Saturday, November 17th 2012 - 23:19 UTC

UK tells Spain any solution to fishing dispute must include Gibraltar government

UK has dismissed a comment by Spain’s Foreign Minister suggesting that Britain and Spain were poised to reach a bilateral solution to the fishing dispute. Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo said Spain was open to dialogue and that he and his British counterpart, William Hague, “talk a lot” about many issues, including Gibraltar

The Foreign Office denied any ‘bilateral talks’ as stated by Minister Garcia-Margallo

“I think I can say that in a very few days we are going to reach a solution that is satisfactory for both kingdoms,” he said during an interview on Spanish television.

But a spokesperson for the Foreign & Commonwealth Office on Friday night questioned the Spanish Foreign Minister’s statement and said any solution must involve Gibraltar.

“We are not aware of the solution which Mr Garcia-Margallo referred to in his interview” the spokesperson told the Gibraltar Chronicle.

“Clearly any negotiation or agreement relating to fishing in British Gibraltar Territorial Waters would need to involve Her Majesty’s Government of Gibraltar who are the authority with jurisdiction under Gibraltar’s Constitution.”

“The United Kingdom is confident of its sovereignty of those waters.”

“We continue to support efforts to establish dialogue on issues of mutual cooperation between Gibraltar, the UK and Spain.”

The Gibraltar Government said it had taken up the Spanish minister’s comments with the FCO and received “a categorical assurance” that there had been no such bilateral discussions or negotiations with Spain relating to Gibraltar.

“This is in keeping with the position repeatedly set out by the UK that it will not enter into a process of sovereignty negotiations with Spain on such Gibraltar matters as referred to by Garcia Margallo,” the Gibraltar Government said in a statement.

“It would therefore appear that Garcia Margallo’s statements are entirely incorrect.”

“Her Majesty’s Government of Gibraltar nonetheless remains strongly committed - as the United Kingdom has also repeatedly stated it is - to re-establishing the trilateral process of dialogue between Gibraltar, the UK and Spain on issues of mutual cooperation and which in the long term is in the interest of all relevant parties.”

During a wide-ranging interview on Cadena Ser Friday morning, the Spanish Foreign Minister repeated Spain’s often-stated position on the fishing dispute. He said the Guardia Civil would continue to protect Spanish fishermen as they fished “where they have always fished”.

Garcia-Margallo also stressed that Spain and the UK enjoyed good relations and shared many common interests.

“I want to have good relations with every country in the world, and certainly with the United Kingdom,” he said. “We have economic interests in the United Kingdom, many tourists come here.”

“I believe we have to work with the United Kingdom, but that is not to say we have to make concessions over what we consider important. We are open to dialogue.”

The interview came a day after Britain and Spain summoned each other’s respective ambassadors for a dressing down following the latest incidents in the Bay of Gibraltar this week.

 

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1 reality check (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 11:31 pm Report abuse
Here we go again, economic difficulties? in need a distraction? hey presto, Gibraltar.
2 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 12:04 am Report abuse
So its talk to the monkey, not the organ grinder...
3 Pirate Love (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 01:18 am Report abuse
neither, theres no talks on soverignty/fishing/weather or colour of sh*t with the spanish unless gibraltans wish so regarding gibraltas business, de ja vu.....
which would make the gibraltans boss/organ grinder of their own future, kinda goes with the whole SELF-DETERMINATION thing.
however just like The Falklands it pays to have big protection :)
4 Lord Ton (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 02:04 am Report abuse
Gibraltar IS the organ grinder !
5 Wireless (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 03:49 am Report abuse
However, who the monkeys are here is entirely a decision for the individual.
6 Santa Fe (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 08:57 am Report abuse
Thought they had Barbary apes in gib, little tykes they are. mischievous
And they steal food of tourists reminds me of Le Campora
7 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 09:49 am Report abuse
1 reality check

Always the spanish speaking cultures and the UK!!

Haven't we been here before?

So, my next question is........ When are they going to throw their toys out of the pram ( again ) and close the border?
8 Santa Fe (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
Lets hope so, why is the Spanish enclave in North Africa and Western Sahara not on a UN list???? or French guinana or Guam, Marshall Islands, to name but a few, come to think of it Hawaii isn't exactly on the Us back door is it. ny ideas anyone, trolls welcome as well
9 reality check (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
@7
Probably be stupid enough to something like that, will not stop British tourism of course, but it will slump and they will wind up losing money, when they need it most. I holiday in Spain, but if they do not want my money, then Greece is welcome to it. Another case of the inmates running the asylum. Pathetic, all those Spanish youngsters looking for jobs and they play silly buggers with their futures.
10 Anbar (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
“”“ but if they do not want my money, then Greece is welcome to it.”“”

exactly.. Greece is looking favourites for our money next year.
11 Conqueror (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
@2 Gibraltar is a self-governing territory, with the exception of defence and foreign affairs. These are the responsibility of another nation because Gibraltar, like another place thats names escapes me for the moment, is faced by a large, belligerent, imperialist, colonialist neighbour. The protecting nation is called Britain. Britain has experience of dealing with large, belligerent, imperialist, colonialist neighbours. In its role as the UN-recognised Administering Authority, Britain will follow the wishes of the people of Gibraltar.
@9 I used to enjoy going to Spain. There's a lovely place down in the south called Tarifa. Handy for Gibraltar as well. But the place is starting to get tyrannical again.
12 Pugol-H (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
I suspect this situation is going to escalate further, Spain backing itself into a corner like this.

However it will end in Spanish tears, ultimately the ECHR will rule in favour of Gibraltar, the British will enforce territorial integrity, and are in a position to exert considerable economic pressure on Spain “if push comes to shove”.

And Spain already on its knees.

Watch this space.
13 Xect (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
I've said it before and I will say it again, time for some gunboat diplomacy.

Send a destroyer/frigate to the area and order it too seize any un-authorised Spanish warship/police vessel it captures in the area.

Overnight the problem would disappear.
14 TipsyThink (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
A broké country has a báse at Gibraltar to cóunt the pássing ships.

What a zany world....Only píracy insidé of Europe.
15 reality check (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
Christ the RG's have a secret base on the Rock! quick someone dial 999!!!!!!
16 Conqueror (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
@14 Dribble. Sorry, drivel. You must try to learn to speak using your mouth instead of your arse. Oh, wait. Dribble arse. How accurately descriptive. Back to your books now, or you won't get out of infant school!
17 TipsyThink (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
16

I díd eagerly wánt to commént to the artícle of “” Horce Racing.....“”
but not opén.
18 Xect (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
Sheesh Tipsy, has google translate taken a day of rest? Because you are making no sense.....
19 TipsyThink (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
18

Google Translatíon is mércenary..

I am broke líke British ,so can't úse it.
20 Xect (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
An Argentine calling the British broke, oh the irony.

It's a bit like Mr Muscle calling Mike Tyson scrawny.....
21 TipsyThink (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
20

I am not from Argentina but from a more robust country than UK.
22 Brit Bob (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
Ban Ki Moon comes to mind again when he spoke on colonialism and said, 'People should be able to decide their own future.'

The people of Gibraltar have already decided where their future lies.
23 Xect (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
Not from Argentina but a more robust country? Where may that be because nowhere in SA is more robust than the UK!
24 brucey-babe (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/11/18/the-empire-strikes-back-u-k-beats-u-s-in-soft-power-survey-says/

This is where we stand in the world !
25 briton (#) Nov 18th, 2012 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
britain is NOT broke,
where you people get this is silly,

britain is doing relativly ok,
and when we come out of Europe, and get of that corupt gravy train, and stop bailing out your friends, britain will be even better of than we are now,

besides even if we were going downwards, it would only be the likes of spain and argentina we would land on,

still, again,
if we are broke, what does that make the likes of spain and argentina then.
26 DanyBerger (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 06:34 am Report abuse
@Briton

Britain is broke since long time ago and also going into a new recession.

The fact that UK keeps going by delaying it default by printing money and borrowing from abroad like crazy will not last forever.

Sorry mate but someone has to tell you the bad news...

“if we are broke, what does that make the likes of spain and argentina then.”

Spain is broke, Argentina is not broke anymore since long time ago.
27 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 07:28 am Report abuse
26 DanyBerger

I'm sorry, must have missed that “Britain is broke since long time ago and also going into a new recession” thing.........

and that utter b*ll*cks about “The fact that UK keeps going by delaying it default by printing money and borrowing from abroad like crazy will not last forever”

You don't keep up with current events much do you? The name of the game over here in EnglandLand is cut backs........ It has been ever since Came-moron and his little B*tch Nick Clegg came to power.

Cut backs in spending, that's why the new Aircraft carriers have been delayed and no borrowing!! Just, ( and I going to say something here that you will not understand ) paying back what we owe.

True, maybe the UK is still in recession or heading for a 3rd. but compared with Spain and Argentina ( sorry, do they even have a economy anymore? ) we are in GREAT shape.
28 Xect (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 07:31 am Report abuse
Ah good old Danny providing us with his informative and made up version of economics once more.

He makes statement with no facts other than his hope that somehow Argentina will become a mega power and Britain will default.

I'd say he's got more chance of winning the euro-lottery 15 times in a row than that ever happening LOL
29 TipsyThink (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 10:29 am Report abuse
23
Find whèré i àm from !
30 DanyBerger (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
@toooldtodieyoung & Xect

You don’t need to be a economy Guru to know that Britain if following the path of Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Island, Italy, etc.

You guys have 11 trillions US dollars debt to be repaid and that is a lot of money to be extracted from a little economy of 2 trillions.

Most of that debt is owe to foreigner lenders and in foreigner currencies so monetary policy will not work.
You have a big deficit in your trade balance in other words you import more of what you export and the gap last time I have checked was more than 150bn at year.

So you have to borrow more to pay imports and the debt grows, grows and grows.

That is one of the reason, you have arrived to such economy mess.

This is what anyone will tell that is a broken economy.

Now you have a large banking sector that still has the ability keep flowing money into your economy system like Island had before its collapse even having AAA rating.

So a little run in one of you banks or a bad rating or whatever and financial tsunami will be knocking at your doors mates.

Like happen with Greece, Spain, Italy, etc.

So be patient because is not your turn yet, “The Market” goes one by one and you are the BIG PIG and now they are entertained cooking the little ones.
31 Idlehands (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
Where's Island?
32 Conqueror (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
@19 Really? Doesn't cost me anything! Still, as the rules say, comment in English or we'll have to report your tripe.
@21 Let's see now. Can't speak English, pissed and less broke than Britain. Panama! Not that I care.
@26 You're obviously getting your papers two weeks late. Britain is coming OUT of recession. “Argentina is not broke anymore since long time ago.” If you're not broke, why do you have a “dollar clamp”? Why don't you pay your debts? Why don't you pay to get your 18th century “flagship” out of hock? Why don't you pay to get your 70s rustbucket out of dock? Why don't you use actual money to pay people?
@30 I'm afraid you really don't understand economics. But that's hardly surprising, is it? The only times that argieland has had a reasonable economy is either when the Brits were running it or when things generally were so good that it would have taken a brain-dead 1 year old to mess it up. It's a good job that no-one needs to be an “economy Guru” because you certainly aren't one. You fall more in the “brain-dead” category. If you're being paid, in any way, for making your comments, you should stop taking rewards under false pretences. Now, in order to serve the two purposes of reinforcing our economic viability AND warning you of what you might face, we are still building 2 LARGE aircraft carriers, the remaining FIVE large nuclear-powered submarines, the remaining 80 Typhoon multi-role aircraft, the remaining 12 Voyager MRTTs and we're gearing up for the F-35 Lightnings, the Type 26 frigates, the “Successor” SSBNs, the C3 Global Corvettes plus other miscellaneous “capabilities”. What are you thinking of getting? New elastic bands?
33 TipsyThink (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
Captain Yankeeconqueror ' s( except the crews) log book ..
just copied from internet bloggs...
34 Xect (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
Haha Danny, still at it are we?

Thanks for displaying to everyone you don't understand monetary policy, not in the slightest.

You are utterly confused by the debt situation as ever, when you say 11bn in debt, well yes it may exist but not in the format you describe.

As for trade deficit, as ever this is how modern economies work in times of recession. You can operate a negative balance if you have money in the bank to do so (which the UK does) and quite frankly a 150bn gap is actually very small for a economy the size of the UK's.

Take some big numbers out of context, spin them and you have some doom and gloom story even if it belies the overall situation.

So 1,000bn is in Gilts (government bonds, low yield) some of which have a very long life (50 years) and 1bn in bank interventions. The 1,000bn in bank interventions is tied to real assets and a return is expected so isn't a debt per se even if it is classed as such (notice I'm using the UK bn standard).

The UK is quite frankly a extraordinarily wealthy nation compared to Argentina.
35 briton (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
26
perhaps you have proof of this debt,
you said on the other blog, britain owes 11 billion,
please can you show the evidence.
36 MurkyThink (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
England is worse than broke.
37 Conqueror (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
@36 Can you see this bullet? It has your name on it!
38 DanyBerger (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 07:13 am Report abuse
@Xect

The only one that cannot understand the in with Britain is you guys.

11 Trillions (and not bn) is the whole debt what includes Public debt denominated in Pounds and owed to local lenders and the external debt of the public sector (UK govt) plus Privates (Lake Bankers and BM) to foreigner lenders and denominated in foreign currencies (Like US dollars, Euros, Yens, Yuan, etc).

If one of these private banks cannot meet its debt the UK govt will have to intervene (bail out like RBS and NR stuff), like Spain have done with Bankia, like the Irish have done with therir banks, like Greece, etc. else the entire financial sector will collapse together with the whole economy.

If UK refuses to bailout the banks (A possibility but no for UK a banking sector dependent nation) the market will start pressing UK govt even by stopping the lending to the UK govt.

“The 1,000bn in bank interventions is tied to real assets and a return is expected so isn't a debt per se even if it is classed as such”

Only a naive person like you can believe that, that is the way bailouts are selling to the public but as everyone knows banks in trouble are a negative asset because they have nothing to back the amount of money they owe. You need to understand how Fractional banking system works first.

“notice I'm using the UK bn standard”

Well this explains a lot there is not such UK standard to start with else long scale number used everywhere invented by French mathematician.

Since long time ago (1974) in Britain is not used anymore the long scale number instead is used the American version (short scale number expression).

@ briton

I will show the evidence I you can show me the evidence that Zimbabwe owes money.
39 Brit Bob (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
@26

Argentina has more trade disputes running than any other country in the World; is the World's top protectionist country; is regarded as a pariah state by most international money lenders; will get the Red Card from the IMF for not producing acurate information on growth and inflation; is down in 100th place in the World's Corruption Index sandwiched in between Benin and Burkina Faso.

Argentina is a Banana Republic!
40 Xect (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
Oh Danny, did you really write that?

Still you've made alot of assumptions and nearly all of them are entirely incorrect. Given your economic ability you'd fit right in with the INDEC staff.

Keep up the good work!
41 Anbar (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
“”“Still you've made alot of assumptions and nearly all of them are entirely incorrect. ”“””

i'd rather listen to him than all the blase people claiming the Uk can easily handle its debt.

When, at the very minimum of 1 trillion debt, that means every single working person in the UK is £17,000 in debt..and thats the very, very, very lowest figures.

pretty stupid thinking that that isnt a BIG problem...let alone acting like it isnt.
42 DanyBerger (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 05:46 am Report abuse
@Xect

My statements about economy are quite right may be don’t fit your standard indoctrination from the media and the “economist gurus” with diplomas from unis with patronage of the neocons and bankers. But that is another thing.

What logic is that a country or person has to live on debt as a normal standard?

Is that will be the standard wouldn’t be any lender because they also would live in debt.

So lenders promote spending and debt until you reach a situation that you cannot handle your debt and then you become an easy target to be charge to whatever interest they want to keep alive, while sacrificing your assets whatever they are.

Meanwhile you spend they lend and when money become a “scarce commodity” people, companies, etc. will sell them to meet their financial obligations and then again they acts as financiers of the new buyers or they buy for a third of the value those assets.

So from my point of view the Fractional Banking System will have to be abolish and the money supply only will have to be manage for the govt. banks just to have in balance the sufficient amount of money to keep the economy going and expanding.

After all is what money is all about, just a commodity to make easy trade and should be in balance with the economy size.
43 briton (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
stop changing the subject
and prove it.

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