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Argentina insists with Malvinas during UN ceremony with Ban Ki-moon

Argentina is strongly committed with multilateralism and trusts in the UN to reach a fair, peaceful and long lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute in the Malvinas issue, said Ambassador Maria Cristina Perceval during her Friday credentials presentation ceremony with Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

Ambassador Perceval will be sitting at the UN Security Council starting January

Ambassador Perceval replaces Jorge Argüello currently ambassador in Washington, and when Argentina prepares to join the Security Council as a non permanent member next January and for two years.

“Argentina is strongly committed to multilateralism as the best reply to the challenges of peace and international security and other challenges such as the economic crisis that is shocking the world, sustainable development and the unrestricted respect for human rights” pointed out Perceval during the ceremony.

The new ambassador also underlined that “Argentina trusts in the UN action to reach a fair, peaceful and long lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute relative to the Islas Malvinas question”.

Ban Ki-moon recalled the latest meetings with President Cristina Fernandez and praised her leadership in different fields of international relations. He also congratulated Argentina for having been chosen to join the Security Council and expressed his confidence on the constructive role that the country would display.

Ms Perceval insisting with the Malvinas issue said “it was a colonial situation characterized by the UN doctrine as ‘special and particular’ in the agenda of decolonization process”.

“All the region in the framework of Unasur and Celac are closely following the good offices task entrusted to the Secretary General by the UN General Assembly to contribute to the resumption of negotiations with the UK to reach a solution to the sovereignty dispute over the Falklands/Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and surrounding maritime spaces”, said the Argentine diplomat.

Finally she underlined Argentina’s full willingness to help the UN Secretary General in its current mission, “hoping that the UK complies with its obligation to establish a dialogue to solve this chronic colonial dispute”.

Ms. Perceval served as Under-Secretary for Human Rights at the Ministry of Justice and Human Rights in Buenos Aires from 2010. In 2009, she was Under-Secretary for Institutional Reform and Strengthening of Democracy in the Argentine Presidency.

Elected Senator for the province of Mendoza in 2001, and re-elected in 2003, Ms. Perceval served in the Senate, the upper house of the Argentine National Congress, until 2009, during which time she presided over several committees, including the Committee on National Defence.

Before entering politics, Ms. Perceval was Professor of advanced epistemology at the National University of Cuyo from 1998 to 2001, having previously been Assistant Professor of the history of sciences, philosophy and metaphysics at the same institution between 1990 and 2001.

From 1988 to 1992, she was Project Director of Research on Epistemology, Gender Studies and Human Rights.

She founded and was Director of the Institute of Social Management at the University of Aconcagua. Ms. Perceval is married and has three children.
 

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1 Pirate Love (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
SELF-DETERMINATION, nuff said!
2 Conor J (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
I wonder what happened too Jorge Argüello? Most likely shot at dawn for his incompetence to get the Falklands in the eyes of, Reich Marshal Tiimerman and Fuhrer KFC.
3 Xect (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
“hoping that the UK complies with its obligation to establish a dialogue to solve this chronic colonial dispute”

What obligation would that be? Ah thats right, more lies as per usual.

These people are so dumb after Ban Ki Moon said that the UK wasn't breaching any rules, obligations or anything else and that it was for the people of the Falklands to choose their future as per the rule of self determination.

It's clear the UN sides with the right of the people of the Falkland's islands, case closed.
4 Brit Bob (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
There is no need for anyone in the UK to discuss the Falkland Islands with Argentina. The UK is NOT in breach of any UN resolutions. The Falkland Islanders have the right to self determination under the UN Charter and it is as Ban-Ki Moon says, 'People should be able to decide their own future.'

There is no dispute. Argentina is like a neighbour that wants a piece of your garden. They are not entitled to it so the dispute is only in the tiny minds of the individuals who make claim to it when therte is NO entitlement.

Remember: 1850 Convention of Settlement treaty ' State of Perfect Harmony had been restored between Britain and Argentina'.

Remember: Address to Argentine Congress by President Sariento on 1 July 1869 in which he said, 'The country had no claims on other nations'.

Remember: No claims on sovereignty submitted by Argentina between 1850 and 1941 - a gap of 50 years or more between claims on sovereignty means that any previous claim is considered defunct.

Remember - the right to self determination by the Falkland Islanders under the UN Charter.
5 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
It sounds like any time Argentina is involved in a high profile, public news release or appointment, at the UN, especially with Mr. Moon, they are required to address the Falklands issue.
6 Pirate Love (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
“Argentina trusts in the UN action to reach a fair, peaceful and long lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute relative to the Islas Malvinas question”.

as long as argentinas gets the answer its never going to get, :)
and im sure the UN will reach a fair and lasting solutions once they have witnessed the fair and free Democratic 2013 falklands referendum, Good Day!
7 ElaineB (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
Jorge Argüello is most probably paying the price for CFKC's disastrous appearances at Georgetown and Harvard. Remember her fury and wanting to pull out of the Harvard appearance? It was a poor idea and badly executed as CFKC came across as incompetent and arrogant.

I am sure Perceval got the job by promising CFKC she could force the issue and get the island for her. You only have to tell to looney what she wants to hear and then stay away as much as possible.
8 malen (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
4 “Arg is like a neighbour that wants a piece of your garden” ......which garden UK¨s garden, 16.000 km from South America???
It is the other way, you need a piece of land in SAm for your interests in oil, geographic and resources.
9 Ayayay (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:00 pm Report abuse
Argentina is really into the U.N.
10 Pirate Love (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
@8 dear malen, The falklands was already British territory LONG before Oil was a bitter issue for Argentinas dictatorship and will remain so as long as the Falklanders so wish, correct me if im wrong.
and when will you learn geographics does not entitle you instant ownership of another peoples land theres a little thing called SELF-DETERMINATION these days, should try looking it up its a good read.
11 Xect (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:11 pm Report abuse
Also the argument about geographic location is a completely false one.

The Falkland's are not owned by the UK, they are owned by the people of the Falkland Island's, all the UK does is provide defense and diplomacy to the people of the Falkland Island's that request it.

And as such the position of the UK in relation to the Falkland Islands has no relevance to ANY argument.
12 redpoll (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
“Argentine insists...” No doubt will also demand in the same vein shortly. When will she realize that arrogance in diplomacy gets her nowhere and just makes her enemies and does her no credit in the world community of nations.
13 LEPRecon (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
I love the fact tht they use the term “multilateralism” and then insist that the Falklands are a bi-lateral issue between Argentina and the UK, whilst completely ignoring the rights and opinions of the only people who actually matter - the Falkland Islanders.

It beggars belief just how stupid, vain and arrogant they sound.
14 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
Is it me or is the Ambassadors name somewhat ironic.
Anyone like to guess where her people emmigrated from?
15 Dr. Jeorbbels (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
“chronic colonial dispute” ? no colony... no colonial dispute! what we do have is the rapacious demands of CFK to establish Argentine sovereignty of the Falklands and to colonise the Falklands.
16 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
what a crock of shite.....and so it goes on, as PL says the Falklands were a BOT long before oil even entered the arguement. Malen you are like a child that can't get what it wants, Hawaii is miles from the US as is Alaska, French Guiana is miles away from France yet you don't gob off about them, you need to grow up, Argentina's desperation is really staring to smell very bad now, and the worst thing is the whole UN thing is an embarresment, poor Mr Moon must be saying “oh no not these halfwits again, didn't they understand my last statement about SELF DETERMINATION” whilst the rest of the UN delegates walk away chuckling, saying under thier breath poor man he's been caught by the rg's again, show some fookin pride FFS
17 Gordo1 (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
Somebody should tell her not to interfere in the internal affairs of the Falkland Islands.
Also she should have realised by now that the UN has no jurisdiction over the affairs of the Falkland Islands.
18 Brit Bob (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
Argentine default expected on December 15th when default investors are scheduled to be paid.

The IMF is also in town on December 17th with their 'red card' - they are still producing misleading statistics on growth and inflation.

The Peso will no doubt have to be devalued.

Merry Christmas Argentina!
19 Trunce (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:36 pm Report abuse
Ban Ki-moon surely knows what it must be like to be afflicted with tinnitus....
20 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
When is the next 'demonstration' scheduled?
21 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
Ms. Perceval served as Under-Secretary for Human Rights at the Ministry of Justice and Human Rights in Buenos Aires from 2010. In 2009, she was Under-Secretary for Institutional Reform and Strengthening of Democracy in the Argentine Presidency. From 1988 to 1992, she was Project Director of Research on Epistemology, Gender Studies and Human Rights.
See that word HUMAN RIGHTS keeps cropping up, two faced twat, what about the Falkland Islanders HUMAN RIGHTS, and whats gender studies? looking at willys and things?
22 Anbar (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
Ignoring the knee-jerk responses from some above this statement is a considerable change in language-tone by Argentina... if you take the time to view it objectively.

The statement, taken in conjunction with Ban ki-moons previous comments is a pretty significant climb-down and cooling-off of Argentina's previously aggressive stance taken via the C24 (and by CFK).

It is, too all intents & purposes saying “OK, we wont go against the UN, even if they have just shut the door in our face”.

Pretty significant in its even-handedness and calm wording imo.
23 Trunce (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
Sounded like begging to me!
24 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
@21
I can only think she is a hypocrite, deceiving herself as well as others.

Epistemology:
The study of knowledge, particularly the distinction between justified belief and opinion.

:- )
25 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
sounds like desperation to me and smells of...........................
26 Trunce (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
@24

Thanks for that, I thought it was Wepissemoffology.
27 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
Slatzzz.
When she means is it's everybodys right to have a willy! sorry, I mean 50% of us have the right to a willy. Hang on a minute, come to think of it, yep, the other 50% also have a right to a willy, if you get my meaning!
28 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:03 pm Report abuse
Epistemology, metaphysics and philosophy.....what a powerhouse of brain cells, a regular Einstein in thinking. Maybe she can explain to kirchner, metaphysically speaking from a epistemologic point of view, that philosophically.........Self determination means no way.
C24 has run it's course and currently exceeds it's mandate. When in the time when territories was controlled by the ruling country, and the territory had limited to no say over their destiny, c24 had a purpose. The remaining so called “colonies” are self governed and choose to remain a territory and the country they choose accept that relationship. They can hang all the funny degrees on all the walls they want to and nothing is going to change. Pick up your bags Argentina, move on and deal with your debt.
29 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
i mean really, no one gave a tuppeny toss about rgenweener till they started this incessant bullying of the Falklands (again). Even after 1982, they had slipped into the background of most people, even vets of the conflict, and no one cared if they were doing well or not, it didn't affect our lives, however, now they have put themselves on the world stage of stupidist countries by thier constant bleating, lying, bullying and crap rhetoric they wonder why we bear a grudge and need to come on here to shoot them down in shit. They prove themselves ignorant by not doing some history, and by that I don't mean just the Trolls but thier so called goverment, who blatently spout shite to try to brainwash thier followers (and succeed judging by the idiots that post on here). To threaten people or nations you need the muscle (both financial and otherwise) or knowledge to back it up, something argentina lacks in spades otherwise people just laugh at you.................hence
30 Conqueror (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
@8 Alright, it's one of our allotments. Allotted by the UN. Now sod off!
@22 Hope you're right. Can we have all the malvinistas shot?
@28 Perhaps the next time the Falkland Islanders attend the C24 they should take a couple of Uzis in their diplomatic bag.
31 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
I love the use of the words, “trusts in the UN.”

Well Argentina can trust as much as she likes, the simple fact is that it is not going to happen. Sovereignty will never pass to them.

As for trust, I was always taught that trust was a commodity that was best earned, usually by example.

So as far as I can see, Argentina has a long, long way to go before the FI's, after all, they are who this is all about, trusts them.
32 ChrisR (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
Epistemology is that part of philosophy that asks “what can we know?” “What can we be sure of?” “How do we get beyond mere opinion to real knowledge?”

Seems like the usual philosophical approach to wishy washy pseudo-science to me. You could see it as a load of bollocks but obviously this woman is not stupid, she got a full-time career out of this nonsense.

Now if she had a PhD in astrophysics, mathematics or some other qualification that involved using her brain and not navel gazing I would be interested in what she might say.

Opponent for TMBOA at the next election, assuming the Mad Bitch is still alive?
33 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
Another thing that astounds me about all of this involvement in the UN. Can anyone ever think of a time when the UN has imposed its will over the wishes of a population of a free, democratic people.

I've tried and I can not think of a single one. Now I am not a diplomat, but If I can recognise that, why can they not?

So why are they wasting their time in the U? , it never has happened and it never will.
34 redpoll (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
“Strumpetress what are you sounding now? A retreat?
No madam It is thy death knell politically”
35 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
I think this is inconsequential and nothing will come of it.
She made a public media appearance with Nan Ki-moon and was obligated to her government to repeat the party line.
36 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
What make me laugh is the trolls (apart from maybe simon68) don't even live in rgenweener, we have BK and his tissues (say no more), Pro arg/ sussie who lives and sponges off the US, Guzz who lives in Sweden/denmark depending what day it is, Stink who lives in Canada, Lightstink who is Thinks twin sister/brother, and a few others like malen and and a few other (lets get nuclear weapons for rgenweener built in rgenweener), who constantly bleet, but can instantly change the subject to Iraq and Isreal at the drop of a hat, well hope TMBOA is paying you well for making tits of yourselfs...................oh there's another one TIT
37 War Monkey (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
Simon 68 is no troll.
38 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
@37 read my post again
39 surfer (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
#37 seconded, very decent guy from what I can tell.
40 inthegutter (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
#36 it does read that you consider him a troll.
41 Pete Bog (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
“Ms Perceval insisting with the Malvinas issue said “it was a colonial situation characterized by the UN doctrine as ‘special and particular’ in the agenda of decolonization process”.”

Words that have not been echoed by Ban Ki Moon, who is continually emphasising Independence for former colonies, not colonisation by other powers.

The 2013 referendum is going to make Argentine membership of the UN Security Council a fairly miserable event for them, especially if the MLA's continue to complain about the clearly biased C24 committteee who are supposed (acccording to Ban Ki Moon), to visit the territories on the C24 list not to ignore them.

Argentina thinks it can simply bypass the UN Charter with regard to the Falkland Islands.

It can't .
42 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
no sorry if it comes across that way Simon68 is the only one that speaks any sense, shame the rest don't listen to him. Apologies to you as well Simon68
43 Trunce (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
@ 40

Well, yes. Grammatically that would be a correct assumption. However, in modern times, one would acknowledge the raison d'etre of thought, and purpose of the comment, innit.
44 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Slatzzz
If I remember right Simon68 has had some involvement in the Emergency Services, ambulance or fire, not sure and been involved in earthquake, rescue/relief. People like that tend to have things in perspective. Also, much deserving of respect and he has mine.
45 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
@44 and mine unlike the rest ie sussie/ pro arg, malen etc etc
46 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
@38 slattzzz (#)
Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:59 pm

I am sorry I know, I am being pedantic. I am sure that you didn't mean it the way it came across.
47 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
Watch this space folks, it's about to get very interesting.
48 nigelpwsmith (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
It won't be long now before the debt default, after which Argentina starts free-falling into a hideous economic depression. The number of unemployed and starving will increase dramatically, as will the numbers of pots & pans being beaten outside the Casa Rosada. Then it is only a matter of time before TMBOA warms up her private jet and makes a dash for the airport with all the $ Billions she's stolen from the Argies.

Argentina will cease to have any significance in the UN - except as the poor man of South America with a constant hand out for charity. Of course no one (except Chavez) will help them, as they defaulted on their debts, by their own fault, because they voted a psychotic idiot (off her medication) to be president.

The only reason that Argentina was voted onto the Security Council was because CFK tried to bribe as much support as she could get from other countries. The rest were using their vote to try and stick one on Britain, as most countries carry some grudge or other. They don't care one fig for the Falklands dispute, but any opportunity to have a go at the UK and they are in their. The Foreign Office really ought to inspect the list of countries that voted for Argentina and tell the Ministry for Overseas Aid to remove these countries from their list.

Argentina will be further side-lined at the UN if they try to raise the Falklands in the Security Council. Not only would the UK veto it, but France and the US would too. When Kretina's bribes are no longer coming (because she's departed to her permanent holiday home in the Caribbean) the support for the Argies will disapate and they will become a joke, or a lesson to other nations not to let despots take over.

The whole world will see the results of the Falkland Islands Referendum. They will see that these people want to determine their own future free of control by a basket case neighbour. The Falkland Islanders have a bright future, Argentina does not.
49 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
47
Not soon enough!!
50 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
The thing is, Argentina has no vote on the security council. She may pontificate, castigate, digress, divert, disrupt and complain (running out of adjectives) has much has she like.

When it comes to a vote, the UK has a veto and that must really be annoying.

Stanby for a campaign to change the format of the council.
51 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
The only reason that Argentina was voted onto the Security Council was because CFK tried to bribe as much support as she could get from other countries. The rest were using their vote to try and stick one on Britain, as most countries carry some grudge or other. They don't care one fig for the Falklands dispute, but any opportunity to have a go at the UK and they are in there........
I think your right but now I think things are changing, David Cameron has finally grown a pair of bollocks and will hopefully not bow down to the rest of the EU surrender monkeys ref budgets etc and I think France and Germany are starting to see the same point of view (at last), which will leave rgenweener in a world of hurt. Argentina on the security council will be exposed as the frauds they are I'm afraid, to provide security you need something to provide, which in argentinas case is severly lacking.
52 briton (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
She is just another pussy cat, scratching at the legs of the UN.

There is nothing to talk about, and banki moon knows it,
It does not help when this fools keeps giving hope to losers all the time,
Unless he fancies CFK .
The UK government should just tell her to P.O.
And leave it at that,
Still
Giving dead rats hope just increases the plague.

.
53 LightThink (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
I hope UN will act and take conceivable steps in South Atlantic like was in Africa it made...based on UN articles 2(1)...2(4)...51

thinkafricapress.com/international-law-africa/sovereignty
54 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
Slatzzz
Mate, Argentina can stay on the council till hell freezes over. Our veto will always be there. They can not do a damn thing about it and that must really piss them off.

It is simple really, when you ave to make decisions that effect the world, you have to have experience in world politics and they simply do not have that experience.

It's a bit like my local pubs football team playing in the premier league.
55 redpoll (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
I think most decent Argentines are fed up with all the corrupt political class. But what alternative do they have? Suggestions please
56 LEPRecon (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
@55 - redpoll

There's nothing stopping them (the decent folk) from running for government. Tackling the institutional corruption would be difficult, but if enough decent people join forces they can do anything.

As a wise man once said: “A journey of 1000 miles starts with one step...”
57 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
@55 get rid of TMBOA and make themselves respectable in the eyes of the world again. All our spouting off on here is not addressed to the decent hardworking people of Argentina, just the idiots who think it's right to harrass and bully a BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY, they wind us up we WILL respond.
58 briton (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
The only real thing the UN needs to do in south America,
Is to tell em to grow up,[CFK ,

The rest have minor implications that will be solved in time,
No border or sovereignty disputes to worry abt,
A totally different kettle of fish ,to African countries,
As for the Falklands, CFK has no claim, and the UN is aware the basic fact that people have a right to decide who governs them, and at this moment in time they prefer to remain British, with a view to future independence,
But sadly CFK and the argentine government refuse this right,
The only problem is argentines refusal to let others decide their own future, and mind their very own business.
End of.

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59 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
@58 well said
60 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
Therein lies the problem. who are the decent Argentinians? certainly not the nationalists who could not give a flying fuck about a population who, by what ever quirk of fate have inhabited a group of islands for two, I repeat, two centuries, longer than their own country has even existed.

Those Argentinians who without a by your leave, would expel the Islanders or seek to change their way of life by decree and not consultation. As evidenced in their behaviour during their illegal occupation.

So what about the decent Argentinians, well so far, their absence belies any confidence that an exchange of sovereignty, god forbid, would benefit the Islands.

You missing Argentines, ask yourself this? Why would a people exchange a way of life, has they percieve it, not you percieve it, for a way of life that leaves them worse off? Answer, they would not, would you?

Slatzzz is right, use all and every legal means at their disposal to propogate their claim. Resort to force and we will respond, just has we responded on the previous occasion. Only bear this in mind, in 82 we were unprepared, we adapted and we overcame. The circumstances, in main, due to their invasion have changed. We are ready if needs be and be assured, we will prevail again.
61 Pirate Love (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
it does not matter who runs Argentina, at the end of the day the majority of its people will still have the same outlook towards the Falklands and always will regardless of any Democratic referendum which is disturbing in itself, that the islands are their birth right and The Falklands folk are trespassers sucking up their resources regardless of how unreasonable it sounds to the rest of the civilized world, the only reason argentina isnt a valid threat is because they are far from having their sh*t in order and they have other pressing matters being run by a bi-polar clown being one,
the referendum however will show the world The falklands true wishes, but unfortunately i think will fall on mainly deaf argentine ears, nothing will change for the majority of argentines their misinformation/Ignorance is certainly deep rooted and ongoing!

A poll would be interesting to see the percentage of argentines who still truly believe their falkland claim before and after the referendum,
just out of curiousity.

They only way forward for Argentina is acceptance, but i dont expect them to.
62 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
PL
I am not sure that the majority of Argentinians have that outlook, Peronists? yeah, for sure. Some how I do not think that they are all Peronists, unfortunately though, their recent political past has been dominated by this type of political breed. Somewhere in Argentina, maybe has we type, is an Argentine who will change that mind set, shit thirty years ago , who would have predicted the fall of the soviet union!!!!!

Then and only then, perhaps the Islanders and I stress Islanders, will sit down with their neighbours and come some accord. but not until then!!!
63 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
@61 i fear you are bang on with above post
64 brucey-babe (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
Tell me, who would like to sit opposite Cristina at a poker table ?
65 War Monkey (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
@61 Pirate Love (#)
Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:23 pm

If they stopped the indoctrination in the schools then maybe not.
66 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
Brucey babe.
Ahhh that simple. Wyatt THATCHER!!!!!
67 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
@64 BB

is her face capable of expression?

Seriously, of there are any negotiations, CFK will not be at the table.

She will be long dead or have long vamoosed!
68 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
Slatzzz
.Help me out mate. Have a big secret santa problem at work. Drew my boss, turns out he's an ex Ganges Boy. knew there was something I liked about the man. Tenner Max to spend, been on the net looking for a good book for him, any ideas. Appreciate any suggestions. By the way, he's on 90 grand a year. not bad for a blanket stacker!!
69 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
the thing is with these idiots on here they don't realise what our feeling on this subject is. In 1982 they may have had a chance, us that sailed south on that fateful day (and i'll be honest here) didn't know anything about the Falkland Islands but once we were told it was a BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY we had no doubt about what to do. We all p[rayed it would never come to the situation that it did but as they say the rest is history. My point is that once rgenweener invaded thier chances of ever getting thier hands in the Falkland Islands went out the window and that remains the situation to this day, so no amount of crying to the UN, C24 etc etc will make any bit of difference, I would happily eat my own spleen than see a compromise over the Falklands with Rgenweener
70 redpoll (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
69 Whats spleen taste like? Never eaten one let alone my own!
71 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
dont know till we make a compromise with rgenweener.... guess i never will
72 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
@70
Ask a Gurkha, they eat them for breakfast!
@71 Slatzzz
Sounds like an Elton John song! LMFO putting your words to that music!!!
73 M's Bulldog (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
Guys tell me....... Why are there no counter arguments from our opposition this evening. Has the funding stopped? :-)
74 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 10:53 pm Report abuse
reallity check , check this out www.forever-jack.com/forever-jack/Welcome.html
75 Martin Woodhead (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 10:59 pm Report abuse
Even if the islanders spoke spanish they would not be hurrying to become part of argentina its not exactly a success is it ?
76 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 11:12 pm Report abuse
@74 Slatzzz
Cheers, found just what I needed, he's a Mancunian, think he's fed up getting their paraphanalia every Crimbo.
77 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
@76 no probs matey they do some good stuff not just navy if you need a design i'll give him a shout and see what he can do
78 nigelpwsmith (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
Argentina has no hope (as a country) until they get rid of politicians who are only interested in enriching themselves at the expense of the population.

People used to believe that the Mafia ran Italy. In truth, it's the big businessmen who use the Mafia, but wield economic power over the masses.

A large number of Italians emigrated to Argentina & brought with them the mentality that it is every person for themselves & forget the rest. Over time, this point of view has become socially engrained & acceptable. To the point where the population expect the politicians to have their hands in the cookie jar. That's why they accept CFK's theft of the millions from Sante Fe province. They don't expect any politician to be altruistic. Probably don't even understand the concept. Argentines have tolerated some pretty awful circumstances over the years. The midnight arrest raids and bodies floating out to sea. The problem is that they cannot find anyone honest to take over the country. So the same old corrupt individuals keep screwing up the economy, whilst robbing the country blind.

I believe that the problem starts at an early stage. Argentine children are brought up to believe that they have to take advantage of others or they will never succeed in life. They are indoctrinated with a false history of the Falkland Islands. They are told that it is their patriotic national duty to recover them. They are spoon fed these lies and as they have no opportunity to find out the truth, they believe them. The young conscripts who invaded the Islands in 82 could not understand why they were not welcomed with open arms by the oppressed inhabitants.

There are some progressive Argentines who want the best for their country, but they are very few in number. There are also some that visited the islands & know the truth.

If Argentina ever does get some decent politicians which I doubt, then they could do a lot worse than trade with the Falkland Islanders & send school children on visits.
79 reality check (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
Slatzzz
No problems mate, ordered on of those Thermo Mugs with a HMS Ganges crest and a stores assistants badge to put inside, bit over budget, but what the hell, something unique to the man! Thanks for the link.
@78
What? your telling us what we already know, that those with money want more and could not give a shit who they fuck to get it!
80 slattzzz (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 11:41 pm Report abuse
@78 good post
81 Lord Ton (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 12:34 am Report abuse
The Official press release is telling in what it does not say !

www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2012/bio4429.doc.htm
82 nigelpwsmith (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 12:41 am Report abuse
@79 Yes it is re-stating the truth as we see it - as outsiders. The problem is that even after the Junta was deposed, the democrats that took over were just as corrupt and not really interested in dealing with the Falklands problem. It brought up bad memories, the deaths, the humiliation.

Argentines would rather forget that they lost the war in 82 and why they lost it. They blame Britain - not themselves. They stand around a flag or a monument and sing their national anthem, whilst honouring the people that fell in battle and promising to return and capture the Islands.

The problem is that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.

But you can teach a young dog the truth and get them to understand reality and work with it.

Half the problem is a lack of understanding of the true history. Argentines are spoon fed lies, but they don't know it's lies. If those children were given a chance to see the Islands for themselves and see how the Falkland Islanders live - as British people living on land they've lived on for 200 years, then they might accept that there is a different point of view.

Argentina needs to mature. They need to come to terms with the fact that these Islands are not theirs. They need to realise that they cannot demand someone else hand over their territory. They need to learn that you cannot win anything by wars of aggression. They need to understand that the true way to find peace and stability, is to trade with the Islanders, do cultural visits to them, find out what it means to be an Islander and respect them, their way of life and the right to determine their own destiny.

Argentina will never stop being aggressive towards the Islanders, until they can come to terms with their colonial attitude. Argentina was a colony and still has a colonial outlook - to seize land and occupy it, as they did in Patagonia. They need to learn that this is unacceptable in the modern world.

The only way to win friends is through trade, trust and respect.
83 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 01:25 am Report abuse
“I believe that the problem starts at an early stage. Argentine children are brought up to believe that they have to take advantage of others or they will never succeed in life.”

That in itself is such a broad stroked statement if ever their was one. Not sure how many Argentines you know, but most of the ones I know, visit and communicate are not indoctrinated. That would be like my believing that all Brits have bad teeth, we Americans all wear cowboy hats and boots. You find a turd for an Argentine here, in the country you are less likely to find these types, but in the poverty areas you will.

This web site does not reflect the actual nature of any country.
84 reality check (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 02:04 am Report abuse
Cap
Well said, my teeth are not bad, I take them out every night, clean them and put them in a glass of water beside my bed.
85 War Monkey (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 02:48 am Report abuse
@82 nigelpwsmith (#)
Nov 25th, 2012 - 12:41 am

Good post Nige'. Nicely thought out.

If only.
86 reality check (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 03:10 am Report abuse
@85
True, except for one thing, Argentines do not believe they lost the war, they blame the war on the junta. The junta lost the war, not Argentina. It is their way of coping with the humiliation of defeat. Believe me that is how they think about it! how they cope with it. Shame, because I do not want to see it happen again.

On an historical point, just what did they think would happen if they attacked a nation with 2000 years of a history of warfare. incredulous, gobsmacking, shitfucking, stupidity, no other words for it! I repeat 2000 years of recorded history of warfare, just beyond comprehension!
87 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 03:29 am Report abuse
Then again I can be wrong on some points. I live with my opinions, so I like mine more. Quite frankly though, I never have yet bumped into a Brit in Argentina.
88 nigelpwsmith (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 03:34 am Report abuse
You might like to read this blog by an Argentinian. He lives in BA and is training to be an architect, so he can leave for the United States.

ferfal.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Argentina

He hates CFK and knows that one day the SHTF (Shit will Hit The Fan). The blog is up to date and it paints a different perspective on Argentine life. I feel genuinely sorry for him. He remarked that he knew a middle-class woman in 2008 who asked if there was someone, anyone, even someone dying of cancer, who could put a bullet through Kretina's head!
89 The Chilean perspective (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 08:05 am Report abuse
The Chilean dilema: A special Falklands TVN Chile report (castellano)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Din9CqlYsNk&feature=colike
90 War Monkey (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 11:59 am Report abuse
@89 The Chilean perspective (#)
Nov 25th, 2012 - 08:05 am

Sorry mate I watched it and it looks like a fair report. I can't speak Spanish though, can you give us the gist of what these people are saying please?
91 Gordo1 (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 12:00 pm Report abuse
It is reported in the British Sunday papers(25/11/2012) that a gang of Quebracho yobs attacked a cruise ship agency in Bs As yesterday for being the agent of two lines which take visitors to the Falkland Islands. No police arrived to deal with this act of hooliganism.

What has happened to civilisation in Argentina?
92 BritishguyfromLondon (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
I can blow the Argentine argument about geographical location out of the water quite easily. My friend's dad has a small house in Australia where they go most summers. My friend's family is British and always has been, yet they also own some land in Australia. Now tell me Argentina, does their British nationality mean that they have no right to have a holiday home in Australia? No it doesn't. Just because you own some land which is very far away doesn't mean that you have no right to it. The Falklanders have their own democratic government anyway - the governor largely acts in an advisory capacity. Britain's only real interference in Falkland affairs is with regard to defence and to some extent foreign policy. They'd have their independence by now if it wasn't for Argentina's aggressive stance.
93 brucey-babe (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
@68 reality check
to your mate Slatzz,
If I may interject, a good book of `Argentine War Heroes` comes to mind plus there is a bonus of lots of change out of your tenner !
94 LEPRecon (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
@91 - Gordo

The police didn't turn up as it was 'government' sanctioned violence, similar to when they attacked the British Embassy earlier this year.

They are like the Nazi's in this regards. The Nazi Party would organise protests pointing to the 'enemy' who was responsible for all the ills of the German people (the jews in this case), work them up into a frenzy, and let them lose. They even had 'organisers' in the background directing attacks against Jewish shops and businesses.

But as the Nazi Party weren't 'directly' involved they would shrug and say it was the 'will' of the people, while remaining 'blameless' themselves.

In this case you only need to swap Nazi for Peronist, Jew for Falkland Islanders/British, but the rest of the modus operandi is the same.

The government direct from behind the scenes, then say they are not responsible, whilst at the same time 'blaming' the Falklanders/British for all the ills of Argentina - a convenient scape goat, espeically when they themselves have cause ALL the ills of Argentina through corruption and complete incompetence.

The main difference here is that the Falklanders are well protected, unlike the poor unfortunate victims of Nazi Germany.
95 nigelpwsmith (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
The Population elected the Thugs and Mafia run the Government.

They let convicted murderers out of jail, so long as they support Kretina and are willing to murder on her behalf.

As the Mafia run the Government, the Police are powerless to control crime. There are now areas of Argentina which are no better (or worse) than the American Wild West, where the law belonged to the person with the biggest gun. Crime is so bad that most muggings end up with the victim being killed. Even the most secure and richest areas have rampant crime.

The military are powerless to act. CFK made sure that they were neutered, as they were the only people capable of bringing her dictatorship to a prompt end.

In truth, the only way to bring CFK's reign of terror to an end would be for someone close to her to assassinate her. But she's well aware of this. I suspect the real reason that she cancelled so many trips abroad was nothing to do with her health, more to do with preventing a coup d'etat whilst she was away.

It reminds me of Hitler's Germany. You might even believe that Kretina organised the takeover and the elections with assistance from ex-Nazis (if most of them weren't already dead) and is using the criminals to control the population.

What Argentina needs is a few good men to step up and carry out a proper military style coup. The problem then is who do they hand the country over to? I wouldn't trust any Argentine businessmen, because they've been forced to work within corrupt system at present. The Judges and the legal system are equally suspect. There maybe some in the Universities who might be honest enough to do a good job, but would they want to end up on the receiving end of Kretina's revenge?

Argentina could do a lot worse then let Chile or Uruguay invade and take over. The poor are already starving. Expect to see reports from new crews of starvation in a country that used to produce masses of food. The end is not long away now.
96 Gordo1 (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
The Quebracho event I commented upon above took place on November 19th, the National Day of Argentina. What a way to celebrate your nation!
97 redpoll (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
Nigel, leprechaun and D.
Some interesting concepts there. But assasination or war isnt the answer. It just produces anarchy and lets the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse out of the stable. Yes the end is nigh politically for the botox queen. Perhaps that anorexic Ghandi had the right idea ; just dont pay your taxes! We all have a right to strike, so show your disapproval of your govt by not paying them. But after Cristina who or what? Another lot of from the corrupt political classes intent on enriching themselves at the expenses of the folk they supposedly represent? I cant see a solution, Can you?
Btw, Think has gone awful quiet just lately. Gone fishing again maybe?
98 agent999 (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2238033/Foreign-Office-fury-Argentina-allows-thugs-smash-Falklands-tour-office-U-S-travel-firm-cancels-holidays.html
99 LightThink (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
[95

Are there any ICCEA members who comment here ?

www.counterpunch.org/2010/04/09/silent-coup/
100 agent999 (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
@99
you really are showing your stupidity now LightThink
101 slattzzz (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
@99 you are a complete airhead
102 LightThink (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
[ 100... [ 101 ,

was just sinless question...

what about your panic ?
----------------------
[ 101

you should use english language more carefully......

“ airhead ”“ has also the meaning of ”“ a person who protected at enemy zone ”“0r ”“enemy controlled region ””..however i am only a free man. !
103 slattzzz (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
@102 no airhead means you've nothing between your ears except AIR
104 LightThink (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
[ 103

hhhmmm...

sorry...i figured it out as “” enemy person “” .
just learned...
105 slattzzz (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
@104 you are not my enemy, however, you are an airhead
106 LightThink (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
[ 105

You mean “ parachute man ”” !
107 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
#88 that is more in line like the Argentines I know. Even when they travel, international that is, they feel shame and embarrassment to say they are Argentine.
#95 How would you remove someone from power in England? In the USA....Obama won just over 61 million and Romney won just over 58 million. That is 119 million out of 319 million people.....I am sure England has better turnout but the point is that just because someone wins does not mean they have the population and I don't think a coup is the best answer as it does nothing for democracy as does assassination, this country has seen it's share. hey people need to get a process going to to vote out her minions in the mid terms. That's the only way change will take place in Argentina. Unfortunately the Stockholm takes affect after a while. I the USA we've been sick of all the candidates making it to the general election and many people just say fuck it.
108 ElaineB (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
@96 I saw reports of that. I don't know if it was library picture but the thugs were wearing the same tea-towels on their heads as the gang that attacked UK businesses a while back.

@95 I pretty much agree with your assessment of the Argentine psyche. The idea of getting something for nothing is perfectly acceptable. They don't pay taxes, dodge train fares, toll charges, anything to best 'the system'. There is no sense of the social contract you would expect in a society that claims to be socialist.

In my experience there the people have the attitude that all politicians lie and steal so they just vote for the person they think they can personally gain from. The education of the masses is pretty bad and that ensures a large section of society will never really get out of poverty or ignorance.
109 Think (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
To Mr. Joe Bloggs and other Kelpers with interests in the Cruise Ship Industry……

You said:
”30 Joe Bloggs Nov 17th, 2012
I can assure you that no cruise ships will be stopped for political reasons in 12/13.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/17/planning-for-when-the-2016-airport-st-helena-after-closer-links-with-faklands

I say….:
Oooooooooooops……:
”It is believed that a visit to Stanley by the cruise ship the AIDAcara has been cancelled due to pressure from Argentina.”

”The cruise ship the Veendam also recently cancelled two visits to Stanley. When asked whether the Veendam’s cancellations were due to pressure from Argentina, MLA Summers said that the cancellations had been suspicious.”
www.firs.co.fk/news.php

Three canceled cruise ships for political reasons……….. And we are still in November….........
Your assurances are not very reassuring, Mr Bloggs……
110 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
#94 Politics could be a good alternative to war, but if history can surely show us that people with the guns always prevailed,
For this reason I support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina, other then that all this innuendo is always entertaining for fools alike, Mercopress gets a 8 out of 10 for trying. Too bad that the mentioning of any resolution to the conflict is used to work the English up into a frenzy and spread lies and more war mongering innuendo, Brits history in the world can be an eye opener for anyone willing to understand how theft and murder is conducted worldwide.
111 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
Go back in your hole piss hinter
112 Simon68 (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
Thank you for your vote of confidence!!!!!

I'm sure the malvinistas see me as troll, which makes me very proud!!!!!

For those who are interested, one of the major culprits for Argentina's terribly poor showing, both politically and economically is a chap called Ernesto Laclau who teaches a mad sort of leftist ideology at Essex University. Here is the Wikipedia page about him: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Laclau

He has this thing about populist governance and apears to have convinced the kirchnerist rabble to experiment on Argentina. I guess he will write a paper on it showing why it was such a failure!!!!!!

No sane person has a chance of bringing Argentina into the modern world until the people realize that peronism will never produce that which it promises. Peronism is NOT an ideology, it is an operating system for storing up power and dependes on a badly educated, desperately poor voting base. Until it is done away with Argentina will go on being a very third world banan republic!!!!!!
113 LEPRecon (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
@107 - Captain Poppy

By 'England' I assume you mean the UK.

Well it depends on the circumstances. The electorate could vote them out at the next general election.

The government could get a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons, which usually means its time for the PM to go.

In the case if a hung parliament where both the government and opposition aren't acting in the best interests of the country - in other words a stalemate where nothing is getting done in the country, and they can't come to a working arrangement, Her Majesty the Queen can dissolve Parliament and call an immediate general election. The Civil Service is non-partisan and keeps the country 'ticking over' until there is a new government.

@110 - Pirat

How we've missed your nuclear weapon rants.

However it wouldn't matter if Argentina had a nuke or not, the Falklands would remain under the government that their people want.

Any use of a nuclear weapon against the Falklands would see Argentina wiped off the map. But you don't care about that do you? You live in Canada.
114 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
“Holland America Line's MS Veendam cancelled a stop at the Falklands due on Friday. Meanwhile AIDA's AIDAcara has reportedly cancelled a stop planned at Port Stanley on December 3”
Welcome to mainland Argentina.
115 slattzzz (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
@109 so your proud of your bullying tactics i take it stink, well i hope that the cruise liners see sense and stop visiting rgenweener and take thier trade elsewhere ie Urugauy and Chile and of course the Falkland Islands, after all there will soon be nothing to see in rgenweener except riots and rubbish all over the streets
116 KFC de Pollo (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
@78 it was Santa Cruz province the kirchners robbed blind not Santa Fe
117 ElaineB (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
I think the press about US tourists being shot in Florida Street and the anti-English attacks will soon deter tourists from wanting to go to Argentina. What the customer wants, the customer gets. Argentines never think it through do they.
118 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
In the case if a hung parliament where both the government and opposition aren't acting in the best interests of the country - in other words a stalemate where nothing is getting done in the country, and they can't come to a working arrangement, Her Majesty the Queen can dissolve Parliament and call an immediate general election.

I wish we had an overseer like that!

Elaine, I disagree with you, I don't think you know the mind of the American tourist.
119 Pirate Love (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
@109 very good of you to bring to light the criminal acts by the argentine government to interfere in the economic development of another nation, not quite sure how that will go down with The UN as im sure that does qualify as an abuse of human rights, but what do we expect from a government(and i use that word loosely) that is facing the abyss, Desperate times and desperate people equals desperate measures,and Crustina is extremely desperate.

regardless of any cancellations The Hardy Falklands folk will still be there resilient as ever practising their right to SELF-DETERMINATON, a human right argentina cannot interfere with.

Heres to Argentinas suffering, and the Falklands prosperity long may they both continue!
120 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
112 Simon68

There speaks the only sane, clear thinking man in the whole of Argentina..............
121 Think (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
(117)
What tourist shot in Florida?
These ones……?:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8459813/Britons-shot-in-Florida-killed-as-part-of-gang-initiation.html

Or are you referring to those two innocent and law abiding Americans that followed a total stranger up to a fifth floor apartment near Florida Street with the declared intention of changing their dollars in the black market and who got duly robbed and shot during their ”little voluntary flirt” with the local shady elements…......
www.clarin.com/inseguridad/Asalto-Centro_0_815918525.html

What a pair of turnips…..
122 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
“hoping that the UK complies with its obligation to establish a dialogue to solve this chronic colonial dispute”.

What obligation? What chronic colonial dispute? What dialogue?

“and trusts in the UN to reach a fair, peaceful and long lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute in the Malvinas issue”

We already solved that one didn't we? that's why we have troops stationed here, to stop the little buggers from trying to create a “long lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute”. ( like they tried to back in 1982 ).

All this does is unline how totally out of place the UN is when trying to “deal” with this kind of “chronic colonial dispute” If this clown Ban Ki-moon had ANY sense he would have smiled and just said “Talk to the islanders”

Now, there will be the usual parade of hollywood has-beens and out-of-touch nobel peace prize winners and aging pop stars all eager for last bit of limelight in the twilight of their years, spouting on about how this needs to be “settled” and wouldn't it be great this was “sorted” out but not one has ever listened to what the islanders want..........

I remember, in Bowling for Columbine, Maralyn Manson ( whose music was partly blamed for the shootings ( duh!! ) ) was asked what he would do. He said “I would listen to the people and find out what they want, because no one has done that yet” well, UN.... please take note.
123 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
Only you would take great glee in reporting this or feel that they deserved to die.

No, strike that. Your attitude sounds typical of the young La Campora thugs and sleazebag a that post on here.

The lesson to be learned is as a tourist, you can easily be victimised by trusting others.
In Argentina, friendly visitors can lose their lives this way and the locals find it amusing, to boot !!
All foreigners it seems are despised and there to be plundered, it seems.

From what I've read by Argentinians on here and about Argentinisns, elderly people who want to bring their money and retire in Argentina peacefully, are particularly reviled and laughed at when they are robbed.

I don't see anything redeeming in your culture or your society.

Truly best that foreigners stop going there. Your middle class is already living under siege, holed up in their homes - what a way to live.

The Falklanders are right to keep you at arm's length.
124 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
113 LEPRecon

Isn't there some UN treaty about not letting retards have nuclear weapons?

If there is isn't, then there ought to be..............
125 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
Think am I interpreting you correctly? Everyone is creates their own situation and responsible for their actions and results? I agree.......Now tell that to the cunt face ruining your country.

HEAR “THINK” ARGENTINA>>>>>PAY YOUR BILLS< HE CALMS YOU ARE TURNIPS!!!
126 slattzzz (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
only the dickhead that is stink could make light of two innocent people being murdered
127 Monty69 (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
109 Think

I don't think that companies trying to protect their staff from thugs wielding baseball bats counts as 'political reasons'.
Although I'm prepared to concede that this might be what constitutes a political process where you come from.

Pitiful. You couldn't get anywhere by legal means so your government hires hooded criminals to try some strong arm tactics. It rather puts your poor woman at the UN blithering on about 'peace and dialogue' out on a limb, doesn't it? Who in their right minds would even consider allowing us to be handed over to you lot? Apart from your neighbours, who you've also bought with similar tactics.
128 Steve-32-uk (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
'Falklands: Britain calls on European Union to pile pressure on Argentina'

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9701416/Falklands-Britain-calls-on-European-Union-to-pile-pressure-on-Argentina.html
129 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
Steve I would say most civilized countries would call that “Terrorism” plain and simple. So I guess Argentina is going to resort to terrorist tactics and crying, stomping your feed and blowing the UN counsels.
130 stick up your junta (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
Enjoy think, the Argie's on the slippery slope
Kristallnacht
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4aXjC_MKr4
131 Britworker (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
I actually think it's a really good thing what they did to that travel office, it visually demonstrates to the world the depths they are prepared to plunge and what kind of people they truly are. This won't effect the Falklands in any way other than perfectly demonstrating the difference between the two people's.
132 Think (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
(127) Monty69

Hold your horses, feed your chicken and stop whining my dear Kelperette……

..... - “No government hired no hooded criminals here” - ……

The Cruise companies have been, since more than three years, duly warned and informed about the heightening tensions over the ”Malvinas Issue” and about their participative role and responsibility in the said issue........
Put simply….. They will have to choose……. Argentina or the Falklands…..

Let the best tourist destination win….
133 briton (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
Early on in the blogg,
Someone asked where are all the Argies tonight,

Near the end, they come in swarms,
There supervisor tells em what to say, and they all flood on at the same time.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Poor indocronoughts,
They miss the opening story,
And jump in half way through with assumptions,
And lose the arguments,
Still
If you look through keyholes, expect a black eye [boot polish]]. Lolol.

.
134 ChrisR (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
@132 I don't Think aka The Deputy of Blind_Scottie_Kichernerist (motto: stupidity is our forte)

Tactics like the obviously government sponsored (see the same rag-head towels ALWAYS worn by these cowards) terrorists must mean you lot are scared witless: oh I forgot, you bunch don’t have any wits, of how successful the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) are at diplomacy when compared to the idiots you have making the country look like a complete bunch of loons. At least they get that bit right without knowing it.

Laughing over two innocent but stupid people who were murdered? We know they were stupid, they went to Argentina, but this attitude is what we have come to expect from a bitter and twisted old has-been of your ilk. Found any Policia in Chubut lately after all their troubles? Mind you, who in their right mind would involve the Policia in anything knowing full well the likelihood of being killed by them anyway?

I can see the end in sight for what is left of the so called ‘society’ in your country; I just hope you are in the vanguard when the TMBOAs thugs come to Chubut.

Burnt and smashed Swede anyone?
135 Think (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
To Ms. Monty96 and other Kelpers with interests in the Cruise Ship Industry……

Direct from the horse’s mouth……:
www.facebook.com/sulivanshipping/posts/425871300799820
”We have just had word that the AIDAcara due to visit on the 3rd December has cancelled her visit due to the current POLITICAL SITUATION in Argentina. A huge blow for all involved, lets hope this doesn't continue throughout the season”

I say....:
A huge blow for all involved, lets hope this does continue throughout the season...........
136 Pete Bog (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
Have the Argentines actually thought that using criminal thugs will actually decrease tourism to Argentina as a result of this?
137 Xect (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
It's interesting that we are seeing the real 'Think' who has unmasked himself as someone who clearly enjoys seeing paid thugs harass and upset innocent people who are actually Argentinian's. Do you have no shame?

Are we surprised Argentina keeps finding new lows? No

This won't change anything in the grand scheme of things and as ever with Argentine politics and economics, short sighted thinking that will continue to backfire and destroy Argentina. CFK scored a spectacular own goal just this week doing just the same.

Argentina doesn't need any enemies, it is its own biggest enemy.
138 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
128 Steve-32-uk

“No police were on hand to intervene and no subsequent arrests have followed”

mmmm, not really suprised though, La campora probably has the police on their payroll.

This sounds just like the rent-a-mob that attacked the British embassy....

By the way, does anyone know who planted the bomb that exploded in BA a couple of week after the embassy was attacked? or ( as expected ) are there “no leads”???

135 Think

Forget trying to sound sincere, I can almost see you smiling as you post, The very fact that you address them as “other Kelpers” shows you to be lacking in human emotion.
You have the emotional range of a teaspoon and wouldn't know sincerity if it sat on your face and wiggled.
139 Clyde15 (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
#110
No they don't.
Your lot came in 1982 with lots of guns but did not prevail.
140 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
110 Pirat-Hunter

“but if history can surely show us that people with the guns always prevailed”

.........Like I said, somewhere there is a village that is missing it's idiot
141 Think (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
Politics or Weather?

3.bp.blogspot.com/-RS3FaDaj1to/UK_RUjVB-7I/AAAAAAAAGK8/4C99vJbIsWk/s1600/penguin.JPG

Chuckle chuckle©
142 Monty69 (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
132 Think

We've already won. If that's the best you can come up with, then you must be pretty desperate.
At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, your attitude sounds pretty familiar... 'You have been warned...for your own safety....we can't be held responsible'. State endorsed smashing up of property of people who don't agree with your 'political' views. Nice.

There were Argentines here in 1982 who wanted to kill every last Falkland Islander. Due to the well- documented courage of a few individuals, it didn't happen, but there are times when I think it was a close run thing. And you're all still there, aren't you, hiding behind your 'peace and justice' nonsense.

Given the fact that we know this, don't you think all this posturing over cruise ships is a bit pointless?
143 Think (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
(142) Monty 96

1) That minor demostration with the Quebracho people had very little to do with the cancelation of the Cruise Ships......
This has been brewing for a long time, as I have said many times before and as you can read on the Friday's Penguin I posted at (141).....

2) Police was present in force under Quebracho's demostration in front of that travel agency and, as a matter of fact, the only glass window that was broken, was smashed by the police......

3) No “posturing” over no cruise ships here.....
Just another nail on the British colonial aspirations coffin in the South-Atlantic.....
144 Xect (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
'Another nail in the coffins of the British colonial aspirations!'

BWHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHH

That definitely scores comedy post of the day! So having 2 cruise ships re-routed are damaging colonial aspirations!

Have another well deserved BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH
145 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
128 Steve
Telegraph UK article
”We don’t want them to drop the Falkland Islands from their itinerary in cruises to Argentina.”
We do...
146 José Malvinero (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
Well by this news: Only once used the word “Falkland” in this article: MALVINAS, MALVINAS, MALVINAS, plus:

Almagro condemned referendum on the Malvinas Islands

23.11.2012 | 09.09

Foreign Minister Luis Almagro defended the sovereignty of Argentina over the Malvinas Islands and condemned the UK initiative to hold a referendum among the inhabitants of the archipelago to define the political status of the territory.
The possible consultation, the Chancellor said: “We see no basis. A transplant population has no right of self-determination of peoples.”

Almagro made ​​the remarks on Wednesday during the closing session and balance of 2012 Forum Malvinas in Uruguay, in Argentina embassy residence in Montevideo.

The meeting was among others attended by the Foreign Minister Luis Almagro, Defense Minister Eleuterio Fernandez Huidobro and Senator Luis Rosadilla. The Argentine ambassador was Dante Dovena

www.espectador.com/noticias/253115/almagro-condeno-referendum-sobre-las-islas-malvinas
147 Monty69 (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
143 Think

The reason this is pointless is firstly because the economic impact will be minimal, and secondly because your conclusions about what it means are fallacious.
If cruise ship companies cave in to pressure from Argentina, it doesn't mean they agree with you. It just means they have decided, for the moment, that whatever you have threatened them with is undesirable. Their opinions of you and your 'cause' are either unchanged or more negative. We don't know yet how that plays out.

I know that my Kristellnacht analogy was also a fallacy. I was just amusing myself.

Anyway, your police don't sound very competent to me. I assume there was a good reason they were breaking windows.
148 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
@145 Mark Alexander

“We do”
- as in “we” the Government of CFK with La Campora thug support.
149 Monty69 (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
146 José Malvinero

“We see no basis. A transplant population has no right of self-determination of peoples.”

This argument is also a fallacy. It's a 'straw man' argument.
We think we have the right to determine our own future. You say that a transplanted population has no right to self determination, without establishing that we are a 'transplanted' population.
Actually, it's a completely rubbish argument on all levels; there are plenty of 'transplanted populations' around the world that have exercised the right to self determination. Let's start with the Caribbean islands shall, whose implanted populations gained their independence. Do you think they should not be independent? Do they have the right to self determination?
Looking forward to your .
150 HansNiesund (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
@146 José Malvinero

“A transplant population has no right of self-determination of peoples”

Can you direct me to the relevant international legislation that lays this principle down?
151 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
148 Troy Tempest Mark Alexander?
We the people of Argentina my dear marionette, about 40 million.
Greetings to Aqua Marina.
152 Room101 (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
The worn-out deflection from internal problems... the Conflation of issues; Falklands publicity via an ambassador to voice at the UN; as against Argentina's debts owed the United States...Navy ships grounded on the shoals of incompetence...Unions going on strike...Repressive legislation... The Falklanders won't pay your debts, Mrs CFK, nor will your diatribes make the lives of your people and better.
You should thank the Falklanders for providing you with a subject for propaganda for so long; however inept the commitment to an erroneous concept is proving to be.
153 Terence Hill (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 11:29 pm Report abuse
90 War Monkey @89 your request for the 'gist of it in English' is unnecessary for The Chilean perspective A special Falklands TVN Chile report (castellano) on www.youtube.com/watch?v=Din9CqlYsNk&feature=colike. When you start the stream press the 'CC'button; then press the 'Translate Captions'; then select 'English'. I had to redo it at least six times before the English captions started working.
154 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 11:30 pm Report abuse
@152 MA

I don't know that all 40 million would accept that just one angry troll speaks for them.

Or are you speaking for those who say they 'represent' the 40 million, the CFK government?
155 nigelpwsmith (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 12:46 am Report abuse
@146 José Malvinero

“A transplant population has no right of self-determination of peoples”

Considering that 98% of the population of Argentina is 'transplanted' and Argentina has not existed as a country as long as the Falkland Islanders have been there, it's a bit harsh that you are denying Argentina the right to self-determination.

Never mind, very soon, after 7D, your country is going to need a new president and you may have to invite your colonial masters (Spain) back in to run Buenos Aires.

Mind you Madrid has made such a mess of running Spain, that it won't be much improvement.
156 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 01:24 am Report abuse
154 Troy Tempest
Dear marionette, I do not represent nor I speak on behalf of any Argentinean, I just share the views of the large majority of those 40 million who strongly believe Malvinas is part of Argentina and South America, not Britain in far away Europe.
157 José Malvinero (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 03:22 am Report abuse
149 and 155
The big difference in the affirmation of you-pirates and thieves, is that people “transplanted” to our country with immigration, was legitimate and part of a native government policy at the time, following the law of the country (there is still the hotel of immigrants) encouraging immigration by low population density Argentina's then needed to be populated given its length. Argentina is not a country of immigrants, but a country that received immigrants, that is not the same.
None of that happened in the Malvinas Argentinas, because as you know, the Argentine government was appointed by the central government of Buenos Aires, and the population expelled transplanted Anglo-as you said the Uruguayan-after the robbery. So the current population is illegitimate.
Ha ha! “98% of Argentina's population is” trasnplantada “”!! Walk the streets of the Argentine cities and seeing if people say so!
158 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:11 am Report abuse
@159 Jose
Walk the streets of The Falkland Islands and see if people say they are “transplants”.

@156 MA
Thanks for being more specific.
Correct me if I'm wrong, weren't you the one, on the eve of N8, pronouncing that 50% of the people were “for” CFK ? How would you know that?
You seem to give sweeping convenient statistics with nothing to back them up.

Personally, I would be surprised if that were true, but then INDEC statisticians have been replaced with bureaucrats and you will be stifling the Free Press completely on Dec 7th, with your new legislation.

Already we see News reporters punched in the head on TV while giving reports of the demonstration of N-8.

March 2012, the BBC's World Have Your Say television program set up a live-video link with young people in FI and BA. They spoke with each other about some of the issues. The Argentines were surprised to see that the Islanders wanted to stay and had autonomy. The Brits were surprised Argentinians knew nothing about them and did not question CFK.

Meanwhile, it turns out that the Chileans have been very good friends and wish to keep FI British.
159 HansNiesund (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:36 am Report abuse
@157 José Malvinero

I'm just wondering one thing. Where exactly did the Spanish colonists who rebelled against Spain and founded Argentina come from?

Let me know if you need a hint with the answer.

Otherwise, it should in fact really be easy to resolve this whole question of transplanted populations and their rights.

Why don't you just you provide a reference to the relevant international legislation or doctrine that defines the notion of “transplanted population”, and denies them the right of self-determination? I'm sure the Foreign Minister of Uruguay would also be interested.
160 Idlehands (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:44 am Report abuse
153 Terence Hill

”The Chilean perspective A special Falklands TVN Chile report (castellano) on www.youtube.com/watch?v=Din9CqlYsNk&feature=colike. When you start the stream press the 'CC'button; then press the 'Translate Captions'; then select 'English'. “

I can't see a 'CC' button. The closest I can find is ”Interactive Transcript” but it's all in Spanish and I can't get it to translate. Any tips?
161 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:44 am Report abuse
It worked for me, perhaps try another Browser, like Chrome
162 The Chilean perspective (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:52 am Report abuse
@90 war monkey. Basically it's about the official Chilean position with Argentina and the reality of present and future commercial trade with the Falklands. Argentina is unreliable, they have broken contracts unilaterally and it deals with the possibility of closer relations with the Falklands. It shows our growing presence there and the positive opinions of the Chilean-Falklanders to closer ties while at the same time stating that no one wants to be Argentinian. It shows that we have much to gain by choosing the Falklands as a partner, there's even talk of a pipeline to Punta Arenas. Pity about the robo translation it is very poor. Overall a great report.
163 stick up your junta (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:37 am Report abuse
@132
Let the best tourist destination win….
:-)))))))
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/26/argentina-heading-for-its-first-negative-balance-in-tourism-in-ten-years
164 Idlehands (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:57 am Report abuse
I worked it out - it was completely different in Explorer. Sadly the translation is quite poor so you can only ever get the gist of what everyone is saying.
165 Clyde15 (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 11:24 am Report abuse
#146
I am sure the Australians would disagree with you on that one.
The country was originally established as a penal colony of the UK with shiploads of prisoners dumped there and told to get on with it.
By your reasoning, they should not have been granted self determination but remained under the British Crown.
166 jaydub (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
#146 - If transplanted populations don't have the right of self-determination, then the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand should still be British, Argentina should still be Spanish and Uruguay should be Brazilian or Portuguese. Fortunately the world doesn't work that way and the Falkland Islanders do have the right to determine their own future, free from interference from outside.
167 nigelpwsmith (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
@157
“The big difference in the affirmation of you-pirates and thieves, is that people “transplanted” to our country with immigration, was legitimate and part of a native government policy at the time, following the law of the country”

Well what a coincidence because the people that emigrated to the Falkland Islands did so with the approval of the Native Government - the British Government. Britain was the first country to establish sovereignty over the islands in 1690.

The only pirates and thieves though were Argentine.

David Jewett was convicted by a Portuguese court of being a pirate.

Luis Vernet was considered a pirate by the United States Government for the attacks on the whalers and he stole the produce on those ships.

Luis Vernet attempted to steal British Sovereign Territory. He knew that it didn't belong to Argentina, sought permission to be there from the British consul and even stated that it was British Sovereign Territory afterwards.

Like thieves caught with your hands in the till, Argentina has tried to claim land that does not belong to you. You tried it with Chile and failed. You tried it with your other South American neighbours and failed. You tried again in 1982 and failed.

Argentina is a failure.
168 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
@165 and 166.

USA gained it's independence by force of arms. The others negotiated theirs from positions of relative strength. Each case depended not on UK recognising their right to self determination but on each having the will to exercise self determination resulting in independence. Fortunately in the Falkland Islands the act of self determination that led to a Constitution institutionalising subservient status seems to be, for the time being at least, happily coincident with the UK's intention not to grant the population either integration or independence.
169 HansNiesund (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 01:27 pm Report abuse
@168
Even assuming that were true, so what?

The point of self-determination is not the precise form of the resulting constitutional arrangements, it's the fact that they're freely chosen.
170 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
I really don't know why you Falklanders and Brits argue the point with the RG's. To me it is like arguing the point that the sun does appear daily.
171 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
@168 The point of self determination is that it's only demonstrably exercised when someone opposes what self has determined. In this case, the classification of FI residents as a people is iffy by objective standards, UK won't allow integration and UK won't allow independence. They can have any colour so long as it's black.* Just as well they keep ordering black (well they would, wouldn't they, given their numbers, their reliance on UK for defence, judiciary and diplomacy services and the nuisance neighbours?)

* That's not a racist allusion but a nod to the wisdom of Henry Ford. They can have any arrangement so long as it's a synonym for British colony.
172 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
“Like thieves caught with your hands in the till, Argentina has tried to claim land that does not belong to you. You tried it with Chile and failed. You tried it with your other South American neighbours and failed. You tried again in 1982 and failed.”

That's why our neighbors are a fraction of Argentina's extension.

You are a failure for getting all worked up about a “failure”. hahahahaha.

You can't make these people up, keep hating anti.
173 nigelpwsmith (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
@170
There are differences of opinion between Falkland islanders & British.

There are differences of fact between the Falkland Islanders/British & Argentines.

I suppose, using your analogy, you might say that the Argentines believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth.

They are factually incorrect about a lot of things.
They distort the truth to suit their claim, even when they know its absurd.
They try to suggest the Falklands is a colony, but so was Argentina.
They try to deny the Islanders the right to determine their own destiny, yet claim the same right for themselves
They try to run to the UN to ask them to force the British to leave the Islands, but the UN charter states that people have the right to Self-Determination.
They try to claim that the British evicted the Argentines in 1833, but the truth is that there were more Argentines on the Islands after the British left than any other nationality.
They try to suggest that the Islands belonged to Spain and that they inherited them, but they forget that the Islands were British long before the Spanish arrived.
They try to forget that Argentina signed a treaty in 1850 stating that there was perfect peace & friendship & no disputes with Britain.
They try to forget that the UN ordered Argentina to leave the Islands in 1982, yet they remained on them in defiance of the UN until they were ejected.
They try to allege that the British are pirates and usurpers, but the facts state that it was Argentina that were pirates (as determined by other nations) and that they tried to steal British Territory.
They try to claim territory (South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and South Orkneys), yet these islands have no historical or sovereign connection with Argentina.

Let's face it, the Argentines are genocidal thieves who try to steal land that doesn't belong to them.
174 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
@171 Domeoverintheclover

“ UK won't allow integration and UK won't allow independence. ”

Dover, you lying git, where do you get that nonsense?

Total fiction on your part. The Internationally observed Referendum will be the true test.
175 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
When you are the Secretary General of the UN, diplomatic skills are required in the highest order. However, I cannot help but think the Ban ki Moon wants to turn around and say......“Get the Fuck away from me and give it up”
176 Idlehands (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
It would be interesting to see the response if somebody proposed that the Falklands become another county of the UK.

I'd guess UK residents would be indifferent to the idea and Falklanders probably prefer their current status ahead of full integration.
177 Benson (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
“UK won't allow integration and UK won't allow independence.”
That may be your opinion of how the government would act if we opted for independence (and who knows you may be right) but it certainly isn't their official position. They've stated that if the Falklands opts for independence they will support us.
178 Think (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
(171) Cmdr. McDod

1) Actually, there is no proof that Henry Ford ever uttered these words…….

2) Actually, the first Model T’s (1908 (Price tag: $950) – 1912 (Price tag: $575)) were available in ”Brewster Green”, ”Carmine Red”, ”Midnight Blue” and Gray……... Black was not an option.

3) Actually, Mr. Ford switched to black in 1913 - 1925 due to optimization of the assembly line and the fact that “Japan Black” paint was the fastest drying. This reduced production time and vastly increased output.

4) Actually, in 1926 (Price tag: $280!) colors other than black were, once again, offered……..

PS............:
Any luck finding the final, definitive, officially & democratically approved referendum question?
179 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
@174 How sad that your lack of intellectual firepower forces you to resort to name calling. You are truly a sad individual. Why not DYOR?

Suffice it to say that both Parliament and the FCO have published policy papers in 1999, 2008, 2012 and others, that expressly rule out the integration into UK of all OTs and expressly reserve the right to declare an OT ready for independence (note self determination doesn't enter into it).

Still, if you are right and the Referendum Question leads to a debate on options other than the status we could be in for some interesting times. Hours of Mercopress fun, I say.
180 Conqueror (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
@53 Yep. A bunch of colonialist imperialists will be forced to hand their lands back. They can then choose to live under the rule of the indigenous people or try to find some uninhabited islands, owned by no-one, on which to live. Or perhaps they could buy somewhere. At the rate of a billion pounds sterling per square foot!
@109 Whoops! Can we now go ahead and quote all your “wishes”. If you keep a record of everybody's comments, you are truly sad. Do you not have something else to occupy your day? Have you tried scratching the balls you may not have?
@110 STFU or else!
@114 Where? Never heard of the place. Is it like the Isle of Dogs?
@121 I have a present for you. Could you post your address so that I can send it. THINK of it as a pancake. I think of it as a landmine, but it's just perception.
@132 In the near future you could have a “real” tourist attraction. Glass!
@135 Yep. The collapse of a country into anarchy and criminality is usually sad. But argieland did that years ago. This is just the death throes. THINK of CFK as the rattle in your throat.
@141 Try this one. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pngnsh60.jpg
@143 You were there? You have access to the “police”?
@145 Tough.
@146 Oh shut up. Argies are congenital liars. Can't even be believed when screaming “We surrender.” So let's shoot 'em all.
@151 And we, the people of the United Kingdom, about 62 million say, “Get stuffed”.
@156 Then you, and that “large majority” will have to be taught differently. And you know who can do it, don't you? Done it before. We can do it again!
@157 Do you really believe that crap? Think back to 1810. Where did they all come from? You are SOOO stupid. Not just for what you believe but for the crap you come out with.
@168 The “force of arms” of the French and Spanish!
@171 The argturds oppose FI self-determination. QED.
@172 Thanks.
@178 Nothing to do with you!
@179 What's it to you? You're a “dove”, right? Is that short for “coward” or “traitor”?
181 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
@178

When I first saw this.....

en.mercopress.com/2012/11/26/falklands-march-10-11-referendum-a-democratic-exercise-of-self-determination

I thought the answer had finally come but no, we have to wait a while longer it seems. So I amused myself by imagining the charismatic Monty addressing a rapt crowd in the Town Hall and swaying even the most staunch pro-status parvenu towards a “Yes to Independence” question. Then I sobered up.
182 Per Ardua (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
#179 How sad that your lack of being British makes you think that you can get away with impersonating a retired RN officer. I'll give you credit for having considerably more intelligence than the average Argie troll and for being able to Google a half-arsed cover story and for occasionally pretending to disagree with your alter-ego 'Think', but your cover has slipped, my old fake Squid.

But never mind, drown your sorrows at having been rumbled in your local RBL Branch. There is one in Buenos Aires, after all.
183 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
@182 Hey Crab, as long as Xafinity go on paying me each month, I don't mind which club I slake my thirst in.
184 ChrisR (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
@2 Conor J
“I wonder what happened too Jorge Argüello?”

He has just popped up in the BsAs Herald giving the usual bollocks.

Cannot tell who he is raving at and BsAs is not giving anything away.

Given the poor quality of the drapes behind him I suspect it is in the Argie Embassy as he cannot get any invites from the US government.
185 agent999 (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
@182
did you ever believe that Doveoverdover was British ?
186 Per Ardua (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
@185 Not for a second, though he has been very good at Googling a semi-plausible cover-story and full marks to him for that. But his mention of the 'Dover RBL Bar' was too nice a 'Gotcha' moment to let pass.

Come on Dover, if you're genuine, tell us where the Dover RBL Club is!
187 Think (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
(181) CmdrMcDod

The FIG(leaf) and its loooong tradition of secretiveness.........

I can picture Monty96 baking some 1500 Chinese Fortune Cookies wit the “Secret Question” inside..... Just to keep us Argies uninformed ;-)
188 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
@186 You must be ex Int Branch. 7630 Flight perhaps. Can guess what's coming next?
189 Per Ardua (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
Think, talking to imaginary friends such as DoD isn't a good indicator of sanity.
190 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
....I cannot answer that question, Sir.
191 Per Ardua (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
Well Googled, Sir. I'll be VERY impressed if you can name the regular RAF units that don't advertise on the web for recruits, unlike the RAuxAF unit you Googled.

So you can't possibly name the location of the Dover RBL Club? Hang on, I'll ask the RBL...

www.britishlegion.org.uk/counties/kent/contact-us/clubs

That's strange. There isn't an RBL Club in Dover! Surely some mistake, as DoD couldn't possibly be yet another bluffing Argie cunt and a liar, could he? Perhaps he means that the Dover RBL Branch meets in a pub, like so many other branches...

www.britishlegion.org.uk/counties/kent/contact-us/branches

Nope. It seems that he is indeed a bluffing Argie cunt and liar. I'm so disappointed in you (but strangely not surprised).
192 Think (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
(190) Cmdr McDod

Our cover has been blown!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xnB57UYBkQ

We could maybe gain some credibility again if you could describe to that “Inglorious Per Ardua Dastard” the interior decour of that bloody Dover RBL Bar ;-)
193 Per Ardua (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
Shit deflection on behalf of your other account. Fail. Try again with another alter-ego.
194 Think (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
(193) Per Ardua

You are a real Turnip......
I wish my English was half as good as CmdrMcDod.....
Anybody that has read more than a book can spot the difference...
195 Per Ardua (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
A tasty root vegetable. Is that meant to be some sort of insult? Pathetic fake RN troll.
196 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
@191 I'm so old I can remember when the French were in Mountbatten but can I remember the orbat of the RAF? Not a chance. Anyway aren't they all Purple Helmets these days?

As for the RBL; do you know about Downs Syndrome (that's a sort of crossword clue).

@194 Oh rapture! Chris publicly spots my sucker punch and Crab mistakes me for you. Time to retire for the night. Quit while I'm ahead.
197 Think (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
(196)
I'm loving it.....
Even when I don't understand anything of it :-)
Sleep tight...
198 Per Ardua (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
@196 You brought up the RAF orbat, mentioning a minor RAuxAF unit that you found after a quick Google for RAF Int units.

Ah right, so you're now a member of the first Kent RBL branch that appears in a Google search and not in Dover at all. Fail. Try again at your cover story.

Sorry old chap, but that still makes you a bluffing fake RN Argie cunt.
199 HansNiesund (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
@198
Bravo
200 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:18 am Report abuse
@197 Oh dear, slept well but I've woken up to some very bad news and it has nothing to do with plane spotters. I take no pleasure in FOGL's misfortune - in fact I'm sure I'll take a loss when the market opens. Meanwhile, I sense your well of smug self satisfaction even across cyberspace and I'll bet this one isn't a duster.
201 LEPRecon (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:22 pm Report abuse
@200 - DoD (aka Faker)

Your 'sympathy' for the Falklands is as fake as your claim to be British.

However, the main point of this article, is Argentina refusing to accept that it can't have what it wants.

Never mind, Argentines need to learn how to live with disappoinment, and you may as well start now.

- ARA Libertad - still impounded
- Falklands referendum - will blow your erroneous 'sovereignty' claims out of the water
- Argentina being taken to court over non payment of debt
- Argentina being censured by the IMF for LYING about your economic data

I could go on, but you Argentines seem to like setting yourselves up for a fall, then complaining about it when you find that falling hurts.
202 Terence Hill (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
157 José Malvinero 'in the affirmation of you-pirates and thieves'.
Are! it will remain merely the chant of the indoctrinated zombie, because there is absolutely nothing in your allegation you can prove.
203 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
@199 & 200 So which one of you is the arse end of the pantomime horse?
204 Simon68 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:10 pm Report abuse
203 Per Ardua (#)
Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:50 pm

From an intelligence point of view, if they were seperate identities, Think would be the arse end because occasionally DoD has made some quite sensible suggestions!!!!
205 Think (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
(200) Cmdr. McDod

My genetically induced Gnesio-Lutheranism prevents me to take pleasure in FOGL's misfortune......
But my dormant Norse Paganism, on the other hand........ ;-)
206 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
.....leads you to want to sacrifice the front end of the pantomime horse no doubt. All I ask is you take a bit more care with horned helmet next time we perform.
207 Think (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Cmdr. McDod......

You being retired military, from Dover and with some (hastily dwindling) interests in South-America….

Have you ever been to Boulogne Sur Mer; Grande Rue 105?
Singular Place……….
208 ChrisR (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
@207 I don't Think, aka Blind_Scottie_Kichnerists Deputy

Mmmm.

Looks like a fun day out. Was that when AG had generals who actually did things for their country?

Unlike now of course.

Did you know him personally, being as old as you are?

Ha, ha, ha.
209 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
@207 Speaking generally, I made it a point never to stop in Boulogne when it was possible to fly to the continent from Dover or sail there from Folkestone.

Oh hell, have I opened myself up to more accusations of being a lying git because Dover doesn't have an airport? Cue the plane spotter.
210 redpoll (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
Oh dear Think. Sometimes I respectyour opinions and dont THINK you are either end of a pantomime donkey
But I SAY: Sometimes you are no end of an ass
211 Think (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
(209) Cmdr McDod

If memory serves me right, there were daily flights from Dover to Boulogne from the 60's through the 80's.......

Ahhh....... those low flying crafts....
212 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
@211 Damn you, I was trying to hover up for another sucker punch. I so much enjoyed the last one.
213 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
Deflection, deflection, deflection and more fake than a Turkish Rolex.
214 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
213
The last 35 or so posts are just a Troll pantomime.

We need not participate at all. Wouldn't miss anything but one Troll talking to himself.

I wonder if he still gets paid for that?

Does he get paid double??
215 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 02:11 am Report abuse
Two points strike me from these comments, bot admittedly tangential:

#32 Chris, your dismissal of epistemology in favour of science surely shows your own, materialist, epistemological point of view; you can't just not have one, at least if you're thinking about the topic. And its one not all scientists share...

#51 Slatzz, you admit most countries have a grudge against ours. Why do you think that is?
216 ChrisR (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:47 am Report abuse
@215 BSK

And not all scientists agree there is probably no god, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Philosophers are just like economists: ask six of them a question and you get upwards of 12 answers.

Can’t be doing with all the navel gazing, they are as big a drag on society moving forward as the religions.

This woman has worked ceaselessly for herself and that is most definately to be applauded, but that is it.
217 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
Chris you are exactly right, it's a very small club.....philosophers, economists and weathermen
218 Anbar (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
“”“”“”“”“So you can't possibly name the location of the Dover RBL Club? Hang on, I'll ask the RBL...

www.britishlegion.org.uk/counties/kent/contact-us/clubs

That's strange. There isn't an RBL Club in Dover! Surely some mistake, as DoD couldn't possibly be yet another bluffing Argie &^% and a liar, could he? ”“”“”“”“”“”“”“

wow, badly sussed DoD there.

nice catch, proves the point that some of these ”pro-argentine“ accounts really are nothing but multiple-logins.

always amusing when somebody thinks they are cleverer than everybody else, then screw-up by making an elementary mistake...

”Whats the name of the pub outside the gates at Hereford...?”

VERY old trick that also.....

Unlucky Mr DoverOver... your time is truly over.
219 Raul (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
Excellent speech by Maria Cristina Perceval:

“The whole region in the framework of UNASUR and CELAC is monitoring the work of good offices entrusted to the Secretary-General by the UN General Assembly to contribute to the resumption of negotiations with the United Kingdom to reach a solution to the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas / Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas, ”said the Argentine diplomat.
Finally stressed complete readiness of Argentina to assist the Secretary General in his current mission “with the hope that the UK meets its obligation to establish a dialogue to resolve the dispute chronic colonial”.

It is increasingly evident that the world public opinion and sympathy welcomes the cause Argentina over the Falkland Islands.
It is a fact increasingly evident failure of the UK to follow international law with its colonialist and imperialist policies in the 21st century.

An example is. Decolonization Committee of UN considers Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 are for the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, the Malvinas - Falkland Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Monserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island.
Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony.
Besides the UN resolutions are referred to a colony.
See Resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. It is a territory to colonize.

Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony. Example Wikipedia.

es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comit% C3% C3% B3n A9_de_Descolonizaci%
220 Anbar (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
“”“”It is increasingly evident that the world public opinion and sympathy welcomes the cause Argentina over the Falkland Islands.“”“”

except for all those who dont... who, outside of Argentine fantasies, number rather a lot.

.... including one chap called Ban ki-moon.

I would post a link to him, but with your superior google-fu I imagine you can look him up yourself.

The “decolonisation committee” fwiw, other than being powerless AND partisan, is something else that Ban ki-moon doesnt really see as working properly anymore.... funny that eh? ;-)
221 Per Ardua (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 05:20 pm Report abuse
Ah yes, the 'impartial' C24 with its Ecuadorean chairman and Syrian rapporteur-general.

And yes, those non-binding UNGA Resolutions that were accepted at face value by those at the UN who had not done their own independent research and accepted the Argentine presentation of lies, mistruths and downright fibs as the truth... Which were in any case, invalidated by Argentina's own breaking of those resolutions by invading in 1982.

So what makes this speech 'excellent'? Is it 'excellent' because it excellently conforms to the usual pack of lies?
222 HansNiesund (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
@219 Raul

And so what anyway? The important point isn't whether a territory is considered a colony or not, it's that the population concerned freely chooses its own status.

Ask Ban-ki Moon, he'll tell ya.
223 Anbar (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
“”“Ask Ban-ki Moon, he'll tell ya.”“””
224 so_far (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
# 222 & 223

ARGENTINA position is:

“There has to be a negotiation dialogue between AR-UK to find a definitive and peacefully solution to the question of sovereignty of the Malvinas Islands” peace.

UK Position is:

There is nothing to talk, the Falklands are British (argggh)

You both say: “ Ask Ban-ki Moon, he'll tell ya.”

I wonder.....What Ban Ki-Moon actually say few days ago ?

1) “I have been urging both nations to resolve the issue peacefully through dialogue and I made clear that I am ready to offer my good offices to both sides so they can come together”.

2) “Ban Ki-Moon said he expected they are resolved ‘ideally’ through dialogue, particularly when we are talking about the Malvinas or the Falklands..”

Now.....what position do you think Mr Ban Ki-Moon support ?

AR or UK ?

en.mercopress.com/2012/11/12/ban-ki-moon-and-colonialism-people-should-be-able-to-decide-their-own-future
225 Anbar (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
“”“Now.....what position do you think Mr Ban Ki-Moon support ?

AR or UK ?”“”

he said the islanders have the right to self-determination.

Argentina & the UK sitting down for talks has become redundant...

and so has the C24...

Pretty simple really.

I know it is difficult for some pro-Argentine supporters to get that fundamental shift of emphasis and power into their system, but, essentially the entire issue of UK/ARG sovereignty has been trumped by the Islanders self-determination.

And that is exactly what he said and in the title/link of your own link.

Its also why he intimated that the c24 was outmoded, out of touch and needed reform.... the world has passed them by, just ahs any UK:ARG talks have been passed-by because of the UNs recognition that the islanders have their own rights: independently.

Everybody has to adjust to this new reality and forget the whole “Sit down with the UK” argument: it is no longer relevant.
226 Per Ardua (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
Liar.

There was negotiation. Then you invaded. Negotiations over. Tough tits. Your fault. Too late to cry about it now. There is already peace, provided you don't start a war (which you won't while we maintain a garrison, because you know we'd and it considerably more quickly than the last one you started).

There is no sovereignty dispute except in the minds of deluded, indoctrinated-from-birth Argentines. You have no historical case, no moral case, no legal case, no geographical case and as will be seen in uncertain terms next year, no democratic case either.

Ban-ki-Moon promoting dialogue is like humans promoting breathing, eating and drinking. What else do you expect him to say?

Dialogue has been offered, but you refuse, because you regard the Falklanders as untermenschen to be ground underfoot, colonised and ethnically cleansed.
227 HansNiesund (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
@224

You are misquoting the esteemed Mr. Moon. What he actually said was :

“He estado preocupado por el intercambio de declaraciones fuertes entre Argentina y el Reino Unido sobre el tema de Malvinas o las Islas Falkland.”

There is no mention of sovereignity there. He said “el tema”.

He also said :

“No creo que los miembros permanentes del Consejo de Seguridad estén violando resoluciones relevantes de las Naciones Unidas.”

and

“La impresión es que la gente que vive bajo esas condiciones debería poder obtener cierto nivel de capacidades para que puedan decidir sobre su propio futuro.”

Or in short, the UK is not in breach of any UN resolution and he supports the principle of self-determination.

You have also misunderstood or misrepresented the UK position. The UK doesn't say the islands are British. The UK only says it won't negotiate sovereignity without the consent of the islanders. Compare this to Argentina, which has written into its constitution that sovereignity isn't negotiable at all.

Finally, I believe the FIG is still waiting for a reply for the offer to discuss various matters of interest with Argentina. It seems, however, that Argentina wishes to determine unilaterally the content, participants and outcome of any negotiation.

Out here in the real world, that's not called “negotiation” at all. And the UN has never given it support to any “negotiation” of this nature at all.

I hope that clears it up for you.
228 so_far (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
# 225, 226 & 227 (larry, moe and curly)

Mr Ban Ki-Moon never said that Self-determination could apply in Malvinas case......the closer statment from him (and talking in general about the 16 non-selfgov territories) was :

“The ”impression“ is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities so that they can decide on their own future...”

When was asked DIRECTLY about Malvinas particular case he NEVER said that right could apply .....rather he support Dialogue and negotiation ...his words:

“Ban Ki-Moon said he expected they are resolved ‘ideally’ through dialogue, particularly when we are talking about the Malvinas or the Falklands..”

Futhermore....few time ago the chairman of UN c-24 explict say that Self-determination DONT APPLY in Malvinas case, his words:

“The chair of the UN Decolonisation Committee .....described the UK announcement of a referendum in the Malvinas Islands as a “political ploy”, insisting that the Falkland Islanders can not appeal to the right of self determination they claim, because in the Malvinas case “there is a principle of territorial integrity” from Argentina .

en.mercopress.com/2012/06/16/c24-chair-calls-falklands-referendum-political-ploy-praises-argentine-president

Read again and again and again....... don´t fool yourselves. Repeating what you wish,,,, unfortunately is not the reality of what the civilized world interprets and only make yourselves looks with a primitive reasoning

en.mercopress.com/2012/11/12/ban-ki-moon-and-colonialism-people-should-be-able-to-decide-their-own-future
229 HansNiesund (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
@228

I've noticed you Malvinista guys have the same problem with treaties and any other texts. You always conclude that they do say what they don't say, and don't do say what they don't say. I used to find this confusing until I found a copy of the Malvinista Dictionary. It's still hard to get your head round, but it does help. Here are some extracts :

Dialogue = you do what I yell you.
Arrogance = you don't do what I tell you
Lies = you dispute what I tell you
Usurpation = you recover
Recovery = I usurp
Decolonization = colonization
Vulture = creditor
Pirate = policeman

... And so on
230 so_far (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
# 229 lets probe your veracity...

I can backup my posts with words of high officer of United Nations (Chairman of C-24 des-colinization comitte) that say EXPLICITLY:

“... Falkland Islanders can not appeal to the right of self determination.....”

en.mercopress.com/2012/06/16/c24-chair-calls-falklands-referendum-political-ploy-praises-argentine-president

Can you provide eto verybody here an EXPLICIT statment from Ban Ki-Moon, his secretary.....C-24 guy....any level....or even a delivery boy from UN that say in EXPLICIT way:

“Falkland islanders CAN use the right of Self-determination”

i repeat.....MUST BE EXPLICIT.....not good enough your interpretation of UN Charter....gettingright joke paper....my uncle told me etc.....i ask you for and EXPLICIT statment....

can you ?

can anybody out there ??

or STFU for ever.

i´ll wait sitting....

:-)
231 HansNiesund (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
@230

What don't you understand about “decide on their own future”?
232 so_far (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
# 230...you´re closer and closer of STFU.....c´mon...show me, i´ll wait you....or anybody

:-)
233 HansNiesund (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
@232

Lol, you really believe that because your stooge on the C24 says something that is a violation of the fundamental tenets, that makes it true? Show me the legal basis for that statement in any UN agreed UN document or international legislation, and I might be prepared to waste some more of my time teaching you elementary reading comprehension.
234 so_far (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
so.....you can´t prove in EXPLCIT way then ?

tell you what.....come and bring your friends and try again....

read again #230....key word EXPLICIT statment like i provide you lot.

or....

STFU....you´re realy closer kiddo.
235 HansNiesund (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
Sorry, but if Bak-KI Moon declaring that “deciding your own future” is “the principal criterion of the principal organs of the UN” isn't EXPLICIT enough for you, you're beyond rational help.

“La impresión es que la gente que vive bajo esas condiciones debería poder obtener cierto nivel de capacidades para que puedan decidir sobre su propio futuro. Y este es el principal criterio de los órganos principales de las Naciones Unidas. Lograr la independencia o que tengan cierto gobierno de sus territorios. No creo que sea un tema de abuso o violación de resoluciones relevantes de la ONU.”
236 so_far (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 12:27 am Report abuse
Im afraid that your case is not enough Hans...let me show you why buddy:

Stament from Ban Kin-Moon:

“The ”impression“ is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities so that they can decide on their own future...”

Weakness:

1) No explictly Falklands case are mentioned
2) No explictly people from the islands are mentioned (kelper, falklanders, etc.)
3) No a word of self-determination right mentioned.
4) No one word that Falkland people hitpotetically could use that right, that by the way, no once is mentioned.
5) “impression” word IT IS used.....you know what impression means right ? impression !!

and now lets compare whith other staments from Ban Ki-Moon:

“....he expected they are resolved ‘ideally’ through dialogue, particularly when we are talking about the Malvinas or the Falklands”
“I have been urging both nations to resolve the issue peacefully through dialogue..”

Strengths:

1) Dialogue word IT IS mentioned (supporting what Argentina is asking)
2) Dialogue IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE of Falklands is mentioned (supporting what Argentina is asking)
3) both nations word IT IS mentioned....no third party....no kelper..no Falklands Corporation, no nothing...just AR & UK (supporting what Argentina is asking)
4) Solve the issue through dialogue is mentioned....no through a referendum or self-determination...no nothing...just dialogue.(supporting what Argentina is asking).

.....and additionally we have the words of the Chairman of C-24 that say EXPLICITLY:

“... Falkland Islanders can not appeal to the right of self determination.....”

Give up Hans, be wise and see the differences...Argentina is backed EXPLICITLY in his position...UK is not.

by the way, disqualifying the person who holds the honorable position of chairman of C-24 at UN is not very clever move.

TIP: Basics Maths and Logic could help for support your position.

please read:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency
237 Per Ardua (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 05:14 am Report abuse
So you agree then that the C24 Chair is an Argentine stooge (among a sorry bunch of stooges that make up that rotten and corrupt committee), making decisions that are not his to make, re-writing the UN Charter to suit his own personal bias and agenda and going well beyond his terms of reference? Thanks for confirming our suspicions.

Since when did the C24's remit include the transfer of territory TO a colonising power?

In the meantime, the Falkland Islands remain British and there is absolutely cock-all you can do except thcweam and thcweam until you're thick.
238 HansNiesund (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 08:31 am Report abuse
@236

What's the big deal about dialogue? The UN recommending dialogue is like the Mothers Union recommending motherhood. What else would they recommend? An invasion, maybe? Or an economic blockade, or interference with shipping, or the looting of fish stocks? I think not.

But you seem to have got the impression from somewhere that 'dialogue' actually means 'transfer of sovereignity to Argentina'. Say what? Only in the Malvinista Dictionary, perhaps. In the real word, on the other hand, the UN has said nothing more than 'dialogue', with no prescription or restriction as regards the content, participation, or outcome.

And so what happens? The FIG with the support of the UK offers precisely 'dialogue' and you don't respond to the invitation. And what does Ban-ki Moon have to say about this?

“No creo que los miembros permanentes del Consejo de Seguridad estén violando resoluciones relevantes de las Naciones Unidas.”

Hardly an Argentine victory.

And as for the C24, here you have a committee composed largely of hostile anglophobes and chaired by a self-professed Argentine stooge, and what's the best recommendation you can get out of them? 'Dialogue'. See above. What a diplomatic triumph that is.

And now you want us to accept that this mighty 'dialogue' victory outweighs Ban-ki Moon's clear statement of the principle of self-determination and the founding principles of the UN, and his exoneration of the UK as regards the alleged breach of UN resolutions.

There's just the small matter that he omitted to mention all the usual nonsense regarding “implanted populations” having no rights, “territorial integrity” and the rest of the Malvinista historical fiction, but never mind, Tempo Argentina managed to wheel in the Ecuadorean stooge pretty damn quick before the whole country melted down in cognitive dissonance.

Here's to more Argentine triumphs such as these.
239 Fedaykin (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 11:03 am Report abuse
The whole concept of the C-24 committee is outmoded and out of date. The C-24 is loaded with people who have a grudge against the UK regardless of the matters discussed.

The fact is after the second world war the UK divested itself of it's empire peacefully and in most cases to local rule! The whole point of the C-24 committee is to stop colonialism and promote local rule not transfer a territory from colonial power to another!

What is left are the small number of territories that didn't want to move to local rule or independence. Those places have self determined that they prefer something different to full independence. Why should that be wrong? Why does the UN have a committee that promotes an idea that the inhabitants of some places don't want?! It should be further noted that the UK has carefully pushed its territories over the years to consider more autonomy, self rule and eventual independence including the Falklands. The irony is if Argentina hadn't invaded in 1982 there was a good chance that the Falklands would of agreed to some form of joint rule by the end of the 1980's or full independence!

That the C-24 with its Argentine stooge at its head only talk about the Argentine interpretation of the events of 1833 and before is hardly conductive to reasoned dialogue. The UK and the Islanders do not agree with the story made up by the Peronists in the 1940's, the first step to dialogue would be for Argentina would be stop using a story that the UK and the Islanders find insultingly wrong!

If the UK started negotiations with Argentina behind the Islanders back then the Falkland Islands would immediately declare independence anyway. If Argentina wants to make progress then they need to recognise the Islanders have a voice and treat them with respect. Blockading them, insulting them with lies about their history and generally acting unneighbourly is hardly going to change the situation.
240 so_far (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 11:26 am Report abuse
# 238 & 239

i understand your point and my only advice for UK position is you guys need to change UN structure bodies, his members, and teach them how to interpreter the UN Charter. You could try with the ICJ.......also from UN.

Clearly UN need to change everything for support your position because until noe they in differents ways explicitly support dialogue between AR-UK for find a solution, he never ever talk about 3 party nor kelper nor penguins.....sided with Argentina and thats a fact.

Convlusion: No one single word from UN thats self-determination rights apply to kelpers.

When you change complete UN we could talk again.....until now score for Argentina and thats a fact.

I rest my case.
241 Fedaykin (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 12:03 pm Report abuse
Actually the Islanders are happy to go to the ICJ so what is the problem with that?

The only choice on the table is to engage with the Falkland Islanders or military action, calling them Kelpers or Penguins is hardly going to enhance dialogue and the Argentine armed forces are in no place for an invasion.

It doesn't matter that Argentina doesn't think the Islanders have self determination rights as it has no way to force another solution.

The C-24 only angers the Islanders and the UK more as it takes a position which is insulting. The Islanders have said they are happy to talk about common interest points of trade, transport and resources. Ignoring them and demanding direct talks with the UK that would only hasten Falklands full independence and stop any chance of Argentine rule is hardly constructive.

If Argentina acted as a normal neighbour that wasn't trying to damage the economy of the Islanders and rather helped engage the Islands with South American trade then maybe down the line they would be more open to an accommodation. Current Argentine policy only pushes that idea further away!

This is what you are not understanding so_far, the Islanders hold all the cards. No British government is going to dare go behind their back and negotiate away their home to Argentina as it would be political suicide! Argentina is in no place to force the matter militarily, at worse for the Islands it is a bit of a nuisance but they are a proud remote community and Argentine belligerency to them only hardens their views.

The C-24 committee only insults and angers the people who can actually decide to talk to Argentina, pushing the issue is hardly helping your cause is it.
242 Simon68 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
240 so_far (#)
Nov 29th, 2012 - 11:26 am

“You could try with the ICJ.......also from UN.”

WTF should the Falkland Islanders or the UK go to the ICJ???? They have absolutely no doubt about their sovereignty over the Islans!!!!!!

Our government is the only entity with a problem about the sovereignty question, which was invented during the 1930's and eventually taken up by Perón in the late 1940's. For proof of this just look at our Promary School history books from the 1920's and then compare them with those that replaced them during Perón's first presidency.
243 lsolde (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
@219 Raul,
Thank you for calling the lslands by their correct name- the Falkland lslands.
The rest of your post was mainly nonsense.
244 Anbar (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”I can backup my posts with words of high officer of United Nations (Chairman of C-24 des-colinization comitte) that say EXPLICITLY:

“... Falkland Islanders can not appeal to the right of self determination....“”“”“”“”“”“”

The c24 committee has no power to do that...it shouldnt even be saying things like that, which is why Ban ki-moon called it into question and the process of reforming it, or abolishing it, has already started.

Pretty mucn everybody knows and understands that the C24 is a left-over of old processes and is essentially, illegitimate... except the few who still try to use it to score political points with their regional political buddies.

If you are relying upon this powerless committee as the entire foundation of your cause then your are in seriously desperate state.

“”“I rest my case.”“”

In which case you lose Im afraid.

THe only people who can fully dictate the future of the Falklands Islands are the Falklands Islanders - as backed up by the very institution, in its fundamental construction, and recently supported by Ban ki-moon.

No amount of false-reading, no irrelevant party-political speeches from defunct and powerless committees will change that - you case is wishful thinking and would require a complete change of the UNs founding charters, and the removal of its current top-dog.

which aint going to happen.
245 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
@242 You appear, as only a cowardly traitor like you can, to have unearthed a different conflict about sovereignty over the islands than the one people usually get heated about

If the Islanders have no doubt about their Sovereignty as you say and;
the UK Government has no doubt about it's Sovereignty (it's diplomats regularly say this);
then either one or other of them, or both perhaps, should be having doubts because they both can't be right.
246 Anbar (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
FTI: Doveroverdover has been caught out in another thread as a sock-puppet; he has made claims that have been shown to being patently false and untrue, his claims to attending RBL functions and associated claims to his nationality and so forth: made-up entirely - as such take any posting made by him as that of a sock-puppet and the creation of another poster.
247 Per Ardua (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
DoD, well you should know all about cowardly traitors... Well you would if you were British, but you're not, so I suppose that makes you a patriot.
248 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

Note the absence of any worthwhile intellectual content in the posting of these two humorless oiks @246 and @247 or anywhere else on Mercopress for that matter. If fantasy and boring were Olympic sports they'd both be world beaters.

Chuckle Chuckle
249 Raul (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
So_far 224 228 230 232 234 236 240

So_far: You're right and speaks the truth. The British forumers make vague and inaccurate conclusions. Unfortunately, your little information and not wanting to even read the UN resolutions. They lack much understanding of the facts based upon the historical and social processes. They do not want to because bare their lack of argument and resort to colonialism, racism and imperialism of the 21st century. The facts demonstrate humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan.

241 Fedaykin
This is what is not understood so_far, islanders hold all the cards.
The entindiendo these are not your Fedaykin. Remember that the UK is a country in severe crisis and declining as the U.S. and Europe. The world and the world public opinion and are not deceived by colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century English. UK fails to comply with international law by failing to comply with UN resolutions and the growing influence of the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations for his honesty and fairness and their struggle to eradicate colonialism in all its forms.
243 lsolde
IGracias by calling the islands by name-Malvinas correct.
The rest of your post was mostly nonsense.
I'm surprised your naivete and innocence. Speaks volumes of your sad personality. Falklands or Malvinas, as you like. Always remember the words of Mahatma Gandhi who fought against the typical characteristics of the British. Imperialism, racism and colonialism English
”No one can do good in an area of ​​your life, while hurting another. Life is one indivisible whole. ”
250 HansNiesund (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
@248

Some of us have had a whip round and put a bottle of Malbec for you behind the bar at the Royal British Legion in Dover. Might I suggest you give a little taste to Bernard or any other experts on referendum policy in Tierra del Fuego who may also be present?
251 Think (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 05:29 pm Report abuse
Cmdr. McDod….:

I can clearly see that you are ”doing your best to get back on message and put behind you all those malicious libels” as you said in another thread…….

Keep them British Turnips guessing and don’t get so mad at the Argentinean ones….
(Argie or Brit….. Apple pie tastes sweet ;-)

Speaking about Argentina…… A damn good week for my Country…
Good news from Puerto Estanley…
Good news from New York…
Good news from Hamburg...
Good news from Brasilia…
Good news from Lima…
And my BOR shares have gone up a penny today!…….. Hip Hip Hurray…
252 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
@251 Be told. I was. No Brit would ever uses the term Motherhood and Apple Pie. Then again........

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9676639/New-Archbishop-of-Canterbury-takes-RBS-chief-Stephen-Hester-to-task.html

perhaps that isn't evidence of my perfidy after all.
253 shb (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
@249 Raul

QUOTE ”No one can do good in an area of ​​your life, while hurting another. Life is one indivisible whole. ”

In that case stop trying to impose foreign rule and occupation on the Falklanders.

If you despise colonialism so much then stop trying to force it onto other people - unless of course you'd rather move into the “ethnic cleansing” game and kick the Falklanders out, like you planned in 1982.

Last time I looked your country was in decline too - still have most of your navy in pieces or impounded do you?

How is inflation at the moment?

Were'nt you one of the top 10 richest nations in the early 20th century as well - oh dear you do seem to have made a mess of things don't you.
254 Think (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
(252) Cmdr. McDod….:

Thanks for the link…..
Justin Welby…… An Alpha man of my liking!
255 agent999 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
@252
Chuckle Chuckle - enough said
256 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
@254 Old chap.
Alpha as in Male or Alpha as in Course (“an opportunity to explore the meaning of life”)? Both are popular among the officer class of the British Armed Forces, don't yah know.
257 agent999 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
@256
good night sussie
258 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
@257
Lost me there, matey.
259 Think (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

Off -Topic ???

”People's Self-Determination ” is “Paramount” for the British Government…..!

Why are they so abstaining on the Palestine vote tomorrow at the UN….?

Brainwash anybody....?
260 so_far (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
#258 Mr Doveoverdover,

Not only 100% British citizenship you are... ... but also you know in details particular aspects of Malvinas lifestyle as well the idiosyncrasies of certain individuals living on those islands (among them greedy and ungrateful ).

Surely having shared time with them gave a huge vision of the topic which makes in my view your contribution very valuable, honest and unbiased.

I apologize if I misinterpreted your intentions at some point.

Regards
261 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@258

“Lost me there, matey.”

Good night Lord Haw haw
262 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
@259

Hardly brainwashed. More brainwired for paternalistic behaviour. Without surfing to confirm, my memory tells me we (yes we, as in the UK) are not against it but we have not received satisfactory assurances about their future behaviour. At least we are are consistently paternalistic, as befits a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
263 Think (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
(262)

This very thread is literally paved with Brutish Turnips lecturing us, Argentineans, about their willingness to spill the last drop of other peoples blood in defence of the Sacrosant Principle of Self Determination of
264 so_far (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
->
265 Think (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
Thanks....
(Damn Samsung Note II touchscreen!)
As I was saying.....:

(262) Cmdr. McDod

This very thread is literally paved with Brutish Turnips lecturing us, Argentineans, about their willingness to spill the last drop of other people’s blood in defence of the Sacrosanct Principle of Self Determination of less than 3,000 British Squatting Subjects in the South Atlantic……

At the same time, the 4,000,000 Palestinian living in the Holy Land and the ~15,000,000 strong Palestinian Diaspora don’t even seem to deserve a positive British vote at the UN…..

That’s no ”Paternalistic Behavior”.
That’s Brainwash…………..
266 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
@265 (but first thanks to agent 999) Don't confuse the brainwashing of the masses with the paternalism of the Government. The other citizens you get on here haven't escaped from the former into the latter as I obviously did courtesy of a public school and Russel Group eduction and a great career choice.

By the way, have you seen FINN - the question is unchanged. Some debate. No wonder Monty has gone missing. And there are also MT Squadrons.
267 Think (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
(266) Cmdr. McDod

Of course the Referendum question was left unchanged.....
C'mon......... Truly............!
Did you really expect it to be challenged by anybody on them Islands?
268 HansNiesund (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
@265
Curious you should mention that.

While the numerous Argentine UN experts on the board are just falling over themselves to vilify the UK for breaching resolutions which the UK has evidently not breached, none of them seem to be terribly exercised by the numerous resolutions which Israel has breached, nor by the firepower they have been visiting on the heads of a largely defenceless civilian population.

But then perhaps it's because they're all off with the Brits on another board dedicated to that topic, leaving only distraction merchants here to raise it.

@266
Rather unfortunately, your 'Russel Group eduction” doesn't seem to have helped a lot with your spelling. I don't mean 'eduction'.
269 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
@260 so_far

”#258 Mr Doveoverdover,

Not only 100% British citizenship you are... ... but also you know in details particular aspects of Malvinas lifestyle as well the idiosyncrasies of certain individuals living on those islands (among them greedy and ungrateful ).“

Oh, dear, another Troll Pantomime Alert !

Dover , so far, and Think trying so hard to reassure us that Dover is not an Argentine Troll.

Where's the Troll?? What, behind me??

Where, where??

Posts 262 and 266???

When's the next performance ”Dame Dover”??
270 agent999 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
@269 Troy Tempest
maybe you should be asking TTT
271 lsolde (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
Even if he's not a troll, its still sickening to see Think & DoD patting each other on their backs & being all hearty, dontcha know, haw haw.
Fakes-the two!
But of course, DoD IS an RG troll.
And Think, well that man couldn't lie straight in bed. The ultimate liar who “thinks” that he knows everything.
Talking about breaching UN Resolutions, malvinistas(especially YOU,señor Think), what are your explanations for the breaching of UNSC Resolution #502?
l await your revelations with bated breath.
272 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 07:01 am Report abuse
@271

I have a cure for your sick feeling. One that doesn't stop others from exercising their little grey cells for their own amusement and for the illumination of others less closed minded than you. Whenever you see a post from me or Think, pass quickly on to the next post or item. For the posters I find infantile, bigoted and irrelevant, I certainly do.
273 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 03:31 pm Report abuse
@272Dame DoD

“ posters I find infantile, bigoted and irrelevant,”

Don't forget those who are hostile towards you because you're a lying La Campora paid Troll.
274 Think (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
@271

I have a cure for your sick feeling. One that doesn't prevent others from exercising their little grey cells for their own amusement and for the enlightenment of those less closed-minded than you... Whenever you see a post from me or Mr. McDod, pass quickly on to the next post or item. For the posters I find turnipy, bigoted and/or irrelevant, I certainly do.

(But I always find time to read the comments of a British Squatterette in Malvinas that wishes to belly shot me with her impounded 7.62 FAL...;-)
275 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
@273 I read those. Here's some proof for you:

www.raf.mod.uk/rafwittering/aboutus/whoisbasedhere.cfm

”No 85 (EL) Wg, with an establishment of approximately 850 personnel, comprises 4 Air Combat Service Support Units: No 1 (Expeditionary Logistics) Sqn, No 2 (Mechanical Transport) (MT) Sqn, No 3 (Mobile Catering) Sqn and a small Headquarters Sqn”.
276 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
@275 DoD

Dear Dame DoD,

I didn't see that on there, but perhaps I didn't look hard enough.
Thanks for the link.
I'm amazed that so much information is made available to the public.
With this information generally available to anyone, in Britain, the USA, or Argentina, it seems your statements are just general knowledge and do not indisputably indicate that you are who you say you are.

You will need to do more to be convincing, given your uncharacteristic posts for a veteran, and your recent 'Dover' RBL embarrassments.
277 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
@276 Let me have your email and I'll send you a scan of my Commission, my last OJAR and my first Pension Statement, if you like.

No, wait a minute. WTF has it got to do with you? My service career is absolutely tip-top-secret. So it's maximum security, is that clear?
278 Think (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
What would I do without Arrsepedia?
www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/OJAR
www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Falklands :-)))
279 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
@277 Dame DoD

“@276 Let me have your email and I'll send you a scan of my Commission, my last OJAR and my first Pension Statement, if you like.

No, wait a minute. WTF has it got to do with you? My service career is absolutely tip-top-secret. So it's maximum security, is that clear?”

Gosh, thanks for an honest response, “I could, but I won't”.

@271isolde
“Even if he's not a troll, its still sickening to see Think & DoD patting each other on their backs & being all hearty, dontcha know, haw haw.
Fakes-the two!
But of course, DoD IS an RG troll.”

Sounds like Isolde (and others) have not only a disgust for your posts, but representing yourself as a British Serviceman, in order to discredit the UK Armed Forces and the government and people they fight and die for.

Morally, Isolde and others cannot just 'skip over' information and actions being grossly mis-represented by liars like you (that includes 'Think').

Certainly, there are others who write on here publicly, and elsewhere. They have revealed their identities to give themselves credibility.
Roger Lorton, for one.

But, I could understand that even a reasonable person would be reluctant.
That's why they've offered you the opportunity to fill in a few innocuous details that corroborate your anecdotes about yourself, yet don't reveal your true “tip-top secret identity”, Colonel Blink.

Until that happens, those that know better will denounce your statements as false, misleading, groundless, or outright lies.

Surely it is in your interest to answer the minor questions of ChrisR et al.
once vetted, you could establish your bona fides and your credibility as an independent thinker, rather than an Argentine drone loke ProARG that follows the Party Line.

But that will never happen.
280 Think (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
(279) Hold your horses!

Mr. Roger Lorton never needed any “Credibility” .

He was already a very popular fella in British Turnip Circles when he was Mr. Hoytred/Redhoyt.

After I commented (positively) on some of the books he had written, he choosed to “Go Public”.

Ain't that right Roger?

They have revealed their identities to give themselves credibility.
It was me that ”opened the doors for Mr. Roger Lorton's
Roger Lorton, for one.
281 agent999 (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
@Think
It's a bit like the creditability you have shown with your post @278
282 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
@280 “ Think”

“Think”, Are you sure you posted under the persona you intended to.

Whatever is your point??

Roger's credibility is all for the better, by revealing who he is to those who wish to know.

Dame Dover/ Col. Blink is a caricature of a retired RN serviceman, and a Troll by default.
283 Think (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
Ahhh... Mr. Roger Lorton....
A seriously insufferable Tory, but....
A man that knows how to debate in a civilized and intelligent manner...
I'm positive he shares many points of view with Cmdr. McDod...
A pity he got tired of all the insulting Turnips in here....
Like (282) for example...
284 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
@280 Think

”Mr. Roger Lorton never needed any “Credibility” .

I agree, but Dame Dover needs some!

Panto Trolls :- )
285 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
@279 Too right it won't ever happen. OPSEC on Mission GAINSBOROUGH is far more important than satisfying the idle curiosity of Jack and his OR mates.

You know, you really should stop calling me names. It's so, well, childish.
286 Anbar (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
This thread is priceless....

DoverOverDover gets “outed” elsewhere and now we have Argentine posters supporting that he is “legitimate”.... yeah... that will work chaps!

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“”“Let me have your email and I'll send you a scan of my Commission, my last OJAR and my first Pension Statement, if you like. ”“”

...if they existed you could, but they dont...so you are kinda screwed Mr Sock Puppet. :-0

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“”“”“Even if he's not a troll, its still sickening to see Think & DoD patting each other on their backs & being all hearty, dontcha know, haw haw.“”“”“

I wouldnt call it sickening: it indicates a certain desperation in that these people must create fake persona's to try to generate ”people on their side“.

DoverOver has been substantively Outed now...its just up to the rest of us to keep reminding newcomer that he/she is a proven sock-puppet with a fake ”history” and that everything they post is a figment of somebody else's imagination.
287 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
@286 Your input to this priceless thread is worthless. Per Ardua, now there's a Walt who knows a thing or two about being outed.
288 Think (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
(285) Back to Arrsepedia to understand what Cmdr. McDod is saying…….

OPSEC: www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/OPSEC...... ahhhhh

Mission GAINSBOROUGH: www.arrse.co.uk/arrse_wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=Mission+GAINSBOROUGH+&go=Go&hellip;......... No match!

But,…Wait a minute!
That’s sounds like Black Adder!
Very cunning...................., Darling.
289 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
@288 As cunning as a fox......
290 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:39 am Report abuse
@288,289

Take off the grease paint you 'two', the audience has left.

Panto Trolls
291 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 08:06 am Report abuse
@288 For once, I tend to agree with @290's underlying sentiment. This little divertissement has run its course. I wonder though, really, why there was so much interest in the presence or not of an RBL in Dover when the whole thing was quite clearly a minor pastiche on the wisdom and effectiveness or otherwise of Referendums staged for PR purposes. It's a shame that no one seems to want to engage on the substance, preferring pathetic name calling and personal insults instead. Still, that's the Association Football loving classes for you. Play the man not the ball.
292 Think (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 08:46 am Report abuse
(291) Cmdr. McDod

They “Play the man not the ball”….., you say..
Jupppppp…......... That’s the Turnips way, alright…

This humble, run of the mill Patagonian dweller, has been called things like...: murderer, pedophile, ethnic cleanser, fascist, communist, nazi, liar, hypocrite, stalker, troll, deranged and many other epithets .......

One of the cruelest turnip in here went so low to call me “British” ….
Another vicious turnip called me “Tyke”…..
That did really hurt!

Chuckle chuckle©
293 HansNiesund (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:08 am Report abuse
@291 @292

Come, come, gentlemen, there were a good 250 posts of the usual Punch & Judy before attention turned to the presence or not of an RBL in Dover.

And that's not because anybody cares whether or not there actually is an RBL in Dover, but because that was the moment when the curtain finally slipped and the hand up the Commmander's arse was revealed.

That really was a hoot, but what has been almost more entertaining has been the numerous failed ploys to get the audience to look the other way while stagehands attempt to get the curtain back into place.

They haven''t worked.
294 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:34 am Report abuse
@292 You can always rely on at least one of the anal and puppetry obsessed to come back with an attempt at a crushing put down. @293 is of the most perplexing sort. He seems to be coherent and he may even believe what he writes but, as always, there just isn't any substance and it just reads like the demented ranting of the perpetually outwitted.
295 Think (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:54 am Report abuse
(291) Cmdr. Mc Dod

Seems to be that the Turnips believe your rank to be the one I, so vicariously adjudged you...
Would be nice to know the real one though….. Just to adjust the length and sternness of my salutes….;-)
296 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:12 am Report abuse
@295 That deserves an answer but Mrs McDoD insists I go shopping if I'm to be allowed to watch the England v All Blacks. Priorities and the chain of command....
297 HansNiesund (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:37 am Report abuse
@294 @295

All the same, gents, noblesse oblige and I do have to say it was a rather impressive run while it lasted, at least the part I saw of it. At a minimum you did manage to create enough doubt around the character to keep him teetering on the brink of credibility, and for quite some time too.

But not quite enough to establish the willing suspensions of disbelief. In the end it wasn't just the RBL slip that gave you away, hilarious though it may have been to present a supposed senior officer of the RN chancing upon a specialist in Tierra del Fuego affairs in a non-existent British Legion in Dover.

You have to add to the mix the cloying chumminess, the self-basting conceit (a Think trademark if ever there was one), the snide pursuit of an agenda distinct from, but entirely complementary to Think's, and last but not least the evident mepris for female opponents in particular.

You should especially keep an eye on that last one for the next creation, it's a dead give-away.
298 Think (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:45 am Report abuse
(296) Cmdr. McDod

Very well Sir.....
“List of Chain of Command in the Mc DoD Clan..., Sir:

Mrs McDoD, obviously. All Mrs McDoD's friends, their families, their families' servants, their families' servants' tennis partners, LR Nelson, LR Nigger and some chap you bumped into the Downs RBl the other day called Per Ardua.”
299 HansNiesund (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:54 am Report abuse
@298

And let's not forget Mrs Miniver.
300 lsolde (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:57 am Report abuse
And where do you slot in, Seaman Think?
Or perhaps you are in fact, the Commander?
Don't be shy, Think. Reveal yourself.
301 Think (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 11:26 am Report abuse
(300) Cher Isolde

I'm not on “Ze List” honeybunch......
302 redpoll (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
Come on Isolde we know he is Admiral of the Fleet of the Lichtenstein Navy, flagship Marie Celeste perhaps?
303 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@295 On Day 1 of my resettlement course the Consultant running it asked us all what rank we will be when we leave the service. We all responded with our ranks which he capped with “Well, Gentlemen, the day after you leave you're all Mr”.

Second anecdote. We had a dedicated phone line from the JOC at MP to the Navy HQ at Ushuaia for deconfliction and confidence building. The Watchkeepers were a Navy Lt, and RAF Flt Lt and an Army Capt (RHA actually at the time of this story). One day I was speaking to the Cdr at the other end of the phone and he asked to speak to my boss, the Capt, as over the months they had shared their mutual interest in Polo and become good friends over the phone. My boss was a Gp Capt.

I'll settle for Mr or Cdr.
304 Think (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
(303) Mr. McDod

Mr. it is then, as that smart Resettlement Consultant so cunningly capped...
Sounds much more human.....

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