Falklands’ dispute triggers concern among Argentine tourism operators after two cruises omit Ushuaia
Ushuaia tourism operators expressed concern and called for common sense to prevail after two major cruises finally decided this week not to call at in Argentine Tierra del Fuego after local authorities could not guarantee that the visiting vessels would not be exposed to the same intimidation tactics and delays experienced recently in Buenos Aires and earlier this year in the extreme south terminal because they include the Falkland Islands in their itineraries.
After a letter sent with the guarantees request went unanswered, Seabourn Sojourn and Veendam with 450 and 1.300 visitors simply omitted calling and/or landing in Ushuaia and reports from the local media indicate that Holland America Line has decided to cancel future calls and the mother corporation Carnival Corporation is considering new itineraries for its cruise vessels in the rest of the season.
The two vessels apparently after omitting Ushuaia, called at Punta Arenas, Chile in the Magellan Strait, another important cruise terminal in the extreme south of the continent.
Earlier this month the Seabourn Sojourn was boarded in Buenos Aires by a gang of radical thugs, with the support of the maritime workers union and the passivity of law enforcement agents and delayed until forced to sign a commitment not to call again at the Falklands, based on a bill approved by several Patagonia provinces, the so called Gaucho Rivero law, which bans from Argentine ports vessels involved in oil related activities in the Falklands, but which is interpreted and made extensive to all commercial activities.
After several hours and having signed the cruise left for Uruguay, visiting Montevideo and Punta del Este, and this week was again expected in Ushuaia after calling at the Falklands.
The Ushuaia newspaper Diario del Fin del Mundo also published that because of the incidents allegedly Seabourne Sojourn is going to omit Ushuaia and other Argentine ports and sail between Uruguay and Chile via the Falkland Islands.
Chile has again become a main attraction for the cruise industry after Congress passed a bill ending a ban on casino and gambling on board vessels while sailing in Chilean waters. Punta Arenas the hub of cruise activity in southern Chile will be visited this season by 52 vessels with an estimated 62.000 visitors, according to local authorities.
But the harassment and intimidation by Argentine radical thugs with official ‘complicity’, of cruise vessels calling in the Falklands and Argentina has not gone down with out protests not only from the Foreign Office.
The president of the Ushuaia Chamber of Tourism, Marcelo Lietti, as he did earlier this year, warned that the implementation of the Gaucho Rivero Law is having an economic impact on the local tourism industry and related activities.
Speaking to a local Ushuaia radio Lietti said that the cruise companies have sold packages including the Malvinas so it is hard to see how they can avoid that leg since they can be exposed to legal demands and regarding the Gaucho Rivero Law he admitted that it is a provincial bill and foreign companies work on the basis of ‘national (federal) legislation’.
But what is important “we estimate a loss of 18.000 visitors this season if this continues. This means loss of jobs and activity for many small shops that live from the tourism industry” said Lietti who anticipated he would address local authorities because “these are not the methods to claim a national cause we all support”.
Likewise cruise operator Fabio de Souza, head of Tolkeyen Patagonia called for common sense to prevail and said “we have nothing to argue regarding the sovereignty claim, but we fear a contagion effect from other cruise lines and a boomerang effect for our local economy if this continues”.
“It is a complicated situation because even when the provincial government authorizes cruise vessels to call and extends the permits, a group of activists flying the Gaucho Rivero flag will not allow vessels going or coming from Malvinas to berth in Ushuaia”, said de Souza.
This week “we had this situation with two vessels while others are already talking about omitting Ushuaia for the rest of the season because of lack of guarantees by local authorities, according to the information we have”.
“We have nothing to argue regarding the sovereign claim over Malvinas, but we are beginning to have a boomerang effect and we don’t know where the conflict is going to end and how it is going to end”, added de Souza.
He pointed out that the cruise industry is dominated by two or three main corporations, highly competitive but when the interests of the industry are involved ‘they can act very much as a corporation looking for what is better for all of them”.
De Souza went on to say that leaving aside the additional complication “the current cruise season was not entirely good since although we could be receiving more calls (up 16%) the fact is that the vessels have less visitors, maybe working with 70% of last year’s average”.
The head of Tolkeyen Patagonia pointed out that the loss of activity in Ushuaia will be captured by Punta Arenas in Chile.
“Let’s not be foolish: our Chilean neighbours will take full advantage of the situation and will receive the cruise vessels with open arms. They will try again to make Punta Arenas the Antarctic logistics and cruise hub of the extreme south, a position currently held by Ushuaia”, insisted de Souza.
“Let’s hope common sense prevails and some kind of understanding can be reached because there are many jobs at stake and a whole industry based on the cruise visits and related activities”, concluded de Souza.
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Nice to know that Comedy Hour has returned in spades. Argentina - the “gift that keeps on giving”
These argentinians really really are stupid. I knew it.
Ttt/think/ph/ma et al: are you comfortable with what is being done in your name I.e thuggery is now a tool of government?
www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Date-set-for-Falkland-Islands-referendum_13186950
Do I hear a backfire ???
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxWWJaTEdD0
Petition done & dusted !
Ta.
Marcos is probably still in his basement after having been awake for 34days playing World of Warcraft and never having toiletted once.
You know the real story of the K's oligarchy is the power struggle between Nestor and Cristina with her side-kick Maximo. They are much more idealist and extreme, with little thought or intelligence behind their activism.
Good news for Chile. They just need to continue to keep their heads down and enjoy the the benefits of the Argentines messing up again.
The tourism Chamber described as a “catastrophe” for the cancellation of cruises - The titular body, Marcelo Lietti, considered that the situation will become more serious even if announced by large carmakers tourist boats that assess directly to abandon the country as a destination. “This is just beginning and we talk about something very serious”, he said, and said that “what we lose in a minute will cost us years to recover it”.
www.eldiariodelfindelmundo.com/noticias/leer/46453/el-presidente-de-la-camara-de-turismo-califico-de-catastrofe-la-cancelacion-de-cruceros.html
Oh wait that wasnt really the plan.
But we got them to change there itenerary glorious argentine Victory !!!!!!
Uruguay > Falklands Islands > Chile.... FACT
End of Message.
They're not going to send their ships to there...
Oh, hang on... it was.
Time to wait for the Sock Puppet Association to now post something off-topic to try to draw attention away from yet another monumental foot-shoot by their officialdom.
what goes around comes around!
You cannot accommodate this lawlessness when you have the safety of thousands of customers to consider. Or at least you should not.
As an argument, they wield the law “Gaucho Rivero” does not help to resolve the claim of sovereignty that defends our country before the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations; the only thing that makes the law is to reduce tourist income (yours and the others) and that it also scares international companies in the absence of legal guarantees.'
www.eldiariodelfindelmundo.com/noticias/leer/46459/patriota.html
The daily news covers items to make your eyes role to items that make your jaw drop. It's incredible that such a large resorce rich educated population just allows stuff to happen again and again and again without seeming to make any effort to fix it.
The facts are from looking at articles like [@29] that these brain-mulsched argentinians still prefer to lose money in order to retain some dignity that they never actually had. They still put their faith in a widely discredited UN committee to serve up their promised lebensraum... They're just going to keep poking themselves in the eyes until their eyes actually drop out. It's very impressive how ridiculous they are.
However, the shipping companies have no option but to avoid argentina altogether. With the terrorism being sponsored by the son and heir of the head of state, they cannot provide security to the passengers when landed in Argentina. That's a massive insurance risk.
[1] www.cronista.com/transportycargo/Cruceros-cancelan-escalas-en-Ushuaiapor-los-conflictos-gremiales-y-politicos-20121212-0005.html
Cruise lines still calling at any port in Argentina would most likely be found in breach of their insurance terms if any passengers were injured after this date. Never mind the attitude of passengers in response to the abdication of responsibility to their safety by the cruise line.
The lines would not have a leg to stand on that they were unaware of the violence should things escalate further which seems very likely.
The ONLY safe course of action is for ALL lines to ban calling in Argentina: that way no one cruise line has an ‘advantage’ over any other. Though quite how a ship calling in any port of Argentina could be considered to have an advantage is beyond any reasonable person.
Really?
If that were true, you wouldn't need tourism, or investment in YPF or anything else outside your borders.
Chuckle chuckle :D
Does the concept of common sense exist in Argentina ?
The silence of the Trolls is deafening.
Me too!
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
This will not affect old Crissy and Maximo one bit they have raided the coffers already,it's high time decent Argentines now came out on the streets and brought another sorry episode of there countrys history to an end and send this old botox queen of to Ecuadore.
What do you say now?
Part of your long range plan? yes? or no?
Come on Think, you MUST have a smart reply to this latest developement.
You've got a lot of gravey on your face, Think.
This is just too delicious. l must celebrate.
He is NOMINAL chief of La Campora, but it is doubtful if he can recognize the difference between “yes” and “no” without his mother's help.
One thing is definite, he will never be “groomed” for the presidency as it is no place for drug addicts!!!!!!
SELF-DETERMINATION, All aboard!
This may be part of a complex strategy - which will surely be explained by team RG, any moment now.............. zzzzzzzzz
Argentinian Common-sense is a contradiction in terms. It's like saying Mistressless Frenchman or Economically Minded Scot (e.g. Brown sold all our national gold for nothing and Blair indebted all our grandchildren!)
Default day - 15th December
IMF Red Card - 17th December
LOL
nice to see SOMEONE taking action,
another spanish intusion, argentine intimidation,
when are we going to do something.
“Cristina does not speak with anyone in her cabinet, except with her son Maximo Kirchner, who is a drug addict, a fool and he opens his mouth only to celebrate a goal in the Play Station,” said Tonelli during the inauguration of a partisan local in Quilmes.”
It appears that, like his mother, Maximo dropped out before completing his law studies. I think his drug abuse is pretty well-known but whether that would exclude him from being President is debatable. His mother is drugged to the eye-balls, according to Argentines I know, though prescribed drugs.
-Sign this under threat of violence to say that you will never go to the tranquil and peaceful Falklands. But come back here.
-Oh yeah Ok, I'll definitely do that.
I mean who couldnt see that this would end up hurting Argentina as much, if not more, than the Falklands people?
Even ignoring the rampant hypocrisy of the Argentine police not bothering to do a damn thing about the threats and intimidation, or investigating the criminal damage and assaults... its a DUMB idea.
WITH all those thrown in it just makes Argentina look like a tin-pot banana republic.... all because of its corrupt self-serving government...who are determined to see their personal agendas through to the end, regardless of how much injury they cause to their own, innocent, Argentine population.
Its twisted.
Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:15 pm
It is thought that “los Señores” Think and Doveoverdover are on an expedition in darkest Chubut, looking for the well known native brook trout (Salvelinus fontinalis) which being an illegal immigrant from the USA these two intrepid malvinistas are trying to erradicate.
But if tourists like Punta Arenas or Montevideo, its up to them
I think he called me an idiot or something like that
I love love love when my predicitons come true...
as I have said time is on my side
next up
Patacones
and/or
Hyperinflation and Depression
There is not much to do there for residents. A cinema. They have dancing on Saturdays, one excited resident told me. I asked him what people did the rest of the time and he thought for a while before responding, “Mostly we have affairs”.
It is great to visit for a day as a tourist, I guess, and it markets itself as 'The most southerly town in the world', which is why cruises call there. It rains pretty much the whole year round but I was lucky and had several days of good weather when I was there. The sunsets are spectacular.
I have visited the other places you mention, Malen, and all are worthy of a visit. You should visit Ushuaia before writing it off. I liked it in a thank-God-I-don't-have-to-live-here way. Besides, they need the local tourism if the cruises are going to abandon them.
This is one major “Ado”, as the once well-respected British people would have said.
Cruise ships that include a “leg” in the Falkland Islands as part of their allure are replete with passengers that very likely have no personal interest in visiting Buenos Aires, Ushuaia, Madryn, the Valdez Peninsula, or anything else in Argentina. And probably have espouse antagonistic enmity towards us for political, ethnic, or racial reasons.
So it is no drama at all for the cruise ship, nor for argenine ports, to have them skip the country. Furthermore, those that do are clearly indicating with whom their political allegiances lie, and thus black-list themselves which makes it very easy to ban them for ever.
And btw, the numbers in this article are disputed.
All in all, much brouhaha about nothing.
You knw TDF was a used as a restocking point for perishables for the cruise lines so what are the farmers going to do with all the products now? Ship them to BA? Lose all their profits in transport costs?
So how many industries THIS YEAR has CFK destroyed with bad policy:
Oil/Gas
Wine
Tourist
Cruise line
Contruction
Housing
Can the economy stand many more?
I think not
It all makes sense.
Chileneos lining up to pay their taxes
Their happy faces
Neither of which you see walking around in BA
That lone example should limn to others the “accuracy” of your remanining jejune fibs.
Most risible of all, you still appear to believe you sound intelligent through eluctation of crass hyperbole. That is the problem with you antis, your procrustean minds allow you no escape chute when someone presents even a microscopic deviation from your “worldview”.
Then you all lose your dissembled sangfroid demeanor and resort to invectives and acrid harangues.
Canary in the Coal mine
These 2 ships are just the 1st of many to come
Did you upgrade your Thesaurus program retard?
But you don't need anyone remember? You want to be isolationist, so as each day goes by, the insane policies of your government get closer to granting your wish.
You must be very happy by now, although I doubt the Argentine people whose jobs are on the line are happy though.
As for them facing law suits, I doubt that would happen, after the attack on a cruise ship in Buenos Aires, plus the fact that neither the provincial or federal government could or would guarantee the safety of the passengers, the company can cite that as a reason for not calling at an Argentine port.
Safety of the passengers takes precedent, and any court of law would recognise that fact.
Face it, Argentina has been hoist with your own petard, by allowing these bullying brown shirt fascists to dictate your governmental policy, while your law enforcement just sat back and did nothing.
The Plain English Society would probably be the first stop for Tobias to take some lessons.
If you haven't noticed, I'm not tossing low-frequency words indiscriminately like I used to. I am purposefully (and purposely) shifting now to a more subtle intercalation of low-frequency words. Eventually I will explain in more detail, that is all I can adumbrate for now.
@66
Perhaps, perhaps... but these cruise ships are also docking in Brazil, in places like Rio no less, therefore the “security and safety argument” may prove to be regarded as “quite stretched”.
I guess tourists do't like to go to places that are dirty, dangerous, filled with daily protests and blackouts.
I think I told you, Axel and Think the run away inflation would doom tourism.
They told me I didn't know what I was talking about since BA is such a beautiful and unique city it will always be in demand.
Hmm looks like I am right again
Toby do you get a stomach ache every time my predictions come true?
I hear there's lots of cheap deals for London, Paris, and Madrid this time of year, december/january... must be that those places are smelly, old, filled with daily protests and riots.
Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:53 pm
Tobias, my understanding is that the descision to obviate the Argentine ports on both ships was a democratic vote taken among the passengers, after the experience of the M/V Seabourn Sojourn in Bs. As., they all decided to forget Argentina and opted for Stanley and Punta Arenas!!!!!!
Allow me to be the first to offer you my most sincere contrafibularities! I am anaspeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulation.
By the way, is 'virue' actually a word, or just a typo? So hard to tell.
If what you say is true, and lets remember, everything the antis state here is completely baseless and never has any actual news links behind them (unlike my asseverations), then it is as I stated @60.
Those cruise ships that go to the Falklands are most likely hot-beds of Argentine hatred, thus why have those people in the country anyway?
Careful with the verbal diarrhea you don't soil your self.
Well done Carnival !!
Glad you will not allow yourselves to be intimidated.
Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:53 pm
My favourite bit is 'jejune fibs'.
Toby. The use of obsolete vocabulary lifted from a comedy thesaurus doesn't make you look intelligent. I'm afraid THAT horse has bolted.
And IF there are any law suits it will be against the Argentinian port authorities for profesional nonfeasance. That means neglect by the way, not that your Micky Mouse outfit would take any notice of it.
What do you think they will put on the list this month to make up for it.
Insulin, Cancer drugs, syringes, medical gloves...hmm I wonder
We are taking on the EU, USA, Japan, China, Mexico, Australia, and Mercosur (Brazil), in trade and you think we can't take on some cruise ship.
The economy is secondary to principle.
When will you people understand all argentines will DIE before being subjugated by the rest of the world. Move along now.
argentina what a joke!!!
Move along now? It is Argentina's Government that has caused this whole situation, a situation you lauded! And now that is has backfired completely, you want everyone just to “move along now” as you believe it is not an issue...so why put everyone in this situation in the first place?
'MAKE “LATIN AMERICAN FORUM for sovereignty in the Falklands”.'
www.elcomercial.com.ar/index.php?option=com_telam&view=deauno&idnota=263455&Itemid=116
'Argentineans seeking 'one outcome' from Falklands talks'
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/9777815.stm
'Argentine Ambassador in Bolivia calls daily for Falklands'
www.prensa-latina.cu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&idioma=1&id=798171&Itemid=1
Where haseth redounded upon us negatively? Encore, two vessels out of a century and at least two score? Ridibund.
Wibble
JUST ASKING
But it is an Argentine who is now winging so does he not count
The president of the Ushuaia Chamber of Tourism, Marcelo Lietti, as he did earlier this year, warned that the implementation of the Gaucho Rivero Law is having an economic impact on the local tourism industry and related activities.
'When will you people understand all argentines will DIE before being subjugated by the rest of the world. Move along now'
What a truly contemptible thing to say.
This situation came about because you were trying to subjugate us.
And when it doesn't work, you start your 'everybody hates us but we don't care' routine.
Contemptible. Why don't you try explaining it to all the poor sods whose businesses are going to suffer as a result of this? On second thoughts, don't; I doubt you could manage it without trying to shift the blame onto us.
You HAVE been subjugated , by a corrupt mafia that owns you lock stock and barrel .You sold out for a choripan , a note book and an out of date thesaurus .
God , you are pathetic .
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
”We are taking on the EU, USA, Japan, China, Mexico, Australia, and Mercosur (Brazil), in trade and you think we can't take on some cruise ship.“
Of course you can ”take on some cruise ship”, once. The problem is when you then expect that cruise ship to come back, especially when there are ports in countries that welcome them instead of letting them be illegally boarded very close by.
It's not so much a steep learning curve as a brick wall that you're running into.
and very Argentine!!!! :)))))) more please!
Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:01 pm
“When will you people understand all argentines will DIE before being subjugated by the rest of the world.”
You've done it again, Tobias, speak for yourself, don't presume to speak for all Argentines!!!!!
As for us ”taking on the EU, USA, Japan, China, Mexico, Australia, and Mercosur (Brazil),” What a load of absolut BS, we can't even take on the Falkland Islanders!!!!!!
Who wouldn't want to go to the largest city in the south and you get to travel between all those islands. Much nicer than the bile spouted by the Argentine governments henchmen.
I feel sorry for the Ushuaians but you get what you vote for!
3.bp.blogspot.com/_LonUI6PPBko/TEsSHD2tKqI/AAAAAAAACTg/QNs78wPTEs8/s1600/Punta_Arenas_Map.gif
It really is quite amusing. But as I said earlier, you are getting the isolation that you so desire. You deserve it, unfortunately the innocent Argentine workers who lose their livihood that don't deserve it.
The end of the current government and the crazy President cannot come soon enough for the Argentines sick of the damage she is doing to the country.
Because they spend money, stupid. And if they hate you, well that is simple - charge extra!
The point is not what they intend, but that this is a consequence of their actions and not a manifestation of a global anti- Argentine conspiracy.
Do you have a response to the topic of the thread?
You are beginning to sound like Humphrey Appleby.
Trouble is, despite this increase in wordiness, your answers are increasingly verbose and lacking in substance.
Mainly because your posts are like a vacuum prepared bell jar, full of emptiness.
I now nominate you to play the Frogstar robot in the xmas edition of H2G2. You seem perfect for the part. ;)
You will have to find an IQ before you can start honing it.
along with their homes, their right to self-determination will also be defended.
wanting and getting are two different things, and wanting will be forever an albatross around Argentinas neck.
Status Quo..... SELF-DETERMINATION!
Indeed ;-)
And now it’s the other way around,
Trying desperately to up hold the defence and indignity of their empress,
Not content with shooting themselves in each foot,
Now they do it in the brain cells .lol.
.
we think.
You are a cunning stunt over this bollocks. Now I know you are an argie, albeit a highly educated one.
I happen to know that Imber Village and Tyneham Village are both in their own separate LFR's for tanks and other equipment firing 0.50 cal BMG or greater for rounds of all current type.
Not quite what happens on the FFR in Canada but cheaper to operate.
I suppose that next you will be telling us that Epynt Ranges have German Village reserved as well?
Must try harder I am afraid.
Calling in at Brasil, Uruguay, the Chile tip and TFI makes a superb round trip - especially with the casino add-on.
But the cruise ships will return to BA once the situation has stabilised.
Stabilisation will probably involve the hounding-out of CFK and the peronistas.
We will probably see many of the same faces in the subsequent administration, but they will deny their previous involvement or say they were pressured into acting so disastrously.
The big beasts do not go away, they just change their spots;
power, once tasted, is hard to give up.
Let’s keep things in perspective……………,,,,,,,,,,,,,…….. Shall we?
1) The Seabourn Sojourn “by-passed” Ushuaia after being politely told, by the Argentinean authorities, that they were not longer welcomed.....
2) The MS Veendam “by-passed” Ushuaia on the same da, to avoid being “confused” with the Seabourn Sojourn by the Gaucho Rivero Welcome Committee......
3) The MS Veendam went on and “by-passed” Puerto Estanley, Malvinas and is now on route to her next destination…: Puerto Madryn, Chubut (Home of El Think), Argentina.
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PS:
(102) Mr. McDod
Absolutely correct………
We want you Brits to leave……
Kindly leave the keys hanging on the door locks…....
Thanks for your visit
Hasta nunca…;-)
You have to spare a thought for the people whose livelihood depends on this business, especially as now the horse appears to have already bolted.
With ports in other countries competing to get their business, the cruise lines are not going to be pushed around, and as the article points out, as an industry they are more than capable acting in concert when they want to.
96 Nostrolldamus The 2nd
A course in modern (that’s contemporary to you) English might help, as the purpose of speaking any language is to communicate. Unless of course you plan to go on the TV show Countdown.
More misdirection on your part
The MS Veendam was not scheduled to stop at Port Stanley, its schedule is/was:-
Punta Arenas
Ushuaia
Puerto Madryn
Buenos Aires
Montevideo
Rio de Janeiro
Going to South America without visiting Buenos Aires, Iguazu Falls, the Whale watching sanctuary of Port Madryn/Valdez Peninsula, Perito Moreno Glacier, or saying you were in “Ushuaia” (where are the replacements for all of those in Chile, Uruguay, or the Falklands)... is like going to Europe and saying you skipped Paris, and having gone to the UK and visiting Cardiff but not London.
Beyond hilarious.
”The incident prompted two cruise ships, owned by German and Dutch companies (Carnival vessel AIDAcara and Holland America ship Veendam), to cancel scheduled calls on the Falklands……”
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/26/uk-appeals-to-eu-wto-and-imo-over-latest-argentine-intimidation-round-on-the-falklands
What a Turnip.....
Ah, Think. How was your tour today?
It's just unbelievable how things seem to work over there. Gosh, it's fun to watch.
Shows how thick they / you are then it's a different fookin colour to start with
It may be hard for you to believe but many people enjoy seeing South America without visiting Argentina. The country has been very good at marketing tourism there, even rehabilitating the reputation of the gauchos to make them a tourism figure. But tourists are holidaying. They don't need to go to places where they feel threatened or unwelcome. That hard-won market share can easily be lost if Fat-Max's thugs continue their silly games.
As for our Dover admiral perhaps he should do a Louis Vernet and repossess St Kilda Island and claim it for dispossesed exciled Malvinas Islanders (wherever they are) and claim it as a penal colony for Argentina and call it New Sangatte?
Really admiral I didnt know you had been playing boats on Salisbury Plain. Imber indeed! Perhaps you should read Goldsmiths Deserted Village ; and do a recce of the available accomodation which I seem to remember is only the church
Thanks Simon for your comment on the illegal immigrants ,ie the American Brook trout which think is off exterminating. I wondered who was going to take that mistake of his up!
Seabourn have stated that for their remaining cruises this summer - 2 more I think - both Ush and BA will be avoided - Stanley will be visited.
Both these lines are part of the Carnival Cruise group - expect to see more cruise revisions by the others over the next 24-48 hours. Which way - we will see.
Allowing those brownshirst on in BA past security was a serious breach by the Arg authorities of International Maritime Laws and Rules regarding Health and Safety of passengers etc.
Yet your Pres appeals to the similar Int bodies over the Libertad etc? - it really is hilarious!
As you can read below, I said that the Salvelinus Fontinalis was “Native American”
114 Think Dec 09th, 2012
(111) redpoll
Sorry to dissapoint you......., but my personal favourite and the one I catch most is the Native American Brook Trout......
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/07/overseas-territories-reaffirm-self-determination-and-call-for-de-listing-from-decolonization-committee
100% Native American….
From “La Patria Grande”, Mate….
I don't make mistakes when fly fishing.......
Boy…...... You just swallowed my “Red Humpy” ;-)
Feel free to return to Spain, or wherever your family emigrated from, whenever you want to.
Unfortunately for you malvinistas, we're not going anywhere that you'd like us to. We are staying in OUR(NOT your)land.
Get used to it.
@124 Think, aka Chief Squatting Turnip,
What you want & what you get are two different things entirely, old chap.
Hard cheese mate. See answer to your gooooooood mate Dod, above.
If you look at the published itinerary:-
South America Cruise with M/S Veendam - 13 Days from Valparaiso to Buenos Aires, departure 03/12/2012
you will find that it was not scheduled to stop at Port Stanley.
After having, in November, cancelled all their scheduled stops at Puerto Estanley, the Veendam has no scheduled stops at Puert Estanley.....
Nobody can fool you?...... Huhhhhhh?
it was even a British registered ship - the Veendam is registered in the Netherlands !
Buenos Aires, Dec 12 (Prensa Latina) The Nobel Peace Prize Adolfo Perez Esquivel warned here about the disturbing presence in Latin America of U.S. military bases that could be used by NATO member countries.
According to the Washington Treaty, all military bases of a NATO member state can be used in the framework of their missions, which means that U.S. facilities in Latin America are possible bases of that block, even if not officially display their Badge said. This, said the president of the Peace and Justice Service in Argentina - also includes our Malvinas Islands, a British military base. Pérez Esquivel gave the warning in a statement on the subject of starting here on Thursday, the Conference Intercontinental “Peace, disarmament and social alternatives to NATO Global”, which will bring together human rights organizations in Latin America, the U.S. and Europe. The forum, he said, is “an important space for discussion proposals for recovery resistance of our sovereignty, our rights, our resources and our future. ” Let's not forget that many people, subjected by fear to freedom, end up becoming permissive to the injustices and being dominated by those who believed that they would guarantee his safety, recalled the Nobel Peace Prize.'
www.prensa-latina.cu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&idioma=1&id=801101&Itemid=1
Try to write in English!
The Central of Workers (CGT) - Regional Ushuaia, reaffirmed his stance to defend the “inalienable rights on maritime spaces” and claimed the “prohibition of permanence, mooring, procurement or logistics operations flag vessels or UK convenience that perform operations in the Malvinas basin ”under Law No. 852, called Gaucho Rivero...'
www.shelknamsur.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11389%3Ala-cgt-insto-a-respetar-la-ley-gaucho-rivero-&catid=36%3Aportada&Itemid=1
What comes around goes around.
Now I hear the Barley crop is as bad as the wheat...can you make soy pasta and bread???
They say there is a dust bowl in the best farmland that could last for years and years due to eh warming Atlantic.
let BA drown and the farmland wither
Without farming what is left?
I think w/o the IMF blessing the cars mfgs will pack up and go to Brazil too
Patacones para todos
Kretina, Maximo and the thugs have hastened the revolution. When people start starving because they've been thrown out of work, they tend to start taking action against the people responsible. I would not be surprised to hear of a coup d'etat very soon.
I'm sure all the homosexuals working in the Police, the Fire Service, the NHS and the Armed Services keeping you safe this Christmas, really appreciate your disgusting comments!
Beyond hilarious.
His bothering the situation is not making it at all peaceful. Well done Norway, you bag of suicidal sheisters for endowing him with that seemingly misplaced honour.
You know what the most amusing hamartia about you is, “Elaine”? The fact that you are perhaps the most vociferous, persistent critic of mine in regards to what you claim is my penchant to foist personal viewpoints as apodictically applicable to all Argentines.
Yet you are constantly found culpable of this very same accusation, as we clearly observe at @132. So, if I may utilize your own home medicine, what you wrote is nothing more than your tendentious opinion, and not necessarily shared by anyone else.
“I bet that the passengers of the Seabourn Sojourn are not very happy after their cruise was not welcomed in Ushuaia”
They'll be safe, and won't get robbed. They'll enjoy the company of wonderful friendly people, who are happy to have them there.
Better than the t-shirt stalls and pick-pockets of the Argentine tourist trap.
Where are these “windy malvinas”? Can't find them on any map.
Do you mean the Maldives? Are they windy?
If the Falklands environment is not to your liking (“windy M******s”), why do you dedicate so much time and effort in your cyber warfare in trying to assist your country to capture the islands? I take it that you wouldn't live there if Argentina colonised the place? So what is the point of your obsession?
Oh dear. And these cruises weren't even going to the Falklands either.
It means the ban on all British ships from Argentina is working as planned. That is the law.
No it isn't. Read it again.
Just like you planned all along, brilliant.
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/Verbatim_Records/ITLOS_PV_12_C20_4_E.pdf
If you don't have time to read, here's the synopsis:
1. Argentina are talking cr*p.
2. They are talking cr*p in the wrong forum.
3. They could be talking cr*p in the right forum (court of appeal in Ghana) but are not, and certainly not doing so urgently, in a case they claim is urgent in this forum.
I don't have time for guessing games. I'm sure the cruise industry will suffer significantly when the customers find out their “South American” tour skips 1/5 of the landmass of South America.
Watch the profits for the industry go down.
I thought you said that cruise ships were full of people who hated Argentina and wouldn't want to visit anyway.
I should have perhaps added that most ships around bound to havre argie haters because most of the passengers are human, after all.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:23 pm
What a fascinating statement: “... that most ships around bound to havre argie haters because most of the passengers are human, after all.”
Are you saying that most human beings hate Argentina????
What the hell have we done to deserve that?????
As a matter of a fact, supposing that we ARE human beings, your theory is wrong, because at the very least somewhere in the region of 40 million Argentines probably rather like themselves!!!!!!
Therefor, most humans are Argie haters?
The ships can add other destinations and sell out. Nobody will miss Argentina except the RGs will certainly miss the U$. What do you think they won't allowed to be imported because of this? Syringes? Diapers?
I wonder
dustbowl
haha
Checked the countries trying to flood us with their products through the tyranny of the WTO?
You can' t make this stuff up!
hahahaha
FYI Argentina is using the same WTO to try to get their poisons lemons and tainted beef into the USA.
retard
LOL!!!!! YET AGAIN you get a public spanking!!!
Instead removing your foot from your mouth, you change the subject........
Seriously, have you had your tetinus shots???
LMFHO.
www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/argentine-thuggery-home-and-abroad_666372.html
'Cruise ship row 'strangling' Falkland Islands'
www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/cruises/cruise-news/9741833/Cruise-ship-row-strangling-Falkland-Islands.html
Lets’s keep things in perspective…....................…. Shall we?
The few cruises that have, for the time being cancelled their Argentinean leg represent, of course, a loss…. A small, acceptable loss…. A loss of ~0,005 – 0,01 % of the Argentinean GDP..... at worst.
On the other hand, the cancelled Cruises to the Malvinas Islands amount for a 15% - 20% of them Islands GDP!
As the excellent article that poster (179) Steve-32-uk has had the kindness of finding to us, says…:
”Around a quarter of the working population of the Falkland Islands is directly involved in cruise ship tourism, which is worth an estimated £10m to its economy.”
”Hattie Kilmartin, who runs the Sea Cabbage Cafe, a museum and a penguin tour at Bluff Cove Lagoon, said the islands have already lost 80 per cent of projected income this season.”
“But the outlook is bleak….. MS Veendam (was) due to make 10 trips to the Falklands – representing a quarter of all cruise passengers to the islands - but the latest cancellations have put those trips in doubt. This week Holland America removed references to the Falklands from its website…..”
Perspective my dear fellow fisherwoman…...............… perspective.
I take no pleasure from this saga, families from Argentina and the FI are losing their livelihoods. This RG state sponsored hooliganism is pathetic and sick. The RG Govt. are screwing their own people, so long as they hurt some of the FI's.
But ultimately 'Think' it won't bring you any nearer to achieving your colonial ambitions, and it makes your country look retarded.
Quite retarded indeed.
Your figures are nonsense. The cruise ships that cancelled do not represent 15-20% of FI GDP. That is simply utter rubbish and you know it.
183
That may or may not be the case but you really should post it on a suitable Blog somewhere that is addressing the issue. This thread is dealing with the cancellation and reconfiguration of cruise-line itineraries in the South Atlantic.
Well.....
That's your opinion and you are,of course, entitled to it......
As I am entitled to disagree with it...
It doesen't make you look “retarded”.
It doesn't make us look “retarded”.
El Think, Chubut, Patagonia Argentina.
750 Falklanders sitting waiting for a cruise ship,Think do you reckon they might have a second job?
You say:
Your figures are nonsense. The cruise ships that cancelled do not represent 15-20% of FI GDP. That is simply utter rubbish and you know it.
I say:
I stand corrected....
You are, of course, right...
I just got overenthusiastic and I know it.....
The cruise ships that cancelled do not represent 15-20% of MI GDP......
Not yet............. ;-)
ennotas.com/laboral-previsional/laboral/29086-pension-social-distinguida-vitalicia-ex-soldados-combatientes-y-civiles-de-malvinas/
'Pérez Esquivel urges rethink the concept of sovereignty'
www.prensa-latina.cu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&idioma=1&id=805281&Itemid=1
Anyone want to bet that if IMF kicks Arg out all the car mfgs make for the borders too?
So far we have lost 4 ships - one of those days was a gale so in reality all you have achieved to date is 3 ships lost to us - BUT - it is looking like Arg is going to loose a LOT MORE - and all we will loose for the rest of the summer is looking like just the bad weather ones which are inevitable.
You want to really find out how it will affect Argentina - phone your contrymen and women in the main tourist ports?
Oh and Hattie mentioned 80% of her anticipated Nov income only - and that is never a big month as early season.
Give us a new meaning to waiting around for their ship to come in.
tee hee
This woman needs to go back home and reture she is such an embarrasment
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEMS7diuDc
I feel no remorse for CFK and her thugs, but the people of the Argentine ports will suffer.
Not too sure what Dame Dover will do this summer. I'm sure his 'retired RN' persona will miss the extra $$$ he usually earns as a deckhand or one of those colourful local guides.
He should get a few coins in his tin cup spouting his usual blarney and seafaring yarns, to the elderly cruise tourists.
:- )
Ha ha. lol
Plenty of ferries - but no cruise ships
www.doverport.co.uk/?page=Cruises
Not that I need a website, since I can see one from my window.
There are no more scheduled cruises from Dover until the end of March !
If you really want to check try
www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?centerx=1.325312¢ery=51.117974&zoom=14
Dec 14th, 2012 - 10:05 am
“Not that I need a website, since I can see one from my window.”
Definetly a trip to Specsavers is indicated!!!!!
But what about my post at 122.
Cat got your tongue?
Just one?
That excludes Waterloo Crescent then….
Surely you mean Mornington Crescent ?
“No I won't be telling you that because it's absolutely tip-top secret, OK?”
So I am correct.
That leaves Aycliffe out too ;-)
You must mean Baker Street
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/03/argentina-rejects-complaint-accuses-uk-of-illegal-appropriation-of-malvinas-resources#comment194719
Drop Buenos Aires, use Montevideo as base port - a small cruise ship with 700 passengers on a 15 day cruise spends app 840,000 US$ on supplies in base port (food, drink, etc.) and a 1,000 passenger cruise on 21 days spends more than 1.5 million. Multiply by 20 cruises - they must be dancing from joy in Uruguay.
Imagine if the Argentine government gets the bright idea to send the thugs to Montevideo - what will the Uruguayan police do?
But for them it's ok for the French and Dutch to keep remnants of theirs.
You say:
”But for them it's ok for the French and Dutch to keep remnants of theirs….”
I say:
That’s because the Frogs (both French and Dutch) have always behaved nicely down here…
Les Goddam Brittunculi Rooineks on the other hand, have always behaved as a bunch of Haughty Bloody Bastards…..
Dern tootin'.
And what better way to keep the back of a certain type of foreigner up, than by posing as an unreconstructed colonialist caricature of the sort that died out about 50 years ago, except in the minds of a certain type of foreigner.
Now, personal history aside, do you have anything meaningful to add to the analysis of what motivates the Argentinean Malvinista such as Sr Think?
Foreigner……? Moi…..?
Permit me to usufruct from one of the seldom opportunities to introduce a minor adjustment in your otherwise astonishingly accurate stream of information….
For any “Neutral Observer”, that common and condescended British habit of employing the term “Foreigner” for anyone, anywhere South of 49° 51′ N, would be considered as flawed, even haughty……
I apply the term “foreigner” loosley to anyone from another country, and then only rarely. I usually describe people as belonging to whatever nation state/other grouping they belong to.
Most British people likewise use broadly similar language.
So that is basically a non-point that shows more about your perception of other peoples views of yourself than the reality on the ground.
Have a bit of an inferiority complex, do you?
The only thing I refer to Argentinans as ( apart form their national name) is “the enemy”, because that is what you are. Your country is no friend of ours, and goes out of it's way to remind us of that.
There's that popular “Squatterthinkspeak” word again---haughty.
Yes, Think, you most decidedly ARE a foreigner, & a haughty foreigner at that.
We don't have much time fur furriners, don't trust 'em much with their furriner ways, by gum.(even though l be 'alf o' one meself!! lol).
You'd love to lord it over the natives, wouldn't you haughty Colonialist Think?
Well, you'll have to go elsewhere as you have no chance here.
Merry Christmas Cher Think.
Merry Christmas to you too, Chère Isolde.....
May this be your last Christmas away from home, wherever that is......
Now there's a thing, living the life of a colonial of old in Brussels, Vienna and New York. I would have thought those were just overseas postings of the sort that's commonly on offer throughout the forces, civil service, NGOs, and multinational corporations. Of any country. But if there's a myth of Empire to uphold ...
Generally speaking, I'm quite happy to recognise that what motivates and sustains Malvinistas is a profound sense of injustice. The only problems are that the Malvinista sense of injustice is almost entirely unfounded, it seeks to resolve itself by making an even bigger injustice, and the Argentine government pursues it in such a way that it can never be satisfied.
This is like something out of a Greek tragedy, and you won't find a sufficient explanation for it in either the misdoings of the British Empire or some supposed jealousy of it. You have to look at the specific national cultural and political factors which sustain it. Prominent amongst these is an unstable political system with a tendency to violence, giving rise to the need for a unifying national cause. Cue the dastardly Brits.
Evidently, I’ll have to rephrase my badly redacted comment (225) to make it understandable to ”Non Foreigners”……..
I don’t mind Britons using and abusing the term “Foreigner”, when referring to “Foreigners”.
“Foreigners” are,after all, “Foreigners” aren’t they?
What I find haughty and reprehensible is when British subjects, opining, lecturing or preaching about local issues in, for example, Belgique, Belize, Brunei, Malvinas, Österreich, Sierra Leone or the USA refer to the locals as “Foreigners”….
Do you catch my drift?
What a load twaddle, having been based in Cyprus and Germany in the 60's and 70's, your comment of the colonial lifestyle is farcical.
Local compounds, you mean military barracks and the associated married living quarters.
I think not. Strange to be so badly out of step with everyone.
The “lower ranks” are awakening….
By the love of god Cmd. McDod… Don’t tell them what difference it makes to be BNRC, Etonian, Sandhurstian, or even a Dover Dukie….
Don’t tell them, Pike ;-)
We now have to put up with noises from the rear end of the pantomime horse!
Best things come from the rear end of the horse...... as any “Constant Gardener” would tell you.....
“O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us” springs to mind.
But why address your rant to the front end of the pantomime horse?
Not only do I object being called “foreigner” in my own ground by some foreigners squatting on it…. I do also object being called a “foreigner” in my own soil by the foreigner overseers of the above mentioned foreigners squatting on my own land.....
Congratulations Mr McDod
You were right……. again :-)
“The Tribunal,
Unanimously,
Prescribes, pending a decision by the Annex VII arbitral tribunal, the following provisional measures under article 290, paragraph 5, of the Convention:
Ghana shall forthwith and unconditionally release the frigate ARA Libertad, shall ensure that the frigate ARA Libertad, its Commander and crew are able to leave the port of Tema and the maritime areas under the jurisdiction of Ghana, and shall ensure that the frigate ARA Libertad is resupplied to that end.
Shunji YANAI
President”
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Order_15_12_2012.pdf
'them' in 'for them' doesn't mean Argentines
232
They use 'foreigner' probably because they don't know any word that means 'anyone who isn't of the same nationality as me regardless of whether they are in their own country, mine, or anyone else's.
@242. Thanks for that and I'm pleased that the right thing is being done in ordering the release of the ship. Be it a warship or an auxiliary it is a symbol of the state and seizing it was an affront to all other states not just to Argentina. Worse, it would have set a precedent that had the potential to threaten peaceful relations between states in the future.
That was and is my evaluation too........
Next.... We take Manhattan....
Congratulations Argentina you must be pleased. I guessed the decision incorrectly, and fortunately there were wiser heads than mine. I suspect that after Ghana complies, she will probably ask the ICJ to review the ruling. Which they will probably ratify. It appears that the over riding concern was the avoidance of possible conflict.
All in all, a good month...
Good news from NYSE (YPF)
Good news from Hamburg (Ship)
Good news from Mexico City (Cars)
Good news from Buenos Aires (Press Law)
Good news from Puerto Estanley ( No Ships )
Good news from New York City (Vulture Funds)
More good news from Puerto Estanley ( No - Oil )
Precisely as the “Anglo Doomsday Preppers” had “Predicted” :-)
A merry Christmas to all British Squatters in Malvinas, though......
Let's hope this will be your last Chrismas away from Home, wherever that is.
You ain't got them there islands though has ya Think old man?
Chuckle chuckle (haughtily)
Nope......, we ain't gotta them Islands yet ya squatting Ol' Kelper......
But we are zeroing in....
The new Bloggs Disco will be an antique and you still be zeroing in old man. I suspect you'll have handed over to the next generation of sad old Malvinista by then.
Chuckle chuckle (haughtily)
For what it's worth I'm glad you got that fine old girl out of Ghana. Just a shame your state's financial affairs are in such a state that the whole saga was possible in the first place.
We have more in common than we both think! Apparently.
I have always had a soft spot for good Anglo Bards....
Like this two lads .....
Enjoy....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC6n2Wfcu40
You're no gardener if you put horse manure on it.
Unless your horse has been grain-fed & not allowed to free range.
Best way to get a crop of assorted weeds.
Cow manure is the way to go.
You're no countryman, thats for sure.
City slicker!
@228 Think,
You won't get your Christmas wish, Cher Think.
l'll be here for many a Xmas yet.
Quite probably until you cross the great divide, anyway. ho ho ho.
@248 Joe Bloggs,
l like the haughty chuckles!
Ship engineer, mother of four and still so refreshingly uncomplicated and `”down to earth””....
I didn’t just write “Gardener” dearest…. I wrote “Constant Gardener”.
Need a clue…?
Fernando Meirelles… What…? Not in your Ozzie High School dictionary, you say….?
Try “John le Carré” ……............Yeahhh; I figured he would be ;-)
Falkland go bragh!
“A merry Christmas to all British Squatters in Malvinas, though”
And a merry christmas to the spanish/italian/european squatters in Argentina
Bad news from NY with Repsol suing Chevron (YPF)
Bad news for the economy (Even higher inflation)
Bad news from Panama City (another WTO complaint)
Bad news from Buenos Aires (Press Law)
Bad news from Ushuaia (Less and less Ships)
Bad news for the most (quality of life dropping, gas clouds, floods)
More bad news as 2013 energy imports will break records (No investment)
Precisely as the “Anglo Doomsday Preppers” had “Predicted” :-)
A Merry Christmas to all Falkland Islanders...
It sure beats the hell out of the Christmas most Argentineans will experience.
“Chère Isolde” !!!
wow, a weird kind of 'Think flirtation' .
Leather outfits and cat o' nine-tails next, Think ??
LOL
Your post doesn't make much sense, but that's ok.
You put what you like on your garden, my good man.
Didn't see the film.
l don't go much on most fiction,
l find that true stories are much more interesting.
One of the reasons that l collect autobiographies.
@259 Troy Tempest,
You'll have to excuse señor Think.
He goes off on a tangent sometimes.
Hes had the malvinista injection, or been dropped on his head when he was a baby.
A spirit as yours must be somehow intellectually challenged in them Islands, Isolde dear…
Why on Earth would you else insist in your “Exchanges” with (using your own words) an “Old Deluded Malvinista?
Anyhow…… You say …:
”I don't go much on most fiction….l find that true stories are much more interesting”.
Well………..
The ”Constant Gardener” book is based on a very TRUE story, my little buttercup.
As his author, John le Carré said…. : “As my journey through the pharmaceutical jungle progressed, I came to realize that, by comparison with reality, my story was as tame as a holiday postcard.”
www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-42840653/claim-lecarres-the-constant-gardener-was-based-on-pfizer-trovan-case/
Besides….
The ”Constant Gardener” book is dedicated to a TRULY wonderful woman, my little honeybunch…:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvette_Pierpaoli
Fiction…. Reality…. Where does one end….? Where does the other begin,……. carissima Isolde?
PS:
I noticed that, at (254); you didn’t define them Islands as your “Home”…
Just “Thinking” aloud………..
Where is “Home” for a Colonial Nomad?
Is there a “Home” for a Colonial Nomad?
You know what those babies cost in the USA?
Forty (40) / Fifty (50) American Dollars a Pound!
www.tovahcaviar.com/product/110708
Send the Wee Ones to the fields to collect free dinner for the family, matey......
You are, after all, a Scotsman…. ain’t you?
I send you an article about Giant African Snails (Achatina fulica) being farmed in France and sold internationally as the true delicacy they are….
Are you, by chance, one of those “Sophisticated Anglo-Yorugas” that don’t dare to eat carpincho, comadreja, cuis, lagarto overo, vizcacha,vieja de agua and other fine South American bush tucker by chance?
So tell me Think you slippery old fool. Why is it that Uruguay and Chile won't support CFK by not allowing the cruise ships to dock in their ports? They DO support CFK, don't they?
Chuckle chuckle (with a deep haughty voice).
You say: Corvette
I (and the rest of the world) say: Frigate
But anyway, forget that. When is the Espora coming home? She's almost 30 years old. Didn't you old sea dogs read the maintenance manuals? She needs some oil from time to time. Maybe Libertad could collect her while she's over their. Put her on tow. Your oldest and your newest classes on display in one fine act of Argentine heroism.
Really think you are giving people a very bad impression of Chubut province if you claim to represent it. Just watched a programme on CRUR entitled Chubut Infinito and I see there are a lot of people down there thinking about sustainable and holistic agriculture. So fellow posters dont run away with the idea that Mr Clunk is typical of all the folk down there
You can probably already see where this is leading....
It's rather like we call a British Overseas Territory (BOT) what everyone else calls a colony.
Don’t be such a “Sissy Moral Preacher”, boy…..
1) To respect nature you have to know how it tastes….
2) I would guess that the agrochemicals you use on one of your rice crops kill more wildlife than I have shot and eaten in my entire life…..
3) Have you started paying you workers pension and health contributions or do you still pay them in “black”?
Canal rural…....... Chubut Infinito…......... Huhhhhhhhh?
Small world…………….
Guess who tamed some of those Puerto Piramides Pingos with Doma India?…… ;-)
(268) Mr. McDod
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, Cmdr....
Have some mercy on Joe....
:-)))
No they don't.
Anyone with any manners, (which is most people), calls us whatever we would like to be called.
Enough already. You're like a stuck record.
Thats my whole argument, Thinkus, ..............“based on a true story”............
That word again, ..........“based”.................
Almost as silly as your ridiculous “claim” to OUR lslands.
Have you been up the whisky again, Think?
You sound, er, well, flippant.
”It's rather like we call a British Overseas Territory (BOT) what everyone else calls a colony.”
Excluding Argentina and South America's crusade against Falkland Islands, who refers to British Overseas Territories as colonies?
Some people really need to learn the definition of colony.
What would you call them if the Argentinians ever get their hands on them - “The Argentinian occupied territories”?
A “colony”?
What about an “ethnically cleansed area” if some of the more extreme Argentinians had their way.
All those titles are much better aren't they....................not.
Well that's jolly interesting. The entry for the Falkland Islands doesn't mention the word 'colony' at all. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands
Well, jolly interesting you mention that.........
That's maybe because the entry for the Falkland Islands has been written and redacted by keyboard warriors like Justin(hishead)Kuntz, aka Wee Curry Monster .............
( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wee_Curry_Monster )
Keyboard warriors that have tried to keep that article as “Falklandista” as possible......
Luckily these Anti-Wiki elements are becoming rarer and losing their cyber battles....
I would recommend you a less biased entry:
“The name ”British Overseas Territory“ was introduced by the British Overseas Territories Act 2002, replacing the name British Dependent Territory introduced by the British Nationality Act 1981. Before 1981, the territories were known as Crown colonies.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories
Sucker. I was hoping to troll your evil twin into saying that Wiki was a load of biased nonsense but you beat him to it.
And who do you suppose wrote that semi- literate load of bollocks entitled 'Colony'?
OMG both Think and Doveoverdover use Wikipedia as a referencing tool.
Wiki is NOT a load of biased nonsense as you very well know…..
Wiki is a outstanding democratization, gathering and spreading of information project, incredible successful for 99,99% of its content………
But,…… some “Contentious Political Issues” as, for example, the Malvinas, Gibraltar or Israel attract fanatical types of “collaborators” that do not want to understand the idea back Wiki….
Luckily they are an immensely little minority and tend to get tired and angry at the enormous majority and leave……. or are asked to leave…
Perfect example of the above…: British Mr. Justin(hishead)Kuntz aka Wee Curry Monster that wrote this polite farewell salute on his Wiki-User Page before being “leaved”…:
“ RETIRED
THIS USER IS NOT LONGER ACTIVE IN WIKIPEDIA
Content editors are scum, Wikipedia is not about creating an encyclopedia at all”
His above salute is, as most of his contributed info, are false….. He is still active trying to keep his Wikipedia “Holy Grails” (Gibraltar & the Malvinas Islands) as British as possible ……
Thats only your(thoroughly biased)opinion, Thinkus.
Oh, and your accomplice's mis-informed opinions, also.
Most of what you pair spout, can/should be taken with a grain of salt.
Anyway, l/we don't care whether you think we are a colony or not.
lts none of your business at all.
You drink as much as you like, thats not my business either! lol
Actually, I would much prefer the UK to be the UK of Great Britain (No to an Independent Scotland), Northern Ireland and the Overseas Territories (including the non-colonial Dependencies) as the effective way to decolonise. The icing on the cake would be for this new UK to be outside the EU and for the EU to replace France on the UN Security Council. But then I'm evil.
Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set;
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet....
Speaking of “shooting your mouth off”, for someone who painfully strives to be pedantic and sound British and educated; you pretty much missed the boat on all three
You claim ”It's rather like we call a British Overseas Territory (BOT) what everyone else calls a colony.“ and yet when challenged, you come back with a Wikipedia entry…
WIKIPEDIA?! My God, universities in my country won't even accept wikipedia entries as source material. For very good reason.
And the UN? Where do they clearly state that the Falkland Islands are a colony? Because they use ”De-Coloni-sation“. It calls the territories ”Non Self-governing Territories”. Not colonies. Indeed, the same committee dealt with Trust Territories and still used the word decolonisation - not detrustterritorisation... (easy to see why).
So no, the UN doesn't use the word 'colony'. They refer to the Islands as a 'territory'…… you know the same word at the end of term: British Overseas Territory.
Live up to your username! If you insist on using Wikipedia, then at least use a quote that backs you up. You just clearly stated that the BOTs haven't been referred to as colonies since 1981.
I suggest you and Doveoverdover sit down together and have a coffee and study what a territory is. Canada has 3 territories. Australia has 10. India has 7. The US has 5 with large populations. And France has 1.
I'm sure the 20 million Indians living in union territories would be surprised to learn they are colonies now.
A territory is a political subdivision of a country that lacks its own sovereignty and is ruled either fully or partially by a central government - sorry if that isn't a wikipedia definition but then I can actually think for myself.
The UN is the sum of its parts and doesn't always get everything right. Compromise is the nature of politics. Outside of Gibraltar (treaty with Spain), Akrotiri & Dhekelia (treaty with Cyprus) and South Georgia & South Sandwich Islands (no civilian population), there is nothing stopping any of the BOTs declaring independence.
It's very difficult to decolonise people who just don't see themselves as a colony. No matter how much people ignore them. Disenfranchising may have once been a European fault, but it fast becoming popular in the developing world it would seem.
Of course malvinistas don't like the truth.
lt interfers with their version of history & their “grand plan”.
Tough cheese old chap, thats the way it is.
Sorry.
It's biased when it doesn't reflect your view of the world and 'outstandingly democratic and successful' when it does.
Does that about summarise it?
The Argentine government will be hoping that this news doesn't filter down too far and if it does, I expect the usual lies trotted out about 'vulture tourist operators' and their interference in internal affairs.
With the currency controls and severely overvalued exchange rate in place strangling the economy, Argentina isn't great value for money. No matter how much a cruise costs, a tourist still wants their spending money to go a long way.
Uruguay, Chile and the Falkland Islands offer much better value. And less chance of violence too.
Whatever you said, it wasn't me that asked for it to be removed.
If you run out of arguments and resort to making asinine mysoginistic remarks, then so much the better.
What's so wrong about asking you women to go back into the cave (of Socrates ;-) ?
It MUST be Lisa Watson playing the editor this week!
Snitcher & Whiner Woman....
Chuckle chuckle©....
Still, it seemed to work. The offending post has gone. The one that highlighted the entirely unreasonable request for those two posters of the feminine gender to make their way back to their British Subterranean Territory (BST). The BST wherein a fire flickers casting shadows upon the wall causing cognitive confusion to the occupants, many of whom have resided there for 8 or 9 generations.
I blame Anglotino for starting this off and the editor for agreeing to it.
Can't live on the computer ALL day.
Still, l'm glad that Think & his side-kick had their bums smacked.
Now into the naughty corner for you, Thinkus.
You're the ringleader.
So, Anglotino, what else is new?
Ain't Monty96's words at (294) just a luuuuvely example of feminine discussion technique?
1) “Whatever you said, it wasn't me that asked for it to be removed.....”
(Meaning...: I didn't read it......; it wasn't me that stitched.....)
2) “ ......If you run out of arguments and resort to making asinine mysoginistic remarks, then so much the better.”
(Meaning...: I did read it......; it was me that stitched....... ;-)
Anyhow, I concord with you in blaming Anglotino for the whole affaire.....
You are free to blame whomever you wish. That doesn't change the actual facts. Attempting to absolve yourself and point the finger is really quite juvenile.
The fact is; you resorted to insults when challenged on claims you made. I am still waiting on you to support your statement that British Overseas Territories are called colonies by “everyone else”.
Be proud and stick to your beliefs. If you claim something, prove it. Wikipedia is a great resource for primary school students but for someone of your supposed experience and intelligence it is nothing more than a farce.
Unless you made an off the cuff remark that you now regret.
All you have done is deflect. Deflection is not an answer. So I clearly ask again:
Excluding Argentina and South America's crusade against the Falkland Islands, who refers to British Overseas Territories as colonies?
An answer or another deflection?
Ain't Isolde's words at (298) just a luuuuvely example of feminine discussion technique too?
1) “ l didn't see the removed posts, pity..... Can't live on the computer ALL day..”
(Meaning...: I didn't read it......; I wasn't here to stitch.....)
2) “ ...... Still, l'm glad that Think & his side-kick had their bums smacked.”
(Meaning...: I did read it......; it was me that stitched....... ;-)
Them Women must be chained right besides each other (in that British South-Atlantic Socratic Cave, that is)
You are not only a “Sissy Morality Preacher” as I told you at (267) .......you are also a big, humorless Turnip.........
Any lesser Turnip would have understood that the “Cave” in question was the Socratic one.....
Besides..... Since when are Women a race?
They are aliens from another planet, matey! ;-)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Are_from_Mars,_Women_Are_from_Venus
PS:
My most sincere apologies to Monty96 and Isolde.........
I knew (well.... almost knew) that you are no stitchers......
Just “pulling your lovely leg”, lasses.......
www.thefreedictionary.com/British+overseas+territories
and this....
www.centreforcitizenship.org/over.html
(“However, they remain colonies in all but name”.)
and this
www.ipo.gov.uk/pro-policy/policy-information/extendukip/extendukip-anguilla.htm
(Yes, that's a UK Government Website)
and this
www.lawreports.com/falkland.htm
(You even get a Flag with this one - try reading the words carefully)
I think that's penance enough. Now go away.
Listen to your accomplice, its “Snitch” NOT “Stitch”.
Stitch or stitch-up is when you are blamed for something that you didn't do.
Especially by the Politzei.
Our American cousins call it “framed”.
@304 DoD,
Who cares? Call us a colony if it makes you feel happy.
We don't give a rat's arse what you Argentines think.
“Just “pulling your lovely leg”, lasses”
creepy...
You say:
Listen to your accomplice, its “Snitch” NOT “Stitch”.
I say:
My bad....
Must write a hundred times.... “Snitch” “Snitch”“Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch”“Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch”“Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch” “Snitch”
Anyhow..... Yet another proof that Mr. McDod is much more knowledgy, smarter and “Intelligenter” than me in all things English.....
PS:
It's Polizei, not Politzei......
Grüssli
El Think
You say the only way to respect wildlife is to kill it and taste it. From some of your pungent and venemous comments you have been eating too many skunks and yararas (which is a poisonous viper) just lately
“Snitching”? Have we moved from primary school to prison now?
www.freedictionary.com
Doesn't have a reference to BOT. Just redirects for Crown Colony. Interesting that its most recent reference is from the American Heritage Dictionary which DOESN'T redirect when you use their website.
FAIL!
www.centreforcitizenship.org
Doesn't have a street address, has no information on the actual organisation such as directors, nor is it a registered company. It's a blog and a personal opinion. Here's another blog www.ufo-blogger.com/ Funny what you can write.
FAIL!
www.ipo.gov.uk
It quite clearly states Anguilla is a “ Self-governing British Overseas Territory”. Though it returned to colonial status in 1980….. 1980!!!!! A historical note to give context to Anguilla's legal history.
FAIL!
www.lawreports.com
Yes, I read this quite carefully. It is a shame that you did not. Nowhere does it state that a BOT is a colony. It talks of a compendium of Falkland Islands law. The first since 1950. And of course this naturally includes British Colonial law. I for one will never argue that it wasn't once a colony, so of course it has Colonial laws. Australia, Canada, the US all have British Colonial laws.
FAIL!
Excluding Argentina and South America's crusade against the Falkland Islands, who refers to British Overseas Territories as colonies?
Such a simple question and you just can't answer it.
At least you replied without insults. So kudos for trying even though it was a spectacular fail.
Outside of Argentina and the po faces of South American politicians, no one refers to the British Overseas Territories as colonies.
“ Outside of Argentina and the po faces of South American politicians, no one refers to the British Overseas Territories as colonies. ”
Well....maybe top officer of FCO Mr Hague coul be argentine....thats explain everything.
His words:
“ Foreign Secretary William Hague in particular, want to have a closer “hands-on” relationship with the governments of the former colonies, now officially known as the overseas territories. ”
en.mercopress.com/2012/06/25/foreign-secretary-wants-hands-on-relationship-with-overseas-territories
You do know what 'former' means, don't you? If not, I suggest you look it up in a dictionary.
I'd really like to say that was a good attempt. But I can't lie. It was quite pathetic really!
No one is going to argue that they aren't FORMER colonies. I said so myself @309 and will now - the Falkland Islands were once a colony. But then again so was Australia, India, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Chile etc etc etc. Just because they were once colonies does not make them current colonies. Unless you dispute Argentina's current sovereign status.
FAIL!
Next.....
Let's start with a dictionary definition or two courtesy of the web.
www.thefreedictionary.com/colony
and highlight just the first, from an American Dictionary:
a. A group of emigrants or their descendants who settle in a distant territory but remain subject to or closely associated with the parent country.
b. A territory thus settled.
Yep that's the Falkland Islanders and the Island hit in one. Not a Crown Colony anymore but still a colony. And that's just the English language. It also puts the automatic linking of BOT to Crown Colony into perspective too.
Let me help you with some intellectual property.
“Anguilla has broken away from the St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla federation and resumed its status as a British Colony.”
Note the tense, note the date of the web page, note the use of “status”. Note that the title may be BOT but the status is colony (even if the editor misuses the upper case C).
Let me observe that a street address in the age of modern communications is practically irrelevant. The Centre offers you an email address and phone numbers. That's more than you and I are offering each other using this medium.
Let's finish with Law Reports.
“This is not only a vital major publishing project for the Falkland Islands but it is also the first British Colonial law revision to incorporate comprehensive details of all local and UK legislation applicable to the Colony, and to be fully annotated. Significant reports of decisions of the Falkland Islands courts are published for the first time.”
Note the date, note the tense and note the absence of the word “former” so readily used in previous posts to demonstrate transition from a previous state.
And a job tip. Don't ever apply to be an exam marker. You're just not up to it.
You are of course, correct with your spelling of Polizei.
l was going to spin some blarney about leaving it there for you to find! lol.
But no, l spelt it as l would say it & thats not correct.
But that doesn't let you off the hook re the Falklands.
You are still very wrong on that account.
Your sidekick is firing on all 16 cylinders now.
What a pity that he/she/it has got it all wrong.
FYI, M.DoD, We don't care how you classify us.
Your opinion doesn't count here anyway.
Frustrating for you, no?
Merry Christmas everyone.
What a pity you can't explain why you think I've got it all wrong.
It took entire night's sleep for you to write that. Oh dear!
You have made a statement and can't back up your claim. @268 you clearly claim that everyone calls the BOTs colonies.
Everyone.
I don't disagree with the definition of colony. I see you have moved on from your initial dictionary claim using this website. Mind you according to your definition the following countries are now colonies: Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Belize, PNG, Jamaica, Bahamas, plus others. Seems that the UN was wrong to state some of these were decolonised.
Sorry but that was another FAIL. You just recolonised tens of millions of people.
As for the IPO office, it is amazing that you use semantics to make your case but then so selectively chose to ignore other words that prove you wrong. Maybe you are still stuck in 1980 when Anguilla “resumed its status as a British Colony”. But thank you for highlighting that the editor made a mistake....
Again, this is not everyone! Mind you Anguilla doesn't seem to update its websites much-www.gov.ai/anguillafacts.php is very interesting.
So still a FAIL!
The Centre for Citizenship. I'm still laughing at this one. Probably worse than your Wikipedia faux pas. Is this your blog? Prove it isn't! Hence the problem.
Purely a single person's opinion - again not everyone. Repeat FAIL!
Finally you do realise Law Reports International Ltd is a publisher. And that the this page is an advertisement from 7 years ago that updated a book published 55 years earlier. When the Falklands were a colony.
You accuse me of lacking skills, and yet your entire argument rests of an online dictionary that doesn't define a BOT, a blog, the incorrect tense on a government website and a poorly constructed advertisement from 7 years ago.
And that is EVERYONE? 7 billion people and nearly 200 countries!
Talk about clutching at straws. Where's the quotes. The news stories. The dissertations. Articles.
Do you follow?
Please get a day job.
Not the UN, EU, IMF....
If NSGT is one definition of a colony, where is this stated?
I'm still trying to find someone in the here and now that refers to them as colonies. I don't disagree they were once Crown Colonies. Saying that all the UK has done is change their names is a bit simplistic (there is a theme here with your logic though). And though Australian states were Crown Colonies, what were they between 1901 and 1984 then. Before the Australia Act they were colonies according to you. Indeed, what was Australia before 1984?
According to you, they were a colony.
I'm not making this up, you keep presenting your facts that tie your own logic in knots. Not me.
Other than Argentina, no one calls them a colony anymore. In the past yes.
But now.... no!
So, to summarise, they used to be called colonies and some people still do call them colonies.
I suggest you hurry up and make whatever point you are labouring towards before we all die of boredom.
Otherwise, as Mr M would say, why don't you take this 10p and call someone who gives a s*^% ?
It is necessary and sufficient for just one non-Argentinean person to call the Falkland Islands and it's population a British a colony for you to demonstrably wrong. I'm Scottish/British and I call the Falkland Islands and its population a British colony. There, wasn't that easy; no sleep needed.
No luck with the day job yet I see.
MALVINAS IS A COLONY OR NOT ??
-- What United Nations think about it ??
-- What the purpose of Special Committee created by UN for analyze Decolonization issues ?
”..The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of COLONIAL Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of DESCOLONIZATION. “
”. The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation}. ”
www.un.org/en/decolonization/specialcommittee.shtml
- SO-----In which territories is applicable ???? should be a COLONY right ??
www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
Well.. Malvinas is listed in those territories…ERGO…MALVINAS IS A COLONY IN THE EYES OF UN.
So now , lets try to answer your doubts about your statements:
a) So no one calls them colonies …....
IS LIE, United Nations see Malvinas as a COLONY .
b) If NSGT is one definition of a colony, where is this stated?
look In UN main page OF DESCOLONIZATION SPECIAL COMITTE I gave you above.
c) I'm still trying to find someone in the here and now that refers to them as colonies.
Complete world except UK see Malvinas (as well other territories ) as COLONIES.
That’s a FACT my obtuse friend.
''Granting of Independence of COLONIAL Countries and Peoples'' ??
I'm quite happy with that.
I'm guessing you're happy for us to be a 'country' and a 'people' as well as a 'colony'? And for us to be granted independence one day?
Well why didn't you say so in the first place?
”. The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation}. ”
if C-24 until now doesn´t gave you sef-determination or whatever you´re asking.....means that you´re NOT considered a country nor people distinct from the metropolis (UK)
continue dreaming dear....thats the main reason why your flag say “Disire the right”.....only a desire.
in my opinion a FANTASY, Malvinas never ever will have that right. FACT
Let me take you back to where this all started (@266)
“Joe Bloggs” with all the bluff bluster and misplaced certainty of a naive Lt on Ex LONG LOOK says ”You say: Corvette.
I (and the rest of the world) say: Frigate”.
No they don't says I. A frigate is a frigate and the British call what others call a Corvette an Offshore Patrol Vessel.
First point; JB is not always, in fact is seldom, right.
Second point: One should never generalise.
The problem was I too generalised (over BOT and Colony) and that alerted the Thought Police. Accused and challenged in public, I had to manipulate PC Plod of the Pedant Squad into doing the same. It took some time and a good nights sleep but I got there in the end.
Third point: We can all make mistakes.
Fourth point: People who themselves make mistakes shouldn't hound other people over their mistakes.
Oh and glad so see you too think the Falkland Islands are a colony. Why didn't you say so in the first place?
@327 Probably all you can really say is that they are not yet considered politically mature or numerous enough to be considered a country or a people. The policy of bringing in faster breeding stock from nearby Catholic countries may be an attempt by JB and his immigration control mates to correct one aspect of this. Subject of course to keeping the ethnic “temperature” comfortable through bringing in more Brits like JB too.
Last time I looked we were on that list of ''Territories to which the Declaration is applicable''.
And in that list, the C24 makes no distinction between the territories, but lists the Falklands as a territory awaiting the 'granting of independence' along with all the others.
It was nice to hear Ban Ki Moon remind everybody that we should be allowed to choose, wasn't it?
If you can find a link anywhere to the UN saying we should become a colony of Argentina, I'd be happy to see it.
Thanks in advance.
Let me interpret. ” The relevant UN bodies (GA, 4th Ctte) don't think that the Falkland Islands have a population with the requisite level of capacity to decide their own future as yet.”
That's one reason why the March Referendum is not going to be a silver bullet and why I don't think there will be a UN monitoring team to oversee it.
”don't think that the Falkland Islands have a population with the requisite level of capacity to decide their own future as yet.”
Mmm, no.
Article 3 of UNGA resolution 1514 says:
3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.
You say:
“The policy of bringing in faster breeding stock from nearby Catholic countries may be an attempt by JB and his immigration control mates to correct one aspect of this. Subject of course to keeping the ethnic “temperature” comfortable through bringing in more Brits like JB too.”
I say:
DO NOT WORRY,….. THE CATHOLICS ARE BEING MONITORED….. ;-)
1) It doesn't matter how fast the imported catholic Chilean stock breeds……, if the parents don’t have “Falkland Islands Status”, the offspring doesn’t get “Falkland Islands Status”…..
The mere detail of being born in them Islands is an irrelevant fact for them Kelpers….
2) Speaking about “Falkland Islands Status”……
Supposedly, after seven years of permanent residence in them Islands, you can apply for “Falkland Islands Status”……..
BUT, there is a ”little hurdle”…..
There is a maximum of 30 (thirty) new ”Falkland Islands Status” granted per year.....
And they are granted after, let’s put it mildly, very “peculiar” rules….
3) At this pace, them Islands can expect to double their current population in about ….............................. 100 years.
(331) redpoll
Let me correct my previous opinion about you.....
You are no turnip...
You are an asshole...
You say:
There is a maximum of 30 (thirty) new ”Falkland Islands Status” granted per year.....
And they are granted after, let’s put it mildly, very “peculiar” rules….
3) At this pace, them Islands can expect to double their current population in about ….............................. 100 years.
I say: Ah, but you're forgetting something.
Hey Think Did you like our dear QEII's latest gift? A nice little chunk of our BAT named after her. Does your AAT have a piece named after dear Cristina?
'Let me interpret. ” The relevant UN bodies (GA, 4th Ctte) don't think that the Falkland Islands have a population with the requisite level of capacity to decide their own future as yet.” '
That's a novel interpretation. What supporting justification do you have for it?
You say:
“Ah, but you're forgetting something. ”
I say:
What did I forget.....?
To mention them Chileans that have resided in them Islands for more than 10 years........ but can't get their “ Precious F*ø%land Status” because of “ADMINISTRATIVE” reasons?
Oh, don't worry about him. Are you familiar with the British TV show Faulty Towers? The character the Major?
Think hard Think. Nothing to do with los chilenos. Nothing to do with administrative reasons. Not even anything to do with my shower mixer tap. It's staring you in the face old man.
United Nations already made his stament about it
“..The chair of the UN Decolonisation Committee ... described the UK announcement of a referendum in the Malvinas Islands as a “political ploy”, insisting that the Falkland Islanders can not appeal to the right of self determination. ”
and...
“There are two issues: self determination and territorial integrity of States. You can’t accept a form of colonization when there is a principle of territorial integrity, which is the applicable form in the Malvinas case”.
and...
”..The position of England is not that of an administrative power, it is that of an occupying power. It does not administrate a colony that can be claimed as independent. That figure does not exist in the C24”,
so my dear squatter.....UN speak clear and loud.
no way Malvinas gonna be independient in the near 300000 years ahead....thats a FACT, keep dreaming
en.mercopress.com/2012/06/16/c24-chair-calls-falklands-referendum-political-ploy-praises-argentine-president
The only trouble is so_far you can't get rid of us.
If DoveoverDover is the Mayor…..
Monty96 & Isolde are Polly….
HansNielsund is Manuel….
I’m, of course, are Sybill…..
Then..., you must be…. Basil....
(341) Joe Bloggs
Speak straight, Basil.....
Nobody understands your “Funny Walks”.....
Raise you one Secretary General saying otherwise.
Sorry Think but you are without a doubt Manuel.
The Falklands Islanders you STUPID man (Basil smacks Manuel about the head). They're everywhere. Why, there's more of the damn things living abroad than there are living in those blasted islands. Now get back in the kitchen before I beat you to death! Another drink Major?
United Nations don´t support self-determination for Malvinas case.......they support territorial integrity and advice sovergnity talks negotiations between 2 parties, (UK-AR)....
never ever ever ever ever talk about Kelpers dream......nor his fake referendum.
you already know all this...don´t be a yawn man
please
I'm reminded more of Del Boy Trotter's Uncle Albert.
Captain Mannering from Dad's Army
Sancho Panza and Don Quixote.
You say:
“ The only trouble is so_far you can't get rid of us. ”
The same phrase was used by brits in the past 50 years in India, Egypt, Asia, etc.etc .... they all have something in common:
they were wrong and one day all those places could actually get rid of you.
so my unpleaseant squatter ...It is only a matter of time.
You have 44 million people in the door of your house waiting for the appropriate time.....
going to be fun and so cheap for Argentina and Latin America see the outcome in the next 10-20 years...
but hey-----who cares about what your future generations will have to deal with ?
Enjoy now...isn´t it ?
:-)
There can be only one response to that amount of fecal material:
Ha, ha, ha to the power googol (if you have ANY idea what that means).
My Argie friend pgerman once remarked that talking to a Malvinista was like talking to a fridge. No matter what you say to it, it just keeps making the same low humming noise.
The Falklands Islanders living abroad...?
I can't imagine those old Gits wanting to abandon their beach paradises at Cookarrabarramonga Beach (Oz) or Araerateaoareaterapera Beach (NZ) to spend the rest of their life freezing in Puerto Estanley, mate.
But.........
If you want, I could surely gather a few thousand true Falkland descendants down here in Chubut and Santa Cruz, willing to move to them Islands...
Would you like that?
Sorry Think but you are without a doubt Manuel.
The Falklands Islanders you STUPID man (Basil smacks Manuel about the head). They're everywhere. Why, there's more of the damn things living abroad than there are living in those blasted islands. Now get back in the kitchen before I beat you to death! Another drink Major?
What are you quoting?
Post a link or pipe down.
And if the only person you can find to quote is the chair of the C24 , then don't bother. Because you know what? I could care less what your cronies in the C24 have to say, because we don't have to listen to a word they say.
Right, the UNGA is going to apply to the NSGTs different criteria to the criteria it wants the MSs to apply to them.
Think,
The parents don't have to have FS for the child to have FS at birth.
A child will have FS at birth if it's a citizen at birth and its parents are permanently resident in the Falklands.
(note that the permanently resident rule excludes people from the UK who are temporarily resident)
A child is a citizen at birth if its parents are citizens or, not having citizenship, are settled in the territory.
'citizen' here means any type of citizen: British Citizen, British Overseas Territory Citizen, etc
'territory' here means the UK for British Citizenship, or any OT for British Overseas Territory Citizenship
A person can apply for naturalisation as a BOTC after 3 years residence in an OT.
The FI constitution gives preferential treatment to those applying for FS who have obtained BOTC through naturalisation or registration in the Falklands(as opposed to those who have obtained their citizenship somewhere else). If FS is not granted they will be given permanent right to remain in the Falklands. Which means their children will be citizens at birth and have FS at birth.
Not granting Territorial Status, or citizenship, to children of people who are temporarily resident is a sensible policy for any country to have.
We just do not care what they think. Get it?
And so you are threatening us with something thats supposedly going to happen in 10-20 years?
More threats?
lsn't that just pure Argentine(the school-yard bully).
And for your information, YOU are certainly an “unpleasent squatter”.
Only your ancestors murdered the native people, then stole their land.
You should never forget this. You stole from dead people.
@349 Joe Bloggs
Sometimes Captain Mainwaring makes a lot of sense.
e.g. ln one episode in 1940, when there was a real threat of invasion, Capt M and Sgt Wilson are having a break in a café.
Capt M asks Sgt Wilson where his revolver is.
Sgt W replies that he left it in their car parked outside.
Capt M says “what would you do sgt, if a nazi paratrooper walked through that door”
The silly studio audience laugh, but ask yourself, what would he do?
Get shot is the answer.
l know hes pompous & that makes the show.
“..I could care less what your cronies in the C24 have to say, because we don't have to listen to a word they say. ”
Thats Monty....
may i add aaaaarrrrgghhhh... to your statement ??
I know you brits don´t care anything o careless about anything or any law that don´t suit you lot...
but thats how United Nations works....sorry
:-)
Still waiting for that link.
The C24 is not the 'law'. Sorry.
Very, very sorry.
For all the lies that your country spreads.
And for all the lies that your stupid president whines.
And for the sorry state of your country(compare it in 2012 with how it was in 1900)
You don't care about the UN.
Only when it suits you.
What about UNSC resolution #502?
Sorry, indeed!
Im only a messenger that show you the Iceberg....
Don´t be mad on me Mrs Titanic.......
Haven't you got anything constructive or truthful to say?
You didn't answer any of my points, mr unpleasent squatter.
l'll waste no more time with you.
Granting FS to 30 immigrants a year in a population of about 3000 is equivalent percentagewise to granting citizenship to 4.4 million immigrants a year in a population of about 44 million.
I like your style.
I have to bid you all a fond farewell, turn this computer off for the night and go home early. By order of Mrs Bloggs. Something about baking 50 dozen mince pies or words to that effect. Bah Humbug!
Who learn you maths David ?
30 of 3000 represent 0.01 %
0.01 of 44.000.000 is 440 .....
No 4.4 millons
Firstly you forgot to move that decimal point one position to the left....
It's not 4.4 million , it's 0.44 million.
Secondly, using percentage statistics with such a little population is totally misleading, for not calling it directly stupid.
As an example, just one (1) case of pedophilia conviction in them islands during the last five years would give them a confortable second place (after Pitcairn) in the World's ranking.
And we all know they have had more than one case of the sort...
The same goes for, for example, drunken driving, cross-dressing husband beating, you name it....
Who learn you English ? The word you wanted was taught.
Learn is an intransitive verb.....Nos will explain.
A good try, my Spanish would be equally incorrect.
Well, thanks for teaching me that, that's the main difference between us.
we like the truth and what is right.
Malvinas are Argentinian and only are ilegally occupied by british squatters since 1833......everybody knows that.
:-)
Ah! to dream, because there's nothing else that losers can do.
On a less semantic point, I would regard it as an early Christmas Present if you could be the first person ever to name for me which contemporary international law (not Papal, Argentine or Spanish national law), it was that the UK breached in 1833 or, indeed, in 1982.
@371 so_far,
Everybody knows it, eh señor? Are you sure about that?
Or do you just mean every malvinista?
Unfortunately for you, malvinista's wishes don't count.
Try again later.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Anyone can believe anything you want (even there are people who still believe in the existence of WMD in Iraq ).
People meet with whom share a vision or with whom identify intellectually thought or ideas....
This is a beautiful free world.
About “ You should really pay more attention to what's being said around you in other posts”
no idea what you´re talking abut.
About the rest, good start could be understand how UK broke in peace times the “Treaty of Friendship, Trade and Navigation of 1825” between Argentina and UK.
AHHHHHHHHHH! (that enough for you?)
It's the dastardly BRITISH again - this time WE broke a treaty that I have never heard of (could be me) BUT what about the 'Treaty of Perfect Peace” of 1850?
AHHHHHH! I remember know, we BRITISH were dastardly again and MADE the poor confused Argentines sign, isn't that how the AG BOLLOCKS GOES?
You really ARE the laughing stock of the grown up world, deservedly so.
Thank you for that affirmation. It is an age thing with me, having had English grammar drilled into my being, I react like Pavlov's dogs to any infractions - God, I hope I am not sounding like Nos.!
Another inexactitude,or hyperbole, is your use of the expression “everybody knows that” I don't, therefore you are wrong in that statement. If you had said ,“it is my belief........”, then that would be true as it would reflect your opinion although it would still be incorrect.
Just semantics........let me correct the sentence.
Malvinas are Argentinian .....everybody (educated) knows that
better now ?
:-)
”Malvinas are Argentinian .....everybody (educated) knows that”
Of course everybody educated in AG knows that - they think.
But EVERYBODY in the real world knows two things for sure:
1) the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you Pratts) is a UK BOT;
2) they will NEVER be Argentinian, EVER.
There, that has settled it, hasn't it?
Ha, ha, ha.
You say:
I would regard it as an early Christmas present if you could be the first person ever to name for me which Contemporary International Law (not Papal, Argentine or Spanish national law), it was that the UK breached in 1833 or, indeed, in 1982
I say:
In the spirit of Christmas, I can’t resist to be the first person ever to name for you which Contemporary International Law (not Papal, Argentine or Spanish national law), it was that the UK breached in 1833 or, indeed, in 1982………
Or better yet……:
In the spirit of Christmas, I will be the first person ever to name for you which Atemporal Universal Commandment (not Papal, Argentine or Spanish), it was that the UK breached in 1833…..:
Numberrrrrrrrrr8: “Thou shalt not steal.”
Or, indeed, in 1982………:
Numberrrrrrrrrr6: “Thou shalt not kill.”
I ”Think” that you, as a Kirks man, will recognize the merits of the above…..
More good news from the Argentinean Front……
”Argentine energy company YPF signed a partnership deal with U.S. oil major Chevron Corp on Wednesday ……
The details of a permanent deal will be negotiated over the next four months. The companies said Wednesday's letter of intent envisions an initial joint venture to drill 100 non-conventional oil wells at a cost of $1 billion…….
However, Galuccio and Ali Moshiri, Chevron's head of operations for Latin America and Africa, said the pact signed on Wednesday only covered a pilot phase……
“The question is going to be how big the investment is going to be beyond the pilot,” Moshiri told reporters. “Our goal is to start as soon as possible. What we need is to push our teams to put a definitive agreement together as soon as possible.......”
www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/19/us-ypf-chevron-idUSBRE8BI14X20121219
You do open up another diversion though as my mind turns to the Falkland Islands Constitution as delivered on tablets of stone from the Privy Council. Like the Constitution, the 10 Commandments are pretty strong on individual rights and responsibilities but fairly silent on collective ones. Holy War anyone?
As for my own conscience about serving in the Falklands and (facilitating) killing around the globe, I reached a very personal (protestant) agreement with the Lord that seems to have worked for both of us. I wouldn't handle stolen property or kill anyone who didn't deserve it and he wouldn't make me a hero in need of help.
And Mangelwurzel talking what? So vulgar is he that I feel an abuse report coming on. No, stop. Don't Cave, man.
Would be an incredible surprise that they were observing the commandments of God !
.... I always thought that these are the only Codes of Conduct they respect by nature:
The Pirate Code of Conduct
Code of Conduct 1 - Equal Voting Rights
Code of Conduct 2 - Fair share of the loot and pirates punishments for those who cheated
Code of Conduct 3 - Gambling was banned
Code of Conduct 4 - No lights at night - a pirates sleep should not be disturbed
Code of Conduct 5 - Each pirate was responsible for the upkeep of their weapons
Code of Conduct 6 - No Boys or women allowed on board
Code of Conduct 7 - Penalty for Desertion
Code of Conduct 8 - No fighting between pirates on board the ship
Code of Conduct 9 - A Pension according to the severity of wounds
Code of Conduct 10 - Shares of the loot or booty
Code of Conduct 11 - Musicians available to play when required!
www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/pirate-code-conduct.htm
Speaking of the 10 Commandments, there's an awful lot of coveting thy neighbour's ass going on down there. Perhaps you should just be happy with what you've got and spend more time with Rocinante.
You asked an easy question.......
I answered to the best of my limited abilities.....
Anyhow.....
Good deal you reached with “Him”.....
Did you got it in writing?
”Argentine energy company YPF signed a partnership deal with U.S. oil major Chevron Corp on Wednesday ……“
Does this mean that Chevron will get its Ecuador-sequestered money released?
This must be one element of this 'behind closed doors' deal - if the policy of pi**ing on your neighbours is still alive and well in Argentina.
Perhaps the Argentinans have promised - ”honest, would I!” - to not steal Chevron's assets.
Well......
Every imaginable level of corruption is possible.....
When an Anglo Oil Company is involved.
Nope..............
I'm still hoping for Statoil to jump in though......
Vikings are much better at keeping their word than Anglos ;-)
ln the spirit of Christmas eh, Think you hypocritical old humbug.
Thou shalt not steal-
Argentina stole most of its territory from someone else-Amerindians & Paraguay jog your excuse for a mind, Think?
Thou shalt not kill-
Argentinean's ancestors killed these afore mentioned Amerindians.
Really Think, you are becoming just so transperent & predictable as well as being even more hypocritical.
Have another go, guv'nor.
btw- l have been informed that the 6th commandment is a mis-translation.
lt should be, Thou shalt not murder(not kill)
Even you, Think, will appreciate the difference.
@385 so_far,
Yes, the Elizabethan pirates did loot Spanish ships & relieve them of the gold & silver that the Spanish had robbed from the Aztecs, lncas & others.
Probably killed the crews too, no doubt the ghosts of the Aztecs & lncas heartily approved.
That's a pretty decent Code of Conduct for pirates, in my view.
What was the Code of Conduct for Conquistadors?
It's a shame. There's such a lot you don't get. I know it's hard for someone of your background, but I do recommend reading and thinking. That tends to help in all but the most desperately delusional cases.
:-)
”if Argentina is going to rely on the 1825 Treaty.2
Interesting. Any maps with this treaty?
And is the treaty legitimate from the Governor of Buenos Aires who murdered his predecessor?
Ie was the BAG legitimate?
Nootka anyone ?
“ Great Britain would recognize Argentina sovergnity and independence...”
Argentina in that time had total control of islands with governors, inhabitans, etc...thats a well know fact.
books.google.com.ar/books?id=SUncGVjtVGoC&pg=PA98&dq=Treaty+of+Friendship,+Trade+and+Navigation+of+1825+argentina&hl=es-419&sa=X&ei=NNPUULiFG4Wk8QTz8YCICA&ved=0CD8QuwUwAA#v=onepage&q=Treaty%20of%20Friendship%2C%20Trade%20and%20Navigation%20of%201825%20argentina&f=false
Argentina did NOT control the islands.
ln fact Argentina did not even control Patagonia.
So, so_far, it is NOT a well known fact, but a lie if you say it is a fact!
Get it through your thick skull, the Falkland lslands are NOT yours,
Never have been yours & never will be yours.
They are ours.
And we intend to keep them.
But have a merry Christmas anyway.
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