Monday, December 17th 2012 - 06:45 UTC

Argentine frigate expected back in Buenos Aires early January

“Once more we fulfill our promise, the Frigate is coming back,” was the first statement given by President Cristina Fernández over the ruling of the UN's International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea to release the ARA Libertad frigate.

Cristina Fernandez, ‘once more we comply’

Cristina Fernandez chose Twitter to speak about the ruling that ordered the release of the impounded frigate from the Tema port in Ghana and anticipated that on Tuesday a crew travels to Ghana to bring back the Argentine navy flagship.

“Not so long ago I said that, as long as I'm the President, no vulture fund will stay with our country's sovereignty and dignity,” was the first tweet of CFK.

The Argentine president summarized the Court's decision to release the vessel and reminded that by December 22 it must have left the port.

Besides, she highlighted that the release includes the commander, the crew and the reconditioning of the vessel, and added that the country “must not offer a bail or guarantee.”

The President also detailed that the crew that currently are in Argentina will travel on Tuesday to Ghana “to bring our Libertad frigate back to our homeland.”

The vessel is expected to be back in Argentina by 9 January after a trip of 74 days, according to Defence minister Arturo Puricelli.

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1 reality check (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:40 am Report abuse
Man she was quick off the mark, decision yesterday, visas for RG military personel to fly to Ghana the same day! Meanwhile the Ghanaians are debateing the ruling.
2 jeffski (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:45 am Report abuse
You would think she had won a major victory!!! What a embarrassment, it might not even get released by Ghana.
3 Frank (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:53 am Report abuse
I thought that at the very least Libertad would continue her goodwill voyage to Angola and South Africa.

Just not game I guess.... I bet that *if* she gets back to RGland she never goes OS again.
4 reality check (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:55 am Report abuse
I understand that there are plans afoot to prevent this from happening again, the ship is to be reregistered in the Bahamas!
5 RedBaron (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:57 am Report abuse
Hopefully for the sake of the Tema port authorities, there is something in the ruling which says that all port and berthing charges must be paid in full before the chain comes off the vessel.
6 reality check (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 09:01 am Report abuse
I was going to say there was no way they would pay the charges, then again the Port Authorities could go back to the courts and obtain an order to prevent her from sailing until they do, now there's a thought.
7 Steve-33-uk (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 10:03 am Report abuse
@6 reality check
Remember that Ghana tried to move the vessel from the dock to free up the expensive docking slot and it was the Argentine crew of frigate who pulled guns on the Ghanaians to prevent that happening. So they should pay the docking bill at least from that day until the ship is released.
8 Britworker (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 10:42 am Report abuse
It is arrogant in the extreme to be sending a crew over there when the Ghanians haven't decided whether its going anywhere or not yet.
This whole situation is going to continue to be the gift that keeps on giving though. Does CFK think these hedge funds are simply going to go away, they are going to come back more forceful and angry than ever.
This is just the first installment of many i'm sure, i hope!
9 Stevie (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 11:07 am Report abuse
Posters here seem to think this is an issue between Argentina and Ghana...
This is an issue around Ghana's neck they will be more than happy to rid themselves of...
10 Rufus (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
@9 Stevie

You're absolutely right. It's a no-win from Ghana's viewpoint that they'll be happy enough to get rid of within the rule of law (kinda like the whole Assange mess between the UK, Sweden and Ecuador)
11 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
I assume the crew will not be flying aerlineas to sail the Libertad back. Will they have the money to pay for the
12 Santa Fe (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
so did they pay the money back they borrowed or not????
13 Pete Bog (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
Given the amount of Argentine ships that can't even manage to militarise the South Atlantic without breaking down, any bets on if the Libertard will actually reach Argentina? (Or do its sails work)?
14 axel arg (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
The judgement of the court of the sea was expectable, because there is a basic principle of international public right that says that none war ship can be impounded. The vultures and the ghana's government know that what both did was absolutly shameful and illegal, and i'm sure that both knew that in case tha argentina decided to recur to the court of the sea, it would determine that the frigate should be brought back to argentina. However, the true intention of those so called vultures, is to push the government in order to get from the government the same benefits that could get the holders who accepted some of the two interchanges of debt from 2005 and 2010. In fact since 2003, 28 argentina goods around the world were restrained by those vultures, including embassies and the san martin's house in boulogne sur mer in france, however, we could recover they all. The battle against the vultures will continue and the rest of the world should fight also against the misserable capitalism that those guys prented to continue imopsing around the world. Now that we could recover the frigate, then i hope that c. f. k solicits minister puricelli his renounce, because all this problem is absolutly because him, due to he decided to ignore the advertences from our chancery, which had warned him about how dangerous it was, if he deciced to change the destiny of the frigate.
15 Simon68 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
14 axel arg (#)
Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:15 pm

Axel, what drug are you taking??????

This whole problem was due to Moreno and Timerman, who insisted on the visit to Ghana AGAINST the advice of Puricelli and the Navy. As usual you are lapping up Camporista propaganda and regurgitating it on this thread!!!!!
16 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
Ghana should make the statement that kirchner made when it looked like the NY court of appeals was going to ruler against HER, Ghana may noit recoginize the ruling as it voilates Ghana's constitution.
Question....if MNL are vultures for trying to collect on a legally binding contract of money that was givien to argentina......what do we call argentina for taking in 100,000,000,000 in US dollars and deciding to only give back 30,000,000,000? 70,000,000,000 nicely tucked somewhere and I doubt it's with nazi nestor 2 meters in the ground.
Financial pirates?

Or all of the above?
17 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
No, just Robin Hood.
18 Optimus_Princeps (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
@14 Yes, Axel. There there now. The vultures are out to get you. I owe $5 to my neighbor, but I'm not paying back that vulture unless he decides to restructure the debt to $1.50. We shall pelt those vulgar vulturely vultures with their own vulturely vulture-ness!

But first, we might have to put you in a nice place with white walls and a nice comfy coat, so you can hug yourself while the vulture's voices are in your head. The nice guys in white coats will scare the vultures away with daily doses of candy.
19 reality check (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
Ghana Visa Regulations - Entry Requirements
1. Travel Documents

All persons entering Ghana must be in possession of a valid passport or Travel Documents establishing the identity of the holder.
Travel Documents include Laisser-Passer and other travel documents issued by International Agencies recognised by the Government of Ghana.
These are:

2. United Nations and its specialized agencies
3. The World Bank
4. African Development Bank, etc.

Where there is doubt, it should be cleared with the Ghana Immigration Service headquarters or the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Accra.

2. Entry Visas

1. All foreigners entering Ghana, unless covered by para 3(1) require Entry Visas. Entry Visas must be obtained prior to arrival in Ghana and may be obtained from a Ghana Embassy, High Commission or Consulate abroad.

Where Ghana has no Consular or Diplomatic representation, an application for Entry Visa may be made to the nearest Diplomatic Mission or Consulate authorised by the Government of Ghana to act on its behalf .
20 Alexei (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
“... I'm the President, no vulture fund will stay with our country's sovereignty and dignity”.

“Sovereignty” fair enough. “Dignity”. Seriously? Must have lost something in translation.
21 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
Financial pirates is most fitting titti boi.....any mommas milk to start your day?
22 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
Dignity (dig-ni-ty) (n.) --

1. “To not capitulate, and subsequently truckle to the Banking sector, as all nations in Europe have decided to do.” SEE ALSO: “muppet” (citizen of these nations.
23 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
You are such a juvenile nostril. You are so ingnorant to your self deprecating posts. The people of argentina will take back their country in the end, despite children like you voting, neo nazi groups like la campora, incompetent populist peronism. You are a tiny nation of 40 million.....the Mouse That Tried or Roar. China is not having issues with your exports now. Next year should be some disappointing agri exports........argentina's bread and butter.

Definition of DIGNITY - Marriam Webster
1: the quality or state of being worthy, honored, or esteemed

Deadbeat debt defaulter is not in there. You live in an obscure world were being a thief and irresponsible borrower is an honor.....keep and stay in your jungle with your roach infested hospitals.

Did argentina ever lend a hand to the Phillipines in their time of need.....being the humanitarians you claim to be?
24 ChrisR (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
Ha, ha, ha.

See also The Mad Bitch Of Argentina!

Makes Miss Piggy look attractive.
25 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse

Argentina has a policy of never sending or asking for disaster aid. Long story.

Tiny? Last I checked our economy is bigger than 183 other nations, and our territorial expansion larger than 197 other nations, and our Football World Cup more than 20 other nations.
26 Shed-time (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
Is it just me or does anyone else stop reading a comment once they use the term 'vulture' or 'vulture fund'?

It seems to work quite well. It stops me wasting my time reading nonsense.
27 reality check (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
And your head 1000x bigger than any other nations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
28 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
correction: “our Football World Cup Winnings are more than those of 202 other nations”
29 reality check (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
“Tiny? Last I checked our economy is bigger than 183 other nations,”

Would that be because the other 183 economies pay their debts, on time and in full! just a thought!
30 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:17 pm Report abuse
Their loss.
31 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
Tiny yes tiny and more so.....insignicant against world leaders. No aide.........such a humanitarian.

Agentina....the new World of Financial Pirate.....their are but mere DEBT COLONISTS!!!!
32 reality check (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
Their honour and good name. Something you know nout about or more to the point, care nout about. Concept is alien to you, along with truth and honesty.
33 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:27 pm Report abuse

Yet you are all losing against us. Haven't seen a cent, the ship is sailing away, Dec 17 and no Red Card, no patacones in the street... no peso at 14 to 1, no WTO rulings against us.


Argentina the mighty:
34 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
Honor to kirchners is finding a way to steal and claim they are victims? 70 billion haircut to much is up kirchners wrinkled, hairy twat? She and nazi nestor are thiefs of the highest order. why the rest of the world leaders always her to breath is beyond me.
35 Shed-time (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
None of these arg people have any honour. That's what makes it so fun to watch, and all their impish slaves jumping about pretending they're important.

Hours of fun.
36 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
Honor is only accorded, not conferred. Slight nuance between those two verbs, but paramount in grasping why you Brits, Euros, and Yanks have not been privy to the grace of honor on our behalf.
37 yankeeboy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
Toby, It is very hard to predict WHEN an event will occur but it is easy to predict THAT it will occur.
Everything you stated in that last post, Patacones, Devaluation, WTO rulings, I will add HYPERINFLATION and Depression will occur, It is just a matter or time. and time is on our side.
The USA is going to make an example out of Argentina. We will destroy your economy, we have done it in the past and are doing it again. All within the bounds of the laws we wrote.
My guess is that if you have not already felt the strain of the bad economy you will sometime next year. I know my RG friends are desperate to come to the USA. Desperate.
I will be excitedly watching what happens with you lose your membership in the world's financial marketplace. It has never happened before and who knows how it will shake out. It will be really fun to watch from afar.
38 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse

Spin cycle: 115G
39 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 05:00 pm Report abuse
She delivered that's all there is to it, we need someone like her for 2015, maybe we can keep her, she is a great woman with more courage then most Argentines excluding the security officer that stood up to Ghana's thugs, that man should get a metal and his own ship to police the seas around Islands Malvinas Argentina. Maybe the vulture funds will finally realize that IMF kept their lunch money. Some people here come asking for money here is a link that can tell them where the money is, a catch 22, it doesn't surprise me that no court will take them as serious as corrupt regimes, since it was a corrupt regime who wrote the paper work for the original IMF loans to Argentina, it goes with the say, you can fool some people some times, but you can't full everyone all of the time.
40 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
You teen fool.....honor is not granted or conferred. No wonder kirchner lacks it and teaches such to her disciples like you youths of la campora.
Yankee I had some back channel chatter that argentina will be suspended from the IMF AND G20 but will not officially announce until next month. Argentina is already the only G20 member not to allow regular IMF scrutiny of its state accounts.
41 reality check (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
They are minting the medal now as we speak. Lets see, 44 men gloriously defended the honour of the Republic, a feat to match the Alamo! that will be a minimum of 440 required then!!!!!

STOP PRESS!!! The new 2 pesso coin will be available from 1/1/15!
42 GFace (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
Perhaps the hotels, government and restaurants should insist that they pay up front in cash, specifically, US Dollars. No Argentine Pesos allowed.
43 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
Putricelli anounced the Libertad is putting out Wednesday with the crew on hand. Because they have NO mopney to staff and adequate crew, they are setting sail on a 3 masted barque with a crew of 45. Not impossible by any means, but not safe either. As I said....noi money to fly a crew in.
#41 it's called : “We lost a warship without a fight and got it back in the courts” medal. 44 men on one side and on the tails.....22 couples.
44 Steve-33-uk (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
'BRAZIL: put its embassy in Ghana available to transport the frigate Libertad to Argentina'
45 yankeeboy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
Ejection from the IMF could lead to a variety of economic and political penalties, including exclusion from the G20 of industrial nations. IMF rules state that member states “must not co-operate with a non-member in practices that would be contrary to … the purposes of the Fund”.

I imagine the Paris Club will demand payment too, that will take about 1/2 of the reserves.

So what is supporting the Peso...only the full faith and credit of CFK,

46 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 06:02 pm Report abuse
#42 they have a system like that in Cuba, and all the dollars get basically rooted faster and more efficient to the government, not a bad idea except tourist end up paying ten times more in dollars, a 20$ dollars meal at the hotels cost 2$ pesos on the streets. On the good side a 5$ to 10$ dollar beer in USA costs 1$ or 2$ dollars in Cuba.
#43 nothing is ever lost, time solves and vindicates all that is wrong on earth, persistence is the method and the way forward, denial can only slow the inevitable, Insecurity leads to failure and silence seals fate, get use to us Argentines we are going to be feuding tribes for a very very long time, for as long as Islas Malvinas Argentina are occupied by british illegal aliens.
47 4quk (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
I am interesting to know how much Mr Paul (the loser moishe ) paid to bribe the Ghana justice, Anyone know? “Merca press” have any idea
48 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
#4 “I understand that there are plans afoot to prevent this from happening again, the ship is to be re-registered in the Bahamas!”

Great idea! If all nations re-registered their warships in the Bahamas, nobody could shoot at each other.
49 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
#47 I hear Polly offered a % cut of the loot, How much? I wasn't told, now I wonder if Ghana will ever get payed. I am sure they will get Argentinas payment right away by blocking any imports from Ghana, I do think there should be some sort of retribution or vindication to put an end to the witch hunt.
50 cornishair (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
Witch-hunt? hmm... like the argentines have against anything British or the
British falkland islanders. That sort of witch hunt pirat-hunter?
51 andy65 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
Argentina describes these people as Vulture funds yet argubly Argentina is the biggest vulture around
Argentina describes other nations as pirates yet they were born and descended from Spainish Pirates

52 yankeeboy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
49. Your posts are so ridiculously out of touch with reality they're hard to decipher the point you are trying to convey!
If you are really living in Canada you need to go back to school and finish high school! Your English is atrocious, economic knowledge abysmal, it's actually quite shocking from someone living in North American to have such poor knowledge on just these two subjects.

Your parents should be ashamed.
53 Optimus_Princeps (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
@39 Why don't you come down to Argentina for about 3 months or more, then you can comment about what a great president Cristina is. Didn't we already establish that you're a troll with no credibility because you're safely in Canada?
54 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
#46 the “wannabe Canadian” You are correct that asslips kirchner will bring the people of argetnina to a tribal leveland quickly I might add.
#47 Unless you have support to you hunch, leave your hypothesises were they serve you best and originated, at the lab.
#53 #39 vargas is going to argentina as much as chubby chavo is doing the rumba when you get back to venezula, horizontally maybe. alex vargas is now a Candian....period. I have more time in argentina than piss hunter has ever dreamed of.
55 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
#50 I think you mean Islands Malvinas Argentina we have no claims to fakland holdings we agree they are 100% British and have their rights granted in UK, I don't think illegal aliens can have a say in foreign nations. Specially gypsy's who come from UK.
#51 if this was a British news headlines you could say that we Argentines come to victimized brits but it the opposite isn't it? I mean most Brits here have come to regurgitate the one tone ignorance held in their hallow cranium, honestly there is nothing to learn from them other then what we already know from history. Nobody here is a victim we all know who we are dealing with trust me.
56 andy65 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
'@Pirat-Hunter What chances do you think there are of old CRISSY sending an Aeroilines Argentines planes over to Ghana? We all know its a bankcrupt company thats why it was nationalised but were you aware that they have to pay for fuel UP FRONT when they fly over seas because no county trust them
57 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
#52 lol ignore me, I ignore you and we seem to better coexist, besides you know very well that I am a self claimed proud homophobic.
#53 when Argentina builds a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina and end the UK illegal occupation I will feel safe enough to come back home, until then you should bear with your situation, and yes I did establish that the english have no say in Argentina.
#56 sorry but I am not fond of credits, bellow is the reason why, I am much fond of knowing who received the money from those credits so they can solve the problem they created except they won't share the info, as I stated in comment #39 a catch 22.
58 Santa Fe (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
Did the Rgs pay back the money they borrowed???? Or have they lied and cheated out of paying it back??. but whatever the story behind it at least they didn't end up looking ineffective , broke, humiliated and untrustworthy Jajajajajajaja
59 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
#58 lol still crying? Poor Polly did IMF took his lunch money in the playground? Send Polly the link below so he can finally comes to terms with the fact that he will never see that money again because it was a plotted theft that's all there is to it.
60 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
Hey alex piss holer.....DHS come knocking on your door regarding your terrorist threats? Hear any static on your phone lines, any unusal cars behind you? I reported you as a potential terrorist based on your previous threatening posts.
61 briton (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
has she had a face lift, of just washed her face,
it looks cleaner,
still while we are on the subject of frigates / ships/

MERRY XMAS,,,HMS Edinburgh,, ]

HMS Edinburgh might be the last of the class but she remains a capable ship with a highly-trained and motivated ship’s company
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62 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
Through the Oculus I watch.
63 Optimus_Princeps (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
@57 I really doubt Argentina will develop a nuclear defense program anytime soon. Those cost money, which is running out quickly. Also, Cristina would force the companies importing the materials to export a matching quantity of soybeans. Her presidency will be long over by then.

If you were here, your chances of getting brutally assaulted or robbed will increase, while your hard earned money is stolen from you and given to those same people.

A lot of Argentinians don't really give a damn about the Falklands. It's a small island with a just few people. We are just sad because a lot of young people died there, because insane cowards sent them to war. But, the La Campora tards can rush in on paddle boats and get blown to smithereens. At least our crime rate will drop.
64 andy65 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
Pirat-Hunter as per usual you Arghentine misfits never answer a quenstion.
Aeroilines Argentines being bancrupt and nationalised by your devine leader SS Hitler Crstina and unable to fly over seas without paying for fuel UPFRONT as nothing to do with the IMF it as more to do with that pensioner younger sister of SS Hitler Crstina x flight attendent Alicia Castro who was recoreded as often stealing the duty free when she work for them. Are you not embarrassed that your national airline is bust and no one will fill there planes up without $$$$$$ up front thats why olds Crissy could not send one of there flights to Ghana
65 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
#61 briton I hate to say it but she looks better, more natural. It's the painted face wiht a ton of makeup gone.
66 andy65 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
To me Crissy Kirchner always looks dirty and why the hell she still wears black as though she cares that nazi nestor is dead
67 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Actually she has that look of a women that just got
68 ElaineB (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 10:31 pm Report abuse
She has had a man friend for some time. It is well known in Argentina.

The story of the K's will be the relationship between her and Nestor. Not a love story in the last decade of their marriage and a power struggle from the start.
69 andy65 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
@Captain Poppy The only time I want to so old Crissy laid is.....flat out after a punch in the snout
70 yankeeboy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 11:07 pm Report abuse
CFK replaced the semi-retarded Ambassador to the USA with a women that has NO foreign service experience and is a member of LA CAMPORA!

CFK is certifiably insane.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we end up revoking Argentina's embassy status in the near future.
71 Acchiappaladri (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
@63 so sad that serious Argentines look like being ì unable to replace soon the Ladroprogresista goverment with a new one, one less insane, populistic and corrupt than today's... not difficult to do better actually.
Do you envision any political change (positive for the majority of Argentine citizens and for the rest of the world?)n being produced in the next few months thanks to the recent street protests?

And for the fanatic Kirchnerists: do not hurry, take it easy ... the last hundreds or so times international or foreign judges of your choice ruled that Argentina shall forthwith and unconditionally pay our money back ... well ... that “forthwith” proved to mean in Argentina something longer than in Europe or North America ;-)

Who knows the meaning of “forthwith” in Ghana ????
Who knows ...
How'dja like to spend Chrismas in Tema port?
How'dja like to spend the holiday away across the sea?
How'dja like to spend Christmas in Tema port?
How'dja like to hang a stocking on a great big coconut tree?
72 andy65 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
@yankeeboy 70 She can not be any worse than the old hag Kirchner sent to the UK Old bird Alicia The Rat Castro
73 yankeeboy (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 12:11 am Report abuse
This one looks like she needs to wash her hair. I hope they at least teacher her how to look passable while she is here.
I am serious though, it feels like we are about to pull the plug on their embassy.
I think they're one stunt away from becoming persona non grata.
74 ProRG_American (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 01:50 am Report abuse
I only wish I were there when this elegant ship enters Buenos Aires Harbor. Hundreds of sail boats and small craft will be there to greet her. Lot's of bubbly and Malbec will be flowing on the Rio de La Plata I am sure.
Meanwhile, the Vultures will be going at each others throats in the coming days.
75 andy65 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 02:05 am Report abuse
@ProRG_American With any look this old rust bucketr will hit ruff seas and go under, but remember Lady Thtcher is still alive she might pass the orders SINK THE LIBERTAD LOL just like this great lady did with that other old rust bucket of yours BELGRANO
76 Tobers (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 02:08 am Report abuse

I think you set your standards far too low.

An Argentina ship will be returning to an Argentina port

But only after a costly, confusing and needless event.

Is that a celebratory experience?
77 andy65 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 02:30 am Report abuse
To beable to buy toilet paper in Argentina is cause for celebrations these days
78 ProRG_American (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 02:36 am Report abuse
75 andy65 (#) You just don't know what to say and can only spit out empty meaningless threats. The only thing that Lady T can sink these days is her coffin on her burial day.
That “old rust bucket” ARA Libertad is not “mine”, it belongs to the Argentine people. It is the one of many great sail training ships operated by the Navies of the Americas. Of all of those ships, it is the only one built in the Americas, including my country the USA. It holds numerous sailing awards. It was the first ship that started construction in the first shipyard in Latin America, the Rio Santiago shipyard, inaugurated in 1953 by President Juan Peron. It is still one of the worlds largest and contains the largest machine shop in Latin America, including Brazil and many European nations. The ships first ribbet was installed by President Peron on the hull of this ship on inauguration day. The ship was built to serve as a school ship and an embassador of good will. Engineers and Navy Cadets participated in its design and construction.
That “old rust bucket” General Belgrano is one of the great ships operated by my contry the USA in WWII. It was named the USS Phoenix and it was one of the few survivors of Pearl Harbor attack. Its AA guns defended the Harbor and later sailed safely out to sea to enter the war as one of the US Navies most decorated ships for its actions during the war. Sadly it fell victim to a cowardly attack by a demented leader and nation in decline seeking to relive the glories of its past by occupying lands that don't belong to it. Would you like some vaseline to relieve the pain?
79 andy65 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 02:40 am Report abuse
The olnly vasaline needed would be to sooth your mouth when i smack you-oh and yes Belgrano was great when North American but you my friend should hang your head in shame living in a great country like uSA and supporting a woman like Hitler Cristina, if you like SS Argieland so much why not go live there ???
80 ProRG_American (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 03:06 am Report abuse
79 andy65 (#) Oh look, there's Andy. Wearing his pinko outfit and his Mohawk. Typical threatening English Turnip. I would dare you, but it would violate the rules of this site us, something that you cannot comprehend. I strongly suggest that the monitor of this site seriously consider banning andy65 from this site on a permanent basis.
The Belgrano was born a great ship as the Phoenix and died as a great ship, as it would have if it had sufferd the same fate in WWII. Fortunately it did not. It was attacked by order of the Evil Empires leadership while heading towards harbor when there were signs of an impending halt to hostilities. Obviously can't take a beating of the facts. I will inform you, sir, that there are many here in the USA that support Cristina and would give much to have Obama with equivalent Balls to her Ovaries. I did live in Argentina and learned much about it. They do have their problems, like any other nation, but there are many more pluses to their society than minuses. Most of you Brit IDIOT Turnips have never been there and only talk out of your as--s based on what you read in the Merco-Clarin-Press like publications.
I was born in the USA and live in the USA. I am dealing with our problems and our financial crisis.
81 andy65 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 03:14 am Report abuse
Yeah right well take your sorry ass to Argentina and deal with it from there you would last 5 mins
82 reality check (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 08:35 am Report abuse
Proarg Yank
Bullshit, the Belgrano was part of a two pronged attack on the British task force, she was withdrawing because your carrier could not lauch her aircraft as part of that attack. Even her Captain acknowledged the attack on her was legitimate.
Your fleet withdrew back to port and never came out again, which is just as well, because there was a second SSB stationed to the north of the British battle group and your carrier could easily have shared the same fate.
Evil Empire my ass, you pulled the Lions tail and it turned round and bit your head off. You'll think twice before pulling the same stunt again, stick to the minors and let the real teams play in the major leagues!
83 Shed-time (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:03 am Report abuse
Frump-o'clock, I see from the photo.
84 Alexei (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:10 am Report abuse
@82 Exactly
85 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:15 am Report abuse

You are about a North American citizen of the USA as much snow falls in Puerto Iguazu in the winter. You may be living in the USA, perhaps on an over extended passport, but you fail in speaking anything like an American.
There is not one natural born American citizen that I have ever come across in my travels of both business and pleasure that is no a total supporter of the UK and feels that they a the USA's only natural and ongoing supporter and brother. So stop being embarrassed about being and Argentine and get over it and stop calling yourself a citizen of the USA. Be proud of being an Argentine outcast.
86 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:57 am Report abuse
I guess that all Argentinian commercial ships will be re-designated as Argentinian warships, or all will be given Flags of Convenience.

And all Argentinian airline's planes will be designated as warplanes or will be given a non-Argentinian statement of ownership - perhaps some little island off Antarctica.

But wait ... surely Argentina trades in things that those owed money by Argentina can appropriate 'in lieu'. Oil? Gas? Or will all produced be used within the borders?

Argentina is beginning to feel as if it is surrounded by a hostile world
... I wonder if this is what Paraguay feels like.
87 andy65 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 12:24 pm Report abuse
South Americans go north to live in USA for one reason and one reason only and thats for a BETTER LIFE something there own miserable countrys are unable to offer so if you want to support this failing state of Argentina and it's corupt governmant get on the next plane out and do it from your mother land,for some reason I don'r belive we will see a mad rush to the airports.
What gets me also is these Argies winge on about Thatcher saying she went to war to save her own back, well like ANY British Prime Minister would do she reacted when British People and interest were threatened that's why you would not try it again FACT.
88 Shed-time (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
I'm pretty sure that any prime minister would have gone to war over the Falklands. Fighting against expansionist Nazism (peronism) is as valid today as it was in 1982 and 1935.
89 reality check (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
Thatcher went to war because the armed forces of a foreign country invaded British territoy.

What suprised me then and still suprises me today, is they did not expect that response and have been playing the victim ever since.


Idiots, a child could have told them what was going to happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
90 Simon68 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 01:27 pm Report abuse
80 ProRG_American (#)
Dec 18th, 2012 - 03:06 am

It is a shame that you are so ashamed of being Argentine that you have to hide behind a faux North American persona.
You should be proud to be Argentine, there is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, except that we have a corrupt and criminal government overseen by a thoroughly avaricious and criminal woman.
Other than that humilliation we have a lot to be proud of, we have some of the most beautiful country in the world and some really super people. Unfortunately we also have growing inflation, growing poverty, growing street crime, destroyed infrastructure, destroyed economy, unbeleivably corrupt government, but apart from that life here in Argentina is pretty damned good!!!!!
91 Pete Bog (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
“that man should get a metal and his own ship to police the seas around Islands Malvinas Argentina”

Thinking of joining the Belgrano is he?
92 reality check (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
The band is already busy rehearsing, a medal has been struck and copies of the, “Where you can and can not sail in future, Naval Manual: 1st Edition” printed and ready for issue.
93 ProRG_American (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
I love the exchange that I have started.
94 Santa Fe (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
93... That's your job isn't it fake US citizen, maximo is proud of you

Divert distract lie, your Brownshirt motto
95 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
Simone I think ProRG should be ashamed of someone like the kirchner's ruining Argentina by lying to the people, destroying worldwide credibility, ignoring financial responsibilites, facing situation after situation like the Libertad and taking the country to a communist position, which appears to be the ultimate goal. It's like she will not quit until no one trades with Argentina, yet she is always begging oilmanSomehow. I think ProRG takes pride in pretending to be a USA as if it is doing an honorable thing trolling here. I find it interesting that many of the kirchner supporters seem to live in other countries and not Argentina.
96 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
Dear brits. Correction we Argentine love CFK and come to give her support and remind outsiders that they should keep their opinions to fix their own nations rather then troll in Argentina's news comment boards to trash my country. So if in fact anyone here feels they don't like Argentina or Argentines, we invite you to leave or to STFU, because we don't like you neither.
97 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
Piss holer....if you were an argentine, poster here would have some respect for you but you are not and do not live in Argentina
98 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
#97 Homos don't have a say in here, Sorry but I thought you knew, you are excused for now, but let me remind you that my invitation at #96 is still open because as I mention before not only we Argetines don't like Brits but neither do we like perverts who come here to insult people and be treated like the scum you all are.
99 Shed-time (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 09:13 am Report abuse
did anyone say the word 'frump'?
100 ChrisR (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 10:54 am Report abuse

Why do you keep posting the link to that nutcase.

He's a few cans short of a 24 pack from what I have read, do you believe his fantasies?

Ah, I see a weakness in my argument - I wonder if you can detect it! Ha, ha, ha.

BTW keep dodging the DHS in Canada, they will catch up with you next year.
101 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:52 pm Report abuse great comenack Mr. that the best you have? Move to Argentina and post from

DHS tap your phone yet? Hack your PC? Those previous posts of terrorism and nuclear bombs were threatening.
102 Faulconbridge (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
“It is arrogant in the extreme to be sending a crew over there”

At least they aren't scrap metal merchants, Britworker @8. Then the Ghanaians would have something to worry about.
103 reality check (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
@67 Cap
If you think she has a far away look on her face, you should see Maximo, keep it in the family, that's what they say.
104 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
I come up with a new country new they can use once they are totally restructured as communist.....Venezcubatina. Combines the worst the world has to offer for human opportunities.
105 axel arg (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
You can ignore as much as you like the fact that the chancery had warned puricelli about what i said in my commment 14, that's your problem. On the other hand, i am not from la campora, i belong to movimiento evita since two months ago, anyway in case i belong to that organization or to any other, it doen'st mean that i can't think, nobodoy tells me what to think or to say, in fact, i have said in planty of oportunities that allthough i support c. f. k's government, i have always recognized also that her government has controversies and negative aspects, because i'm not an injudicious as you are. I want to tell you something, and i hope this is the first and the last time i tell it to you, if somebody doesn't have enough intellectual honesty when he wants to discuss about something so complicated like politic issues, then he can't debate about it. Most your answers are really so shanmefull and pathetic, the fact that you don't agree with most c. f. k's policies, it doens't mean that you have to buy so easily the distortions and the lies of the most reactionary newspapers that are against her government. Beside, why dont you propose different ideas for the country, or why dont you join some politic organization that represents your ideas?. If i decided to start being an activist, it's because despite some controversies of c. f. k's government, according to my ideologies, it is the best government after a great president like arturo illia, and i will continue defending it, and claiming for what the gov. hasn't done yet, like the right to a legal abortion for amy the women, a better transportaton sistem, because some lines of trains are a disaster, more transparency in her administration etc etc. If your arguments are, kretina kretina kretina, or the distortions of the reactionary press, then i understand why you have such a low level of debate.
106 ChrisR (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
105 axel arg

Ha, ha, ha. You pompous idiot.

You write in a monolithic style, devoid of any logical breaks in this rant and accuse Simon68 of all manner of ludicrous character defects.

Threatening him with stupid, inane comments about TMBOA (and, dummy, that is The_Mad_Bitch_Of_Argentina, your beloved botox faced harridan) just confirms your utter lack of intellect.

Next time you want to work yourself up into a foaming mouth rant, try sucking on your boyfriends penis and calm down.

Understand now?
107 ProRG_American (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
La Nacion and C5N have confirmed that ARA Espora has sailed from South Africa and is headed towards the Brazilian coast where it will join ARA Libertad to escort it into Mar Del Plata Naval base on January 9, 2013.
108 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
Good news, and great commentary from Cristina =) And what a lovely picture =) People say it looks like she's been laid but a victory like this must be even better than sex!

#105 I like the sound of this moviemento evita, are there any links where I can find out more?

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