Wednesday, November 28th 2012 - 20:28 UTC

Argentina faces 65bn dollars in claims; plans to abandon international litigations court

Argentina faces 42 claims at the World Bank’s ICSID in which the plaintiffs are demanding compensations for almost 65 billion dollars, revealed Eduardo Barcesat legal advisor to the Argentine Treasury and one of several lawyers who has defended the country in those litigations.

Advisor Barcesat: investment treaties under the ICSID umbrella are “null and void”

Among the 42 claims are five in which the International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes, ICSID, the arbitration tribunal from the World Bank has ruled against Argentina, but the country has not complied.

Argentina has not paid any of the compensations as dictated by ICSID said Barcesat who is also a professor at the University of Buenos Aires and participated in a forum in Quito relative to investment disputes organized by the Ecuadorian government.

Barcesat also said that the Argentine Lower House is considering the annulment of 59 bilateral investment treaties signed by the country, which have the World Bank’s ICSID as the arbitral tribunal for disputes between the State and multinationals.

Likewise Argentina is considering stepping down from ICSID said the lawyer who is also an advisor to the presidency of the Lower House.

The legal advisor said that the annulment process will most probably accelerate following the recent adverse decisions for Argentina in the US courts and which favour the bond hold outs that did not accept the two debt swaps of 2005 and 2010.

“The investment bilateral treaties under the umbrella of ICSID are absolutely null and void because they have entailed for Latinamerican countries dropping their legislative and jurisdictional sovereignty, which are contrary to the respective clauses in the Constitution”, argued Barcesat.

The lawyer accused the ICSID of ‘taking sides’ for the benefit of corporations and of appealing to procedures that are “grossly detrimental of the basic theory of Law”.

Barcesat said that in the future the disputes between multinational corporations and Argentina should be decided in Argentine courts or in a South American disputes arbitration court to be created, an initiative sponsored by the Ecuadorean government.

Among the ICSID rulings contrary to Argentina is the 300 million dollars compensation payment to the US companies Azurix Corp and Blue Ridge Investment for the cancelling of their public services contracts a decade ago.

Following on Argentina’s lack of payment last March the US government announced it was temporarily suspending Argentina from the benefits of the Generalized System of Preferences, GSP, which exempts tariffs to imports from developing countries.
 

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1 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
65 billion huh? Oh well, tough luck for the private companies, for YPF, for Spain, for the EU, for the US, the vultures, the German and italian Opas and nonnas, for Chavez, and for the Chinese, and for the Mercosur companies, and the World Bank and the Paris club, and for the Shurlandish, and for the bondholders.

There are no 65 billion dollars, so the world gets NOTHING.
2 Anbar (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
clever... not
3 TipsyThink (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
65 $ billions ???????????
who found this number and from where ????????

not true ........

Argentina's “” short term “” external debts are ;
September/2012

Government .... 7,715 $millions.

BCRA ........ 3,000 $ millions.

Banks ..... 2,178 $ millions.

Other Sectors .... 27,090 $ millions

the rest is “”long term “” debt............
4 Idlehands (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
Who is going to make any trade agreement with a country that has specifically withdrawn from such a body because they refuse to settle any debts they are obliged to pay? I assume they would have been happy to accept any they had won.

This is the beginning of the end.
5 Anbar (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
“”“”65 $ billions ???????????
who found this number and from where ????????“”“”

I suspect that he found the figure in an attempt to blow his own trumpet.... basing financial figures on reality has never been that good a career move for Argentinian economists, or government cronies....

know what I mean?
6 slattzzz (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
well tipsy think someone doesn't agree with your sums “Argentina needs to settle its outstanding debt with the Paris Club nations—approximately US$7.5billion.” and thats just one so only 41 to condider so I'd say 65 billion sounds about right, as idlehands said this is the beginning of the end
7 surfer (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
this A country is a total basket case, totally ignores any international law that doesn't suit it, begs for international law to save it.

needs to go bankrupt once again and restart it's relationship with the rest of the planet. Just bring on the default and let's face reality, stop running around in circles.
8 ProRG_American (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
More nonesense from opportunists who one day woke up and said, “ho I think I'll sue Argentina today”. Mercopress just cranking up the hysteria again. Good example as to why Argentina must resist the current onslaught directed by Wall Street and the London Financial Animals. Still cannot stand that South American Nations can achieve financial independence nor that new loans can be shoved sown their throats. I suppose that at some point Brazil will be targeted for the same treatment, but that is a bigger whale to hunt down.
9 TipsyThink (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
5...6

The Economy runs by numbers not by gossips. !
10 surfer (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
why are so many countries so charitable with Argentina, until they step up and seize all international assets, including BIS deposits, this farce will continue. It's a poor country that makes a lot of noise, needs to keep quiet.
11 TipsyThink (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
Everything is a “” tool “” to use up ......

Your problem is that not to able to think comprehensively...
12 slattzzz (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
@9 actually it's from the financial times which I'd believe over your made up figures,
13 commonsparrow (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
the country has not complied...
the country has not paid....

Thats a song I've heard before.
14 Xect (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
Lol @ ProRG, that must be some crazy juice you've taken.

So all 42 claims are entirely fictitious and if thats the case you probably don't think Argentina stole YPF a private company either......

You know what they say, what goes around, comes around.
15 TipsyThink (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
12

my numbers are true ...

don't be lazy /slouchy...go & search & find the numbers....
16 Xect (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
Think, maybe I misunderstand you but it seems you are comparing real debt with claims of which may haven't yet been accepted.

So its not actually a debt until the claim have been proved and according to that article not all have been accepted by the ICSID. 42 claims and 5 been awarded against Argentina.
17 HansNiesund (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
@1 The Sage of Mendoza

Isolationism, full steam ahead. Have you seen “Doomsday Preppers”?
18 Clyde15 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
This is an unimportant “red herring”. The whole world knows and agrees that the Falklands issue is the most important topic on the world's agenda. The world's economy, global warming and the Middle East pale into insignificance besides this.
It is a well known fact that the island is really the fabled “El Dorado” and if Argentina could manage to steal it they would be rich beyond the dreams of avarice. At a stroke all their problems would melt away and CFK would be beatified.
All this MUST be true or they would be spending more time on their economy.
19 slattzzz (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
Here's my homework Tipsy stink, so don't be lazy and try doing some yourself or doesn't you goverment allow you access to info like this.
Economist Arturo Porzecanski at American University in Washington told The Associated Press on Monday that he believes this could be the beginning of the end of the Fernandez government, as Argentina's deepening recession and financial turmoil lead to growing social unrest and to political crisis.
“The endgame is here and the Argentine authorities and bondholders who went into the exchange are just refusing to acknowledge this reality,” Porzecanski said. “If they don't put that money in the escrow account, chances are the Argentine economy and financial system will start grinding to a halt.”

On the other hand, if it does pay, Porzecanski agrees that Argentina will immediately face other creditors, who are likely to win as well in New York courts.
If the ruling is upheld, as expected, the Argentine government will need to pay out a total of nearly $5.5 billion in December alone.
according to analyst Ramiro Castineira with the Econometrica firm in Buenos Aires. The total debt unpaid since Argentina's 2001 economic collapse is about $11.2 billion, thats not counting hedge funds.
20 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
@17

I told everyone here Argentina would begin withdrawing from ALL international organizations. About time with extricate ourselves from such corrupt, rotten, self-serving organizations whose only purpose upon being created was to promote as “soft-colonialism” by the north, post-WWII, to replace actual boots on the ground.
21 slattzzz (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
@20 no probs but pay your debts then close the door on your way out
22 Xect (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
Interesting view of the world there Tobias and not one I believe you truly believe.

I think you know this ship is not just sinking but is 3/4's of the way under the water and you're just trolling now as a way of distracting attention.

Still I remain firm in the belief you're a good guy under all of this stuff.
23 Britninja (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
@20 I agree that it's time you leave international organisations, or rather, were thrown out for being a corrupt, rotten, self-serving dump whose only purpose seems to be to steal the money and property of other countries and whine self-pityingly when the repercussions take hold.
24 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
@22

I've always been isolationist, I said I didn't mind direct trade, but belonging to all these organizations leads to stuff like this. You as a Brit I would have thought to be more understanding than others... you people hate Europe, and you are now stuck with the EU (in your view), and their rules.

Same situations. Isolationism obviates any of this.
25 Xect (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
I support a countries ability to make its own decisions and too choose its own future as opposed to having lots of laws and regulations foisted on it a la EU.

However trade bodies are beneficial when you play within the rules and we all live in a truly global economy with the exception of a few countries like North Korea and who wants to be like them?

So I do support a countries right to withdraw from international organizations and to determine its own future but clearly Argentina isn't doing it for those reasons, its doing it because it refuses to pay the monies it arguably owns.

Still I don't agree with Elliott and other funds that are deliberately bringing Argentina too its knees. I even go as far as subscribing to Argentina's terminology of calling them 'Vulture Funds'
26 surfer (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
If Agentine Govt. was a person they'd be living in a cardboard box under the flyover, or in prison.

It's just because the charity of the rest of the world this hasn't happened yet.
27 Ayayay (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
I think working on a credible SA bank & arbitration system sounds good. I appreciate the transparency, stability and equanimity the NA sys has given me.
28 Terence Hill (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
As I've always said when not pulling any punches “lying, thieving, treaty-breakers”.
29 surfer (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
I tire of these pirates, a big smackdown is well overdue, default is really too easy, need to get all Argentine assets, worldwide, outlaws, your time is up.
30 Pirate Love (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 12:24 am Report abuse
Is somebody making this up??? seriously, i cant take anymore, this is the third pair of pants ive soaked this week through p*ssing my self laughing at Argentinas selfharm, $65 Billion holy sh*t!!

“The lawyer accused the ICSID of ‘taking sides’”, yeah right....if the decision was in argentinas favor would he still arrive at the same conclusion, I think not keep trying, I wonder if hes checked his bank for this weeks wages.

Come in Argentina, YOU NUMBER IS UP!!!
31 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 12:48 am Report abuse
Seems like a pathetic anti-Argie bandwagon to me

#18 Cristina is already beautiful =)
32 andy65 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 01:44 am Report abuse
LOL all this shit came to being since the uneducated Argies voted SS Hitler Cristina Kirchner into power this woman (thing) is a walking time bomb-you really could not make this stuff up

ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM.
33 Ayayay (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 02:32 am Report abuse
Does this mean the $2B from the World Bank and any preferences given by the Euro Union for businesses are null and void today?
34 RICO (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 08:55 am Report abuse
When Taiwan stopped being recognised by international institutions PRC took its place - when Argentina gets kicked out perhaps FI can take its place.
35 Idlehands (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 09:34 am Report abuse
The consequences of such a move by Argentina would be that anyone could seize anything in a ridiculous manner and Argentina would not be able to redress the issue in a court.
36 TipsyThink (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 09:40 am Report abuse
19

then say to A.Porzecanski...

Argentina has more than 20 $ billions at US investment portfolios....

Argentina has reserves to payback at all time in the future...

“ can not pay ” and “ hampering payback ” are not same things.
37 surfer (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 09:47 am Report abuse
There is another way to look at this, the longer that this government stays in power, the weaker the country becomes and the less of a threat to its neighbours.

As a rule of thumb I reckon 1 year of CFK will need 10 years to recover from (under a sensible government) so soon we could be looking at a century of peace in the South Atlantic!
38 Condorito (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
So that's where Count Duko ended up.
39 Gordo1 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
I have also understood that when a country(any country) contracts international obligations all parties to the transaction(s) agree that they shall be subject to a mutually agreed jurisdiction in the event of misunderstandings between the parties.
How can Argentina now say that they will not submit to the mutually agreed jurisdiction? No-one will take Argentina seriously in the future.
40 Simon68 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
39 Gordo1 (#)
Nov 29th, 2012 - 04:20 pm

No one takes us seriously now!!!!!!!
41 agent999 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
Simon
At the least we have the advantage of changing our leader/political party - it might not always have the immediate affect that we would like - but at least we have the option for change.
42 andy65 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
Does Kirchner still have the option of throwing Argentines out of military planes????
43 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
20 Tito the Clown Troll

aaaaaawwwwwwww!!! It's always nice being in the big boys clubs until you have to pay the bill isn't it?

Now be quiet, the adults are talking.

29 surfer

The final nail in the coffin for KFC??
44 Ayayay (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
The provinces had to borrow at 23% interest to pay schools, etc. because Kirchner cut their steam in half without warning.

And ppl are so concerned w Greece ovrr 7% (but just because they can become a breeding ground for wR and illness for Europe.
45 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
How will argentina sue companies for Falklands development then? argentine courts......lol

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