Monday, November 26th 2012 - 21:41 UTC

UK appeals to EU, WTO and IMO over latest Argentine ‘intimidation’ round on the Falklands

The UK is pursuing actions through the European Union, the World Trade Organization and the International Maritime Organization following the latest intimidation incidents from Argentina against the Falkland Islands and which also involve interfering with the free passage of shipping and free trade.

Carnival cruise  AIDAcara

Holland America ship Veendam missed her calls to the Falklands

The incidents refer to a violent raid last week in the heart of Buenos Aires by masked thugs against ship agents who were warned that cruise ships would be prevented from berthing at Buenos Aires, Ushuaia and Puerto Madryn unless the Falklands’ leg was cancelled.

In spite of the damage and terrorizing of shipping agents staff no police were on hand to intervene and no subsequent arrests have followed.

The incident prompted two cruise ships, owned by German and Dutch companies (Carnival vessel AIDAcara and Holland America ship Veendam), to cancel scheduled calls on the Falklands, triggering strong Foreign Office complaints. It also led to diplomats from the Argentine embassy in London being summoned to the Foreign Office to receive an angry protest.

“Part of taking the matter to the EU will be so that the issue can be raised with the World Trade Organization because that’s a matter of EU competence” a Foreign Office spokesperson was quoted.

“Our main concern is that we consider it shameful for a large country like Argentina to strangle a group of islands like the Falklands and that the restriction is what we are trying to raise and have addressed”.

“The EU is responsible for external trade relations and we are not the only country to have had problems with Argentina acting against international norms, Spain has had problems too. So we hope that, with our EU partners, we can make a case to the European Commission that Argentina is in breach of its commitments to the WTO” added the spokesperson.

The Foreign Office said it hoped that the travel companies will push back against Argentine pressure since “we don’t want them to drop the Falkland Islands from their itinerary in cruises to Argentina”.

“We have made clear to the Argentine government that we expect it to ensure free passage of shipping, including cruise ships”, underlined the spokesperson.

Earlier this year, a P&O ship, the Adonia (700 pax), and the Carnival’s Star Princess (2.800 pax) were refused entry to Ushuaia on the southern island of Tierra del Fuego because they had visited the Falklands.

The local government of Tierra del Fuego appealed to a flexible interpretation of the ‘Guacho Rivero’ bill which allegedly bars British or convenience flagged cruise vessels from docking in Ushuaia. Both vessels had called at the Falklands a couple of days before.

At the time Carnival affiliate P&O reported Argentine authorities in Ushuaia said the reason for denying access to the cruise vessels was the fact they had been previously in the Falkland Islands.

The Falklands’ weekly ‘Penguin News’ in its last edition (Friday 23 November) under the heading of “Politics or weather: cancelling cruise ship companies offer mixed messages”, had anticipated that the Islands cruise tourism industry “had been receiving mixed messages from cruise companies” as to why two large vessels cancelled their visits.

The Falkland Islands Company Managing Director Roger Spink confessed to have been informed by Carnival that the AIDAcara would not visit the Islands due to loss of income if the vessel was forced to bypass Stanley due to, “heavy weathers, winds and waves”.

However “Penguin News” also reported that “since the last cruise season when Veendam cancelled a number of visits it had been rumoured locally that the ship’s company was under political pressure from Argentina to cease her trips to the Falklands, and that despite scheduling visits to the Islands for this season there had been no real intention to visit”.
 

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1 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
Oh dear!!!
It's all going wrong from Argentina.

Never mind, I wonder what the football scores are...............?
2 Anbar (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
“ interfering with the free passage of shipping and free trade”

hmmmm

remind me.. isnt Argentina taking some other country to a tribunal about interfering with its shipping...?

I am SO surprised that GuzzTrollDanos isn't here to tell us all about hypocrisy.... shocked I am... shocked...

(it seems their VPN has gone down though, either that or its lunchtime at the office *titter titter*)

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Seriously though: its pretty low tactics and positively colonial for a big country to try to intimidate a tiny island nation by the use of de-facto economic blockades.
3 ElaineB (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
This really does not help the Argentine position at all with regards to the two major ongoing legal disputes. Does anyone in the Argentine government actually think?
4 Outlawcatcher (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
Typical underhanded Argentine behaviour which do their cause no good at all. Their bullying behaviour is a disgrace and at a time when they could do with all the help they can get in the diplomatic/economic world...brainless!
5 surfer (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
dig dig dig
6 Pirate Love (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
Economic terrorism, :))) its all stacking up nicely against argentina, and i have to admit very pleasing to watch argentinas continual demise on a daily basis, not quite sure how this latest criminal act of dictatorship is going to win hearts and minds but each to their own, i guess thats the argentine way.
but argentina remember what goes around comes around!

SELF DETERMINATION! nothing can interfere with that, not even argentina :)
7 Orbit (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
If it wasn't so appalling, it would sound like a Monty Python sketch.

Background: breaking glass, screams.
Terrified staff: What do you want?
Thugs: We want to divert cruise liners !
Terrified staff: Eh? We have money ?
Thugs: We don't want your worthless pesos, we want them big jobby ships to change course!!!
Terrified staff: How about dollars ?
Thugs: Later! For now we want you to tell your fiendish vulture captains to avoid going to the falklands!!!
Background: More screams, hurried conversations about whether they are allowed to take dollars, followed by “Let me call mum”.
Terrified staff: Oh. oh I see, let us get this straight, you are here dressed as Milk Tray men because you want to stop cruise ships docking in the falklands? Isn't that particularly ridiculous ? How do you think this will play out in diplomatic circles?
Thugs: We haven't thought that far ahead yet you colonial imperialists! All we were told was to do something, ANYTHING to distract from the veritable shower of sh*te we are pouring on ourselves.
Staff (holding back laughter): Well of course, in that case, we'll call the captain in the morning. Can we go now?
Thugs: Yes! We strike a blow for sovereignty and detonating nuclear weapons under our own feet. Now, about those dollars...

And now for something completely different...

Sussie: Do you have a copy of hello magazine? I need to catch up on world events.
8 Terence Hill (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
Perhaps is the time to remind Argentina in the blockade of Falklands shipping of the
The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea

Article 24

Duties of the Coastal State

1....the coastal state shall not:

(b) discriminate in form or fact against the ships of any state or against ships carrying cargoes to, or from or on behalf of any state:
9 si, si, si (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:10 am
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10 Pirate Love (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:28 am Report abuse
@9 need an afternoon nap? is that what it is?
you miss your mommy dont you?, ahhhh diddums.
there there go back to sleep.
Ahh bless so cute when their that age....
11 si, si, si (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:33 am
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12 Pirate Love (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:40 am Report abuse
@11 clever boy, you want a banana.....tomorrow we will try potty training again.
13 aussie sunshine (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:40 am Report abuse
what the hell is wrong with these bloody Argentinians!! They do everything wrong and illegally!! let´s put an economic embargo on this thugs.....
14 Pirate Love (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:44 am Report abuse
@13 dont need to they make their own embargo.
havent you heard its the new kirchner model
15 Malvinero1 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 03:51 am Report abuse
Duties of the Coastal State

1....the coastal state shall not:

(b) discriminate in form or fact against the ships of any state or against ships carrying cargoes to, or from or on behalf of any state:
Sure first return the stolen property PIRATES..the brits,talking about law....Scum of the world!
16 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:54 am Report abuse
@8

I'm afraid that does not apply for territories considered under dispute.

I personally don't think there should be any dispute, the Falklanders have made their desires clear. At the same time, I don't think any law “of the sea” you can come up with trumps sovereignty and self-determination.

If it is the self-determination and sovereignty of Argentina to ban x ships from y country, that's the way it is.
17 CJvR (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:12 am Report abuse
LOL! Well at least the KCF mafia haven't started putting horse heads in peoples beds - yet...! Thats for the next episode of Donna Christina - the Godmother.
18 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:17 am Report abuse
@13 ARGIE Sunshine

You're back, you fake Aussie!!
19 Frank (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:03 am Report abuse
So you buy a ticket on a boat.... cos it goes to the Falklands....
Then they say it isn't going to the Falklands....
So you cancel your cruise.
Bad bad bad move by the weak as piss and half as salty cruise ship companies......
20 Captain Fantastic (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:56 am Report abuse
So shameful, & ever so typically argentine. Like kidnapping school children & students. Soft targets are a speciality. And easier to bully. The shipping agents are so lucky that argentina is probably out of jet fuel and the C130's have been repossessed or unable to be started up, otherwise it may have meant a one way trip off the coast. The word “thug” was used? Shades of Major Patricio Dowling here.
21 Terence Hill (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 08:25 am Report abuse
15 Malvinero1 there are no pre-conditions to The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
There was no stolen property, everything the UK did in 1833 was perfectly legal and justified.
The only PIRATES ever on the islands were Argentine agents Jewett and Vernet.
22 Anbar (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:24 am Report abuse
..and Jewett was, literally, a pirate.

which is rather ironic.
23 emerald (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:38 am Report abuse
Full comments from London publishing Mercopress employees.
24 Pirate Love (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:49 am Report abuse
@15 Hard proof that UK stole anything from argentina, im sure you can prove that.
25 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:15 am Report abuse
The Argentine government walks all over its own citizens...so this is nothing new in their idiotic strategy...
26 Steve-32-uk (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:54 am Report abuse
Even if cruise companies drop the Falklands from their S American cruises. What will Argentina actually gain from it?
The world perception of Argentina would be even lower - Masked hooliganism smashing up businesses! Would anyone really want to visit this country? Also the FI is arguably the most desired destination of the SA cruise, if it is dropped from the tour, there would be lower passenger numbers for all the tourist destinations. But the impact on the FI would be low, they would still have a much higher GDP than Argentina and that's before the oil starts flowing...
Ultimately would this state sponsored hooliganism bring Argentina any closer, to achieving their colonial ambitions of capturing the FI?
27 gustbury (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 12:57 pm Report abuse
INTIMIDATION? hahahahahah ..look who's speaking!!!Pirates thieves!!
28 Idlehands (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
27 gustbury

Are you feeling intimidated by the UK Mr G ?
29 gustbury (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
yes, from 1806!!!!
30 LEPRecon (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
@29 - gustbury

But Argentina DIDN'T exist in 1806! LOL

The Republic of Argentina DIDN'T exist UNTIL 1853.

In 1833 the British had to kick out some illegal squatters/mrderers/rapists for the United Provinces of the River Plate, who had murdered their own commanding officer and raped his wife.

In the meantime, in 2012, Argentina act as pirates, bullys - well basically NAZI's. After all, Nazism, is the political model that your wonderful President uses and idolises, isn't it?
31 Terence Hill (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
16 Nostrolldamus The 2nd please show where, under UN law. The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea does not apply, for territories considered under dispute. UK sovereignty is now definitely established, while Argentina could not even get her claim inside the the door of the ICJ. Self-determination is a UN right, the islanders already have.

27 gustbury 'Pirates thieves' . Empty words. because its impossible for you to prove either. But, thats right on a par with your government.
32 Conqueror (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
@13 I do wish you'd make up your mind. For. Against. For. Against. Are you a syndicate? Or schitzophrenic?
@15 Why don't you sail (sorry, was that a poor choice of word?) over there. You too could have ships all around the world. Detained. Unable to move. I'll bet the judiciary of the Falkland Islands would just LOVE a nice meaty case to sink its teeth into!
@16 Really? I didn't realise argieland was under dispute. Thanks for telling us. One small point. Could you post a link to your legal advice please?
@27 So tell us. Who is it that is involved in 65 WTO disputes? Who has about three weeks before being expelled by the IMF? Who has major court cases ongoing in Ghana, South Africa and the USA? Who will soon be kicked out of the G20?
@29 Diddums. We'll be back. No, sorry, I meant to say “Still there!” Can you still see the Falklands flag flying? I suppose the flag flying over South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands is too far away. How about the flag flying over the British Antarctic Territory? Do you feel “surrounded”?
33 Idlehands (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
29 gustbury

You shouldn't feel intimidated - we'd pat you on the head and give you a cuddle if you were really fwightened of us.
34 Musky (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
*gustbury
Hang your head in shame at the violent groups given free range and a 'get out of jail' card in your topsy-turvy country. Your dream of the malvinas is a nightmare that you all see with your waking eyes, yet you are blind to the truth that kircher and her predecessors have led you on a merry dance whilst failing you in every respect behind your back. It really is sad that you guys chant your mantras mindlessly, clinging on to this Gaucho Riveras garbage. You'll be saying he was Argentina's patron saint rather than a cold blooded murderer of ordinary citizens on a tiny bunch of islands.
35 agent999 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
@35
hi sussie wong
36 M_of_FI (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
This epitomises Argentina and their attitude towards the Falklands. Argentine diplomats travel the globe preaching their moral right to islands and the injustice of the whole situation. If Argentina was so morally correct and a campaigner of human rights, why do such actions mentioned in the article occur and for those who carried it out receive no punishment. It is because Argentina is not the great and powerful country it and its citizens like to proclaim.

To any Argentines reading this article that are proud of the violent actions carried out by these thugs, hang your big-heads in shame. It is actions like these, which are accepted by your backward nation, is why we Islanders want nothing to do with you.

If you want every country in the world to think of you as highly as you think of yourselves, it is actions like these that need to be eliminated or severely punished. Shameful from a country that proclaims itself highly moral. There is no justification for actions like these. But I am sure being Argentines you can justify anything you want and convince yourselves that you are morally right.
37 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
Strange how the Argies claim not to be Spanish, yet go on about 1806/7 when they were, in a very real sense, actually Spanish.
38 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
@31

Ok, lets assume there is no dispute about the Falklands.

Argentina is still under no obligation to allow British ships in its ports, with the exception of imminent distress.

The Law of the Sea does not:

a) prevent a nation from exercising sovereignty over who is allowed in its borders or not at any land, air, or water point of entry, and ports are official points of entry. If any ship for any reason has the right to dock, then you are dispensing with the notion of nationhood and recognized borders. I think you'll have a hard time in court with thatone.

b) prevent nations from engaging in the SELF-DETERMINATION of using economic or political pressure as a tool of governance. One of the tools in such arsenal are economic restrictions, or political restrictions. If the law of the sea bans these, then the concept of SANCTIONS becomes illegal. The EU/US sanctions against Iran, North Korea, and Cuba, are thus llegal and you are in the hook for tens of billions, perhaps hundreds of billions, for hampering for decades the rights of those nations, since sanctions are made illegal by the overarching law of the sea you guys claim has so much power.
39 Captain Fantastic (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
There never has been any doubts about the morality, justice and merits of the Liberation of the Falkland Islands from the illegal invasion by argentina, but recent events reinforce it again.The whole world is witnessing argentina melting down, a country that is run by a nazi elite, supported, often loudly, by a bullying, brown-shirted, uni-browed Neanderthal populace. Argentines appear not to understand how bad their so-called country appears to rational civilised people around the whole world.
40 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:23 pm Report abuse
@39

Actually, we don't CARE how we appear to the rest of the world.
41 elaineburra (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:25 pm
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42 Simon68 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:29 pm Report abuse
40 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:23 pm

Speak for yourself, Tobias, some of us feel totally humilliated by our ridiculous so called “government”!!!!!!!!
43 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:36 pm Report abuse
@42

What's the humilliation exactly?

What is it about the northern countries that makes them so much more moral, and shrouded in a nimbus, to feel humiliated in front of them?

1. Are they forever peaceful?
2. Have they never initiated a war of agression?
3. Do they have no poverty at all?
4. Do they have wonderful growing economies?
5. Have they never fallen into economic disaster?
6. Have they never defaulted?
7. Have they never oppressed their citizens?
8. Have their governments always listened to the people when they protest?
9. Do they never engage in subsidies, bailouts, and tariff barriers?
10. Are they crime and corruption free?

Tell me, I'm waiting to hear what's so wonderful about them.
44 txiki (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
@42

Government? - more like a dictatorship every day when you have a queen who doesn't want to listen to anyone who says things she doesn't want to hear, which is why she is surrounded by sycophants.
45 Simon68 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
43 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:36 pm

Just for starters:

1) ARA Libertad embargoed in Ghana
2) YPF unable to get funding for the 3rd. largest shale o & g field in the world
3) ARA Espora stranded in South Africa for want of spares due to no funds

If you want more I can go on almost indefinitely!!!!!!!
46 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
@45

Well I guess those do beat starting an illegal war of agression, playing the wrong anthem of a politically sensitive nation at the OLYMPICS, having your command center during the games flooded from a cloaca, invading the wrong nation with your amphibious forces...

To each their own priorities I guess.
47 Brit Bob (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
Dear Botox Queen, Tin Man and Co Co the Clown, 'Where have all of the tourists gone?'
48 Conqueror (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:56 pm Report abuse
@38 Sorry? So far you have excluded Bermudan, German and Dutch vessels.
@40 That's good. You don't care. Neither do WE. Watch the skies!
@43 And who thinks that
1. They are always right;
2. It's OK to attack defenceless territories;
3. It's OK to occupy defenceless territories;
4. It's OK to commit war crimes;
5. It's OK to commit genocide;
6. It's OK to borrow money that can't be repaid;
7. It's OK to issue fraudulent bonds;
8. It's OK to refuse to repay debtors;
9. It's OK to refuse to comply with the reasonable request of port authorities;
10. It's OK to offer armed resistance to port authorities.

Shall we go on?
@46 Oh, I agree. The why have you started an illegal war of aggression? Economic war is still a war. And equally a breach of the UN Charter. What a shame for you that we beat your ass in the Falklands. Stopped you attacking Chile, didn't it? Who was it going to be after that? Uruguay? But then you are tiny, insignificant, unsuccessful, faggoty nazi wannabes, aren't you? No balls, no courage, no guts. More than 11,000 prisoners taken by a single battalion in '82. You are nothing, youi have nothing except a big mouth. Shut it. Before we shut it for you. Make no mistake. I have no interest in the survival of a single argie. Proper, sensible, intelligent, responsible Argentines are different. Don't get your hopes up. You aren't one of them. You are just a, temporarily, walking corpse.
49 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
“You aren't one of them. You are just a, temporarily, walking corpse.”

I think that's what the Chinese said about the British, Portuguese, French, Spanish, Dutch, and all other Europeans when they built their carrier and the other day when they began landing and taking off aircraft from it.

Now they have the means to give you a what's coming for the last 200 years of meddling and nibbling in their territories.
50 briton (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
Said it once, and will keep on saying it,
CFK will do what SHE wants to do, when she wants, where she wants, and to whom she wants ,
Until some one stops her,

Just what have we been reduced to, a third world begging nation reduced to begging the EU, UN WTO, blab la bla,
What the fxck has happened to us,
If the price of peace, is humiliation then fxck peace.
Just my opinion.
51 XAVIERV (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
Self-determination is priced gentlemen, want to continue down this path, then we will continue with our own. After his referendum forget flying to Chile and the families of the fallen are going to forget those islands. Then follows the other, playing Argentine sea boat can not make port in the islands and ship to make port in the islands can not touch Argentine waters. They want to get out of his hole and then turn his head to look at africa .. Juajuajua!
52 Yuleno (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
LEP
In what way is Argentina like nazi
Can you explain yourself.And take your time.
53 Terence Hill (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
38 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

Your assertion of simply exercising sovereignty is just sophistry the Convention clearly states:

1....the coastal state shall not:

(b) discriminate in form or fact against the ships of any state or against ships carrying cargoes to, or from or on behalf of any state:

Further, underscored by ”b) prevent nations from engaging in the SELF-DETERMINATION of using economic or political pressure as a tool of governance.”

This is purely an unilateral illegal act by Argentina. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said UK is not violating relevant UN resolutions referred to the Falklands’ and more specifically on colonialism, he argued that a prevailing impression is that “people living under certain conditions should have a certain level of capacities so that they can decide their own future”, be it independence or some kind of government in their territories.

If Argentina had a case she could use proper legal methods such as submitting her claim to an appropriate legal tribunal. The only reason she doesn't is because she doesn't have a sufficiency in law to succeed.
54 THEMan (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
@49 Tobias Considering they only have one aircraft carrier, and it can't be used in warfare as it's incapable of doing so. Plus it's over 30 years old and scrap metal compared to the ones we're building right now. China will never be a military threat with the current path they're on right now. Poor equipment, poor training= f**ked against us.

Oh and I'm pretty sure we could destroy them through economic means.
55 HansNiesund (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
@49 The Sage of Mendoza

I think you'll find if you enquire that the Chinese are more interested in sound economic management than foaming at the mouth over the slights of the past. That's more of an Argentine pastime.
56 ProRG_American (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Good News!!
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/117937/falkland-oil-and-gas-loses-half-its-value-on-malvinas-disappointing-results

What Next?
Judge Greisas Ruling overturned by appeal?
ARA Libertad is freed from captivity?
Grain Prices Soar?
New Major oil discovery in patagonia?
World Bank says Argentina rduced its poverty by 50%?
World Bank says Argentine middle class the fastest growing in the region?
Argentina pays it's cooperative bond holders on time?
Cristina's chances for reelection suddenly skyrocket?

HOOOoooooo! Shrugging shoulders......It gives me chiiiils all over my body.
57 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
I don't need to be reminded that the Europeans/Americans share the hamartia of extreme omphaloskepsis. Tune out the viewpoints of the rest of the world if you wish. Your struthious ways may have served you last century, but in this one, you may find that this strategy will balefuly redound to your undoing.
58 HansNiesund (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
@57 The Sage of Mendoza

One of the more amusing aspects of your delusion is the belief that the rest of the world shares it. That's quite a stretch for a self-confessed xenophobe such as yourself.
59 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
They do share it; however, they are simply to craven to state it in a forceful manner. Argentina has no such qualms, and does not demur when the zephyr of truth must be allowed to blow through the stale halls of the northern cabal's “worldview”.

i am not a xenophobe, however, I am sedulously leery of outsiders. It keeps me strong, healthy, and intact.
60 HansNiesund (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
@59 The Sage of Mendoza

It keeps you prejudiced, blinkered, and comic.
61 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
Yes yes yes, when all else fails in debate, resort to the Ucalegon tactic.

But sadly, the Ucalegon is you: Europe and North America.
62 HansNiesund (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
@61

And the Achaeans in this case? That would be who?
63 THEMan (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
@61 Wow again showing your ability to use a thesaurus. However s thesaurus won't save you from the fact that you will never understand the English language.
And you don't speak for the rest of the world. And until that day comes, you're idiotic for even thinking it. You don't even speak for your own people.
64 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
So Britain is now appealing to the world, but the world is already with Cristina...
65 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
@62

They would be your new masters since circa 2008... the ones that call you the people of Europe and North America “muppets”, “plebs”, and “rip the faces off”.

@63

Why don't you retreat from your pusillanimous citadel and perform a sally... tell me, what is it that I do not comprehend about the English language?
66 HansNiesund (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
@65
Oh yeah, them. I'd have thought with your vast historical perspective you'd have realised they've been around since long before 2008.
67 aussie sunshine (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
*18 I Never Left!! haha

*32 I just don´t like this kind off thinking from the Argies!!
I like fair play...right now The Falkland islanders are winning every
round,,,
68 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
@67 ARGie Sunshine

“*18 I Never Left!! haha

*32 I just don´t like this kind off thinking from the Argies!!
I like fair play...right now The Falkland islanders are winning every
round,,,”

It's OK, gang!!!
Aussie is really one of us now, a true Aussie. and an independent thinker.

NOT
69 aussie sunshine (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
*68 I don´t belong to any group or gangss!! I´m a lone wolf!! I am a free thinker!
Right now I totally disagree with the Argies in what they are doing with the cruise ships.....it is stupid!! Very stupid!!
70 THEMan (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:01 am Report abuse
@65 Well you fail to understand that what you are using isn't the actual English that us citizens, use in any kind of conversation. Not even politicians use that grammar in speeches. The purpose of such grammar is entirely for literacy purposes, nothing more.
71 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:19 am Report abuse
@70

I utilize the same vocabulary in Spanish. I have an English vocabulary of 43.000 words estimated, and 37.000 in Spanish. Average is 18.000 and 17.000
72 KFC de Pollo (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:07 am Report abuse
@64 The world would like shot of the crazy nutcase in the pink house.
73 hans (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:33 am Report abuse
# 72 Isolde shut up
74 Rob the argentine (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:42 am Report abuse
Well, it's really funny to see how some bloggers appears again and again under different names. What is really sad for me, as argentine, is all of them are my fellows countrymen. Please, argentines, stop your ridiculousness. It embarras all of us!!
75 hans (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:54 am Report abuse
#74 Rob Nobody
here Isolde using another screen name
lol
76 rob the argie (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 02:12 am Report abuse
is sad to see the UK team posting funny comments under so many screen names
77 Rob the argentine (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 04:49 am Report abuse
# 75 hans, let me tell you I'm not Isolde. I am argentine, living in argentina, posting here no so often but from long time ago. Also, some months ago, I give away my phone number to show I am living in argentina. Anyone following the posts can see I always show my real identity. The one I don't know is the new profile “rob the argie”, maybe is Isolde or Sussie.
Anyway, I invite anyone to contact me at +54(370)439-2420.
78 KFC de Pollo (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 05:27 am Report abuse
who the f*ck is Isolde ?

anyway the world would like cristina gone, the neighbouring countries would love it if she just went as she has made a mockery of mercosur
79 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 05:33 am Report abuse
Ignore rob hes a troll and has been reported as one.
80 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 06:40 am Report abuse
@77,78

The real “isolde” is a devout Troll-Killer.

“hans” and “rob the ARGIE” are sussie - a pederast from BA
81 DanyBerger (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 10:31 am Report abuse
@Rob the argentine

Still living in LA?

Have you paid all your debt there? A neighbour from San Pedro Street seem is looking for you mate and with a big bill.

Be carefully you never know when someone can embargoes you.
82 lsolde (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:37 pm Report abuse
Thank you, Troy.
l have been away, but l see that most of the RGs haven't got any smarter.
Except for Simon68 & a few others like Rob & l'm surprised that they haven't been paid a visit by the SS, I mean the Argentine Secret Service.
l can assure you hans that l only use one id. l do have another which l never use, that is merely for emergencies.
l know that silly sussie tried to use my id, but that is now blocked.
Believe it or not, its the truth.♥
83 gustbury (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
hahahahaha you steal and usurp us! and complain because we do not help? lol.The British: kings of cynicism
84 briton (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
The British: kings of cynicism
will always out do
The Argentine: Queen of cynicism..
85 redpoll (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
To return to the topic of the article.If I were a tour operator I would be rather worried about my passengers being attacked by masked thugs in RA so I think I would give it a miss.. In spite of the so called “solidarity” Brazil, Uruguay and Chile would welcome the tourists with open arms
86 Agustin Tomas O'brien Caceres (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
Argentina should be owned by ITALY. 50% of our people is Italian, which means 20,000,000 votes in favor of an Italian country as per the Italian Constitution that recognize us as Italian people. The same way in South Brazil, and Uruguay. The referendum will be easy and then the European Union would have direct access to our South American properties, and lands, which could comprise probably 40% of the South American territory. When we travel the world, people take us as Italian or USA Americans. What is the problem on making it real?

For facts and figures, read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Argentine
87 Anbar (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
how come Mercopress doesnt cover things like this?:

www.aljazeera.com/video/americas/2012/11/20121128152444376725.html

www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/07/201275214557954865.html

www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestoryamericas/2012/07/201277102924893557.html

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“”“” What is the problem on making it real?“”“”

common sense?
88 Agustin Tomas O'brien Caceres (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
Dear 87 Anbar, please, first use a real name before adding comments in public... This is sensationalism and whatever the Army committed crimes or not, they are still OFFICIAL ARMY and they deserve respect and comprehension instead of being treated as criminals. How about all the crimes committed by the guerrilleros-terrorists? Where are the videos about Che Guevara crimes in the Cuban dictatorship? How many people has he killed? I am not defending the Military the same way I am not defending the Terrorists, but I can tell that if you want to do justice you find legal and civilized ways of making it happen and not only doing terrorism or coward attacks like those guerrileros did all over Latin America. Why the military had this reaction? What happened first? At the same time, you know that Argentinians are violent people, the same way as British, Italians, and Germans are. So when we fight, we really do fight. And that is even what is happening now with the Montonera Guerrillera Cristina Kirchner declaring one new war against UK for the Falklands Islands. She is more dangerous than the Military of the 70's!
89 ProRG_American (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
“Libertad cannot be embargoed”, says IMO in London.

www.telam.com.ar/nota/45400/
90 THEMan (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
@72 Considering that the average person knows maybe 10,000 words and those educated at university maybe perhaps 20,000 words. I don't think you've even stepped foot inside a university, and the fact that you claim to know more English words than your native Spanish is ridiculous, Plus I doubt you're more educated than someone who spent 6 years earning a doctorate. And you're still using a thesaurus. Funny
91 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
@90

10.000 lemmas are not the same as words. A word can be “rose”, “rosy”, and “rose” (as a noun).

20.000 lemmas is what is considered expected for college graduate.

And yes I know more words in English because I focused on vocabulary with the English language. In Spanish I focused on tenses and mechanics of proper grammar.

I can use almost 40 Spanish tenses in their correct usage. Contrast in Germanic languages where most people only use 5 or 6 tenses.
92 redpoll (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
Och @90 Leave the wee gommeril alone. He is just suffering from verbal diaorhea
93 hans heinz (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 03:42 am
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94 Soooooozy (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 04:40 am
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95 DanyBerger (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 05:25 am Report abuse
@Agustin Tomas O'brien Caceres

If you don’t want to be shown as a criminal what about to don’t act as one?

That will help a lot don’t you think so Agustin?
96 Martin Woodhead (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 07:16 am Report abuse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Astiz
Murder and rape as well as a pathetic attempt to kill british soldiers after surrender .
Shooting a 17 year old girl leaving her paralysed by mistake solving that problem by having her thrown from an aeroplane into the atlantic.
#88 I suppose you respect the ww2 ss at least they actually won a few battles which you cant say for the argentine military who preferred rape and torture against nuns.
Whose crime was to complain about people disappearing.
97 JohnN (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
South Georgia is part of the South Atlantic cruise tourism region and so good to keep SG and SSI not so far from public perception. South Georgia News, October edition, now posted on South Georgia website: www.sgisland.gs/index.php/Main_Page
98 shb (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
@49

What Garbage - the Chinese carrier is nowhere near operational and china is too bust picking territoitorial squabbles with virtually all of it's neighnours to consider attacking the west, their main source of income from exports..............
99 Fatso (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 07:20 pm
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100 pippa (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 07:51 pm
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101 lsolde (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
@99 Fatso,
1) We have nothing to cry about, you do though!
ln fact most people are happy, what about you?
2) We are not idiots, but you appear to be one.
All you malvinistas are idiots!
@100 pippa,
You like it?
102 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 11:43 pm Report abuse
@100pippa

is

“Sussie Middleton” I would say.
103 Agustin Tomas O'brien Caceres (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
@Dany Berger: Thank you for your advice but what is considered 'criminal' and 'sane' in the world today is very confusing as you know we just entered a new Dark Ages moment in History. I bought few weeks ago the Atkins book about our society decline and yes, it is what it is. It is not only the super power of criminal minds and former prisoners such as Cristina, Lula, Dilma, Chavez, but also the entire society is corrupted. I am 36 years old, I do can tell you that most of the new generation, who grew up in criminality and urban war, do believe that to steal, lie, corrupt, and do prostitution is 'kind of cool'. And things will get even worse in 10-20 years, when most of people who are over 50 years old today will be dead... Sad but true and there is not much we can do. Demographics is mother nature. God may want the human kind to be back to a savage and primitive way of life. In 200 years, we will be all living in caves again and things like 'computers and cars' will be unknown objects since there will be no fuel, no electricity... Car crates will be used for shelter against rain, and computers as stones to build shelters or as guns when our descendants will fight for food and water. Things are much worse than expected. See the quick deterioration of Argentina and South Africa. From civilization to Fourth World in only 40 years. This is just a prediction of what will happen to the entire civilized world in the next 100 years. Since USA, Europe, and Australia are giants, the deterioration goes slow but you can clearly see the fast demographic change in the American society where I am staying longer this year. Due to HIV, civilization fashion victims lifestyle, psychiatrist pills, car-supermarket-wi-fi-lifestyle-and-lonely-way-of-life, and all that our civilization is lost. Now, as Euro-descendants minorities use to say in Brazil now that we are condemned to the powerful Lula Hispanic and Black enslavement: “vamos curtir a deprê e melhor rir do que chorar.”
104 Musky (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
@83 Gustbury
I suppose you're standing in a heroic pose when you say these things. I suppose you've found a spot of moral high ground upon which to stand and I suspose all look up to you for your fantastic statements. I'd have to be on drugs too to think that your comments warrant any merit. Your government has you suckered up good and proper, move over Joseph Goebbels and Make way for CFK. What a dream team!
105 DanyBerger (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:42 am Report abuse
@Agustin Tomas O'brien Caceres

1-“Criminal” Someone that commit a crime or does something against the establish law.

2-“Sane” someone that apparently is mentally healthy but is not excepted to be a criminal.

3- Are you talking of “Man and Society in Calamity” from 1942 wrote by Sorokin perhaps?
And adapted and republished by this idiot “Grandpappy or Robert Wayne Atkins”?
www.grandpappy.info/index.htm
That book is 70 years old and was wrote by a Russian that was expulsed from Russia.
And a pretty good tool to indoctrinate dogmatic Christians with empties heads that believe in ferry tales.

4-“I am 36 years old...”

This is a complete lie the majority of the young people have projects, go to school universities, run a business, etc. You talk like and bitter angry old man that feels being excluded from the society by the youngsters.

How many young people do you know to affirm that?

Your “cliche” comes from the media and literature you are consuming like the book you are reading now.

The society had changed and media and globalisation have empower the young generation to include them in the consumerism order like women in the last decades. You can like it or not but is the way its.

What next? Are you going to say that all women are also prostitutes because they earn more than you?


5- Now Father O'brien lets talk about real corruption like in the religion and the church where is full of paedophiles with good friends in the Italian mafia, corrupt politicians and centre of power.

I didn’t hear a word about that father?

That yes is pretty scary, I guess we have to do something with them. What do you think about a real job doing something useful?

@Musky

If Joseph Goebbels would be alive sure he will give you the “Goebbels propaganda Award 2012” for you good job.

BTW how much got pay a UK team propaganda member on these days?
106 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 02:21 am Report abuse
#103 The decline of South Africa over the last 40 years you say...racist scumbag, I say!
107 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 02:02 am Report abuse
“105 Dunny Burgers

”That yes is pretty scary, What do you think about a real job doing something useful? “

We would ask you the same thing!

@dany again

”BTW how much got pay a UK team propaganda member on these days?”

Ha ha! We are not like you.
Each non-Kirchnerite poster (excepting TTT) is an individual and free thinker.
They have only one message in common, “ leave the Falklands alone!”

Don't flatter yourselves that anyone really takes much notice of you except when your tantrums get very shrill. Certainly, we are not like La Campora - no governments or organisations would consider there to be any value in financing anti-CFK paid propagandists. No interest and no point in it. Sooner or later, non-Argentinians see through the tantrums, lies, and performances. Argentina shows her true colours.

How's Christmas shaping up? Got any plans?

Are you going to send some Xmas Spam to the crew of the Libertad for their holiday dinner? Marks & Sparks makes a lovely Christmas pudding. Oops, no, you would need to import that with $$ or £.

Better do your Christmas shopping early, you know the Peso is only going to be worth less, the closer to Christmas you get. :-)

I wonder what CFK is wishing for, this year???

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