@200 ASS
Yes, moron.
They have the power to do that, of they wish.

The last time that the predominantly French-speaking Province of Quebec held that referendum, the people of Quebec freely voted to stay within Canada.

They now have a Distinct Society clause in the Canadian constitution to officially recognise their culture. Their language is one of two official languages of Canada. All Government business is conducted in both languages and all government services must be available in both French and English.

Additionally, Quebec enforces Language Bill 101 which requires businesses to display English less prominently than French signs, or not at all.

Furthermore, there are Federal and Provincial Arts grants and CRTC Radio and Television controls to preserve French-Canadian culture and content, in the Arts.

Quebec is free to vote themselves out of Confederation as soon as they have support of the majority of Quebec residents.

The newly elected government of Quebec is a “minority government”, meaning that they do NOT represent the majority of the Quebec population.

To conclude,
1) Quebec is NOT an oppressed, captive society, clamouring for freedom from the Anglos.
2) Their culture is funded and promoted by the rest of Canada
3) Quebec has Self -Determintion and Freedom of Speech

Try a different argument, we've heard the same ones over and over again, and each time, they are baseless.
202 Zhivago (#) Sep 05th, 2012 - 11:25 pm Report abuse
Quebec wants to separate from Canada, The Falklands don't want anything to do with Argentina and they want to remain a part of the Empire. Apples and Oranges!
203 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 12:32 am Report abuse
@199

Britain has no Argentine territory.

yet.

They want us to sign maritime treaties with the FI (enforced by the UK, not the FI), where any violation would breach the treaty and be the perfect excuse for the UK to annex maritime territory from Argentina.

That is why, in part, we withdrew from all cooperation with the FI.
204 Troy Tempest (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 03:13 am Report abuse
@203 TIT

You're out of your mind.

Like SussieUS and Alex Vargas (Pirat-punter) :-)
205 Truth_Telling_Troll (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 04:04 am Report abuse
But its the sad reality... Britain has territorial pretensions on Argentine maritime economic zones. Which is why they want to hamper our economic activity there by insisting we sign fishery and other treaties.
206 Troy Tempest (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:34 am Report abuse
@205

Ok, sure. If that's what want to believe...

Looney :-)
207 British_Kirchnerist (#) Sep 08th, 2012 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
Funny to see all the conservatives on here attacking a company for “putting profit before people”...
208 Troy Tempest (#) Sep 08th, 2012 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
@BK

???
Please explain why you say that.

Are you sure you are on the right thread? Very odd comment.
209 row82 (#) Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
Please support this page - Falkland Islands Desire The Right - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the lunacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and winding up their Internet trolls - www.facebook.com/Britain1592
210 lost1 (#) Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
Please support this page aimed at promoting Britain's Overseas Territories...

www.facebook.com/BOTUK1

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