Monday, October 15th 2012 - 07:39 UTC

Gibraltar condemns Spanish policy of deliberate delays at the border crossing

The Gibraltar Government strongly condemned the lengthy and deliberate delays to cross the frontier into Spain which have been experienced by Gibraltarians and visitors to Gibraltar. Chief Minister Fabian Picardo, currently in London has already been in touch with the UK Government and urged them to take up the matter with Spain at the highest level

The crossing from 150 to 300 cars every half hour on Sunday was down to a trickle of 30 to 60 an hour

“The frontier with Spain has not operated normally since the day it opened and the Spanish Government has often used it a means of applying political pressure on Gibraltar. It will be recalled that the situation deteriorated to such a degree few years ago that a dedicated frontier complaints office was opened,” No 6 said this evening.

The traffic flow has been particularly bad on Sunday, with cars at times taking more than five hours to cross into Spain. Gibraltar argues that the usual average number of cars crossing into Spain is from 150 to 300 every half an hour. The average number of cars crossing into Spain on Sunday was between 30 and 60 an hour.

“This shows that the delays are unrelated to volume of traffic”.

The Gibraltar Government, in a humanitarian gesture towards those stuck in the queue, distributed over 1700 bottles of water and, in addition to this, two small water tankers supplied water at the Eastern Beach roundabout and then at the frontier.

Gibraltar considers that the delays are an affront to the principle of freedom of movement of EU nationals through an EU frontier. The checks being conducted by the Spanish authorities are excessive and disproportionate with no regard for the need to operate a red and green channel.

As reported earlier Chief Minister Fabian Picardo, who is in London, has already been in touch with the UK Government and urged them to take up the matter with Spain at the highest level. He will take the opportunity afforded by Gibraltar Day to make the point to a distinguished audience.

The Deputy Chief Minister Dr Joseph Garcia, who is Acting Chief Minister in Mr Picardo's absence, has himself contacted Parliamentarians in the House of Commons, the House of Lords and the European Parliament. This will continue and will be extended.

“The attempt to use the frontier as a political weapon against Gibraltar has not worked in the past and it will not work now. The action taken by Spain is unfriendly, un-neighbourly and un-European and the Gibraltar Government will expose this in whatever forum is available to us”, said Acting Chief Minister Garcia.
 

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1 Idlehands (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 09:57 am Report abuse
I can't see what Spain hopes to gain from this behaviour. It looks similar to the type of revenge one used to glean in the primary school playground when somebody not approved kicks your ball.
2 brucey-babe (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 09:58 am Report abuse
Hispanics again !
3 Clyde15 (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:30 am Report abuse
Another failing economy. What can they do. Copy Argentina's vendetta against the Falklands. Obviously it must be Gibraltar's fault - at least it MAY take the heat off the main problem.

It seems to be a peculiar Hispanic solution.
4 Conqueror (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
Like argieland, Spain hasn't figured out how to be a democratic country yet. Look at Catalonia. In the UK, a dopey Scotsman with delusions of grandeur wants Scotland to be independent. The list of things he hasn't thought of or ignores is unending. And yet he has a following. Because around 28% of the Scots rednecks don't have the brain to ask questions and demand answers. Spain is similar. Hundreds of years of autocracy. Followed by years of dictatorship. And the place can still be whipped into nationalistic fervour by mentioning a tiny little independent place. Why don't they leap out of their prams if Andorra is mentioned? Because on the other side of the border is big, bad France? Difficulty is that France is very nearly as bad as they are. The only way to deal with these people is a very large stick. In the case of Gibraltar, remilitarise the place. Deploy a couple of frigates to home-port there. Post an Army Air Corps squadron with Apache gunships. Double the size of the Royal Gibraltar Regiment and re-introduce the artillery role with long-range artillery and missile batteries. Remind the Spanish that a country's territorial waters used to consist of those that a cannonball could hit. In the Falklands, increase the land forces to Division strength, i.e. between 10,000 and 30,000 troops. Increase the air component to a full squadron of Typhoons. Increase the naval component to 4 patrol vessels and replace the current deployment from the UK so that a destroyer AND a frigate are on-station at all times. Let aviation and naval forces patrol AGGRESSIVELY with enemy air and sea assets being warned to leave the area or be fired on without a second warning. Don't take crap from latinos!
5 Bongo (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:23 pm Report abuse
Conqueror,

The current deployment in the Falklands is more than adequate to deal with any threat Argentina might pose. Sending more armed forces would be like using a fire engine to put out a match.
6 gustbury (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
3 Clyde15 (#)-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH bECAUSE UK ECONOMY IS OK !! RIGHT' HAHAHAHAH SILLY!!!
7 briton (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
Perhaps Gibraltar should just close the gates,
And make people go round,

inconvenience perhaps,

But a disaster for Spain.

[Try it] you have nothing to lose , yet...
8 gustbury (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
HEY cONQUEROR? Who writes your librettos ? is a genius !!
Those scripts seem so real!!
9 briton (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
nothing wrong with the UK ,

just its leaders.
10 gustbury (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
Hey rosy cheeks conqueror you were counselor Hittler war ?right? You should invest your time in learning Castilian lenguage.!
11 Idlehands (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:24 pm Report abuse
Conqueror - you do realise you sound as daft as Guzz et al don't you?
12 ChrisR (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
10 guts-bury

Why would anyone dealing with LatAms like you, want to learn Castilian Spanish?

I soon learnt that was of no use when I came to Uruguay. Even the Uruguayo who go to Madrid have to admit they were not understood.

And AG is more vernacular than Uruguay. I am learning espanol (UYU) and have to learn that the AGs don't use it!

LOL
13 Conqueror (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:58 pm Report abuse
@5 Really? At which point did you become a military expert? You should read this: www.naval-history.net/NAVAL1982FALKLANDS.htm and then think. I refer you particularly to Part 7.
@8 & 10 Turds for brains!
@11 I refer you to my remarks to Bongo. Do you know how may Spanish incursions there have been into BGTW in the last year and for which London has protested to Madrid? Do you know how many Gibraltarian lives have been placed at risk by the irresponsible actions of Spaniards who have been told by their government that Gibraltar has no territorial waters? These activities have included such actions as Spanish government vessels interfering with commercial vessels in BGTW, pointing weapons at Gibraltarian vessels inside BGTW, “detaining” Gibraltarian vessels in BGTW and forcing them to Algeciras and keeping them there for hours, interfering with Gibraltar law enforcement. And, on the “private” level, operating high-speed watercraft within yards of Gibraltar's shores at great risk to bathers, swimmers and the like. How would Falklanders like it if argie naval vessels sailed to within 100 yards of the shores of the Falkland Islands? So you, as well as Bongo, need to think. If you've got some valid point to make, make it. Otherwise, you're just making noise! Incidentally, I make the point that the Government of Gibraltar has asked the British government to respond “robustly”.
14 briton (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
Spain is just looking for a distration,

camaron does not want a distraction,
or his military cuts would fall apart,
gibralterians just need to [how we say]
givem all a nudge .
15 J.A. Roberts (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
@Conqueror. I wouldn't bother increasing the presence on Gibraltar. The “sloppies” fight in their flip-flops. A bunch of old women with wooden spoons could take them on and win...

politica.elpais.com/politica/2012/08/29/actualidad/1346229871_611962.html
16 briton (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
Kinda makes the spannish, two faced does it not.

and the EU is just as guilty, by allowing the spannish to abuse EU law and agreements to abuse the gibratariens,

after all it might upset the apple cart , and their dream of a federalist European nation.
just a thought.

still,
watch the sparks fly when we pull out..
17 pgerman (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
I have always read in this forum that the attitude of Spain to Gibraltar is an example of maturity and pragmatism that should be copied by Argentina.

Now it seems that the situation is changing .. it would be good for the Gibraltar authorities to ask for assistance to the FI to minimize the impact of a government blockade from their neighbors.
18 JustinKuntz (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plazas_de_soberan%C3%ADa

Hypocrisy?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mart%C3%ADn_Garc%C3%ADa_Island

Seems to be endemic
19 Bongo (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
Conqueror,

So you don't believe the current deployment in the Falklands is adequate to counter the terrible threat Argentina obviously poses?

Funny, I seem to remember the commander at Mt. Pleasant saying on TV that he thought his forces were up to the job.

Maybe you know more than he does.

As for Gibraltar, do the Spanish think delaying cross-border traffic is going to force the British into handing over the territory?
20 Idlehands (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
I don't think Conqueror has any sense of diplomacy, budgetary responsibility or proportionality.

Where is the army supposed to pluck a division from for a start - and what use is artillery on Gibraltar? Are we going to declare war on Spain?
21 malen (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:02 pm Report abuse
Spain has always problems with the traffic, so i understand them well.
If it bothers you so muchhhhhhhh, just UK should be sending flights many flights to London. Or perhaps pay more taxes when entering in Spain so they will do quick. If nothing of this is a solution, send all gibraltarians to UK and dont bother.
22 briton (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
19//20
only a fool underestermates his enemie.

malen
go back to your silly shell.
you losers complain to much.
23 Clyde15 (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
#6
)-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH bECAUSE ARGENTINE ECONOMY IS OK !! RIGHT' HAHAHAHAH STUPIDO!!!
24 briton (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
is 6 susan.

we say poss,
25 malen (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
what a lovely ambassadorrrrrrrrrrr
www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=658645
Is it yours???? Nice curls. Silly comments.
26 briton (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
malen you spend all day searching for anti British crap,
Yet enslave your own people,

Two faces has nothing on you lot,

May we suggest you ask CFK or your trolling supervisor for a different script.

[sticks and stones]
27 malen (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
sorry, is it in all argie newspaperssssssssssssssss
things that happen.
28 briton (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
newspapers are there to sell papers,

after all, no one reads boring news,
so one should not always belive what you read in the papers.
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29 malen (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
I do believe in newspapers, because your ambassador wrote it on a tweet, and the newspapers copy it.
30 briton (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
never had a tweet,
but one hears a lot of wishfull mistakes on them.
31 Ayayay (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
Wouldn't Argentines love to cross a border that has 5 hours being the longest wait time ever?
32 slattzzz (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
Cheap news I'm sure the Spaniards that work in Gib (and there are a lot) are well impressed and vice versa, a lot of tourists visit Gib and cross the border to Spain to have a look see so I guess Spain are just denying themselves much needed tourist revenue. Gib is very well off and laughing as we speak. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, sound familiar rg trolls
33 Conqueror (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
@19 You are amazingly complacent. I assume that means that you aren't on the Falklands. The commanding officer of the Gibraltar Squadron says the same thing. Let me ask you to describe how a 24 tonne vessel such as HMS Scimitar combats a 1200 tonne Serviola-class patrol boat? The Serviola-class is a little slower. But if Scimitar gets under its bow, it's matchwood. I assume that you don't follow news from Gibraltar. I do. Stuff the cross-border delays, that's just an irritation. What happens in BGTW is more important.
@20 Diplomacy? What sort of brainless, ignorant twerp are you? At last count, 48 unwarranted invasions of BGTW this year! Plus illegal incursions by Spanish fishermen and criminals. Sorry, all Spaniards are criminals. As are all argies. As well as being scum. Budgetary responsibility? Here's budgetary responsibility, you budgerigar. Watch the Spanish back off from a real British military presence. And the promise that it can all return in 48 hours. Plus the same sort of actions by British forces as the Spaniards undertake. Proportionality? Were I in charge Rota naval base would be a smoking ruin. As for artillery? See if you can get up the brain to research the original concept of “territorial waters”. It was those waters that could be commanded by shore batteries. Does your “knowledge” go back far enough to recognise that “appeasement” doesn't work? Or have you not got that far in junior school yet? Look up Singapore. Massive defences. All pointing seaward. No use when the Japanese attacked from the Malay Peninsula, were they? I am convinced that you and Bongo are about 12 years old. Try to get this through your thick skulls. Argieland and Spain are ENEMIES. Therefore, smile, shake hands and don't turn your back. For now, don't waste my time again until you can manage intelligent comment!
@21 Probably won't be a problem after British tanks have cleared the peninsula of foreigners.
@27 & 29 argie newspapers? argie toilet paper. Covered in shit!
34 slattzzz (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
By the way rg trolls Spain fooking hates you
35 ProRG_American (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
Spain, please just roll in with your tanks and evict those English Wannabees.
36 aussie sunshine (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
why do the Gibs want to drive into Spain ????
Is it because they are driving to their villas in Spain? and escaping from that rat hole called Gibraltar. Or is it because they are driving into Spain to buy cheap fuel for their cars? or is it that they are driving into Spain to buy cheap goods and services? or is that they are driving to see a good flamenco show and good food?? (and get away from that boringGibraltar) or is because they are seeking good medical care on the Spanish side??

no wonder they are willing to line up for hours...so would I!!!
37 briton (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
35 ProRG_American (#)
Spain, please just roll in with your tanks and evict those English Wannabees

we see you play computer games,

ever tried rolling tanks across a narrow open space,

yep you are the computer maniac.
38 J.A. Roberts (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 07:37 am Report abuse
Erm, aussie sunshine, if you had taken the time to read any of the reports in the Spanish press, you'd know by now that the vast majority of those caught up in the queues at the Gib frontier are... Spanish.

So what if some Gibraltarians own villas in Spain. Most of the property along the CDS is owned by foreigners - and Spain should be bloody grateful of the investment in their country, particularly from people with currencies other than the Euro.

Fuel is much cheaper in Gibraltar than Spain. I filled my car up there the other day and it cost a shade under £60. In Spain to fill the same car now costs nearly €90.

Cheap goods and services in Spain? It depends on which goods and services you talk about, but on the whole most things are cheaper in Gibraltar. And every time a Gibraltarian buys something in Spain, do you think they get the 21% IVA back? I don't think so... Talk about keeping the Spanish economy afloat, not to mention all the EU money - Spain was not due to become a net contributor to the EU budget until 2013 according to the last budget, now with the bailouts etc it never will. And guess who will be picking up the bill?

Good flamenco and good food? See above re villas. The Spanish people selling those “services” should be bloodly thankful of the custom in times like these. Esp since it brings foreign currency £££ into the country.

Medical care in Spain for Gibraltarians is fully paid for by the Gibraltar government. Which is more than can be said for the many millions of Spaniards cheating their own system, working for black money while claiming the paro at the same time.

Without Gibraltar the Campo would be f**cked!
39 aussie sunshine (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
*38 Let me see I checked the cost of living on some products from both countries.

potatoes per kilo spain 0.80 pounds Gib 1.25
oranges 1.20 1.75
beer 1.20 2.00
apples 1.50 2.00
loaf of white bread 500kg .90 1.90
combo meat burger
mcdonalds 6.50 7.48

This is only a small example. source www numbeo.com

I would stand in line to if I lived in Gib with these prices.

cheers
40 J.A. Roberts (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
Anyone can edit Numbeo Aussie sunshine. I'd hardly call it an accurate or even independent website, and like I said, it depends on the goods or services. There are lots of things which are MUCH cheaper in Gibraltar (see my comment above re fuel), just one example. Electrical goods another. And don't forget that Gib salaries are much higher than Spanish ones so it would be more accurate to show the cost of those items as a % of income. Much lower in Gibraltar than Spain, even for the things which are more expensive in Gibraltar in absolute terms.

I've never heard of a 500kg loaf of bread btw...
41 aussie sunshine (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
*40 I agree with you on the Gib salaries JA Roberts.By the way are goods easily imported from Spain? or is there red tape involved?

cheers.
42 briton (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
come now, gentlemen,
gibralter is british.look

GIBRALTAR WILL REMAIN BRITISH, CO-OPERATION IS THE FUTURE – PICARDO DECLARES AT GIBRALTAR DAY
BRITISH AND PROUD
www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=26355
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The Rock’s rockin’ with warships as Cougar task force visits Gibraltar
16/10/2012
Gibraltar Harbour bristled with battleship as four of the six ships assigned to the Royal Navy’s
www.royalnavy.mod.uk/News-and-Events/Latest-News/2012/October/16/121016-Cougar-Gibraltar
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'UK forces in Israeli / US exercise'
British forces are to take part in a large air and defence exercise between Israel and the US as tensions over Iran’s nuclear programme continue.
www.bfbs.com/news/uk-forces-israeli-us-exercise-61165.html
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anyone wishes to disagree on this point..
43 Santa Fe (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
Good news that the gib regiment is expanding its role and won't be cut
44 malen (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
Perhaps you dont understand, that you cant say other countries what they have to do becuase you want things like that, perhaps other countries doesnt want to cooperate with you, and its also a good and reasonable position you will have to accept. You are and never were, the good boys in this history, so its perfectly understable the situation.
Try to use more links with UK, use more your planes, spend more money in a land you wanted to be british. Its not problem of Spain.
45 Clyde15 (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
#44
You may not have noticed that the UK/Spain are members of the EU and NATO. The UK is duty bound to assist Spain in any external threat to the country. As a member of the EU and a net contributor to the EU budget, UK has been obliged to pay for improvements to Spanish infrastructure from our tax revenues.
We import more from Spain than we export. More Spanish fishing boats fish in UK waters than UK boats. Large numbers of Spanish youth come to the UK seeking work and we have to pay unemployment benefits to them.
Large numbers of UK citizens have retired to Spain and boosted their property and services market.
Spain does rather well from the UK without starting this nonsense again. Each time this happens, there seems to be s crisis in their country.
Now where else could I use as a model for comparison ?.
46 malen (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
You can be members of the same club, but you dont have to be friends.
I dont think they share much things with you in all aspects.
And traffic is always terrible in frontiers.
A pity you are always crying when you cant do thinks the only way: the way YOU like. What do you offer them?? Nothing. And on the contrary stack on not talking about sovereignity. So. Spain can also stack on other things. If it bothers, a pity.
47 briton (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 11:44 pm Report abuse
46
you are just confusing.
listen please.

45 is correct.
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48 J.A. Roberts (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 11:42 am Report abuse
@Aussie sunshine 44. Very easy to do. Both part of the EU. There is a small amount of red tape relating to import duties, as Gibraltar is not part of the customs union.
49 briton (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
spain could close her side of the gates,

why not we wonder,

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