Thursday, September 6th 2012 - 05:46 UTC

Despite Chavez denial, Yanomami indigenous tribe claim there was a massacre

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Wednesday became the latest senior official to insist there is no evidence of an alleged massacre of some 80 Yanomami indigenous people.

The Yanomami live deep in the Amazon jungle and are victims of violence by intruding miners

Venezuela has said it sent an investigative team Friday to the south of the country along the border with Brazil, where the killings are alleged to have been perpetrated back in July by Brazilians mining illegally for gold.

“Neither evidence nor accounts from the indigenous people themselves turned up anywhere,” Chavez told a news conference.

The massacre was reported by a Yanomami organization known as HOY.

Several ministers have insisted this week there was no evidence of any violence against Yanomami.

An association of indigenous peoples, COIAM, urged the government on Monday to keep investigating, arguing that the Yanomami jungle settlement in question is so remote that the government investigative team could not have reached it and reported back so quickly.

Gangs of illegal miners come to the remote corner of the Amazon jungle straddling Brazil and Venezuela in search of gold and diamonds.

In the past, the Yanomami have been victims of physical violence, threats and abductions at the hands of the miners, COIAM said last week.
 

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1 Idlehands (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 06:33 am Report abuse
This is an odd story. Disposing of 80 bodies without trace is very difficult - even in a jungle. I would assume those that live there would be able to provide some evidence.

I wouldn't trust Chavez but to openly deny the event would be brave if it were true. There's no way there won't be evidence if it did happen.
2 Santa Fe (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 06:57 am Report abuse
Chavez should have a word with Argentina they managed to dispose of 30,000 bodies.
Although the nuns from helicopter would of proved a bit tricky to cover up.
3 Idlehands (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 07:41 am Report abuse
I can't see they'd be able to do it without the collusion of the national government.

Are these tribes an inconvienience that Chavez would like to get rid of?
4 Yuleno (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 11:33 am Report abuse
Where is the country that supports 'tribes' and where are the Brasilian 'miners' being sheltered?
5 Conqueror (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
@3 Please don't be naive. The “Venezuelan government” sent an “investigative team”? Can you imagine a Venezuelan government investigative team finding anything Chavez didn't want them to find?
6 vestias (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
Eu também estou de acordo esta história é estranha o mundo deve saber a verdade deste massacre aos tripos de Indigena Yanomani na minha opinião o Brasil e a Venezuela devem investigar este crime
7 Captain Poppy (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
#6 I agree an outside source. OAS or the UN, south america loves the UN.
8 Condorito (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
@1
Disposing of 80 bodies in the jungle would be incredibly easy.
9 hammerhead993 (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
@8 That's 100% correct. Anybody who had spent any length of time in a jungle would know that you could dispose of 80 bodies with absolutely no problem at all. I'm not saying that this story is true as I wasn't there. But, yes it would be easy. The persecution of indigenous people is an ongoing thing in SA. Very sad.
10 Captain Poppy (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
You do not even need to know where.....the rate a body decays in the heat of a jungle is unbelievable.
11 Idlehands (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
There were allegedly survivors from the tribe so they would know the location of the event. To transport 80 bodies to a hiding place would involve huge manpower. ie witnesses. The tribespeople would know the area far better than any intruders. The death of 80 people would leave a mass of evidence. While flesh may decay quickly, bones and particularly teeth wouldn't. I don't believe a team of experienced investigators with intent and motive to find evidence would fail if the incident did actually occur. It's too large scale.

Yes you could look down from a plane onto a jungle that stretches as far as the eye can see in every direction and think “you'd never find anything in there” - but they have a starting point. The density of a jungle makes shipping the bodies as problematic for any killers as it does for any detectives. The jungle is neutral.
12 Condorito (#) Sep 06th, 2012 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
Idlehands,
The “intruders” are usually the same people as the tribes people only they have lived in the nearest back-water town for a generation or two. In remote Amazon towns the men often work as hunters or miners and they know the area as well as the tribes people. It would only take a dozen men a couple of hours to heave 80 bodies in to a river.

It is awe inspiring how insignificant, invisible and unwanted we are in the jungle.

If there was a massacre they could search for years and not find anything.
13 GeoffWard2 (#) Sep 07th, 2012 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
Well, at least we now know that they were - again - Brasilians mining illegally in Venezuela.

Whether they killed the locals seems open to question. If we are to take Chavez's investigation at it's face-value, these illegals did not kill the locals; they were just searching for and extracting gold and/or diamonds.

Previous similar situations would lead us to the belief that at least some locals have been killed - in this case probably by other 'locals', garimpeiros prospecting up-river or across the watershed.

To get some sort of perspective, view:
www1.american.edu/ted/ice/yanomami.htm
14 Conqueror (#) Sep 07th, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
@11 There are, reportedly, approximately 20,000 Yanomami. Would you like to start from there?
15 British_Kirchnerist (#) Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
This is certainly a weird story. What we know for certain is that Chavez is pro-indigenous rights, coming from indigenous stock himself, and the opposition are absurdly racist...
16 BLACK CAT (#) Sep 09th, 2012 - 05:19 am Report abuse
Another true local story - were the hell is guzz?

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