The Americas Defence ministers’ conference divided on Falklands/Malvinas issue
Argentina’s sovereignty claim over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands continues to generate discrepancies among countries of the Americas, as was exposed in the Declaration of Punta del Este, at the end of the X Conference of Defence Ministers of the Americas which took place in Uruguay.
“The Malvinas issue is still very controversial for the Americas” admitted on Wednesday Uruguay’s Minister of Defence Eleuterio Fernandez Huidobro pro-tempore president and host of the event.
The Falklands/Malvinas issue and a peace zone in the South Atlantic, despite not being part of the official agenda of the meeting, was addressed by an ad hoc committee that held ‘long discussions’ during the four day meeting in an attempt to bring closer the different positions.
Nevertheless Argentina managed to include two articles in the final declaration on the issue, although 15 of the 34 countries from the Americas expressed some “degree of safeguard or reserve”.
All members agreed to subscribe Article 19 of the Declaration which points out that “in the framework of the peaceful character of the Americas continent nations, they express their willingness to promote peace and cooperation in the South Atlantic”.
This was followed by “recognition” of the “importance” of this year’s OAS AG/Dec70 declaration which “decided to continue examining the Malvinas Islands issue until its definitive solution, underlining that this is an issue of standing hemispheric interest”.
Regarding this text Argentina, Bolivia, Brasil, Ecuador, Guyana, Nicaragua, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay and Venezuela expressed “concern” over the “growing militarization” of the South Atlantic and exercises which include “firing missiles” as the ones taking place in the Malvinas Islands.
They also reiterated their “strong support” for the “legitimate rights” of Argentina in the sovereignty dispute over the Islands and the surrounding maritime spaces.
Chile, Colombia and Mexico coincided in the “support” to Argentine sovereignty claims over the Malvinas but with no reference to the “militarization of the South Atlantic” which is attributed to the UK.
The US pointed out that the Falklands/Malvinas issue does not correspond to the Defence ministers of the Americas forum, and Canada openly dissented with the inclusion of the paragraph arguing that it is a “bilateral issue” and underlined that the “population of the Falkland Islands have the right to determine their own future”.
The Declaration of Punta del Este also referred to the member-countries ‘conviction’ that democratic institutions are the “fundamental pillars” to achieve peace, security, social equality and development in the hemisphere countries.
They also pointed out the importance of cooperation in defence and security issues “to address the new challenges” and their support to measures that strengthen institutional capacities together with the commitment to update the inter-American defence system.
The need to modernize the Inter-American Reciprocal Assistance Treaty, (TIAR) going back to 1947 as well as the Inter-American Defence Board (JID), were the two issues of “ongoing strong debate” and with visions “quite distant” according to sources at the discussions.
In the final declaration the two visions were reflected in the request to the OAS Permanent Council ‘to program and advance”, with the participation of Defence ministries, of meetings “to discuss the future of the mission and functions” of the Inter-American defence system including the JID.
Ministers also pledged “to expand the dissemination process” of international humanitarian Law and human rights through “doctrine, training and education”, whatever the case, among the Armed and Security forces.
Finally the delegates of the 28 participants out of 34 country members voted for Peru to take over the pro tempore presidency of the eleventh defence ministers conference to be held in that country in 2014.
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Argentina support from SA countries is very, very, very strong mate.
Just a timid US (that is not a SA country) declaration to don’t upset useful dog Britain that fight their wars for them like puppets and Canada (That is not SA country either) colony of England repeating like other BOT what UK crown tell them to say.
Canada will be easily isolated if keeps his position against SA countries and US will have to take a clear position if they want co-operation from SA countries in common defence policy.
Oh wait your you couldnt fight your way out of a wet paper bag.
South America
Hey at least its not africa.
Most of this issue is in Argentina's imagination.
The Myths and Legends of Argentina :-)
Isn't that a dodgy prog rock album from the seventies?
Oh yes very very strong. So strong that Brazil hosted a UK trade mission making millions, even billions for both countries. So strong that britain took part in naval operations involving many south american countries. It's so absolutely strong that trade between the SA and Britain continues to this day. So so strong!
What nonsense you talk! It would be interesting to see what the Argentine stance would be if the Falkland Islands were an overseas territory of the USA like Guam for example. I'm guessing they wouldn't say a word and the rest of SA would be quick to distance themselves from them if they did.
As for Canada's 'isolation' from SA I very much doubt they'd be overly concerned by that, having very little need of it.
What you seem to overlook is that the USA, Canada the UK and many more established democracies hold the right of self determination in high regard and amongst many conflicts fought two world wars side by side to defend this basic principle, notably WWII against the Nazis. Sadly in company with some Argentinians and others you choose to ignore these basic human rights, but then human rights are not high on the Argentine agenda are they? Admiring the Nazis and providing sanctuary to them when the war they started was lost must make you very proud!
The people of the Falkland Islands choose to retain their British identity, it is their right, so that the UK and other principled nations are prepared to defend that right if needs be.
I strongly suspect that many SA nations could benefit far more from trade with the FI as an independent territory than would be the case were Argentina to succeed in their dubious claims. They should give it a try, ignore the bully that is Argentina and move on.
Britain's first colony of the Great Empire was Newfoundland.
In 1949 the people of Newfoundland voted in referendums to become a part of Canada; there weren't any negotiations between the UK and Canada; the decision was made by the people of Newfoundland.
The Falklands/Malvinas issue will always be a voter distraction distraction for Argentine politicians when they are running the country into ruin and hyper inflation....once again !!
Malvinistas can console themselves that their most enthusiastic supporter, El Presidente for life (which probably won't be very long) Hugo Chávez, has hung on to power. Better hurry Malvies, I'm guessing he'll want to go out with a bang.
Well said those people and well said Canada, true friends !
In effect what the are argentines see as a growing british military presence is basically nothing but an illusion brought about by the reduction of their own armed forces, which has gradually made the british military presence look bigger over the years. Therefore to simply minded people like CFK, it appears as though the british military presence has increased when it has not. Its actually only looking as if it growing as a result of argentinas own military being decreased.
Nice one Mr C.
Well done Canada for once again placing self determination at the top of the agenda. Excellent country.
“Argentina support from SA countries is very, very, very strong mate.”
So strong that Chileans go over to work in the Falklands.
So strong that LAN Chile operates an airlink.
This support is just talk as South American cannot operate as a single entitiy.
Well done Canada for supporting democracy and speaking out against Argentine imperialism.
1. With no economic downside to Canada's Falklands position, PM Harper's strategic support of Falklands' self-determination is informed by clear interest not to give any tactical ammunition to the new separatiste Quebec government into herding that population towards independence .
2. PM Harper is also spearheading a return to more-clearly aligning Canada's shared leadership role in the Commonwealth and also some direct thrusts towards a more coherently- pro-British stance than his recent predecessors, such as returning the “Royal” nomenclature to Royal Canadian Navy and Royal Canadian Air Force (La Marine Royale Canadienne, L'Aviation royale canadienne).
3. PM Harper and British new policy of combining Canadian and UK space-sharing in embassies in some countries is not unique but does appear to represent a trajectory based on coincident views of many diplomatic and certainly consular policies. In my time in Canadian consular service in South America, I had a significant number of UK citizens showing up and getting full service in our Canadian embassy.
The other South American nations only pay lip service to Argentina's claims, because they need Argentina's continued participation in trade agreements, which Argentina frequently flouts.
Countries like Brazil & Chile value their trade with the UK & Europe. They are expanding economies & they need access to European markets to sell their produce. So whilst they may say they agree with Argentina's (false) claims to the Falklands, in truth they ignore it as a bi-lateral issue.
Countries like the United States, Canada & many of the Caribbean nations, value the right of Self-Determination. They have fought & continue to fight alongside the UK in the defence of these in-alienable freedoms. The United States is extremely reluctant to become embroiled in this dispute, because they were involved back in 1830. As far as they were concerned (back then) Argentina was the aggressor, seeking to obtain land which did not belong to them.
The history of the Falkland Islands did not begin in 1833 or with the short lived Argentine colony (Yes the Argentines were the colonials!) in 1826-1833. The question of ownership of the Islands goes far back to 1690, over 130 years before the Argentines arrived. Both the French & Spanish have better claims than Argentina, but both of these have eventually waived their sovereignty rights in favour of the UK.
Argentina can continue to 'beat itself up' by ranting on about their spurious claims, but nothing will change. The Islands will continue to belong to the present inhabitants & there is nothing that Argentina can do to force that to change. The Falklands will continue to be a national embarrassment to Argentina, a proof of their failure & that Argentina is a nation of thieves.
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/113912/ghana-judge-rejects-argentine-claim-training-ship-remains-seized
please expalin by what you mean as a Canada being a Colony?
Please answer me this:
Is Canada an Independent Nation and thus a full member of the UN - please answer yes - or No
If No please explain and list the governing powers that the elected British Govt and the British Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary Mionister has over Canada? Millions of Canadians would be fascinated to know this!!!
Also will the strong solid backing you talk about - as this was a defence and military meeting - please explain why not all S America backed the Argentine claims over militartization.
Please also explain why Brazil- Uruguay and Chile put the words FALKLAND ISLANDS on all export trade documentation to the Islands?
Please explain also wht the Brazilian Navy recently met and exercised with British type 45 destroyer HMS Dauntless.
Please explain why this same vessel spent several days in a Columbian Port and also worked with the Columbian Navy?
Please explain how last summer a Royal Navy vessel entered and berthed in both Rio de Janiero and Montevideo enroute to the Islands?
@02
”Britain that fight their wars for them like puppets and Canada (That is not SA country either) colony of England repeating like other BOT what UK crown tell them to say.”
Danny you have once again babbled away a load of thoughtless drivel because had you been thoughtful you will have known that USA has much more reason to keep stum and back the UK as they know the truth for a start and wish to maintain the vauable relations they have with the UK. If Britain was the useful dog of the USA then the USA must think Argentina is the 'useless' dog of the USA and would probably put it to sleep for humane puposes.
Most of the posts following your silly comments have, as I presumed, put you back in your box, stupid boy!
I wonder when TMBOA is going to wake up and anti-up the money to get the 'Flagship' back?
The way she is mishandling this (what a shock) they will be lucky to end up with the flag off the Flagship.
The pantomime continues. I think Singer can now enforce the original judgement against the AGs.
Auction coming soon.
LOL, LOL
You clearly don't interact with many Chileans do you? Government spokespeople can say anything to assuage a neighboring country. Those are just words and 99.9% of the time they're meaningless.
I always love it when people talk about “solidarity” among SA countries. Anybody who thinks that Chile or that typical the typical Chilean gives a rat's ass about Argentina or Argentina's claim on the Falklands simply doesn't know what they're talking about. I can't speak for what other the typical person in other countries thinks, but I can tell you I have a lot of daily interaction with lower income and somewhat middle class Chileans and they just don't care and they sure as hell wouldn't support any kind of military alliance with Argentina. They don't like Argentinians and don't trust them. They only like them when they come and spend money in the summer. Other than that, every adjective they use regarding Argentinians is pretty much a curse word.
@26 I think the Ghanaian judge should set up a time limit. He's dealing with a rogue country. He should give argieland 14 days to pay the US$20 million into the court. With an increase of US$1 million for every day of delay. Then the crew and cadets should be removed and deported. Just to be on the safe side, the vessel should probably be removed from the water. After all, when the auction starts, potential bidders will want to see, and test, the whole of the hull. I really hope that the Falklanders could come up with the money to buy it. Perhaps, if they don't plant it in the seabed, they could rename it HMFIS Self Determination!
The only negative impacts this has is on the credibility of Argentina, C24 and similar chattering bodies, but if that's going to be their hobbyhorse then so be it.
business.peacefmonline.com/news/201210/139653.php
blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2012/10/11/ghana-that-ships-going-nowhere-for-now/#axzz290TQWXgx
www.ghananewsagency.org/details/Social/Court-dismisses-motion-to-release-Argentine-navy-ship/?ci=4&ai=50465
What you want is of no consequence.
An authoritarian-influenced viewpoint is less evolved. Noone disputes this. It doesn't consider the rights of an 'other', like the ecosystem.
I've noticed there's no one here yet with a pro-Malvinas stance that has mentioned their APPRECIATION of the rockhoppers, INDIGENOUS beings.
Are there more-evolved Argentines that aren't posting here? Yes :)
www.centives.net/S/2012/territorial-disputes/
www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2216119/The-future-Falklands-lies-tourism-says-governor.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Reading the Argentine submission was like dejavue.
Tell them any old bollocks, they are only Ghanaians, they won't understand it.
AG STILL cannot get it that they are the pariahs of the world and NOBODY (except, allegedly, some LatAms) wants anything to do with them.
TMBOA is going to scweem and scweem over this.
My congratulations and admiration to the court for withstanding the AG pressure.
It is a lesson ALL LatAm countries could learn, including Uruguay, at standing up to these arseholes.
Wait for the usual ‘the world has got it in for us’ wailing.
CFK has utterly failed to back up anything she has said or threatened.
All Argentina has done for decades is talk the talk,
She even tries to pass the responsibly onto other South America nations.
Because she has no balls or legal claim to back it up,
She will try every trick in the book to get them, even pushing her allies into conflict, just to get her way.
But at the end of the day,
Unless you are willing to back it up, you are nothing but all mouth and trousers.
So back it up,
Or keep hiding being the south America skirts.
White skirts at that .lolol.
.
Canada a colony of England? You are only confirming our belief that you are an idiot Dany.
You know, actually, I'd be in favor of Argentina's claim over the Falkland's and their piece of Antarctica........except for one massive problem: they can't properly govern ANYTHING. Letting them have that island and territory would be a WASTE! And there are simply too many people, and not enough resources on this planet, to go wasting such an island and Antarctic territory.
You are a waste of life and still you walk around spreading crap, making it a contest between your arse and your mouth...
Don't worry Argies, you'll have money some day too..........nah, jk, you'll clearly always be poor, forever. Worst governed nation in the world. Soon to be North Korea the 2nd.
According to your own stats, US and Europe are going down while all SA is going up :)
We both know this is the market moving to China and China buying resources from SA (and actually paying for them, imagine that). Your part is done. Enjoy the rests, there's plenty of it, no need to cry :)
we thinks he is CFK in costume.
still,
no argies no converso...
China's about to be destabilized by USA on purpose (and by China itself), Guzz, just watch ;)
And no, you know nothing of economics. China's manufacturing and exports are both in contraction, China's official figures themselves show this, they fully admit it. They've begun spending all their reserves to create domestic “growth”. They're in trouble, and their global expansion is over.
Argentina is no friend of China's, Sinopec is considering pulling out of Argentina altogether. Argentina has NO friends in the entire world, except Chavez and Castro.
Don't flatter yourself, I learned english by mistake, and the only way I find it useful, is for conversations with limited, monolingual sorry arses, noone mentioned.
You can bla bla all you want about China, fact is it's on it's way up, and you are on your way down, and that, my friend, is hilarious :)
As for the rest, I don't really care :)
lol, pirate hunter
UK doesn't WANT “theft” of the Islands.......they already have the islands, its you and Argentina that's jealous.
!!!!!!!!!Well you'll certainly be poor in wealth! That's an Argie lifelong fact!!!!!!
And judging by how you spend your time on here ranting about how the entire world is against you and UK has stolen from you, I'd say you're also poor in spirit ;)
Argentina didn't LOSE money when it dropped from being one of the top ten incomes in the world.
It just didn't GROW.
Hadn't done the thing of going from ag to manufacturing to tech to an ip economy.
www.fihplc.com/index.php?section=0
Last time I checked Fakland islands holding is still a corporate. Since 1852 when Canada was as them a british colony, and it wasn't a country then as it's not a country now, it still is a british firm with support from a british colony and still british subjects.
Go home bunch of illegal aliens.
I agree that british can determine if they will stay in Islas Malvinas Argentina or go back to UK, but if they are going to stay they will have to meet Argentine laws as we all have papers in America even Mexicans apply for visas or get treated like animals, I don't think Argentina's demands is too much we cant have this Brits exploit, destroy or pollute the whole damn planet. Pirate land grabs ended last century unless we are all going to start a new land grab wave as the one going on in the middle east with the UK, USA and Canada raping and murdering thousands of innocent Muslim women and children for oil all over Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iraq, Libya and Syria and now with the incriminating evidence mounting against south Arabia the emirates and Qatar, seems like Iran can wait another decade while we disseminate and confiscate the wealth of a few other Muslims. CIA is right on it.
m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?feature=plpp&v=0C81kjERFM8
”Canada openly dissented with the inclusion of the paragraph arguing that it is a “bilateral issue” and underlined that the “population of the Falkland Islands have the right to determine their own future”.
ThanKs Canada!
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/taliban-poison-school-girls-afghanistan_n_1573325.html
“Pirate land grabs ended last century”
Apparently not, Argentinian pirates are still trying to grab land but the problem is the UK has anti-pirate forces ready to make Argentina walk the plank.
#51 thanks for the link, but do you think USA or UK cares about Muslim Children?.......
m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?feature=plpp&v=0C81kjERFM8
This is an English language forum. Putting words like 'britard' , 'muslim', 'British colony' and ''illegal alien' in random combinations and repeating them until your head explodes is not the same thing as writing English.
-->yeah, you'll catch us in about 200 years at this pace.
41@The only reason Argentina isn't attacking Falklands again and its neighbors, or other countries, is because they don't have what it takes to do it.
They are not peaceful people. They just don't have a army.
STILl NO RG FLAG FLYING OVER THE FALKLANDS!
What is the strategy?????
200 years of joy, you say. I'll take that :)))
No British government is going to hand them over to you, and no international body can force them to do so! That my friend is fact!
So, please enjoy your fantasy in the knowledge that you or your flea circus governments (plural as none of your governments have managed to quench the malvinistas thirst) have no winning strategy!
And you fail to see that should the Islanders choose to be British, all we in SA have to do is to wait until UK goes down the drain :)))
The Falklanders DO choose to be British! And that my friend YOU, or your Hispanic ( i use that word to remind you of your countries origins) cousins can not change, unless you want to subjugate them, which in turn means that you will show yourselves to be the hypocritical, greedy, jealous, desperate, malvinists that you are!
Besides, your flea circus government can't even manage your own country! after all the years being independent, and with that land and resource you have, youre still a mess! Why would you want to be so spiteful as to impliment the same goverence on a community who have managed to do quite well, and live a generally peaceful and happy life? Now that is not only un-christian ( if you are a believer), but also illustrates your greed, jealous, and unsympathetic for your fellow man!
I'm an atheist, so shovel your god up the very same drain you are going down in, and for the record, you lot are NOT my fellow men. You are a historic piece of garbage, useful only to kill women and children. I spit on you
Yea, Brazil's total GDP has just passed Britain's, but their gdp per capita is still horrendous, and UK has DECADES of military tech, infrastructure, etc ahead of Brazil still.
Brazil's not Argentina's friend anyway, Argentina doesn't have any friends, except Chavez and Castro. Brazil's just nodding its head at Cristina's rageramblings to keep the status quo, not hurt trade. Brazil knows Cristina won't last, ask ANY Brazilian, they all joke about Arg economy now.
Long live the Falklanders!!
For the record, i am not a God fearing man! but you may have been!
For the record, if you shove god up the same drain you believe britain is going down, you will block the drain (because if god exists, i guess he is really really big), so we wont be going down it....right?
For the record you ARE my fellow man, unless you are not a man or woman!! Are you just a well trained Chimp???
For the record, i believe you dont have a bite worth worrying about, although you do yap-on alot!!
Bring it on......oh but you cant can you? Still no RG flag flying over the Falklands, and still no strategy!!
2011
1-US $15.09 trillion
2-China $7.298 trillion
3-Japan $5.869 trillion
4-Germany $3.577 trillion
5-France $2.776 trillion
6-Brazil $2.493 trillion
7-UK $2.418 trillion
And falling...
Dear Guzz, my gosh you are getting rabid recently, be careful you don't end up in troll meltdown misery like some of your colleagues.
Why not take it easy for a bit, and then get back to us when we find ourselves forced to send a clutch of Deputy Ministers to plead for the release of our naval flagship form a much poorer country which nonetheless honours its debts and respects the law?
Well spoken Guzz, Your summary of Argentine ethics exposed again.
“Nah Brit, as soon as you are weak enough we'll do a house of pain”
So. you admit that you can only attack a much weaker country - as 3000 Falklanders. It just goes to prove what a bunch of craven cowards you represent - you can't fight someone who may hit you back.
The morals of a bankrupt slimy society.
when you fail, we will pick up the mantle and carry on.
Quite why he is getting this delusional can only be because his personal life is in the toilet and he is lashing out at the Brits as we must be to blame. Perhaps his latest training session did not go well.
Why he does not move to AG is beyond me as he clearly prefers the dregs of humanity to the lovely people of Uruguay.
No doubt he will fall on me like a tonne of bricks, but heh, what's new?
“spewing their ignorance in here, ”
They at least can reference history properly where you just spew out Argentine propaganda (evolved from Peron who got his from Uncle Adolf Hitler and Uncle Benito Mussolini), and you have never countered the Brits argument when they disprove the 'transplanted' lie, the 'Rg civilians kicked off in 1833 'lie, the 'resistance to the British reclaiming their territory' lie.etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.etc.etc..........
Because you cannot carry the argument further it makes YOU ignorant and shows your one brain cell's inability to operate when presented with reference to actual records from 1833.
Therefore you are the tard, UNTIL , bonehead, you can produce documentary evidence that disproves the argument from the Brits.
Would you care to show us where Argentina is on this list ?
I've said it before too. I don't think Guzz really is Uruguayan. Maybe he's Argie descent living in Uruguay, but I kind of even doubt that. He's either fully Argie pretending to be Uruguayo, or he's just a stain and a disgrace to Uruguay.
Argentina tendra sus errores, y los resolvemos con ellos.
As for “AG resolving the mistakes that they will have” that is just infantile!
First of all to resolve any mistake they have to admit to making a mistake and the next one AG admits to will be their first! Did you not realize your chosen people are perfect in every way? And TMBOA is going for sainthood?
BTW, this site uses English, so I have reported you. Don't go blaming anyone else.
“You lot claim to be thinking humans and I haven't seen a single proof of that being true. ”
So my fairly simple and clear logic illustrating u as a nasty selfish monkey, dows not count as thinking?
BTW i still dont hear your strategy and still dont see the world uniting behind u? Can u explain?
Told you I gave you the benefit of the doubt...
SA needs no strategy to get rid of Brits, we only need to wait until your market has dealt with you...
Or more likely until Hell freezes
What are we denying? Maybe we will have a military dictatorship foisted upon us, then they will have to look for an external enemy to blame for all our woes. Who could that be, someone quite far away.
Hey, how about Argentina,they blamed a country 8000 miles away for all their troubles. They tried it tried kicking a defenseless little island belonging to us. without success.
We are much better at war than them, lets go and knock the crap out of them. It may not solve anything but it might make us feel good !
Any more bright suggestions o wise one ?
“only need to wait until your market has dealt with you...”
Markets, which the tiny Falkland Islands understand better than massive Argentina does.
Do yourself a favour Argentina-employ the FIG as consultants to run your economy then you will be as succesful as you were pre-1940s when that prat Peron got his stupid ideas from Uncle Adolf.
Nice one-Sante Fe-lol.
You see guzz runninga business!!!
Board meeting:
Guzz: morning everyone, so whats on the agenda today
CFO: I think we should talk about P&L as it hasnt been looking for for 200hundred years!
Guzz: Hmmm ....what we need is stragtegy, any ideas/
Marketing: How about we just sit and wait, till our compitition gets into more trouble than us?
Guzz: Brilliant!! I fully endorse this strategy! PAy rises to all board memebers
“Do yourself a favour Argentina-employ the FIG as consultants to run your economy then you will be as succesful as you were pre-1940s”
Yeah! sure with the Islanders as consultants sure Argentina will go back to 1940, do you also guarantee that all people in Argentina will get a house shantytown pre fab style like the Islanders?
Where do I have to sign?
Oct 14th, 2012 - 09:27 am
Dany, we already getting “a house shantytown pre fab style” through the “planes de viviendas”, so what's your problem???????
“Dany, we already getting “a house shantytown pre fab style” through the “planes de viviendas”, so what's your problem???????”
We??
And what is yours?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVE7tkD0pN0
Its not enough we pay for your pension that also “we” have to pay for your house too?
have you ever thought about working or are you planning to get all from “We” hard working people called taxpayers?
What's the % of GDP Argentina spends on it's education?
What creditors have the FIG not paid off?
Argentina can't get international oil investors despite having far more reserves that the Falkland Islanders, yet FIG can.
You don't need FIG as consultants on building, Argentina has many fine buildings.
But economically, Argentina couldn't run a piss up in a brewery, and the FIG despite limited resources (so far) operates at a surplus (ie they don't owe lots of money, instead they pay for everything they neeed and have a surplus-it's called financial planning).
However, Argentina is not obliged to pay the FIG as consultants, it can continue on its merry way getting its assets impounded (a ship called Liberty having lost its Liberty) fail to get development investment and generally being incompetent at handling money-as the Falkland islanders are increasing their wealth not (like Argentina) heading down the gurgler.
Oct 14th, 2012 - 08:19 pm
I have already worked for 40 years, Dany, and I already paid for and built my own house, without even getting a mortgage from the Banco Hipotecario, so shut the f**k up, tarado. I also work as a volunteer for the emergency service I worked for before retirement, so I repeat shut the f**k pedazo de pelotudo!!!!!
Don't fret yourself over Dunni-Burger, he is not worth it and just cannot help himself.
You on the other hand continue to help others - something he will never do. :o)
miente....miente....y miente!
Well to be honest I don’t consider warming up a chair with a rubberstamp in your hand and stamping at 1 hour rate papers to be a “work” is not what people use to call a “gnocchi” in Argentina?
And if that it is not enough you are living now on a “plan descansar for Oldies” giving by Cristina?
Oct 16th, 2012 - 07:47 am
No sir, everything I've got I earned with hard work and everything I do allows more people to go into the field to help more people. So Dany you, as usual, are talking absolute rot!!!!!!!!
same UK WIMP!
So Simon can you enlighten us about that honorable job you have done for some government in a province that you have never mentioned?
Don't lie to me please?
The two don't follow, Cristina herself as a peaceful democratic leftist is against a junta style invasion
SHE may be, but are the rest of her ministers ?
Absolutely nothing, just prepare another retaking expedition and I guess that they are not going to be so lucky this time.
The Argies will send the most violent butchers that will kill their mother for fun so imagine what they will do with the retarded Islanders and the retarded english from the countryside.
Ha ha the Brits don't have a clue about how nasty some argies can be I guess they will find next time...
The stupid Gurkas will get raped day and night for the nasty argies, I wouldn't liketo be in their position...
Poor Britons no carrier, no planes, no brave soldiers, no money no hope no country. Just an Islands invade by people from the middle east and Africa.
I will commit suicide if I would be you...
Para 1
Wipe them out en masse before they were half way There's not a thing you could do about it. Retaking position not required.
Para 2
See above.
Para 3
We know from these forums how nasty and tough THEY TALK.
Para 4
That is such a stupid remark it is almost laughable.
Remember the last time the Ghurkas were deployed, your junta complained to the UN because they were shit scared - rightly so.
The Ghurkas hardly met your troops before they legged it back to Stanley. They Ghurkas were highly miffed. They did not get a chance to lop a few Argie heads off with their Kukris.
Para 5
Carrier not required as yet.
If we have no planes, why are your lot so scared to come into Falkland's waters ? Your navy is a joke. The “plenty sinko” could not leave port - flagship seized in Ghana, another vessel stuck in South Africa ! I could go on and on. To paraphrase you
Poor Argies ,no carrier, no planes,certainly no brave soldiers, no money no hope no country. Just a colonial country laughed at by the rest of the world.
Come to the Falklands and we will help YOU commit suicide.
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