Friday, November 16th 2012 - 04:22 UTC

Cameron and Piñera discuss Falklands, Antarctic cooperation and confirm close links

Visiting Chilean president Sabastian Piñera and PM David Cameron reaffirmed the two countries long standing close relations, pledged to increase trade and acknowledged their views on the Falkland Islands and the coming referendum during a meeting on Thursday at 10 Downing Street.

The two leaders at 10 Downing Street reaffirmed the close political relations and defence cooperation

The two leaders also welcomed an agreement signed on Thursday between the British Antarctic Survey and Chilean Antarctic Institute to strengthen the countries’ cooperation in this region.

“The Prime Minister warmly welcomed President Piñera of Chile to Downing Street for the second time and said that Chile was one of Britain’s oldest friends in South America, with many shared values and aspirations”, said a release from 10 Downing Street.

Both leaders said that the meeting further strengthened their relationship and agreed to maintain close cooperation on defence and foreign policy, as well as committing to increase bilateral trade between the two countries from the current £1.73bn.

PM Cameron said he was doing everything he could to regain some of Britain’s pioneering spirit in trading with South America.

On the Falklands and the coming referendum, “President Piñera acknowledged the Prime Minister’s views and also assured him that shipping routes would remain open to the UK”.

The two leaders affirmed their wider commitment to furthering co-operation in science and innovation. The Prime Minister said he hoped that the year of innovation in 2013 in Chile would provide further opportunities to develop these links between the UK and Chile.

Finally they said the BAS/Chilean Antarctic Institute agreement will strengthen cooperation in the region and “allow both countries to use each other’s research stations and other assets to help deliver research programs in a part of the world which is vital for understanding the speed and impact of climate change.”

President Piñera described the meeting with PM Cameron as “frank, direct and with concrete and positive results”. He underlined the scientific cooperation agreement in Antarctica and the agreement to have teachers sent to Chile to teach English and help the South American country become a bi-lingual nation, besides digital.

“Relations between Chile and Great Britain are very solid, positive and we have further advanced on that path, which I’m sure will help the quality of life of the Chilean people particularly students and entrepreneurs, via the accords on education, innovation and technology”.

President Piñera is on a tour of Europe which took off in Brussels with Belgian officials, later at the European Parliament and on Thursday Britain, where besides meeting with PM Cameron he gave a conference at Canning House on Latam and Chile opportunities and challenges in the coming decade.
 

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1 Lord Ton (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 05:06 am Report abuse
Looks like more student exchange visits with the Falklands and increasing cooperation in BRITISH Antarctica :-)
2 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 05:53 am Report abuse
Chilean president Sabastian Piñera
“The position of the Chilean government is clear and firm: we back and support the right of Argentina, on legal and historic reasons, over the Malvinas and other adjoining islands”

Good to see MercoP(enguin) working again :-)
3 The Chilean perspective (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:33 am Report abuse
@ 2 Marcos Alejandro
Please understand that Chileans know for a fact that the islanders want to remain British, this is why we can safely take a position that will not cause irritation to our biggest neighbor. The net result however is that were Argentines stupid enough to invade the Falklands again they would not receive any support from us.
4 damian (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:37 am Report abuse
Take note argentina - this is diplomacy in action.
5 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:37 am Report abuse
@One - ton

During the recent “Night of The Long Knives”, I emailed an author at his BT mail account.

I thought my “Bad Troll - no sausage” remark had triggered my removal LOL
6 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 07:14 am Report abuse
4 damian

As ever Argentina, watch and learn, watch and learn................
7 Gordo1 (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 07:16 am Report abuse
Malvinista Trolls - take note of No.3, the chilean Perspective!
8 DanyBerger (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:52 am
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9 Islander1 (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:00 am Report abuse
Marcos- in that case do please explain why in southern Chile they talk about the islas Falklands - not Malvinas?
Do please explain why in several southern Chile pubs and bars you will find Falklands flags pinned up?
Do please explain why export documentation clearly states Falkland Islands or Islas Falklands on it?
10 CJvR (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:31 am Report abuse
If the Argies hadn't been stopped on the Falklands the Chileans might have had to fight an Argie invasion by themselves. It was one of Pinochet's smarter moves to support the war in 82, small investment - massive payoff!

@9 - “Do please explain why export documentation clearly states Falkland Islands or Islas Falklands on it?” - Sanity?
11 War Monkey (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:45 am Report abuse
“The position of the Chilean government is clear and firm: we back and support the right of Argentina, on legal and historic reasons, over the Malvinas and other adjoining islands”

This is legal speak and is designed to be both accurate and ambiguous at the same time.

It could be interpreted as:

“If Argentina can prove their claim is legitimate then Chile will support it”.

Not that they would support any aggressive action though as they have a duty of care at the very least, to the Chilean community living in the FI. A community that they are happy to see contributing to FI society and strengthening ties between Chile, the FI and the UK. Ties that ordinary Argentines would like to strengthen too but are held back from doing so by their retarded government and childhood indoctrination in school.

Malvinistas interpret it to mean that Argentina enjoys unequivocal support from Chile, wether their claim is proved legitimate or not.

It is called diplomacy. The Chileans do it well.

Of course another way of looking at it is that Chile are keeping their friends (the UK and the FI) close but they are keeping their potential enemies (Argentina) closer still. Which is another form of diplomacy.
12 ManRod (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:35 am Report abuse
Piñera, good you didn't forget who you can rather trust and also the will of the Chilean People.

Guzz and BK crying in 3,2,1...
13 ChrisR (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 11:15 am Report abuse
Back to square one again I see with the trolls.

Dunni-burger and Marco-A, I bet guzz and the Scottish prat won't be far behind.
14 ElaineB (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 11:19 am Report abuse
It is well documented that after if the invasion of the Falklands had been successful, Argentina was going to invade Chile next. OK, the plan was fashioned by an mentally unstable Argentine President but still.....
15 Brit Bob (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 11:21 am Report abuse
@2

As the Secretary General of the United Nations, Ban Ki Moon confirmed the other day by saying, 'People should have the right to decide their own future.'

The 'Great Malvinas Lie' has been blown out of the water.
16 malen (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
I think UK is more kind to invade other nations than Arg, according to facts of last 200 years.
Fortunatelly Latin america has grow in confidence that union is the way, looking what other regions do. And UK is playing the divide and conquer. But we can play it too.
17 ElaineB (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
@16 What are you going to divide and conquer? All the actions of CFKC have just forged closer links between the Falklands and the UK.

You are right that Argentina does not have the ability to invade as much as a kindergarten playground NOW. I was talk about the plans to invade Chile immediately after the Falklands, thirty years ago. It was a foolish plan but very real and explains the actions of Chile at the time.
18 Pirate Love (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
so this is the south american unity crustina keeps talking about, I like it,
this will not help her Falkland crusade distraction one bit and i take satisfaction in knowing this will p*ss her off further, clearly The chileans can see she is down the pan with the rest of the floaters.

SELF-DETERMINATION!
19 Chicureo (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:48 pm Report abuse
Chile has learned to play the middle. We trade with everyone and have only the desire to protect our borders. (Woe to the nation that ever attacks us...). Saying that, we simply want to export our products and improve our economy. We have encouraged investment and are wise to not get entangled in political allanaces. HOWEVER, most Chileans of my generation or older will never forget that Argentina nearly attacked us.
20 Santa Fe (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
15 - great point it was all lies from the Rg's iam shocked
21 Musky (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
@18 PL
Too right, if the Falklands was truly close to the heart of Chileans they would not entertain our PM.
22 Condorito (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
Chilean Perspective & Chicureo - quite right. We're playing this down the middle and staying one step ahead.

Off on a tangent: very interesting first hand account of Chilean soldier in UK 2 Para during '82 conflict:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5QUltzBhXo
23 Xect (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
Argentina play divide and conquer? Seems someone hasn't explained the rules to them as they seem to be playing it on themselves!

Anyway back to the story in hand, this is yet more good news for the UK and its SA friends.....
24 JIB (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
It's a pity there won't be another mandate for Piñeyra. Argentina's good friend Bachelet is going to be next chilean presidente, tut tut.
25 Conqueror (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
@2 It's quite clever really. If you don't, in normal usage, refer to the Islands as “Malvinas”, making such a statement can be translated as ““The position of the Chilean government is clear and firm: we back and support the right of Argentina, on legal and historic reasons, over their fantasy place and other adjoining islands”. Like it?
@8 Whoops!
@16 How are you going to ”divide“ the UK? Apparently, your attempts to weasel your way in with Scotland and Wales got absolutely nowhere. Although you should keep your eyes on Salmond. He may be asking for political asylum soon.
@24 Tut, tut. Please learn to keep up. The Secretary-General of the UN has only recently made it clear that all peoples have the right of self-determination and that the UK is not in breach of any UN resolutions. So if Bachelet wants to damage Chile, let her go ahead. But didn't she have a somewhat ”rocky” relationship with the last Kirchner?
26 ProRG_American (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
“acknowledged their views on the Falkland Islands and the coming referendum”
Cameron - “We support the Right of the Islannders to determine their own future”
Pineda - “ We support Argentinas claim of sovereignty” Referendum, “go ahead but the world knows it's a smoke screen. ”
Flights, - will continue until Argentina decides it's in their interest, but will stop when LAN flights in argentina are threatened to be cancelled
27 Santa Fe (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
26... I missed the bit in the article that quoted that pinhead supports Argentinas claim of sovereignty!!! Please point it out
28 Think (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
(19) Chicureo

You say:
“Most Chileans of my generation or older will never forget that Argentina nearly attacked us.”

I say:
A little personal anecdote;……………. just to give you an idea of why I don’t believe all this “military” bulls*** about Chileans and Argentineans being mortal enemies....:

“200 Think (#) Jul 23rd, 2010
“El destino quizo que en noviembre del 78 visitase a un gran amigo (Nicasio Urquizo, q.e.p.d.) administrador de la estancia “Remolino” sobre el canal de Beagle.
Allí fui testigo presencial de una reunion entre los almirantes Massera y Toribio Merino que, con un montón de Güisky encima, se cagaban de risa de nosotros, los civiles huevones que nos tragabamos la historia de la Guerra.”
en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/argentina-blockading-the-falklands-with-no-respect-for-islanders-human-rights

Mr. Chicureo…..
With your Navy connections you could, maybe, do me a favor and check the veracity of this old story……
On the Argentinean side there is ”No Official Record” of it….
Maybe on the Chilean side....?
(I do remember the Chilote Admiral arriving from Puerto Williams in kind of a torpedo boat, if it helps)
29 MistyThink (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
25 briton

My personification list says that Conqueror =briton

The Scotland freeing up from UK and joining into land Europe is inevitable.
30 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
I still don't understand why the Brits always enunciate glib phrases like “learn from Brazil, Argentina”, “Take note Argentina, this is diplomacy”, or “Mexico knows how to do international relations”... etc, etc, every time PM Cameron visits or is visited by a Latin American head of state.

I've always said we should leave the Falklands alone and foster no relations with them, but I don't follow why beyond this fair observation should Argentine leaders or foreign policy engage in what the Brits here call “diplomacy” like the other countries do.

The other countries want relations with the UK, we obviously either don't want to or don't care to want to. Why not just limit your comments to pseudo-jingoist “Falklands are British”, and avoid pronouncements on Argentine foreign policy? If leaders of the UK and Argentina haven't met in ages, there are reasons for that. Neither side has any interest whatsoever in having amicable engagement.

The Brits should stop making villains of any who have no interest in their country, having no relations just means we have no relations with your country.
31 MistyThink (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
The reason why they kicked off from Europe Union so they looking up new adventures here.
32 ChrisR (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
Nostrolldamus The

Then I suggest you make every effort you can to educate your indoctrinated AG citizens to STF up and leave the Brits and the Falklanders alone.

Very simple isn't it?

BTW There are STILL no Malvinas.
33 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
@30 Then would you kindly take Madam Castro back please as she clearly fulfills no useful purpose in her current role.
34 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
I am, I am.

But remember, you are more indoctrinated than us.
35 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
Pinera is a lame duck anyaway
36 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
@33

You will find that I said months ago she should be recalled as she holds nothing more than a titulary sinecure. There is no job for her to do since Argentina has no programs, cultural, military, or political exchanges with you.
37 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
36

Then tell your government instead of us.
38 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
Oh yeah?? Why then don't you antis spew your anti-Argentina manure to our government, instead of here? I'll give you several web addresses.

Or are you another Brit who believes in freedom of speech only for your side?
39 isolda (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak
chilotes and brits!
lol
40 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
2 “Marcos”

If the position of Chile is so clear why is their president saying shipping is allowed?
41 Conqueror (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
@38 Sorry. Aren't YOU an argie? Aren't YOU a member of the argie electorate? Isn't YOUR “country” a democracy? Isn't YOUR government supposed to do what YOU want? Don't YOU want to exercise YOUR rights? Or do YOU not have freedom of speech? If YOU told your government what YOU've said here, would YOU disappear? Never to be seen again. Or is that YOU have no courage? Is it that YOU're just a cowardly, frightened, little keyboard warrior? All mouth from 8,000 miles away. You see, I contact MY political representative, a member of MY country's government, and tell him what I think. I also contact the head of MY country's government and tell him what I think. Are YOU so much of a coward that you can't do the same? Go back over what YOU've said. Contact YOUR political representative and head of government and tell them. And PROVE it. It's supposed to be YOUR country. How many “politicians” do YOU have? 100? 200? And they can cow 41 million?
I have to know that YOU know what a coward is. Because YOU are one!
42 marcio (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
For more support that exists in the world between either country is irrelevant, the situation will be resolved solely between Argentina and Britain, but unfortunately we have an incompetent president, you can not get to a future negotiation without having passed years of trust and cooperation with the Islanders. Despite the language, the natural link should be with us and not with Britain but of course, inadequate policies have led to hate kelpers Argentina every day.
43 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
Is it just me or are the Argentines more hostile and short-fused since Mr Ki-moon's few words this week? Added to that, CFK has stopped mentioning their mythical Malvinas so they are suffering from a build up of steam on two fronts.
44 MistyThink (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:19 pm Report abuse
Danny ....Danny .....Danny

Why do you use these fairy comment names ..who read-- care. !
45 Pugol-H (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
Stink has learned a new word – well it’s easier to say than Washing up liquid.
46 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
42 marcio

Lovely to hear your sincere and wise words. If anyone had the potential to pass an olive branch it would be someone like you. The problem you have is all the damage your president and the fanatics on here are causing your chances of that ever happening.

Where do you live? I would love to learn more about you.
47 joe_blog (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
@46
here is Isolde using Joe Bloggs screen name.
lol
48 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
47 Why. WTF is it with you wogs and multiple tags?
49 joe_blog (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
oh! the brits gobblers again!
50 briton (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
29 MistyThink
are you thick or stupid,
i have not made a blogg on here till replying to you, SUSSie.
idioticapenditol.
51 joe_blog (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
@ 50
glu glu gluuuugluuug don't blame her deal with men only,,,,coward!
52 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
51

You've obviously exhausted everything except some moronic attempt just to troll everyone into submission. No more legal options, no military options, no UN support, no global support. Just try to turn these threads into a farce rather than face your dismal position. You will never get the UK out of the South Atlantic.
53 brits gobblers (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
briton, conqueror, captain poppy, zhivago, simeon68, joe bloggs, isolde,
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
54 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
53

See 52.
55 briton (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
54,
joe
its seems mercopress missed sussie.
56 Ayayay (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
@14 interesting. Operacion Soberania en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Soberan%C3%ADa
57 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
55

Oh, is that who you think it is?
58 PGH (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:18 pm Report abuse
“acknowledged their views on the Falkland Islands”
That's a far fetched statement, MercoPenguin. Maybe you could provide us all with some context?

Oh right, you can't, because you're just repeating what the British government published...
59 marcio (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
on the subject of oil, I think the worst mistake of kretina was having suspended the oil agreement, just that it could have been a start for an approach, in addition to student exchanges to learn to speak English and children islands know our country. But that she is not interested, she thinks only increase its equity of 82 million pesos, and finish turning Argentina into a banana republic. Poor my country.
60 Mrs Captain Poppy (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
@ 55
I am married ,,,,,so don't bother me again!
61 marcio (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
This fragment of a diary I just read SAYS IT ALL: Cristina Kirchner was right when he denied the Harvard student asked him how he had managed to increase its equity from 2 to 79 million pesos. “I do not know where you get those numbers, but it is not,” said the President. The growth was 7 to 82 million dollars: an increase of nearly 1172% (75 million). This is multiplied more than 11 times.
62 DanyBerger (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 12:16 am Report abuse
@MistyThink

“Mohammed is now the most popular name for baby boys ahead of Jack and Harry”
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html

“Mohammed, the nation's (secret) favourite name”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8091798/Mohammed-the-nations-secret-favourite-name.html

Curry based and Kebab food the most popular meals in UK like the Big Mac and hot dogs in US or Beef and Asado in Argentina.

What can I do?

BTW none answered me Who is Cameron on that picture?
63 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 12:25 am Report abuse
62

What's your point? A racist one no doubt.

Someone might answer your question if it made grammatical sense but to be frank, I can't figure out what it is that you are asking.

What do you think about Chile's support to Argentina over the Malvinas issue? Ships are still going through the docks. LAN is still flying ida y vuelta hasta las islas. What measurable thing has Chile done to support KFC?

Sounds like my support of Arsenal football club sort of support. Pirate football strips from Asia and free to air TV games only. I've never paid any money that has found it's way to the club ever but I “support” them.
64 Monty69 (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 12:34 am Report abuse
62 DanyBerger
''What can I do?''
errr..... crawl back under your stone, you 'orrible little racist?

I'd much rather a decent curry, or even a nasty kebab, than a hot dog. Do you have a point?
65 Pugol-H (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 02:03 am Report abuse
@63 Joe Bloggs
Most professed Guunners, like most Man U, have never seen their clubs play, Yiddo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Dunny Bugger
Same old shite I see. N0 change there then.
66 DanyBerger (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 04:04 am Report abuse
Oh!

I cannot understand why are you so upset, any explanation please?

You call Germans Jerry.
You call Argentinean Argies, Spanish, Italian, Germans escaping from Odesa, Nazies.
You call SA people Latinos.
You call Scottish Brutish monkeys.
You call Welsh people sheep.

And you get upset and call me racist because I call you Mohammeds? Which is the most popular name in England?

Give a break please.

There is noting racist to call people by their names, on the contrary racist is the person that wants to deny that fact.

Are you going to tell me that curry foodstuff and kebabs are not the most popular meals in English?

I was there for some time and I saw it by myself.

You can call me Beer drinker I will not get offended because we do drink a lot of beer among other stuff but unfortunately we didn’t develop palate taste for kebabs and curry.

Is that my fault?

I like Asados, dulce de leche, facturas but not kebabs and curry stuff. But as a good democratic person I don’t care if you like to eat that.

I am not even against that you use pyjamas if that make you happy.

Any person should be allowed to live like he/she wants.

You chose to follow English culture and eat kebabs, curry and use pyjamas.

For me is fine meanwhile you don’t try to force your culture over mine if you know what I mean.

BTW I how you a happy Pyjamas party mates.

SYL.
67 Lord Ton (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 05:04 am Report abuse
I'll call you 'Twat' and no, curry comes in a poor second to a decent lamb roast in the UK regardless of what you saw, and regardless of statistics.

And Mohammed is not the most popular name in the UK except amongst Islamists.

You are quite right about any person being allowed to live like they want. I'm sure the Falklanders appreciate the sentiment.
68 Think (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 06:47 am Report abuse
(67) Dear Mr. Lorton

I checked the info presented by Mr. Danny Burger at (62) and he seems to be right…..
The name Mohammed and its variations are the most popular boys name in England and Wales…
He even linked us to a serious article of “The Telegraph”…..
Didn’t you read it….?:
”Mohammed, the nation's (secret) favourite name
”According to the official version, Oliver is recognized today as the most common name for baby boys. But the official version is disguising the truth.
...........when variations of the Islamic Prophet's name were included it came top for the first time, given to 7,515 boys, compared with 7,364 Olivers.
The figures, from the Office for National Statistics, showed that there were 3,300 boys named Mohammed, 2,162 called Muhammad, 1,073 Mohammads and 980 called either Muhammed, Mohamed, Mohamad, Muhamed or Mohammod.”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8091798/Mohammed-the-nations-secret-favourite-name.html
But, of course, you have always excelled (as most coppers usually do,-) at disregarding the “inconvenient truths” in the “Malvinas/Falklands Issue”.
Rendering the rest of your, probably useful, information irrelevant.
You seem to be doing the same on the “British Immigration Issue”

Not surprising but quite unproductive “Think-king” by a grown up lad as you, boy.....
69 DanyBerger (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 07:07 am Report abuse
@Lord Ton

1-You probably understood that I said that curry comes first for the printed order but has nothing to do with that because I have no idea about wich comes first if Curry stuff or Kebabs to be honest.

2-Sorry I have to confess that I didn’t count all Mohammeds in UK I only repeat what media says and statistics shows. Well you know statistic and media are not always to be trusted even in UK because they manipulate data. And is valid for UK unemployment, GDP, standard of living, etc.

I have no idea if they are Islamists or whatsoever in fact I never ask suck private stuff because for me is simple irrelevant. I am atheist, cynic and liberal all in the same packaging like many Argies here that don’t trust even in their mothers.

3- I really glad that Falklanders appreciate that, but that prerogative comes in your own country, territory legal acquired or legal given by its legal owner and not in others people territory at least you don’t agree with them to have any kind of agreement.

My message to Brits is stick with law and sit with the legal owners to resolve your poor situation until is to late.

Any lawyer will tell you that better a bad agreement that good court ruling because you can end without anything.

Britain since long time ago has lost its capacity to impose her will to other countries and had become a second tier country powerless despite what you think or want to be the reality.

Argentina can easily trash UK if they have the political will to do so.

SYL
70 Think (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 07:29 am Report abuse
(69) DanyBerger

You say:
”Argentina can easily trash UK if they have the political will to do so.”

I say:
Aren’t you being a tad optimistic there?
The British are some cunning, snide operators; you know...
71 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 08:15 am Report abuse
69 DB
I have no doubt about your figures but you still haven't explained your point. I guess it is that you think we Brits would be embarrassed or ashamed of them or something. Well I for one am not in the least bit bothered by those figures. In fact they feel right to me and I think they accurately reflect the UK I love. Maybe some members of the BNP could get excited about your words but hey, I've had more enjoyable conversations with some of these Malvinistas than any BNP sympathiser.

DB again
“Britain some long time ago has lost its capacity to impose her will to other countries and had become a second tier country powerless despite what you think or want to be the reality”

If you say so Danny. If you say so. LOL.

Think doesn't quite believe you but also doesn't quite believe the UK could've applied some sort of pressure in some sort of way. A few years ago I would've had trouble believing it also but then I gained some exposure to the world of closed door discussions and deals. I could never work for the FCO or diplomatic service because i'd be too inclined just to say what I think but I love watching those folk in action.
72 HansNiesund (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 09:26 am Report abuse
@69

Dany, did you read this bit?

“Experts said the development reflected the name's overwhelming popularity among British Muslims rather than any ”explosion“ in the British Muslim population.”

Here' s the other bit: apart from a tiny minority of racists such as yourself, nobody cares. We'd probably only take notice if there was a vast explosion in the number of kids called Adolf. But that's hardly likely.
73 DanyBerger (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 09:49 am Report abuse
@ Think

I am not being optimistic Mr. Think.

But this is not the place to talk about these things.

@ Joe Bloggs

“I have no doubt about your figures but you still haven't explained your point”

My point is that Mohammed is not a racist statement because is a name quite used in Britain.
And that Kebab eater is not a racist statement because people in Britain love kebabs.

I drink a lot of beer and vodka why I should be offended if you call me Beer or vodka drinker?
Why I should be offended or call you racist if you call me bad joke-teller?
Or you call me Otto?

Or that you say that my English sucks like yours?

I don’t think that Mohammed is something bad but you seem to believe that.

So now you tell me for you Mohammed or to eat kebabs is something bad?

And what about Pyjamas?

“If you say so Danny. If you say so. LOL.”

I say so and you know that that is quite true. LOL

“Think doesn't quite believe you but also doesn't quite believe the UK could've applied some sort of pressure in some sort of way”

That is the beauty of debates and democracy anyone can have her/she own opinion. And I respect that then we have to see how reality turns to be.

So my question to you is...

Do you think that Britain has the power or ability to impose her will over a country like Argentina?
74 Clyde15 (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 10:05 am Report abuse
#73
The answer to your last sentence is NO except under one condition.
Militarily the UK can stop the Argentine from re-invading the Falklands.

Conversely Argentina has not the power or ability to impose its will against the UK.
75 reality check (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 10:22 am Report abuse
DB
In 2010, the Islamic population in the UK was 4.6%. I can quite believe that Mohammad was the most popular boys name in that 4.6% just as I can quite believe it was not the most popular boys name in the remaining 95.6%.

It is called perspective, you should try it some time.
76 Monty69 (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 11:59 am Report abuse
73 DanyBerger

What on earth are you blithering on about? No-one could give a stuff what anyone calls their kid, or whether they eat curry or not, or what they wear in bed. 'Pyjamas'??? Where did that come from?
Nobody said that any of those things were bad. You are attempting to make them into terms of abuse and that makes you a racist.

I think you should desist from this line of argument for your own sake, because it's making you look like a complete tool.

Before you do, you should learn something basic about statistics. If the Islamic population is 4.6% and they call 50% of their boys Mohammed, and the remaining population call 1% of their boys Oliver, then you are going to end up with more Mohammeds than Olivers.
The only thing it proves is that there is less variation in names in some subsets of the population than others.

There are some people in the UK on the lunatic fringe of right wing politics who care about such things. Most people don't.
77 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
76 Monty69

You can almost see these desperate Malvinista trolls trying to dream this shit up. And by “this shit” I don't mean the stats. I mean the theory that we'll somehow find the stats discomforting.
78 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
@76 Madam, your own logic dictates that, being a Falkland Islander, you should not speak of the United Kingdom (UK) as if you are an authority on the opinions of it's People. You are not a citizen of the UK; you are not one of us. Of course, if you subscribe to the view that Britain and the UK are the same thing, as asserted by a like minded person teaching English in Peru, opine away.
79 DanyBerger (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
@reality check & Monty69

I have the impression that you both have never been in England or UK at least in the last 10/15 years.

Or you live there into a box seeing only BBC1 and BBC2 “Coronation Street old episodes” in Beta-max format.

You both need to get out from the box more often and see how real Britain looks like outside your bubble.

Will you please?

@ Monty69

“There are some people in the UK on the lunatic fringe of right wing politics who care about such things. Most people don't.”

Well so you agree with me that the Mohammed name is only relevant for those minority lunatics...

So you and others shouldn’t have any problem if we call you Mohamed at least some of you are among those lunatics.

Any right wing lunatic there?
80 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
78
How clever! “Hurrah” (throw hat into the air) Did you work that out yourself or did a brick wall help you?

Stand down sailor. Your days of guarding us are over.
81 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
@80 Aye, aye Capn. Off to watch Rugby being played on a field that isn't covered in Upland Goose poo. The MOD Duty Officer knows where I am if they need to mobilise the Reserve.
82 Monty69 (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
78 Doveoverdover

I'm sorry. The only people who will own up to getting upset over how many children get called Mohammed are Daily Mail readers and the BNP, and their opinions are on the internet for all to see. You are quite right though; I have absolutely no business assuming that the rest of the UK populace are not lunatics. I guess it's just my positive view of humanity shining through.
You, on the other hand, see no difficulty in arriving at a negative opinion of the views of Falkland Islanders with nothing more to go on than the Penguin News and your own prejudices.

79 DanyBerger

You still make no sense at all. I spent 8 weeks in the UK earlier this year and therefore probably know a bit more about this than you do.
83 Think (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
(81) Cmdr. McDod
Aren't you forgetting the bloody sheep poo too ;-)))
84 reality check (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
DB
You watch the Street, explains a lot. Not seen it since the days of Elsie Tanner and Enna Sharples. Clue there, should help to alter your mistaken impression.
85 Think (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
(84) Reality Check
Juppppp, you are right................
He should watch “Citizen Khan” to “alter his mistaken impression”.
86 Pete Bog (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
@78
Consider this possibility however remote you think it is. Monty 69 may talk to someone who is from the UK and may therefore be informed of opinion from the UK.
If Monty69 has a good grasp of what happens in the UK then Monty69 is entitled to express opinions on the UK, they are more accurate than most of the Malvanista's assertions.
If Argentines are entitled to have views on the UK (or for that matter any other nationality) then so are Falkland Islanders.
Monty69 shares my 'English'opinion. I couldn't give a rats ass what somebody calls their kids, whether it's Mohammed, Rangit or Peter, and I am from UK.

I cannot see anything wrong with Monty69's logic on the assertion that there is 'less variation in names in some subsets of the population.'

You do not have to be resident in the UK to work that out.
87 briton (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
Come on guys,
Let the argie kids have their fun,
Plays kiss chase and tin can ally,

We know exactly what they are capable of,
Talk talk, and more talk,

They can insult all they wish, but until they deal with that poor little abandoned boat, that will shortly become an orphan,

They can hardly brag,

Still
When CFK start to arm her new navy with the latest Kayaks
We need to be wary, 3 millimetres think, armed with the deadly slings, and the latest stones,
Yep we will have to watch this lot, so powerful they will become…

.
88 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
@87 I respectfully submit that you misunderstood the context of @78.

Ms Monty has on at least one occasion invited a poster who has passed comment from the UK on FI matters to, as they say, “Butt Out”. It matters not whether the opinion expressed is well founded, based on conversation, personal observation or shared with any other Falkland Islander. It is simply enough that the poster doesn't share the lady's opinions and assertions.

I know dear reader for I was that poster.
89 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
87 Peter Bog

You have to understand that Captain Birdseye used to have a job where some people had to act like they respected him. He's not used to people treating him on his merits.
90 dab14763 (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 11:06 pm Report abuse
@76 Madam, your own logic dictates that, being a Falkland Islander, you should not speak of the United Kingdom (UK) as if you are an authority on the opinions of it's People. You are not a citizen of the UK; you are not one of us. Of course, if you subscribe to the view that Britain and the UK are the same thing, as asserted by a like minded person teaching English in Peru, opine away.

Dove,

I have never asserted such a thing. Of course it does depend on whether you view 'Britain' as short for United Kingdom of Great BRITAIN and Northern Ireland ie an alternAtive to 'UK' as a short form, or Britain as short for Great BRITAIN.

I have asserted that 'British' covers the UK, Crown Dependencies, and the OTs. That's because the denoym 'British' long ago ceased to be limited to people of Great Britain, or even to the British Isles, or even to people with British isles ancestry. Anyone who is a citizen by birth or naturalisation in any British territory is British.

BTW. There is no such thing as 'citizen of the UK' that excludes the OTs and the Crown Dependencies. British Citizenship covers all British territories. Of course there may be some people in the OTs who have British Overseas Territories Citizenship who haven't gone on to register as British citizens. People who are BOTC through naturalisation don't automatically become British Citizens, they have to register. BOTCs by birth are automatically also British Citizens.
91 Monty69 (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
88 Doveoverdover

Not so. I have never said that you weren't entitled to an opinion. What you are not entitled to is to tell us how to run our internal affairs. You can have an opinion about how you think they should be run; I have plenty of ideas about how the UK should be run. I am not a UK voter so I keep those opinions to myself.
However, you have repeatedly said that either the UK does run our affairs but we are too stupid to know it, or that the UK should run our affairs (ungrateful colonials etc etc). When you do that, I do indeed tell you to 'butt out'. You are entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to tell you that you are mistaken. That's how discussion works.
92 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
91 Monty69

But that's not how discussion works when engaging a superior officer. That's captain Birdseye's problem. He still thinks he has a command and that we're not entitled to get in his way.
93 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 08:20 am Report abuse
Dover=Capt Birdseye=Col. Custard ???

I'm confused. Dover seems to have good command of English language, but is his supposed knowledge of RN. UK. Falklands, really correct or current?

Is he likely an ex-pat living in Argentina?
He seems to have a very bitter negative, even contrarian attitude towards ecverything Falklands and everything British - hard to understand in an ex-military Brit.

What is his story - a duped ex-Brit acting as a Troll ??
94 Think (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 09:54 am Report abuse
(93) Troy Tempest (Stingray's Hero Extraordinaire)

What’s his story…???

A stern case of PTSD (Pragmatic & Total Sanity Devotion) after years of service to the United Kingdom of Titan.
95 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
@90 “The government of the UK is the British Government” Your words from elsewhere. You must have meant something different having subsequently asserted that 'British' covers the UK, Crown Dependencies, and the OTs. Still, you can see why foreigners are confused by the devolution and integration that has led to some people being more “Governed” than others.
96 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
@94 Titan er Think

”A stern case of PTSD (Pragmatic & Total Sanity Devotion)”

Partially clarifies things,
1) Devotion:: yes I see that - same devotion to CFK as Think, BK, PiRAT-H, and sussie, I suppose.

2) Pragmatic ? Please explain

3) Sane ?? Please see #1 above. Please enlighten us
97 Think (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
(95) Cmdr McDod

Foreigners confused by a British System?
No way!
A Pound was twenty Shillings.
A Shilling was twelve Pence.
A Penny was four farthings.
(When I finally learned how many farthings were in a Pound, you guys changed to decimal :-(
98 dab14763 (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 04:39 am Report abuse
Dove

FFS

you said I said that two places, 'Britain' and 'the UK', are the same thing. I didn't.

'Britain' and 'the UK' are nouns. Used for places/geographical regions/sovereign states

I did say the British Government is the UK government

'British' is an adjective. Its scope goes way beyond the first of the above nouns.

This is not so unusual. 'French' covers more than France, 'Danish' covers more than Denmark, New Zealander covers more than New Zealand.
99 RICO (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 01:56 pm Report abuse
All Chileans know which Islands the Argentines lost and why.
100 brits are pavos (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
never mind what the chilotes know
101 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
@99 RICO

“All Chileans know which Islands the Argentines lost and why.”

The whole world knows, RICO !!
Especially after all of Argentina loudly proclaimed it in the streets and world press, that 10,000 RG's sneaked up on 2,500 unarmed civilians to take them prisoner.

The whole world watched while a smaller British force boxed their ears and made them surrender, just three months later.

LOL !!

Yes, the whole world knows.

At that time too, Argentina, with three times the forces, intended to attack Chile, but chickened out.

Now... I bet Chile could just walk in and take their land back from Argentina. CFK has humiliated and ruined her armed farces and lately, lost the flagship, fired senior officers as scapegoats, and threatened to cut pay.

Yes, this is what the world and “the chilotes know”!!

LOL LOL LOL
102 Brit Bob (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
Time to start drinking that Chilean Merlot again. Thanks Mr Pinera.
103 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
@102

“Time to start drinking that Chilean Merlot again. Thanks Mr Pinera.”

Yes, that cheap Argie Malbec has left a bad taste in my mouth.

Time to boycott it - no point sending any more money to Argentina.
I would rather spend my wine dollars on Chilean Merlot or California Pinot, instead.

:-)
104 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
93 TTT

None of the Fine Falklands lassies would let him have his way with them when he was here with pimples on his chin in the late 70s. Either that or he found the Sub and therefore his problem was quite a different one.
105 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 08:54 am Report abuse
@104 Joe B.

He certainly sounds bitter and frustrated.

I suppose the Yorkshire Ripper has to do something in his retirement. Many old Pensioners are learning to use the computer, now. :-)
106 ManRod (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:43 am Report abuse
Chilean Merlot? There is no better than a Chilean Carmenere xD
107 Pete Bog (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:20 am Report abuse
@104
Crikey! Did he do the ratcatcher as well?
108 agentscrewed (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
93
Lady troy
all UK military are traitors
Briton loves the Junta
109 Kameron de gallina (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
me too,,,,I am the UK PM,,,,,I love the Junta,,,,,
I want another invasion,,,,
110 Srta.Sussie (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:29 am Report abuse
you see, briton is a traitor
111 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
@104

Notice the influence of the great late TTT: people impersonate either him or Tobias (using the screen name), or they see TTT behind every new pro-argie, or they evoke his superior debating skills (those were the days, that man could take on 12-20 anti-argies in debate in 10 different topics and not break a sweat)... and people even just type “TTT” out of habit to the wrong person.

TTT was the most influential force ever to have graced Mercopress. I can see why he has such a lasting legacy. He even has fanclubs and hate blogs across the web.

To you, TTT!!
112 Xect (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 12:17 am Report abuse
Haha Tobias, you've got a amusing sense of humor, I will give you that!

I actually think you are a decent guy, you just got tangled up in the hatred being exhibited from both sides and ended up endlessly trolling as opposed to genuinely adding good quality content to the debate like you did when you first joined.

Still we are all passionate about our countries and I often respond similarly.

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