Tuesday, November 27th 2012 - 01:40 UTC

Argentina rejects UK complaints on maritime security regarding the Falklands

Argentine ambassador Alicia Castro rejected at the International Maritime Organization, IMO, British complaints on maritime security in Argentine waters and navigation obstacles for British and Falklands flagged vessels which access Argentine ports.

Ambassador Alicia Castro attended the opening of the IMO in London

“Argentina has not incurred in any violation of its international commitments” said Ambassador Castro in reply to UK complaints during the opening of the 91st session period of the IMO Maritime Security Committee which took off Monday in London.

The British writ questioned provincial laws which impede the access to Argentine ports of vessels linked to the hydrocarbons exploration in Falklands’ waters and at the same time filed a complaint regarding several actions which presumably would impact on the security and operation of British vessels in Argentina.

“Provincial legislation referred to by the UK which regulate navigation coastal navigation between continental Argentina and the Malvinas Islands have the purpose of protecting natural resources under its sovereignty and jurisdiction, as well as rejecting the illegitimate exploration and exploitation hydrocarbons activities displayed along the Argentine continental shelf”, said ambassador Castro according to the Argentine Executive site.

In that context the ambassador recalled the numerous resolutions from the international community which call on Argentina and the UK to resume sovereignty negotiations over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands and in particular the UN General Assembly resolution which requires both sides to abstain from adopting decisions that imply unilateral modification to the situation in the Islands.

Reference to more specific claims by the UK delegation at IOM, the ambassador said “there is no evidence at the Argentine maritime authority that navigation security or of the vessels has been compromised”.

“On this issue, no vessel requested for help in the framework of the IMO recommendations and mechanisms” insisted Castro adding that in relation to the CLARE vessel case, “Argentina presented documentation from the Coast Guard proving that such vessel effectively received assistance or a routine request for food and water”.

As to British allegations referred to the violent actions committed by extremist groups against the offices of a maritime agency in Buenos Aires, the ambassador reported on the administrative and judicial actions undertaken by the Argentine Federal Police.

Finally as to union actions, denounced by the UK, allegedly involving maritime unions affiliates of the International Federation of Transport Workers, the Argentine ambassador argued that Argentina “respects unions’ autonomy”.

According to the Argentine version of the presentation, and reported in the Presidency webpage, Argentina received the emphatic and explicit support from nine countries belonging to the region, Brazil, Cuba, Chile, Ecuador, Guatemala, México, Peru, Venezuela and Uruguay, while the UK position “collected no adhesion from any of the 170 countries attending the meeting”.
 

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1 Pirate Love (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:24 am Report abuse
“According to the argentine version and what was reported on president Crustinas website”
proof please of what really was said? not the bull that gets fed to her people.
2 si, si, si (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:36 am
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3 Lord Ton (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 03:35 am Report abuse
“ ... and in particular the UN General Assembly resolution ...”

So Ban ki-moon wasted his breath. How unsurprising !
4 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:16 am Report abuse
”The British writ questioned provincial laws which impede the access to Argentine ports of vessels linked to the hydrocarbons exploration in Falklands’

I thought that they didn't need our ports. Well, the reality is showing that is very expensive to run this fiasco from 14000 km away.
First they want to steal our natural resources at gun point and then they complained because we are not helping them.
5 Lord Ton (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:25 am Report abuse
How can we steal that which we own ??
6 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:37 am Report abuse
The same way you are doing it around the globe for hundreds of years, at gun point.
7 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 05:21 am Report abuse
Like you did in Patagonia, you mean?
8 CJvR (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:09 am Report abuse
Perhaps it is time for the UK to introduce some economic sanctions against the Argies.
9 Vulcanbomber (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 08:07 am Report abuse
I think the cruise community should begin to ignore Argentina and skip them off the list of ports to visit and visit Falkland islands then Chile.

Chile took the cruise ships last time from Princess Cruises. Argentina would soon realise that working together gain money an improves the economy rather than exclusion.

Perhaps the Royal Navy should escort the falkland island fishing vessels as they have been intercepted by Argentine fishermen illegally.

After all, its not like Argentina has a working Navy. We all know CFK only follows laws of her own choosing and ignoring international law.

www.cruising4holidays.com/destinations/americas/falklands.html shows how nice it is at the falklands for cruises, it also contains info on Argentina www.cruising4holidays.com/destinations/americas/ushuaia.html but the provincial government were not happy with the federal decision to turn away hundreds of thousands of pounds of tourist money from Ushuaia, Southern Argentina

At the end of the day, Argentina need to try and belong to the world community, this means paying debts, behaving like a proper country, stop threatening small island nations otherwise face sanctions and indeed possible UN action. The IMF and WTO already have worries over their behaviour
10 Musky (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 08:22 am Report abuse
@4 MA
Castro talks out of her rear end as do you. Your mindless rhetoric does not reflect legal or historical fact and your country does not do justice to the UN charter on self determination. Your country's actions are like those of the communist blockade of west berlin and will get them nowhere. Your neighbouring countrie's steadfast support of the malvinas issue yet they still welcome cameron and uk business with open arms. Your neighbours say one thing yet demonstrate another. They keep you happy (as you are the local tantrum child) as it is no cost to them as long as they can do business. Your backing is near zero except for the idiot in charge of Venezuela. Argentine bed fellows are a motley crew of dubious and in most cases notorious !
11 DanyBerger (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 08:28 am Report abuse
@ CJvR

“Perhaps it is time for the UK to introduce some economic sanctions against the Argies.”

You first have to produce something to sell instead to put embargoes first.

What kind of embargo are you planing to put over Argentina?

Over Kebabs and Curry?
12 CJvR (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 08:31 am Report abuse
@11 - IIRC Argentina is currently running a trade surplus with the UK so they must have something marketable.
13 txiki (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:06 am Report abuse
Argentina behaves like a spoiled little child who cries continuously because it didn't get what it wanted. It managed to grab plenty of territory during it's colonial expansion to the south in the 19th century, but because it got its nose bloodied twice during the last 200 years, when the ilegal military garrison was removed in 1833, and then once again in 1982, it has to complain to anyone and everyone about this “injustice”. The injustice of someone else getting something it wanted.

If Argentina feels so hard done by, then instead of continually crying to the United Nations, it should present its case at the ICJ. However, in spite of what it might think, its case for sovereignty is not very strong which is the reason that they haven't agreed to any case being brought by either side - and have already stated it wouldn't recognise any outcome - much as they did with the ruling regarding the Tierra del Fuego.

Besides this, the population - as transplanted as the population of Argentina itself - have the right to choose their own destiny as enshrined in the founding charters of the UN.

So now is the time for the state of Argentina to reverse the last 70 years of the false indoctrination of its population and let the islanders live the life they both want to and are entitled to.
14 Gordo1 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:35 am Report abuse
Given Ms Castro's previous public performances I wonder whether she realises what a walking disaster she is. She is a shameful performer who is only giving her country a bad name.
15 txiki (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:50 am Report abuse
I can't wait to see her on Newsnight....
16 Idlehands (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:05 am Report abuse
Is she scheduled for Newsnight or is that just wishful thinking?
17 Pirate Love (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:24 am Report abuse
i dont think anybody can deny that the whole argentine circus is a joy to behold, not long now before Crustina breaks under pressure and retreats to a padded room smearing sh*t on herself and gibbering marcos like tripe to the cockroaches, no change there then.
18 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:38 am Report abuse
@15 txiki (#)
Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:50 am

Don't hold your breath. Newsnight is BBC. If the BBC actually ran the country they'd have handed the Falkland Islands over to Argentina decades ago. She'll get an easy ride.
19 Anbar (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:39 am Report abuse
“”“What kind of embargo are you planing to put over Argentina?”“”

none - they dont need to: Argentina's government is effectively damaging its own commerce by restricting ships destinations.... the Argentines who rely on cruise ships get hurt just as much as the islanders do.

And, lets face facts, as soon as the oil is pumping then income from tourism becomes of negligible value...

In other words: any short-term political gain will only result in long-term harm to ordinary Argentines and sod-all harm to Falklanders.

This self-harm type of result is typical of the CFK Government.
20 Pirate Love (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:10 am Report abuse
seems others are displeased with argentinas dictatorship.

www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/11/argentina-no-longer-deserves-to-be-a-major-non-nato-ally-of-the-us
21 Rufus (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:16 am Report abuse
@18 F-F-F

Be fair, if the BBC actually ran the country they'd probably have handed the Isle of Dogs and the Outer Hebrides over to Argentina as well.
22 txiki (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 12:23 pm Report abuse
Last time there Falklands were on Newsnight, some months ago, they invited Jimena Blanco - a politcal anaylst of LatinNews (@Mafalda_Moreno5 on twitter). She spouted the same rubbish.

Although she is meant to be neutral - she doesn't do a very good job spouting the normal Argentine rhetoric. Makes interesting viewing. Of course dear old Jimena managed to get her facts wrong - the argentine garrison managed to murder its own commander - not a british one....

Dick was a lot more coherent - and that just about sums up the argument.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/9694711.stm
23 Steveu (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
If Argentine thugs are going to attack the shipping company offices in Argentina, how can the shipping companies guarantee the safety of their passengers when they dock at Argentine ports?

Simple risk assessment and another potential own goal for the RGs
24 Room101 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:06 pm Report abuse
Argentina has no more of its feet to shoot into
25 Conqueror (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
@4 Okay then. If that's what you want. We'll use guns. Or the 21st century equivalent. In the meantime, you might want to note that you have turned away cruise liners from Bermuda, Germany and Netherlands. Not too bright.
@6 Whose guns in 1765? When YOU didn't exist. Mustn't steal what doesn't belong to you, RIGHT? Couldn't have belonged to YOU. YOU didn't exist.
@11 Have you considered our “non-existent” submarines off your coast? Think about it! Remember the last time you wanted a war? Remember what happened? We don't have to produce anything to embargo you. We just need to surface, explain politely that cargo vessels aren't allowed to entire or leave argie ports and invite said vessels to either return to the argie port or return to the port of origin. Don't forget, you are the ones that call us “pirates”. Limited action. Torpedos with a “disabling” rather than “sinking” warhead? Plus an international statement that we are taking similar action against argieland as it does against the Falklands.
26 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
'Argentina received the emphatic and explicit support from nine countries belonging to the region, Brazil, Cuba, Chile, Ecuador, Guatemala, México, Peru, Venezuela and Uruguay, while the UK position “collected no adhesion from any of the 170 countries attending the meeting”.'

We as a people are a country who understand right and wrong. We are also a people who are quite capable of standing up for what we want and what we believe in and people will actually listen to us. Have you not heard the EU are bricking themselves because half our parliment (might be a slight exageration at half) wants out? We are a perminent member of the UN Security Council. A pioneering country in human rights, technology, etc, etc. We have earned the respect of other countries, and respect them for it alike.

Argentina is a whinging baby that throws the already mud soaked teddy from the pram, ignores all international laws, flaunts human rights, is one big favella and chooses to be irrespectful towards anyone who chooses to do something unlike what they want. You need countries to back you up, but then again, the countries you choose to back you up have track records as bad as your own and therefore no one will listen to you anyway!

What a joke of a nation and what a joke of a defence.
27 ynsere (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
As a Uruguayan citizen, I am ashamed of my government's support of Argentina regarding the Falklands. Not our finest moment.
28 briton (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
Still, if our deluded European loving government had not sliced the navy like salami, reduced the air force, and wrecked the army, we might have said something harder,

Sadly we throw tissue now days,
While they take the piss out of us.
29 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
Argentina rejects UK complaints on maritime security regarding the Falklands

Of course THEY do...........

We want to know if anyone who is not insane doesn't.................
30 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
Well that seems to be a pretty comprehensive reply and slapdown to the Cameron position =) Nice picture btw, ma'am Ambassador looking very, well, Presidential actually =)
31 Xect (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
Slapdown? LOL - I must of missed that....

'illegitimate exploration and exploitation hydrocarbons activities displayed along the Argentine continental shelf'

Comprehensive, only if you believe in lies that are not supported by any international law.........

LOL comical (as usual) reply to the legitimate facts represented by the British government.
32 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
@30 Thanks BJ, for the constant surreal comedy and fawning, deluded obsession. You're like a cross between George Galloway, Emo Phillips and Gollum. As for looking 'presidential'... I think the word you're looking for is 'menopausal'.
33 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
@30 BK

BK,
I'm sure “Dover” can sell you a video of Alicia and Crissy going “girl on girl”. He lives quite close to you, doesn't he?
34 andy65 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:28 am Report abuse
Sad the best Argentina can do is wheel out these old pensioners with dyed hair and botox lips
35 Bongo (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:48 am Report abuse
@30 BK

Are you contemplating being unfaithful to Christina?

That will definitely tip her over the edge.
36 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:11 am Report abuse
#35 Not at all, I've always been a big supporter of Alicia on here and said she'd makea worthy successor if, against my own first preference, Cristina doesn't run again. They are both tough, smart and pretty ladies =)
37 KFC de Pollo (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:18 am Report abuse
@30 hilarious, Alicia is as far from presidential as you can get!
38 Bongo (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:20 am Report abuse
@36

Pretty?

Are you living with a horse?
39 hans (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:39 am
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40 Per Ardua (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 02:05 am Report abuse
@36 Brilliant! So how many injunctions do they have against you now?
41 kelperabout (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 02:21 am Report abuse
Quite a few comments on here have stated the obvious that the Argentines are doing a first class job destroying their own economy and the wiser members of the world community already realise this so are quietly sitting back leaving the Islanders to counter any kind of rubish they try to spread. Keep it up CFK the democratic world is very proud of the way in which you consistantly shoot yourself in the foot.

Embargos against the Islands is nothing more than a joke because as has already been seen business has moved elsewhere meaning Argentina is loosing vast trade oppertunities. Meanwhile the Falkland Islanders are growing financially as a result. CFK should have put the embargo in place years ago because it has certainly made every Islander realise that we actually do not need Argentina at all in the trade world.
Can't wait for the oil to flow and Islanders have so much extra money to spend.
42 DanyBerger (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 07:48 am Report abuse
@kelperabout

“Embargos against the Islands is nothing more than a joke because as has already been seen business has moved elsewhere meaning Argentina is loosing vast trade oppertunities”

Are you joking or what a place with 120m of GDP means absolutely nothing.

Chad: $9.195 billion
Guinea-Bissau: 2 billions
Dominica: 1.2 billions
Samoa: 1.1 billion
Western Sahara: 1 billion

Sorry I couldn’t remember more poor countries with so little GDP because even North Korea and Bolivia seem 2 super power compared with FI. And Bolivia will even growth more if they get into Mecorsur.

And in which trade block are you?
In the loser Union?
43 lsolde (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:07 am Report abuse
@38 Bongo,
You shouldn't be so cruel.
Horses have feelings too, you know.
44 LEPRecon (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:15 am Report abuse
@42 - Dany

As usual you skew the numbers.

The Falklands may 'only' have a GDP of US$120 million, but that is for a population of 3,000 people.

Imagine what their GDP would be if they had 10,000 people, or 100,000,000 people, or a million people!

So all your figure's are irrelevant, because you have to take into account population numbers too.
45 M_of_FI (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:24 am Report abuse
LEPRecon, my point exactly. You need to put the GDP figures into perspective, and that is done by using population figures and calculating the GDP per capita, which is a decent representation of standard of living. This is what articulate people do so that a fair comparison can be made. Incidently, the Falklands GDP per capita is one of the highest in the world. Funny, how you forget to mention this Dany. Funny how you seem to forget certain things that don't validate your arguement....but that is the Argentine way, you ignore whatever doesn't suit you, for example; Falkland Islanders human rights, IMF's opinions on Argentine statistics, countries when they want their money back, US courts when you refuse to pay back your loans.... the list could go on Dany!
46 agent999 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:30 am Report abuse
@42
GDP per capita

www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=67

Falkland Islands - 8th.
Argentina - 68th.

But it would not suit your misdirection,
47 kelperabout (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:44 am Report abuse
42 DanyBerger (#)
It has already been noted by some people regarding the actual worth of the individual on the Islands and correctly pointed out size does not matter because it is the personal wealth that truly defines the Countries well bieng. Argentina is so riddled in Debt it has now had their banking status lowered to a CC. Not to impressive for a country that once was one of the richest in exports. Seems Argentina is fast loosing favour with the world economy while the Falklands is gaining speed.
For just tghree thousand people I say we are doing very well for ourselves and this all acheived inspite of your Countries attempt to place a shipping embargo on us. I say keep bringing it on chaps because everytime Argentina tries to put an obstacle in our path Our so called irrelivant little Country comes out smelling of roses while yours sinks deeper into the cess pitt.
48 M_of_FI (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:14 pm Report abuse
47 kelperabout...precisely.

A good example is China. It's GDP is $11.3 trillion, but with a population of 1,347,350,000, their actual GDP per capita is poor ($8,382 - 91st in the world). If China's GDP per capita was on the same level as Britain's ($38,591 - 22nd) then there GDP would be $52 trillion instead of $11.3 trillion. Understamd the difference and the importance of GDP per capita. Maybe your President and Government need a mini economics lesson too!
49 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
dickberger does not understand the concept of per capita, whereas a number in and by itself is meaningless.
50 briton (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
The Argies seems to forget,
The Falklands is growing,
CFK and her government, on the other hand
Are shrinking.

.
51 Room101 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
The Falklands issues may become the least of Argentina's concerns; maritime environmental (fisheries) may dominate the agenda; South America's southern regions, too...
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121126110933.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Fearth_climate%2Foceanography+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Earth+%26+Climate+News+--+Oceanography%29
But immediate political scapegoating diversions to avoid internal public protests is paramount for the self-interests of Mrs CFK and cohorts. They won't be around when the next generation has to cope.
52 Raul (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
4 Mark Alexander

Excellent answer!!
”The British writings challenged provincial laws that impede access to the ports of the Argentine ships linked to oil exploration in the Falklands

I thought I did not need our ports. Well, the reality is proving to be very expensive to maintain this fiasco than 14,000 kilometers away.
First they want to steal our natural resources at gunpoint and then complained because we are helping them.

They think that the Argentine and Latin Americans are fools. It is becoming increasingly clear breach of international law by the United Kingdom. World public opinion is increasingly more sympathy Malvinas cause against English colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century.
53 Conqueror (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
@52 Fortunately, we can see that argieland was involved in yet another crime!

en.mercopress.com/2012/11/28/the-clandestine-repressive-condor-plan-was-masterminded-by-the-brazilian-military

Is there any crime in the entire world in which argieland is not involved? And, yet again, they have sought to blame someone else. Is there any “place” in the world less deserving of existence than argieland?
54 Per Ardua (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
Raul,

You do know that lying and constantly wishing for things to be true does not make them true, don't you? Do you have a pair of ruby slippers? Do you click them together every day, chanting “There's no place like the Malvinas, thee's no place like the Malvinas”? Sorry mate, but it's not working. But you keep believing it, ok? In the meantime, there are and always will be the Falkland Islands and no Malvinas.
55 briton (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
the indocrinated one,
knows no better.

they have no claim, never had , never will.
56 Terence Hill (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:36 pm Report abuse
52 Raul “It is becoming increasingly clear breach of international law by the United Kingdom”

What fiction is this? to this present date Argentina is the only one of the two nations that has been in clear breach of international law.
57 DanyBerger (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 04:41 am Report abuse
@LEPRecon & M_of_FI & co

Ahhh!

Doesn’t work like that mates.

1-GDP per capita does not reflects standard of living otherwise productivity calculated over a given population.

A company, lets say with 5000 employees can produce turnover of $18 billions.

You are not going to produce a $36bn turnover by having lets say 10.000 employees as you said LepWrong.

A supermarket chain in Argentina has a turnover of U$S 2.5bn at year and has 20.000 employees having 16 branches.

That gives an average of 1.250 employees by branch and a turnover for each branch of U$s 156,25.

If that retailer chain would be a country its GDP would be U$s 2.5 billions and the GDP per capital would be of U$S 125.000.

Can you see?

Using the same methodology the employees of that chain will be the richer people on earth and measured on dollar official exchange rate and not PPP that will give even more GDP per capita.

Your entire Islands cannot produce a GDP like one of my local branch of that retailer chain.

And the employees have a GDP per capita of U$S125.000.

And better of they have bananas and lot of stuff for sale like “Riken Salchichen”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85Pa9D6qh4

So your little FI looks like a corner shop in UK without bananas and “Riken Salchichen” nothing more...
58 Per Ardua (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 05:22 am Report abuse
Dunny Burger,

So you're a Wikipedia economics expert as well as a Wikipedia aviation expert? Do your Wiki talents know know bounds?

By the way, you didn't explain how the Alpha-Jet was developed from the IA63. Could you give us your expert knowledge?
59 DanyBerger (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 05:28 am Report abuse
@Per Ardua

Did I provide any link to Wiki?

I guess not so keep going.
60 Per Ardua (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 07:07 am Report abuse
No, but I recognise the style, as it's clearly where you get all your 'knowledge'. (OK, to be fair, there are also the Malvinista staples of Google, Youtube, lies and desperation)

Anyway, about the Alpha-Jet; what were you saying about it being developed from the IA63? You still haven't expanded on that story.
61 DanyBerger (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 07:40 am Report abuse
@Per Ardua

I guess you are confuse with another article where Conor and you are trying to convince anyone that the F35 is a jet designed by BAE and seems you still think that BAE is a British company when only the name was kept like in the case of BP.

So even if you would be right you still wrong.

So lets face it, UK has been sold since 1980 for few Quids to foreigner and they are so smart that keep nationalist names to keep moron happy while those companies sell crap to UK govt twice the price that could be acquired by the Indians.

So a communication device that they bought in Taiwan for 40 dollar after been introduced to UK and put a label saying BAE system you end up paying 1000 pounds.

We use collaborative approach like to say foreigner owned companies with pompous British names.

Then after the sale was complete you have to wait 4 months until the part for replacement made in Italy or elsewhere arrives to your warehouse.

Do you think if I create a company lets say British Queen Elizabeth Aerospace World Consortium (BQEAWC) can I sale to KaMoron some old Pucaras?
62 Benson (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 09:05 am Report abuse
@52 Raul
“World public opinion is increasingly more sympathy Malvinas cause against English colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century.”
Really I can't say I'd noticed this, would you like to back up that statement?

@57 DB
Not really a valid argument. The point of a business is for the return to go to the shareholders so they will try and get away with paying the employees as little as possible. The point of a governments GDP is to improve the lives of of the people (well in theroy at least, it depends on the government)
63 inthegutter (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 09:38 am Report abuse
#61 BAE is a “British company” insofar as it has its headquarters in the United Kingdom and the majority of its employees work there. It is owned by a variety of interests which include some non-British nationals and non-British companies.
64 M_of_FI (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 11:12 am Report abuse
@57 - Dany, once again your lack of knowledge shines through. GDP is calculated using 'Value Added'. Value Added consists of Operating Profit, Wages, less Subsidies. Notice that turnover doesn't even factor into the calculation.

Dany, didn't you realise that if you added all the turnover of companies of a certain country would be a lot higher than the country's GDP? Surely this would have been the first sign that you were wrong?

In conclusion, once again your shallow depth of knowledge has been highlighted.
65 DanyBerger (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 01:31 pm Report abuse
@Benson & M_of_FI

“GDP:
Gross Domestic Product (GDP) or value of all final goods and services produced within a nation in a given year. A nation's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) exchange rates is the sum value of all goods and services produced in the country valued at prices prevailing in the United States in the year noted.”

“GDP per capita:
GDP on a purchasing power parity (PPP) basis divided by population.” PPP is used to calculate OECD countries per capita.

@inthegutter

Nope the actual major owners are:
Invesco Institutional (US, Atlanta) Major share holder 13% though little equity funds controlled some in UK
William Blair & Company, L.L.C (US, Chicago)
Parametric Portfolio Associates LLC (US, Seattle)
Sims Capital Management, Inc (US, Milwaukee)
Schafer Cullen capital management inc (US, NY)
Aperio Group (US, California)
Boston Advisors, LLC (US, Boston)
Crawford Investment Counsel (US, Atlanta)
Wilmington Trust Company (US, Wilmington)
Hemenway Trust (US, New Hampshire)
Navellier & Associates (US, Reno)
Martingale Asset Management (US, Boston)
Westport Resources Management (US, Westport)
Ameriprise Financial (US, Minneapolis)
Central Trust & Investment (US, St. Louis)
LS Investment Advisors (US, Wisconsin)
Bartlett & Co (US, Ohio)
Mesirow Financial I.M.I.E (US, Chicago)

UK govt. 1 pound share but with veto (ha ha)

Renaissance Investments Inc. (Canada, Montreal)
Life Investments Inc. (Canada, Toronto)

And they were planing to sale the Company to German/Franco conglomerate EADS.
There you can see that BBC says who is major shareholder Invesco (us).
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19783954

But don't worry they will sale BAE piece by piece...
At least you expropriate the company YPF style, but you don't do that?

Do you?
66 M_of_FI (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 01:40 pm Report abuse
@Dany

Copying and pasting words from Wikipedia only proves to me that you know nothing about the Falklands economy and how GDP works. I don't have to read Wikipedia articles or copy and paste them as my knowledge on these subjects through my line of work.
67 DanyBerger (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
@ M_of_FI

“you know nothing about the Falklands economy and how GDP works... my knowledge on these subjects through my line of work”

Really?

If so why you have assumed that my simple example with the supermarket was an indicator to calculate a GDP for a country?

My point was that per capita shows increase in productivity and not standards of living.

Doesn’t matter the method used for my example the thing is once you got the variable ”Amount” that is divided by the variable “people” to obtain per capita.

What do you expect the explanation of all methods to calculate countries GDPs (Product, Expenditure, Income)...

If you like you can explain that here I will careful read it, I like the part of deflators and how you will calculate intermediation cost, exports-imports, etc, etc. You can be the whole week if you like to provide a GDP calculation lesson.

So back to the point...

Who told you that GDP per capita is an indicator of standards of living or people income?

FI Per capita: U$D 55,400
Switzerland: U$D 44,500

Do you really think that the standard of living of the Islanders is higher than the Swiss because you have a higher per capita?

Have you ever been in Switzerland?
I guess not...

BTW you also are from the club that UK can pay it's debt by just keeping AAA rating and BAE is Owned by British or you just start to face reality?
68 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
They let you out of the jungle of la campora much dickberga........let me have you email.....I want to send you something you will find interesting.
69 M_of_FI (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
67, Dany.

I wasn't suggesting that your example of a supermarket was the way to calculate, but you were the person who divided turnover by the number of employees to try and discredit the notion of GDP per capita......

But you being the knowledgable and self-taught (by Wikipedia) economist, you should know that you can't compare GDPs without looking at population. But I think you just ignore certain aspects to lie to yourself. I really couldn't careless what you think, as your opinion doesn't matter regarding the Falklands. Only the Islanders' opinion matters.
70 DanyBerger (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 05:09 am Report abuse
@M_of_FI

You write all that post to say what? Absolutely nothing...

Suppose I’ve learned economy by reading the “SUN” and by watching “Got Talent” or I cannot read or write. Even better I’m a complete moron and the most stupid person in the world that cannot read and write.

Now genius...

Tell me who told you that “GDP per capita” is not obtained by dividing the GDP of a country by its population and that the result of that is an indicator of standards of living?

The Economist perhaps? Or the WSJ?

Are you a follower of the Big Mac Index too?

“But I think you just ignore certain aspects to lie to yourself”

What aspects?

Please don’t tell me that you are an economist because I will die laughing...
71 Lord Ton (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 06:01 am Report abuse
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/11/30/council-of-presidents-call-for-the-use-of-special-mechanisms-for-decolonisation/

I wonder what it means :-)
72 GFace (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
I think it is pretty obvious. The drafters of the statement seem to think that “decolonization” is an end unto itself (not to mention the gravy train of C24). rather than a mechanism to secure and protect the human rights of people who live on the 16 territories. It fails to take into account the fact that some “colonies” as described by C24 wish to preserve some variant of the status quo, i.e, remaining under some part of the wing of their parent state, be it the Falklands or Guam, that do not fit the script set for them.

And ironically paragraphs 1 & 3 make it clear that the GA/UN/C24 sees itself as a “Great Blue Father” of these territories in imposing a solution of their imperious and arrogant liking, substituting in the FI's case a responsible and *responsive* sponsor nation (to describe the UK's role in the Falklands) for a true oppressive colonial overlord with a record of proven and continued naked contempt for the human rights of the Islanders (need we *have* to remind people that this is Argentina?), who have made their views on their own preferred status clear over and over again to the wanton ignorance of C24.
73 DanyBerger (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:58 am Report abuse
@M_of_FI


Mr. Moffi?

I’m still waiting for your rational explanation about how do you get per capita without dividing GDPs by population and how is that GDP per capita is an indicator of standard of living...

BTW can you tell me the “Lorenz curve” what is useful for and what is “Fine Tuning”?
Because in the Economist I read that the first is to get angles squared and the other to catch tv signals while you eat a big mac index and drink coke.

Are they right?
74 thorpeman (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
& we reject their whinging about Nuclear Submarines & Destroyers

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