Wednesday, December 12th 2012 - 08:05 UTC

Falklands’ dispute triggers concern among Argentine tourism operators after two cruises omit Ushuaia

Ushuaia tourism operators expressed concern and called for common sense to prevail after two major cruises finally decided this week not to call at in Argentine Tierra del Fuego after local authorities could not guarantee that the visiting vessels would not be exposed to the same intimidation tactics and delays experienced recently in Buenos Aires and earlier this year in the extreme south terminal because they include the Falkland Islands in their itineraries.

The Ushuaia terminal is the main cruise hub of the extreme south…so far

After a letter sent with the guarantees request went unanswered, Seabourn Sojourn and Veendam with 450 and 1.300 visitors simply omitted calling and/or landing in Ushuaia and reports from the local media indicate that Holland America Line has decided to cancel future calls and the mother corporation Carnival Corporation is considering new itineraries for its cruise vessels in the rest of the season.

The two vessels apparently after omitting Ushuaia, called at Punta Arenas, Chile in the Magellan Strait, another important cruise terminal in the extreme south of the continent.

Earlier this month the Seabourn Sojourn was boarded in Buenos Aires by a gang of radical thugs, with the support of the maritime workers union and the passivity of law enforcement agents and delayed until forced to sign a commitment not to call again at the Falklands, based on a bill approved by several Patagonia provinces, the so called Gaucho Rivero law, which bans from Argentine ports vessels involved in oil related activities in the Falklands, but which is interpreted and made extensive to all commercial activities.

After several hours and having signed the cruise left for Uruguay, visiting Montevideo and Punta del Este, and this week was again expected in Ushuaia after calling at the Falklands.

The Ushuaia newspaper Diario del Fin del Mundo also published that because of the incidents allegedly Seabourne Sojourn is going to omit Ushuaia and other Argentine ports and sail between Uruguay and Chile via the Falkland Islands.

Chile has again become a main attraction for the cruise industry after Congress passed a bill ending a ban on casino and gambling on board vessels while sailing in Chilean waters. Punta Arenas the hub of cruise activity in southern Chile will be visited this season by 52 vessels with an estimated 62.000 visitors, according to local authorities.

But the harassment and intimidation by Argentine radical thugs with official ‘complicity’, of cruise vessels calling in the Falklands and Argentina has not gone down with out protests not only from the Foreign Office.

The president of the Ushuaia Chamber of Tourism, Marcelo Lietti, as he did earlier this year, warned that the implementation of the Gaucho Rivero Law is having an economic impact on the local tourism industry and related activities.

Speaking to a local Ushuaia radio Lietti said that the cruise companies have sold packages including the Malvinas so it is hard to see how they can avoid that leg since they can be exposed to legal demands and regarding the Gaucho Rivero Law he admitted that it is a provincial bill and foreign companies work on the basis of ‘national (federal) legislation’.

But what is important “we estimate a loss of 18.000 visitors this season if this continues. This means loss of jobs and activity for many small shops that live from the tourism industry” said Lietti who anticipated he would address local authorities because “these are not the methods to claim a national cause we all support”.

Likewise cruise operator Fabio de Souza, head of Tolkeyen Patagonia called for common sense to prevail and said “we have nothing to argue regarding the sovereignty claim, but we fear a contagion effect from other cruise lines and a boomerang effect for our local economy if this continues”.

“It is a complicated situation because even when the provincial government authorizes cruise vessels to call and extends the permits, a group of activists flying the Gaucho Rivero flag will not allow vessels going or coming from Malvinas to berth in Ushuaia”, said de Souza.

This week “we had this situation with two vessels while others are already talking about omitting Ushuaia for the rest of the season because of lack of guarantees by local authorities, according to the information we have”.

“We have nothing to argue regarding the sovereign claim over Malvinas, but we are beginning to have a boomerang effect and we don’t know where the conflict is going to end and how it is going to end”, added de Souza.

He pointed out that the cruise industry is dominated by two or three main corporations, highly competitive but when the interests of the industry are involved ‘they can act very much as a corporation looking for what is better for all of them”.

De Souza went on to say that leaving aside the additional complication “the current cruise season was not entirely good since although we could be receiving more calls (up 16%) the fact is that the vessels have less visitors, maybe working with 70% of last year’s average”.

The head of Tolkeyen Patagonia pointed out that the loss of activity in Ushuaia will be captured by Punta Arenas in Chile.

“Let’s not be foolish: our Chilean neighbours will take full advantage of the situation and will receive the cruise vessels with open arms. They will try again to make Punta Arenas the Antarctic logistics and cruise hub of the extreme south, a position currently held by Ushuaia”, insisted de Souza.

“Let’s hope common sense prevails and some kind of understanding can be reached because there are many jobs at stake and a whole industry based on the cruise visits and related activities”, concluded de Souza.

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1 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:24 am Report abuse
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2 Britninja (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:29 am Report abuse
Lol it's nice when karma delivers yet another kick to Argentina's tiny little nuts.
3 Steveu (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:43 am Report abuse
For one very fleeting moment I thought that Argentina had managed to do something that might actually be detrimental to the Falklanders.

Nice to know that Comedy Hour has returned in spades. Argentina - the “gift that keeps on giving”
4 Shed-time (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:50 am Report abuse

These argentinians really really are stupid. I knew it.
5 Orbit (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:01 am Report abuse
Mr de Souza and Letti will now be on the brown shirts list.

Ttt/think/ph/ma et al: are you comfortable with what is being done in your name I.e thuggery is now a tool of government?
6 JimLad (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:03 am Report abuse
Ah, another classic case of Argentina taking a shotgun to the foot. I'm curious how the Malvanistas will spin this to favour Argentina and condemn everyone else.
7 Shed-time (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:13 am Report abuse
I'm surprised they didn't find someone else to blame for this.
8 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:15 am Report abuse
'Date set for Falkland Islands referendum'
9 Lord Ton (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:18 am Report abuse
What goes around, comes around it would seem.

Do I hear a backfire ???
10 Islander1 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:21 am Report abuse
Comments from Think and Marcos please?
11 slattzzz (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:33 am Report abuse
well well, what goes around, comes around. If the carnival cruise liners bin rgenweener it's good night Vienna to loads of jobs in the area,nice one the radical thugs, with the support of the maritime workers union and the passivity of law enforcement agents. Chile will be rubbing their hands at this news and who can blame them, I certainly won't
12 stick up your junta (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:52 am Report abuse
13 brucey-babe (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:57 am Report abuse
HE @1
Petition done & dusted !
14 Shed-time (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:59 am Report abuse
Tobias is probably being preened by Maximo as we speak, making sure his mane is flowing and that he's got a good Gallup. Maximo also likes to make sure he's got enough hay and that his gimp mask fits well.

Marcos is probably still in his basement after having been awake for 34days playing World of Warcraft and never having toiletted once.
15 Idlehands (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:01 am Report abuse
Who could possibly have forseen the consequences of this prank whereby they invaded cruise ships to demand a change to their itinerary? It was totally unforeseeable so no blame should be attributed to the maritime union that took this action.
16 ElaineB (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:08 am Report abuse
Another ill-thoughtout tactic from Maximo's gang of thugs, cheered on by his mad mother.

You know the real story of the K's oligarchy is the power struggle between Nestor and Cristina with her side-kick Maximo. They are much more idealist and extreme, with little thought or intelligence behind their activism.

Good news for Chile. They just need to continue to keep their heads down and enjoy the the benefits of the Argentines messing up again.
17 Boovis (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:15 am Report abuse
Argentina has been told for ages that aggressive behaviour pushes people away and gentleness warms people to you, but as long as their pram toys land in the water around the Falklands, the longer this will go on. Idiots.
18 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:23 am Report abuse
The tourism Chamber described as a “catastrophe” for the cancellation of cruises - The titular body, Marcelo Lietti, considered that the situation will become more serious even if announced by large carmakers tourist boats that assess directly to abandon the country as a destination. “This is just beginning and we talk about something very serious”, he said, and said that “what we lose in a minute will cost us years to recover it”.
19 Martin Woodhead (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:24 am Report abuse
Well they got there demand cruise ships changed there itenerary.

Oh wait that wasnt really the plan.
But we got them to change there itenerary glorious argentine Victory !!!!!!
20 Idlehands (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:27 am Report abuse
their !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21 Shed-time (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:38 am Report abuse
@18 If you read the end of that article the guy starts hammering on again about recovering the 'Malvina islands' and putting their tourist agencies on it. It's like they're crack addicts and cannot conceivably understand the consequences of their own actions.

Uruguay > Falklands Islands > Chile.... FACT

End of Message.
22 Rufus (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:43 am Report abuse
@19 Idle

They're not going to send their ships to there...
23 Anbar (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:52 am Report abuse
Well this wasn't predicted was it?

Oh, hang on... it was.

Time to wait for the Sock Puppet Association to now post something off-topic to try to draw attention away from yet another monumental foot-shoot by their officialdom.
24 Conqueror (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:55 am Report abuse
Over time, various people from this board have said that they have emailed cruise companies decrying their “compliance” with argieland's illegitimate and illegal demands. So let's keep it up. Perhaps, in time, we can help to persuade ALL cruise companies to avoid argieland and totally destroy its cruise industry. That would be an ideal result and I'm sure that we would all be pleased to have given some concrete support to the Falkland Islanders.
25 Phil H (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:57 am Report abuse
What the hell did they think would happen? nothing so stupid as a raving malvinist. By the way where are they today?
26 Pirate Love (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:58 am Report abuse
AaaaaaaHahahahahahaa.....only in argentina can such spiteful policies backfire in spectacular fashion, Good news for The Falklands not so for argentina and its growing aggressive dictatorship ;))))))

what goes around comes around!
27 redpoll (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:59 am Report abuse
The logical extention is to ban ANY ship which has EVER called at the Falklands from all Argentine ports. Im sure Punta del Este and Punta Arenas would back that 100%
28 Shed-time (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 11:03 am Report abuse
@24 Given the police stand aside, allowing the government Brown Shirts to attack and do not protect the commercial interests of the cruise companies as per the law, then I see no other realistic option for the companies other than to abandon the country as a whole.

You cannot accommodate this lawlessness when you have the safety of thousands of customers to consider. Or at least you should not.
29 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 11:03 am Report abuse
'Longing for the country to return to the politics of seduction of the 90s which launched toward the Kelpers the Unnamable La Rioja in the hands of his Minister for relations foreign Guido Di Tella, a tiny group of fuegians and Argentine businesspeople in particular, opposed surreptitiously to a law of the province prohibited that the English flag or convenience cruises operate in ports of Tierra del Fuego' If sooner or later make it also in the Falkland Islands.
As an argument, they wield the law “Gaucho Rivero” does not help to resolve the claim of sovereignty that defends our country before the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations; the only thing that makes the law is to reduce tourist income (yours and the others) and that it also scares international companies in the absence of legal guarantees.'
30 Ratamacue (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 11:23 am Report abuse
The recent behaviour of Argentina shows just how volatile, unreasonable and self destructive they can be. 'Stupid' is probably the best word to sum it up. Argentinians have to stop dreaming and accept the reality that the Falkland Islands will never ever be part of Argentina. Who would even want to do business with them?
31 Islander1 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 11:28 am Report abuse
Maximo may not be much use any more- he had another “crack” at cocaine and is in a very poor health state - hence Mum cancelling some overseas trips a while ago- she still loves him - so it looks unlikley she can groom him to carry on the Presdential sash.
32 Idlehands (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 11:30 am Report abuse
I only ever came to Mercopress to catch up with news on the Falklands dispute because it is so rarely mentioned in any other press. However I remain hooked simply to catch up on the madness of Argentina in every aspect of governance.

The daily news covers items to make your eyes role to items that make your jaw drop. It's incredible that such a large resorce rich educated population just allows stuff to happen again and again and again without seeming to make any effort to fix it.
33 Shed-time (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 11:46 am Report abuse
@31 Well, Maximo's Fourth Reich seem to be very much behind the current attacks on boats, offices, et cetera [1] so I'm not sure he's actually as politically impotent as he is obese.

The facts are from looking at articles like [@29] that these brain-mulsched argentinians still prefer to lose money in order to retain some dignity that they never actually had. They still put their faith in a widely discredited UN committee to serve up their promised lebensraum... They're just going to keep poking themselves in the eyes until their eyes actually drop out. It's very impressive how ridiculous they are.

However, the shipping companies have no option but to avoid argentina altogether. With the terrorism being sponsored by the son and heir of the head of state, they cannot provide security to the passengers when landed in Argentina. That's a massive insurance risk.

34 Captain Fantastic (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 11:56 am Report abuse
I do enjoy human interest stories with morals & happy endings.
35 Britworker (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
I said this would come back to haunt them and it has, why would a cruise vessel want to expose its customers to thugs and terrorism. The Argentines just do not live and learn.
36 ChrisR (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
We can only hope that the Brown Shirts continue their flight of madness and lawbreaking with impunity.

Cruise lines still calling at any port in Argentina would most likely be found in breach of their insurance terms if any passengers were injured after this date. Never mind the attitude of passengers in response to the abdication of responsibility to their safety by the cruise line.

The lines would not have a leg to stand on that they were unaware of the violence should things escalate further which seems very likely.

The ONLY safe course of action is for ALL lines to ban calling in Argentina: that way no one cruise line has an ‘advantage’ over any other. Though quite how a ship calling in any port of Argentina could be considered to have an advantage is beyond any reasonable person.
37 Raven (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
I thought the cronies on here kept shouting for isolationism and we don't need anyone else.


If that were true, you wouldn't need tourism, or investment in YPF or anything else outside your borders.

Chuckle chuckle :D
38 Clyde15 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
“Ushuaia tourism operators expressed concern and called for common sense to prevail ”
Does the concept of common sense exist in Argentina ?
The silence of the Trolls is deafening.
39 expbrit (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
Dear Cretina, thanks very much for the early Christmas present. I haven't laughed this much since the last time you shot yourself in the arse. Keep up the good work.
40 Trunce (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:28 pm Report abuse

Me too!
41 andy65 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
I have alweays said it and will say it again


This will not affect old Crissy and Maximo one bit they have raided the coffers already,it's high time decent Argentines now came out on the streets and brought another sorry episode of there countrys history to an end and send this old botox queen of to Ecuadore.
42 lsolde (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
Well Think, Marcos, Doveoverdover, so_far, Malvinero1, malen, yuleno, other deluded malvinistas etc, etc ad nauseum.
What do you say now?
Part of your long range plan? yes? or no?
Come on Think, you MUST have a smart reply to this latest developement.
You've got a lot of gravey on your face, Think.
This is just too delicious. l must celebrate.
43 Simon68 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:42 pm Report abuse
As general information for all posters: Máximo Kirchner has about enough brain power to operate a Gamestation2 as long as he has someone able to read the instrutions!!!!!

He is NOMINAL chief of La Campora, but it is doubtful if he can recognize the difference between “yes” and “no” without his mother's help.

One thing is definite, he will never be “groomed” for the presidency as it is no place for drug addicts!!!!!!
44 Pirate Love (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
Ushuaia tourism always seems to pay the heavier price for Crustinas failed Cruise policies, maybe ushuaia should look towards SELF-DETERMINATION and steer its own future away from sinking lifeboat that is the ARA Crustina.

45 Trunce (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
Now,now - I fear you are all a little preemptive with your observations.

This may be part of a complex strategy - which will surely be explained by team RG, any moment now.............. zzzzzzzzz
46 Shed-time (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:22 pm Report abuse
@45 I'd expect team RG to just try to divert the conversation to something about the USA, or use some fallacious strawman argument about how the UK once stopped a boat because it was unsafe, as if a parallel existed.

Argentinian Common-sense is a contradiction in terms. It's like saying Mistressless Frenchman or Economically Minded Scot (e.g. Brown sold all our national gold for nothing and Blair indebted all our grandchildren!)
47 Brit Bob (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
A country governed by idiots that is the laughing stock of the World - sounds like Argentina.

Default day - 15th December
IMF Red Card - 17th December

48 briton (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
two major cruises finally decided this week not to call at in Argentine //

nice to see SOMEONE taking action,
another spanish intusion, argentine intimidation,

when are we going to do something.
49 Zool (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
Argentina, The only country in history to ever successfully blockade itself. Priceless, just priceless entertainment from Cristina & Co.
50 ElaineB (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
@43 “Pro party Congressman Pablo Tonelli apologized after speaking in the starkest terms against President Cristina Kirchner and her son Maximo.
“Cristina does not speak with anyone in her cabinet, except with her son Maximo Kirchner, who is a drug addict, a fool and he opens his mouth only to celebrate a goal in the Play Station,” said Tonelli during the inauguration of a partisan local in Quilmes.”

It appears that, like his mother, Maximo dropped out before completing his law studies. I think his drug abuse is pretty well-known but whether that would exclude him from being President is debatable. His mother is drugged to the eye-balls, according to Argentines I know, though prescribed drugs.
51 MrFlagpole (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:10 pm Report abuse

-Sign this under threat of violence to say that you will never go to the tranquil and peaceful Falklands. But come back here.
-Oh yeah Ok, I'll definitely do that.
52 stick up your junta (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
Paging Mr Think Economic Warfare Guru :-)))))
53 Anbar (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
It does all make you wonder who thinks these things up doesnt it?

I mean who couldnt see that this would end up hurting Argentina as much, if not more, than the Falklands people?

Even ignoring the rampant hypocrisy of the Argentine police not bothering to do a damn thing about the threats and intimidation, or investigating the criminal damage and assaults... its a DUMB idea.
WITH all those thrown in it just makes Argentina look like a tin-pot banana republic.... all because of its corrupt self-serving government...who are determined to see their personal agendas through to the end, regardless of how much injury they cause to their own, innocent, Argentine population.

Its twisted.
54 Simon68 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
52 stick up your junta (#)
Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:15 pm

It is thought that “los Señores” Think and Doveoverdover are on an expedition in darkest Chubut, looking for the well known native brook trout (Salvelinus fontinalis) which being an illegal immigrant from the USA these two intrepid malvinistas are trying to erradicate.
55 Conqueror (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
A thought for Clarin. Do you NEED to be in argieland? How does the World Service and Voice of America manage? Could you do better in another country? Could you broadcast your material across argieland?
56 Iron Man (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
Well arguably CFK is a druf addict herself, if you include prescription anti-depressants.
57 malen (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
I much prefer Bariloche, Villa La Angostura or Calafate as touristic destinations in Patagonia (not cities in the coast). Never been in Ushuaia.
But if tourists like Punta Arenas or Montevideo, its up to them
58 yankeeboy (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
I remember long ago telling THINK aka Marcos that if push comes to shove cruise liners would choose the Falklands over Argentina.

I think he called me an idiot or something like that

I love love love when my predicitons come true...
as I have said time is on my side
next up
Hyperinflation and Depression
59 ElaineB (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
@57 The scenery around Ushuaia is very beautiful. Stunning, but no more so than the Chilean side. The actual town is kinda scruffy and has an air of being temporary. I walked around for days trying to find the heart of it but there is no heart. Partly because 98% of the people living there come from other parts of Argentina. They are there partly to service the cruise business and are afforded higher wages and no tax in return for living in such a remote place. Argentines go there for a few years to build up savings before returning home at some point.

There is not much to do there for residents. A cinema. They have dancing on Saturdays, one excited resident told me. I asked him what people did the rest of the time and he thought for a while before responding, “Mostly we have affairs”.

It is great to visit for a day as a tourist, I guess, and it markets itself as 'The most southerly town in the world', which is why cruises call there. It rains pretty much the whole year round but I was lucky and had several days of good weather when I was there. The sunsets are spectacular.

I have visited the other places you mention, Malen, and all are worthy of a visit. You should visit Ushuaia before writing it off. I liked it in a thank-God-I-don't-have-to-live-here way. Besides, they need the local tourism if the cruises are going to abandon them.
60 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
59 responses for nothing.

This is one major “Ado”, as the once well-respected British people would have said.

Cruise ships that include a “leg” in the Falkland Islands as part of their allure are replete with passengers that very likely have no personal interest in visiting Buenos Aires, Ushuaia, Madryn, the Valdez Peninsula, or anything else in Argentina. And probably have espouse antagonistic enmity towards us for political, ethnic, or racial reasons.

So it is no drama at all for the cruise ship, nor for argenine ports, to have them skip the country. Furthermore, those that do are clearly indicating with whom their political allegiances lie, and thus black-list themselves which makes it very easy to ban them for ever.

And btw, the numbers in this article are disputed.

All in all, much brouhaha about nothing.
61 yankeeboy (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
Ahh Toby, Yet another industry destroyed by the stupid Ks.
You knw TDF was a used as a restocking point for perishables for the cruise lines so what are the farmers going to do with all the products now? Ship them to BA? Lose all their profits in transport costs?

So how many industries THIS YEAR has CFK destroyed with bad policy:

Cruise line

Can the economy stand many more?

I think not
62 Shed-time (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
I still don't know why anyone would want to go anywhere that has any sour argentinians full stop. Why not just go to Chile, and enjoy their happiness, their customs and welcoming nature? You can spend all your money on people who actually want it, rather than just get pushed around by brown shirted thugs.

It all makes sense.
63 yankeeboy (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
When I lived in BA I used to travel to neighboring countries quite a lot. I took and RG friend to Santiago and two things struck him:
Chileneos lining up to pay their taxes
Their happy faces
Neither of which you see walking around in BA
64 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
Is the industry destroyed by virue of two cruises out of over 150 not calling to one particular port? The decisions of those operators will redound to their injury. I'm sure they will face several lawsuits for skipping Argentina entirely as at least one or two customers on board certainly paid in good faith expecting as much.

That lone example should limn to others the “accuracy” of your remanining jejune fibs.

Most risible of all, you still appear to believe you sound intelligent through eluctation of crass hyperbole. That is the problem with you antis, your procrustean minds allow you no escape chute when someone presents even a microscopic deviation from your “worldview”.

Then you all lose your dissembled sangfroid demeanor and resort to invectives and acrid harangues.
65 yankeeboy (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
As I said with the forced U$ to Peso conversion of the Provincial debt...

Canary in the Coal mine

These 2 ships are just the 1st of many to come

Did you upgrade your Thesaurus program retard?
66 LEPRecon (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
@64 - Tobias

But you don't need anyone remember? You want to be isolationist, so as each day goes by, the insane policies of your government get closer to granting your wish.

You must be very happy by now, although I doubt the Argentine people whose jobs are on the line are happy though.

As for them facing law suits, I doubt that would happen, after the attack on a cruise ship in Buenos Aires, plus the fact that neither the provincial or federal government could or would guarantee the safety of the passengers, the company can cite that as a reason for not calling at an Argentine port.

Safety of the passengers takes precedent, and any court of law would recognise that fact.

Face it, Argentina has been hoist with your own petard, by allowing these bullying brown shirt fascists to dictate your governmental policy, while your law enforcement just sat back and did nothing.
67 Viva Las Falklands (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
Re 64 - Would someone please translate the comment into english!
The Plain English Society would probably be the first stop for Tobias to take some lessons.
68 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:14 pm Report abuse

If you haven't noticed, I'm not tossing low-frequency words indiscriminately like I used to. I am purposefully (and purposely) shifting now to a more subtle intercalation of low-frequency words. Eventually I will explain in more detail, that is all I can adumbrate for now.


Perhaps, perhaps... but these cruise ships are also docking in Brazil, in places like Rio no less, therefore the “security and safety argument” may prove to be regarded as “quite stretched”.
69 yankeeboy (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
I hear there are an awful lot of vacancies in the Hotels in BA this summer.
I guess tourists do't like to go to places that are dirty, dangerous, filled with daily protests and blackouts.
I think I told you, Axel and Think the run away inflation would doom tourism.
They told me I didn't know what I was talking about since BA is such a beautiful and unique city it will always be in demand.

Hmm looks like I am right again

Toby do you get a stomach ache every time my predictions come true?
70 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
Who the he!! goes to BA in January? Anyone in the last 100 years or so?

I hear there's lots of cheap deals for London, Paris, and Madrid this time of year, december/january... must be that those places are smelly, old, filled with daily protests and riots.
71 Simon68 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
64 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:53 pm

Tobias, my understanding is that the descision to obviate the Argentine ports on both ships was a democratic vote taken among the passengers, after the experience of the M/V Seabourn Sojourn in Bs. As., they all decided to forget Argentina and opted for Stanley and Punta Arenas!!!!!!
72 Monty69 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
64 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)

Allow me to be the first to offer you my most sincere contrafibularities! I am anaspeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulation.

By the way, is 'virue' actually a word, or just a typo? So hard to tell.
73 Idlehands (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
Hello to the sausage omitting Dr Johnsons nemesis.
74 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:33 pm Report abuse

If what you say is true, and lets remember, everything the antis state here is completely baseless and never has any actual news links behind them (unlike my asseverations), then it is as I stated @60.

Those cruise ships that go to the Falklands are most likely hot-beds of Argentine hatred, thus why have those people in the country anyway?
75 HansNiesund (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
So a gang of non-governmental thugs board a ship and hold it to ransom. Isn't there a word for that?
76 Terence Hill (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
64 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

Careful with the verbal diarrhea you don't soil your self.
77 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
Ahh, waking up to another breakfast of “Stupid K”.

Well done Carnival !!

Glad you will not allow yourselves to be intimidated.
78 Britninja (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
Lol I seriously doubt the average cruise customer is a seething hate-filled fanatic, Tobi, that's more the Argentine way of things ;) All people on a cruise want is some nice scenery, a comfortable voyage and not to be beaten to a pulp by government sponsored thugs. Not such a demanding list is it?
79 War Monkey (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
@64 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:53 pm

My favourite bit is 'jejune fibs'.

Toby. The use of obsolete vocabulary lifted from a comedy thesaurus doesn't make you look intelligent. I'm afraid THAT horse has bolted.

And IF there are any law suits it will be against the Argentinian port authorities for profesional nonfeasance. That means neglect by the way, not that your Micky Mouse outfit would take any notice of it.
80 Monty69 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
Quite a lot of cruise ship passengers are Argentines. Most of the rest are Americans and Europeans of fairly advanced years who probably never gave Argentina much thought until someone tried to impound their ship. I bet they're thinking about you now. You must be very proud.
81 BritishLion (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
Well, I was sitting here thinking, 12/12/12 and the world is still ticking along, no major disaters or commets about to strike and end our world as we know it...then, I read this news and realised what a wonderful thing 'hindsight' really is. It was easy to tell future and what would happen when the thugs went on their rampage, pay back...the only ones blind to it were the Malvanistas who thought they had won the economic war to beat the Falklands into economic submission, WRONG! There are a lot of idiot Malvanistas nursing their gunshot wounds to their foot. Its what they deserve 100%, I hope the Cruise business stays away for as long as it takes to teach them a lesson in manners and business ethics.
82 Monty69 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
Nostrolldamus The 2nd can't answer just now. He's too busy looking up 'pericombobulation' in his dictionary.
83 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
To recapitulate, those cruise ships are bêtes noires.
84 yankeeboy (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
Less and less U$ flowing into the country mean they have ot make up for it through import purchases.

What do you think they will put on the list this month to make up for it.

Insulin, Cancer drugs, syringes, medical gloves...hmm I wonder
85 slattzzz (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
@68 these ships do dock in Rio but they don't get boarded by mindless thugs that throw threats around, they unlike you are not stupid enough to undermine their own jobs and those around them who make a living from the cruise liner industry. Why don't you just stop the thesaurus shite and admit the whole thing is a major cock up on Argentinas part. You pretend to be clever when in fact your thick as pig s*^t.
86 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:01 pm Report abuse

We are taking on the EU, USA, Japan, China, Mexico, Australia, and Mercosur (Brazil), in trade and you think we can't take on some cruise ship.

The economy is secondary to principle.

When will you people understand all argentines will DIE before being subjugated by the rest of the world. Move along now.
87 Pirate Love (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
and once more.....HAHAHAHAHAHhaaaahaahaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

argentina what a joke!!!
88 M_of_FI (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:05 pm Report abuse

Move along now? It is Argentina's Government that has caused this whole situation, a situation you lauded! And now that is has backfired completely, you want everyone just to “move along now” as you believe it is not an why put everyone in this situation in the first place?
89 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
Latest FI related news...

'MAKE “LATIN AMERICAN FORUM for sovereignty in the Falklands”.'

'Argentineans seeking 'one outcome' from Falklands talks'

'Argentine Ambassador in Bolivia calls daily for Falklands'
90 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:15 pm Report abuse

Where haseth redounded upon us negatively? Encore, two vessels out of a century and at least two score? Ridibund.
91 Monty69 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
90 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

92 andy65 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 2nd Do you have to work hard at talking such bollocks on a daily bases or does it come naturally??

93 Condorito (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
Punta Arenas - a much more attractive city than USH.
94 andy65 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus Says, When will you people understand all argentines will DIE before being subjugated by the rest of the world. Move along now.

But it is an Argentine who is now winging so does he not count

The president of the Ushuaia Chamber of Tourism, Marcelo Lietti, as he did earlier this year, warned that the implementation of the Gaucho Rivero Law is having an economic impact on the local tourism industry and related activities.
95 Monty69 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
86 Nostrolldamus The 2nd
'When will you people understand all argentines will DIE before being subjugated by the rest of the world. Move along now'

What a truly contemptible thing to say.
This situation came about because you were trying to subjugate us.
And when it doesn't work, you start your 'everybody hates us but we don't care' routine.
Contemptible. Why don't you try explaining it to all the poor sods whose businesses are going to suffer as a result of this? On second thoughts, don't; I doubt you could manage it without trying to shift the blame onto us.
96 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
Well it is ocularly pellucid my asseverations have ensued the augured fulminations and vituperations of the exasperated and despondent. I shall eschew further colloquy athwart this electronic medium until that time which the oafs and dunces have consolated themselves and their irrepresible élan against the Argentine. I will hone my IQ further during this time. Adieu.
97 Usurping Pirate (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
@68 : All argentines will die before being subjugated ?
You HAVE been subjugated , by a corrupt mafia that owns you lock stock and barrel .You sold out for a choripan , a note book and an out of date thesaurus .
God , you are pathetic .
98 andy65 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
As I always say

99 Rufus (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
@86 Nostril

”We are taking on the EU, USA, Japan, China, Mexico, Australia, and Mercosur (Brazil), in trade and you think we can't take on some cruise ship.“

Of course you can ”take on some cruise ship”, once. The problem is when you then expect that cruise ship to come back, especially when there are ports in countries that welcome them instead of letting them be illegally boarded very close by.

It's not so much a steep learning curve as a brick wall that you're running into.
100 atk357 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:39 pm Report abuse
Is CFK trying to re-define the term “insanity”? ...what goes around comes around....
101 Pirate Love (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:39 pm Report abuse
those Argies posters wanting “Isolation”, you are getting it, but to point the finger and whinge about being isolated through your own actions thats just stupidly rude!

and very Argentine!!!! :)))))) more please!
102 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
@95 They don't want to subjugate you, they want you to leave. I understand the MOD keeps the villages of Imber and Tyneham available for just such a contingency.
103 andy65 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
Did Crissy really believe these huge companies would just bow and scape to her demands?? these people have a choice where they can dock there ships,it's them doing you (Argentina) a favour bringing business to your ports.
104 Simon68 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
86 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:01 pm

“When will you people understand all argentines will DIE before being subjugated by the rest of the world.”

You've done it again, Tobias, speak for yourself, don't presume to speak for all Argentines!!!!!

As for us ”taking on the EU, USA, Japan, China, Mexico, Australia, and Mercosur (Brazil),” What a load of absolut BS, we can't even take on the Falkland Islanders!!!!!!
105 KFC de Pollo (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
Montevideo > Stanley > Punta Arenas.

Who wouldn't want to go to the largest city in the south and you get to travel between all those islands. Much nicer than the bile spouted by the Argentine governments henchmen.

I feel sorry for the Ushuaians but you get what you vote for!
106 andy65 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
You should all be use to this crap from Nostrolldamus The 2nd an Argentine grease ball
107 LEPRecon (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
Tobias you seem to be foaming atte mouth as your posts get ever more silly and desperate.

It really is quite amusing. But as I said earlier, you are getting the isolation that you so desire. You deserve it, unfortunately the innocent Argentine workers who lose their livihood that don't deserve it.
108 andy65 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
I don't feel sorry for them as KFC de Pollo rightly points out you get what you vote for.
109 ElaineB (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
@104 TTT can't help it. He has NPD. He can't function in society so he wishes it for everyone.

The end of the current government and the crazy President cannot come soon enough for the Argentines sick of the damage she is doing to the country.
110 CJvR (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
“...thus why have those people in the country anyway?”

Because they spend money, stupid. And if they hate you, well that is simple - charge extra!
111 Monty69 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
102 Doveoverdover
The point is not what they intend, but that this is a consequence of their actions and not a manifestation of a global anti- Argentine conspiracy.
112 Trunce (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 06:47 pm Report abuse

Do you have a response to the topic of the thread?
113 ElaineB (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
@110 They do that already. One price for Argentines from the province, a higher tariff for Argentines from other provinces and a much higher price for foreigners. The prices are clearly displayed. But, you are right, they could double those foreigner charges if they want to drive away business.
114 Raven (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 06:56 pm Report abuse
@ Nostroll

You are beginning to sound like Humphrey Appleby.

Trouble is, despite this increase in wordiness, your answers are increasingly verbose and lacking in substance.

Mainly because your posts are like a vacuum prepared bell jar, full of emptiness.

I now nominate you to play the Frogstar robot in the xmas edition of H2G2. You seem perfect for the part. ;)
115 Clyde15 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
You will have to find an IQ before you can start honing it.
116 Pirate Love (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
@102 they dont need to leave thats their home,
along with their homes, their right to self-determination will also be defended.

wanting and getting are two different things, and wanting will be forever an albatross around Argentinas neck.

117 Monty69 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
73 Idlehands
Indeed ;-)
118 briton (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 07:09 pm Report abuse
Was it not so long ago that these argie indocronoughts were laughing at the fact some liners were not going to call at the Falklands?
And now it’s the other way around,
Trying desperately to up hold the defence and indignity of their empress,

Not content with shooting themselves in each foot,
Now they do it in the brain cells .lol.
119 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
Anyone seen Think? He was rubbing our noses in the ships not calling into Stanley.
120 andy65 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
I THINK think might have thrown in the towel
121 briton (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
or at least, Thinking about it.

we think.
122 ChrisR (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
102 Doveoverdover

You are a cunning stunt over this bollocks. Now I know you are an argie, albeit a highly educated one.

I happen to know that Imber Village and Tyneham Village are both in their own separate LFR's for tanks and other equipment firing 0.50 cal BMG or greater for rounds of all current type.

Not quite what happens on the FFR in Canada but cheaper to operate.

I suppose that next you will be telling us that Epynt Ranges have German Village reserved as well?

Must try harder I am afraid.
123 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
I think it's OK to by-pass Argentina.
Calling in at Brasil, Uruguay, the Chile tip and TFI makes a superb round trip - especially with the casino add-on.

But the cruise ships will return to BA once the situation has stabilised.

Stabilisation will probably involve the hounding-out of CFK and the peronistas.
We will probably see many of the same faces in the subsequent administration, but they will deny their previous involvement or say they were pressured into acting so disastrously.

The big beasts do not go away, they just change their spots;
power, once tasted, is hard to give up.
124 Think (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
(119) Joe Bloggs

Let’s keep things in perspective……………,,,,,,,,,,,,,…….. Shall we?

1) The Seabourn Sojourn “by-passed” Ushuaia after being politely told, by the Argentinean authorities, that they were not longer welcomed.....

2) The MS Veendam “by-passed” Ushuaia on the same da, to avoid being “confused” with the Seabourn Sojourn by the Gaucho Rivero Welcome Committee......

3) The MS Veendam went on and “by-passed” Puerto Estanley, Malvinas and is now on route to her next destination…: Puerto Madryn, Chubut (Home of El Think), Argentina.

(102) Mr. McDod
Absolutely correct………
We want you Brits to leave……
Kindly leave the keys hanging on the door locks…....

Thanks for your visit
Hasta nunca…;-)
125 Pugol-H (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
Uruguay, the Falklands and Chile work at gaining cruise ship business, while at least some elements in Argentina are prepared to sacrifice it on the altar of Malvanisium.

You have to spare a thought for the people whose livelihood depends on this business, especially as now the horse appears to have already bolted.

With ports in other countries competing to get their business, the cruise lines are not going to be pushed around, and as the article points out, as an industry they are more than capable acting in concert when they want to.

96 Nostrolldamus The 2nd
A course in modern (that’s contemporary to you) English might help, as the purpose of speaking any language is to communicate. Unless of course you plan to go on the TV show Countdown.
126 agent999 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
@124 Think
More misdirection on your part
The MS Veendam was not scheduled to stop at Port Stanley, its schedule is/was:-
Punta Arenas
Puerto Madryn
Buenos Aires
Rio de Janeiro
127 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
These wretched, asinine, benighted FOOLS. They believe cruise ships will simply “skip” Argentina as if “Chile”, “Uruguay”, “Brazil”, or “Falklands”, are meet and felicitious replacements. Such talk betokens the inscrutable lack of understanding of the antis.

Going to South America without visiting Buenos Aires, Iguazu Falls, the Whale watching sanctuary of Port Madryn/Valdez Peninsula, Perito Moreno Glacier, or saying you were in “Ushuaia” (where are the replacements for all of those in Chile, Uruguay, or the Falklands)... is like going to Europe and saying you skipped Paris, and having gone to the UK and visiting Cardiff but not London.

Beyond hilarious.
128 Think (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
Some British Turnips, in this case No.: (126) can’t even keep with the news……

”The incident prompted two cruise ships, owned by German and Dutch companies (Carnival vessel AIDAcara and Holland America ship Veendam), to cancel scheduled calls on the Falklands……”

What a Turnip.....
129 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:35 pm Report abuse

Ah, Think. How was your tour today?
130 Shed-time (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
@127 don't get upset just because watching argentina is like watching a pig light a fire, disembowel itself, poke a stick into it's @rse, jump onto two well placed uprights, and then flap it's feet in order to rotate over the fire.

It's just unbelievable how things seem to work over there. Gosh, it's fun to watch.
131 slattzzz (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
The MS Veendam “by-passed” Ushuaia on the same da, to avoid being “confused” with the Seabourn Sojourn by the Gaucho Rivero Welcome Committee......
Shows how thick they / you are then it's a different fookin colour to start with
132 ElaineB (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
You can see the Iguazu falls from the Brazilian side. Buenos Aires is lovely in a faded, has been way. I like it but I doubt people visiting for one day would be sad about skipping it if they feel threatened. Puerto Madryn is not an attractive place and, you are right, people go for the whale watching (often cancelled in high winds) and the penguins but they are not unique to Argentina. You can see glaciers in Chile.

It may be hard for you to believe but many people enjoy seeing South America without visiting Argentina. The country has been very good at marketing tourism there, even rehabilitating the reputation of the gauchos to make them a tourism figure. But tourists are holidaying. They don't need to go to places where they feel threatened or unwelcome. That hard-won market share can easily be lost if Fat-Max's thugs continue their silly games.
133 redpoll (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
Is nostril bumbastic , I mean bombastic?
As for our Dover admiral perhaps he should do a Louis Vernet and repossess St Kilda Island and claim it for dispossesed exciled Malvinas Islanders (wherever they are) and claim it as a penal colony for Argentina and call it New Sangatte?
Really admiral I didnt know you had been playing boats on Salisbury Plain. Imber indeed! Perhaps you should read Goldsmiths Deserted Village ; and do a recce of the available accomodation which I seem to remember is only the church
Thanks Simon for your comment on the illegal immigrants ,ie the American Brook trout which think is off exterminating. I wondered who was going to take that mistake of his up!
134 Shed-time (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
I'd be thinking insurance companies will be kneeling on people's heads anytime now saying 'POLITICAL RISK EQUALS BIGGER PREMIUMS FRUCKER'... and then dribbling some spittle onto their cheek, before walking away whistling 'all that she wants' by ace of base.
135 Islander1 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
Think, Actually Holland America stated yesterday that they are rethinking and revising future itinteraries - having chopped Ush out this time. Let is see where they end up next few cruises eh? They probabay chose the soft option of omitting Stanley this time as they are coommitted and cannot get out at short notice - of this cruise ending in BA, and did not want their pax to suffer like the Seabourn ones did.
Seabourn have stated that for their remaining cruises this summer - 2 more I think - both Ush and BA will be avoided - Stanley will be visited.
Both these lines are part of the Carnival Cruise group - expect to see more cruise revisions by the others over the next 24-48 hours. Which way - we will see.
Allowing those brownshirst on in BA past security was a serious breach by the Arg authorities of International Maritime Laws and Rules regarding Health and Safety of passengers etc.
Yet your Pres appeals to the similar Int bodies over the Libertad etc? - it really is hilarious!
136 slattzzz (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
@128 why are you posting reports from 26th nov things have moved on a bit from then, some people (supposedly clever) just can't keep up, REF: MS Veendam look up it's intinery it was never programmed to visit the Falklands. And ref AIDAcara I think things might change in her respect seeming as P&O Cruises (British) hold a share in the company.
137 Captain Fantastic (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
There must be an opening for someone to open or lead tours to the 4th reich. It would appeal to homosexuals, paedophiles, overweight bullies and mummies boys. Not my cup of tea though. At least they'd all be in one place.
138 Think (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
(133) redpoll

As you can read below, I said that the Salvelinus Fontinalis was “Native American”
114 Think Dec 09th, 2012
(111) redpoll
Sorry to dissapoint you......., but my personal favourite and the one I catch most is the Native American Brook Trout......

100% Native American….
From “La Patria Grande”, Mate….
I don't make mistakes when fly fishing.......
Boy…...... You just swallowed my “Red Humpy” ;-)
139 lsolde (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
@102 DoD,
Feel free to return to Spain, or wherever your family emigrated from, whenever you want to.
Unfortunately for you malvinistas, we're not going anywhere that you'd like us to. We are staying in OUR(NOT your)land.
Get used to it.
@124 Think, aka Chief Squatting Turnip,
What you want & what you get are two different things entirely, old chap.
Hard cheese mate. See answer to your gooooooood mate Dod, above.
140 agent999 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
@128 Think the plonker
If you look at the published itinerary:-
South America Cruise with M/S Veendam - 13 Days from Valparaiso to Buenos Aires, departure 03/12/2012
you will find that it was not scheduled to stop at Port Stanley.
141 slattzzz (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
@140 that don't matter to his wierd way of thinking. He still hasn't noticed my comment about them being different colours thick t*”t
142 Think (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
Correct, Turnip (140)

After having, in November, cancelled all their scheduled stops at Puerto Estanley, the Veendam has no scheduled stops at Puert Estanley.....

Nobody can fool you?...... Huhhhhhh?
143 agent999 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
it was even a British registered ship - the Veendam is registered in the Netherlands !
144 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
'Perez Esquivel warned on concern U.S. military presence -
Buenos Aires, Dec 12 (Prensa Latina) The Nobel Peace Prize Adolfo Perez Esquivel warned here about the disturbing presence in Latin America of U.S. military bases that could be used by NATO member countries.
According to the Washington Treaty, all military bases of a NATO member state can be used in the framework of their missions, which means that U.S. facilities in Latin America are possible bases of that block, even if not officially display their Badge said. This, said the president of the Peace and Justice Service in Argentina - also includes our Malvinas Islands, a British military base. Pérez Esquivel gave the warning in a statement on the subject of starting here on Thursday, the Conference Intercontinental “Peace, disarmament and social alternatives to NATO Global”, which will bring together human rights organizations in Latin America, the U.S. and Europe. The forum, he said, is “an important space for discussion proposals for recovery resistance of our sovereignty, our rights, our resources and our future. ” Let's not forget that many people, subjected by fear to freedom, end up becoming permissive to the injustices and being dominated by those who believed that they would guarantee his safety, recalled the Nobel Peace Prize.'
145 Think (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
“It wasn't”, Turnip (143), “it wasn't”
Try to write in English!
146 agent999 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
Sorry plonker for my badest English.
147 slattzzz (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
well I've just been through Veendams itinery for the year and she was never programmed for the Falklands, and that was issued in Jan 2012
148 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
'The CGT called for respect Gaucho Rivero Law -
The Central of Workers (CGT) - Regional Ushuaia, reaffirmed his stance to defend the “inalienable rights on maritime spaces” and claimed the “prohibition of permanence, mooring, procurement or logistics operations flag vessels or UK convenience that perform operations in the Malvinas basin ”under Law No. 852, called Gaucho Rivero...'
149 slattzzz (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
anyway none if it matters a jot after today they will not be visiting rgenweener again for the foreseeable future
150 yankeeboy (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
Last week wasn't THINK calling everyone whiners due to some other cruise liner mishap?

What comes around goes around.

Now I hear the Barley crop is as bad as the wheat...can you make soy pasta and bread???

They say there is a dust bowl in the best farmland that could last for years and years due to eh warming Atlantic.

let BA drown and the farmland wither

Without farming what is left?

I think w/o the IMF blessing the cars mfgs will pack up and go to Brazil too

Patacones para todos
151 nigelpwsmith (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
There will be a lot of Argentine unemployed cursing Kretina after this development. The other cruise lines will follow suit to ensure the safety of their passengers, whilst Chile will reap the benefits of additional visits.

Kretina, Maximo and the thugs have hastened the revolution. When people start starving because they've been thrown out of work, they tend to start taking action against the people responsible. I would not be surprised to hear of a coup d'etat very soon.
152 Britworker (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
I'm sure all the homosexuals working in the Police, the Fire Service, the NHS and the Armed Services keeping you safe this Christmas, really appreciate your disgusting comments!
153 KFC de Pollo (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 11:12 pm Report abuse
@127 How many cruise ships head to Iguazu Falls?

Beyond hilarious.
154 Shed-time (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
@144 can someone explain to me how that Perez chap got a nobel peace prize again? The guy is clearly suffering from monomania about the 'malvinas' and has no capacity to understand that Argentina do not own the islands. People died to make this fact clear.

His bothering the situation is not making it at all peaceful. Well done Norway, you bag of suicidal sheisters for endowing him with that seemingly misplaced honour.
155 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 01:42 am Report abuse

You know what the most amusing hamartia about you is, “Elaine”? The fact that you are perhaps the most vociferous, persistent critic of mine in regards to what you claim is my penchant to foist personal viewpoints as apodictically applicable to all Argentines.

Yet you are constantly found culpable of this very same accusation, as we clearly observe at @132. So, if I may utilize your own home medicine, what you wrote is nothing more than your tendentious opinion, and not necessarily shared by anyone else.
156 Millet (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 03:15 am Report abuse
Well it has come to this. Argentina is down to pure trash. Anyway, Chlie is certainly happy to have the business. Argentina... trash is as trash does. - Millet USA
157 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 03:27 am Report abuse
I would like you to show us a map with the country of Chlie... is that near Clipperton Island?
158 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 05:36 am Report abuse
I bet that the passengers of the Seabourn Sojourn are not very happy after their cruise was not welcomed in Ushuaia. I hope they have fun in windy Malvinas.
159 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 06:10 am Report abuse
@158 MA
“I bet that the passengers of the Seabourn Sojourn are not very happy after their cruise was not welcomed in Ushuaia”

They'll be safe, and won't get robbed. They'll enjoy the company of wonderful friendly people, who are happy to have them there.

Better than the t-shirt stalls and pick-pockets of the Argentine tourist trap.
160 Diddles (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 07:19 am Report abuse
To Nostral, Marcos, and other foolish Peronistas, well done fools, keep up the good work. Argentina becomes a bigger joke every day thanks to the efforts of people like yourselves. BTW, for anyone considering a trip to the far south of South America, check out the many attractions on the Chilean side, including Puerta Montt and the Lakes district, the Chilean fjords, Torres del Paine and on...and yes, Punta Arenas is a very attractive destination too.
161 lsolde (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 09:22 am Report abuse
@158 Marcos,
Where are these “windy malvinas”? Can't find them on any map.
Do you mean the Maldives? Are they windy?
162 M_of_FI (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
@158 Marcos

If the Falklands environment is not to your liking (“windy M******s”), why do you dedicate so much time and effort in your cyber warfare in trying to assist your country to capture the islands? I take it that you wouldn't live there if Argentina colonised the place? So what is the point of your obsession?
163 Monty69 (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 01:57 pm Report abuse

Oh dear. And these cruises weren't even going to the Falklands either.
164 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:02 pm Report abuse

It means the ban on all British ships from Argentina is working as planned. That is the law.
165 Monty69 (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
164 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

No it isn't. Read it again.
166 Terence Hill (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
164 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

Just like you planned all along, brilliant.
167 Orbit (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
Whilst we are on the subject of ships ... here's a link to one of the ILOST proceedings transcripts .... apologies if its been seen before but if not, enjoy!

If you don't have time to read, here's the synopsis:

1. Argentina are talking cr*p.
2. They are talking cr*p in the wrong forum.
3. They could be talking cr*p in the right forum (court of appeal in Ghana) but are not, and certainly not doing so urgently, in a case they claim is urgent in this forum.
168 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:14 pm Report abuse

I don't have time for guessing games. I'm sure the cruise industry will suffer significantly when the customers find out their “South American” tour skips 1/5 of the landmass of South America.

Watch the profits for the industry go down.
169 WestisBest (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
168 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

I thought you said that cruise ships were full of people who hated Argentina and wouldn't want to visit anyway.
170 Orbit (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
@168 - so everybody (port businesses, passengers, cruise operators) loses ? Wow, great result.
171 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
I overestimated the intelligence of all of you, again: I believed context made it perspicuous that I was reffering to the percentage of ships that offered “legs” in the Falklands, not to the entirety of the cruises, and that I stated such caveat expressly.

I should have perhaps added that most ships around bound to havre argie haters because most of the passengers are human, after all.
172 Simon68 (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
171 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:23 pm

What a fascinating statement: “... that most ships around bound to havre argie haters because most of the passengers are human, after all.”

Are you saying that most human beings hate Argentina????

What the hell have we done to deserve that?????

As a matter of a fact, supposing that we ARE human beings, your theory is wrong, because at the very least somewhere in the region of 40 million Argentines probably rather like themselves!!!!!!
173 Terence Hill (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
164 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

Therefor, most humans are Argie haters?
174 yankeeboy (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Toby, Cruise ships don't stop in dangerous ports. The Argentinian thugs who boarded the ship put the passengers at risk. There is no other way to look at this.
The ships can add other destinations and sell out. Nobody will miss Argentina except the RGs will certainly miss the U$. What do you think they won't allowed to be imported because of this? Syringes? Diapers?
I wonder
175 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:49 pm Report abuse

Checked the countries trying to flood us with their products through the tyranny of the WTO?
176 yankeeboy (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
Tyranny of the WTO

You can' t make this stuff up!


FYI Argentina is using the same WTO to try to get their poisons lemons and tainted beef into the USA.

177 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 04:02 pm Report abuse
175 Tito The Clown Troll

LOL!!!!! YET AGAIN you get a public spanking!!!

Instead removing your foot from your mouth, you change the subject........

Seriously, have you had your tetinus shots???
178 reality check (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
Love all this posturing about them suffering for the National Cause, then they bugger off and borrow 6.5bill from the IDB!!!!!!
179 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
'Argentine Thuggery at Home and Abroad'

'Cruise ship row 'strangling' Falkland Islands'
180 Islander1 (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
Think. P&O just announced they are axing Argentina as a destination likewise - good news for you and Christina?
181 Think (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
(163) Monty69

Lets’s keep things in perspective…....................…. Shall we?

The few cruises that have, for the time being cancelled their Argentinean leg represent, of course, a loss…. A small, acceptable loss…. A loss of ~0,005 – 0,01 % of the Argentinean GDP..... at worst.

On the other hand, the cancelled Cruises to the Malvinas Islands amount for a 15% - 20% of them Islands GDP!

As the excellent article that poster (179) Steve-32-uk has had the kindness of finding to us, says…:

”Around a quarter of the working population of the Falkland Islands is directly involved in cruise ship tourism, which is worth an estimated £10m to its economy.”

”Hattie Kilmartin, who runs the Sea Cabbage Cafe, a museum and a penguin tour at Bluff Cove Lagoon, said the islands have already lost 80 per cent of projected income this season.”

“But the outlook is bleak….. MS Veendam (was) due to make 10 trips to the Falklands – representing a quarter of all cruise passengers to the islands - but the latest cancellations have put those trips in doubt. This week Holland America removed references to the Falklands from its website…..”

Perspective my dear fellow fisherwoman…...............… perspective.
182 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
@181 Think

I take no pleasure from this saga, families from Argentina and the FI are losing their livelihoods. This RG state sponsored hooliganism is pathetic and sick. The RG Govt. are screwing their own people, so long as they hurt some of the FI's.
But ultimately 'Think' it won't bring you any nearer to achieving your colonial ambitions, and it makes your country look retarded.
183 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
Hasn't the UK refrained from Iranian oil? Isn't that hurting both UK families paying higher prices and Iranians?

Quite retarded indeed.
184 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
Your figures are nonsense. The cruise ships that cancelled do not represent 15-20% of FI GDP. That is simply utter rubbish and you know it.

That may or may not be the case but you really should post it on a suitable Blog somewhere that is addressing the issue. This thread is dealing with the cancellation and reconfiguration of cruise-line itineraries in the South Atlantic.
185 Think (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
(182) Steve-32-uk


That's your opinion and you are,of course, entitled to it......
As I am entitled to disagree with it...
It doesen't make you look “retarded”.
It doesn't make us look “retarded”.

El Think, Chubut, Patagonia Argentina.
186 stick up your junta (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
Around a quarter of the working population of the Falkland Islands is directly involved in cruise ship tourism, which is worth an estimated £10m to its economy.”

750 Falklanders sitting waiting for a cruise ship,Think do you reckon they might have a second job?
187 Think (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
(184) Joe Bloggs

You say:
Your figures are nonsense. The cruise ships that cancelled do not represent 15-20% of FI GDP. That is simply utter rubbish and you know it.

I say:
I stand corrected....
You are, of course, right...
I just got overenthusiastic and I know it.....
The cruise ships that cancelled do not represent 15-20% of MI GDP......

Not yet............. ;-)
188 andy65 (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
Looks like old Nostrolldamus The 2nd and his lover Think are out in force which is understandable after the type of hairy Argentine women on offer in BAs
189 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
'The Chamber of Deputies of the province of Buenos Aires passed a bill granting a distinguished social pension annuity to former conscripts combatants and civilians who participated in the Falkland Islands War.'

'Pérez Esquivel urges rethink the concept of sovereignty'
190 yankeeboy (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
TDF is having a tough week, 1st this now, Delphi (GM) laid off 500 workers this week.

Anyone want to bet that if IMF kicks Arg out all the car mfgs make for the borders too?
191 Islander1 (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
Think- dont get over excited! Of those who work here in the shipbourne tourism industry at least 50% have full time jobs elsewhere - they take a PAID day Holiday off their employer - and earn some extra cash as a guide or a driver! yes they have missed that bit of extra cash so far this summer- but that is all! Of the rest they mostly have part time jobs/businesses at least elsewhere, so again - they take a bigger hit, but can survive and many are on a pension anyway. Not many rely 100% on shipborne tourism.
So far we have lost 4 ships - one of those days was a gale so in reality all you have achieved to date is 3 ships lost to us - BUT - it is looking like Arg is going to loose a LOT MORE - and all we will loose for the rest of the summer is looking like just the bad weather ones which are inevitable.
You want to really find out how it will affect Argentina - phone your contrymen and women in the main tourist ports?

Oh and Hattie mentioned 80% of her anticipated Nov income only - and that is never a big month as early season.
192 andy65 (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
@Islander1 Just looking at the hate and spitefulness of all of this makes me sick, would Argentina behave like this to a well armed neighbour with a population matching there own,please take a look at the delighful Madame Alicia Castro sitting rather uncomfortable talking bollocks,she states We Argentines are a friendly people what she doesn't say how vindictive they can be if things don't go there way, come to Argentina and see there is a direct flight-bollocks there is no direct flight from The UK this woman talks stupid and to think she represents her country the news anchor certainly rapped rings around her,pity she had to keep looking at scraps of paper to get her point across what a fool just like her Sister SS hitler Cristina Kirchner
193 Pete Bog (#) Dec 13th, 2012 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
Bring on the Falkland Island's deep water port-this will hasten the demise of Ushaia-shame for the people needing jobs there but if Tierra del Fuego is sensible enough to declare independence from Argentina, then resulting trade from the Falklands could benefit. Besides apart from the Amerindians, the Brits were first into Ushaia-so according to Argentine logic, it's British.
194 yankeeboy (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:38 am Report abuse
Think assumes everyone is as lazy as Argentinians.
Give us a new meaning to waiting around for their ship to come in.
tee hee
195 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:53 am Report abuse
In this interview the pensioner x flight attendent now Argentine ambassadore to the UK part of the complete rubbish she talks she actually acuses The Falkland Islanders of antagonising Argentina,how can that be so.
This woman needs to go back home and reture she is such an embarrasment
196 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:54 am Report abuse
@191 Islander

I feel no remorse for CFK and her thugs, but the people of the Argentine ports will suffer.

Not too sure what Dame Dover will do this summer. I'm sure his 'retired RN' persona will miss the extra $$$ he usually earns as a deckhand or one of those colourful local guides.
He should get a few coins in his tin cup spouting his usual blarney and seafaring yarns, to the elderly cruise tourists.

:- )
197 lsolde (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:40 am Report abuse
@196 Troy,
Ha ha. lol
198 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:59 am Report abuse
@196 Plenty of cruise ships in Dover to keep me in rum, thankee.
199 agent999 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:30 am Report abuse

Plenty of ferries - but no cruise ships
200 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 10:05 am Report abuse
@199 As a matter of fact, Dover has two docks currently working. The Eastern Dock serves the Cross Channel trade, the Western Docks serve cruise ships.

Not that I need a website, since I can see one from my window.
201 agent999 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:52 am Report abuse
I don't need a website either, you might however need a trip to Specsavers.

There are no more scheduled cruises from Dover until the end of March !

If you really want to check try
202 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
You may also be wrong for a second time in the space of two posts.
203 agent999 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:42 pm Report abuse
And I may not be!
204 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
So, what you meant was that while Cruise ships do turnaround at Dover and lie alongside in the low season, at this moment in time there are no Cruise ships with beacons operating. You may well be right after all.
205 Simon68 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
200 Doveoverdover (#)
Dec 14th, 2012 - 10:05 am

“Not that I need a website, since I can see one from my window.”

Definetly a trip to Specsavers is indicated!!!!!
206 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
It's even funny the second time someone says it.
207 ChrisR (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
206 Doveoverdover

But what about my post at 122.

Cat got your tongue?
208 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
@207 Is that another rhetorical question? Still, if you were expecting an answer here is one just for you and the entire English speaking world. No I won't be telling you that because it's absolutely tip-top secret, OK?
209 Think (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
(200) Mr McDod

Just one?
That excludes Waterloo Crescent then….
210 agent999 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
Surely you mean Mornington Crescent ?
211 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
Neither have sufficient grounds for Nelson and Gibson,
212 ChrisR (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
208 Doveoverdover

“No I won't be telling you that because it's absolutely tip-top secret, OK?”

So I am correct.
213 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
Yes, you are correct. Now please go away.
214 Think (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
(211) Mr McDod

That leaves Aycliffe out too ;-)
215 agent999 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
You must mean Baker Street
216 Pete Bog (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
Funny how the Argentines claim the Falklands Islands is a 'global' issue, then cruise firms who send their ships to different countries including the Falkland Islands (ie operate globally)are told which countries they can and cannot visit if they wish to use Argentine ports, thus deglobalising them. So to continue to operate globally they give Argentina a miss. Clearly then the Falkland ilsands cannot be a global issue. they are in fact to Argentina, a local issue.
217 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
@216 I understand the Argentinian view is that the removal of all visible remnants of the former global British Empire is a global issue (i.e. something which is a goal of many other States around the globe; many ex colonies themselves) that happily, for them, coincides with their own very local concern in the Falkland Islands. There is some support for this view at the UN in this the Third Decade of Decolonisation.
218 St.John (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:46 am Report abuse
Just as I predicted a couple of weeks ago:

Drop Buenos Aires, use Montevideo as base port - a small cruise ship with 700 passengers on a 15 day cruise spends app 840,000 US$ on supplies in base port (food, drink, etc.) and a 1,000 passenger cruise on 21 days spends more than 1.5 million. Multiply by 20 cruises - they must be dancing from joy in Uruguay.

Imagine if the Argentine government gets the bright idea to send the thugs to Montevideo - what will the Uruguayan police do?
219 dab14763 (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:36 am Report abuse

But for them it's ok for the French and Dutch to keep remnants of theirs.
220 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:22 am Report abuse
@219 That's right. Much less, if any, global opprobrium heaped on the French and Dutch. A neutral or anti-American stance in the past has helped them there.
221 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:48 am Report abuse
(219) dab14763 217

You say:
”But for them it's ok for the French and Dutch to keep remnants of theirs….”

I say:
That’s because the Frogs (both French and Dutch) have always behaved nicely down here…
Les Goddam Brittunculi Rooineks on the other hand, have always behaved as a bunch of Haughty Bloody Bastards…..
222 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:19 am Report abuse
There we are. It isn't colonialism per se that gets the back up of a certain type of foreigner. Instead it's the ruthless success of the 19th Century British nation in capitalising on its internal political and economic liberalisation to exploit industrialisation and achieve a global presence. We 21st Century Britons are lucky to be able to bask in the fading afterglow of Empire but some people still resent even that continuing good fortune and want to see it extinguished. One can understand their frustration even if you don't give a fig about it.
223 HansNiesund (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:35 am Report abuse

Dern tootin'.

And what better way to keep the back of a certain type of foreigner up, than by posing as an unreconstructed colonialist caricature of the sort that died out about 50 years ago, except in the minds of a certain type of foreigner.
224 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:59 am Report abuse
@223 Posing? Let me tell you that I choose the British Armed Forces as a career in the 1970s because by then it had become little more than a travel agency for men (and women) with unusually high sex drives. Then I discovered that by judicious management of the Appointer, a chap could still live the life of a colonial of old in places like Belize, Brunei, the Falklands, Vienna, Brussels, Freetown and, yes, New York too, courtesy of the UK MOD and the UN. So, as I was alive 50 years ago, that “sort” hasn't died out quite yet and hopefully, in my case, won't for a few years more.

Now, personal history aside, do you have anything meaningful to add to the analysis of what motivates the Argentinean Malvinista such as Sr Think?
225 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:31 am Report abuse
(222) Mr. McDod

Foreigner……? Moi…..?

Permit me to usufruct from one of the seldom opportunities to introduce a minor adjustment in your otherwise astonishingly accurate stream of information….

For any “Neutral Observer”, that common and condescended British habit of employing the term “Foreigner” for anyone, anywhere South of 49° 51′ N, would be considered as flawed, even haughty……
226 shb (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:43 am Report abuse
@221 Think - thats only because they have nothing you want.

I apply the term “foreigner” loosley to anyone from another country, and then only rarely. I usually describe people as belonging to whatever nation state/other grouping they belong to.

Most British people likewise use broadly similar language.

So that is basically a non-point that shows more about your perception of other peoples views of yourself than the reality on the ground.

Have a bit of an inferiority complex, do you?

The only thing I refer to Argentinans as ( apart form their national name) is “the enemy”, because that is what you are. Your country is no friend of ours, and goes out of it's way to remind us of that.
227 lsolde (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:57 am Report abuse
@225 Think,
There's that popular “Squatterthinkspeak” word again---haughty.
Yes, Think, you most decidedly ARE a foreigner, & a haughty foreigner at that.
We don't have much time fur furriners, don't trust 'em much with their furriner ways, by gum.(even though l be 'alf o' one meself!! lol).
You'd love to lord it over the natives, wouldn't you haughty Colonialist Think?
Well, you'll have to go elsewhere as you have no chance here.
Merry Christmas Cher Think.
228 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:06 am Report abuse
(227) lsolde

Merry Christmas to you too, Chère Isolde.....

May this be your last Christmas away from home, wherever that is......
229 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:22 am Report abuse
@225 In my day Foreigners began at Calais.
230 HansNiesund (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:39 am Report abuse
Now there's a thing, living the life of a colonial of old in Brussels, Vienna and New York. I would have thought those were just overseas postings of the sort that's commonly on offer throughout the forces, civil service, NGOs, and multinational corporations. Of any country. But if there's a myth of Empire to uphold ...

Generally speaking, I'm quite happy to recognise that what motivates and sustains Malvinistas is a profound sense of injustice. The only problems are that the Malvinista sense of injustice is almost entirely unfounded, it seeks to resolve itself by making an even bigger injustice, and the Argentine government pursues it in such a way that it can never be satisfied.

This is like something out of a Greek tragedy, and you won't find a sufficient explanation for it in either the misdoings of the British Empire or some supposed jealousy of it. You have to look at the specific national cultural and political factors which sustain it. Prominent amongst these is an unstable political system with a tendency to violence, giving rise to the need for a unifying national cause. Cue the dastardly Brits.
231 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 11:11 am Report abuse
@230 Colonial life. Do they dress for dinner, have compounds with local drivers and house staff, the power of the diplomatic pass and all at no personal cost? I think not.
232 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
(229) Mr. McDod

Evidently, I’ll have to rephrase my badly redacted comment (225) to make it understandable to ”Non Foreigners”……..

I don’t mind Britons using and abusing the term “Foreigner”, when referring to “Foreigners”.

“Foreigners” are,after all, “Foreigners” aren’t they?

What I find haughty and reprehensible is when British subjects, opining, lecturing or preaching about local issues in, for example, Belgique, Belize, Brunei, Malvinas, Österreich, Sierra Leone or the USA refer to the locals as “Foreigners”….

Do you catch my drift?
233 Leiard (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 12:51 pm Report abuse

What a load twaddle, having been based in Cyprus and Germany in the 60's and 70's, your comment of the colonial lifestyle is farcical.
Local compounds, you mean military barracks and the associated married living quarters.
234 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
Is there anyone on here apart from Think who finds ANYTHING that the great naval commander, RN retired, says to be agreeable? Anyone? Maybe another Argie? Or perhaps one of the Brits or Yanks?

I think not. Strange to be so badly out of step with everyone.
235 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
(233) Uhhhhhhh….

The “lower ranks” are awakening….

By the love of god Cmd. McDod… Don’t tell them what difference it makes to be BNRC, Etonian, Sandhurstian, or even a Dover Dukie….

Don’t tell them, Pike ;-)
236 Leiard (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
We now have to put up with noises from the rear end of the pantomime horse!
237 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
@233 I refer you to the comment @235. To which I would simply correct BNRC to BRNC and add Shrivenham (or Greenwich/Camberley/Bracknell as it was in my day).
238 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
Best things come from the rear end of the horse...... as any “Constant Gardener” would tell you.....
239 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
@238 Ah, having paused to read back through the recent posts I now see that you are objecting to being described as a foreigner in what you consider to be your own land by someone residing there that you consider to be a foreigner.

“O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us” springs to mind.

But why address your rant to the front end of the pantomime horse?
240 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
( 239) Mr McDod

Not only do I object being called “foreigner” in my own ground by some foreigners squatting on it…. I do also object being called a “foreigner” in my own soil by the foreigner overseers of the above mentioned foreigners squatting on my own land.....
241 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
@240 Getting there slowly. “It isn't colonialism per se that gets the back up of a certain type of Argentinean” would have been more acceptable to you, perhaps?
242 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse

Congratulations Mr McDod
You were right……. again :-)

“The Tribunal,


Prescribes, pending a decision by the Annex VII arbitral tribunal, the following provisional measures under article 290, paragraph 5, of the Convention:

Ghana shall forthwith and unconditionally release the frigate ARA Libertad, shall ensure that the frigate ARA Libertad, its Commander and crew are able to leave the port of Tema and the maritime areas under the jurisdiction of Ghana, and shall ensure that the frigate ARA Libertad is resupplied to that end.

Shunji YANAI
243 dab14763 (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse

'them' in 'for them' doesn't mean Argentines


They use 'foreigner' probably because they don't know any word that means 'anyone who isn't of the same nationality as me regardless of whether they are in their own country, mine, or anyone else's.
244 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
@243. Sorry, moved on to something far more interesting than mere semantics.

@242. Thanks for that and I'm pleased that the right thing is being done in ordering the release of the ship. Be it a warship or an auxiliary it is a symbol of the state and seizing it was an affront to all other states not just to Argentina. Worse, it would have set a precedent that had the potential to threaten peaceful relations between states in the future.
245 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
(244) Mr McDod

That was and is my evaluation too........
Next.... We take Manhattan....
246 Terence Hill (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
242 Think

Congratulations Argentina you must be pleased. I guessed the decision incorrectly, and fortunately there were wiser heads than mine. I suspect that after Ghana complies, she will probably ask the ICJ to review the ruling. Which they will probably ratify. It appears that the over riding concern was the avoidance of possible conflict.
247 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
All in all, a good month...
Good news from NYSE (YPF)
Good news from Hamburg (Ship)
Good news from Mexico City (Cars)
Good news from Buenos Aires (Press Law)
Good news from Puerto Estanley ( No Ships )
Good news from New York City (Vulture Funds)
More good news from Puerto Estanley ( No - Oil )
Precisely as the “Anglo Doomsday Preppers” had “Predicted” :-)

A merry Christmas to all British Squatters in Malvinas, though......
Let's hope this will be your last Chrismas away from Home, wherever that is.
248 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:12 pm Report abuse

You ain't got them there islands though has ya Think old man?

Chuckle chuckle (haughtily)
249 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
This ruling proves that to shanghai Argentina does not work (again). Perhaps the IMF and the plaintiffs at the WTO will learn their lesson.
250 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
( 248) Joe Bloggs

Nope......, we ain't gotta them Islands yet ya squatting Ol' Kelper......
But we are zeroing in....
251 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
LOL! I have to admit I do admire your sense of fantasy.

The new Bloggs Disco will be an antique and you still be zeroing in old man. I suspect you'll have handed over to the next generation of sad old Malvinista by then.

Chuckle chuckle (haughtily)

For what it's worth I'm glad you got that fine old girl out of Ghana. Just a shame your state's financial affairs are in such a state that the whole saga was possible in the first place.
252 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
Didn'tknow you were a Leonard Cohen fan, Think.
We have more in common than we both think! Apparently.
253 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
(252) The Insufferable one.....

I have always had a soft spot for good Anglo Bards....
Like this two lads .....

254 lsolde (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
@238 Think,
You're no gardener if you put horse manure on it.
Unless your horse has been grain-fed & not allowed to free range.
Best way to get a crop of assorted weeds.
Cow manure is the way to go.
You're no countryman, thats for sure.
City slicker!
@228 Think,
You won't get your Christmas wish, Cher Think.
l'll be here for many a Xmas yet.
Quite probably until you cross the great divide, anyway. ho ho ho.
@248 Joe Bloggs,
l like the haughty chuckles!
255 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
(254) Chère Isolde

Ship engineer, mother of four and still so refreshingly uncomplicated and `”down to earth””....
I didn’t just write “Gardener” dearest…. I wrote “Constant Gardener”.
Need a clue…?
Fernando Meirelles… What…? Not in your Ozzie High School dictionary, you say….?
Try “John le Carré” ……............Yeahhh; I figured he would be ;-)
256 redpoll (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
Ach Think acushla ye wee goosoon, twas real nice o ye to restore Isoldes femininity even in French! No Xmas wishes otherwise I might copy Vidkun Quislings Christmas greetings to his master
Falkland go bragh!
257 Pete Bog (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:14 am Report abuse
“A merry Christmas to all British Squatters in Malvinas, though”
And a merry christmas to the spanish/italian/european squatters in Argentina
258 Anglotino (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 03:34 am Report abuse
All in all, another bad month...
Bad news from NY with Repsol suing Chevron (YPF)
Bad news for the economy (Even higher inflation)
Bad news from Panama City (another WTO complaint)
Bad news from Buenos Aires (Press Law)
Bad news from Ushuaia (Less and less Ships)
Bad news for the most (quality of life dropping, gas clouds, floods)
More bad news as 2013 energy imports will break records (No investment)
Precisely as the “Anglo Doomsday Preppers” had “Predicted” :-)

A Merry Christmas to all Falkland Islanders...
It sure beats the hell out of the Christmas most Argentineans will experience.
259 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 03:36 am Report abuse
@255 Think

“Chère Isolde” !!!
wow, a weird kind of 'Think flirtation' .

Leather outfits and cat o' nine-tails next, Think ??

260 lsolde (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 11:42 am Report abuse
@255 Think,
Your post doesn't make much sense, but that's ok.
You put what you like on your garden, my good man.
Didn't see the film.
l don't go much on most fiction,
l find that true stories are much more interesting.
One of the reasons that l collect autobiographies.
@259 Troy Tempest,
You'll have to excuse señor Think.
He goes off on a tangent sometimes.
Hes had the malvinista injection, or been dropped on his head when he was a baby.
261 Think (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
(260) Chère Isolde

A spirit as yours must be somehow intellectually challenged in them Islands, Isolde dear…
Why on Earth would you else insist in your “Exchanges” with (using your own words) an “Old Deluded Malvinista?

Anyhow…… You say …:
”I don't go much on most fiction….l find that true stories are much more interesting”.

The ”Constant Gardener” book is based on a very TRUE story, my little buttercup.
As his author, John le Carré said…. : “As my journey through the pharmaceutical jungle progressed, I came to realize that, by comparison with reality, my story was as tame as a holiday postcard.”

The ”Constant Gardener” book is dedicated to a TRULY wonderful woman, my little honeybunch…:

Fiction…. Reality…. Where does one end….? Where does the other begin,……. carissima Isolde?

I noticed that, at (254); you didn’t define them Islands as your “Home”…
Just “Thinking” aloud………..
Where is “Home” for a Colonial Nomad?
Is there a “Home” for a Colonial Nomad?
262 redpoll (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 02:22 pm Report abuse
Watch it Isolde Think is in flirt mode. He eats African snails and he gets his hallucinations from ingesting them (see separate thread)
263 Think (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
(262) redpoll

You know what those babies cost in the USA?
Forty (40) / Fifty (50) American Dollars a Pound!

Send the Wee Ones to the fields to collect free dinner for the family, matey......
You are, after all, a Scotsman…. ain’t you?
264 redpoll (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
Och think ye wee horny golloch. Ye send me an article aboot Frenchie escargots to distract from the subject. More hallucinations? Cut back on yon African creepy beesties. Theys nae good for yer mental health
265 Think (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
Mais non, mon ami....

I send you an article about Giant African Snails (Achatina fulica) being farmed in France and sold internationally as the true delicacy they are….
Are you, by chance, one of those “Sophisticated Anglo-Yorugas” that don’t dare to eat carpincho, comadreja, cuis, lagarto overo, vizcacha,vieja de agua and other fine South American bush tucker by chance?
266 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
265 Think

So tell me Think you slippery old fool. Why is it that Uruguay and Chile won't support CFK by not allowing the cruise ships to dock in their ports? They DO support CFK, don't they?

Chuckle chuckle (with a deep haughty voice).

You say: Corvette
I (and the rest of the world) say: Frigate
But anyway, forget that. When is the Espora coming home? She's almost 30 years old. Didn't you old sea dogs read the maintenance manuals? She needs some oil from time to time. Maybe Libertad could collect her while she's over their. Put her on tow. Your oldest and your newest classes on display in one fine act of Argentine heroism.
267 redpoll (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
Oh dear Think I dont eat any of those bichos as I try to protect our native fauna from depredation and have done so for many years Cuis, Do you mean aperiaras? No viscachas this side of the Uruguay. You eat those tatues peludos that live in the carcases of dead animals also?
Really think you are giving people a very bad impression of Chubut province if you claim to represent it. Just watched a programme on CRUR entitled Chubut Infinito and I see there are a lot of people down there thinking about sustainable and holistic agriculture. So fellow posters dont run away with the idea that Mr Clunk is typical of all the folk down there
268 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
@266 It's an interesting parallel you set up there you old fibber you. Some would say that, in the RN, a frigate is a frigate but an Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) is a corvette.

You can probably already see where this is leading....

It's rather like we call a British Overseas Territory (BOT) what everyone else calls a colony.
269 Think (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
(267) redpoll

Don’t be such a “Sissy Moral Preacher”, boy…..

1) To respect nature you have to know how it tastes….

2) I would guess that the agrochemicals you use on one of your rice crops kill more wildlife than I have shot and eaten in my entire life…..

3) Have you started paying you workers pension and health contributions or do you still pay them in “black”?

Canal rural…....... Chubut Infinito…......... Huhhhhhhhh?
Small world…………….
Guess who tamed some of those Puerto Piramides Pingos with Doma India?…… ;-)

(268) Mr. McDod
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, Cmdr....
Have some mercy on Joe....
270 Monty69 (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
268 Doveoverdover
No they don't.
Anyone with any manners, (which is most people), calls us whatever we would like to be called.

Enough already. You're like a stuck record.
271 lsolde (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
@261 Think,
Thats my whole argument, Thinkus, ..............“based on a true story”............
That word again, ..........“based”.................
Almost as silly as your ridiculous “claim” to OUR lslands.
Have you been up the whisky again, Think?
You sound, er, well, flippant.
272 Anglotino (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
@268 Doveoverdover

”It's rather like we call a British Overseas Territory (BOT) what everyone else calls a colony.”

Excluding Argentina and South America's crusade against Falkland Islands, who refers to British Overseas Territories as colonies?

Some people really need to learn the definition of colony.
273 shb (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
@268 doveoverdover

What would you call them if the Argentinians ever get their hands on them - “The Argentinian occupied territories”?

A “colony”?

What about an “ethnically cleansed area” if some of the more extreme Argentinians had their way.

All those titles are much better aren't they....................not.
274 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
@272 You are one of them. The UN Political and De-Coloni-sation Committee seems a good place to start (look! UK is a member, shock horror). Instead of shooting your mouth off why not do your own research . You can start here.
275 Monty69 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 12:24 am Report abuse
274 Doveoverdover

Well that's jolly interesting. The entry for the Falkland Islands doesn't mention the word 'colony' at all.
276 Think (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 01:10 am Report abuse
(275) Monty96

Well, jolly interesting you mention that.........

That's maybe because the entry for the Falkland Islands has been written and redacted by keyboard warriors like Justin(hishead)Kuntz, aka Wee Curry Monster .............
( )
Keyboard warriors that have tried to keep that article as “Falklandista” as possible......

Luckily these Anti-Wiki elements are becoming rarer and losing their cyber battles....

I would recommend you a less biased entry:
“The name ”British Overseas Territory“ was introduced by the British Overseas Territories Act 2002, replacing the name British Dependent Territory introduced by the British Nationality Act 1981. Before 1981, the territories were known as Crown colonies.”
277 Monty69 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 01:26 am Report abuse
276 Think

Sucker. I was hoping to troll your evil twin into saying that Wiki was a load of biased nonsense but you beat him to it.

And who do you suppose wrote that semi- literate load of bollocks entitled 'Colony'?
278 Anglotino (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:32 am Report abuse
@274 & 276
OMG both Think and Doveoverdover use Wikipedia as a referencing tool.
279 Think (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 05:27 am Report abuse
277 Monty96

Wiki is NOT a load of biased nonsense as you very well know…..

Wiki is a outstanding democratization, gathering and spreading of information project, incredible successful for 99,99% of its content………

But,…… some “Contentious Political Issues” as, for example, the Malvinas, Gibraltar or Israel attract fanatical types of “collaborators” that do not want to understand the idea back Wiki….

Luckily they are an immensely little minority and tend to get tired and angry at the enormous majority and leave……. or are asked to leave…

Perfect example of the above…: British Mr. Justin(hishead)Kuntz aka Wee Curry Monster that wrote this polite farewell salute on his Wiki-User Page before being “leaved”…:
Content editors are scum, Wikipedia is not about creating an encyclopedia at all”

His above salute is, as most of his contributed info, are false….. He is still active trying to keep his Wikipedia “Holy Grails” (Gibraltar & the Malvinas Islands) as British as possible ……
280 lsolde (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 06:11 am Report abuse
@279 Think,
Thats only your(thoroughly biased)opinion, Thinkus.
Oh, and your accomplice's mis-informed opinions, also.
Most of what you pair spout, can/should be taken with a grain of salt.
Anyway, l/we don't care whether you think we are a colony or not.
lts none of your business at all.
You drink as much as you like, thats not my business either! lol
281 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:48 am Report abuse
@273 If they ever “got their hands on them” by legitimate means I wouldn't call them anything because I would be long dead. My descendents would be very likely to call them Argentina though.

Actually, I would much prefer the UK to be the UK of Great Britain (No to an Independent Scotland), Northern Ireland and the Overseas Territories (including the non-colonial Dependencies) as the effective way to decolonise. The icing on the cake would be for this new UK to be outside the EU and for the EU to replace France on the UN Security Council. But then I'm evil.

Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set;
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet....
282 Anglotino (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:04 am Report abuse
@275 Doveoverdover

Speaking of “shooting your mouth off”, for someone who painfully strives to be pedantic and sound British and educated; you pretty much missed the boat on all three

You claim ”It's rather like we call a British Overseas Territory (BOT) what everyone else calls a colony.“ and yet when challenged, you come back with a Wikipedia entry…

WIKIPEDIA?! My God, universities in my country won't even accept wikipedia entries as source material. For very good reason.

And the UN? Where do they clearly state that the Falkland Islands are a colony? Because they use ”De-Coloni-sation“. It calls the territories ”Non Self-governing Territories”. Not colonies. Indeed, the same committee dealt with Trust Territories and still used the word decolonisation - not detrustterritorisation... (easy to see why).

So no, the UN doesn't use the word 'colony'. They refer to the Islands as a 'territory'…… you know the same word at the end of term: British Overseas Territory.
283 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:37 am Report abuse
@282 I've given you the Noddy Guide to Colonies so please now go away and do some research.
284 Anglotino (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 09:16 am Report abuse
@276 Think

Live up to your username! If you insist on using Wikipedia, then at least use a quote that backs you up. You just clearly stated that the BOTs haven't been referred to as colonies since 1981.

I suggest you and Doveoverdover sit down together and have a coffee and study what a territory is. Canada has 3 territories. Australia has 10. India has 7. The US has 5 with large populations. And France has 1.

I'm sure the 20 million Indians living in union territories would be surprised to learn they are colonies now.

A territory is a political subdivision of a country that lacks its own sovereignty and is ruled either fully or partially by a central government - sorry if that isn't a wikipedia definition but then I can actually think for myself.

The UN is the sum of its parts and doesn't always get everything right. Compromise is the nature of politics. Outside of Gibraltar (treaty with Spain), Akrotiri & Dhekelia (treaty with Cyprus) and South Georgia & South Sandwich Islands (no civilian population), there is nothing stopping any of the BOTs declaring independence.

It's very difficult to decolonise people who just don't see themselves as a colony. No matter how much people ignore them. Disenfranchising may have once been a European fault, but it fast becoming popular in the developing world it would seem.
285 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 09:37 am Report abuse
@284 Time you went off to do some more Research. Take as long as you want. I recommend Plato's Republic as a good read for aspiring political analysts like yourself. Pay particular attention to the Allegory of the Cave. The Platonic Socrates must have had the future you and the self-colonising populations in mind.
286 Britworker (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 10:33 am Report abuse
So getting back to the cruise liners, I wonder who the next will be to cut Argentina from their schedule. Ive not heard any Argentine government reaction to this situation yet, or maybe they don't want to bring this to the attention of the wider public at a time when they are already pretty un-pot-n-pan-popular at the moment :-)
287 lsolde (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 10:38 am Report abuse
l take it that señor DoD doesn't like Anglotino's truthful facts.
Of course malvinistas don't like the truth.
lt interfers with their version of history & their “grand plan”.
Tough cheese old chap, thats the way it is.
288 Monty69 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 10:57 am Report abuse
279 Think

It's biased when it doesn't reflect your view of the world and 'outstandingly democratic and successful' when it does.
Does that about summarise it?
289 Anglotino (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 11:04 am Report abuse
@286 Britworker

The Argentine government will be hoping that this news doesn't filter down too far and if it does, I expect the usual lies trotted out about 'vulture tourist operators' and their interference in internal affairs.

With the currency controls and severely overvalued exchange rate in place strangling the economy, Argentina isn't great value for money. No matter how much a cruise costs, a tourist still wants their spending money to go a long way.

Uruguay, Chile and the Falkland Islands offer much better value. And less chance of violence too.
290 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 12:38 pm
Comment removed by the editor.
291 Anglotino (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 01:33 pm
Comment removed by the editor.
292 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
I've got plenty of both, thank you.
293 Think (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:38 pm
Comment removed by the editor.
294 Monty69 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 05:11 pm Report abuse
293 Think

Whatever you said, it wasn't me that asked for it to be removed.
If you run out of arguments and resort to making asinine mysoginistic remarks, then so much the better.
295 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
Now Think has repeated the offensive comment; the one that invited the two women, Monty69 and Isolde, to return to the allegorical Cave of Socrates. Your ultimate authority is being undermined. This is an outrage and his comment should be removed tout de suite.
296 Think (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
(287) lsolde

What's so wrong about asking you women to go back into the cave (of Socrates ;-) ?

It MUST be Lisa Watson playing the editor this week!

Snitcher & Whiner Woman....

Chuckle chuckle©....
297 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
Damn, I pressed cut, paste and submit comment, thus accidentally publishing my abuse report on @293

Still, it seemed to work. The offending post has gone. The one that highlighted the entirely unreasonable request for those two posters of the feminine gender to make their way back to their British Subterranean Territory (BST). The BST wherein a fire flickers casting shadows upon the wall causing cognitive confusion to the occupants, many of whom have resided there for 8 or 9 generations.

I blame Anglotino for starting this off and the editor for agreeing to it.
298 lsolde (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
l didn't see the removed posts, pity.
Can't live on the computer ALL day.
Still, l'm glad that Think & his side-kick had their bums smacked.
Now into the naughty corner for you, Thinkus.
You're the ringleader.
So, Anglotino, what else is new?
299 Think (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
(297) Mr. McDod

Ain't Monty96's words at (294) just a luuuuvely example of feminine discussion technique?

1) “Whatever you said, it wasn't me that asked for it to be removed.....”
(Meaning...: I didn't read it......; it wasn't me that stitched.....)

2) “ ......If you run out of arguments and resort to making asinine mysoginistic remarks, then so much the better.”
(Meaning...: I did read it......; it was me that stitched....... ;-)

Anyhow, I concord with you in blaming Anglotino for the whole affaire.....
300 Anglotino (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:58 pm Report abuse

You are free to blame whomever you wish. That doesn't change the actual facts. Attempting to absolve yourself and point the finger is really quite juvenile.

The fact is; you resorted to insults when challenged on claims you made. I am still waiting on you to support your statement that British Overseas Territories are called colonies by “everyone else”.

Be proud and stick to your beliefs. If you claim something, prove it. Wikipedia is a great resource for primary school students but for someone of your supposed experience and intelligence it is nothing more than a farce.

Unless you made an off the cuff remark that you now regret.

All you have done is deflect. Deflection is not an answer. So I clearly ask again:

Excluding Argentina and South America's crusade against the Falkland Islands, who refers to British Overseas Territories as colonies?

An answer or another deflection?
301 Think (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
(297) Mr. McDod

Ain't Isolde's words at (298) just a luuuuvely example of feminine discussion technique too?

1) “ l didn't see the removed posts, pity..... Can't live on the computer ALL day..”
(Meaning...: I didn't read it......; I wasn't here to stitch.....)

2) “ ...... Still, l'm glad that Think & his side-kick had their bums smacked.”
(Meaning...: I did read it......; it was me that stitched....... ;-)

Them Women must be chained right besides each other (in that British South-Atlantic Socratic Cave, that is)
302 redpoll (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
No good blaming any one else. I asked some of the comments to be removed as they were sexist, misoginist and with racial connotations. The editor evidently agreed. If such rubbish comes up again I will also report it
303 Think (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
(302) Redpoll

You are not only a “Sissy Morality Preacher” as I told you at (267) are also a big, humorless Turnip.........
Any lesser Turnip would have understood that the “Cave” in question was the Socratic one.....

Besides..... Since when are Women a race?
They are aliens from another planet, matey! ;-),_Women_Are_from_Venus

My most sincere apologies to Monty96 and Isolde.........
I knew (well.... almost knew) that you are no stitchers......
Just “pulling your lovely leg”, lasses.......
304 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
@300 I apologise for accusing you of snitching. Clearly it wasn't you after all. That earns you an answer to your question. Try this...
and this....
(“However, they remain colonies in all but name”.)
and this
(Yes, that's a UK Government Website)
and this
(You even get a Flag with this one - try reading the words carefully)

I think that's penance enough. Now go away.
305 lsolde (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
Listen to your accomplice, its “Snitch” NOT “Stitch”.
Stitch or stitch-up is when you are blamed for something that you didn't do.
Especially by the Politzei.
Our American cousins call it “framed”.
@304 DoD,
Who cares? Call us a colony if it makes you feel happy.
We don't give a rat's arse what you Argentines think.
306 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
@303 Think

“Just “pulling your lovely leg”, lasses”

307 Think (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
(305) lsolde
You say:
Listen to your accomplice, its “Snitch” NOT “Stitch”.

I say:
My bad....
Must write a hundred times.... “Snitch” “Snitch”“Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch”“Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch”“Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch”

Anyhow..... Yet another proof that Mr. McDod is much more knowledgy, smarter and “Intelligenter” than me in all things English.....

It's Polizei, not Politzei......
El Think
308 redpoll (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
@303 Socrates? Wasnt he asked to drink hemlock and kill himself when his masters fell out with him? No doubt your dose is in the post courtesy of La Campora. No I do you an injustice. I THINK you are more like Diogenes who lived in a barrel
You say the only way to respect wildlife is to kill it and taste it. From some of your pungent and venemous comments you have been eating too many skunks and yararas (which is a poisonous viper) just lately
309 Anglotino (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
@304 Doveoverdover

“Snitching”? Have we moved from primary school to prison now?
Doesn't have a reference to BOT. Just redirects for Crown Colony. Interesting that its most recent reference is from the American Heritage Dictionary which DOESN'T redirect when you use their website.
Doesn't have a street address, has no information on the actual organisation such as directors, nor is it a registered company. It's a blog and a personal opinion. Here's another blog Funny what you can write.
It quite clearly states Anguilla is a “ Self-governing British Overseas Territory”. Though it returned to colonial status in 1980….. 1980!!!!! A historical note to give context to Anguilla's legal history.
Yes, I read this quite carefully. It is a shame that you did not. Nowhere does it state that a BOT is a colony. It talks of a compendium of Falkland Islands law. The first since 1950. And of course this naturally includes British Colonial law. I for one will never argue that it wasn't once a colony, so of course it has Colonial laws. Australia, Canada, the US all have British Colonial laws.

Excluding Argentina and South America's crusade against the Falkland Islands, who refers to British Overseas Territories as colonies?

Such a simple question and you just can't answer it.

At least you replied without insults. So kudos for trying even though it was a spectacular fail.
310 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
If you won't I will. Bys Bye
311 Anglotino (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
And that ladies and gentlemen is how you prove someone wrong!

Outside of Argentina and the po faces of South American politicians, no one refers to the British Overseas Territories as colonies.
312 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 02:04 am Report abuse
# 311 your smart stament:

“ Outside of Argentina and the po faces of South American politicians, no one refers to the British Overseas Territories as colonies. ”

Well....maybe top officer of FCO Mr Hague coul be argentine....thats explain everything.

His words:

“ Foreign Secretary William Hague in particular, want to have a closer “hands-on” relationship with the governments of the former colonies, now officially known as the overseas territories. ”
313 dab14763 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 02:27 am Report abuse
So far,

You do know what 'former' means, don't you? If not, I suggest you look it up in a dictionary.
314 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 02:33 am Report abuse
Colony = BoT dont fool yourself dave.....we are adults here
315 Anglotino (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 03:37 am Report abuse
@312 & 314 so_far

I'd really like to say that was a good attempt. But I can't lie. It was quite pathetic really!

No one is going to argue that they aren't FORMER colonies. I said so myself @309 and will now - the Falkland Islands were once a colony. But then again so was Australia, India, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Chile etc etc etc. Just because they were once colonies does not make them current colonies. Unless you dispute Argentina's current sovereign status.


316 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 08:04 am Report abuse
@315 Amazing how a good night's sleep can refresh the combative spirit just enough to try once more to convince you that there may be a valid interpretation other than your own.

Let's start with a dictionary definition or two courtesy of the web.

and highlight just the first, from an American Dictionary:

a. A group of emigrants or their descendants who settle in a distant territory but remain subject to or closely associated with the parent country.
b. A territory thus settled.

Yep that's the Falkland Islanders and the Island hit in one. Not a Crown Colony anymore but still a colony. And that's just the English language. It also puts the automatic linking of BOT to Crown Colony into perspective too.

Let me help you with some intellectual property.

“Anguilla has broken away from the St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla federation and resumed its status as a British Colony.”

Note the tense, note the date of the web page, note the use of “status”. Note that the title may be BOT but the status is colony (even if the editor misuses the upper case C).

Let me observe that a street address in the age of modern communications is practically irrelevant. The Centre offers you an email address and phone numbers. That's more than you and I are offering each other using this medium.

Let's finish with Law Reports.

“This is not only a vital major publishing project for the Falkland Islands but it is also the first British Colonial law revision to incorporate comprehensive details of all local and UK legislation applicable to the Colony, and to be fully annotated. Significant reports of decisions of the Falkland Islands courts are published for the first time.”

Note the date, note the tense and note the absence of the word “former” so readily used in previous posts to demonstrate transition from a previous state.

And a job tip. Don't ever apply to be an exam marker. You're just not up to it.
317 lsolde (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:19 am Report abuse
@307 Think,
You are of course, correct with your spelling of Polizei.
l was going to spin some blarney about leaving it there for you to find! lol.
But no, l spelt it as l would say it & thats not correct.
But that doesn't let you off the hook re the Falklands.
You are still very wrong on that account.
Your sidekick is firing on all 16 cylinders now.
What a pity that he/she/it has got it all wrong.
FYI, M.DoD, We don't care how you classify us.
Your opinion doesn't count here anyway.
Frustrating for you, no?
Merry Christmas everyone.
318 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:31 am Report abuse
@317 And a Merry Christmas to you too.

What a pity you can't explain why you think I've got it all wrong.
319 Anglotino (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:17 am Report abuse
Oh Doveoverdover

It took entire night's sleep for you to write that. Oh dear!

You have made a statement and can't back up your claim. @268 you clearly claim that everyone calls the BOTs colonies.


I don't disagree with the definition of colony. I see you have moved on from your initial dictionary claim using this website. Mind you according to your definition the following countries are now colonies: Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Belize, PNG, Jamaica, Bahamas, plus others. Seems that the UN was wrong to state some of these were decolonised.

Sorry but that was another FAIL. You just recolonised tens of millions of people.

As for the IPO office, it is amazing that you use semantics to make your case but then so selectively chose to ignore other words that prove you wrong. Maybe you are still stuck in 1980 when Anguilla “resumed its status as a British Colony”. But thank you for highlighting that the editor made a mistake....

Again, this is not everyone! Mind you Anguilla doesn't seem to update its websites is very interesting.

So still a FAIL!

The Centre for Citizenship. I'm still laughing at this one. Probably worse than your Wikipedia faux pas. Is this your blog? Prove it isn't! Hence the problem.

Purely a single person's opinion - again not everyone. Repeat FAIL!

Finally you do realise Law Reports International Ltd is a publisher. And that the this page is an advertisement from 7 years ago that updated a book published 55 years earlier. When the Falklands were a colony.

You accuse me of lacking skills, and yet your entire argument rests of an online dictionary that doesn't define a BOT, a blog, the incorrect tense on a government website and a poorly constructed advertisement from 7 years ago.

And that is EVERYONE? 7 billion people and nearly 200 countries!

Talk about clutching at straws. Where's the quotes. The news stories. The dissertations. Articles.
320 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:41 am Report abuse
@319 Oh dear, I give you some simple leads to help think for yourself and still you can't manage it. One last attempt then. BOTs used to be called Crown Colonies. The UK changed the name. Twice. Meanwhile the UN (i.e. the body representing everyone who counts ) calls them NSGTs. NSGT is one definition of a colony. Australia etc are States.
Do you follow?

Please get a day job.
321 Anglotino (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
So no one calls them colonies then. Because you just clearly stated that the UN doesn't call them colonies.

Not the UN, EU, IMF....

If NSGT is one definition of a colony, where is this stated?

I'm still trying to find someone in the here and now that refers to them as colonies. I don't disagree they were once Crown Colonies. Saying that all the UK has done is change their names is a bit simplistic (there is a theme here with your logic though). And though Australian states were Crown Colonies, what were they between 1901 and 1984 then. Before the Australia Act they were colonies according to you. Indeed, what was Australia before 1984?

According to you, they were a colony.

I'm not making this up, you keep presenting your facts that tie your own logic in knots. Not me.

Other than Argentina, no one calls them a colony anymore. In the past yes.

But now.... no!
322 Monty69 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
320 Doveoverdover

So, to summarise, they used to be called colonies and some people still do call them colonies.
I suggest you hurry up and make whatever point you are labouring towards before we all die of boredom.
Otherwise, as Mr M would say, why don't you take this 10p and call someone who gives a s*^% ?
323 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
@321 So from me saying everyone else calls them a colony we now have you saying that no one calls them a colony. We move from the impossibility of proving my statement to the simplicity of disproving yours. Let's have a go.

It is necessary and sufficient for just one non-Argentinean person to call the Falkland Islands and it's population a British a colony for you to demonstrably wrong. I'm Scottish/British and I call the Falkland Islands and its population a British colony. There, wasn't that easy; no sleep needed.

No luck with the day job yet I see.
324 redpoll (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
Admiral if you wish to hoist your pennant on the good ship Semantic, thats your affair.I doesnt matter what the inhabitants of Anguilla, Pitcairn or the falklands want to call themselves. They are what they democraticaly wish to be and call themselves. Thier choice just like your Scots? Arent they having a referendum also?
325 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
# 321


-- What United Nations think about it ??

-- What the purpose of Special Committee created by UN for analyze Decolonization issues ?

”..The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of COLONIAL Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of DESCOLONIZATION. “

”. The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation}. ”

- SO-----In which territories is applicable ???? should be a COLONY right ??

Well.. Malvinas is listed in those territories…ERGO…MALVINAS IS A COLONY IN THE EYES OF UN.

So now , lets try to answer your doubts about your statements:

a) So no one calls them colonies …....

IS LIE, United Nations see Malvinas as a COLONY .

b) If NSGT is one definition of a colony, where is this stated?

look In UN main page OF DESCOLONIZATION SPECIAL COMITTE I gave you above.

c) I'm still trying to find someone in the here and now that refers to them as colonies.

Complete world except UK see Malvinas (as well other territories ) as COLONIES.

That’s a FACT my obtuse friend.
326 Monty69 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
325 so_far

''Granting of Independence of COLONIAL Countries and Peoples'' ??

I'm quite happy with that.
I'm guessing you're happy for us to be a 'country' and a 'people' as well as a 'colony'? And for us to be granted independence one day?

Well why didn't you say so in the first place?
327 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 02:54 pm Report abuse
Monty remember

”. The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation}. ”

if C-24 until now doesn´t gave you sef-determination or whatever you´re asking.....means that you´re NOT considered a country nor people distinct from the metropolis (UK)

continue dreaming dear....thats the main reason why your flag say “Disire the right”.....only a desire.

in my opinion a FANTASY, Malvinas never ever will have that right. FACT
328 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
@322 Madam, Season's Greetings to you and the time warped Mr M (10p indeed) too. In the spirit of Christmas I've resisted reporting your toilet language. Redpoll the self appointed censor should be along shortly to deal with you himself anyway.

Let me take you back to where this all started (@266)

“Joe Bloggs” with all the bluff bluster and misplaced certainty of a naive Lt on Ex LONG LOOK says ”You say: Corvette.
I (and the rest of the world) say: Frigate”.

No they don't says I. A frigate is a frigate and the British call what others call a Corvette an Offshore Patrol Vessel.

First point; JB is not always, in fact is seldom, right.
Second point: One should never generalise.

The problem was I too generalised (over BOT and Colony) and that alerted the Thought Police. Accused and challenged in public, I had to manipulate PC Plod of the Pedant Squad into doing the same. It took some time and a good nights sleep but I got there in the end.

Third point: We can all make mistakes.
Fourth point: People who themselves make mistakes shouldn't hound other people over their mistakes.

Oh and glad so see you too think the Falkland Islands are a colony. Why didn't you say so in the first place?

@327 Probably all you can really say is that they are not yet considered politically mature or numerous enough to be considered a country or a people. The policy of bringing in faster breeding stock from nearby Catholic countries may be an attempt by JB and his immigration control mates to correct one aspect of this. Subject of course to keeping the ethnic “temperature” comfortable through bringing in more Brits like JB too.
329 Monty69 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
327 so_far

Last time I looked we were on that list of ''Territories to which the Declaration is applicable''.

And in that list, the C24 makes no distinction between the territories, but lists the Falklands as a territory awaiting the 'granting of independence' along with all the others.

It was nice to hear Ban Ki Moon remind everybody that we should be allowed to choose, wasn't it?

If you can find a link anywhere to the UN saying we should become a colony of Argentina, I'd be happy to see it.

Thanks in advance.
330 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
@329 It wasn't so nice to hear SG say this: “The impression is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities so that they can decide on their own future. And that is the main criteria of the main UN bodies”.

Let me interpret. ” The relevant UN bodies (GA, 4th Ctte) don't think that the Falkland Islands have a population with the requisite level of capacity to decide their own future as yet.”

That's one reason why the March Referendum is not going to be a silver bullet and why I don't think there will be a UN monitoring team to oversee it.
331 redpoll (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
KiltyAdmiral MacSnood I see nothing wrong with the comment you wish me to report. You are really acid arent you?In your time in the RN you were never in the boxing team so Queensbury rules are outside your moral cogniscence. Have you no empathy at all with your brothers of the sea, be it the Sheffield, the Coventry or the Belgrano? Those blokes died in the freezin hoggin. Not for them to question the cause: they just did what they had to
332 dab14763 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
The 4th Ctte is not a main UN body.

”don't think that the Falkland Islands have a population with the requisite level of capacity to decide their own future as yet.”

Mmm, no.

Article 3 of UNGA resolution 1514 says:

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.
333 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
@332 I see they've sent DC Plod out to investigate this one. GA Resolutions are not binding for one thing. For another, that stricture was meant for the reluctant Administering State not for the wider community of States. Finally, don't take it up with me, take it up with the SG.
334 Think (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
(328) Mr McDod

You say:
“The policy of bringing in faster breeding stock from nearby Catholic countries may be an attempt by JB and his immigration control mates to correct one aspect of this. Subject of course to keeping the ethnic “temperature” comfortable through bringing in more Brits like JB too.”

I say:

1) It doesn't matter how fast the imported catholic Chilean stock breeds……, if the parents don’t have “Falkland Islands Status”, the offspring doesn’t get “Falkland Islands Status”…..
The mere detail of being born in them Islands is an irrelevant fact for them Kelpers….

2) Speaking about “Falkland Islands Status”……
Supposedly, after seven years of permanent residence in them Islands, you can apply for “Falkland Islands Status”……..
BUT, there is a ”little hurdle”…..
There is a maximum of 30 (thirty) new ”Falkland Islands Status” granted per year.....
And they are granted after, let’s put it mildly, very “peculiar” rules….

3) At this pace, them Islands can expect to double their current population in about ….............................. 100 years.

(331) redpoll
Let me correct my previous opinion about you.....
You are no turnip...
You are an asshole...
335 redpoll (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
@334 Asshole? Well I have no desire to investigate your defectory functions to see whether you match that description you have attributed to me
336 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
334 Think

You say:
There is a maximum of 30 (thirty) new ”Falkland Islands Status” granted per year.....
And they are granted after, let’s put it mildly, very “peculiar” rules….

3) At this pace, them Islands can expect to double their current population in about ….............................. 100 years.

I say: Ah, but you're forgetting something.

Hey Think Did you like our dear QEII's latest gift? A nice little chunk of our BAT named after her. Does your AAT have a piece named after dear Cristina?
337 HansNiesund (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse

'Let me interpret. ” The relevant UN bodies (GA, 4th Ctte) don't think that the Falkland Islands have a population with the requisite level of capacity to decide their own future as yet.” '

That's a novel interpretation. What supporting justification do you have for it?
338 Think (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
( 336 ) Joe Bloggs

You say:
“Ah, but you're forgetting something. ”

I say:
What did I forget.....?
To mention them Chileans that have resided in them Islands for more than 10 years........ but can't get their “ Precious F*ø%land Status” because of “ADMINISTRATIVE” reasons?
339 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
337 HansNiesund

Oh, don't worry about him. Are you familiar with the British TV show Faulty Towers? The character the Major?
340 redpoll (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
Joe Dont thrash THINK into a lather. If you do he will he will probably bite himself in the tail and perish from his self inflicted venom. Agreat loss I THINK. What would we do without this comedian on the blogs?
341 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 06:57 pm Report abuse

Think hard Think. Nothing to do with los chilenos. Nothing to do with administrative reasons. Not even anything to do with my shower mixer tap. It's staring you in the face old man.
342 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
# 329 Monty

United Nations already made his stament about it

“..The chair of the UN Decolonisation Committee ... described the UK announcement of a referendum in the Malvinas Islands as a “political ploy”, insisting that the Falkland Islanders can not appeal to the right of self determination. ”


“There are two issues: self determination and territorial integrity of States. You can’t accept a form of colonization when there is a principle of territorial integrity, which is the applicable form in the Malvinas case”.


”..The position of England is not that of an administrative power, it is that of an occupying power. It does not administrate a colony that can be claimed as independent. That figure does not exist in the C24”,

so my dear squatter.....UN speak clear and loud.

no way Malvinas gonna be independient in the near 300000 years ahead....thats a FACT, keep dreaming
343 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:05 pm Report abuse

The only trouble is so_far you can't get rid of us.
344 Think (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
(339) Joe Bloggs
If DoveoverDover is the Mayor…..
Monty96 & Isolde are Polly….
HansNielsund is Manuel….
I’m, of course, are Sybill…..
Then..., you must be…. Basil....

(341) Joe Bloggs
Speak straight, Basil.....
Nobody understands your “Funny Walks”.....
345 HansNiesund (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:06 pm Report abuse

Raise you one Secretary General saying otherwise.
346 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:13 pm Report abuse

Sorry Think but you are without a doubt Manuel.

The Falklands Islanders you STUPID man (Basil smacks Manuel about the head). They're everywhere. Why, there's more of the damn things living abroad than there are living in those blasted islands. Now get back in the kitchen before I beat you to death! Another drink Major?
347 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
# 345, no Hans, eveerbody already explained to you....

United Nations don´t support self-determination for Malvinas case.......they support territorial integrity and advice sovergnity talks negotiations between 2 parties, (UK-AR)....

never ever ever ever ever talk about Kelpers dream......nor his fake referendum.

you already know all this...don´t be a yawn man

348 HansNiesund (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:16 pm Report abuse

I'm reminded more of Del Boy Trotter's Uncle Albert.
349 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
348 LOL

Captain Mannering from Dad's Army
350 HansNiesund (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:26 pm Report abuse

Sancho Panza and Don Quixote.
351 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
# 343

You say:

“ The only trouble is so_far you can't get rid of us. ”

The same phrase was used by brits in the past 50 years in India, Egypt, Asia, etc.etc .... they all have something in common:

they were wrong and one day all those places could actually get rid of you.

so my unpleaseant squatter ...It is only a matter of time.

You have 44 million people in the door of your house waiting for the appropriate time.....

going to be fun and so cheap for Argentina and Latin America see the outcome in the next 10-20 years...

but hey-----who cares about what your future generations will have to deal with ?

Enjoy now...isn´t it ?

352 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
Mr Ed from Mr Ed
353 ChrisR (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
@351 so_far_from_the_truth

There can be only one response to that amount of fecal material:

Ha, ha, ha to the power googol (if you have ANY idea what that means).
354 HansNiesund (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse

My Argie friend pgerman once remarked that talking to a Malvinista was like talking to a fridge. No matter what you say to it, it just keeps making the same low humming noise.
355 Think (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
(346) Joe Bloggs

The Falklands Islanders living abroad...?
I can't imagine those old Gits wanting to abandon their beach paradises at Cookarrabarramonga Beach (Oz) or Araerateaoareaterapera Beach (NZ) to spend the rest of their life freezing in Puerto Estanley, mate.
If you want, I could surely gather a few thousand true Falkland descendants down here in Chubut and Santa Cruz, willing to move to them Islands...

Would you like that?

Sorry Think but you are without a doubt Manuel.

The Falklands Islanders you STUPID man (Basil smacks Manuel about the head). They're everywhere. Why, there's more of the damn things living abroad than there are living in those blasted islands. Now get back in the kitchen before I beat you to death! Another drink Major?
356 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
I doubt the ones on Sydney's North Shore or Auckland's outskirts would bother either. Although a few of them have trickled back in recent years. No, the ones in the biggest numbers and the most likely to be happy to come back are the hundreds and hundreds living in Port Stanley North. Being the clever little old Kelpaphile, you'll know where I mean.
357 Monty69 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
342 so_far

What are you quoting?
Post a link or pipe down.

And if the only person you can find to quote is the chair of the C24 , then don't bother. Because you know what? I could care less what your cronies in the C24 have to say, because we don't have to listen to a word they say.
358 dab14763 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 08:58 pm Report abuse

Right, the UNGA is going to apply to the NSGTs different criteria to the criteria it wants the MSs to apply to them.


The parents don't have to have FS for the child to have FS at birth.

A child will have FS at birth if it's a citizen at birth and its parents are permanently resident in the Falklands.

(note that the permanently resident rule excludes people from the UK who are temporarily resident)

A child is a citizen at birth if its parents are citizens or, not having citizenship, are settled in the territory.

'citizen' here means any type of citizen: British Citizen, British Overseas Territory Citizen, etc

'territory' here means the UK for British Citizenship, or any OT for British Overseas Territory Citizenship

A person can apply for naturalisation as a BOTC after 3 years residence in an OT.

The FI constitution gives preferential treatment to those applying for FS who have obtained BOTC through naturalisation or registration in the Falklands(as opposed to those who have obtained their citizenship somewhere else). If FS is not granted they will be given permanent right to remain in the Falklands. Which means their children will be citizens at birth and have FS at birth.

Not granting Territorial Status, or citizenship, to children of people who are temporarily resident is a sensible policy for any country to have.
359 lsolde (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
Yes, so_far, your mates in the C24 don't impress us at all.
We just do not care what they think. Get it?
And so you are threatening us with something thats supposedly going to happen in 10-20 years?
More threats?
lsn't that just pure Argentine(the school-yard bully).
And for your information, YOU are certainly an “unpleasent squatter”.
Only your ancestors murdered the native people, then stole their land.
You should never forget this. You stole from dead people.
@349 Joe Bloggs
Sometimes Captain Mainwaring makes a lot of sense.
e.g. ln one episode in 1940, when there was a real threat of invasion, Capt M and Sgt Wilson are having a break in a café.
Capt M asks Sgt Wilson where his revolver is.
Sgt W replies that he left it in their car parked outside.
Capt M says “what would you do sgt, if a nazi paratrooper walked through that door”
The silly studio audience laugh, but ask yourself, what would he do?
Get shot is the answer.
l know hes pompous & that makes the show.
360 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
# 357

“..I could care less what your cronies in the C24 have to say, because we don't have to listen to a word they say. ”

Thats Monty....

may i add aaaaarrrrgghhhh... to your statement ??

I know you brits don´t care anything o careless about anything or any law that don´t suit you lot...

but thats how United Nations works....sorry

361 Monty69 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
342 so_far

Still waiting for that link.

The C24 is not the 'law'. Sorry.
362 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
# Monty, you have enough links and information for build an opinion.....UN site is just for you wating, nothing i can add, is clear enough.
363 lsolde (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
You should be sorry, so_far.
Very, very sorry.
For all the lies that your country spreads.
And for all the lies that your stupid president whines.
And for the sorry state of your country(compare it in 2012 with how it was in 1900)
You don't care about the UN.
Only when it suits you.
What about UNSC resolution #502?
Sorry, indeed!
364 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
# 363

Im only a messenger that show you the Iceberg....

Don´t be mad on me Mrs Titanic.......
365 lsolde (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
What a ridiculous answer, so_far.
Haven't you got anything constructive or truthful to say?
You didn't answer any of my points, mr unpleasent squatter.
l'll waste no more time with you.
366 dab14763 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
BTW Think,

Granting FS to 30 immigrants a year in a population of about 3000 is equivalent percentagewise to granting citizenship to 4.4 million immigrants a year in a population of about 44 million.
367 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
365 Isolde

I like your style.

I have to bid you all a fond farewell, turn this computer off for the night and go home early. By order of Mrs Bloggs. Something about baking 50 dozen mince pies or words to that effect. Bah Humbug!
368 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
# 366

Who learn you maths David ?

30 of 3000 represent 0.01 %

0.01 of 44.000.000 is 440 .....

No 4.4 millons
369 Think (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
(366) dab14763

Firstly you forgot to move that decimal point one position to the left....
It's not 4.4 million , it's 0.44 million.

Secondly, using percentage statistics with such a little population is totally misleading, for not calling it directly stupid.

As an example, just one (1) case of pedophilia conviction in them islands during the last five years would give them a confortable second place (after Pitcairn) in the World's ranking.

And we all know they have had more than one case of the sort...

The same goes for, for example, drunken driving, cross-dressing husband beating, you name it....
370 Clyde15 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 10:58 pm Report abuse
Who learn you English ? The word you wanted was taught.
Learn is an intransitive verb.....Nos will explain.
A good try, my Spanish would be equally incorrect.
371 so_far (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:59 pm Report abuse
# 370

Well, thanks for teaching me that, that's the main difference between us.

we like the truth and what is right.

Malvinas are Argentinian and only are ilegally occupied by british squatters since 1833......everybody knows that.

372 Terence Hill (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:52 am Report abuse
351 so_far

Ah! to dream, because there's nothing else that losers can do.
373 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:00 am Report abuse
@371 You should really pay more attention to what's being said around you in other posts, “ Everybody” doesn't know that because I for one don't and that's enough for you to be wrong.

On a less semantic point, I would regard it as an early Christmas Present if you could be the first person ever to name for me which contemporary international law (not Papal, Argentine or Spanish national law), it was that the UK breached in 1833 or, indeed, in 1982.
374 lsolde (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 10:17 am Report abuse
Bravo DoD, maybe there is hope for you yet.
@371 so_far,
Everybody knows it, eh señor? Are you sure about that?
Or do you just mean every malvinista?
Unfortunately for you, malvinista's wishes don't count.
Try again later.
375 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 11:06 am Report abuse
@374 Consistent DoD, if you don't mind. I don't believe I 've ever posted anything different. I seem to be one of the few who have no doubt about the absolute nature of British (that's UK by the way) sovereignty of the Islands (and that seizing other states' frigates in peacetime is illegal for that matter).
376 so_far (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
# 373 & 374

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Anyone can believe anything you want (even there are people who still believe in the existence of WMD in Iraq ).

People meet with whom share a vision or with whom identify intellectually thought or ideas....

This is a beautiful free world.

About “ You should really pay more attention to what's being said around you in other posts”

no idea what you´re talking abut.

About the rest, good start could be understand how UK broke in peace times the “Treaty of Friendship, Trade and Navigation of 1825” between Argentina and UK.
377 ChrisR (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
@376 So-far_yet_so_far_no_good

AHHHHHHHHHH! (that enough for you?)

It's the dastardly BRITISH again - this time WE broke a treaty that I have never heard of (could be me) BUT what about the 'Treaty of Perfect Peace” of 1850?

AHHHHHH! I remember know, we BRITISH were dastardly again and MADE the poor confused Argentines sign, isn't that how the AG BOLLOCKS GOES?

You really ARE the laughing stock of the grown up world, deservedly so.
378 Clyde15 (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
Thank you for that affirmation. It is an age thing with me, having had English grammar drilled into my being, I react like Pavlov's dogs to any infractions - God, I hope I am not sounding like Nos.!
Another inexactitude,or hyperbole, is your use of the expression “everybody knows that” I don't, therefore you are wrong in that statement. If you had said ,“it is my belief........”, then that would be true as it would reflect your opinion although it would still be incorrect.
379 so_far (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
# 378

Just semantics........let me correct the sentence.

Malvinas are Argentinian .....everybody (educated) knows that

better now ?

380 ChrisR (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
@379 So_far_but_so_far_away

”Malvinas are Argentinian .....everybody (educated) knows that”

Of course everybody educated in AG knows that - they think.

But EVERYBODY in the real world knows two things for sure:
1) the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you Pratts) is a UK BOT;
2) they will NEVER be Argentinian, EVER.

There, that has settled it, hasn't it?

Ha, ha, ha.
381 Think (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
(375) Mr. McDod

You say:
I would regard it as an early Christmas present if you could be the first person ever to name for me which Contemporary International Law (not Papal, Argentine or Spanish national law), it was that the UK breached in 1833 or, indeed, in 1982

I say:
In the spirit of Christmas, I can’t resist to be the first person ever to name for you which Contemporary International Law (not Papal, Argentine or Spanish national law), it was that the UK breached in 1833 or, indeed, in 1982………

Or better yet……:

In the spirit of Christmas, I will be the first person ever to name for you which Atemporal Universal Commandment (not Papal, Argentine or Spanish), it was that the UK breached in 1833…..:
Numberrrrrrrrrr8: “Thou shalt not steal.”
Or, indeed, in 1982………:
Numberrrrrrrrrr6: “Thou shalt not kill.”

I ”Think” that you, as a Kirks man, will recognize the merits of the above…..
382 redpoll (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
Mangelwurzel Stop talking bollocks. You are getting as bad as snotty Nostril.
383 Think (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
More good news from the Argentinean Front……

”Argentine energy company YPF signed a partnership deal with U.S. oil major Chevron Corp on Wednesday ……

The details of a permanent deal will be negotiated over the next four months. The companies said Wednesday's letter of intent envisions an initial joint venture to drill 100 non-conventional oil wells at a cost of $1 billion…….

However, Galuccio and Ali Moshiri, Chevron's head of operations for Latin America and Africa, said the pact signed on Wednesday only covered a pilot phase……

“The question is going to be how big the investment is going to be beyond the pilot,” Moshiri told reporters. “Our goal is to start as soon as possible. What we need is to push our teams to put a definitive agreement together as soon as possible.......”
384 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
@381 I now see instantly why the Catholic Republic of Argentina has never taken the (constitutionally) Protestant United Kingdom to His Holiness the Pope for arbitration of this dispute. Or, for that matter, to the ICJ if Argentina is going to rely on the 1825 Treaty.

You do open up another diversion though as my mind turns to the Falkland Islands Constitution as delivered on tablets of stone from the Privy Council. Like the Constitution, the 10 Commandments are pretty strong on individual rights and responsibilities but fairly silent on collective ones. Holy War anyone?

As for my own conscience about serving in the Falklands and (facilitating) killing around the globe, I reached a very personal (protestant) agreement with the Lord that seems to have worked for both of us. I wouldn't handle stolen property or kill anyone who didn't deserve it and he wouldn't make me a hero in need of help.

And Mangelwurzel talking what? So vulgar is he that I feel an abuse report coming on. No, stop. Don't Cave, man.
385 so_far (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:27 pm Report abuse

Would be an incredible surprise that they were observing the commandments of God !

.... I always thought that these are the only Codes of Conduct they respect by nature:

The Pirate Code of Conduct

Code of Conduct 1 - Equal Voting Rights

Code of Conduct 2 - Fair share of the loot and pirates punishments for those who cheated

Code of Conduct 3 - Gambling was banned

Code of Conduct 4 - No lights at night - a pirates sleep should not be disturbed

Code of Conduct 5 - Each pirate was responsible for the upkeep of their weapons

Code of Conduct 6 - No Boys or women allowed on board

Code of Conduct 7 - Penalty for Desertion

Code of Conduct 8 - No fighting between pirates on board the ship

Code of Conduct 9 - A Pension according to the severity of wounds

Code of Conduct 10 - Shares of the loot or booty

Code of Conduct 11 - Musicians available to play when required!
386 HansNiesund (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse

Speaking of the 10 Commandments, there's an awful lot of coveting thy neighbour's ass going on down there. Perhaps you should just be happy with what you've got and spend more time with Rocinante.
387 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
We have sunk so low, we four, that it must now truly be time for the editor to close this thread down.
388 Think (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
( 384) Mr.McDod

You asked an easy question.......
I answered to the best of my limited abilities.....

Good deal you reached with “Him”.....
Did you got it in writing?
389 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
Think (#383)
”Argentine energy company YPF signed a partnership deal with U.S. oil major Chevron Corp on Wednesday ……“

Does this mean that Chevron will get its Ecuador-sequestered money released?
This must be one element of this 'behind closed doors' deal - if the policy of pi**ing on your neighbours is still alive and well in Argentina.

Perhaps the Argentinans have promised - ”honest, would I!” - to not steal Chevron's assets.
390 Think (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
(389) GeoffWard2


Every imaginable level of corruption is possible.....

When an Anglo Oil Company is involved.
391 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
@390 And it would be no earthly good getting it in writing from either of them either.
392 Think (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
(391) Mr. McDod

I'm still hoping for Statoil to jump in though......
Vikings are much better at keeping their word than Anglos ;-)
393 lsolde (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
@381 Think,
ln the spirit of Christmas eh, Think you hypocritical old humbug.
Thou shalt not steal-
Argentina stole most of its territory from someone else-Amerindians & Paraguay jog your excuse for a mind, Think?
Thou shalt not kill-
Argentinean's ancestors killed these afore mentioned Amerindians.
Really Think, you are becoming just so transperent & predictable as well as being even more hypocritical.
Have another go, guv'nor.
btw- l have been informed that the 6th commandment is a mis-translation.
lt should be, Thou shalt not murder(not kill)
Even you, Think, will appreciate the difference.
@385 so_far,
Yes, the Elizabethan pirates did loot Spanish ships & relieve them of the gold & silver that the Spanish had robbed from the Aztecs, lncas & others.
Probably killed the crews too, no doubt the ghosts of the Aztecs & lncas heartily approved.
394 HansNiesund (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 10:21 pm Report abuse

That's a pretty decent Code of Conduct for pirates, in my view.

What was the Code of Conduct for Conquistadors?
395 so_far (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
Don't know not comparing scum here.....i just post the rules from your very root ancestors that you lot are so proud .....ask the ladies...all of them confess the pirate blood in their veins are cool stuff.......i still dont get it.
396 HansNiesund (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:44 pm Report abuse

It's a shame. There's such a lot you don't get. I know it's hard for someone of your background, but I do recommend reading and thinking. That tends to help in all but the most desperately delusional cases.
397 so_far (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
Thanks Hans, i'll take your already show me the smart and academic person you are, is an honor mylord.

398 Pete Bog (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
”if Argentina is going to rely on the 1825 Treaty.2

Interesting. Any maps with this treaty?
And is the treaty legitimate from the Governor of Buenos Aires who murdered his predecessor?
Ie was the BAG legitimate?
399 so_far (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
Here Pete....learn a bit my unpleasant squatter how UK broke the friendship treaty between allways UK out of the law.

Nootka anyone ?

“ Great Britain would recognize Argentina sovergnity and independence...”

Argentina in that time had total control of islands with governors, inhabitans, etc...thats a well know fact.,+Trade+and+Navigation+of+1825+argentina&hl=es-419&sa=X&ei=NNPUULiFG4Wk8QTz8YCICA&ved=0CD8QuwUwAA#v=onepage&q=Treaty%20of%20Friendship%2C%20Trade%20and%20Navigation%20of%201825%20argentina&f=false
400 lsolde (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
More rot from so_far,
Argentina did NOT control the islands.
ln fact Argentina did not even control Patagonia.
So, so_far, it is NOT a well known fact, but a lie if you say it is a fact!
Get it through your thick skull, the Falkland lslands are NOT yours,
Never have been yours & never will be yours.
They are ours.
And we intend to keep them.
But have a merry Christmas anyway.

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