CFK to Harvard students: there is no ‘dollar clamp’; don’t repeat monochord questions
President Cristina Fernandez speaking at Harvard University denied there was a “dollar clamp”, chided some students for making the same “monochord questions” as the Argentine media, attacked the IMF and finally described a question on her wish for re-re-election as ‘abstract’ since it does not depend from her or a single party.
“There is no such thing as a dollar clamp in Argentina”, said strongly Cristina Fernandez on Thursday addressing students as the Kennedy School of Government forum.
“The dollar clamp is a ‘media made up phrase’; Argentina is the second country with dollars after the US, but we had a problem during the last election because of strong rumours that said we were planning to devalue. This led to the flight of four billion dollars in cash, stacked away, something which does not happen in Brazil, Chile or Colombia”, underlined CFK.
“There is great misunderstanding about the issue and much media muddling. I’m not blaming anybody; I also had a deposit in US dollars”.
However addressing the student who was Argentine the president asked him if it was a fair question to ask about the so-called dollar clamp.
“Do you have an idea of how many Argentines can’t even make it to the University of La Matanza (a poor neighbourhood of Buenos Aires and stronghold of the dominating Peronist movement)?
On re-re-election the president was evasive.
“It’s not whether I want it, but rather of what I can and should do. It is an abstract question because the Constitution does not allow a third mandate. At home we discuss many things, a constitutional reform does depend on me or an only political party”, said CFK.
Another student asked about her patrimony to which the president said she could give an account of each of her assets and added “my economic position is because I’ve worked all my life and because I have been a very successful solicitor”.
An Argentine student timidly said he felt one of the few privileged Argentines because he could ask the President and then brought up the issue of the government’s ‘self-criticism’.
“That short phrase you are using. Look, I’ve talked with millions of Argentines. It seems I was numb. You are intelligent kids you can’t go around repeating in monochord what two or three journalists have come up with”, said CFK increasingly annoyed by some of the questions.
As in previous speeches in the US and before answering questions CFK was particularly critical of multilateral organizations and at the same underlined the successful policies of her administration.
“We can’t say we are living in Disney World. Argentina is no paradise or Disney but we have improved our situation”, she said in reference to policies implemented in the country since 2003.
She then went after the IMF. “International multilateral bodies evidently are not working, and not recently, but from a long time back”.
On the current economic crisis that the developed countries are living in CFK affirmed that “the economic conflict has turned political,” and added that “as a president, I'm obliged to protect the Argentines' reserves”.
She added that “the core of the international crisis was that they went from a production economy to believe that money could reproduce by money itself.”
And regarding the 2008 financial crisis of the United States, the Argentine president reminded that “the investment banks had built a series of economic derivatives that led to the collapse of banking institutions”.
With a degree of irony CFK said that Argentine sovereign debt ballooned in the nineties with the one Peso-one dollar convertibility system implemented by then Finance minister Domingo Cavallo. “I believe that at some time he (Cavallo) taught here in Harvard, well what he did is Argentina was totally absurd”.
When asked about the controversy generated around the dubious rates and indexes release by the Indec stats agency such as the inflation rate, the President obligingly responded by asking what the US annual inflation rate was, to then unwittingly add: “but give me the official rate”.
Informed it was around 2% on annual average, CFK just said: “Oh, really? Come on! And you believe that? If Argentina's inflation rate was at 25% like some people say, the country will blow up in the air”.
CFK also had time for a quick reference to the bilateral conflict with the UK over the Falkland Islands and again attacked multilateral organizations.
“The UN Security Council has lost all functionality because we are in a new scenario, with problems totally different to those after World War II”.
According to the Buenos Aires media over 2.800 graduates and under graduates registered for the Argentine president conference. However since the capacity of the forum is 700 they had to draw lots for the seats.
Another group of an estimated fifty Argentine residents were also waiting anxious to meet President Cristina Fernandez when she walked into Harvard University, but as in Buenos Aires banging pots and pans and with signs complaining about “Korruption” lack of security, no re-re-election and more respect for the Argentine media.
Before flying to Boston for the conference at Harvard Cristina Fernandez received the president of the Exxon Mobile Corporation, Rex Tillerson.
The meeting took place at the Mandarin Oriental hotel in New York at 5:30 pm (local time). Also present in the meeting were Argentine ambassador to the US Jorge Argüello, Legal and Technical secretary Carlos Zannini and presidential spokesman Alfredo Scoccimarro.
On Thursday night, Fernández de Kirchner had confirmed that Tillerson had requested to meet with her during her stay in the US.
Following the Harvard appointment the Argentine president and her delegation were scheduled to leave from Boston arriving in Buenos Aires early Friday morning.
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Was trendy topic for hours in Argentina and worldwide too!
No mentioning on TV!
My god, embarrassing and a waste of time.
Only too good questions, one about the re-re election that of course she didn’t answer. She said it was not a matte of she wants or not! And another about the Corporation responsibilities at the G20 and she said that they didn’t spoke about that at the general meeting.
What a shame!
Perder el tiempo con chicanas entupidas.
#PreguntasDeHarvard
#Harvard
#HarvardKirchner
What do you say when she flatly denies something that is patently true?
www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatlife/9565126/Damming-dollar-flood-comes-at-a-huge-cost-to-Argentine-economy.html
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100182857/cristina-kirchner-continues-to-lie-about-the-falklands/
Do you speak Spanish Indlehands? The article here is edited, she didn´t dinied the Clamp she explaied teh situation.
Your English is better than you think, you not making that many mistakes, my compliments on your skills.
But the second one, where they want to go with such a lie and almost an insult???
For other hand, honestly one question. Why In British press there’s always news or articles about Argentina? We are not an important country or economic market to talk about!
Fernandez said the criticism that she doesn't speak to the press is unfounded.
”I don't know where this comes from that I don't talk, that I can't speak, that I'm mute,“ she said in Spanish which was translated into English.
One student, who is from Argentina, asked Fernandez about Argentines' limited access to foreign capital when they want to travel abroad and increased taxes on credit and debit card purchases made outside the country or online.
”You are here and you are Argentine, so obviously you don't have dollar problems,“ Fernandez told the student. ”You are lucky enough to study in Harvard. You think you can really talk about these currency problems?“
To another student, who asked if it was time for Fernandez to be more self-critical because of her country's escalating crime and what some say is its inflation problem, she said she expected different questions from her Ivy League audience.
Capital flight and wary investors have plagued Fernandez's second term, despite her attempts to use currency controls, taxes on the wealthy and programs for the poor to combat what some analysts have labeled the economy's impending downward economic spiral.”
Then she refuses to acknowledge the rising crime and inflation. Facts. And attack the questioner for asking a boring question (meaning, a question she does not want to answer).
Maybe she was hoping the students of Harvard would ask her where she bought her shoes or what colour hair dye she uses - questions she can actually answer. The woman is stupid, stupid, stupid. She is only President because her husband put her in power to perpetuate his rule, he must have known she is as thick as a brick shit-house. Sadly, when he died, the population fell for her widow-woman wringing of hands. Because, someone wearing black and sobbing on cue is, of course, all you need in a leader; in Argentina.
North Korea is a paradise which is why no North Korean wants to leave the land of Juche.
Hmmm. After years of struggle against dictatorship why are Argentines sleep walking into another one?
One a more lively note, Brazil lowered GDP estimates to 1.5% from 2.5% so I hope Arg doesn't think they''ll make up trade with exports of cars. December is going to be an interesting month.
Patacones or 10/1 Peso which will come first?
I watch some of her speech on youtube and the comments from Argentines is overwhelmingly negative towards her. They seem miffed that she trashed one of their universities (Ooops, she forgot that to criticise anything Argentine is to be a traitor) and generally they are acutely embarrassed by her. One commented that they had taught at Harvard for three years and had 'never seen a political leader so aggressively defensive'.
“I feel highly privileged to be one of the few Argentines who can actually ask you a question,” said another audience member, referring to the acrimonious relationship between Kirchner and the press. Many claimed that Kirchner has been very unresponsive to the media and that she neglects to respond to concerns from her constituents.
And she claims to have made her millions asa lawyer, but has been in politics how long? I wonder if she thinks she fooled anyone? She's happy to be home.
www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/9/28/argentina-president-politics-criticism/
There were protesters as well outside.
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iñ US reality ;
it is not cówardly run,but it is cówardly to run and leave someone béhind.
iñ US reality ;
when you are respoñsible for your families safety you can nót always just run away.If the people threatening you have coñtrol of your loved ones, you had better able to protéct them and not just run away.
iñ US reality;
even if you live in a nicé area,there are still occasions when you can be in danger.No place in safe from home criminals,criminals coming coming from outside your area or criminals you run intó whén you have to travel to locatioñs away from your home.
iñ US reality;
you can not spend your life running away ,and moving and moving and moving to somewhere else that might be safe .Sométimes you have to make a stañd.
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aré there any gùys want to speak at Harlem University ?
Shame he died.
Her gov't is doomed. Once the people start protesting in front of high ministers residences all is lost. It means the people are not afraid of retribution any longer and for Peronism or any Fascist regime the people have to have some fear to make it all work.
The British media, conservatives, socialists, liberals and general population don't care one way or the other about Argentina except for these 2 things:
1. You are trying to steal land that has never belonged to you - the Falklands - and dispossess the people who are direct descendents of the colony that the British 'supposedly' expelled in 1833.
2. You owe Britain, and the international community, a lot of money.
Now if you leave the Islanders alone and stop trying to colonise them, and payed off your debts, there never would be a bad word said about Argentina in UK papers.
I would also like to add that despite Argentina's belligerent attitude to the innocent people of the Falklands Islands and that you owe us money, Argentina is very rarely mentioned in the UK press.
Quite frankly you aren't that important to us.
”The president's (Nestor) support has dipped slightly in recent months, however, amid an energy crisis, double-digit inflation and a corruption scandal. Candidates allied with him suffered bruising defeats in June in the Buenos Aires mayoral election and the race for the governorship of Tierra del Fuego province.
It remains unclear why the president has chosen not to seek re-election. But with incumbents barred from seeking consecutive re-election more than once, if Ms Fernández de Kirchner were to win the presidency, there is a possibility the two could seek to alternate in power.”
So they say,..
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You only tend to appear in the press when your President (or other government representative) makes up history about the Falklands ISlands and demands we “Give them back”.
THis is news-worthy because a) we never gave them up, never “took them” and therefore cant “give them back” and 2) its completely untrue that Argentina, at any time in its hsitory, has ever had control of, or a legal occupation of, the Falkland Islands.
THus, when your President and government make these sort of farcical claims, it becomes news-worthy.
a) Because its an outright lie and
b) because we like to goggle at the, apparent, fact that Argentinians believe this make-believe version of history.
Actually there is also a c) because Argentinians seem to regard an illegal colony of soliders and criminals, there for a miserly period of time, that ended in piracy, murder and rape, as being something to be proud of...its...staggering. Not the least because once Law & Order was restored by ther sovereign nation (the UK) almost all the “argentinians” decided to stay in the Falklands under British rule and only about 3 or 4 went back to Argentina.
SO, its laughable when the President of a country runs out this garbage and expects people to beleive it/
When will Argentinians learn to do their own research, read international history and RECOGNISE that WHENEVER their goverment starts going on about the Falklands it is becuase THAT GOVERMENT is deep in the shit, has trashed the economy and is depserate to get attention away form their own fialings.
It has NOTHING to do with sovereignity whatsoever...
and you fall for it every time.
The constitution is clear, no third period, its the way it functions democracies, if not we have 12 years of demodictatorships. Do things like in Brasil, lula did, and put someone like Dilma, would be perfect, Dilma is better than Lula.
cepo al dolar exists and corruption about politians getting rich suspiciously in this gov more than I have seen in others. But what she would say there...
A few days ago she said that VeneCuba was the greatest democracy in South America...does that mean that Argentina falls behind VeneCuba? In spite of her continual rambling on about “democracy” in Argentina??
Anyway...she gives Lanata so much ammunition its almost laughable...almost.
As for answering questions it was about what we all expected.
What a missed opportunity by the students if you ask me.
I think he has single handedly developed a new strain of Fetishism, BKSM or BDBK, something along those lines. I can see Madams all over the world feverishly re equiping their establishments to cater for his kind of particular pecadillo.
Well maybe she means Argentina's just got a bit of catching up to do, especially in the economic sphere to become more socialist, but I like her even more for having said that =)
“Watching some of it last night without translation...”...
I watched ALL of it (from beginning to end), including ALL the questions that she had to answer (the ones she fetlt comfortably with she answered willingly and with sense of humour ; and the ones which made her uneasy she answered with awkwardness, inaccuracy and a degree of arrogance beyond belief).
I strongly recommend that you watch and listen to carefully all of the questions she was asked and answered, and humbly and honestly come back to us confirming whether you still feel the same way about her performace last night.
#31 I think asslips squats over BK......he really does have a fetish level attraction with asslips to a level of being an obsessive personality disorder.
Did you notice that when she speaks she is all over the road, with no focus? SHe is suppose to be a granad speaker and if you ask me (even if you don't) she is a mundane and less than ordinary speaker.
I see the contrary, you may want to check your facts again.
This conference was cringeworthy and her performance was lousy at its best.
It makes me feel ashamed to be argentine with a government like this.
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/112753/the-show-will-go-on
Thanks for your advice, I will certainly invest in some (not all) of these companies , as opposed to YPF, Aerolineas Argentinas, Aguas Argentinas and argentine government bonds (which, by the way, are performing brilliantly, aren't they? thanks to the KaKa business accumen and the trustworthy and reliable environment for investment created by the same Kaka govt.) Brilliant honest advice, heartfelt thanks!!!
That's not my advice, that was Moody's, S&P, and Fitch's advice circa 2007.
None of you are man enough to admit it, they lied to all of you.
Yes, had you invested in an argie bank in 2007, you would have done MUCH better than investing in a bank in the USA, Europe, or other places.
I know you won't believe me, but it is actually true.
AAA banking system? You lost 84% of value according to most banking stock index trackers. B3 banking system? You gained 7%.
“Yes, had you invested in an argie bank in 2007, you would have done MUCH better than investing in a bank in the USA, Europe, or other places.”
How is having the Argentine government stealing your money and giving you worthless bonds much better then investing in a bank anywhere else in the world?
“I know you won't believe me, but it is actually true.”
Being an academic (as you always say you are), you will know that saying things like 'but it is actually true' is meaningless unless you have EVIDENCE to back it up.
Yet the UK still has its AAA+ credit rating. Argentina's credit rating is in free fall.
But don't worry Tobias. You don't need the rest of the world do you? However the other 39,999,999 people in Argentina may not agree with you.
But can you comment on YOUR president blatantly lying in front of the whole world? No dollar clamp in Argentina, when all her recent policies have been about er...clamping the dollar, restricting who can buy it, how much they can buy, and whether they can leave the country with those dollars, or use their credit cards and paypal for international purchases.
If it looks like a dollar clamp, walks like a dollar clamp and smell like a dollar clamp, you can bet your bottom dollar that it is a dollar clamp!
Did you see what I did there? LOL
Between the astronomical inflation and the daily depreciating currency if you put money in a bank in Argentina you would be much worse off over the year!
Why do you think you have U$100 Million a DAY LEAVING THE BANKING SYSTEM?
Gosh you are stupid.
Where are your sources to back up what you say?
@44
Where are your sources to back up what you say?
@45
Where are your sources to back up what you say?
@46
Where are your sources to back up what you say?
@47
Where are your sources to back up what you say?
As usual, accusing me of not providing sources (like you need sources to understand the list of banks I listed DID FAIL, but keep your heads well buried, I believe you... there's never been any economic crisis in the USA or UK).
I believe you.
No really I do.
Yes... yes.
Ya.
I do.
For real, calm down.
Repeat it?
Yes, I believe you.
I do.
Honest.
Pinky swear.
In Spanish?
Te creo.
hahahahahahahaha.
with a very long pole and a yardstick. He's standing the pole on its
end and trying to reach the top of it with his yardstick.
Seeing the RG's ignorance, the American wrenches the pole
out of his hand, lays it on the sidewalk, measures it with the
yardstick, and says, “There! 10 feet long.”
The RG grabs the yardstick and shouts, “You idiot American!
I don't care how long it is! I want to know how high it is!”
Q. How do you sink a RG battleship?
A. Put it in water.
Q: What do you do if a RG throws a pin at you?
A: Run like hell - he's still got a hand-grenade between his teeth
Q: Why did the RG cross the road?
A: He couldn't get his dick out of the chicken.
Sorry, but polish jokes are never applied to argentines. Stick with your Suicide and Ego jokes.
CFK...your time is running out.....tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac !!!
CFK your time is running out
Q. How do you sink a Argentine battleship?
A. Put it in water
Q: Did you see the Argentine submarine with a screen door?
A: Dont laugh, it keeps the fish out.
Q: Did you know that Argentina just bought 10,000 Septic Tanks?
A: As soon as they learn how to drive 'em, they are going to invade
Chile
Have you seen the apologies all over facebook from Proud, Argentines about their idiotic president? I'm thinking argentine politicians, in Forest Gumps words, are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you will get. Asslips is really a waste of human flesh, someone more deserving can be getting those botox injections.
It's not the wish of this president, and it's not my competence.
I am sorprised that mercopress omitted when she said that it's not her wish to reform the constitution in order to be re- relected, anyway beyond this omission, i have always thought that mercopress is a very serious web site, because it neather distorts nor lies when it informs. If the most important newspapers that we have here (clarin and la nación) were as serious as mercoperss, we would have a very serious oponent press to c. f. k's gov., however they distort and lie almost all the time when they inform. Respecting the two coferences that she gave at the two universities, i must say that i was really sorprised for the law level of the arguments, and the mediocre questions that most students expressed before c. f. k. I think that if they study at such a prestigious university like harvard, it's because they have a high academic level, however their questions were based mostly on distortions and lies that were published by the most powerfull press which is against c. f. k's gov. If they knew that they were going to have the chance of asking a question to the president, they should have investigated much more about the situation of our country, especially they should know about the big push of power that the most powerfull mediatic corporation (clarin group) has with her gov. since she took office in 2007. Beside, just a few of them knew about the new broadcast law that was approved in 2009, which doesn't allow the oligopolic or monopolic concentration in the press, which increased much more the tension between c. f. k's gov. and the clarin group. Anyway, i must recognize also that a few questions were very interesting. Finally i hope that after this answer by cristina, many of you stop speculating about soposed future reform of our constitution, she was perfectly clear yesterday about it.
Well, maybe Roskilde Bank did default, but we still got our AAA+ ratings here in Denmark and has become a safe haven for foreign investors due to our economic policy...and we have a nice surplus on our trade balance.
The difference between Argentina and Denmark is that we can handle a crisis, which you can't, our politicians don't steal from us, nobody tells the medias what to write or not, nobody is paying for votes, anyone can get all the Dollars they want (but we don't want to because we don't need to), we have 100% transparency regarding all official documents, our Prime Minister is giving a weekly press conference (with Q's and A's), inflation is around 2% p/a (even on the unofficial food basket), we have no demonstrations because of low wages or a corrupt government, we have hardly any random murders, we can trust our police and don't have to tip them whenever they have provided their service, we care for the environment and my girlfriend (when she arrives here from Argentina in December) can walk the streets at night alone and safely.
Now TTT, as for Roskilde Bank...frankly we don't give a damn.
You really are going to make me believe you are a Dane? Just happening to come by not just this part of the internet, but this forum, and this article, to find a list and just happen to scroll and see a Danish bank.
Wink
I have lived in Argentina for a year, so I'm following the development down there closely.
Another unfortunate one to have lived here. Man this forum is filled with unlucky bastards, somehow sent to this hellhole. Your english is soo good...
@34 What a pointless request. BK doesn't think the sun shines out of CFK's arse, he thinks CFK's arse IS the sun. It's one reason his face is so brown!
@49 They were funny. But you got one wrong. The clue is that the proper answer is: Show it to a British submarine!
@51 No. No-one is prepared to waste the time. Just make up any old lies about how wonderful argieland is, and how wonderful she is, and how wonderful she is, and how wonderful she is, and you'll probably have it covered.
@54 Shut up, axle. (That IS a deliberate spelling) Everyone now knows that you don't have a brain. If you want to comment, go and do so on the (spanish) gibberish site. You don't have enough brain to debate with proper people.
You are 100% right but I would prefer to be president of Argentina instead of being from Denmark. CFK could make plenty of money being president, nobody will answer her about the origing of it and, on top of everything, she will enjoy a hugh retirement income as a former president.
The Denmark Prime Minister will be an average citizen with no privileges after her/his retirement while CFK will be resting in her farm in the Patagonia !!!!
In Denmark you can get dolars, with no inflation, no crime, no corruption and safe...it's aboring country !!!!!
How original, for an internet forum.
“Why In British press there’s always news or articles about Argentina? We are not an important country,
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Your very right their,
But in fact, argentina is rarely mentioned in British papers..
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26 malen
About re re re election, I expected not an in determination, answer as always
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You mean she will pull the petals of the flower,
Im in , im out , im in , im out , im in , im out,….lol.
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38 Truth_Telling_Troll
You missed one ,,,…
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The falkland islanders don't need to hold their referendum anymore. The whole world now knows that this woman is an idiot, a fool and a liar.
It is probably best now if KFC crawls back under the rock from whence she came............and takes her insanity with her.
Well, let me put it this way: I had been to Argentina a number of times before I decided to move there. I thought that this was the land of opportunities, having met so many nice people down there. However, after a couple of months, being able to scratch the surface, I realized how sick a society Argentina is - things you don't see, when travelling as a tourist. Being around Argentinians and working with then, I saw things, that I didn't want to see, things that totally destroyed this picture perfect image I had of Argentina.
Now, what really worries me, is to read your comments and being a witness to your unconditional devotion to CFK. To me it seems like, either you're on a pay roll or you haven't got the slightest clue about what it takes to create a society worth living in....for everyone!
A little self criticism and self reflection is all it takes to get out of that delusion of yours.
“CFK your time is running out”
I'll hold the door open while you kick the b*tch out of it.
Enjoy your inflatable argie girlfriend, my British friend.
LOL - you ran out of arguments or what?
I only debate with people who say where they are from, you are not Dane.
And why do you say that - do you know who I am?
Which aggressions are you talking about. As far as I know, Denmark has always being on good terms with Argentina....except for that time, when we threw out those agents who smuggled Nazi collaborators out through Denmark to Argentina for Peron in 1946.
Do you know the difference between bias and lies?
Clarin lies 'ALL the time'? Really? Maybe it lied in the past in a different era. I dont know. But look at Clarins front page today or over the last week or month.... and give me a single article about CFK and her 'government' which suggests that it lies 'ALL the time'. Anti CFK? Yes and so what. Liar? wheres the evidence?
Also you conveniently forget just how many people in Argentina are employed in state run controlled media outlets. In most countries of the world this is a clear conflict of interest and this activity is called propaganda. In ARgentina many of the multitude and extensive media outlets pretend to be neutral whilst not reporting the oppositions actions to the 'government' or not reporting the government's failings or simply ridiculing the oppossition for daring to question the government. This is pathetic and decietful. At least Clarin makes its position more than clear
I unlike you base my opionions on individual certifiable facts whereas you and your kind's sole interest is to protect your belief system. At whatever cost. Therefore I can say happily that I agreed with a number of things she said. They can be backed up with clear and ample evidence. However she also blatantly lied and downplayed a number of things. Again the lies can be proved as such by clear and ample evidence.
As usual, she, like her entire cabinet shows an arrogance and patronising manner and victimhood when people - Argentines or not - dare to question her policies and comments. At the end of the day shes employed by the state and should be answerable to her policies, actions and comments. Its not complicated. Humble and fair she isnt.
1931 attack by Danish whaling ship to a similar Argentine whaling ship off the coast of San Julian port
1946 interference in internal argentine affairs
2001 voting against Argentine restructuring of debt.
Like I said, Argentina has grievances against all of the European racist nations. And whether it is us or divine providence, the score shall be settled.
Is there any country Argentina doesn't have a grievance against? Don't just throw an answer back either. I'll want to know what your sources are.
does that incluse Ice Land,
1931: Ye, that was indeed an act of war...not
1946: Interfere with a country which supports our enemy (The Nazis) - kind of obvious isn't it)
2001: You threw the party - you pay for it my friend.
Dear TTT, if I may give you a good advice, you should stop posting in this forum as you are making a fool of yourself. Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about, and you suffer from this common Argentinian decease called “self righteousness”. I feel so sorry for all those kids growing up in Argentina who have to listen to your boludo.
#56 Lol!
Sadly no, the nature of the beast (European culture).
@79
Iceland, I'll get back to you.
Yes.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNTGgauPlD8
@80
You were thieving our catch in OUR waters. Typical european criminality.
The more people say I'm making myself a fool, the more I know I've struck a chord because the truth and facts are unconfortable, and my IQ allows me to hold a debate on 10 different articles with 5 people in each.
That means that without a sweat I debate 50 people simultaneously.
Is not that hard really, when you have the FACTS AND TRUTH. Unlike the rest of you, I don't have to think back on the lies I made, that's what makes you all so slow.
|:)
Heavens! According to you, even little Denmark whacked you with impunity. You'd better pump up your belief in divine providence...
But you didn't now did you? How is Brazilian Uruguay doing? hahahahahah
Bwahahahahahaha - have you forgot that you are European descendants, and you are still such European wannabe's :)))
...and I'm not impressed by you being able to have 50 conversations going. Maybe that's why you are so pelotudo :)
In Argentina you have the only country on Earth where you can drive from an amazonian semi-jungle, to an advancing glacier in the tundra. And every solitary ecosystem in between (desert, forests, cacti, steppe, prairie, savanah, swamp, wetland, hills, coniferous forest, broadleaf forests, cold steppe, subpolar rainforest, beaches, mountains). Of course all climates on Earth are here too (tropical to subpolar). We have cities, one of the biggest cities in the world, and other smaller cities. Towns, countryside. All cultures are present here, even if in small numbers. I can visit a german, french, portuguese, welsh, english, russian, polish, serb, turkish, jewish, chinese, lao, japanese, bolivian, peruvian, chilean, brazilian, african, slovene, dutch, danish, X, Y, Z town in Argentina to see the world.
There is nothing outside Argentina that you can't find in Argentina. No need to ever leave my borders to have a taste of the world in everyway.
@88
Those are internal argentine to argentine discussions, which I don't hold here. We are being attacked by foreigners here. The discord ends at the shoreline, as the Americans say.
You're a good laugh, but I'm going to abort mission here - you are not of this world. Unfortunately it's people like you, who's giving normal Argentinians a really hard time....and you don't even realize it. Sad!
Nice try, you just can't put forth an objection to my remarks that in Argentina I have the world without leaving the country (totally true and you know it).
Mendoza is doing really well, thank you.
No - you don't have the world in Argentina, and I know it, as I have been in both Argentina and pretty much the rest of the world. So actually I know better than you, that you're wrong.
The fact is that you know that CFK is a corrupt lady that lies all the time and is leading the country to another economical disaster.
SHE is the enemy of regular Argentine people !!!! her corruption affects thousands of kids who cannot eat or study.
She, and her familiy and friends, spent thousands of public USD dollar travelling in the official plane to solve their personal business !!!!
The fact is that you don't have the courage to admint that Argentina is right now such a bad place to live that not a single islander would accept am agreement to be part of us. And I don't hate them so I would suggest that they stay away (and far very far) from Argentina...at least from the time being.
I do, want me to show you the biggest Danish town in Latin America? If you really are Dane you would know which one that is.
I have been to Necochea, and it has nothing to do with Denmark.
Your answer, by the way, answered many many things.
Well, you do have surprises.
I don't need to see Danish buildings, I just have to experience the culture. So, I can go to Denmark without leaving.
(If I want to see pastoral scenes like Denmark), I just go up the road.
Then arrive in Tres Arroyos, to enjoy Holland.
Then drive Daireaux to experience France.
Then go north to Lincoln, Armstrong, etc, to experience the Irish.
Drive east to Hurlingham and then to San Isidro to enjoy English culture.
Fly south to Gaiman and I'n in Wales.
Go north to Villa Belgrano and I'm in Germany.
Go to Obera and I'm in Ukraine, head to Villa Angela and I'm in Serbia.
Drive 20 minutes south of Menodoz to Ugarteche and I'm in Bolivia.
Head west on the highway to the mountains and stay at the Swiss Village, have jam and hot chocoate (do it all the time), I'm in Switzerland.
And I can go and on and on and on and on....
That's how great Argentina is.
Lets not get into the climate and natural variety unequalled by any nation on Earth as well.
:)
As I just told you, that area has nothing to do with Denmark and is out of comparison.
So what you are saying the people there are 'fake'?
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They seem to have Danish blood to me... Are you disowning your own people?
Haha - well, if that's your perception of the world, you couldn't be further from the truth. But that explains you delusional argumentation I guess.
I had a house in San Isdro and it is nothing like the UK, Bariloche is not like Germany, Bolivia yeah there is a lot of that in Argentina you got me there.
You have been brainwashed and it is pathetic. I feel sorry for you.
I just googled “necochea argentina” and took one of the first pictures of people I could find.
Just admit it, I can see every culture on Earth (perhaps with the exception of Australian aboriginal), without leaving my country.
Can you say the same?
Couldn't agree more. It's sad isn't it?
If you want to be stolen by a puclic servant you can try to pass through the Custom's House in the International Airport..like in Nigeria.
If you want to experience a dangerous trip by train take the Sarmiento line.....you might be trapped in a train crash like in India
If you want to buy dollars or any other foreigner currency go to exchange offices in Buenos Aires...you will experience Venezuela.
And if you want to experience the typicla arrogance of some Argentine people just start a discussion about Argentina !!!
You're pathetic and it's so sad.
No one has disproved that all the towns I mentioned are inhabited by people of cultures from all over the world. Whether the buildings look like the country is irrelevant. They came here escaping their countries, not to emulate them. But they kept some of their culture.
That's what I care about seeing. The culture.
And I can keep listing tows:
Venado Tuerto (northern Italian)
Concordia (Hungarian)
Rio Tercero (Georgian)
Avellaneda (Paraguayan)
Balcarce (lombard)
To see landscapes, I can see any landscape in Europe or the USA in Argentina, with the exception I will admit of the Grand Canyon (but La Rioja has similar formations, though not a canyon).
Everything else, I never have to leave. Fact.
That whole area, Villa Belgrano, La Cumbrecita, etc. is gorgeous. But, to say “it's just like going to Germany”. Well, that couldn't be further from the truth.
This might be a too personal question TTT, but are you a retard? If so, I'll bear with you, if not, seek medical attention because what you say is way out and you're just writing yourself up in a corner here.
Do you believe that the Argentine inflation is rouding 10% too?
Do you believe that the Reserves of the Central Bank are 47.000 million dollars?
The cultural diversity of Argentina was achieved thank to the old leader class...like Sarmiento, Mitre, JA Roca...but you don't like them beacues they were republicans and honest people.
Most probably, and following your “leader” instructions, you will start trying to convince all of us that all the good thing of Argentina were achived thanks to CFK !!!!
www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/thoughtsofaforeigner/weekly-news-roundup-september-28th/
When these people led the country Argentina was considered one of the young countries with better future...now...we know what we are.....just visit Argentina and face the truth !!!
Wrong again! We don't eat Dulce de Leche and Alfajores in Denmark. Not even Argentine meat is considered a delicacy anymore, so nobody bothers selling it. And if we want to experience Argentinian culture, guess what, WE GO TO ARGENTINA.
Brazilians bear no ill will towards Uruguay. True, it was once part of our country, but we do not train our children in Lebensraum myth-making. We respect Uruguayans' right to self-determination.
I have read your responses to Mr. TTT with interest….
I would like to comment some of them….
1) You describe Denmark, as I remember it……..........., in the seventies.
Things ain’t sooooo ”rosy” anymore, min lille ven….
2) You say:
”However, after a couple of months, being able to scratch the surface, I realized how sick a society Argentina is - things you don't see, when travelling as a tourist. Being around Argentinians and working with then, I saw things, that I didn't want to see, things that totally destroyed this picture perfect image I had of Argentina.
I say:
However, after a couple of months, being able to scratch the surface, I realized how sick a society …………… is - things you don't see, when travelling as a tourist. Being around ……………. and working with then, I saw things, that I didn't want to see, things that totally destroyed this picture perfect image I had of …………...
(Fill the dotted lines with the Nationality of your preference and it will fit perfectly….........)
So; let me put it this way....: You seem to be suffering from that common ”Developed Nation” disease called “Self Righteousness”.
To finish.....; paraphrasing your words again…..:
”A little self criticism and self reflection is all it takes to get out of that “self righteousness”. of yours.
Gode Hilsner
El Think
Chubut, Argentina…
I feel sorry for you. But then again, not that Denmark has such high priority for us in Argentina. Not even Italy, the UK or Germany do.
@115
You respected self-determination of Uruguay after Argentina whacked you and was half way up the Rio Grande do Sul, and then you called on mommy England to have everyone sit down (you were also broke from the war, and had rebellions all over Brazil because it wasn't going too well).
Good post.
I agree with you to a certain extend, but there are levels of, should we say, misfortune. Denmark has it's flaws, but at least we have a government that is aware of it and is working to improve things around. Sorry, but I can't say the same for Argentina.
And I'm not saying that how we do things around here is perfect, but if I compare to Argentina it comes pretty close.
...and you know what, you have an incredibly beautiful country with a lot of really nice people, and I could list a million things I like about Argentina. It's just such a shame that you have an incompetent government fucking up everything and preventing your country from achieving and becoming what it what it has the potential of.
If we did, people would have listed them.
I think people in here hit a dead end with you TTT. You're on you own now.
I give you that our present government is very imperfect, but.....
If you just cared to read a bit of Argentinean history you would know that the present Kirchner period is the best Argentina and the Argentinean people have had in the last 60 years......
You could also consider from what dephts this government had to start the reconstruction of our Country after the the 2001/2002 economic and social meltdown.
Not a small feat, I can assure you.................
I got Your history covered and I know it hasn't been easy, but what I just don't get is why you keep electing thieves for government. You are a young country and have a lot to learn (no offence), but it seems like you are too proud and stubborn and refuse to learn from those of us, who have been through that whole process. Admitting flaws and lacks can be a quality and a little self criticism can improve a lot of things easily.
...and then there are corruption and lack of transparency. The root of all evil.
I really would wish you would stop being so patronizing........
Just in the last 9 years, the Kirchner government has passed and implemented hundreds of laws, regulations and systems directly inspired and learned from the progressive forces in the developed countries.
You seem intelligent and informed enough to know about them.....
About corruption......:
Corruption is a big scourge for all us.
Many down here are doing their best to combat it.
We are NOT blind to it.
Quite different, I must say, with the Europeans....
Just the recent LIBOR (London Interbank Offered Rate) corruption scandal has costed the global taxpayers trillions of dollars....
Or the recent CIBOR (Copenhagen Interbank Offered Rate) corruption scandal has costed the Danish taxpayers billons of Crowns....
And (nearly) nobody is doing anything against it.............
Does La Loca remember that her cherished daughter Florencia studied Cinema in a prestigious University in New York (and not in La Matanza)? And was the apartment they bought in NY for her (one of the most expensive cities in the world when it comes to property market) acquired before the dollar clamp or were AR pesos accepted in the transaction?? Utmost hypocrisy and double standards maybe? just maybe?????
I have a better idea: go to Britain. Maybe you can be shot in subway station or grabbing a taxi by police. Or huniliated for your skin color in a tram... or get mugged during a massive riot.
The reason people like CFK exist is because of you. Think about it.
(this will be a very rare time that I discuss internal politics in a foreigner's forum)
You are talking to a 21st century freedom-loving Brazilian, and so it is quite silly of you to expect me to feel offended by your reference to a military failure experienced by my country in the third decade of the 19th century, when it was a slavery-sanctioning expansionist empire. In fact, I do not know of any living Brazilians who dream of annexing Uruguay at the first opportunity. Therefore, my dear TTT, Brazilians and Argentinians differ not so much in war-prowess but in moral development. And that says a lot about your backwardness.
Yes I know I know all nations are morally superior to us. The Brits, the Americans, the Spaniards, Chileans, Uruguayans, Mexicans, French, Germans, Italians, even the Danes here tell us that.
Big deal. We don't care what the rest of the world thinks.
Boy, your country is such a war zone I can't keep up with my mass shootings anymore:
www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-minneapolis-shooting-20120928,0,7518307.story
www.nydailynews.com/news/national/carjack-suspect-shoots-high-speed-chase-fox-broadcasts-live-article-1.1170617
No, Iran is worse than you, but even that might change under CFK.
The problem is that the rest of the world wants a prostrate Argentina, a defeated Argentina, one that is stepped on by all our neighbors, by Europe, by North America, by China. That's the only time people like you will “like” Argentina.
While most of you want all nations to do well, you want us to fail. So when we stand up to the entire planet on trade, on politics, or in finance, it drives the world mad.
Since Argentina has been given two choices: be under the boot of every other nation and be poor, or be a rogue and poor... we choose to be rogue and poor.
Rogue means at least we will die on our feet, and not live on our knees.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pKPNnk-JhE
I can't believe how regular and predictable these devastating colapses are in Argentina. Why can't they avoid them, is it short term memory loss? or just sheer stupidity on the part of the voting public?
I mean if you wanted to write a manual on how to destroy an economy that should be the Canada or Australia of Latin America you couldn't improve on this regime. Does anyone believe what they say in Argentina, I wonder.
Australia and Canada were not sabotaged by most of the world in the 1940s and 1950s like Argentina was.
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What's that got to do with her admin?????????
I don't know too much about what happened 70 years ago but seriously dude, are you stoned or something, this is a serious issue give me a better reason than that one please. This regular cycle of economic collapse has to be explained better than that.
Don't take my word for it, ask yankeeboy, mastershakejb, v vor victory, and others have admitted. After WWII Europe and the USA decided to punish Argentina for staying neutral by no longer buying our products, but buying them from each other or their former colonies (Australia, Canada, Africa). As such our exports collapsed, Peron retaliated by restricting imports, and ever since then Argentina went from being the most open trade nation in the world in the first half of the 20th century to being the world's most trade averse country bar the communist states remaining today.
I posted an article the other day about CFK's administration. I will post it again because I think it is relevant to this discussion.
southernpacificreview.com/2012/09/22/argentina-is-the-country-in-upheaval/
The world ostracizes argentina because she acts like a rogue nation and refuses to pay it bills.....period. Someone cannot move into an established community and make it's own rules. You love to harp on our national debt, but until we default.....shut up about it.
Argentina does not have to be poor. But when you cap oil at 40 a barrel and it costs 38 to pump it out of then ground, then blame Repsol for exporting oil and not investing in the country, what the hell do you expect? And they have not compensated Repsol and that is the number one reason no new companies with drill in partners with YPF.....period. Argentina cannot tell private enterprises what is an acceptable profit and expect them to say...“okay”. That model of “internal domestic economics” is unattainable is a global system. Like the normal life cycle of a business, the global market is experiencing development pains as the “global economy” is relatively a new concept. There has always been international trade as far back as man learned to travel. But this global economy is still developing rules and processes. By argentina going rogue, the only thing they are doing with leaving themselves of of developing the rules. She has every right to stick her head in the sand and scream the world is flat, but she's cutting her nose off to spite her face, all because she won't pay her debts.
“Your english is soo good”
Almost all Danes speak and write English, the younger ones usually better than the average American form the US.
“I think this is the same Brit posing as a Dane and argie, talking to himself.”
We know how you think.
What is the origin of the word “colony”?
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@MaxAue
Max, hvis du læser et mindre antal af Truth_Telling_MickeyMouse indlæg, vil du indse, at han/hun/den/det for det meste blot spyr galde og er en fanatisk nationalist, som lider under den tvangstanke, at Argentina kan klare sig helt alene, uden samarbejde - eller bare kontakt - med resten af verden.
www.amazon.com/The-Real-Odessa-Criminals-Argentina/dp/1862075522/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348898782&sr=8-1&keywords=uki+goni
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@St.John
Ja han er rablende gal.
Enig med jer to....... ;hvis I virkeligt er to.....
This site seems to have an overepresentation of Scandinavian posters....
Norwegian Mr.Skåre.
Swedish/ Danish/Uruguayan Mr. Guzz.
Bagsværdian Mr. St. John
Danish Mr. MaxAue
And, last and least Scandi/Patagonian Mr. Think……
All of them, reasonably informed…
None of them insulting Turnips….
Scandinavia Rules! ;-)
if you know the poem 'Holger Danske', you'll know we each are who we claim to be - two persons - and why.
“Vil dansken i verden fægte,
men dølger åsyn og navn,
jeg ved, hans ånd er ej ægte,
jeg tager ham ej i favn. ”
It's not in our Scandinavian nature to be insulting - we don't have to :) It's more a genuine concern for people who are not well treated according to “universal” rules of a good life. We have had our shares of corrupt governments and wars (aprox a 1000 years) so we probably have this self-conception of having moved on to more valuable things in life....such as “the good life”.
All this debating the current situation in Argentina, is not to patronize you in any way, but more to criticize constructively and being skeptic towards dodgy governance - for being skeptic is indeed in our Scandinavian nature....but I guess TTT already figured that out in Necochea :)))
Utter nonsense. ” After WWII Europe and the USA decided to punish Argentina for staying neutral by no longer buying our products, but buying them from each other or their former colonies (Australia, Canada, Africa)”
Which part of the second world war did you miss? Let's see, during WWII, food was a strategic commodity. Now most of the usual sources of food where either under Nazi occupation, too far away or needed in that particular theatre of war. For instance, it's more logical for Australia's produce to be used in the Pacific theatre of war, than to try and get it all they way round to the Atlantic theatre of war.
Argentina did very well by selling to both sides in the war. After the war, there was no longer a need for Argentine produce, because liberated countries were producing enough of their own produce to feed their own people and sell the excess.
So it was cheaper to buy from Europe, if you are based Europe, than to export the same items all the way from South America. Fighting the war cost lots of money, wars generally do, so no sane government is going to pay more than they have to for the same product are they?
Not punishment, just simple economics. Get over it. Argentina charged through the roof for its produce during the war, and then after the war the customers shopped around and went for cheaper options.
Oh, and didn't Argentina do well after the war too? Accepting all that stolen gold from nazi's fleeing justice. Gold stolen from the millions of people they had murdered.
Argentina has no moral high ground in this case. None at all.
Not only that Tobias, but Argentina wasn't the only neutral country in WWII. No one went around punishing countries for being neutral. It's all in that paranoid mind of yours. Argentina try's to play the victim card all the time. Everyone in the world is fed up of it. Of your hypocrisy, your faux tears, your faux outrage but most of all your blatant and outrageous lies.
Well spoken :)
Vi dølger allesamen åsyn og navn...
Or is your real name St.John?
Or are we talking to the real Max Aue?
Or do you “Think” I'm really called “Think”?
(146) MaxAue
You'll have to excuse me, but I find your previous comments about the present Argentinean Government to be much more than ....: “Constructive criticism and skepticism towards dodgy governance ”
You seem to forget that Mrs. Kirchner’s party got 54 % of the vote in the last election.
Followed By Mr. Binner’s party with 17 %.
That gives us a total of 71% that voted for the economical and social policies our Country is embarked in.
Please; give us all the : “Constructive criticism and skepticism towards dodgy governance” you want….
But try to keep your ”middle-upper class biased”, mono-dimensional, unrepentant and confrontational criticism under some kind of “Scandinavian” control.
They need a Pinochet to fix the corruption problem once and for all and get on the same road as Chile. Until that happens they'll continue sliding down the economic and freedom scale..
BTW Think do you need me to send you some U$ so you can stay somewhere with hot water on your vacation to Uruguay? That place you posted looks like an out of the way dump. Just post your paypal account. I feel sorry for you.
Do you advertize the naive/dull/mediocre peoples/nations of Scandinavia here ?
Just say that “El Think” send you..........
You will get the privilege of paying the full rack rate and I will get some free caipirinhas ;-)
www.posadabuscavida.com.ar/laposada_ing.html
www.posadabuscavida.com.ar/restauranteybares_ing.html
Turnip Mr. Yankeeboy at (153)…….
Or the New York Times travel section?
travel.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/travel/uruguays-bohemian-chic-beaches.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Nice Argie owned place:
Posada Buscavida, Oceania del Polonio, Uruguay.
No electricity at night (spotty at best during the day), barely any hot water and thanks but no thanks I don't want to vacation with unwashed hippies trying to re-live their glory days of the 70s, smoking pot and reeking of BO/Smoke and trying to cover it up with patchouli.
I think it is awful but if you like it good for you, I pretty much guessed that would be your kind of vacation, trying to pretend you like the austerity/simplicity of it all but it is really because you can't afford somewhere decent.
“You seem to forget that Mrs. Kirchner’s party got 54 % of the vote in the last election.” - No I haven't forgot that, and what I also haven't forgot was how she managed to get/buy all those votes. See, when you drive a huge truck filled with kitchen appliances into a Villa and telling people to vote for you, getting 54% is the least problem. And this is not the only example on how she got those votes, not to mention the fraud going on at the polling stations.
And they didn't vote for the economical and social policies Your Country is embarked in, they voted to get some money here and now, because that's how Argies think. If they can gain something right here and now (money) they'll vote for anything.
So I don't give much for those 54% I'm afraid.
This made my day!! :D
Listen to yourself….!
Now YOU are talking….!
YOU are using the same “Faux Arguments” as the worst Argentinean oligarchs and fascists :
”Argentineans didn't vote for economical and social policies, they voted to get some money here and now, because that's how Argies think, YOU SAY…………….”
””They” drove huge trucks filled with kitchen appliances into some villas telling people who to vote for, not to mention the fraud going on at the polling stations, YOU SAY……………...”
”You don't give much for those 54% (71%), YOU SAY………………”
Well boy…………., So much for YOUR “Constructive criticism and skepticism towards dodgy governance ”
YOU DO SAY a lot of crap and you just demostrated your total disregard for the most basic principles of democracy.
I, on my side, have noting more to say to you…………..
There is seriously something mentally wrong with these creatures.
Argentina's state-controlled oil company has finished a U.S. and European tour with no new investors to show for it.
YPF President Miguel Galuccio had 40 meetings with 70 businesses and investors in Los Angeles, Boston, New York and London, inviting them to help develop the world's third-largest reserves of shale oil and natural gas.
The company called it a “non-deal road show” and said Friday that no new partnerships were expected yet.
Argentina is sitting on a fossil fuel fortune, but needs billions of dollars to produce it, and major oil companies have yet to commit. Analysts blame the government's heavy hand in the market and Grupo Repsol's threat to sue any partner for the $10 billion investment that Argentina seized when it took over the company this year.
I could not agree more with what you said. Well spoken.
But as i always say, don't bother with ''El TwinkleStar'' and all the others Cyber KKs, they are brainwashed beyond repair.
Oh oh! You have gone and upset 'I don't Think' aka The Turnip In Chief now!
WELL DONE.
You can always spot when the BIGGEST LIAR on MercoPress is upset: he starts to talk down to you by the use of 'Well boy' as if somehow his greater years mean something.
Greater years of age only demand respect if the old git has used them to expand his thinking and knowledge, not for lying.
viewswire.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=VWArticleVW3&article_id=568674641®ion_id=1510000351&refm=vwReg&page_title=Latest+analysis
Argentina Flawed democracy
Freedom of Press
IAPA concluded a visit to Buenos Aires. According to the news agency EFE, in its preliminary report, IAPA denounced the “constant harassment and intimidation of independent and critical journalists” in an attempt to “create self-censorship or simply attack them to destroy their credibility.”
Corruption
#100/180
cpi.transparency.org/cpi2011/results/
Yes, I'm talking and I'm not talking crap unfortunately. I saw the pictures, the video and the filed report of the incident with the truck from the district attorney, and I also read the letter in which government officials threatened the lawyers involved not to go public with it or else...
In other words, I'm not the one disregarding the basic principles of democracy - on the contrary.
But here's a link so you can brush up on the principles of democracy for yourself - seems like you need that. Take note at numer 4 and 5 in particular ;) www.lawanddemocracy.org/pdffiles/amazing.prin..pdf
You saw ONE video about ONE truck and read ONE letter of some government officials.............
That's enough for you to disregard the votes of more than 20 million Argentines?
And you “Don't Want to Mention the Fraud going on at the Polling Stations”, you say?
What fraud?
At what polling stations?
When...? Where...? How...? Who...?
Any proof?
Any links?
Any articles about it, even from the most rabid opposition?
ANYTHING but your word?
Still waiting for your answer to the following question:
Does La Loca remember that her cherished daughter Florencia studied Cinema in a prestigious University in New York (and not in La Matanza)? And was the apartment they bought in NY for her (one of the most expensive cities in the world when it comes to property market) acquired before the dollar clamp or were AR pesos accepted in the transaction?? Utmost hypocrisy and double standards maybe? just maybe?????
Lived in Britain for 6 happy and peaceful years...seriously thinking of settling back down... Please give me your honest thoughts to the question above.
Denial denial denial.....
www.metacafe.com/watch/1426561/corrupt_voting_in_argentina/
of course this was a couple years ago its probably $100 pesos now...
So....
No proof whatsoewer.... huhhhhhh?
What was it you wrote to TTT in one of your comments ?
Ohhhh Yes...:
“This might be a too personal question, MaxAue but, are you a Turnip?
If so, I'll bear with you, if not, seek medical attention because what you say is way out and you're just writing yourself up in a corner here.”
Burden Of Proof:
the claim that whatever has not yet been proved false must be true (or vice versa). Essentially the arguer claims that he should win by default if his opponent can't make a strong enough case.
There may be three problems here. First, the arguer claims priority, but can he back up that claim ? Second, he is impatient with ambiguity, and wants a final answer right away. And third, “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
Think, How many of Kirchner's allies have been imprisoned for corruption since they started ruling the country?
Was the case against Nestor dropped and then the judge mysteriously has conspicuous amounts of free cash to spend on expensive jewelry? Or is this coincidence?
As it happened with TTT I gave up on Think (if it's not the same person. Those people are out of reach and apparently it's impossible to have an intelligent conversation with such people.
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However, that transparency statistics looked pretty well for Denmark I recon :)
TOBERS: Nobody is neutral , that's an idiot argument that is expressed by hipocrite giornalists who don't want to recognize openly which candidat they support. I have never believed in neutrality, i only believe in ideologies or in ideas. Everybody here knows that i support c. f. k's gov., but at the same time, i recognize that her gov. has also controversies and contradictions, like the denounces of corruption cases, or some wrong decisions that were taken in the past. In the case of clarin, it parrots all the time that it practices independent giornalism, but we all know that it supports different candidats from the oponent politic parties, especially mauricio macri, anyway clarin has right to support him or whoever, because it's part of the democracy, however, it can't say that it's independent. On the other hand, most questions that were made to c. f. k. were based on distortions and lies published by clarn, like the phrase, be affraid of me, or the so called re -reelection plan, or the fact tha somebody can live with 6 pesos, all those news were distorted, and she explained them.
BRITISH: i think it's necesary a reform of the constitution, because we must assure that all the achievements that we could get, won't be recalled by any conservative gov., which might role argentina in the future. Anway, she was very clear respecting that issue, beside, she doesn't have enough majority in both chambers, in order to achieve it, and it will be very difficult for her to get it, because the openent politic parties won't vote a reform that allows her the posibility of being re- reelected. On the other hand, i think she has smart people in her cabinet who might become into great candidats, i like, mercedes marcó del pont (president of the central bank), florencio randazzo (minister of the interior), juan manuel abal medina (chief of cabinet), hector timerman, or axel kiccillof.
As a K supporter, can you please answer the following question, which TTT has still not answered...If i remember well, you are intellectually honest, and she attempted to give an argentinian a hard time just because he was studying in a private expensive University in the USA, almost as if he was committing a crime:
Does Kretina remember that her cherished daughter Florencia studied Cinema in a prestigious University in New York (and not in La Matanza)? And was the apartment they bought in NY for her (one of the most expensive cities in the world when it comes to property market) acquired before the dollar clamp or were AR pesos accepted in the transaction?? Utmost hypocrisy and double standards maybe? just maybe?????
Character Outline:
Axel (just plain dumb, dumb dumb dumb)
Toby (TTT) ( arrogant narcissistic sophomoric)
Think ( Narcissistic, Paranoid, Stalker, absurdly arrogant, bitter)
All of them use one of these when they start losing an argument:
www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html
and then they think they won the argument
One of the only reason I come here is because it is easy to get them to melt down and it is fun to watch.
May be you can shed some light on my previous comment addressed to Axel Arg, which I quote below. Come on, give some credit to your user name:
As a K supporter, can you please answer the following question, which TTT has still not answered...If i remember well, you are intellectually honest, and she attempted to give an argentinian a hard time just because he was studying in a private expensive University in the USA, almost as if he was committing a crime:
Does Kretina remember that her cherished daughter Florencia studied Cinema in a prestigious University in New York (and not in La Matanza)? And was the apartment they bought in NY for her (one of the most expensive cities in the world when it comes to property market) acquired before the dollar clamp or were AR pesos accepted in the transaction?? Utmost hypocrisy and double standards maybe? just maybe?????
So what does that have to do with me? Can you answer that before I answer your question? If she was a hypocrite, so what? You in Europe and the USA are the masters of hypcrisy, you never do as you say, so where's your shock.
It's pure spin.
You are not astute.
Tipsters,Swindlers,Pharisaics,Collaborators,Multi Identities....
these are the realities of life .
You should learn to live with them.Let them write........
job done.
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It does matter to me because I am argentinian and (unfortunately) Kretina is leading the country at the momemt... I just thought you supported her...
And further, I'd like any one here to ever show a quote where I literally said “go CFK go!” One in all the months I have been educating you! One!
I willl repeat, the irrational people are the rest of you. I merely defend my country from the constant verbal abuse, canards, scurrilous accusations, and attempts at opprobium, and you conclude I'm in the tank for whoever is in government. Pathetic.
So if you support your team in the World Cup, or at a golf tournmanent, that must mean you are 100% behind the current government in your country right? If you defend your country from false accusations here, you must be3 100% in the fish tank for your current leaders? That's is apparently, the unevolved EU, UK, US, thinking, demonstrated here by how they view argentines, who seem more evolved in understanding nuance, compartmentalizing, and context.
Go tit go!!!
Go dumberger go!!
“You never do as you say” We said we would recover the Falklands and we did !
Hypocrisy Argentine style.
To Falkland Islanders. We come to liberate you from your British oppressors. These are friendly guns we are pointing at you.
#182 Looks like a good rally to me with lots of committed activists, I'd imagine most of them would be more clued up than the haters at Harvard =)
Gonzo: It was before the dollar clamp, to answer your question. I wish sweet Flor all the best and hope she goes into politics one day =)
So who's right and who's wrong. You say there is a dollar clamp but CFK says there is not.
Chuckle chuckle.
Good show you and the other trolls are putting on, BK.
However, let me outline how it looks to an outside observer, watching world news and reading these forums:
moving fast towards being the North Korea of LATAM
- economy in the toilet
- fostering relationships with other rogue nations that oppress their people and threaten their neighbours
- has created propaganda arm of government, La Campora, to disrupt legitimate debate, prevent criticism of government, spread mis-information inside and outside Argentina.
- disbands news agency CLARIN and intimidates journalists
- INDEC, government agency for statistics,has key personnel and professionals replaced with government appointees - stats are manipulated
- tight currency controls - limit travel and control assets and investments by business and the citizens.
- as economy falters, the low income and poor become more beholden to the government by their reliance on official handouts.
- La Campora appointed to key roles in government companies, like the state airline, gaining control or influence
- Argentina reneges on trade agreements, defies the IMF and international lenders, while playing to the voters of Argentina that the world is conspiring against them.
- children are indoctrinated with official false history taught in schools
- Government demands sovereignty over peaceful neighbours at the same time accusing Falklands defenders of 'militarising the South Atlantic'
- Government attempts to change the country's Constitution to support continued indefinite reign of current leader CFK.
- Finally, the Dear Leader CFK, is supported by a personality cult.
www.clarin.com/politica/version-sobornos-sesion-impuestazo_0_710929052.html
lol, hit the nail on the head :)
First I want to say, I think Argentina has a PRETTY head of state.
Ok..on to the good stuff..
Argentina made an executive order, on A WEEKEND? For supermarkets- profit clamp on 300 goods!
See IMF, you LIE about inflation. Hahahaha
www.nasdaq.com/article/argentinas-government-orders-low-prices-on-300-basic-goods-20120930-00014
Supermarkets have some of the most razor-thin profit margins in business ( at least in the U.S.) so.. kinda weird.
In Venezuela, the
their price clamp made harina de maize, frijole, leche, and aceite scarce.
And they were Saudi-rich when the oil commodities market skyrocketed!
usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-08-12/hugo-chavez-venezuela-food-shortages/57021168/1
One grandma says, “I have never seen such shortages in all my life.”
If Americans knew where she lived we'd send snacks.
from Cornwall the UK
what there is here
nothing much that worth
to talk
that is why
I say
Junta doka? Argie ...you said?
you're, it's, were where?
say lay not lie
I say bye not buy
said see not sea
you ain't, i said, your aren't,
is better not butter
the best post are mine
what I do in may spare time?
scratch my big english ARSE...
just a thought....
lol
Sounds like an almost unintelligible Rap artist on ET lashing out against his slum neighbourhood and the oppressors who want to jail him unreasonably for 'cappin' a gringo' or beating up his girlfriend or ...
Nice one, “Sussie B I G”
Put it to music, maybe some one will listen then...
A deposit? Er it was more than that love. It was also a fundamental currency in her known business activities until recently (through media pressure)
Is it not remarkably strange that the President of a country extensively was using another countries currency for known business and investment activities and then says that the use of dollars in Argentina is a major problem. Im floundering in a state of disbelief at the hypocracy and idiocy of this.
“moving fast towards being the North Korea of LATAM”
Much better than to have “friends” like the EU, UK, USA, Mercosur, etc.
a nasty old european colonial power etc etc.- however out of date that view may be
She had a migraine and was pissed off they didn't ask fashion questions. Besides, she needed her thorazine.
I hope you DON'T become North Korea.
They cut their food rations, in 2011, by 2/3 to two hundred grams a day.
www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/10/21/11/north-korea-cuts-food-rations-two-thirds-un
A hundred thousand others passed in the '90s. This excerpt is the account of one who escaped. (To SK which is doing WELL). She MISSES her husband, remembers hold his hand as he was slipping away and telling him fantasies of food :
m.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/11/02/091102fa_fact_demick
note: Cities are NOT the place to be during these things.
Farmers have more freedom in Argentina so, it's relatively safe.
And Dilma is HUSTLING (good thing). Brazil's good fortune will continue to benefit it's friends
You know why asslips will fail? She never shes her mistakes, never accepts criticism, and only sees her way is the right way.
First sentence - cojones ! - or if my Spanish is incorrect -ballocks.
Second sentence
Yes , we have the moral high ground.
We have no problem in Libya.
Ignorance ? Coming from a buffoon like you ?
If you say that the appartment in new york was bought before the so called dollar clamp, then there is nothing to discuss about it. Beside, she recognized that she had a deposit in dollars, but changed it for pesos. Respecting the phrase that she said about la matanza, i think it was despisable, but the comparison that you do is redicoulus.
No one is targeting Muslims, the enemy just happens to be Muslims.
Why? It was clearly an attack on the snotty rich Harvard students, not on matanza itself, and has been ridiculously distorted by her enemies, no?
Oct 01st, 2012 - 03:11 pm
“It was clearly an attack on the snotty rich Harvard students,”
Good Heavens, BK, how do you know that the Harvard students are snotty and rich?????
Of the Argentine and Venezuelan students, several of them are there on merit, through scholarships, not through their parent's money. This includes at least one who was viciously attacked by our disgusting president!!!!!
All of our financial aid is awarded on the basis of demonstrated financial need – there are no academic, athletic or merit-based awards, and we meet the demonstrated need of every student, including international students, for all four years. We invite you to explore our web site for a detailed description of all aspects of our aid program, including our Harvard Financial Aid Initiative for low and moderate income students, under which families with incomes currently below $60,000 are not expected to contribute to college costs. Beginning in the fall of 2012, financial aid will be further expanded for low income students, when this income level will be increased to $65,000.
We do not consider home equity or retirement accounts as resources in our determination of a family contribution, and aid packages do not include any loans. A typical student may receive over $150,000 in Harvard scholarship assistance over four years and the majority of students receiving scholarship are able to graduate debt-free. Our program continues to be generous for students across the economic spectrum, with more than two thirds of those receiving scholarship assistance coming from families with incomes greater than $60,000.
I will let you find the percents, but you really do not want to know the truth. You prefer to label the snots and rich off the cuff without evidence.
www.fao.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do
“It was clearly an attack on the snotty rich Harvard students''
CFK = snotty with ANYONE who disagrees with her
CFK = richer most likely than all the Argentine Harvard students combined
BK = tonto
I understand its difficult whislt being a young student probably with limited public speaking experience to put pressing questions to the president of your country. But...its a shame more of the questions werent more direct and requiring a definitive answer.
eg
Q.How does a president and her cabinet members justify having used dollars extensively in business activities (citing references) in a country which has historically had a major problem with the US dollar affecting the Peso's value. And only recently having stopped doing so depite in CFKs case being president/married to the president over the last decade?
Q.When was the last time you did an interview with non government associated Argentine media? Why so long/never?
etc.
Having said that she didnt come out of the session well.
#215 your ignorance tells me you are not Argentin. who are you kidding ? no poor Argentine can afford to go to university in USA, I don't even think poor US citizens can afford to go to Harvard. I could be wrong but we both know I am not.
#216 bs and more bs all the financial help are loans and credit nothing is free and we all know without collateral there is no loan. I think people here should know that 99.9% of Argentine's simply love CFK. BAMOS CFK 2015! Sorry dude but you are wrong as usual. But I understand your comments are from an outsider.
I really think you're the angriest little la campora troll (as the Capt pats him on hs greasy little head and gives him another banana)
When was the last time the UK arrested its leaders for violating international law?
Actually, when was the first time??
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Quote of the year brought to you by Idlehead:
“8 Truth_Telling_Troll - you seem to misunderstand how the UN works. There was no UN resolution passed that demanded the invasion of Iraq should be stopped.”
You are WRONG, Captain Poppy!!
“Privates - Tugger ” is ALEX VARGAS and he lives in Canada.
He is NOT la Campora at all.
They are professionals, paid by CFK.
That kid, Alex, is an amateur.
You are right, though, he is very very angry, but just an impotent “hater”.
He really has no connection with Argentina.
His parents moved the family out of there for a better life.
Despite growing up in a society with great public education and government subsidised university, he is a failure.
Now he blames everyone else, but him.
His parents must be so proud.
Best ignored.
Come on ! We have got to have some light relief.
#213
Murder is the premeditated killing of a person or persons.
In war situations civilians can be killed accidently. At worst this could be called manslaughter.
An example of murder was when the Argentinian government invited nuns to fly in Army Airlines. Free helicopter trips for all ! Come one, come all.
Very small print - return tickets not available.. Parachutes not an optional extra.
Also “liberators” shooting innocents in their homes somewhere near the Euphrates.
#221 are homosexuals into the habit of stalking straight men?? Or is your assumption based on a oppressed fantasy? Talk to #219 I think you too might belong to the same culture club with #222.
#223 Not just Iraq, they also murdered muslim women and Children in Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria. This is not even a year ago this is all over the newspaper every day this week, This turds are all comedians, the joke is on them when their new friends just executed their ambassador in Libya last week. And the oil infrastructure will soon go up in flames. Posting is going to be fun this year.
Can they pay anything back they borrow? They need to rename the country.....el Pais Deadbeats
www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/YPF-s-Delays-Put-55-Cent-Default-Deal-in-Doubt-3909701.php
Now that is lack of I.
Wait until October shows it's ugly latin face.
BUENOS AIRES, Oct 1 (Reuters) - Argentina's tax revenue rose by a smaller-than-expected 20.2 percent in September from a year earlier, to 57.38 billion pesos ($12.21 billion), the government said on Monday.
Analysts had forecast the tax take at 60.50 billion pesos, according to the median in a Reuters poll in which estimates ranged from 57.71 billion pesos to 61.63 billion pesos.
Latin America's No. 3 economy is slowing sharply after growing 8.9 percent in 2011. The pace of tax revenue growth cooled somewhat earlier this year but rebounded in July and August, jumping 28.2 percent and 29.2 percent.
Much of the growth can be explained by high inflation, which private economists estimate at around 25 percent a year. The government's widely discredited inflation data puts consumer price rises at 10 percent a year .
In September, proceeds from the Value-Added Tax (VAT) rose 17.2 percent from a year earlier to reap 16.79 billion pesos for state coffers, government data showed.
At the same time, corporate and personal income tax receipts jumped 25.0 percent to 10.83 billion pesos while social security contributions surged 27.3 percent to 14.47 billion pesos.
Levies on exports fell 7.0 percent year-on-year last month due mainly to a decline in soybean and soyoil shipments after a drought slashed soy output last season.
Argentina's tax revenue totaled 47.73 billion pesos in September 2011 .
($1=4.70 Argentine pesos)
(Reporting by Hilary Burke, additional reporting by Walter Bianchi; Editing by M.D. Golan) Keywords: ARGENTINA ECONOMY/TAX
Define “viciously attacked”, I saw nothing of the kind...
Who are YOU?
......nothing more that a rubbish bloody english WIMP
afraid to release your name, location and phone number...aja! I see...
.......//////YOU...are afraid of the big bad wolf.....
rubbish bloody english wimp men ....known as rubbish bloody people,,,,all around the world! /////////////////////////////////////
www.economist.com/node/21563732?zid=305&ah=417bd5664dc76da5d98af4f7a640fd8a
For being honest, i didn't like in absolut the way she expressed that phrase, anyway i respect if you or others people don't think the same.
WTF!!!??! why has this not received more attention? this may be the most stupid thing she has ever said. (And that is saying something). how ridiculous is it to have a president who admits she has no strategy? no long term (or even medium term) objective? Though that is strikingly obvious from looking at her car crash policies, I would have thought she would be a little more clandestine about admitting her complete lack of plan.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-E6Lv9C6kI&feature=g-logo-xit (107m 30s onwards)
Students come from all over the world based on brightness and community service. incomes under $100K study free, and most get financial aid.
All young people will choose freedom over a free netbook, if aware of the choices. (:
www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/02/un-agency-says-it-will-stop-calculating-chile-stats-after-25-years/
Don't you know that anyone in this world have a choice to do anything they want....education, marriage, residence places...is a choice.....you need to grow up!
www.facebook.com/TruthTellingTroll?ref=ts&fref=ts
.....SO, WHAT?
Message understood
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