Wednesday, November 7th 2012 - 21:46 UTC

Argentine takes to the streets on Thursday to protest against Cristina Fernandez

Argentine pro and anti-government officials, politicians and lawmakers took to the nation’s radio stations to speak out on Thursday’s planned 8-N anti-government pot-banging protest, highlighting issues of class and ethics, but denying that the measure could be comparable to the magnitude of protests that took place in 2001.

Sharp tongued Senator Fernandez blames says the protest will bring together reactionary “ultra-right factions”

The November 8 protest entitled ‘8-N’ is planned to take place in Buenos Aires City and in the main cities across Argentina, in protest against the President Cristina Fernández’ administration.

Ruling coalition (Victory Front) Senator Aníbal Fernández, who spoke on Monday dismissing the action as the “ultra right-wing factions in defence of Clarín media group’s interests,” commented again that “while there are people who are going to protest tomorrow because of things they don’t like, most of them are brought together by the fact that have direct backing by the extreme right.”

Furthermore, the Victory Front lawmaker had no difficulty adding names to faces, linking the protests directly to ”la Fundación Pensar (run by City Mayor Mauricio Macri) and la Sociedad Rural (Farmers’ lobby)” organizations, amongst others, that have “put together money and created false profiles on social media.”

Opposition Radical party (UCR) lawmaker María Luisa Storani however challenged the claims of ultra-right wing factions planning the strike and took away from it being an issue pinned to one class.

“The worst thing to be done is for a class division to be made. They’re saying it’s a right-wing demonstration and it’s not. The 8-N is a democratic event,” Storani said.

Lawmaker for the centre-right PRO party Federico Pinedo said that “the middle class in Argentina makes up less than 30% of the total population. Brushing the topic aside as if it were nothing is not an option.”

In addition, the opposition lawmaker said that “Taking a class approach is a mistake, because precisely what the people are demanding is that on Thursday they are listened to.”

The last major anti-government protest to take over Argentina’s largest cities took place on September 13 (13-S) and involved tens of thousands of people, making it the biggest anti-government demonstration to date since the farming dispute in 2008.

Even when 8N has the support of opposition parties and unions, the protest has been mostly organized by common citizens through the social networks and most probably politicians won’t show up at the demonstration or will mark a very low profile.
 

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1 ElaineB (#) Nov 07th, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
CFKC is VERY rich and VERY right-wing, so to accuse the protesters of being both is pretty stupid. Maximo and his thugs need to find a new angle.
2 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 07th, 2012 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
Pots and pans at the ready!

Please can someone tell me? Do you have special protest pans? Or do you take an old one off the stove? Or do the organisers provide them when you get there?

Please please can someone tell me. This kitchen implement orchestra has me intrigued! I wish one of the 3 of you would explain it.

Chuckle chuckle.
3 ptolemy (#) Nov 07th, 2012 - 10:37 pm Report abuse
@2
Why sure Joe Bloggs. You need special and personal instruction by Moreno.
4 Idlehands (#) Nov 07th, 2012 - 10:37 pm Report abuse
CFK will be ok. Someone will just start waving an Argentine flag that's cut into the shape of the Falklands and the plebeians will all step back into line.
5 ElaineB (#) Nov 07th, 2012 - 11:06 pm Report abuse
@4 I don't think it is her 'poor' demographic protesting.

It will be interesting to see how Maximo's band of thugs operates on the night.
6 Pirate Love (#) Nov 07th, 2012 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
Oh what Joy! Yet another ever so regular unmistakeable racket of pot clanging a true sound of overwelming public happiness and obedience towards the mafioso regime, and a show of their unwavering love for the competent supreme highness and dear leader of the peoples front of the Argentine republic state.
7 briton (#) Nov 07th, 2012 - 11:17 pm Report abuse
They always play the poor injured party,

Lets face it,
CFK is slowly and rigidly sliding into oblivion.
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8 ptolemy (#) Nov 07th, 2012 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
@5
May be a showdown. La Campora has been very active of late.Of course there are other groups that are known for violent confrontation such as D'Elia and his thugs, and the communist party, who like to start fights but take instruction from someone. Could be lively.
9 Guzz (#) Nov 07th, 2012 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
Right-wing oligarchy caceroleando.... Who would have thought 20 years ago?

Bloody priceless :))))))))
10 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 12:14 am Report abuse
@9 Guzzano

“Right-wing oligarchy caceroleando.... Who would have thought 20 years ago?”

“Right wing”... sure !

That's your job, Guzzano, perpetuate the Big Lie.

CFK calls herself Socialist, but is really a Fascist. Wait until La Campora sends out the thugs.

The Nazi's called themselves National Socialists too. Seems they had the Hitler Youth as well...
11 ProRG_American (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 12:30 am Report abuse
It seems as if November 8 will be just another normal day in Buenos Aires. People exercising their Constitutional right to protest.
12 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 12:32 am Report abuse
Pro RG / Guzz

What about “8-N, I'm not going” counter campaign, and deployment of La Campora ??

Is there an Argentine Consulate in Alberta or British Columbia, Canada??
13 RomoLopez (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 01:21 am Report abuse
Un video sobre 8N www.youtube.com/watch?v=dduC5jEwwUQ&list=HL1352337627&feature=mh_lolz
14 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 03:19 am Report abuse
@13 Romo

Great video!!!

I liked the Libertad part, but I really thought it was funny when CFK extended her hand to shake and the fellow walked right by her !!

LOL
15 Guzz (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 05:43 am Report abuse
Mariposa
So a counter campaign isn't democratcal, you mean?
Stop crying, grab a pot and go make a fool out of yourself, I need a good laugh. Poor oligarchs :)))
16 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 06:13 am Report abuse
@15 Guzzano

The Troll wakens from its slumbers, and is very cranky.

The counter-campaign and its message is organised (and paid for) by the Peronist government.

In contrast, the protest is a grassroots event by the people.

“Stop crying, grab a pot and go make a fool out of yourself, I need a good laugh”

You seem very disdainful and dismissive of the plight of Argentinians.
17 willi1 (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 09:51 am Report abuse
Fernandez is one of the nazi “GOEBBELS” in the ck-government. A professional liar like all others under ck. They must defend their criminal programm to hold the arg people stupid about the real situation in the country.
Keep strong in pot-banging!
18 brucey-babe (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:02 am Report abuse
Anyone found after 7 pm. with a loaded saucepan will take flying lessons !
19 Hereman (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:11 am Report abuse
@ 14 Troy Tempest

I think you'll find 'that fellow' who ignored the proffered handshake was Barack Obama, you may have heard of him, he was just re-elected President of the USA for a second term yesterday!
20 Anbar (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:28 am Report abuse
“”“I think you'll find 'that fellow' who ignored the proffered handshake was Barack Obama, you may have heard of him, he was just re-elected President of the USA for a second term yesterday!”“”

Ouchiewower!

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I dont suppose somebody “neutral” (or at least capable of being so for 10 minutes) can give us plebians a rough breakdown of the various Argentine parties under discussion here.... it clearly isnt “Christina and Them” as it sounds like Argentinas biggest problem is not a lack of opposition but too much opposition too badly organised and too divided....???

Guzz even, if you can prevent frothing at the mouth for a few sentences? ;-)
21 We got your Fragata (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:39 am Report abuse
I really hope today is the beginning of the end for the disgusting garbage sewer rats that are Kretina and her band of subhuman garbage men and subhuman garbage women. I would love to see her dragged out by the hair and hung in the Plaza de Mayo.
This is what Kretina and her goons deserve:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOEwizw3TL4
22 Welsh Wizard (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:00 am Report abuse
@19

Maybe he didn't know who she was
23 JuanGabriel (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:22 am Report abuse
@13 she can get handshakes with other people no problem

bit.ly/yXQEdw
24 GALlamosa (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:50 am Report abuse
So what's old Anibal's problem - are people not allowed an opinion ??
25 Conqueror (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
@12 No need for alex to go so far. There's an argie embassy at 5001 Yonge Street, Suite 201, Toronto, Ontario, M2N 6P6. I wonder how a counter campaign is like? Dead silence?
@24 How can you say such a thing? Look at 11. “It seems as if November 8 will be just another normal day in Buenos Aires. People exercising their Constitutional right to protest.” I can't be bothered to look this up. Is a lamp post, a butcher's hook and a piano wire necklace another “Constitutional right”?
26 Welsh Wizard (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
@2

Some Le Creuset, others off the stove...
27 falklandlad (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
We seem to missing commentary from Mr Think. Always interesting, if not a tad intriguing to at times, to hear the views from Santa Cruz...
28 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
This is not limited to just Argentina, this is worldwide at RG embassies. Here is Sydney:

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2Z_M6BS295Q#!

Other countries to follow. This is so the world knows just how much the ARgentines loath CFK and want her out of office.
29 Simon68 (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
20 Anbar (#)
Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:28 am

I don't know if I can be considered “neutral” exactly, but very briefly the Argentine oppostition parties are:

FAP - Progressive socialists with a sensible approach to the global market (similar to Dilma Rouseff's socialism in Brasil).
UCR - Social democrats mainly very centred, but with both left and right wing subsets.
CC -ARI - Socialists with a sensible view of global market.
Several smaller groupings of left wing socialist/communist parties.
PRO - Right of centre conservatives, actually running the City of Buenos Aires Government.
Peronismo Federal - Traditional peronism, from centre right to far right.

As you can see the opposition is very fragmented. The main problem being that the leaders of these “parties” are more interested in being protagonists in the political scene than actually doing anything to improve the lot of the Argentine people. This has been a failure of the Argentine political class since the 1930's when it became a way to make money instead of a way to serve the people.
30 Nido de Aguіlas (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
The word “oligarchy” is much used in this context, but really it is outdated. Out grandfathers might have belonged to an oligarchy that was more rigid, exclusive and not meritocratic , but today it is a different world.

What we have now is a global elite with regional chapters. There is no great plan to subjugate the world as some seem to think, it is just a system that perpetuates itself. Whether Argentine or Angolan we go to the same elite schools, the same top-10 universities, then take positions close to the many distributed levers of power.

Wealth is so hard to get and so easy to maintain, it is not a conspiracy, it is just nature. Presidents come and go, but the king makers remain. The ones on the street are the middle classes, squeezed in the middle; not wealthy enough to be above the economic slowdown, but enlightened enough to see where the bad policy comes from. I feel for them and wish them success with their campaign.
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Best wishes to all.
31 Tobers (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
On the one hand they say that this 'middleclass dollar buying miami vationing weve got a housemaid' demographic is insiginificant and yet so much fear SO much fear for this event tonight.

They say respect that the fact that CFK is presidfent because she won 54 pc of the votes and yet they cant respect a demonstration that has never insinuated that there will be civil unrest. Argentines are legally allowed to demonstrate! Its a key indicator of a democracy is it not?

CFK and her mob are worried very worried - simply because they are losing control.
32 Guzz (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
28
You are right, this is from Australia

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/116345/8n-pots-already-banging-in-australia!

Let me see if I can find the one in Sweden...

:))))))))))
33 LightThink (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
Street protests are always a kind of sport in Argentina...dont care .!
34 Guzz (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Facebook

8N - Yo si voy: 7 100 likes
8N - Yo no voy: 43 400 likes

Can't fool the people :))))))))
35 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
@19 Hereman

“@ 14 Troy Tempest

I think you'll find 'that fellow' who ignored the proffered handshake was Barack Obama, you may have heard of him, he was just re-elected President of the USA for a second term yesterday!”

Thank you Hereman

Feeling very flattered for your attention. Never seen you post before and you made a special exception to take a cheap shot at me.

I was actually watching it on an older Blackberry. When I looked again at home, I saw it was indeed a tall dignified gentleman walking past a dumpy looking housewife.

Enjoyed the election coverage on Tuesday night.
36 Britworker (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
On a lighter note, has anyone seen that arse licking letter Turkey neck has written to President Obama. They have printed it to read in the B A Herald. It is worthy of a read, if the CIA didn't think she was a nut job before, they sure must now.
37 Conqueror (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
@35 Do you not think it appropriate for a recently-elected politician to ignore a corrupt, thieving whore?
38 Lau-wai (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
@1 How can you say that the queen is a right footer? she's a notorious montonera - always has been!
@2 Didn't you know? every household in Buenosaires has a few battered milk cans and a rusty frying pan for this carneval occasion which usually takes place every 8 years or so.
@9 You just havn't got a clue. Che, Whoes naval airforce bombed protestors in plaza de mayo ?
@11 how's the blackout and no water...normal day???
@21 Take pride, the ARA Whatever is in the process of becoming impounded in Simonstown. The German ship with spares for this tub is on 1/4 speed ahead...there are legal wranglings going on regards payment for the spares... next?
@29 You're not wrong. N8 is about people from all walks of life, of all kinds of political conviction seeing what the KK de mierda is doing to them and the country.
@30 Can't agree more!
@33 Once a pratt...always a pratt.
39 Simon68 (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
32 Guzz (#)
Nov 08th, 2012 - 02:15 pm

To save you time:

www.lanacion.com.ar/1524600-el-mapa-del-cacerolazo
40 Guzz (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
Simon
Some 17 people in Australia, I'm really more interested in how many gathers in Sweden, not where...
Seems the “yo no voy” is far more popular than “yo si voy”, both in facebook and on twitter...
41 Simon68 (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
40 Guzz (#)
Nov 08th, 2012 - 04:10 pm

I think that the “Yo no voy” is supported by you trolls, rather like the Falklands survey in the Daily Telegraph.

The real truth of the support will show when the people take to the streets this evening.

Pretty good 17 Argentines in Sydney, as far as I know there are no more than 750 Argentines living in Sydney so 2.3% of the universe isn't so bad!!!!!
42 Guzz (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
97.7% not supporting your cause isn't that bad either...

Go to twitter and have a look at why people “no va”
One says she wont go “porque tengo memoria”. :))

Nunca más, Simón, me escuchás? Nunca más!
43 ProRG_American (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
Much better to use their time doing more productive things rather than add to an already noise polutted Buenos Aires.
I was watching the local Los Angeles Spanish language station at 9 AM. The reporter was at the entrance to the building that houses the Argentine consulate in this city. There was a massive turnout and a line up of local people seeking visas for travel, tourism, and Argentine retirees processing documentation for return to their homeland. Many did comment that they were concerned that protesters may slow down the process or that they would have to return if the offices were forced closed. With 35,000+ Argentines in this city, there were no protesters in sight at this time.
I thought that you all ought to know.
44 Lau-wai (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 05:15 pm Report abuse
@41 where I'm at, there are several thousand various expats from all over the world plus, hundreds of students mostly from SA. I found it most amusing that all the argentine students, as well as other SA students took N8 into their theme for the annual fancy dress haloween party in the town...this is a huge event started friday evening, and finished monday morning. You should have seen the theatrical macabre killings of the botox queen....
45 Nido de Aguіlas (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
“Nunca más” – you can never say never so it is only wishful thinking but I do agree with your sentiment.

However you might be confusing the means with the ends. Violence was the means – thankfully not currently necessary – but the end remains the same. The ex-military behind bars and the politicians that have fallen are only tools. The division between rich and poor continues to grow, a clear sign that the aims of neither side are achieved.

Comparing results on social media sites is a parody of the situation – people fighting, discussing, debating, protesting while none of the causes they champion will achieve the outcome they want....while Mr Zuckerberg achieves exactly his.
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Best wishes to all.
46 Simon68 (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
42 Guzz (#)
Nov 08th, 2012 - 04:33 pm

I have lost my last faint doubts that you really are an Urugayo. You are an Argentine 100%.

I also “tengo memoria”, I can remember when Mr. and Mrs, Kirchner were executing Decreto 1050 reposession orders on very poor farmers and crianceros in Santa Cruz whilst supporting the military government!!!!!!!

As you say “NUNCA MÁS!!!!!!!!!”
47 Conqueror (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
@43 Please tell us how many were leaving. Could it have been 35,000+ returning to the “promised cesspit”?
“yankeeboy”, do you have any contacts? Could you make sure they are never let in again? A “heads-up” to the Border Patrol to shoot on sight?
48 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 05:59 pm Report abuse
A map of the worldwide protests. There even one in my city of Boston.

www.lanacion.com.ar/1524600-el-mapa-del-cacerolazo

Guzz.....did you have carpel tunnel from clicking the mouse 43,400 times? If you were not ASHAMED of being an argentine you would still be in Argentina and know how many people turn out. The one in Sweden is in Stockholm.
49 Conqueror (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
Let's be quite clear. argieland = shite in a colander!
50 ElaineB (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
It is interesting reading the comments on other sites from Argentines actually living in Argentina. They are sick of CFKC making the same promises but not seeing any improvement, just a worsening situation. What comes up time and time again is the dollar clamp and that Anses will not be able to pay pensions.
51 briton (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
Perhaps guz is a practising Quaker...
52 saphira (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
Seems like they were protesting in London as well
www.ustream.tv/channel/8nlondres
53 briton (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
Do you really think CFK is worried, we think not.
54 Brit Bob (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
CFK must stay! The comedy club currently leading Argentina are a laugh a minute. What else will we do?
55 ChrisR (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
42 Guzz

”Because she has memories?” Is that it?

What about everybody out on the street and their memories?

Old walrus face knows damn well and is shit scared of what he knows. There, that’s as cryptic as your quote.

The difference is we know that TMBOA is getting more and sicklier as time moves on. Her Bi-Polar ‘disorder’ is going to end in tears for the country.

BTW I don’t bash AG for the sake of it, I do criticise the despotic actions because THEY DESERVE IT.

ALSO You claim that the UK would have a problem with the Chinese (if they had purchased bonds?) just the same as AG. You overlook / ignore one VERY important thing: the UK would have actually had to have defaulted first (like AG has).

So, the question is very simple: please show me WRITTEN EVIDENCE of the UK ever defaulting (and not the WW1 crap).
56 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
#43 off course you see nothing in LA; with the exception of Chicago, it is all on the east coast where the majority of the US population lives. Boston, NYC, Washington DC, Chicago, Miami in Canada....Toronto and Montreal
57 Guzz (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
Chris
How about 20-very soon. 'm not sure which one will come first, the people wanting their pensions or the Chinese cashing in. I'm young enough to see both ;)
58 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
Holland

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wx4DMtmbxrs

Rome

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1EucFzyK7Ik

more to follow.

Argentines wanted their pensions too, but like my wife, her's was robbed my CUNTFACE KIRCHNER
59 ProRG_American (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
Well, LA news reports no events at Argentine Consulate this afternoon.Offices just closed at 2:30 PM Pacific time. Just anjother normal day aty the Counsel generals office.
The photo below shows the only folks seen hanging around eqarlier in the afternoon, but no incidents were recorded.
www.andykortman.com/images/tv-nostalgia/BeverlyHillbillies.jpg
60 Guzz (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
And in Argentina they made a flag that filled more than the protestants...
Add them to the 17 in Australia, 25 in Holland and 32 in Italy... Oh, and ProRG's 4 :)))

Un pedito de vieja el caserolazo :)))
61 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
V0lant is the will of man, but will man tame the volant mind?
62 ProRG_American (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
Guzz, you forgot to mention the LA security task force, and service with a smile too.

www.robertpine.com/CHIPS_Color_Two.jpg
63 Guzz (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
Come on right-wing, you can do better than this... or you are in a hurry to learn, you'll be needing it ;)

Pffffffffffffttt.... Next, 7D

Saludos pueblo hermano
64 ProRG_American (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
Now, let's move on to some meaningful news

english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16809:cabinet-chief-opens-the-joint-meeting-of-argentine-and-chilean-ministers&catid=42:politics

english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16814:argentinas-chief-of-state-qwe-are-living-a-time-of-freedom-of-expression-never-known-beforeq&catid=42:politics

english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16819:president-cristina-qthere-is-a-new-political-construction-in-argentina-and-the-regionq&catid=42:politics
65 Ayayay (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:29 pm Report abuse
Who would have thought that someone best known for their designer and dramatic displays might not have a PHd in economics and administration?
66 MaxAue (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
Holy shit - there are like a lot of people banging pots and pans in the streets!
tn.com.ar/envivo/24hs
67 Raven (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
@64

Predictable diversion tactic.

Lets take that middle link you gave.

”We are living a time of constant expansion of rights.''

Does having restrictions placed upon the aquisition of the US$, a 15% charge on overseas spending an expansion of rights? and rights for whom? the Argentine Gvt?
68 ProRG_American (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
66 MaxAue (#)
Be Happy! A people enjoying the exercise of their rights in a democracy.
69 Ayayay (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuVG0F_oorM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
70 ElaineB (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:49 pm Report abuse
@55 You are right about her health. She is 'too sick' to fly to Spain. Spain? Apparently it is a 40 hour flight to Spain from Argentina..... what route is she taking?...... and her doctors say she has to avoid extra pressure.

She is building her 'victim exit' as the Argentine people turn against her. If she isn't fit for the job she should bugger off.
71 Raven (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
@68 ProRG_American

Did I highlight the fact you posted an ill considered link for your refusal to answer my question to you?
72 ProRG_American (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:59 pm Report abuse
71 Raven (#)
A world in peril is tough on everyone. Tough times require tough measures.
73 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:00 am Report abuse
66
You are right, that's a lot of people. Most of them are protesting against insecurity.
Read economical insecurity, namely their own.
Loads more are not protesting, namely those the former ones been living off until recently. Nunca más!
74 Raven (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:03 am Report abuse
@72 ProRG_American

Nice diversion, the question still stands unanswered.

”We are living a time of constant expansion of rights.''

How does the dollar clamp and the 15% charge on spending abroad equate to an expansion of rights?

This is taking rights away from the common man.
75 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:07 am Report abuse
Raven
You fail to understand that the pesification does not affect the normal Argentina. The normal Arg isn't a concheta with dollars in his account...
76 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:10 am Report abuse
crickets...
77 Raven (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:12 am Report abuse
@75 Guzz

I'm not on about Pesos. I refer to the fact that having the option of getting US$ has been restricted and that there is a 15% charge for spending abroad.

Can one of you please tell me how this is ''an expansion of rights''?

Forget it. Both you know and I know that it is the complete reverse.
78 ProRG_American (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:38 am Report abuse
Looks like a warm evening out. There should be plenty of Cafes, pizzerias, and restaurants open open in BA waiting to make a killing tonight. Plenty of opportunity to not take in a movie or some theatre after the party.
79 yankeeboy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:39 am Report abuse
Holy Crap! Have you seen how many people are protesting!! Must be like 500K!

It is incredible!!
80 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:54 am Report abuse
#78 you are in LA....remember....or dif you forget previous posts? Wives familiy was there, is was a large one. There are in Bodton too.....not sure how large it is, but there is a sizable population in Mass and CT
81 ProRG_American (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:59 am Report abuse
79 yankeeboy (#)
Not really. The turnout about 25,000 in downtown BA. Mostly BA residents, always a challenge to the National government. Macri and cronnies are out in force tonight. The oposition press using wide lenses to exagerate the street scene. In other cities less than expected. Crowds dwindling there too. Probably decided just to enjoy a lovely warm evening out. A lot more enjoyable than standing around hoping to get your picture on TV or just wasting time at the park. Made your point, exercised your rights, now move on and let things just get back to normal. You can cast your vote in three years time.
82 Anbar (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:11 am Report abuse
@ 29 Simon68 (#) cheers for that, much appreciated. :-)
83 ProRG_American (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:14 am Report abuse
82 Anbar (#)
All of the political groups listed by @ 29 Simon68 (#) are a big part of the problem. They have no solutions.
84 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:28 am Report abuse
I just had some vids sent to me of the march......Yankee it was incredibly huge....add Rome, London, NYC, Boston, Sydney and Toronto and Montreal and Chicago....the world realizes how much they hate asslips
85 yankeeboy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:44 am Report abuse
I hope they drag that hog out of Olivos by her extensions.
86 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:07 am Report abuse
And tomorrow she will at as nothing happened
87 ElaineB (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:09 am Report abuse
There is plenty of coverage showing this is a HUGE protest. Even CFKC admitted that she is under pressure and her health is suffering.
88 Boovis (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 03:05 am Report abuse
The picture on the bbc wasn't with a wide angle lense and it seemed massive enough a crowd to me. Nothing will change these malvinistas point of view on it all, if she stands down they'll say she did great service and it was a conspiracy or health reasons, anything apart from the truth that shes pretty much hated as a liar, an incompetent and an elitist. “My queen, her legacy will be great and history will prove her right” bla bla bla. Goodbye and good riddance. Lets hope the next leader has two brain cells to rub together so we can get a spark of sense or decency from them.
89 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:59 am Report abuse
Tons of people indeed, probably the whole opposition was out... 1/42 of the Argentine population :)
Next streetparty planned on 7D...
90 St.John (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:57 am Report abuse
@ 16 Troy Tempest

what do you expect from a disguzzting socialist?

Socialists despise the working people, whom they consider a tool to gain power so they can grab everything within reach.
91 Don Alberto (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:29 am Report abuse
89 Guzz

“probably the whole opposition was out... 1/42 of the Argentine population”

Majority of Argentines believe Cristina Fernandez is losing control of government
A majority of Argentines disapproves of President Cristina Fernandez but more significantly 40% believe she is losing control of her administration and another 20% consider it a fact, according to Sergio Berenztein from the respected pollster Poliarquía.
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/05/majority-of-argentines-believe-cristina-fernandez-is-losing-control-of-government

Opinion poll shows support for Cristina Fernandez sliding significantly
en.mercopress.com/2012/06/11/opinion-poll-shows-support-for-cristina-fernandez-sliding-significantly

Cristina Fernandez support eroding but no rivals on sight to challenge her
en.mercopress.com/2012/08/03/cristina-fernandez-support-eroding-but-no-rivals-on-sight-to-challenge-her

Re-re-election of Cristina Fernandez fully integrated to the political agenda of Argentina
en.mercopress.com/2012/08/21/re-re-election-of-cristina-fernandez-fully-integrated-to-the-political-agenda-of-argentina

Opinion poll shows Cristina Fernandez rapidly losing support; crime and inflation main concerns
en.mercopress.com/2012/08/27/opinion-poll-shows-cristina-fernandez-rapidly-losing-support-crime-and-inflation-main-concerns
92 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:08 am Report abuse
#9 Brilliant, I love it =) When they start saying we shouldn't talk about class it confirms what side I'm on - not theirs!

#11 Exactly, unlike their side allowed when they were in power!

#34 Brilliant =)

#38 The Queen indeed =)
93 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:27 am Report abuse
Definitely the beginning or her end. Family sent some great pics and vids marching downing Sante Fe to the Oblisk.
#81 I am really confused......are you in BsAs or LA?
The queen is dying ....the queen is dying......death be not proud!
94 Simon68 (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
81 ProRG_American (#)
Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:59 am

What an idiot!!!!!!!

Last night the GOVERNMENT estimated 700.000 on the 9 de Julio!!!!!!

Most observers calculate that well over a million people manifested in Bs. As. and close to 500.000 in Rosario. I've not seen any estimates for the other cities throughout Argentina, but in our small town the protesters were up by 25% compared with September 13th.!!!!!!!!!
95 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
Simon only kirchner's supporters from “out of the country” will say it was nothing
96 Rufus (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
Looks like someone needs to try and start a war to unite the populace...

And here's the Argentine Navy doing their very best to oblige:
www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=255803
ARA Libertad crew threatening to fire on Ghanaian port officials if they try and move them to a different berth. That'll encourage prompt service from the port authority...
97 St.John (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
@ 81 ProRG_American
“Not really. The turnout about 25,000 in downtown BA. ”

Very Argentine, always in denial of unpleasant facts.
98 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
ProRG_American claims to be in Los Angeles California St. John, so how would it kow? The trolls are getting tangled in their own lies.....lol

“We came here because we don’t want Cristina,” said Shirley Brener, a 12-year-old student who protested in Buenos Aires with her mother, Monica, a 48-year-old school director.

www.washingtonpost.com/business/thousands-of-argentines-vent-anger-at-president-fernandez-in-protest-march-through-capital/2012/11/08/bd995c0e-2a03-11e2-aaa5-ac786110c486_story.html

Cuntina Kirchner, Hannibal the Cannibal Fernandez and the Tinman are the perfect three monkeys sitting in a tree.......hear no evil, se no evil and speak no evil........the next protest we send mail them all bananas
99 ProRG_American (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
96 Rufus (#) “ARA Libertad crew threatening to fire on Ghanaian port officials if they try and move them to a different berth. That'll encourage prompt service from the port authority...”

You have made my day buddy! Makes me proud of being a sailor.
The Captain and crew of the Libertad have finally listened to me. Resist! Resist! Resist! Stand at the helm and enforce the law of the seas!
Make sure the barrels are clean and free and hand the boys plenty of ammo.

94 Simon68 (#) Last night the GOVERNMENT estimated 700.000 on the 9 de Julio!!!!!!
Luciano Pavarotti open concert had an audience of 200,000 and 9 de Julio was fuller than the photos.

Three years to go and counting fellers. I will say, that being in argentina is never boaring.
100 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
She will be assianted, or “die” or natural causes long before those three years arrive
101 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
#96 A short, hust war against the vultures would do wonders for her popularity, who would want to march against her in BA if it was a clear choice between her and an army fighting for Singer! Of course I hope it won't come to that but its something the other side should definately factor into their calculations. A good point was made ont the discussion under that article - Ghana invited the warship to visit as a sign of friendship, then impounded it, surely a causus belli?!

#99 Are you sure Cristina should do nothing to change the constitution and stand down, if she wins the Liberty War (if there is one) surely re-election would be hers for the taking if she wants it, and who could do better? I know Timmerman would be good, so would Alicia Castro and I'm sure others in the K camp, but I'd sure miss her charisma and spirit

#100 You wish!
102 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:22 am Report abuse
Castro was chubby chavos BJ machine....what a joke. As for wishing....I wish for nothing, if I don't have it, I don't need it. Actions are not wishable comodities bk, everything that will happen will happen. Wishing is for losers.

TELL ME WHY YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO ARGENTINA FOR THE 42ND TIME???? BK
103 St.John (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:25 am Report abuse
@ 99 ProRG_American

“You have made my day buddy! Makes me proud of being a sailor.
The Captain and crew of the Libertad have finally listened to me. Resist! Resist! Resist! Stand at the helm and enforce the law of the seas!
Make sure the barrels are clean and free and hand the boys plenty of ammo.”

www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=255803

last line: “... the armed crew, who only laid down their arms later in the evening.”

Having reading problems? or did you lose your third brain cell?

If the crew fire at the Ghanaian port authority, it constitutes an act of war (ARA Libertad being a ship of war, right?) and they'll be wiped out.
104 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:06 am Report abuse
#102 “TELL ME WHY YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO ARGENTINA FOR THE 42ND TIME????”

Because I've not been for the 41st time yet =)
105 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:26 am Report abuse
@104 BK

so clever. **chuckle **

So, still no answer, BK ???
106 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
You still refuse to anwser......all your claims of how Argentina is worthless. One thing is wonderful about the protest.....it keeps sickening asslips. She had to cancel her Spain trip. Her doctor is telling people it's a 40 hour flight to Spain and back. They must think the Argentine's are really that stupid. Anyway.....maybe a weekly protest will kill her !!!
Largas protestas en vivo!!!!!!!!!!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9u4smQ8EY

When I go fairly soon, I am really hoping that peso picks up pace in the slide, helps my budget.....lol
107 St.John (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
@ 98 Captain Poppy
ProRG_“American” is so obviously an Argentino pretending to be a US american. As an Argentino he is an american, though.
108 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 12:37 am Report abuse
#99 the captain and crew are sailors, you know.....400 men go out to sea and 200 couples return. Sure....they were brave as hell against unarmed portmaster. Will they shake they balls when the Army sends a armored vehicle with a 102 mm canon on it to ask them to move?
ProRG_American can't decide where it resides.....one statement it sees activities in Buenos Aires, the next it talking about what it sees in LA.......what an idiot
109 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 14th, 2012 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
#106 The protest is indeed sickening, but ma'am will pull through, with her inner strength and in knowledge of the love and support of the majority

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