UK appeals to EU, WTO and IMO over latest Argentine ‘intimidation’ round on the Falklands
The UK is pursuing actions through the European Union, the World Trade Organization and the International Maritime Organization following the latest intimidation incidents from Argentina against the Falkland Islands and which also involve interfering with the free passage of shipping and free trade.
The incidents refer to a violent raid last week in the heart of Buenos Aires by masked thugs against ship agents who were warned that cruise ships would be prevented from berthing at Buenos Aires, Ushuaia and Puerto Madryn unless the Falklands’ leg was cancelled.
In spite of the damage and terrorizing of shipping agents staff no police were on hand to intervene and no subsequent arrests have followed.
The incident prompted two cruise ships, owned by German and Dutch companies (Carnival vessel AIDAcara and Holland America ship Veendam), to cancel scheduled calls on the Falklands, triggering strong Foreign Office complaints. It also led to diplomats from the Argentine embassy in London being summoned to the Foreign Office to receive an angry protest.
“Part of taking the matter to the EU will be so that the issue can be raised with the World Trade Organization because that’s a matter of EU competence” a Foreign Office spokesperson was quoted.
“Our main concern is that we consider it shameful for a large country like Argentina to strangle a group of islands like the Falklands and that the restriction is what we are trying to raise and have addressed”.
“The EU is responsible for external trade relations and we are not the only country to have had problems with Argentina acting against international norms, Spain has had problems too. So we hope that, with our EU partners, we can make a case to the European Commission that Argentina is in breach of its commitments to the WTO” added the spokesperson.
The Foreign Office said it hoped that the travel companies will push back against Argentine pressure since “we don’t want them to drop the Falkland Islands from their itinerary in cruises to Argentina”.
“We have made clear to the Argentine government that we expect it to ensure free passage of shipping, including cruise ships”, underlined the spokesperson.
Earlier this year, a P&O ship, the Adonia (700 pax), and the Carnival’s Star Princess (2.800 pax) were refused entry to Ushuaia on the southern island of Tierra del Fuego because they had visited the Falklands.
The local government of Tierra del Fuego appealed to a flexible interpretation of the ‘Guacho Rivero’ bill which allegedly bars British or convenience flagged cruise vessels from docking in Ushuaia. Both vessels had called at the Falklands a couple of days before.
At the time Carnival affiliate P&O reported Argentine authorities in Ushuaia said the reason for denying access to the cruise vessels was the fact they had been previously in the Falkland Islands.
The Falklands’ weekly ‘Penguin News’ in its last edition (Friday 23 November) under the heading of “Politics or weather: cancelling cruise ship companies offer mixed messages”, had anticipated that the Islands cruise tourism industry “had been receiving mixed messages from cruise companies” as to why two large vessels cancelled their visits.
The Falkland Islands Company Managing Director Roger Spink confessed to have been informed by Carnival that the AIDAcara would not visit the Islands due to loss of income if the vessel was forced to bypass Stanley due to, “heavy weathers, winds and waves”.
However “Penguin News” also reported that “since the last cruise season when Veendam cancelled a number of visits it had been rumoured locally that the ship’s company was under political pressure from Argentina to cease her trips to the Falklands, and that despite scheduling visits to the Islands for this season there had been no real intention to visit”.
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It's all going wrong from Argentina.
Never mind, I wonder what the football scores are...............?
hmmmm
remind me.. isnt Argentina taking some other country to a tribunal about interfering with its shipping...?
I am SO surprised that GuzzTrollDanos isn't here to tell us all about hypocrisy.... shocked I am... shocked...
(it seems their VPN has gone down though, either that or its lunchtime at the office *titter titter*)
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Seriously though: its pretty low tactics and positively colonial for a big country to try to intimidate a tiny island nation by the use of de-facto economic blockades.
but argentina remember what goes around comes around!
SELF DETERMINATION! nothing can interfere with that, not even argentina :)
Background: breaking glass, screams.
Terrified staff: What do you want?
Thugs: We want to divert cruise liners !
Terrified staff: Eh? We have money ?
Thugs: We don't want your worthless pesos, we want them big jobby ships to change course!!!
Terrified staff: How about dollars ?
Thugs: Later! For now we want you to tell your fiendish vulture captains to avoid going to the falklands!!!
Background: More screams, hurried conversations about whether they are allowed to take dollars, followed by “Let me call mum”.
Terrified staff: Oh. oh I see, let us get this straight, you are here dressed as Milk Tray men because you want to stop cruise ships docking in the falklands? Isn't that particularly ridiculous ? How do you think this will play out in diplomatic circles?
Thugs: We haven't thought that far ahead yet you colonial imperialists! All we were told was to do something, ANYTHING to distract from the veritable shower of sh*te we are pouring on ourselves.
Staff (holding back laughter): Well of course, in that case, we'll call the captain in the morning. Can we go now?
Thugs: Yes! We strike a blow for sovereignty and detonating nuclear weapons under our own feet. Now, about those dollars...
And now for something completely different...
Sussie: Do you have a copy of hello magazine? I need to catch up on world events.
The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
Article 24
Duties of the Coastal State
1....the coastal state shall not:
(b) discriminate in form or fact against the ships of any state or against ships carrying cargoes to, or from or on behalf of any state:
you miss your mommy dont you?, ahhhh diddums.
there there go back to sleep.
Ahh bless so cute when their that age....
havent you heard its the new kirchner model
1....the coastal state shall not:
(b) discriminate in form or fact against the ships of any state or against ships carrying cargoes to, or from or on behalf of any state:
Sure first return the stolen property PIRATES..the brits,talking about law....Scum of the world!
I'm afraid that does not apply for territories considered under dispute.
I personally don't think there should be any dispute, the Falklanders have made their desires clear. At the same time, I don't think any law “of the sea” you can come up with trumps sovereignty and self-determination.
If it is the self-determination and sovereignty of Argentina to ban x ships from y country, that's the way it is.
You're back, you fake Aussie!!
Then they say it isn't going to the Falklands....
So you cancel your cruise.
Bad bad bad move by the weak as piss and half as salty cruise ship companies......
There was no stolen property, everything the UK did in 1833 was perfectly legal and justified.
The only PIRATES ever on the islands were Argentine agents Jewett and Vernet.
which is rather ironic.
The world perception of Argentina would be even lower - Masked hooliganism smashing up businesses! Would anyone really want to visit this country? Also the FI is arguably the most desired destination of the SA cruise, if it is dropped from the tour, there would be lower passenger numbers for all the tourist destinations. But the impact on the FI would be low, they would still have a much higher GDP than Argentina and that's before the oil starts flowing...
Ultimately would this state sponsored hooliganism bring Argentina any closer, to achieving their colonial ambitions of capturing the FI?
Are you feeling intimidated by the UK Mr G ?
But Argentina DIDN'T exist in 1806! LOL
The Republic of Argentina DIDN'T exist UNTIL 1853.
In 1833 the British had to kick out some illegal squatters/mrderers/rapists for the United Provinces of the River Plate, who had murdered their own commanding officer and raped his wife.
In the meantime, in 2012, Argentina act as pirates, bullys - well basically NAZI's. After all, Nazism, is the political model that your wonderful President uses and idolises, isn't it?
27 gustbury 'Pirates thieves' . Empty words. because its impossible for you to prove either. But, thats right on a par with your government.
@15 Why don't you sail (sorry, was that a poor choice of word?) over there. You too could have ships all around the world. Detained. Unable to move. I'll bet the judiciary of the Falkland Islands would just LOVE a nice meaty case to sink its teeth into!
@16 Really? I didn't realise argieland was under dispute. Thanks for telling us. One small point. Could you post a link to your legal advice please?
@27 So tell us. Who is it that is involved in 65 WTO disputes? Who has about three weeks before being expelled by the IMF? Who has major court cases ongoing in Ghana, South Africa and the USA? Who will soon be kicked out of the G20?
@29 Diddums. We'll be back. No, sorry, I meant to say “Still there!” Can you still see the Falklands flag flying? I suppose the flag flying over South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands is too far away. How about the flag flying over the British Antarctic Territory? Do you feel “surrounded”?
You shouldn't feel intimidated - we'd pat you on the head and give you a cuddle if you were really fwightened of us.
Hang your head in shame at the violent groups given free range and a 'get out of jail' card in your topsy-turvy country. Your dream of the malvinas is a nightmare that you all see with your waking eyes, yet you are blind to the truth that kircher and her predecessors have led you on a merry dance whilst failing you in every respect behind your back. It really is sad that you guys chant your mantras mindlessly, clinging on to this Gaucho Riveras garbage. You'll be saying he was Argentina's patron saint rather than a cold blooded murderer of ordinary citizens on a tiny bunch of islands.
hi sussie wong
To any Argentines reading this article that are proud of the violent actions carried out by these thugs, hang your big-heads in shame. It is actions like these, which are accepted by your backward nation, is why we Islanders want nothing to do with you.
If you want every country in the world to think of you as highly as you think of yourselves, it is actions like these that need to be eliminated or severely punished. Shameful from a country that proclaims itself highly moral. There is no justification for actions like these. But I am sure being Argentines you can justify anything you want and convince yourselves that you are morally right.
Ok, lets assume there is no dispute about the Falklands.
Argentina is still under no obligation to allow British ships in its ports, with the exception of imminent distress.
The Law of the Sea does not:
a) prevent a nation from exercising sovereignty over who is allowed in its borders or not at any land, air, or water point of entry, and ports are official points of entry. If any ship for any reason has the right to dock, then you are dispensing with the notion of nationhood and recognized borders. I think you'll have a hard time in court with thatone.
b) prevent nations from engaging in the SELF-DETERMINATION of using economic or political pressure as a tool of governance. One of the tools in such arsenal are economic restrictions, or political restrictions. If the law of the sea bans these, then the concept of SANCTIONS becomes illegal. The EU/US sanctions against Iran, North Korea, and Cuba, are thus llegal and you are in the hook for tens of billions, perhaps hundreds of billions, for hampering for decades the rights of those nations, since sanctions are made illegal by the overarching law of the sea you guys claim has so much power.
Actually, we don't CARE how we appear to the rest of the world.
Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:23 pm
Speak for yourself, Tobias, some of us feel totally humilliated by our ridiculous so called “government”!!!!!!!!
What's the humilliation exactly?
What is it about the northern countries that makes them so much more moral, and shrouded in a nimbus, to feel humiliated in front of them?
1. Are they forever peaceful?
2. Have they never initiated a war of agression?
3. Do they have no poverty at all?
4. Do they have wonderful growing economies?
5. Have they never fallen into economic disaster?
6. Have they never defaulted?
7. Have they never oppressed their citizens?
8. Have their governments always listened to the people when they protest?
9. Do they never engage in subsidies, bailouts, and tariff barriers?
10. Are they crime and corruption free?
Tell me, I'm waiting to hear what's so wonderful about them.
Government? - more like a dictatorship every day when you have a queen who doesn't want to listen to anyone who says things she doesn't want to hear, which is why she is surrounded by sycophants.
Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:36 pm
Just for starters:
1) ARA Libertad embargoed in Ghana
2) YPF unable to get funding for the 3rd. largest shale o & g field in the world
3) ARA Espora stranded in South Africa for want of spares due to no funds
If you want more I can go on almost indefinitely!!!!!!!
Well I guess those do beat starting an illegal war of agression, playing the wrong anthem of a politically sensitive nation at the OLYMPICS, having your command center during the games flooded from a cloaca, invading the wrong nation with your amphibious forces...
To each their own priorities I guess.
@40 That's good. You don't care. Neither do WE. Watch the skies!
@43 And who thinks that
1. They are always right;
2. It's OK to attack defenceless territories;
3. It's OK to occupy defenceless territories;
4. It's OK to commit war crimes;
5. It's OK to commit genocide;
6. It's OK to borrow money that can't be repaid;
7. It's OK to issue fraudulent bonds;
8. It's OK to refuse to repay debtors;
9. It's OK to refuse to comply with the reasonable request of port authorities;
10. It's OK to offer armed resistance to port authorities.
Shall we go on?
@46 Oh, I agree. The why have you started an illegal war of aggression? Economic war is still a war. And equally a breach of the UN Charter. What a shame for you that we beat your ass in the Falklands. Stopped you attacking Chile, didn't it? Who was it going to be after that? Uruguay? But then you are tiny, insignificant, unsuccessful, faggoty nazi wannabes, aren't you? No balls, no courage, no guts. More than 11,000 prisoners taken by a single battalion in '82. You are nothing, youi have nothing except a big mouth. Shut it. Before we shut it for you. Make no mistake. I have no interest in the survival of a single argie. Proper, sensible, intelligent, responsible Argentines are different. Don't get your hopes up. You aren't one of them. You are just a, temporarily, walking corpse.
I think that's what the Chinese said about the British, Portuguese, French, Spanish, Dutch, and all other Europeans when they built their carrier and the other day when they began landing and taking off aircraft from it.
Now they have the means to give you a what's coming for the last 200 years of meddling and nibbling in their territories.
CFK will do what SHE wants to do, when she wants, where she wants, and to whom she wants ,
Until some one stops her,
Just what have we been reduced to, a third world begging nation reduced to begging the EU, UN WTO, blab la bla,
What the fxck has happened to us,
If the price of peace, is humiliation then fxck peace.
Just my opinion.
In what way is Argentina like nazi
Can you explain yourself.And take your time.
Your assertion of simply exercising sovereignty is just sophistry the Convention clearly states:
1....the coastal state shall not:
(b) discriminate in form or fact against the ships of any state or against ships carrying cargoes to, or from or on behalf of any state:
Further, underscored by ”b) prevent nations from engaging in the SELF-DETERMINATION of using economic or political pressure as a tool of governance.”
This is purely an unilateral illegal act by Argentina. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said UK is not violating relevant UN resolutions referred to the Falklands’ and more specifically on colonialism, he argued that a prevailing impression is that “people living under certain conditions should have a certain level of capacities so that they can decide their own future”, be it independence or some kind of government in their territories.
If Argentina had a case she could use proper legal methods such as submitting her claim to an appropriate legal tribunal. The only reason she doesn't is because she doesn't have a sufficiency in law to succeed.
Oh and I'm pretty sure we could destroy them through economic means.
I think you'll find if you enquire that the Chinese are more interested in sound economic management than foaming at the mouth over the slights of the past. That's more of an Argentine pastime.
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/117937/falkland-oil-and-gas-loses-half-its-value-on-malvinas-disappointing-results
What Next?
Judge Greisas Ruling overturned by appeal?
ARA Libertad is freed from captivity?
Grain Prices Soar?
New Major oil discovery in patagonia?
World Bank says Argentina rduced its poverty by 50%?
World Bank says Argentine middle class the fastest growing in the region?
Argentina pays it's cooperative bond holders on time?
Cristina's chances for reelection suddenly skyrocket?
HOOOoooooo! Shrugging shoulders......It gives me chiiiils all over my body.
One of the more amusing aspects of your delusion is the belief that the rest of the world shares it. That's quite a stretch for a self-confessed xenophobe such as yourself.
i am not a xenophobe, however, I am sedulously leery of outsiders. It keeps me strong, healthy, and intact.
It keeps you prejudiced, blinkered, and comic.
But sadly, the Ucalegon is you: Europe and North America.
And the Achaeans in this case? That would be who?
And you don't speak for the rest of the world. And until that day comes, you're idiotic for even thinking it. You don't even speak for your own people.
They would be your new masters since circa 2008... the ones that call you the people of Europe and North America “muppets”, “plebs”, and “rip the faces off”.
@63
Why don't you retreat from your pusillanimous citadel and perform a sally... tell me, what is it that I do not comprehend about the English language?
Oh yeah, them. I'd have thought with your vast historical perspective you'd have realised they've been around since long before 2008.
*32 I just don´t like this kind off thinking from the Argies!!
I like fair play...right now The Falkland islanders are winning every
round,,,
“*18 I Never Left!! haha
*32 I just don´t like this kind off thinking from the Argies!!
I like fair play...right now The Falkland islanders are winning every
round,,,”
It's OK, gang!!!
Aussie is really one of us now, a true Aussie. and an independent thinker.
NOT
Right now I totally disagree with the Argies in what they are doing with the cruise ships.....it is stupid!! Very stupid!!
I utilize the same vocabulary in Spanish. I have an English vocabulary of 43.000 words estimated, and 37.000 in Spanish. Average is 18.000 and 17.000
here Isolde using another screen name
lol
Anyway, I invite anyone to contact me at +54(370)439-2420.
anyway the world would like cristina gone, the neighbouring countries would love it if she just went as she has made a mockery of mercosur
The real “isolde” is a devout Troll-Killer.
“hans” and “rob the ARGIE” are sussie - a pederast from BA
Still living in LA?
Have you paid all your debt there? A neighbour from San Pedro Street seem is looking for you mate and with a big bill.
Be carefully you never know when someone can embargoes you.
l have been away, but l see that most of the RGs haven't got any smarter.
Except for Simon68 & a few others like Rob & l'm surprised that they haven't been paid a visit by the SS, I mean the Argentine Secret Service.
l can assure you hans that l only use one id. l do have another which l never use, that is merely for emergencies.
l know that silly sussie tried to use my id, but that is now blocked.
Believe it or not, its the truth.♥
will always out do
The Argentine: Queen of cynicism..
For facts and figures, read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Argentine
www.aljazeera.com/video/americas/2012/11/20121128152444376725.html
www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/07/201275214557954865.html
www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestoryamericas/2012/07/201277102924893557.html
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“”“” What is the problem on making it real?“”“”
common sense?
www.telam.com.ar/nota/45400/
10.000 lemmas are not the same as words. A word can be “rose”, “rosy”, and “rose” (as a noun).
20.000 lemmas is what is considered expected for college graduate.
And yes I know more words in English because I focused on vocabulary with the English language. In Spanish I focused on tenses and mechanics of proper grammar.
I can use almost 40 Spanish tenses in their correct usage. Contrast in Germanic languages where most people only use 5 or 6 tenses.
If you don’t want to be shown as a criminal what about to don’t act as one?
That will help a lot don’t you think so Agustin?
Murder and rape as well as a pathetic attempt to kill british soldiers after surrender .
Shooting a 17 year old girl leaving her paralysed by mistake solving that problem by having her thrown from an aeroplane into the atlantic.
#88 I suppose you respect the ww2 ss at least they actually won a few battles which you cant say for the argentine military who preferred rape and torture against nuns.
Whose crime was to complain about people disappearing.
What Garbage - the Chinese carrier is nowhere near operational and china is too bust picking territoitorial squabbles with virtually all of it's neighnours to consider attacking the west, their main source of income from exports..............
1) We have nothing to cry about, you do though!
ln fact most people are happy, what about you?
2) We are not idiots, but you appear to be one.
All you malvinistas are idiots!
@100 pippa,
You like it?
is
“Sussie Middleton” I would say.
I suppose you're standing in a heroic pose when you say these things. I suppose you've found a spot of moral high ground upon which to stand and I suspose all look up to you for your fantastic statements. I'd have to be on drugs too to think that your comments warrant any merit. Your government has you suckered up good and proper, move over Joseph Goebbels and Make way for CFK. What a dream team!
1-“Criminal” Someone that commit a crime or does something against the establish law.
2-“Sane” someone that apparently is mentally healthy but is not excepted to be a criminal.
3- Are you talking of “Man and Society in Calamity” from 1942 wrote by Sorokin perhaps?
And adapted and republished by this idiot “Grandpappy or Robert Wayne Atkins”?
www.grandpappy.info/index.htm
That book is 70 years old and was wrote by a Russian that was expulsed from Russia.
And a pretty good tool to indoctrinate dogmatic Christians with empties heads that believe in ferry tales.
4-“I am 36 years old...”
This is a complete lie the majority of the young people have projects, go to school universities, run a business, etc. You talk like and bitter angry old man that feels being excluded from the society by the youngsters.
How many young people do you know to affirm that?
Your “cliche” comes from the media and literature you are consuming like the book you are reading now.
The society had changed and media and globalisation have empower the young generation to include them in the consumerism order like women in the last decades. You can like it or not but is the way its.
What next? Are you going to say that all women are also prostitutes because they earn more than you?
5- Now Father O'brien lets talk about real corruption like in the religion and the church where is full of paedophiles with good friends in the Italian mafia, corrupt politicians and centre of power.
I didn’t hear a word about that father?
That yes is pretty scary, I guess we have to do something with them. What do you think about a real job doing something useful?
@Musky
If Joseph Goebbels would be alive sure he will give you the “Goebbels propaganda Award 2012” for you good job.
BTW how much got pay a UK team propaganda member on these days?
”That yes is pretty scary, What do you think about a real job doing something useful? “
We would ask you the same thing!
@dany again
”BTW how much got pay a UK team propaganda member on these days?”
Ha ha! We are not like you.
Each non-Kirchnerite poster (excepting TTT) is an individual and free thinker.
They have only one message in common, “ leave the Falklands alone!”
Don't flatter yourselves that anyone really takes much notice of you except when your tantrums get very shrill. Certainly, we are not like La Campora - no governments or organisations would consider there to be any value in financing anti-CFK paid propagandists. No interest and no point in it. Sooner or later, non-Argentinians see through the tantrums, lies, and performances. Argentina shows her true colours.
How's Christmas shaping up? Got any plans?
Are you going to send some Xmas Spam to the crew of the Libertad for their holiday dinner? Marks & Sparks makes a lovely Christmas pudding. Oops, no, you would need to import that with $$ or £.
Better do your Christmas shopping early, you know the Peso is only going to be worth less, the closer to Christmas you get. :-)
I wonder what CFK is wishing for, this year???
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