Monday, November 26th 2012 - 07:19 UTC

Falklands’ March 10/11 referendum, a democratic exercise of self determination

The Falklands referendum on March 10/11 is designed to simply ask the people of the Islands to state clearly their wishes regarding their political status, and this is supported by democratic practice, the UN guiding principle of self determination and even by Ban Ki-moon in recent reports in the Argentine press, said lawmaker Dick Sawle.

MLA Dick Sawle: Argentina only wishes to colonize the Falklands

“The right of people to freely choose their own system of government is not only the fundamental principle of democracy but also the guiding principle of the United Nations”, explained MLA Sawle who then referred to UN Secretary General statement reported by the Argentine press: “Ban Ki-moon: kelpers should be able to decide their own future” and published in La Nacion, 11 November 2012.

“Our referendum on the 10th/11th March next year is no more than the exercise of our basic and fundamental human rights. It will send a clear message to those who care to listen and those who do not wish to listen will be ignoring a fully democratic exercise”, said Member of the Legislative Assembly Sawle, adding that “to deny that right is to deny fundamental democratic principles and to ignore the guiding principles of the United Nations”.

“Sovereignty has to be accepted, respected and determined by the people”.

MLA Sawle admitted that the Falklands’ government is well aware that the administration of President Cristina Fernandez is involved in an urgent global campaign to try and discredit the referendum, --which they fear--, and will go to no end with that purpose in mind.

“Argentina simply wishes to own us and if they did, we would become a colony of Argentina, the reverse in fact of everything that modern democracies stand for”.

Further on MLA Sawle said that the Argentine claim that the Falklands’ people are a transplanted population is ‘nonsense’.

“We have people in the Falklands whose families go back nine generations. Our home was settled naturally in a similar way to the rest of Latin America and we have people of many different nationalities living in the Falklands”, but “nobody would try to claim that the other countries, including those within South America, do not have similar rights and history shows us that they have successfully exercised those rights”.

Finally history teaches that those who govern must listen to the voice of the people and “to ignore the voice of the people, as all Argentines know from their own history and current difficulties, is a dangerous strategy”.

Thus, according to MLA Sawle “it comes as no surprise to those of us who live in the Falkland Islands that the current Argentine government has no desire to listen to us or to engage with us in any form of discussion. It is no surprise therefore that they wish to ignore the voice of the Falkland Islands in the same way that they ignore the voice of their own people”
 

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1 brucey-babe (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:17 am Report abuse
I never wish to hurry my life away, but, roll-on March 10 / 11.
2 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:20 am Report abuse
Has anyone heard the rumour that Provincia de Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur are organising an extension of the Referendum to include the populations of their three Departments?
3 Idlehands (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:28 am Report abuse
2 Doveoverdover

Please please please let that be true!
4 Pete Bog (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:35 am Report abuse
@2
It would be marvellous if Tierra del Fuego were independant- their economy would benefit greatly from dealing with the Falkland Islands as Argentina doesn't appear to be doing much for them.
5 HansNiesund (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:41 am Report abuse
@2

I thought transplanted populations weren't allowed to have referenda?
6 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
Awesome comments from Dick Sawle, well said! I'm surprised there aren't more comments on this story however...where are all the trolls telling us our referendum is a joke and will have no impact on their wishes to colonize the FI?

Hehehe :-)
7 Pirate Love (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
The Falklands population have Democracy and human right on their side, no democratic country in the world can argue that and still keep face, regardless of how much botox it has!
I wonder how many So called Democracies will champion this referendum? a sure sign to the world on where true democracy lies or in argentinas case, Does not!

SELF DETERMINATION, All day , every day!
8 BritishLion (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
We all know what the outcome of the referendum will be, we also know that the idiots in Argentina will complain, whine and do all they can to discredit the process even though all they will be doing is discrediting themselves even further by 'cutting off their noses to spite their faces'. The recent cruise ship debarcal is another example of Argentine Government policy when they run out of excuses...send in the thugs and beat out the oposition. They thought they could do that by invading in 1982, they lost, they will keep on loosing and keep on making idiots of themselves until they give up bullying and taking things by force. Hiding behind the veil of democracy is no longer an option as the world can see that they have not changed for the better, they are still evil dictators and corrupted.
9 ChrisR (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
The real problem of course is that the majority of the world has not heard of Argentina and more than likely the same for the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas).

That is why it is vital for the FIG to keep up their excellent programme of information and education of as many new countries as possible.

Contrast this to TMBOA who still thinks that talking down to people (Harvard) and ranting and raving (every time she opens that mouth of hers) is the way to win friends. What an awful woman.

Well done the FIG.
10 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
@5 Did you really? What made you change your mind?
11 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 03:00 pm Report abuse
I thought the article itself was beyond pity, a Falklander official talking crap and passing judgements about another country's internal affairs (while in the same breath espousing “self-determination”... I'm starting to believe the Anglo-saxons are trully mad in the old sense of the word... and BTW his lies on the situation in Argentina are so off the mark he should be arrested for defamation)...

But then the comments in section top it off. So the “fantasy” of the day is making a story about Tierra del Fuego... hahaha, get it through your heads brits: we ain't Britain. We are a very united country, not a place being held by stitches and rusting wires.

And there is nothing to discuss Mr Sawle: you are a dependency of the UK, as you wish. That is all that should matter to you. No other issues exist to sit down and negotiate between ARG and FI.
12 Pirate Love (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
@11 nothing to negotiate, FI or UK do not wish to discuss soverignty no matter how much argentina whines, so please tell me what is so mad about Self determination? you sound like the voice of a dictator , telling people they are mad to want to choose their own destiny, now thats madness....

Anglo saxon and proud, what of it?? and will forever be! regardless of any dictator wannabes bitter spouts , as im aware we all have history dont we? thats right we all have history! and if you are the alternative option then im glad im Anglo-saxon , :)))))))
glad to see you value anglo-saxon enough to learn its modern language. Poppet!
13 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
@12

There is nothing mad about self-determination. I support it and it's application to the Falklanders.

You are “mad” for baying self-determiantion, and then making commentary to criticize the choices made by other people's, which made such choices under self-determination!!!

You are indeed, mad.

And I agree the FI or UK should not negotiate the sovereignty. Since the position currently in the Falklands is the desired outcome for the people there, I fail to see why this “ML” still insist to accuse Argentina of not wanting to “discuss” with them.

So I'm guessing you are not satisfied with self-determination, you want to force other nations from self-determination not to want to negotiate with others??

I'm sure you still fail to see the hypocrisy. I forgive you because anglo-saxons are hypocrisy-blind.
14 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
@11

And the tolls arrive! Please explain to me why I, or anyone else, should give a f* what you think?

Dick wasn't passing judgement on RGland, just stating that CFK is ignoring her people, which is true, or did you miss all the protests? Maybe CFK wouldn't allow the RG media to cover it in case her loyal suppporters suddenly thought that not all of RGland love her likes she claims.
15 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
@11 Putting aside the erroneous claim that Argentina is a united country when by her own definition exercise of sovereignty in two of the four parts of the southern Province is prevented by foreign powers.....

I heard the rumour from my wife's tennis partner and a man called Bernard I met in the bar of the Dover Royal British Legion. Apparently, the idea is to ask the same question of the population throughout the rest of the Province (in the official languages of spanish and english of course). “Do you wish the Islands to remain a British Overseas Territory?” or whatever the question eventually turns out to be (anyone know yet?)

That would yield an overwhelming NO vote, thus triggering a debate, as promised in the draft preamble, in all parts of the Province and ultimately in the UN about what the alternatives are. I must say, it has some interesting PR connotations, bearing in mind this is all about PR. Best of all, hours more Mercopress fun.
16 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
@14

“And the tolls arrive! Please explain to me why I, or anyone else, should give a f* what you think?”

Ah, British democratic values at work.

You people are so predictable, I feel like I'm with 2nd graders.

What do the protest have to do with ignoring people? Don't you brits “claim” 1 million marched in London against the Iraq war?

Well I'm glad we agree, Blair and CFK are exactly the same, they ignored their own people. Thus Britain is not a democracy.

May I remind you I am applying to the UK the standards you anglo-saxies are using for Argentina. Massive protest and the government did squat? You claim that's ignoring the people... well, you may well be the most ignored people on Earth, because in Argentina at least a president DID resign from protest.

So, how does it feel being more ignored by your government than us?

LOL, I love using your twisted logic that you antis love applying to Argentina against you.

Yes, I know, no one cares what I think. That's the essence of British “democracy”, I know. The one that allowed you to subjugate millions under an Empire built in DEMOCRACY (or so you claim since you brits spew that you have been one since the 1690''s)

Oops. I used your own information against you again. See what I did.

This is fun, debunking the great superiority myth of the angles.
17 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
@16

“Subjugate millions” Eh? What happened to all the native South Americans then? Oh yes, you killed them all! Britian was a superpower back in the Empire days and taking over other countries was what superpowers did back then. Like the Romans, the Ottomans, the Spainish, the Danish, the French (to an extent). So if you think bringing up the 'old' days makes Britian the devil incarnante then you better include most of Europe in that thinking. (Also RGland was built by europeans so you need to include yourselves, since the sins of the father pass on to their children it seems, if we are responsible for the Empire days). Just because our Empire was the most impressive and you lot are angry because those days are gone and you missed your chance.

Iraq has nothing to do with this conversation. I am saying that millions protested against CFK mere weeks ago and your president ignored them, which is what Dick was saying in this article. He says that if CFK won't listen to her own people then there is no way they will respect our wishes. You claim to support our right to self-determination, well woopie-freaking-do since your government doesn't and it is them whose opinion means something to everyone living here, not yours, how self-important you might feel.

If you are trying to upset me you're gonna have to do better than that.
18 Pirate Love (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
yawn, same old deflective lies and misinformation told by Pro-Arg trolls 1000 times over!
want to see a great example of democractic values tune in on march 2013, im sure your will hate it. Twist that!

SELF-DETERMINATION, Anglo-styley! :))))))
19 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
@17

I do include ALL European nations and peoples in my line of thinking. I am RENOWNED in this forum for calling Europeans out on their execrable atrocities... well mostly I call out Europeans for not saying “sorry” with true contrition, and paying reparations.

Argentines are not Europeans so you can forget about the “primogeniture” gambit.

You sound like a child? How did CFK ignore the protest? By not immediately following up on all the demands made?? Is that really how you suggest representative government work?

Well in that case thank goodness we have no relations with you.

What Argentina's government thinks should be of no consequence to you. They are wrong, you know it, I know it, and you already have the status you wish for, British citizens.

Beyond that, there is nothing to discuss between you and us. Nothing at all.
20 Idlehands (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
“Beyond that, there is nothing to discuss between you and us. Nothing at all”

Then why are you here banging on about anything and everything as long as it's not the topic of the article?
21 Pirate Love (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
@19 yes there is, will you be attending the referendum in 2013 on
SELF-DETERMINATION!
22 Terence Hill (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
11 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) I thought that 'talking crap and passing judgements about another country's internal affairs' was official Argentine policy, when it came to the Falklands. I see only Argentina has this right. Why? because they say so. How stupid I am missing the logic in that.
23 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
@20

I am here to combat the blanket, sweeping, and many times uncalled insults of my country and my society. Any further questions?

And you know very well I mostly stay clear of Falkland articles, because I agree with the position of the antis here. But when a Falkland islander makes comments on my countryk they are fair game. They ain't Gods, i know you anglos want to think of yourselfs as beyond reproach, but us in Argentina just laugh at your attitude.

@21

yawn, you are now spamming the website. Congrats for arriving at your ultimate IQ level.

@22

Well I don't think they do, if what you say is true.
24 kelperabout (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:17 pm Report abuse
5 HansNiesund (#)

If we islanders are a trnsplanted people then all of Argentina is as well because your people invaded and killed the indigenus people to take their land. I think our existance is more likely correct as a people that migrated from the northern hehisphere
25 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
@24

Actually not, since the land was devoid of humans, it should have stayed so in the first place, like Antarctica. Unless you are supportive of populating Antarctica.
26 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
@19

This is what the poeple said:

”In conversations with a radio station, the picketer justified the strike, stating that “it hurts to see how the government mistreats and punishes workers and how it lies to us. It hurts to see how the inflation hits on us all. How the health and education systems are deteriorating. So, be aware that tomorrow’s strike is not only because of salary claims but for the most urgent needs. The only thing the government has done is permanently disqualify workers and this causes lot of anger within in the labour movement” Alderete said and added: “The labour movement has to be at the service of the workers and neither to a government nor employers”.

CFK responded by talking about the Chinese elections.

Well in that's how your president responds to direct citizism, thank goodness we have no relations with you.

Of course what RGland government thinks is of consequence to us! They block flights, shipping, tourism, all because they want to colonize us. Grow up and learn something about your country before talking down to me.
27 Pirate Love (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
@23 combatting nothing certainly not helping any cause with lies and misinformation,and insults and yes Yawn! Your lies gets boring, because you say the same sh*t lies ranting on about iraq, anglo phobia, implanted population like an islamic extremist, that has nothing to do with the issue, in your attempt to deflect so with no further ado,

Looking forward to the 2013 democratic referendum to show the world the Falklands true wishes..master stroke Falklands!

SELF DETERMINATION :))) Best wishes Anglo-land!
28 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
@26

Yes, because we have to believe verbatum the opinio of a disgruntled person. Everything he said must be to the dotted i 100% accurate.

So I guess Britain is “f@*# all”, according to this Brit:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGcGDReCQIQ

As for the shipping, flights, tourism, etc... according to your friends 9,000 miles away, who claim to know better than me, Argentina's actions have had no effect on th FIs.

So I would suggest you huddle with them, agree on a unified anti-argie propaganda line, and then come back to me.
29 Troy Tempest asshole (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:38 pm
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30 Pirate Love (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
@28 Yet more deflection bull...

yet he cannot escape SELF-DETERMINATION, no matter how much links he posts :)))
31 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
Self-determination yes. Discussions with Argentina on anything else no... self-determination (of Argentina).
32 Conqueror (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
@11 Nothing to negotiate then. Don't hope for the Islanders or Britain to ever negotiate about the Islands. Won't happen.
@13 “You” may support self-determination. TMBOA doesn't.
@16 What do I care whether 1 million marched in London? Less than 2% of the population. Hussein was a mad dog. Who invaded Kuwait? Who murdered Kurds with chemical weapons? How many other countries and peoples were in danger? Who, in cowardly, war criminal fashion, used “human shields”? When you come upon a mad dog, you shoot it. Quite simple.
@19 How about you saying “sorry” and paying reparations for the genocide of the true “Argentine” people? How do YOU feel about all the blood and bones of indigenous people that you walk on? You say Argentines are not European. Then why do you speak Spanish?
@23 You have never made one helpful or useful comment. Not one. Compare yourself to Simon. No, don't bother. You haven't got out of kindergarten yet.
33 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
@32

And the WORLD took Hussein out of Kuwait. Whatever happened within Iraq is none of your nosy business, no matter how criminal or “unnaceptable” to western consciousness. You didn't come upon a mad dog, you went out deep in the woods to get him. Agressors, simple as that, violators of the basic charter of the UN. Simple as that. Have made the UN sec council into a forum of waging war, simple as that. Congratulations, that is your legacy for peace.

@19

Sorry, but you were FIRST. And you are more moral than “us” right? So what are you waiting for? Or is the “H” word once again rearing its Head when it comes to the Brits/Europeans?
34 Pirate Love (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 05:02 pm Report abuse
@31 hasnt argentina already chose ITS own self determination??? and chose Independence from spain, oh i see its ok for argentina to have SELF DETERMINATION but not the Peaceful people of The falklands who never committed genocide and steal land??

I think you will find The Falklands will choose their destiny and argentina will remain crying from the sidelines for many many years to come, but thats just my opinion and in a dem0cratic world everyone is entitled to that, funny that.

SELF DETERMINATION! All day every day!
35 ChrisR (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 05:23 pm Report abuse
15 Doveoverdover

That was a nicely done little sucker punch you slipped in there, which seems to have got past the others.

Given the fact that mob are argies and have no authority over the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) then it really does not matter what they vote in their 'referendum'.

In fact I think we should encourage it, if only to demonstrate to the UN that the argies have no understanding of WTF is going on: so situation normal then. :o)

You sure you are British?
36 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
@34

They should have self-determination, even though they took over a pristine land like Antarctica, in other words, they did exactly what the British oppose doing, colonizing lands with no people on them. More hypocrisy that's all.

But they still have the right to self-determination. They don't have the right to criticize Argentina because we don't want to sit down and talk to them (presumably over things like fishing or shipping arrangements).

That is of no interest to us.
37 ProRG_American (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
A waste of time. The whole world knows that this is more colonial smokescreen. I hear that Uruguay has already voiced it's right out rejection of this “democratic exercise of self determination”, and will work in supporting Argentina to have it dismissed from the Internnational forums for the absurdity that it is. Brasil has already made Buenos Aires know of it's view on the need to reject it.
Nice try Mr. (Import) Dick Sawle. I feel somewhat sorry for the man, he is just doing the job that London paid him to do, sell the colonial situaition for what it's not, a democratic enclave in a far flung edge of the former empire, surrounded by extremist undemocratic fascist dictatorships.
I am sure that if Argentina said, “hey we will drop our claim”, he would be on the first plane out of there.
38 Pirate Love (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 06:02 pm Report abuse
I hear that Uruguay has already voiced it's right out rejection of this “democratic exercise of self determination”,
as your starting point is hearsay and nothing more, even if true it wont make a blindb bit of difference and will still go down in UN history and thats what matters, the days of Argentinas blackmail towards The Falklands is nearing an end, especially when democratically recognized and who knows what influential regional or global organisations will be open to the falklands to join, it its plight for.....
SELF DETERMINATION! 2013 referendum Fact not hearsay!
39 ChrisR (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
37 ProRG_argie

I bet, as usual, you cannot prove that statement with written evidence that Uruguay is working against the Falklanders.

Whereas I can prove that the livestock industry and others, with the full knowledge of the government of Uruguay are actively developing commercial links with the islanders.

BTW I just LOVE your sooth saying fantasy in the final paragraph!

Let me make you a prediction: early in 2013 when things come crashing down around TMBOA, she WILL be the first one out of Argentina! The difference is of course my prediction is based on reality and the fact that TMBOA has robbed you stupid prats blind and you still support the bitch. Ha, ha, ha.
40 Monkeymagic (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
15, Dove

Good idea....NOT

So based on your logic, we should give the total population of India and Pakistan a vote on whether India should colonise Pakistan?

We should give the total population of USA and Cuba a vote on whether the US should colonise Cuba

Perhaps we should give the total population of China, Tibet, Nepal, Taiwan, Vietnam a vote,on whether China should colonise all of them.

What a genius idea. perhapsmwemcould give the Brazillians and Argentines a vote as to whether Brazil would like to colonise Argentina.

You have managed to put forward a proposal evn more ridiculous than Think, never thought that would be possible.
41 Per Ardua (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
Dover, you said “I heard the rumour from my wife's tennis partner and a man called Bernard I met in the bar of the Dover Royal British Legion. ”

Which RBL Club would that be then?
42 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
Normally I don't expect anyone to read serial responses like this (I don't myself) but as they are related....

@35 Your kind recognition is very much appreciated. The smug self-satisfaction is doubled if someone publicly acknowledges it.

@40 It's a rumour not a proposal. I wouldn't want anyone to propose the holding of a referendum where the result is 100% predictable, believing it to be a serious political act that will in any way contribute to resolving conflicts of the type you list.

@41 Is that really a serious question?
43 Anbar (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
“”“Argentines are not Europeans so you can forget about the “primogeniture” gambit.”“”“

erm... yes they are.

They colonised South America and displaced the indigenous peoples... its going to be pretty hard to find any history books where that did not happen.

- - - -

I see that the usual suspect of the pro-Argentine voices here are stuck in the same old rut though.... this whole self-determination thing REALLY scares them... probably because it completely bypasses the entire sovereignty issue... ”who cares about that, we're the only people who can determine our future anyway.”

And with Ban ki-moon having publicly backed that position...well... the fat lady is into her warm-up routine.

I dont think the Argentine Government has any answers to this other than outright denial...and it shows.
44 Per Ardua (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
Yes, serious question. I'm wondering which RBL club in Dover you drank in. That should be easy to answer.
45 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
@43

Argentina is the country LEAST scared on Earth about self-determination. Why because of this:

“probably because it completely bypasses the entire sovereignty issue... ”who cares about that, we're the only people who can determine our future anyway.”

Bypassing the sovereignty issue is a meaningless worry for a trully united, unified nation like Argentina's 24 provinces.

This is MASSIVE shit-in-the pants scary proposition for the rest of the nations of the Americas, and all the states of Europe.

Allow ”self-determination” in your OWN countries (you won't because you are hipocrites and pusillanimous), and watch your nations go up in smoke (or dust of history books) in a febrile wave of separatist, secessionist, and independentist ecstasy.
46 Pugol-H (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
Nicely put, the Islanders are really getting good at putting their side of the story in a clear and concise manner.

On the world stage they are clearly winning this argument, now that Argentina has raised the profile of the issue.

@37
Meanwhile back in reality!!!!
47 Anbar (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
Nostro:

“”“Bypassing the sovereignty issue is a meaningless worry for a trully united, unified nation like Argentina's 24 provinces. ”“”

dont make me laugh ;-0
what were all those people doing out the other evening? celebrating their “truly unified & united” country... or protesting against a government that is destroying their incomes and international future?

Either way it didn’t look very unified & united (except in opposition to the government!)

“”“This is MASSIVE shit-in-the pants scary proposition for the rest of the nations of the Americas, and all the states of Europe.””

Erm…. Why?

“”””””””””Allow ”self-determination” in your OWN countries (you won't because you are hipocrites and pusillanimous), and watch your nations go up in smoke (or dust of history books) in a febrile wave of separatist, secessionist, and independentist ecstasy.””””””

Rants don’t tend to do much for me old chap…. Post something sensible without the spittle and I’m happy to respond though.

(BTW… aren’t Scotland & catalonia doing the whole referendum thing?)
48 Per Ardua (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
Come on DoD, which street is the Dover RBL Club in? You must know, as you drink there.
49 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
@47

Only a purblind like yourself would equate “dissatisfaction” (which last time I checked occurs in every country on the globe), with “oh we want to break away”.

Maybe that is the way you resolve things in your countries, but not in Argentina.
50 Anbar (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
@49 Hey Guzz , how is DTU treating you? ;-)
51 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
This won't convince anyone who isn't already a convinced supporter of Britain and the status quo. Oh and btw Mr Dick, keep out of Argentina's internal affairs; not that it should be any of his business under his own ideology of seperation from the mainland, but the Cristina government unlikealmost all its predecessors does represent the wishes of the Argentine people, and does listen to them (this does NOT mean having to agree with every minority action like the right wing rich kids' protest or the treacherous scab strike!); she'd even listen to you if you were Argentine...
52 Anbar (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
“”“This won't convince anyone who isn't already a convinced supporter of Britain and the status quo.”“”

Oh yes it will :-0

“””but the Cristina government unlikealmost all its predecessors does represent the wishes of the Argentine people, and does listen to them (this does NOT mean having to agree with every minority action like the right wing rich kids' protest or the treacherous scab strike!)“”“”

I think that that sentence says everything it needs to about your objectivity.

You could, however, compare feet Injuries with your favourite old-lady.
53 briton (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
16 replies from Argies 11 from Nostrolldamus,

Boy he defends his indoctrinated corner very well,

We think we are looking at CFKs new 2nd in command,

Still,
The point being in point of fact,
1, they have a right to vote
2, it has nothing to do with argentina,
Then again if CFK thinks it has,

Then surely by her own logic, the Falklands should have a say in how argentina is run, who gets elected, ect .
Shame hypercrits, never see it the other way around,
mmmm

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54 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
51 British_Kirchnerist

“but the Cristina government unlikealmost all its predecessors does represent the wishes of the Argentine people, and does listen to them”

Oh I'm sure she does!!! I have no doubt that she listens to them, and THEN she ignores them.

LOL
55 Pirate Love (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
considering argentina are not scared of the Democratic Free and fair referendum in 2013 held by The Falklands People to determine their own future and Their Self Determination under The Human right charter, it certainly has got the back up of pro arg posters, i cant think why :))))

”It is no surprise therefore that they wish to ignore the voice of the Falkland Islands in the same way that they ignore the voice of their own people”
Class........and looking at the ever so popular argentine pasttime of pot banging, Hes bang on the money! since when has it ever bothered argentina to meddle in the internal affairs of another country, suck it up!

SELF DETERMINATION, It wont be beaten, Falklands your finest hour awaits, Argentina you already know your fate.......R.I.P!
56 ProRG_American (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 12:04 am Report abuse
38 Pirate Love (#) You asked for it....“You got it. Take it away! Eso!”
From the North of the Rio Grande!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wxJj2EsVm4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvgse6vTlnM

Here it is... En Espanol....from your friends at Clarin too...
www.clarin.com/politica/Uruguay-ratifico-Malvinas-rechazo-referendum_0_816518466.html

....and La Republica...Uruguay...
www.diariolarepublica.net/2012/11/almagro-rechaza-referendum-en-malvinas/
57 José Malvinero (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:04 am Report abuse
“We have people in the Falklands whose families go back nine generations.“
It seems that is not the case for this despicable agent of the Queen:
”Biography:
Dick Sawle was born in Sheffield in the UK in 1954. He was educated in Lancashire at Rossall School, and post A levels studied Spanish, South American Studies and Egyptology at Liverpool University. After University he did a postgraduate teaching certificate at Westminster College in Oxford. His first teaching job was at a boarding school in Shropshire, where he taught Spanish and French as well as a variety of outdoor pursuits including climbing, windsurfing, skiing and squash. He also taught English in Spain.“
”Their fishing company, Seaview Limited, grew and expanded and with Spanish partners, the business expanded to two more joint venture vessel-owning companies and became one of the larger players in the Loligo fishery. Seaview has operated the only cold storage facility in the Falklands since 1990.“
etc. etc.
Apparently reviewing its ”great” curriculum, this type only learned Spanish ..... ahh! -and steal Argentine squid, that's how it is called: Illex argentinus and not Illex only.

www.falklands.gov.fk/assembly/Hon._Dick_Sawle.html
58 kelperabout (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:15 am Report abuse
25 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Never doubted your responce for a minute because that is how small minded your type really are. It is quite Ok for the Argentines to do as they want including settling in antartica even announcing the birth of one of theirs in antartica to make their claim. Symply pathetic. I am so glad that I am among the people that decided to come settle these beautiful Islands and not ended up as part of the dirt that murdered it's way into south america.

What is also interesting right now is the fact that your sick leader cfk while trying to disrupt our tourist industry has actually been responsible for the down turn in tourist visitors this past year to Argentina. Oh that must be hurting so much given the Falklands saw a vast increase in their visors. Even better than that we are still progressing inspite of the so called blockade which I am sure you now realise is actually not working either.
The only down side to all of this is the well bieng of the innocent Argentines cought up in the whole issue by bieng brain washed for so long the poor souls haven't got a clue to the truth.
59 si, si, si (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:05 am
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60 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:23 am Report abuse
Dr Mengele was German, yet it didn't stop him becoming Argentine.
61 Malvinero1 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 03:47 am Report abuse
Dr Mengele was German, yet it didn't stop him becoming Argentine,uk has much worse criminal...buzz off,LIAR..
Caroline Elkins, a professor at Harvard, spent nearly 10 years compiling the evidence contained in her book Britain's Gulag: the Brutal End of Empire in Kenya. She started her research with the belief that the British account of the suppression of the Kikuyu's Mau Mau revolt in the 1950s was largely accurate. Then she discovered that most of the documentation had been destroyed. She worked through the remaining archives, and conducted 600 hours of interviews with Kikuyu survivors – rebels and loyalists – and British guards, settlers and officials. Her book is fully and thoroughly documented. It won the Pulitzer prize. But as far as Sandbrook, James and other imperial apologists are concerned, it might as well never have been written.

Elkins reveals that the British detained not 80,000 Kikuyu, as the official histories maintain, but almost the entire population of one and a half million people, in camps and fortified villages. There, thousands were beaten to death or died from malnutrition, typhoid, tuberculosis and dysentery. In some camps almost all the children died.

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/23/british-empire-crimes-ignore-atrocities
Shame on the brits....
62 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:30 am Report abuse
Desperate Argie Distraction Fail. Utterly irrelevant to the subject being discussed. 1/10. Must try harder. Must not tell lies.
63 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:55 am Report abuse
@25 Nozzy

Actually not, since the land was devoid of humans, it should have stayed so in the first place, like Antarctica. Unless you are supportive of populating Antarctica.

Thanks for admitting that Fslklands were devoid of humans before the Brits.
what does Antarctica, subject to international agreements today, have to do with the Falklands that were settled 200 years ago, the same time Europeans were settling Tierra del Fuego?
64 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:01 am Report abuse
This won't convince anyone who isn't already a convinced supporter of Britain and the status quo. Oh and btw Mr Dick, keep out of Argentina's internal affairs; not that it should be any of his business under his own ideology of seperation from the mainland, but the Cristina government unlikealmost all its predecessors does represent the wishes of the Argentine people, and does listen to them (this does NOT mean having to agree with every minority action like the right wing rich kids' protest or the treacherous scab strike!); she'd even listen to you if you were Argentine...
65 Benson (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:03 am Report abuse
@37 ProRG
“I am sure that if Argentina said, “hey we will drop our claim”, he would be on the first plane out of there.”
Despite the fact that he lived in the Falklands for decades before he got into politics?
66 downunder (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:12 am Report abuse
The Falklands' referendum is a good idea because it will formalise the wishes of the Islanders with the UN and international community. While the result is predictable, it will help stake out the legitimate wishes of the Islanders and will be another step along the path of self determination for the Islanders. Good luck Kelpers!!
67 kelperabout (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
Some interesting comments made on this one. Especially the one by 64 British_Kirchnerist who says that cfk represents the wishes of her people. I wonder why then her popularity rating is in the dustbin right now. Not the kind of rating you would expect from people thatt were contented. Think maybe the Country is heading for a new government change sooner rather than later which could explain the reason for cfk to harass the Islanders. Almost an identical repeat of pre- 1982. The Falkland islanders are going to have their refferendum whether cfk likes it or not. I suspect the outcome will be rejected by her unless we were to opt for her to have full soverignty and that is never going to happen period.
Yes , 63 Troy Tempest , I think you nailed that one nicely.
68 Simon68 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:45 pm Report abuse
Per Ardua:

I'm very interested in your question to DoD, as I was informed that the RBL in Dover does NOT have a bar, and that all “festivities” take place at the RBL club in Deal, could you please confirm this information as it would seem to prove without doubt that DoD id in fact another manifestation of the Chubutense Think!!!!!

Now as to BK's ridiculous claim that CFK represents ALL Argentines and that she listens to them, there is a growing majority of around 56% who claim that CFK either does not or NO LONGER represents them and there is no doubt that she does not listen to us nor does she HEAR what we ask of her: to stop fighting with all and sundry and to start finding solutions for the ills that are damaging our country!!!!!!
69 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
@63

There is no international agreement on Antarctica. There is a “freeze” pun intended, of all claims. The treaty did not invalidate the claims for good, it simply was a hold.

And besides, you Brits and the rest are all day demanding Argentines do leave Tierra del Fuego, and the mainland.... so the hypocrisy meter just blew off.
70 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
@68 Simon, Dover doesn't have a RBL branch, let alone a club, and hasn't had one for many years. Having been caught lying, he's now desperately back-pedalling and blustering, claiming to actually be a member of Downs Branch, which is in Deal, quite a few miles from Dover (presumably because that's the first RBL branch that pops up when you Google 'Dover RBL'). His previous bollocks re being a retired RN officer has never rung true - he tries too hard and consequently comes across as a Google-sustained caricature to anyone who has actually served. He's the Malvinista equivalent of a 56 year-old pervert pretending to be a 14 year-old Justin Beiber fan.
71 GFace (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:19 am Report abuse
@69 TTT, just let it go. The status quo in Antarctica will continue. Even without cliamte change and Antarctica's sensitivity to it, there are two many competing interests playing swarmball like a bunch of four-year-olds to make a settlement on who gets what part of the pie. It will remain a slowly melting “international” continent with a bunch of ceremonial lines drawn over it no matter how much the participating countries wish, and yes, that includes the Commonwealth countries.

@70 (“He's the Malvinista equivalent of a 56 year-old pervert pretending to be a 14 year-old Justin Beiber fan.” I don't know what's scarier, that or the fact that there is a 'Clay-mate' variant of the 'Belieber'?)
72 andy65 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:08 am Report abuse
Not sure why any of you Brits want to argue with sons and daughters of Spanish pirates-something they never see themself as.
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM.
73 downunder (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 03:34 am Report abuse
“ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM.”
That pretty well sums up the Argentine governments mindset and it does not apply solely to their approach to the Falkland Islands, it seems that they are fighting a losing battle on almost every cause they choose to get involved with. Having one of their navy's ships impounded in a foreign port due unpaid debts is a national humilition on a massive scale. It' amazing that they are not rioting in the streets of BA. Perhaps the long suffering people of Argentina are just over it.
74 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 07:09 am Report abuse
@69 Nonsense Nozzy

“And besides, you Brits and the rest are all day demanding Argentines do leave Tierra del Fuego, and the mainland.... so the hypocrisy meter just blew off.”

Nozzy, The brits do NOT even remotely think that anyone should leave the mainland.
When they say that, it is to demonstrate how absurd your argument is that Falklanders have no business being on the islands. The Falklanders being there is little different than the Spanish and Europeans settling the mainland.

In fact, we could mention that on the mainland, you “cleared the land” first, meaning you killed off or subdued the indigenous people living there. In the Falklands, there were no indigenous peoples, just a small band of murderers and a few farmers who stayed.
Of course we've been through this before - if YOUR government is asserting that the Falklanders are 'transplants' from Europe, as their pretext to have the Islanders leave, then it is necessary to point out that Argentinians are the same.
75 kelperabout (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
“ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM.”
Now i wonder just why ”72 andy65 (#) ”that you think Argentina is always the victim. Maybe you should stop and think for a brief moment of Argentinas determination to disrupt everything and everyone in her path of greed. Is it no wonder so many people reject you. Nothing but thugs and bully's picking on the weaker of society just like the vultures you are. This will always lead to eventual isolation in any democratic society so basically you could say you brought it on yourselves.
The Falkland Islanders have and are doing so much better because unlike Argentina we go about our business quietly and have always been willing to share with others our successes. Argentina has always rejected these offers because they don't want a slice of the cake they want it all. Just like the naughty school boy if they can't have it all no one else is allowed it throwing tantrums to make their point.
76 lsolde (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:24 pm Report abuse
@70 Per Ardua,
Keep the pressure on “DoD”.lts working!
He was always just too “neutral” to be true.
@61 Malvinero1,
A lot of that sort of thing happened in those days, señor, or should it be signor ltaliano.
Would you like to explain on this forum how the ltalians bombed primitive Eithiopian tribesmen from the air, machine-gunned their grass huts & dropped mustard gas on them in 1936. Men defending their country with spears.
Or how your valiant troops raped Greek women in 1941.
(you were repaid in kind as your captured soldiers were raped by Greek troops)
Oh, you thought that didn't count? ln your book its only the British that are guilty. ls that it? Gross hypocrite!
@57 José Malvinero,
Why is Dick “despicable”?
Because he doesn't agree with your country's ridiculous claims, maybe?
ldiota.
77 Simon68 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
76 lsolde (#)
Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:24 pm

“Keep the pressure on “DoD”.lts working! He was always just too “neutral” to be true. ”

The pressure has already gone too high for DoD, he has more or less admitted to being the alter ego of Think.

What a sad case, the original idea was extremely good, to be a Brit obviously against the Argentine viewpoint, but subtly dividing the Brits from the Falkland Islanders, very good strategy but incompetently carried out!!!!!!!

The campaign against your referendum will only enhance its value before the world, as usual Timerman and Castro are intent on scoring an own goal!!!!
78 andy65 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
@75 kelperabout
You might of mis read my comments I am no lover of Argentina I was just making a point that in what ever dispute Argentina is involved in they always see itself AS THE VICTIM and never THE AGGRESSOR

GOD BLESS THE FALKLAND ISLANDS
79 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
@77 Phew! I thought we'd been sussed until you put up this post. My relationship with Think obviously remains the riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma that it has been since it started. Must admit though, I do like the subtle, neutral, intelligent descriptors in the collective analysis even if it upsets the rear end of the pantomime horse.
80 andy65 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
Is it true that Hitler Kirchner listens to her people so much that she as got sick and tired and is now getting militry aircraft ready to do body drops over the Atlantic
81 kelperabout (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
78 andy65 (#)
Wonderfull tools click and paste especially if you click and paste the wrong section. Sorry for that . Teach me to proof read before sending.
82 andy65 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 12:28 am Report abuse
81 kelperabout, No Probs I nearly had heart failure that you thought I could support such a tyrant,the sooner this woman joins her dead husband Nestor the better.
83 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 03:44 am Report abuse
Anyone else notice that “Aussie Sunshine” troll persona has been re-activated?

He now claims to disagree with the Argies - tells us he makes up his own mind, now.

Let's see where that leads.

LOL
84 Soooooozy (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 04:47 am Report abuse
#76
this old woman residing in the FI needs to move on,,,,el pasado es pisado,,,
miedosa y asquerosa
85 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 08:46 am Report abuse
#82 A strange kind of tyrant - beautiful, elected, and dedicated to human rights!

#83 Aussie_sunshine has always been against Cristina, seems to support the Spanish right so doesn't like Britain because of Gibralter...
86 andy65 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 11:50 am Report abuse
Kirchner beautiful?? are you having a laught how much would you bet if Argentina had an election tomorrow she would be out on her fat ass
87 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 01:59 pm Report abuse
#86 If they had an election tomorrow, and anyone including Cristina could stand, what opposition figure do you seriously think could beat her?
88 andy65 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 01:03 am Report abuse
@87 How about my good friend Jorge Lanata, he's done a great job of pissing SS Hitler Cristina by exposing her and her governmants coruption would you not agree?? just like all the past presidents since the Great British did the wonderful job of defeating those Argentine pigs you called an army. Argentines have done a wondeful job of electing corupt and dishonest people one after the other the botox German bird is no different-she needs to go join her dead husband SOONER THE BETTER.

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