Argentina insists with Malvinas during UN ceremony with Ban Ki-moon
Argentina is strongly committed with multilateralism and trusts in the UN to reach a fair, peaceful and long lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute in the Malvinas issue, said Ambassador Maria Cristina Perceval during her Friday credentials presentation ceremony with Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.
Ambassador Perceval replaces Jorge Argüello currently ambassador in Washington, and when Argentina prepares to join the Security Council as a non permanent member next January and for two years.
“Argentina is strongly committed to multilateralism as the best reply to the challenges of peace and international security and other challenges such as the economic crisis that is shocking the world, sustainable development and the unrestricted respect for human rights” pointed out Perceval during the ceremony.
The new ambassador also underlined that “Argentina trusts in the UN action to reach a fair, peaceful and long lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute relative to the Islas Malvinas question”.
Ban Ki-moon recalled the latest meetings with President Cristina Fernandez and praised her leadership in different fields of international relations. He also congratulated Argentina for having been chosen to join the Security Council and expressed his confidence on the constructive role that the country would display.
Ms Perceval insisting with the Malvinas issue said “it was a colonial situation characterized by the UN doctrine as ‘special and particular’ in the agenda of decolonization process”.
“All the region in the framework of Unasur and Celac are closely following the good offices task entrusted to the Secretary General by the UN General Assembly to contribute to the resumption of negotiations with the UK to reach a solution to the sovereignty dispute over the Falklands/Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and surrounding maritime spaces”, said the Argentine diplomat.
Finally she underlined Argentina’s full willingness to help the UN Secretary General in its current mission, “hoping that the UK complies with its obligation to establish a dialogue to solve this chronic colonial dispute”.
Ms. Perceval served as Under-Secretary for Human Rights at the Ministry of Justice and Human Rights in Buenos Aires from 2010. In 2009, she was Under-Secretary for Institutional Reform and Strengthening of Democracy in the Argentine Presidency.
Elected Senator for the province of Mendoza in 2001, and re-elected in 2003, Ms. Perceval served in the Senate, the upper house of the Argentine National Congress, until 2009, during which time she presided over several committees, including the Committee on National Defence.
Before entering politics, Ms. Perceval was Professor of advanced epistemology at the National University of Cuyo from 1998 to 2001, having previously been Assistant Professor of the history of sciences, philosophy and metaphysics at the same institution between 1990 and 2001.
From 1988 to 1992, she was Project Director of Research on Epistemology, Gender Studies and Human Rights.
She founded and was Director of the Institute of Social Management at the University of Aconcagua. Ms. Perceval is married and has three children.
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What obligation would that be? Ah thats right, more lies as per usual.
These people are so dumb after Ban Ki Moon said that the UK wasn't breaching any rules, obligations or anything else and that it was for the people of the Falklands to choose their future as per the rule of self determination.
It's clear the UN sides with the right of the people of the Falkland's islands, case closed.
There is no dispute. Argentina is like a neighbour that wants a piece of your garden. They are not entitled to it so the dispute is only in the tiny minds of the individuals who make claim to it when therte is NO entitlement.
Remember: 1850 Convention of Settlement treaty ' State of Perfect Harmony had been restored between Britain and Argentina'.
Remember: Address to Argentine Congress by President Sariento on 1 July 1869 in which he said, 'The country had no claims on other nations'.
Remember: No claims on sovereignty submitted by Argentina between 1850 and 1941 - a gap of 50 years or more between claims on sovereignty means that any previous claim is considered defunct.
Remember - the right to self determination by the Falkland Islanders under the UN Charter.
as long as argentinas gets the answer its never going to get, :)
and im sure the UN will reach a fair and lasting solutions once they have witnessed the fair and free Democratic 2013 falklands referendum, Good Day!
I am sure Perceval got the job by promising CFKC she could force the issue and get the island for her. You only have to tell to looney what she wants to hear and then stay away as much as possible.
It is the other way, you need a piece of land in SAm for your interests in oil, geographic and resources.
and when will you learn geographics does not entitle you instant ownership of another peoples land theres a little thing called SELF-DETERMINATION these days, should try looking it up its a good read.
The Falkland's are not owned by the UK, they are owned by the people of the Falkland Island's, all the UK does is provide defense and diplomacy to the people of the Falkland Island's that request it.
And as such the position of the UK in relation to the Falkland Islands has no relevance to ANY argument.
It beggars belief just how stupid, vain and arrogant they sound.
Anyone like to guess where her people emmigrated from?
Also she should have realised by now that the UN has no jurisdiction over the affairs of the Falkland Islands.
The IMF is also in town on December 17th with their 'red card' - they are still producing misleading statistics on growth and inflation.
The Peso will no doubt have to be devalued.
Merry Christmas Argentina!
See that word HUMAN RIGHTS keeps cropping up, two faced twat, what about the Falkland Islanders HUMAN RIGHTS, and whats gender studies? looking at willys and things?
The statement, taken in conjunction with Ban ki-moons previous comments is a pretty significant climb-down and cooling-off of Argentina's previously aggressive stance taken via the C24 (and by CFK).
It is, too all intents & purposes saying “OK, we wont go against the UN, even if they have just shut the door in our face”.
Pretty significant in its even-handedness and calm wording imo.
I can only think she is a hypocrite, deceiving herself as well as others.
Epistemology:
The study of knowledge, particularly the distinction between justified belief and opinion.
:- )
Thanks for that, I thought it was Wepissemoffology.
When she means is it's everybodys right to have a willy! sorry, I mean 50% of us have the right to a willy. Hang on a minute, come to think of it, yep, the other 50% also have a right to a willy, if you get my meaning!
C24 has run it's course and currently exceeds it's mandate. When in the time when territories was controlled by the ruling country, and the territory had limited to no say over their destiny, c24 had a purpose. The remaining so called “colonies” are self governed and choose to remain a territory and the country they choose accept that relationship. They can hang all the funny degrees on all the walls they want to and nothing is going to change. Pick up your bags Argentina, move on and deal with your debt.
@22 Hope you're right. Can we have all the malvinistas shot?
@28 Perhaps the next time the Falkland Islanders attend the C24 they should take a couple of Uzis in their diplomatic bag.
Well Argentina can trust as much as she likes, the simple fact is that it is not going to happen. Sovereignty will never pass to them.
As for trust, I was always taught that trust was a commodity that was best earned, usually by example.
So as far as I can see, Argentina has a long, long way to go before the FI's, after all, they are who this is all about, trusts them.
Seems like the usual philosophical approach to wishy washy pseudo-science to me. You could see it as a load of bollocks but obviously this woman is not stupid, she got a full-time career out of this nonsense.
Now if she had a PhD in astrophysics, mathematics or some other qualification that involved using her brain and not navel gazing I would be interested in what she might say.
Opponent for TMBOA at the next election, assuming the Mad Bitch is still alive?
I've tried and I can not think of a single one. Now I am not a diplomat, but If I can recognise that, why can they not?
So why are they wasting their time in the U? , it never has happened and it never will.
No madam It is thy death knell politically”
She made a public media appearance with Nan Ki-moon and was obligated to her government to repeat the party line.
Words that have not been echoed by Ban Ki Moon, who is continually emphasising Independence for former colonies, not colonisation by other powers.
The 2013 referendum is going to make Argentine membership of the UN Security Council a fairly miserable event for them, especially if the MLA's continue to complain about the clearly biased C24 committteee who are supposed (acccording to Ban Ki Moon), to visit the territories on the C24 list not to ignore them.
Argentina thinks it can simply bypass the UN Charter with regard to the Falkland Islands.
It can't .
Well, yes. Grammatically that would be a correct assumption. However, in modern times, one would acknowledge the raison d'etre of thought, and purpose of the comment, innit.
If I remember right Simon68 has had some involvement in the Emergency Services, ambulance or fire, not sure and been involved in earthquake, rescue/relief. People like that tend to have things in perspective. Also, much deserving of respect and he has mine.
Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:59 pm
I am sorry I know, I am being pedantic. I am sure that you didn't mean it the way it came across.
Argentina will cease to have any significance in the UN - except as the poor man of South America with a constant hand out for charity. Of course no one (except Chavez) will help them, as they defaulted on their debts, by their own fault, because they voted a psychotic idiot (off her medication) to be president.
The only reason that Argentina was voted onto the Security Council was because CFK tried to bribe as much support as she could get from other countries. The rest were using their vote to try and stick one on Britain, as most countries carry some grudge or other. They don't care one fig for the Falklands dispute, but any opportunity to have a go at the UK and they are in their. The Foreign Office really ought to inspect the list of countries that voted for Argentina and tell the Ministry for Overseas Aid to remove these countries from their list.
Argentina will be further side-lined at the UN if they try to raise the Falklands in the Security Council. Not only would the UK veto it, but France and the US would too. When Kretina's bribes are no longer coming (because she's departed to her permanent holiday home in the Caribbean) the support for the Argies will disapate and they will become a joke, or a lesson to other nations not to let despots take over.
The whole world will see the results of the Falkland Islands Referendum. They will see that these people want to determine their own future free of control by a basket case neighbour. The Falkland Islanders have a bright future, Argentina does not.
Not soon enough!!
When it comes to a vote, the UK has a veto and that must really be annoying.
Stanby for a campaign to change the format of the council.
I think your right but now I think things are changing, David Cameron has finally grown a pair of bollocks and will hopefully not bow down to the rest of the EU surrender monkeys ref budgets etc and I think France and Germany are starting to see the same point of view (at last), which will leave rgenweener in a world of hurt. Argentina on the security council will be exposed as the frauds they are I'm afraid, to provide security you need something to provide, which in argentinas case is severly lacking.
There is nothing to talk about, and banki moon knows it,
It does not help when this fools keeps giving hope to losers all the time,
Unless he fancies CFK .
The UK government should just tell her to P.O.
And leave it at that,
Still
Giving dead rats hope just increases the plague.
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thinkafricapress.com/international-law-africa/sovereignty
Mate, Argentina can stay on the council till hell freezes over. Our veto will always be there. They can not do a damn thing about it and that must really piss them off.
It is simple really, when you ave to make decisions that effect the world, you have to have experience in world politics and they simply do not have that experience.
It's a bit like my local pubs football team playing in the premier league.
There's nothing stopping them (the decent folk) from running for government. Tackling the institutional corruption would be difficult, but if enough decent people join forces they can do anything.
As a wise man once said: “A journey of 1000 miles starts with one step...”
Is to tell em to grow up,[CFK ,
The rest have minor implications that will be solved in time,
No border or sovereignty disputes to worry abt,
A totally different kettle of fish ,to African countries,
As for the Falklands, CFK has no claim, and the UN is aware the basic fact that people have a right to decide who governs them, and at this moment in time they prefer to remain British, with a view to future independence,
But sadly CFK and the argentine government refuse this right,
The only problem is argentines refusal to let others decide their own future, and mind their very own business.
End of.
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Those Argentinians who without a by your leave, would expel the Islanders or seek to change their way of life by decree and not consultation. As evidenced in their behaviour during their illegal occupation.
So what about the decent Argentinians, well so far, their absence belies any confidence that an exchange of sovereignty, god forbid, would benefit the Islands.
You missing Argentines, ask yourself this? Why would a people exchange a way of life, has they percieve it, not you percieve it, for a way of life that leaves them worse off? Answer, they would not, would you?
Slatzzz is right, use all and every legal means at their disposal to propogate their claim. Resort to force and we will respond, just has we responded on the previous occasion. Only bear this in mind, in 82 we were unprepared, we adapted and we overcame. The circumstances, in main, due to their invasion have changed. We are ready if needs be and be assured, we will prevail again.
the referendum however will show the world The falklands true wishes, but unfortunately i think will fall on mainly deaf argentine ears, nothing will change for the majority of argentines their misinformation/Ignorance is certainly deep rooted and ongoing!
A poll would be interesting to see the percentage of argentines who still truly believe their falkland claim before and after the referendum,
just out of curiousity.
They only way forward for Argentina is acceptance, but i dont expect them to.
I am not sure that the majority of Argentinians have that outlook, Peronists? yeah, for sure. Some how I do not think that they are all Peronists, unfortunately though, their recent political past has been dominated by this type of political breed. Somewhere in Argentina, maybe has we type, is an Argentine who will change that mind set, shit thirty years ago , who would have predicted the fall of the soviet union!!!!!
Then and only then, perhaps the Islanders and I stress Islanders, will sit down with their neighbours and come some accord. but not until then!!!
Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:23 pm
If they stopped the indoctrination in the schools then maybe not.
Ahhh that simple. Wyatt THATCHER!!!!!
is her face capable of expression?
Seriously, of there are any negotiations, CFK will not be at the table.
She will be long dead or have long vamoosed!
.Help me out mate. Have a big secret santa problem at work. Drew my boss, turns out he's an ex Ganges Boy. knew there was something I liked about the man. Tenner Max to spend, been on the net looking for a good book for him, any ideas. Appreciate any suggestions. By the way, he's on 90 grand a year. not bad for a blanket stacker!!
Ask a Gurkha, they eat them for breakfast!
@71 Slatzzz
Sounds like an Elton John song! LMFO putting your words to that music!!!
Cheers, found just what I needed, he's a Mancunian, think he's fed up getting their paraphanalia every Crimbo.
People used to believe that the Mafia ran Italy. In truth, it's the big businessmen who use the Mafia, but wield economic power over the masses.
A large number of Italians emigrated to Argentina & brought with them the mentality that it is every person for themselves & forget the rest. Over time, this point of view has become socially engrained & acceptable. To the point where the population expect the politicians to have their hands in the cookie jar. That's why they accept CFK's theft of the millions from Sante Fe province. They don't expect any politician to be altruistic. Probably don't even understand the concept. Argentines have tolerated some pretty awful circumstances over the years. The midnight arrest raids and bodies floating out to sea. The problem is that they cannot find anyone honest to take over the country. So the same old corrupt individuals keep screwing up the economy, whilst robbing the country blind.
I believe that the problem starts at an early stage. Argentine children are brought up to believe that they have to take advantage of others or they will never succeed in life. They are indoctrinated with a false history of the Falkland Islands. They are told that it is their patriotic national duty to recover them. They are spoon fed these lies and as they have no opportunity to find out the truth, they believe them. The young conscripts who invaded the Islands in 82 could not understand why they were not welcomed with open arms by the oppressed inhabitants.
There are some progressive Argentines who want the best for their country, but they are very few in number. There are also some that visited the islands & know the truth.
If Argentina ever does get some decent politicians which I doubt, then they could do a lot worse than trade with the Falkland Islanders & send school children on visits.
No problems mate, ordered on of those Thermo Mugs with a HMS Ganges crest and a stores assistants badge to put inside, bit over budget, but what the hell, something unique to the man! Thanks for the link.
@78
What? your telling us what we already know, that those with money want more and could not give a shit who they fuck to get it!
www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2012/bio4429.doc.htm
Argentines would rather forget that they lost the war in 82 and why they lost it. They blame Britain - not themselves. They stand around a flag or a monument and sing their national anthem, whilst honouring the people that fell in battle and promising to return and capture the Islands.
The problem is that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
But you can teach a young dog the truth and get them to understand reality and work with it.
Half the problem is a lack of understanding of the true history. Argentines are spoon fed lies, but they don't know it's lies. If those children were given a chance to see the Islands for themselves and see how the Falkland Islanders live - as British people living on land they've lived on for 200 years, then they might accept that there is a different point of view.
Argentina needs to mature. They need to come to terms with the fact that these Islands are not theirs. They need to realise that they cannot demand someone else hand over their territory. They need to learn that you cannot win anything by wars of aggression. They need to understand that the true way to find peace and stability, is to trade with the Islanders, do cultural visits to them, find out what it means to be an Islander and respect them, their way of life and the right to determine their own destiny.
Argentina will never stop being aggressive towards the Islanders, until they can come to terms with their colonial attitude. Argentina was a colony and still has a colonial outlook - to seize land and occupy it, as they did in Patagonia. They need to learn that this is unacceptable in the modern world.
The only way to win friends is through trade, trust and respect.
That in itself is such a broad stroked statement if ever their was one. Not sure how many Argentines you know, but most of the ones I know, visit and communicate are not indoctrinated. That would be like my believing that all Brits have bad teeth, we Americans all wear cowboy hats and boots. You find a turd for an Argentine here, in the country you are less likely to find these types, but in the poverty areas you will.
This web site does not reflect the actual nature of any country.
Well said, my teeth are not bad, I take them out every night, clean them and put them in a glass of water beside my bed.
Nov 25th, 2012 - 12:41 am
Good post Nige'. Nicely thought out.
If only.
True, except for one thing, Argentines do not believe they lost the war, they blame the war on the junta. The junta lost the war, not Argentina. It is their way of coping with the humiliation of defeat. Believe me that is how they think about it! how they cope with it. Shame, because I do not want to see it happen again.
On an historical point, just what did they think would happen if they attacked a nation with 2000 years of a history of warfare. incredulous, gobsmacking, shitfucking, stupidity, no other words for it! I repeat 2000 years of recorded history of warfare, just beyond comprehension!
ferfal.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Argentina
He hates CFK and knows that one day the SHTF (Shit will Hit The Fan). The blog is up to date and it paints a different perspective on Argentine life. I feel genuinely sorry for him. He remarked that he knew a middle-class woman in 2008 who asked if there was someone, anyone, even someone dying of cancer, who could put a bullet through Kretina's head!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Din9CqlYsNk&feature=colike
Nov 25th, 2012 - 08:05 am
Sorry mate I watched it and it looks like a fair report. I can't speak Spanish though, can you give us the gist of what these people are saying please?
What has happened to civilisation in Argentina?
to your mate Slatzz,
If I may interject, a good book of `Argentine War Heroes` comes to mind plus there is a bonus of lots of change out of your tenner !
The police didn't turn up as it was 'government' sanctioned violence, similar to when they attacked the British Embassy earlier this year.
They are like the Nazi's in this regards. The Nazi Party would organise protests pointing to the 'enemy' who was responsible for all the ills of the German people (the jews in this case), work them up into a frenzy, and let them lose. They even had 'organisers' in the background directing attacks against Jewish shops and businesses.
But as the Nazi Party weren't 'directly' involved they would shrug and say it was the 'will' of the people, while remaining 'blameless' themselves.
In this case you only need to swap Nazi for Peronist, Jew for Falkland Islanders/British, but the rest of the modus operandi is the same.
The government direct from behind the scenes, then say they are not responsible, whilst at the same time 'blaming' the Falklanders/British for all the ills of Argentina - a convenient scape goat, espeically when they themselves have cause ALL the ills of Argentina through corruption and complete incompetence.
The main difference here is that the Falklanders are well protected, unlike the poor unfortunate victims of Nazi Germany.
They let convicted murderers out of jail, so long as they support Kretina and are willing to murder on her behalf.
As the Mafia run the Government, the Police are powerless to control crime. There are now areas of Argentina which are no better (or worse) than the American Wild West, where the law belonged to the person with the biggest gun. Crime is so bad that most muggings end up with the victim being killed. Even the most secure and richest areas have rampant crime.
The military are powerless to act. CFK made sure that they were neutered, as they were the only people capable of bringing her dictatorship to a prompt end.
In truth, the only way to bring CFK's reign of terror to an end would be for someone close to her to assassinate her. But she's well aware of this. I suspect the real reason that she cancelled so many trips abroad was nothing to do with her health, more to do with preventing a coup d'etat whilst she was away.
It reminds me of Hitler's Germany. You might even believe that Kretina organised the takeover and the elections with assistance from ex-Nazis (if most of them weren't already dead) and is using the criminals to control the population.
What Argentina needs is a few good men to step up and carry out a proper military style coup. The problem then is who do they hand the country over to? I wouldn't trust any Argentine businessmen, because they've been forced to work within corrupt system at present. The Judges and the legal system are equally suspect. There maybe some in the Universities who might be honest enough to do a good job, but would they want to end up on the receiving end of Kretina's revenge?
Argentina could do a lot worse then let Chile or Uruguay invade and take over. The poor are already starving. Expect to see reports from new crews of starvation in a country that used to produce masses of food. The end is not long away now.
Some interesting concepts there. But assasination or war isnt the answer. It just produces anarchy and lets the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse out of the stable. Yes the end is nigh politically for the botox queen. Perhaps that anorexic Ghandi had the right idea ; just dont pay your taxes! We all have a right to strike, so show your disapproval of your govt by not paying them. But after Cristina who or what? Another lot of from the corrupt political classes intent on enriching themselves at the expenses of the folk they supposedly represent? I cant see a solution, Can you?
Btw, Think has gone awful quiet just lately. Gone fishing again maybe?
Are there any ICCEA members who comment here ?
www.counterpunch.org/2010/04/09/silent-coup/
you really are showing your stupidity now LightThink
was just sinless question...
what about your panic ?
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[ 101
you should use english language more carefully......
“ airhead ”“ has also the meaning of ”“ a person who protected at enemy zone ”“0r ”“enemy controlled region ””..however i am only a free man. !
hhhmmm...
sorry...i figured it out as “” enemy person “” .
just learned...
You mean “ parachute man ”” !
#95 How would you remove someone from power in England? In the USA....Obama won just over 61 million and Romney won just over 58 million. That is 119 million out of 319 million people.....I am sure England has better turnout but the point is that just because someone wins does not mean they have the population and I don't think a coup is the best answer as it does nothing for democracy as does assassination, this country has seen it's share. hey people need to get a process going to to vote out her minions in the mid terms. That's the only way change will take place in Argentina. Unfortunately the Stockholm takes affect after a while. I the USA we've been sick of all the candidates making it to the general election and many people just say fuck it.
@95 I pretty much agree with your assessment of the Argentine psyche. The idea of getting something for nothing is perfectly acceptable. They don't pay taxes, dodge train fares, toll charges, anything to best 'the system'. There is no sense of the social contract you would expect in a society that claims to be socialist.
In my experience there the people have the attitude that all politicians lie and steal so they just vote for the person they think they can personally gain from. The education of the masses is pretty bad and that ensures a large section of society will never really get out of poverty or ignorance.
You said:
”30 Joe Bloggs Nov 17th, 2012
I can assure you that no cruise ships will be stopped for political reasons in 12/13.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/17/planning-for-when-the-2016-airport-st-helena-after-closer-links-with-faklands
I say….:
Oooooooooooops……:
”It is believed that a visit to Stanley by the cruise ship the AIDAcara has been cancelled due to pressure from Argentina.”
”The cruise ship the Veendam also recently cancelled two visits to Stanley. When asked whether the Veendam’s cancellations were due to pressure from Argentina, MLA Summers said that the cancellations had been suspicious.”
www.firs.co.fk/news.php
Three canceled cruise ships for political reasons……….. And we are still in November….........
Your assurances are not very reassuring, Mr Bloggs……
For this reason I support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina, other then that all this innuendo is always entertaining for fools alike, Mercopress gets a 8 out of 10 for trying. Too bad that the mentioning of any resolution to the conflict is used to work the English up into a frenzy and spread lies and more war mongering innuendo, Brits history in the world can be an eye opener for anyone willing to understand how theft and murder is conducted worldwide.
I'm sure the malvinistas see me as troll, which makes me very proud!!!!!
For those who are interested, one of the major culprits for Argentina's terribly poor showing, both politically and economically is a chap called Ernesto Laclau who teaches a mad sort of leftist ideology at Essex University. Here is the Wikipedia page about him: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Laclau
He has this thing about populist governance and apears to have convinced the kirchnerist rabble to experiment on Argentina. I guess he will write a paper on it showing why it was such a failure!!!!!!
No sane person has a chance of bringing Argentina into the modern world until the people realize that peronism will never produce that which it promises. Peronism is NOT an ideology, it is an operating system for storing up power and dependes on a badly educated, desperately poor voting base. Until it is done away with Argentina will go on being a very third world banan republic!!!!!!
By 'England' I assume you mean the UK.
Well it depends on the circumstances. The electorate could vote them out at the next general election.
The government could get a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons, which usually means its time for the PM to go.
In the case if a hung parliament where both the government and opposition aren't acting in the best interests of the country - in other words a stalemate where nothing is getting done in the country, and they can't come to a working arrangement, Her Majesty the Queen can dissolve Parliament and call an immediate general election. The Civil Service is non-partisan and keeps the country 'ticking over' until there is a new government.
@110 - Pirat
How we've missed your nuclear weapon rants.
However it wouldn't matter if Argentina had a nuke or not, the Falklands would remain under the government that their people want.
Any use of a nuclear weapon against the Falklands would see Argentina wiped off the map. But you don't care about that do you? You live in Canada.
Welcome to mainland Argentina.
I wish we had an overseer like that!
Elaine, I disagree with you, I don't think you know the mind of the American tourist.
regardless of any cancellations The Hardy Falklands folk will still be there resilient as ever practising their right to SELF-DETERMINATON, a human right argentina cannot interfere with.
Heres to Argentinas suffering, and the Falklands prosperity long may they both continue!
There speaks the only sane, clear thinking man in the whole of Argentina..............
What tourist shot in Florida?
These ones……?:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8459813/Britons-shot-in-Florida-killed-as-part-of-gang-initiation.html
Or are you referring to those two innocent and law abiding Americans that followed a total stranger up to a fifth floor apartment near Florida Street with the declared intention of changing their dollars in the black market and who got duly robbed and shot during their ”little voluntary flirt” with the local shady elements…......
www.clarin.com/inseguridad/Asalto-Centro_0_815918525.html
What a pair of turnips…..
What obligation? What chronic colonial dispute? What dialogue?
“and trusts in the UN to reach a fair, peaceful and long lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute in the Malvinas issue”
We already solved that one didn't we? that's why we have troops stationed here, to stop the little buggers from trying to create a “long lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute”. ( like they tried to back in 1982 ).
All this does is unline how totally out of place the UN is when trying to “deal” with this kind of “chronic colonial dispute” If this clown Ban Ki-moon had ANY sense he would have smiled and just said “Talk to the islanders”
Now, there will be the usual parade of hollywood has-beens and out-of-touch nobel peace prize winners and aging pop stars all eager for last bit of limelight in the twilight of their years, spouting on about how this needs to be “settled” and wouldn't it be great this was “sorted” out but not one has ever listened to what the islanders want..........
I remember, in Bowling for Columbine, Maralyn Manson ( whose music was partly blamed for the shootings ( duh!! ) ) was asked what he would do. He said “I would listen to the people and find out what they want, because no one has done that yet” well, UN.... please take note.
No, strike that. Your attitude sounds typical of the young La Campora thugs and sleazebag a that post on here.
The lesson to be learned is as a tourist, you can easily be victimised by trusting others.
In Argentina, friendly visitors can lose their lives this way and the locals find it amusing, to boot !!
All foreigners it seems are despised and there to be plundered, it seems.
From what I've read by Argentinians on here and about Argentinisns, elderly people who want to bring their money and retire in Argentina peacefully, are particularly reviled and laughed at when they are robbed.
I don't see anything redeeming in your culture or your society.
Truly best that foreigners stop going there. Your middle class is already living under siege, holed up in their homes - what a way to live.
The Falklanders are right to keep you at arm's length.
Isn't there some UN treaty about not letting retards have nuclear weapons?
If there is isn't, then there ought to be..............
HEAR “THINK” ARGENTINA>>>>>PAY YOUR BILLS< HE CALMS YOU ARE TURNIPS!!!
I don't think that companies trying to protect their staff from thugs wielding baseball bats counts as 'political reasons'.
Although I'm prepared to concede that this might be what constitutes a political process where you come from.
Pitiful. You couldn't get anywhere by legal means so your government hires hooded criminals to try some strong arm tactics. It rather puts your poor woman at the UN blithering on about 'peace and dialogue' out on a limb, doesn't it? Who in their right minds would even consider allowing us to be handed over to you lot? Apart from your neighbours, who you've also bought with similar tactics.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9701416/Falklands-Britain-calls-on-European-Union-to-pile-pressure-on-Argentina.html
Kristallnacht
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4aXjC_MKr4
Hold your horses, feed your chicken and stop whining my dear Kelperette……
..... - “No government hired no hooded criminals here” - ……
The Cruise companies have been, since more than three years, duly warned and informed about the heightening tensions over the ”Malvinas Issue” and about their participative role and responsibility in the said issue........
Put simply….. They will have to choose……. Argentina or the Falklands…..
Let the best tourist destination win….
Someone asked where are all the Argies tonight,
Near the end, they come in swarms,
There supervisor tells em what to say, and they all flood on at the same time.
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Poor indocronoughts,
They miss the opening story,
And jump in half way through with assumptions,
And lose the arguments,
Still
If you look through keyholes, expect a black eye [boot polish]]. Lolol.
.
Tactics like the obviously government sponsored (see the same rag-head towels ALWAYS worn by these cowards) terrorists must mean you lot are scared witless: oh I forgot, you bunch don’t have any wits, of how successful the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) are at diplomacy when compared to the idiots you have making the country look like a complete bunch of loons. At least they get that bit right without knowing it.
Laughing over two innocent but stupid people who were murdered? We know they were stupid, they went to Argentina, but this attitude is what we have come to expect from a bitter and twisted old has-been of your ilk. Found any Policia in Chubut lately after all their troubles? Mind you, who in their right mind would involve the Policia in anything knowing full well the likelihood of being killed by them anyway?
I can see the end in sight for what is left of the so called ‘society’ in your country; I just hope you are in the vanguard when the TMBOAs thugs come to Chubut.
Burnt and smashed Swede anyone?
Direct from the horse’s mouth……:
www.facebook.com/sulivanshipping/posts/425871300799820
”We have just had word that the AIDAcara due to visit on the 3rd December has cancelled her visit due to the current POLITICAL SITUATION in Argentina. A huge blow for all involved, lets hope this doesn't continue throughout the season”
I say....:
A huge blow for all involved, lets hope this does continue throughout the season...........
Are we surprised Argentina keeps finding new lows? No
This won't change anything in the grand scheme of things and as ever with Argentine politics and economics, short sighted thinking that will continue to backfire and destroy Argentina. CFK scored a spectacular own goal just this week doing just the same.
Argentina doesn't need any enemies, it is its own biggest enemy.
“No police were on hand to intervene and no subsequent arrests have followed”
mmmm, not really suprised though, La campora probably has the police on their payroll.
This sounds just like the rent-a-mob that attacked the British embassy....
By the way, does anyone know who planted the bomb that exploded in BA a couple of week after the embassy was attacked? or ( as expected ) are there “no leads”???
135 Think
Forget trying to sound sincere, I can almost see you smiling as you post, The very fact that you address them as “other Kelpers” shows you to be lacking in human emotion.
You have the emotional range of a teaspoon and wouldn't know sincerity if it sat on your face and wiggled.
No they don't.
Your lot came in 1982 with lots of guns but did not prevail.
“but if history can surely show us that people with the guns always prevailed”
.........Like I said, somewhere there is a village that is missing it's idiot
3.bp.blogspot.com/-RS3FaDaj1to/UK_RUjVB-7I/AAAAAAAAGK8/4C99vJbIsWk/s1600/penguin.JPG
Chuckle chuckle©
We've already won. If that's the best you can come up with, then you must be pretty desperate.
At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, your attitude sounds pretty familiar... 'You have been warned...for your own safety....we can't be held responsible'. State endorsed smashing up of property of people who don't agree with your 'political' views. Nice.
There were Argentines here in 1982 who wanted to kill every last Falkland Islander. Due to the well- documented courage of a few individuals, it didn't happen, but there are times when I think it was a close run thing. And you're all still there, aren't you, hiding behind your 'peace and justice' nonsense.
Given the fact that we know this, don't you think all this posturing over cruise ships is a bit pointless?
1) That minor demostration with the Quebracho people had very little to do with the cancelation of the Cruise Ships......
This has been brewing for a long time, as I have said many times before and as you can read on the Friday's Penguin I posted at (141).....
2) Police was present in force under Quebracho's demostration in front of that travel agency and, as a matter of fact, the only glass window that was broken, was smashed by the police......
3) No “posturing” over no cruise ships here.....
Just another nail on the British colonial aspirations coffin in the South-Atlantic.....
BWHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHH
That definitely scores comedy post of the day! So having 2 cruise ships re-routed are damaging colonial aspirations!
Have another well deserved BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH
Telegraph UK article
”We don’t want them to drop the Falkland Islands from their itinerary in cruises to Argentina.”
We do...
Almagro condemned referendum on the Malvinas Islands
23.11.2012 | 09.09
Foreign Minister Luis Almagro defended the sovereignty of Argentina over the Malvinas Islands and condemned the UK initiative to hold a referendum among the inhabitants of the archipelago to define the political status of the territory.
The possible consultation, the Chancellor said: “We see no basis. A transplant population has no right of self-determination of peoples.”
Almagro made the remarks on Wednesday during the closing session and balance of 2012 Forum Malvinas in Uruguay, in Argentina embassy residence in Montevideo.
The meeting was among others attended by the Foreign Minister Luis Almagro, Defense Minister Eleuterio Fernandez Huidobro and Senator Luis Rosadilla. The Argentine ambassador was Dante Dovena
www.espectador.com/noticias/253115/almagro-condeno-referendum-sobre-las-islas-malvinas
The reason this is pointless is firstly because the economic impact will be minimal, and secondly because your conclusions about what it means are fallacious.
If cruise ship companies cave in to pressure from Argentina, it doesn't mean they agree with you. It just means they have decided, for the moment, that whatever you have threatened them with is undesirable. Their opinions of you and your 'cause' are either unchanged or more negative. We don't know yet how that plays out.
I know that my Kristellnacht analogy was also a fallacy. I was just amusing myself.
Anyway, your police don't sound very competent to me. I assume there was a good reason they were breaking windows.
“We do”
- as in “we” the Government of CFK with La Campora thug support.
“We see no basis. A transplant population has no right of self-determination of peoples.”
This argument is also a fallacy. It's a 'straw man' argument.
We think we have the right to determine our own future. You say that a transplanted population has no right to self determination, without establishing that we are a 'transplanted' population.
Actually, it's a completely rubbish argument on all levels; there are plenty of 'transplanted populations' around the world that have exercised the right to self determination. Let's start with the Caribbean islands shall, whose implanted populations gained their independence. Do you think they should not be independent? Do they have the right to self determination?
Looking forward to your .
“A transplant population has no right of self-determination of peoples”
Can you direct me to the relevant international legislation that lays this principle down?
We the people of Argentina my dear marionette, about 40 million.
Greetings to Aqua Marina.
You should thank the Falklanders for providing you with a subject for propaganda for so long; however inept the commitment to an erroneous concept is proving to be.
I don't know that all 40 million would accept that just one angry troll speaks for them.
Or are you speaking for those who say they 'represent' the 40 million, the CFK government?
“A transplant population has no right of self-determination of peoples”
Considering that 98% of the population of Argentina is 'transplanted' and Argentina has not existed as a country as long as the Falkland Islanders have been there, it's a bit harsh that you are denying Argentina the right to self-determination.
Never mind, very soon, after 7D, your country is going to need a new president and you may have to invite your colonial masters (Spain) back in to run Buenos Aires.
Mind you Madrid has made such a mess of running Spain, that it won't be much improvement.
Dear marionette, I do not represent nor I speak on behalf of any Argentinean, I just share the views of the large majority of those 40 million who strongly believe Malvinas is part of Argentina and South America, not Britain in far away Europe.
The big difference in the affirmation of you-pirates and thieves, is that people “transplanted” to our country with immigration, was legitimate and part of a native government policy at the time, following the law of the country (there is still the hotel of immigrants) encouraging immigration by low population density Argentina's then needed to be populated given its length. Argentina is not a country of immigrants, but a country that received immigrants, that is not the same.
None of that happened in the Malvinas Argentinas, because as you know, the Argentine government was appointed by the central government of Buenos Aires, and the population expelled transplanted Anglo-as you said the Uruguayan-after the robbery. So the current population is illegitimate.
Ha ha! “98% of Argentina's population is” trasnplantada “”!! Walk the streets of the Argentine cities and seeing if people say so!
Walk the streets of The Falkland Islands and see if people say they are “transplants”.
@156 MA
Thanks for being more specific.
Correct me if I'm wrong, weren't you the one, on the eve of N8, pronouncing that 50% of the people were “for” CFK ? How would you know that?
You seem to give sweeping convenient statistics with nothing to back them up.
Personally, I would be surprised if that were true, but then INDEC statisticians have been replaced with bureaucrats and you will be stifling the Free Press completely on Dec 7th, with your new legislation.
Already we see News reporters punched in the head on TV while giving reports of the demonstration of N-8.
March 2012, the BBC's World Have Your Say television program set up a live-video link with young people in FI and BA. They spoke with each other about some of the issues. The Argentines were surprised to see that the Islanders wanted to stay and had autonomy. The Brits were surprised Argentinians knew nothing about them and did not question CFK.
Meanwhile, it turns out that the Chileans have been very good friends and wish to keep FI British.
I'm just wondering one thing. Where exactly did the Spanish colonists who rebelled against Spain and founded Argentina come from?
Let me know if you need a hint with the answer.
Otherwise, it should in fact really be easy to resolve this whole question of transplanted populations and their rights.
Why don't you just you provide a reference to the relevant international legislation or doctrine that defines the notion of “transplanted population”, and denies them the right of self-determination? I'm sure the Foreign Minister of Uruguay would also be interested.
”The Chilean perspective A special Falklands TVN Chile report (castellano) on www.youtube.com/watch?v=Din9CqlYsNk&feature=colike. When you start the stream press the 'CC'button; then press the 'Translate Captions'; then select 'English'. “
I can't see a 'CC' button. The closest I can find is ”Interactive Transcript” but it's all in Spanish and I can't get it to translate. Any tips?
Let the best tourist destination win….
:-)))))))
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/26/argentina-heading-for-its-first-negative-balance-in-tourism-in-ten-years
I am sure the Australians would disagree with you on that one.
The country was originally established as a penal colony of the UK with shiploads of prisoners dumped there and told to get on with it.
By your reasoning, they should not have been granted self determination but remained under the British Crown.
“The big difference in the affirmation of you-pirates and thieves, is that people “transplanted” to our country with immigration, was legitimate and part of a native government policy at the time, following the law of the country”
Well what a coincidence because the people that emigrated to the Falkland Islands did so with the approval of the Native Government - the British Government. Britain was the first country to establish sovereignty over the islands in 1690.
The only pirates and thieves though were Argentine.
David Jewett was convicted by a Portuguese court of being a pirate.
Luis Vernet was considered a pirate by the United States Government for the attacks on the whalers and he stole the produce on those ships.
Luis Vernet attempted to steal British Sovereign Territory. He knew that it didn't belong to Argentina, sought permission to be there from the British consul and even stated that it was British Sovereign Territory afterwards.
Like thieves caught with your hands in the till, Argentina has tried to claim land that does not belong to you. You tried it with Chile and failed. You tried it with your other South American neighbours and failed. You tried again in 1982 and failed.
Argentina is a failure.
USA gained it's independence by force of arms. The others negotiated theirs from positions of relative strength. Each case depended not on UK recognising their right to self determination but on each having the will to exercise self determination resulting in independence. Fortunately in the Falkland Islands the act of self determination that led to a Constitution institutionalising subservient status seems to be, for the time being at least, happily coincident with the UK's intention not to grant the population either integration or independence.
Even assuming that were true, so what?
The point of self-determination is not the precise form of the resulting constitutional arrangements, it's the fact that they're freely chosen.
* That's not a racist allusion but a nod to the wisdom of Henry Ford. They can have any arrangement so long as it's a synonym for British colony.
That's why our neighbors are a fraction of Argentina's extension.
You are a failure for getting all worked up about a “failure”. hahahahaha.
You can't make these people up, keep hating anti.
There are differences of opinion between Falkland islanders & British.
There are differences of fact between the Falkland Islanders/British & Argentines.
I suppose, using your analogy, you might say that the Argentines believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth.
They are factually incorrect about a lot of things.
They distort the truth to suit their claim, even when they know its absurd.
They try to suggest the Falklands is a colony, but so was Argentina.
They try to deny the Islanders the right to determine their own destiny, yet claim the same right for themselves
They try to run to the UN to ask them to force the British to leave the Islands, but the UN charter states that people have the right to Self-Determination.
They try to claim that the British evicted the Argentines in 1833, but the truth is that there were more Argentines on the Islands after the British left than any other nationality.
They try to suggest that the Islands belonged to Spain and that they inherited them, but they forget that the Islands were British long before the Spanish arrived.
They try to forget that Argentina signed a treaty in 1850 stating that there was perfect peace & friendship & no disputes with Britain.
They try to forget that the UN ordered Argentina to leave the Islands in 1982, yet they remained on them in defiance of the UN until they were ejected.
They try to allege that the British are pirates and usurpers, but the facts state that it was Argentina that were pirates (as determined by other nations) and that they tried to steal British Territory.
They try to claim territory (South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and South Orkneys), yet these islands have no historical or sovereign connection with Argentina.
Let's face it, the Argentines are genocidal thieves who try to steal land that doesn't belong to them.
“ UK won't allow integration and UK won't allow independence. ”
Dover, you lying git, where do you get that nonsense?
Total fiction on your part. The Internationally observed Referendum will be the true test.
I'd guess UK residents would be indifferent to the idea and Falklanders probably prefer their current status ahead of full integration.
That may be your opinion of how the government would act if we opted for independence (and who knows you may be right) but it certainly isn't their official position. They've stated that if the Falklands opts for independence they will support us.
1) Actually, there is no proof that Henry Ford ever uttered these words…….
2) Actually, the first Model T’s (1908 (Price tag: $950) – 1912 (Price tag: $575)) were available in ”Brewster Green”, ”Carmine Red”, ”Midnight Blue” and Gray……... Black was not an option.
3) Actually, Mr. Ford switched to black in 1913 - 1925 due to optimization of the assembly line and the fact that “Japan Black” paint was the fastest drying. This reduced production time and vastly increased output.
4) Actually, in 1926 (Price tag: $280!) colors other than black were, once again, offered……..
PS............:
Any luck finding the final, definitive, officially & democratically approved referendum question?
Suffice it to say that both Parliament and the FCO have published policy papers in 1999, 2008, 2012 and others, that expressly rule out the integration into UK of all OTs and expressly reserve the right to declare an OT ready for independence (note self determination doesn't enter into it).
Still, if you are right and the Referendum Question leads to a debate on options other than the status we could be in for some interesting times. Hours of Mercopress fun, I say.
@109 Whoops! Can we now go ahead and quote all your “wishes”. If you keep a record of everybody's comments, you are truly sad. Do you not have something else to occupy your day? Have you tried scratching the balls you may not have?
@110 STFU or else!
@114 Where? Never heard of the place. Is it like the Isle of Dogs?
@121 I have a present for you. Could you post your address so that I can send it. THINK of it as a pancake. I think of it as a landmine, but it's just perception.
@132 In the near future you could have a “real” tourist attraction. Glass!
@135 Yep. The collapse of a country into anarchy and criminality is usually sad. But argieland did that years ago. This is just the death throes. THINK of CFK as the rattle in your throat.
@141 Try this one. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pngnsh60.jpg
@143 You were there? You have access to the “police”?
@145 Tough.
@146 Oh shut up. Argies are congenital liars. Can't even be believed when screaming “We surrender.” So let's shoot 'em all.
@151 And we, the people of the United Kingdom, about 62 million say, “Get stuffed”.
@156 Then you, and that “large majority” will have to be taught differently. And you know who can do it, don't you? Done it before. We can do it again!
@157 Do you really believe that crap? Think back to 1810. Where did they all come from? You are SOOO stupid. Not just for what you believe but for the crap you come out with.
@168 The “force of arms” of the French and Spanish!
@171 The argturds oppose FI self-determination. QED.
@172 Thanks.
@178 Nothing to do with you!
@179 What's it to you? You're a “dove”, right? Is that short for “coward” or “traitor”?
When I first saw this.....
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/26/falklands-march-10-11-referendum-a-democratic-exercise-of-self-determination
I thought the answer had finally come but no, we have to wait a while longer it seems. So I amused myself by imagining the charismatic Monty addressing a rapt crowd in the Town Hall and swaying even the most staunch pro-status parvenu towards a “Yes to Independence” question. Then I sobered up.
But never mind, drown your sorrows at having been rumbled in your local RBL Branch. There is one in Buenos Aires, after all.
“I wonder what happened too Jorge Argüello?”
He has just popped up in the BsAs Herald giving the usual bollocks.
Cannot tell who he is raving at and BsAs is not giving anything away.
Given the poor quality of the drapes behind him I suspect it is in the Argie Embassy as he cannot get any invites from the US government.
did you ever believe that Doveoverdover was British ?
Come on Dover, if you're genuine, tell us where the Dover RBL Club is!
The FIG(leaf) and its loooong tradition of secretiveness.........
I can picture Monty96 baking some 1500 Chinese Fortune Cookies wit the “Secret Question” inside..... Just to keep us Argies uninformed ;-)
So you can't possibly name the location of the Dover RBL Club? Hang on, I'll ask the RBL...
www.britishlegion.org.uk/counties/kent/contact-us/clubs
That's strange. There isn't an RBL Club in Dover! Surely some mistake, as DoD couldn't possibly be yet another bluffing Argie cunt and a liar, could he? Perhaps he means that the Dover RBL Branch meets in a pub, like so many other branches...
www.britishlegion.org.uk/counties/kent/contact-us/branches
Nope. It seems that he is indeed a bluffing Argie cunt and liar. I'm so disappointed in you (but strangely not surprised).
Our cover has been blown!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xnB57UYBkQ
We could maybe gain some credibility again if you could describe to that “Inglorious Per Ardua Dastard” the interior decour of that bloody Dover RBL Bar ;-)
You are a real Turnip......
I wish my English was half as good as CmdrMcDod.....
Anybody that has read more than a book can spot the difference...
As for the RBL; do you know about Downs Syndrome (that's a sort of crossword clue).
@194 Oh rapture! Chris publicly spots my sucker punch and Crab mistakes me for you. Time to retire for the night. Quit while I'm ahead.
I'm loving it.....
Even when I don't understand anything of it :-)
Sleep tight...
Ah right, so you're now a member of the first Kent RBL branch that appears in a Google search and not in Dover at all. Fail. Try again at your cover story.
Sorry old chap, but that still makes you a bluffing fake RN Argie cunt.
Bravo
Your 'sympathy' for the Falklands is as fake as your claim to be British.
However, the main point of this article, is Argentina refusing to accept that it can't have what it wants.
Never mind, Argentines need to learn how to live with disappoinment, and you may as well start now.
- ARA Libertad - still impounded
- Falklands referendum - will blow your erroneous 'sovereignty' claims out of the water
- Argentina being taken to court over non payment of debt
- Argentina being censured by the IMF for LYING about your economic data
I could go on, but you Argentines seem to like setting yourselves up for a fall, then complaining about it when you find that falling hurts.
Are! it will remain merely the chant of the indoctrinated zombie, because there is absolutely nothing in your allegation you can prove.
Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:50 pm
From an intelligence point of view, if they were seperate identities, Think would be the arse end because occasionally DoD has made some quite sensible suggestions!!!!
My genetically induced Gnesio-Lutheranism prevents me to take pleasure in FOGL's misfortune......
But my dormant Norse Paganism, on the other hand........ ;-)
You being retired military, from Dover and with some (hastily dwindling) interests in South-America….
Have you ever been to Boulogne Sur Mer; Grande Rue 105?
Singular Place……….
Mmmm.
Looks like a fun day out. Was that when AG had generals who actually did things for their country?
Unlike now of course.
Did you know him personally, being as old as you are?
Ha, ha, ha.
Oh hell, have I opened myself up to more accusations of being a lying git because Dover doesn't have an airport? Cue the plane spotter.
But I SAY: Sometimes you are no end of an ass
If memory serves me right, there were daily flights from Dover to Boulogne from the 60's through the 80's.......
Ahhh....... those low flying crafts....
The last 35 or so posts are just a Troll pantomime.
We need not participate at all. Wouldn't miss anything but one Troll talking to himself.
I wonder if he still gets paid for that?
Does he get paid double??
#32 Chris, your dismissal of epistemology in favour of science surely shows your own, materialist, epistemological point of view; you can't just not have one, at least if you're thinking about the topic. And its one not all scientists share...
#51 Slatzz, you admit most countries have a grudge against ours. Why do you think that is?
And not all scientists agree there is probably no god, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Philosophers are just like economists: ask six of them a question and you get upwards of 12 answers.
Can’t be doing with all the navel gazing, they are as big a drag on society moving forward as the religions.
This woman has worked ceaselessly for herself and that is most definately to be applauded, but that is it.
www.britishlegion.org.uk/counties/kent/contact-us/clubs
That's strange. There isn't an RBL Club in Dover! Surely some mistake, as DoD couldn't possibly be yet another bluffing Argie &^% and a liar, could he? ”“”“”“”“”“”“”“
wow, badly sussed DoD there.
nice catch, proves the point that some of these ”pro-argentine“ accounts really are nothing but multiple-logins.
always amusing when somebody thinks they are cleverer than everybody else, then screw-up by making an elementary mistake...
”Whats the name of the pub outside the gates at Hereford...?”
VERY old trick that also.....
Unlucky Mr DoverOver... your time is truly over.
“The whole region in the framework of UNASUR and CELAC is monitoring the work of good offices entrusted to the Secretary-General by the UN General Assembly to contribute to the resumption of negotiations with the United Kingdom to reach a solution to the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas / Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas, ”said the Argentine diplomat.
Finally stressed complete readiness of Argentina to assist the Secretary General in his current mission “with the hope that the UK meets its obligation to establish a dialogue to resolve the dispute chronic colonial”.
It is increasingly evident that the world public opinion and sympathy welcomes the cause Argentina over the Falkland Islands.
It is a fact increasingly evident failure of the UK to follow international law with its colonialist and imperialist policies in the 21st century.
An example is. Decolonization Committee of UN considers Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 are for the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, the Malvinas - Falkland Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Monserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island.
Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony.
Besides the UN resolutions are referred to a colony.
See Resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. It is a territory to colonize.
Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony. Example Wikipedia.
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comit% C3% C3% B3n A9_de_Descolonizaci%
except for all those who dont... who, outside of Argentine fantasies, number rather a lot.
.... including one chap called Ban ki-moon.
I would post a link to him, but with your superior google-fu I imagine you can look him up yourself.
The “decolonisation committee” fwiw, other than being powerless AND partisan, is something else that Ban ki-moon doesnt really see as working properly anymore.... funny that eh? ;-)
And yes, those non-binding UNGA Resolutions that were accepted at face value by those at the UN who had not done their own independent research and accepted the Argentine presentation of lies, mistruths and downright fibs as the truth... Which were in any case, invalidated by Argentina's own breaking of those resolutions by invading in 1982.
So what makes this speech 'excellent'? Is it 'excellent' because it excellently conforms to the usual pack of lies?
And so what anyway? The important point isn't whether a territory is considered a colony or not, it's that the population concerned freely chooses its own status.
Ask Ban-ki Moon, he'll tell ya.
ARGENTINA position is:
“There has to be a negotiation dialogue between AR-UK to find a definitive and peacefully solution to the question of sovereignty of the Malvinas Islands” peace.
UK Position is:
There is nothing to talk, the Falklands are British (argggh)
You both say: “ Ask Ban-ki Moon, he'll tell ya.”
I wonder.....What Ban Ki-Moon actually say few days ago ?
1) “I have been urging both nations to resolve the issue peacefully through dialogue and I made clear that I am ready to offer my good offices to both sides so they can come together”.
2) “Ban Ki-Moon said he expected they are resolved ‘ideally’ through dialogue, particularly when we are talking about the Malvinas or the Falklands..”
Now.....what position do you think Mr Ban Ki-Moon support ?
AR or UK ?
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/12/ban-ki-moon-and-colonialism-people-should-be-able-to-decide-their-own-future
AR or UK ?”“”
he said the islanders have the right to self-determination.
Argentina & the UK sitting down for talks has become redundant...
and so has the C24...
Pretty simple really.
I know it is difficult for some pro-Argentine supporters to get that fundamental shift of emphasis and power into their system, but, essentially the entire issue of UK/ARG sovereignty has been trumped by the Islanders self-determination.
And that is exactly what he said and in the title/link of your own link.
Its also why he intimated that the c24 was outmoded, out of touch and needed reform.... the world has passed them by, just ahs any UK:ARG talks have been passed-by because of the UNs recognition that the islanders have their own rights: independently.
Everybody has to adjust to this new reality and forget the whole “Sit down with the UK” argument: it is no longer relevant.
There was negotiation. Then you invaded. Negotiations over. Tough tits. Your fault. Too late to cry about it now. There is already peace, provided you don't start a war (which you won't while we maintain a garrison, because you know we'd and it considerably more quickly than the last one you started).
There is no sovereignty dispute except in the minds of deluded, indoctrinated-from-birth Argentines. You have no historical case, no moral case, no legal case, no geographical case and as will be seen in uncertain terms next year, no democratic case either.
Ban-ki-Moon promoting dialogue is like humans promoting breathing, eating and drinking. What else do you expect him to say?
Dialogue has been offered, but you refuse, because you regard the Falklanders as untermenschen to be ground underfoot, colonised and ethnically cleansed.
You are misquoting the esteemed Mr. Moon. What he actually said was :
“He estado preocupado por el intercambio de declaraciones fuertes entre Argentina y el Reino Unido sobre el tema de Malvinas o las Islas Falkland.”
There is no mention of sovereignity there. He said “el tema”.
He also said :
“No creo que los miembros permanentes del Consejo de Seguridad estén violando resoluciones relevantes de las Naciones Unidas.”
and
“La impresión es que la gente que vive bajo esas condiciones debería poder obtener cierto nivel de capacidades para que puedan decidir sobre su propio futuro.”
Or in short, the UK is not in breach of any UN resolution and he supports the principle of self-determination.
You have also misunderstood or misrepresented the UK position. The UK doesn't say the islands are British. The UK only says it won't negotiate sovereignity without the consent of the islanders. Compare this to Argentina, which has written into its constitution that sovereignity isn't negotiable at all.
Finally, I believe the FIG is still waiting for a reply for the offer to discuss various matters of interest with Argentina. It seems, however, that Argentina wishes to determine unilaterally the content, participants and outcome of any negotiation.
Out here in the real world, that's not called “negotiation” at all. And the UN has never given it support to any “negotiation” of this nature at all.
I hope that clears it up for you.
Mr Ban Ki-Moon never said that Self-determination could apply in Malvinas case......the closer statment from him (and talking in general about the 16 non-selfgov territories) was :
“The ”impression“ is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities so that they can decide on their own future...”
When was asked DIRECTLY about Malvinas particular case he NEVER said that right could apply .....rather he support Dialogue and negotiation ...his words:
“Ban Ki-Moon said he expected they are resolved ‘ideally’ through dialogue, particularly when we are talking about the Malvinas or the Falklands..”
Futhermore....few time ago the chairman of UN c-24 explict say that Self-determination DONT APPLY in Malvinas case, his words:
“The chair of the UN Decolonisation Committee .....described the UK announcement of a referendum in the Malvinas Islands as a “political ploy”, insisting that the Falkland Islanders can not appeal to the right of self determination they claim, because in the Malvinas case “there is a principle of territorial integrity” from Argentina .
en.mercopress.com/2012/06/16/c24-chair-calls-falklands-referendum-political-ploy-praises-argentine-president
Read again and again and again....... don´t fool yourselves. Repeating what you wish,,,, unfortunately is not the reality of what the civilized world interprets and only make yourselves looks with a primitive reasoning
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/12/ban-ki-moon-and-colonialism-people-should-be-able-to-decide-their-own-future
I've noticed you Malvinista guys have the same problem with treaties and any other texts. You always conclude that they do say what they don't say, and don't do say what they don't say. I used to find this confusing until I found a copy of the Malvinista Dictionary. It's still hard to get your head round, but it does help. Here are some extracts :
Dialogue = you do what I yell you.
Arrogance = you don't do what I tell you
Lies = you dispute what I tell you
Usurpation = you recover
Recovery = I usurp
Decolonization = colonization
Vulture = creditor
Pirate = policeman
... And so on
I can backup my posts with words of high officer of United Nations (Chairman of C-24 des-colinization comitte) that say EXPLICITLY:
“... Falkland Islanders can not appeal to the right of self determination.....”
en.mercopress.com/2012/06/16/c24-chair-calls-falklands-referendum-political-ploy-praises-argentine-president
Can you provide eto verybody here an EXPLICIT statment from Ban Ki-Moon, his secretary.....C-24 guy....any level....or even a delivery boy from UN that say in EXPLICIT way:
“Falkland islanders CAN use the right of Self-determination”
i repeat.....MUST BE EXPLICIT.....not good enough your interpretation of UN Charter....gettingright joke paper....my uncle told me etc.....i ask you for and EXPLICIT statment....
can you ?
can anybody out there ??
or STFU for ever.
i´ll wait sitting....
:-)
What don't you understand about “decide on their own future”?
:-)
Lol, you really believe that because your stooge on the C24 says something that is a violation of the fundamental tenets, that makes it true? Show me the legal basis for that statement in any UN agreed UN document or international legislation, and I might be prepared to waste some more of my time teaching you elementary reading comprehension.
tell you what.....come and bring your friends and try again....
read again #230....key word EXPLICIT statment like i provide you lot.
or....
STFU....you´re realy closer kiddo.
“La impresión es que la gente que vive bajo esas condiciones debería poder obtener cierto nivel de capacidades para que puedan decidir sobre su propio futuro. Y este es el principal criterio de los órganos principales de las Naciones Unidas. Lograr la independencia o que tengan cierto gobierno de sus territorios. No creo que sea un tema de abuso o violación de resoluciones relevantes de la ONU.”
Stament from Ban Kin-Moon:
“The ”impression“ is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities so that they can decide on their own future...”
Weakness:
1) No explictly Falklands case are mentioned
2) No explictly people from the islands are mentioned (kelper, falklanders, etc.)
3) No a word of self-determination right mentioned.
4) No one word that Falkland people hitpotetically could use that right, that by the way, no once is mentioned.
5) “impression” word IT IS used.....you know what impression means right ? impression !!
and now lets compare whith other staments from Ban Ki-Moon:
“....he expected they are resolved ‘ideally’ through dialogue, particularly when we are talking about the Malvinas or the Falklands”
“I have been urging both nations to resolve the issue peacefully through dialogue..”
Strengths:
1) Dialogue word IT IS mentioned (supporting what Argentina is asking)
2) Dialogue IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE of Falklands is mentioned (supporting what Argentina is asking)
3) both nations word IT IS mentioned....no third party....no kelper..no Falklands Corporation, no nothing...just AR & UK (supporting what Argentina is asking)
4) Solve the issue through dialogue is mentioned....no through a referendum or self-determination...no nothing...just dialogue.(supporting what Argentina is asking).
.....and additionally we have the words of the Chairman of C-24 that say EXPLICITLY:
“... Falkland Islanders can not appeal to the right of self determination.....”
Give up Hans, be wise and see the differences...Argentina is backed EXPLICITLY in his position...UK is not.
by the way, disqualifying the person who holds the honorable position of chairman of C-24 at UN is not very clever move.
TIP: Basics Maths and Logic could help for support your position.
please read:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency
Since when did the C24's remit include the transfer of territory TO a colonising power?
In the meantime, the Falkland Islands remain British and there is absolutely cock-all you can do except thcweam and thcweam until you're thick.
What's the big deal about dialogue? The UN recommending dialogue is like the Mothers Union recommending motherhood. What else would they recommend? An invasion, maybe? Or an economic blockade, or interference with shipping, or the looting of fish stocks? I think not.
But you seem to have got the impression from somewhere that 'dialogue' actually means 'transfer of sovereignity to Argentina'. Say what? Only in the Malvinista Dictionary, perhaps. In the real word, on the other hand, the UN has said nothing more than 'dialogue', with no prescription or restriction as regards the content, participation, or outcome.
And so what happens? The FIG with the support of the UK offers precisely 'dialogue' and you don't respond to the invitation. And what does Ban-ki Moon have to say about this?
“No creo que los miembros permanentes del Consejo de Seguridad estén violando resoluciones relevantes de las Naciones Unidas.”
Hardly an Argentine victory.
And as for the C24, here you have a committee composed largely of hostile anglophobes and chaired by a self-professed Argentine stooge, and what's the best recommendation you can get out of them? 'Dialogue'. See above. What a diplomatic triumph that is.
And now you want us to accept that this mighty 'dialogue' victory outweighs Ban-ki Moon's clear statement of the principle of self-determination and the founding principles of the UN, and his exoneration of the UK as regards the alleged breach of UN resolutions.
There's just the small matter that he omitted to mention all the usual nonsense regarding “implanted populations” having no rights, “territorial integrity” and the rest of the Malvinista historical fiction, but never mind, Tempo Argentina managed to wheel in the Ecuadorean stooge pretty damn quick before the whole country melted down in cognitive dissonance.
Here's to more Argentine triumphs such as these.
The fact is after the second world war the UK divested itself of it's empire peacefully and in most cases to local rule! The whole point of the C-24 committee is to stop colonialism and promote local rule not transfer a territory from colonial power to another!
What is left are the small number of territories that didn't want to move to local rule or independence. Those places have self determined that they prefer something different to full independence. Why should that be wrong? Why does the UN have a committee that promotes an idea that the inhabitants of some places don't want?! It should be further noted that the UK has carefully pushed its territories over the years to consider more autonomy, self rule and eventual independence including the Falklands. The irony is if Argentina hadn't invaded in 1982 there was a good chance that the Falklands would of agreed to some form of joint rule by the end of the 1980's or full independence!
That the C-24 with its Argentine stooge at its head only talk about the Argentine interpretation of the events of 1833 and before is hardly conductive to reasoned dialogue. The UK and the Islanders do not agree with the story made up by the Peronists in the 1940's, the first step to dialogue would be for Argentina would be stop using a story that the UK and the Islanders find insultingly wrong!
If the UK started negotiations with Argentina behind the Islanders back then the Falkland Islands would immediately declare independence anyway. If Argentina wants to make progress then they need to recognise the Islanders have a voice and treat them with respect. Blockading them, insulting them with lies about their history and generally acting unneighbourly is hardly going to change the situation.
i understand your point and my only advice for UK position is you guys need to change UN structure bodies, his members, and teach them how to interpreter the UN Charter. You could try with the ICJ.......also from UN.
Clearly UN need to change everything for support your position because until noe they in differents ways explicitly support dialogue between AR-UK for find a solution, he never ever talk about 3 party nor kelper nor penguins.....sided with Argentina and thats a fact.
Convlusion: No one single word from UN thats self-determination rights apply to kelpers.
When you change complete UN we could talk again.....until now score for Argentina and thats a fact.
I rest my case.
The only choice on the table is to engage with the Falkland Islanders or military action, calling them Kelpers or Penguins is hardly going to enhance dialogue and the Argentine armed forces are in no place for an invasion.
It doesn't matter that Argentina doesn't think the Islanders have self determination rights as it has no way to force another solution.
The C-24 only angers the Islanders and the UK more as it takes a position which is insulting. The Islanders have said they are happy to talk about common interest points of trade, transport and resources. Ignoring them and demanding direct talks with the UK that would only hasten Falklands full independence and stop any chance of Argentine rule is hardly constructive.
If Argentina acted as a normal neighbour that wasn't trying to damage the economy of the Islanders and rather helped engage the Islands with South American trade then maybe down the line they would be more open to an accommodation. Current Argentine policy only pushes that idea further away!
This is what you are not understanding so_far, the Islanders hold all the cards. No British government is going to dare go behind their back and negotiate away their home to Argentina as it would be political suicide! Argentina is in no place to force the matter militarily, at worse for the Islands it is a bit of a nuisance but they are a proud remote community and Argentine belligerency to them only hardens their views.
The C-24 committee only insults and angers the people who can actually decide to talk to Argentina, pushing the issue is hardly helping your cause is it.
Nov 29th, 2012 - 11:26 am
“You could try with the ICJ.......also from UN.”
WTF should the Falkland Islanders or the UK go to the ICJ???? They have absolutely no doubt about their sovereignty over the Islans!!!!!!
Our government is the only entity with a problem about the sovereignty question, which was invented during the 1930's and eventually taken up by Perón in the late 1940's. For proof of this just look at our Promary School history books from the 1920's and then compare them with those that replaced them during Perón's first presidency.
Thank you for calling the lslands by their correct name- the Falkland lslands.
The rest of your post was mainly nonsense.
“... Falkland Islanders can not appeal to the right of self determination....“”“”“”“”“”“”
The c24 committee has no power to do that...it shouldnt even be saying things like that, which is why Ban ki-moon called it into question and the process of reforming it, or abolishing it, has already started.
Pretty mucn everybody knows and understands that the C24 is a left-over of old processes and is essentially, illegitimate... except the few who still try to use it to score political points with their regional political buddies.
If you are relying upon this powerless committee as the entire foundation of your cause then your are in seriously desperate state.
“”“I rest my case.”“”
In which case you lose Im afraid.
THe only people who can fully dictate the future of the Falklands Islands are the Falklands Islanders - as backed up by the very institution, in its fundamental construction, and recently supported by Ban ki-moon.
No amount of false-reading, no irrelevant party-political speeches from defunct and powerless committees will change that - you case is wishful thinking and would require a complete change of the UNs founding charters, and the removal of its current top-dog.
which aint going to happen.
If the Islanders have no doubt about their Sovereignty as you say and;
the UK Government has no doubt about it's Sovereignty (it's diplomats regularly say this);
then either one or other of them, or both perhaps, should be having doubts because they both can't be right.
Note the absence of any worthwhile intellectual content in the posting of these two humorless oiks @246 and @247 or anywhere else on Mercopress for that matter. If fantasy and boring were Olympic sports they'd both be world beaters.
Chuckle Chuckle
So_far: You're right and speaks the truth. The British forumers make vague and inaccurate conclusions. Unfortunately, your little information and not wanting to even read the UN resolutions. They lack much understanding of the facts based upon the historical and social processes. They do not want to because bare their lack of argument and resort to colonialism, racism and imperialism of the 21st century. The facts demonstrate humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan.
241 Fedaykin
This is what is not understood so_far, islanders hold all the cards.
The entindiendo these are not your Fedaykin. Remember that the UK is a country in severe crisis and declining as the U.S. and Europe. The world and the world public opinion and are not deceived by colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century English. UK fails to comply with international law by failing to comply with UN resolutions and the growing influence of the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations for his honesty and fairness and their struggle to eradicate colonialism in all its forms.
243 lsolde
IGracias by calling the islands by name-Malvinas correct.
The rest of your post was mostly nonsense.
I'm surprised your naivete and innocence. Speaks volumes of your sad personality. Falklands or Malvinas, as you like. Always remember the words of Mahatma Gandhi who fought against the typical characteristics of the British. Imperialism, racism and colonialism English
”No one can do good in an area of your life, while hurting another. Life is one indivisible whole. ”
Some of us have had a whip round and put a bottle of Malbec for you behind the bar at the Royal British Legion in Dover. Might I suggest you give a little taste to Bernard or any other experts on referendum policy in Tierra del Fuego who may also be present?
I can clearly see that you are ”doing your best to get back on message and put behind you all those malicious libels” as you said in another thread…….
Keep them British Turnips guessing and don’t get so mad at the Argentinean ones….
(Argie or Brit….. Apple pie tastes sweet ;-)
Speaking about Argentina…… A damn good week for my Country…
Good news from Puerto Estanley…
Good news from New York…
Good news from Hamburg...
Good news from Brasilia…
Good news from Lima…
And my BOR shares have gone up a penny today!…….. Hip Hip Hurray…
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9676639/New-Archbishop-of-Canterbury-takes-RBS-chief-Stephen-Hester-to-task.html
perhaps that isn't evidence of my perfidy after all.
QUOTE ”No one can do good in an area of your life, while hurting another. Life is one indivisible whole. ”
In that case stop trying to impose foreign rule and occupation on the Falklanders.
If you despise colonialism so much then stop trying to force it onto other people - unless of course you'd rather move into the “ethnic cleansing” game and kick the Falklanders out, like you planned in 1982.
Last time I looked your country was in decline too - still have most of your navy in pieces or impounded do you?
How is inflation at the moment?
Were'nt you one of the top 10 richest nations in the early 20th century as well - oh dear you do seem to have made a mess of things don't you.
Thanks for the link…..
Justin Welby…… An Alpha man of my liking!
Chuckle Chuckle - enough said
Alpha as in Male or Alpha as in Course (“an opportunity to explore the meaning of life”)? Both are popular among the officer class of the British Armed Forces, don't yah know.
good night sussie
Lost me there, matey.
Off -Topic ???
”People's Self-Determination ” is “Paramount” for the British Government…..!
Why are they so abstaining on the Palestine vote tomorrow at the UN….?
Brainwash anybody....?
Not only 100% British citizenship you are... ... but also you know in details particular aspects of Malvinas lifestyle as well the idiosyncrasies of certain individuals living on those islands (among them greedy and ungrateful ).
Surely having shared time with them gave a huge vision of the topic which makes in my view your contribution very valuable, honest and unbiased.
I apologize if I misinterpreted your intentions at some point.
Regards
“Lost me there, matey.”
Good night Lord Haw haw
Hardly brainwashed. More brainwired for paternalistic behaviour. Without surfing to confirm, my memory tells me we (yes we, as in the UK) are not against it but we have not received satisfactory assurances about their future behaviour. At least we are are consistently paternalistic, as befits a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
This very thread is literally paved with Brutish Turnips lecturing us, Argentineans, about their willingness to spill the last drop of other peoples blood in defence of the Sacrosant Principle of Self Determination of
(Damn Samsung Note II touchscreen!)
As I was saying.....:
(262) Cmdr. McDod
This very thread is literally paved with Brutish Turnips lecturing us, Argentineans, about their willingness to spill the last drop of other people’s blood in defence of the Sacrosanct Principle of Self Determination of less than 3,000 British Squatting Subjects in the South Atlantic……
At the same time, the 4,000,000 Palestinian living in the Holy Land and the ~15,000,000 strong Palestinian Diaspora don’t even seem to deserve a positive British vote at the UN…..
That’s no ”Paternalistic Behavior”.
That’s Brainwash…………..
By the way, have you seen FINN - the question is unchanged. Some debate. No wonder Monty has gone missing. And there are also MT Squadrons.
Of course the Referendum question was left unchanged.....
C'mon......... Truly............!
Did you really expect it to be challenged by anybody on them Islands?
Curious you should mention that.
While the numerous Argentine UN experts on the board are just falling over themselves to vilify the UK for breaching resolutions which the UK has evidently not breached, none of them seem to be terribly exercised by the numerous resolutions which Israel has breached, nor by the firepower they have been visiting on the heads of a largely defenceless civilian population.
But then perhaps it's because they're all off with the Brits on another board dedicated to that topic, leaving only distraction merchants here to raise it.
@266
Rather unfortunately, your 'Russel Group eduction” doesn't seem to have helped a lot with your spelling. I don't mean 'eduction'.
”#258 Mr Doveoverdover,
Not only 100% British citizenship you are... ... but also you know in details particular aspects of Malvinas lifestyle as well the idiosyncrasies of certain individuals living on those islands (among them greedy and ungrateful ).“
Oh, dear, another Troll Pantomime Alert !
Dover , so far, and Think trying so hard to reassure us that Dover is not an Argentine Troll.
Where's the Troll?? What, behind me??
Where, where??
Posts 262 and 266???
When's the next performance ”Dame Dover”??
maybe you should be asking TTT
Fakes-the two!
But of course, DoD IS an RG troll.
And Think, well that man couldn't lie straight in bed. The ultimate liar who “thinks” that he knows everything.
Talking about breaching UN Resolutions, malvinistas(especially YOU,señor Think), what are your explanations for the breaching of UNSC Resolution #502?
l await your revelations with bated breath.
I have a cure for your sick feeling. One that doesn't stop others from exercising their little grey cells for their own amusement and for the illumination of others less closed minded than you. Whenever you see a post from me or Think, pass quickly on to the next post or item. For the posters I find infantile, bigoted and irrelevant, I certainly do.
“ posters I find infantile, bigoted and irrelevant,”
Don't forget those who are hostile towards you because you're a lying La Campora paid Troll.
I have a cure for your sick feeling. One that doesn't prevent others from exercising their little grey cells for their own amusement and for the enlightenment of those less closed-minded than you... Whenever you see a post from me or Mr. McDod, pass quickly on to the next post or item. For the posters I find turnipy, bigoted and/or irrelevant, I certainly do.
(But I always find time to read the comments of a British Squatterette in Malvinas that wishes to belly shot me with her impounded 7.62 FAL...;-)
www.raf.mod.uk/rafwittering/aboutus/whoisbasedhere.cfm
”No 85 (EL) Wg, with an establishment of approximately 850 personnel, comprises 4 Air Combat Service Support Units: No 1 (Expeditionary Logistics) Sqn, No 2 (Mechanical Transport) (MT) Sqn, No 3 (Mobile Catering) Sqn and a small Headquarters Sqn”.
Dear Dame DoD,
I didn't see that on there, but perhaps I didn't look hard enough.
Thanks for the link.
I'm amazed that so much information is made available to the public.
With this information generally available to anyone, in Britain, the USA, or Argentina, it seems your statements are just general knowledge and do not indisputably indicate that you are who you say you are.
You will need to do more to be convincing, given your uncharacteristic posts for a veteran, and your recent 'Dover' RBL embarrassments.
No, wait a minute. WTF has it got to do with you? My service career is absolutely tip-top-secret. So it's maximum security, is that clear?
www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/OJAR
www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Falklands :-)))
“@276 Let me have your email and I'll send you a scan of my Commission, my last OJAR and my first Pension Statement, if you like.
No, wait a minute. WTF has it got to do with you? My service career is absolutely tip-top-secret. So it's maximum security, is that clear?”
Gosh, thanks for an honest response, “I could, but I won't”.
@271isolde
“Even if he's not a troll, its still sickening to see Think & DoD patting each other on their backs & being all hearty, dontcha know, haw haw.
Fakes-the two!
But of course, DoD IS an RG troll.”
Sounds like Isolde (and others) have not only a disgust for your posts, but representing yourself as a British Serviceman, in order to discredit the UK Armed Forces and the government and people they fight and die for.
Morally, Isolde and others cannot just 'skip over' information and actions being grossly mis-represented by liars like you (that includes 'Think').
Certainly, there are others who write on here publicly, and elsewhere. They have revealed their identities to give themselves credibility.
Roger Lorton, for one.
But, I could understand that even a reasonable person would be reluctant.
That's why they've offered you the opportunity to fill in a few innocuous details that corroborate your anecdotes about yourself, yet don't reveal your true “tip-top secret identity”, Colonel Blink.
Until that happens, those that know better will denounce your statements as false, misleading, groundless, or outright lies.
Surely it is in your interest to answer the minor questions of ChrisR et al.
once vetted, you could establish your bona fides and your credibility as an independent thinker, rather than an Argentine drone loke ProARG that follows the Party Line.
But that will never happen.
Mr. Roger Lorton never needed any “Credibility” .
He was already a very popular fella in British Turnip Circles when he was Mr. Hoytred/Redhoyt.
After I commented (positively) on some of the books he had written, he choosed to “Go Public”.
Ain't that right Roger?
They have revealed their identities to give themselves credibility.
It was me that ”opened the doors for Mr. Roger Lorton's
Roger Lorton, for one.
It's a bit like the creditability you have shown with your post @278
“Think”, Are you sure you posted under the persona you intended to.
Whatever is your point??
Roger's credibility is all for the better, by revealing who he is to those who wish to know.
Dame Dover/ Col. Blink is a caricature of a retired RN serviceman, and a Troll by default.
A seriously insufferable Tory, but....
A man that knows how to debate in a civilized and intelligent manner...
I'm positive he shares many points of view with Cmdr. McDod...
A pity he got tired of all the insulting Turnips in here....
Like (282) for example...
”Mr. Roger Lorton never needed any “Credibility” .
I agree, but Dame Dover needs some!
Panto Trolls :- )
You know, you really should stop calling me names. It's so, well, childish.
DoverOverDover gets “outed” elsewhere and now we have Argentine posters supporting that he is “legitimate”.... yeah... that will work chaps!
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“”“Let me have your email and I'll send you a scan of my Commission, my last OJAR and my first Pension Statement, if you like. ”“”
...if they existed you could, but they dont...so you are kinda screwed Mr Sock Puppet. :-0
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“”“”“Even if he's not a troll, its still sickening to see Think & DoD patting each other on their backs & being all hearty, dontcha know, haw haw.“”“”“
I wouldnt call it sickening: it indicates a certain desperation in that these people must create fake persona's to try to generate ”people on their side“.
DoverOver has been substantively Outed now...its just up to the rest of us to keep reminding newcomer that he/she is a proven sock-puppet with a fake ”history” and that everything they post is a figment of somebody else's imagination.
OPSEC: www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/OPSEC...... ahhhhh
Mission GAINSBOROUGH: www.arrse.co.uk/arrse_wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=Mission+GAINSBOROUGH+&go=Go…......... No match!
But,…Wait a minute!
That’s sounds like Black Adder!
Very cunning...................., Darling.
Take off the grease paint you 'two', the audience has left.
Panto Trolls
They “Play the man not the ball”….., you say..
Jupppppp…......... That’s the Turnips way, alright…
This humble, run of the mill Patagonian dweller, has been called things like...: murderer, pedophile, ethnic cleanser, fascist, communist, nazi, liar, hypocrite, stalker, troll, deranged and many other epithets .......
One of the cruelest turnip in here went so low to call me “British” ….
Another vicious turnip called me “Tyke”…..
That did really hurt!
Chuckle chuckle©
Come, come, gentlemen, there were a good 250 posts of the usual Punch & Judy before attention turned to the presence or not of an RBL in Dover.
And that's not because anybody cares whether or not there actually is an RBL in Dover, but because that was the moment when the curtain finally slipped and the hand up the Commmander's arse was revealed.
That really was a hoot, but what has been almost more entertaining has been the numerous failed ploys to get the audience to look the other way while stagehands attempt to get the curtain back into place.
They haven''t worked.
Seems to be that the Turnips believe your rank to be the one I, so vicariously adjudged you...
Would be nice to know the real one though….. Just to adjust the length and sternness of my salutes….;-)
All the same, gents, noblesse oblige and I do have to say it was a rather impressive run while it lasted, at least the part I saw of it. At a minimum you did manage to create enough doubt around the character to keep him teetering on the brink of credibility, and for quite some time too.
But not quite enough to establish the willing suspensions of disbelief. In the end it wasn't just the RBL slip that gave you away, hilarious though it may have been to present a supposed senior officer of the RN chancing upon a specialist in Tierra del Fuego affairs in a non-existent British Legion in Dover.
You have to add to the mix the cloying chumminess, the self-basting conceit (a Think trademark if ever there was one), the snide pursuit of an agenda distinct from, but entirely complementary to Think's, and last but not least the evident mepris for female opponents in particular.
You should especially keep an eye on that last one for the next creation, it's a dead give-away.
Very well Sir.....
“List of Chain of Command in the Mc DoD Clan..., Sir:
Mrs McDoD, obviously. All Mrs McDoD's friends, their families, their families' servants, their families' servants' tennis partners, LR Nelson, LR Nigger and some chap you bumped into the Downs RBl the other day called Per Ardua.”
And let's not forget Mrs Miniver.
Or perhaps you are in fact, the Commander?
Don't be shy, Think. Reveal yourself.
I'm not on “Ze List” honeybunch......
Second anecdote. We had a dedicated phone line from the JOC at MP to the Navy HQ at Ushuaia for deconfliction and confidence building. The Watchkeepers were a Navy Lt, and RAF Flt Lt and an Army Capt (RHA actually at the time of this story). One day I was speaking to the Cdr at the other end of the phone and he asked to speak to my boss, the Capt, as over the months they had shared their mutual interest in Polo and become good friends over the phone. My boss was a Gp Capt.
I'll settle for Mr or Cdr.
Mr. it is then, as that smart Resettlement Consultant so cunningly capped...
Sounds much more human.....
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