Preaching resentment and confrontation led to extended rioting in Argentina, says leading political analyst
Argentina has lost its limits and references, and this was dramatically expressed these last few days says Joaquin Morales Solá, one of the country’s most respected political analysts, when the looting and rioting extended from Resistencia to the north next to Paraguay, to Bariloche in Patagonia.
Morales Solá argues that despite ten years of a booming economy, there’s still a percentage of Argentines poor or very poor, and vast sectors of the population have lost a sense of the rule of the law and even of the principle of authority.
“The speech full of resentment and the policy of confrontation, so ingrained in the national and popular government have erased any border between good and evil” says Morales Solá adding that the words “stealing” and “private property” ring no bells since they have become ‘baseless’ to the current prevailing doctrine.
The late Nestor Kirchner but particularly Cristina Fernandez have appealed to the government’s communicational resources to promote that under the couple’s two administrations Argentina had never grown so much and sustainedly.
And yes compared to the stats from the collapse years of 2001 and 2002, much has been achieved but the UN Economic Commission for Latam points out that still 30% of Argentine children are poor, and live with poor parents. In the last twelve months the number of unregistered workers has again increased and 60% of all jobs in Argentina continue to be informal. And this is not limited to the private sector: even the Argentine state appeals to informality as it surfaced during the recent uprisings of the security forces which demanded among other things besides higher salaries, that the government deposit the contributions to the old age pensions scheme.
But Morales Solá believes that inflation is one of the major punishments for the low income population. Real income was down 3.5% in the last twelve months, and one thing is 24% inflation with the economy expanding 8%, as in 2011, and 24% with 1% growth this year.
Furthermore the subsidies policy without any matching efforts in education or work, has become an effective electoral instrument of Kirchnerism which has used and abused the resource, meaning there are generations of Argentines that have lost the work culture or have never known it.
Thus when the looting of supermarkets there is a blend of all these factors and an overall feeling of resentment from vandals against those who “have” something or very much, triggering confrontation.
“For a decade the official speech with an enormous influence in the building of social culture demonized the ‘haves’ and in this context for many Argentines “the property of somebody else is a right of those living in the margins” and a ‘natural’ reason to go violently after the enemies of government.
“The State as such did not contain and did not impose limits on a growing social marginalization”.
Likewise there are submerged organizations that promote this kind of vandalisms. For example Quebracho which shares political events from the official stands, next to government officials. But no organization by itself could generate so much violence in such distant places, unless the social and political conditions existed.
Furthermore the government of Cristina Fernandez makes its adversaries even larger than what they are. Cabinet Chiel Abal Median blamed dissident organized labour leader Hugo Moyano for the rioting and looting in the south, north and centre of Argentina.
Does he have the territorial power to mobilize so many thousands at the same time and willing to vandalism? If that was the situation Cristina Fernandez would long have had to share power with teamsters’ union Moyano and she would not be able to control Argentina without his help. But Argentina knows the situation is different.
Likewise the security forces at provincial and federal level seemed incapable of containing the situation. Something similar happened when recent rioting in the centre of Buenos Aires: were the forces not ordered to impede looting? Or were they ordered and they did not abide? Have the different police forces lost their basic training and spirit to anticipate and act on time and as is their duty? Maybe because of so many times they have been told to look aside, drop their arms or not intervene, that has become their natural way of addressing law and order issues?
Whatever reason governors and mayors pleaded for the federal government to send the Gendarmerie the only force in conditions of restoring order, but it is the same force that only a few weeks ago rebelled against government because it was mistreated and ill-considered. At the time it surfaced that the Cristina Fernandez administration even abuses its own praetorian force, the only force she trusts.
All this, says Morales Solá also helps to understand why the soaring rates of crime which has become the number one demand from Argentine public opinion. And this is closely linked to the prevailing social doctrine which says anyone can do whatever they wish as happened Thursday and Friday, because “the ‘have not’ are in their right to take from the ‘haves’. To makes things even more threatening “there is a judicial thinking, currently predominant, which simply wants to abolish the Criminal Code”.
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how long before live rounds??
I do hope the people can take back their country again. But he process is never easy or quick, you have to find yourselves again.
A good read here about “ populist peronist government,” : www.buenosairesherald.com/article/117532/argentina%E2%80%99s-stockholm-syndrome
@ 6
Read the above article , another Argentine terrorist for you.
SELF-DETERMINATION!
I agree with him too, I also think that the actions of a population is a reflection of the governance. A fact that is perfectly visible in your own nation as well. I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that you are pointing fingers towards a nation disregarding the fact that your own is pretty much further down in the same hole. While people are looting in Argentina, people are shooting eachother in USA.
It's a good thing to clean ones own house before complaining at the mess of the neighbours.
So, you're saying: “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” Well, that would be the end of the blog, end of discussion. No virgins in this forum. Perhaps you should ask people why they are here in the first place,..why they bother commenting.
No, I'm saying that people should tend to their own problems before pointing at other countries. I would respect their opinions should they come with some auto-criticism as well, but this is not the fact.
It's easy to find failures in other people, but it takes a genuine honest person to see his/her own.
I have little respect for those who defend their right to have flaws and in the same breath denies that very same right to other people.
Be in favour or against any governance, but lets not take the discussion to kindergarden level. There are, after all, people out there that actually thinks for themselves.
I understand you are having fun, but don't call it a discussion, it's... I'm not sure what it is, but the quality of it is pretty much absent, that much I do know.
“I also think that the actions of a population is a reflection of the governance. A fact that is perfectly visible in your own nation as well.”
So, the Connecticut tragedy is a reflection of the Obama administration?
That is not what you meant is it?
Government determines people's behavior. I thought in a democracy people participated and determined government's behavior.
However, it is clear, Mr. Morales Solá is arguing that the government is responsible for this behaviour.
It is indeed what I mean, when a government promotes violence, it tends to end up with a violent population. I'm sure Obama as a person is a very peaceful man, but USA is indeed involved in many violent wars around the world, and their “second amendment” is not bringing peace into peoples lives either.
Anyway, this thread is not about USA in particular and I'm sorry to divert, but fact is that what the man in the article is talking about, is very much applicable in all societies.
A protest about what?
As for the wars, when I think of the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, my response is that we went to easy on the Middle Eastern radicals. Going to war to avenge and defend one's nation does not make a society violent. Do not confuse violence in a society as a violent society. If you think the USA is a violent socirty than I know you have never been here and are a media minded. The middle east is But that's another debate.
The fact remains that your president blames everyone but themselves for the problems it is experiencing. Argentine's that work and support themselves are often the enemy to kirchner. She pits city against province.
When a business enterprise sets up business to produce and sell it's goods, it hires labor to accomplish it's goal. In doing so it is giving individuals the opportunity to support itself from the wages it earns. The business provides jobs, pays taxes to the country and produces the product. But that is not enough for kirchner. When you make auto makers export rice and wine, she is economically out of her mind. Again she rants about how evil the rest of the world is, how the enemy of Argentina is the middleclass. She hates the farmers, she hates the unions she rants so much hatred that the people of Argentina are becoming a product of her jingoistic chauvinism and irrational speeches.
Not many things in your post I can say I agree with you on, and I wont take the discussion with you on this thread.
I will say though, as a citizen of planet earth, I am happy that USA's time as the leading nation is about to end, and the fact it's happening in my lifetime is a privilege. I can't say if the next nation to take over will be better, but they will have to try really hard to be worse, that's for sure.
Do me a favor.....buy me a malbec when the USA becomes like argentina in 2001 or anytime in the 1900's. I will be broke and looting in the streets. I did not think you could pick a place you least liked in the USA.
I do wish you could present those facts to me? I am more inclined to call them biased and hopeful opinions. It's ashame that most all south american posters here are infected the that disease you all spread.......latin chauvinism. Inflicted because you cannot seem to function in a non latin, diverse world so you all cram together. But you're a good SA, you told who your enemy should be. Funny when in south america,I never see this disposition. Well maybe from the inter-breds and indians. Caio little stevie
Article says:
”And yes compared to the stats from the collapse years of 2001 and 2002, much has been achieved but the UN Economic Commission for Latam points out that still 30% of Argentine children are poor, and live with poor parents.”
I say:
O’RLY???
Let’s take two minutes to find out what the UN Economic Commission for Latinamerica (CELAC) ”REALLY” points out….:
”Argentina 2002 : Poverty 45.4 / Indigence 20.9
”Argentina 2010 : Poverty 8.6 / Indigence 2.8”
That’s what the UN Economic Commission for Latinamerica (CELAC) ”REALLY” points out….
Brainwash anybody?
And yes…,this administration has been confrontational with some “Sectors” of the Argentinean society.
It has been confrontational with the Catholic Church defending the women’s right to dispose over their own bodies and the right of diverse sexual orientations to live legally together.
It has been confrontational with the Armed Farces, dismantling a sick and criminal military organization that only served itself and a minority of privileged Argentines.
It has been confrontational with the Landowner Oligarchy forcing them, for the first time in the history of Argentina, to pay taxes.
It has been confrontational with the Press Monopoly that embodies and supports the three above mentioned “Sectors”.
On all the above mentioned confrontations, the present administration enjoys my full support and, as it has been proved in the last three elections, the support of the majority of Argentineans….
PS:
And yes, the CCTV footage on the looted areas and mobile telephone and SMS records seem to confirm a heavy involvement of dozens of politically active opposition Union members in the organization and realization of the past days disturbances…..
So why are the trade unions so opposed to such a paragon of social justice?
Your English is slipping, by the way.
At (29), I forgot to paste the relevant link to the UN Economic Commission for Latinamerica (CELAC)
www.eclac.cl/prensa/noticias/comunicados/8/45168/tabla-pobreza-indigencia-18paises-es.pdf
But,made sure this country is divided into rich and poor.
The poor are referred as “” Negro “” ,but a “” Negro “” in Argentina may well as be white skinned ,blue eyed blonde of Italian heritage.
“ Negro” is the world describe those of darker skin but more than that the bum and lazy ,but also poor and and uneducated.
What's happened the regular guy? On his Xmas break? Or off to Bariloche to collect his Xmas bonus?
In the spirit of Christmas, i won't start discussing who this...: “Joaquin Morales Solá, one of the country’s most respected political analysts” really is..........
But, for anyone with some command of the Spanish language and really interested in Argentinean Affaires and History here is a little, quite informative link about him.....
sur.infonews.com/notas/cuando-morales-sola-no-tenia-miedo
Would have been nice to extend it to all and not just the anglo's, without highlighting events in Argentina,as your final thread.
until next time.......Merry Christmas & Happy New Year, One and All.
SELF-DETERMINATION!
O M G
From all the Anglos in the world................
Ware being lectured about depression and sadness by .............
A CANADIAN !.............
That moved to Argentina to enjoy some sunshine in his last years.......
Cheer up mate or move back to sunny Saskatchewan....
She said, that the poor and the base of any nation, and their hard work and will define them.
These people that are looting and rioting have less than nothing.
@13 A real exposition of the “I'm alright, Jack” syndrome. Places like argieland are the root cause of many world problems. As I pointed out the other day, these “rioters” are simply following the example of the argie government. No honesty, no honour, no integrity, no justice, no legality, no respect. And every time the argie government gets away with something, others think “Why not us?” How many millions of people around the world are the argie government cheating? They have to be stopped. Honesty, integrity and peace around the world depend on it!
@15 No! Let's point the finger where it needs to be pointed. Argieland is belligerent, corrupt, criminal, dishonest, greedy, larcenous, mendacious, reckless. And it starts at the top. There are few places in the world where all these faults are so pervasive. There can be little doubt. Argieland has already breached virtually every tenet of civilised behaviour. By definition, such a place cannot be considered civilised. The world needs to act accordingly.
@21 Then you won't mind when the Marines at the embassies open fire, will you? Course you won't. Too cowardly to be there.
@26 Argie government twonk!
@29 IGNORED. AS REQUESTED BY POSTER.
@31 IGNORED. AS REQUESTED BY POSTER.
@34 IGNORED. AS REQUESTED BY POSTER.
@35 May the peace of God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost rest on civilised people. In Britain. In the USA. In Chile. In Canada, Australia and New Zealand. In Taiwan and Singapore. In South Korea. May the spawn of the Devil, led by argieland, enter into Hell and burn forever.
Also attacking Expat retirees, do they always have to agree with a everything the gov't does? Argentina needs their $ much more than they need Argentina, do you want to drive out all the “foreigners”? How very Nazi of you!
Seems to me these riots, the edge of hyperinflation and depression is getting to our RG posters. All of us knew it was coming and we warned them. I hope they bought sugar.
Think, as you well know, Elac gets it's numbers from Indec and the only way there is 8% poor in Argentina is if you can eat on U$0.76/day. You can't. My guess is when the stats are recalculated back to 2007 you'll be right at a majority of the country in poverty.
The whole economy depends on the weather which is not really cooperating, very poor Wheat crop this year, worst in 100 years!
Soy is still not 100% planted yet so I'm sure they'll give up soon,
Beef, well they can't even supply the internal market much less export,
So where does this leave them in 2013, hoping for enough Soy exports to pay for Fuel Imports. It may or may not happen.
I hope the crop is worse than 2012.
way worse
If the RGs are too stupid to see how this mad-women is destroying their country maybe a poor crop will be the last straw.
I hope so
Maybe the volcano can help things along a bit, I heard it drove just about everyone out of lovely Chubut. Wasteland, dustbowl,
so ck harvestes what “he” sowed.
That's just not true, I clearly remember the lootings in Argentina before the Kirchners, I remember de la Rua leaving office with a helicopter as a result of the civil unrest.
I wonder what CFKs escape plan is...
If the lootings began before the Kirchners, they can't have started with Nestor, that's just not possible.
Nestor was a filthy criminal and I am glad he is gone.
I hope so
I would really like this year to finish with a bang
If you pay people to be poor, then you will have a lot of poor people.
Who in this case have learned from their government that confrontation and confiscation is how to get what you want.
If the Argentine economy is stalled (never mind predictions of free fall), then “unrest” of this sort is only going to increase.
And this is before any real austerity measures have to be implemented.
@25 Stevie
Seriously mate, you need to take off the rose tinted specs, ask the Tibetans or Kashmiris what it can be like. Before you say it, because unlike the coalition forces in Iraq or Afghanistan, they are not going to be un-occupied any time soon.
Also the end of the Pax Americana my not be quite as soon as you seem to think. Problem with predictions of that sort is that they rely upon things continuing as they have so far.
The reality is this never happens, things change.
You are right. And how they change!
Just look at the World Bank stating good news for world economy when China is set to pick up growth.
They are on the verge of a banking collapse.
In the next couple years you will see USA Mfg moving back to the USA.
Not a good outlook for China.
China can't start a recovery until the EU is straightened out and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Read the article again, it's not China's stats, it's the World Bank's.
And no, I don't see any mfg's moving out of China as long as they make more profit over there. Corporations are only ideological until it affects their wallets.
Duh
USA corps are moving back home now and it is only going to pick up as nat gas gets cheaper and cheaper we have an estimated 300 year supply,
Do you read any other news source?
keep up man
You still haven't read the article, have you?
According to the World Bank it's the whole region that is experiencing a boom, and therefor China will pick up its growth. That, and, I quote:
“The impact of easing credit conditions and public investment in infrastructure is beginning to show”
Nowhere in the article does it say that the World Bank bases its numbers on statistics from the Chinese themselves, quite the contrary.
And yes WB gets their stats directly from the country and BTW they are not very good at predicting anything. Too much politics gets in the way of their reporting. You obviously know very little of how WB functions.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/outsourcing-losing-its-al_n_1698178.html
You are allowing stevie to drag you into a pissing match that does not even include argentina....USA vs China. She knows she is diverting to take away from the fact she cuntina kirchner preached hate, resentment, pits her own people against one another, makes hard working citizens of argentina the the “enemy of the state”, even puts cities against provinces. She created a culture of people expecting handouts without providing education and training and path to work and self sufficiency. Now, she cannot maintain those handouts and the shit vortex is swirling. Yankee, you notice when the last time you heard from asslips?
The world should listen to your predictions instead of the World Bank's.
Lets leave it at that, I sudenly got this feeling that we wont get nowhere in this discussion.
One last question for you though, how come you are posting your predictions in MP and not practicing your crystal ball theories in, lets say the halls of the World Bank?
You got me confused now, and to be honest, I'm not sure I need further explaination.
For Argentina it's assured
Devaluation Hyperinflation Generational Depression
next year they will be poorer than this year
Those things I can assure you will happen
if the Soy crop is below 50M it will be next year
if its above you may squeak by again
my guess is you won't tho
at some point the population won't put up with the currency and travel restrictions. I doubt they will let it go another year
but it is an election year so who knows
and in general they are a pretty dumb people
I am just waiting for a tipping point and it may be happening now.
Seems like the population is a bit fed up,
I hear CFK wants a 20% rise in wages this year, inflation estimates are 36% with 0-1% gdp growth. ( I think the recession will continue)
all depends on the weather tho..
let it rain let it rain let it rain
Have you ever been there?
I hope so
Have you heard if a lot of Americans have canceled over the bloody riots?
I bet they have
I hear there are huge discounts in BA hotels this season
I told them years ago they were over building
What's the peso worth in Brazil I heard 8/1. Is that true?
I am surprised it is worth anything
#23 I fail to see how any Argentine's issue has anything to do with british subjects but here they're to pest people, and I am here cheering those whom they pest to pay a visit to the UK embassy as it should be done every time they ask for riots in foreign lands, simple.
#24 CKF with her speech doesn't arm CIA terrorists in the middle east, Unlike USA and UK but this is why Argentine's around the world love and support CFK 100% while outsiders are just obstacles to the evolution of Argentina. I consider USA to be a bigger problem then Argentina ask none Americans and stop talking BS.
#26 not the first time nor the last.
#27 cluster together, lol look around buddy can you be more hypocrite or stupid? How is denial working for you in libya? Kill enough muslim women and children yet?? Lol
#29 CFK is the best Argentine president in 40 years. The english live in denial.
#36 we Argentines love CFK that is why we voted for her, if you didn't like CFK why didn't you vote for menem or vidella. I didn't know Argentina was doing well in 2001. Denial is an english decease you might have contracted it.
#37 how is denial working for you?
#38 mendoza canadian must be someone who got molested as a child by a gang of english men.
#40 I really don't know what you are talking about I live in America and am free to go anywhere I like only the white people need papers. As you claim to be from a canotian tribe. Good luck. I will go to Argentina when the illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina ends, or Argentina builds a nuclear defense program for us Argentine's to live in security. Simple. How many shots did the US fired before libya's burned the US embassy and killed the US ambassador? What a joke you are. A von fire is hard to shoot out with bullets, try something again.
#42 assado is still the main Argentine dish, wine is the top drink how does that compare with hot dogs, hamburgers and beer In USA or UK? LoL
Trolling for any kind fish, huh?
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
( I'll keep it non-political.)
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!
“I will go to Argentina when the illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina ends, or Argentina builds a nuclear defense program for us Argentine's to live in security.”
It looks as if you aint goi'n nowhere. Neither scenario will ever happen.
What is preventing you from going there now? Is it cowardice?
You keep telling us what a brave man you are, so PROVE IT OR SHUT UP !!!!!
Betcha it doesn't travel too far in the future
Those men are very brave to get on those old rust buckets
very brave indeed
#72 sorry but how do cowards killing muslim women and children from a planes know anything about courage or bravery? Please try telling us something we can actually believe.
You say:
“ A little bit of up to the minute news never hurts any one.
I say:
”Up to the minute news“ .........
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm....... :
”(14) Think Dec 20th, 2012 - 10:15 pm
TWIMC
As a service to all Anglo Turnips that have shown some extraordinary interest for Argentinean Ships during the past many weeks, I can inform that.....:
The ARA Espora has just left Simon's Town, ZA and is “en route” to Brazil....”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/ara-libertad-ghana-port-authority-lost-7.6m-dollars-could-demand-nml-capital#comment200050
But, of course, the message was not directed at you.....
You are no Turnip ;-)
like everything else in that horrible place it all depends on the weather...
www.lanacion.com.ar/1537887-avance-del-documental-sobre-el-lugar-de-la-argentina-que-mas-rapido-se-despuebla
and remember the Argentine national saying “Its never our fault!”
Argentine Governments generally only share one factor between them: which is self-destruction. The actual Argentinians seem stuck in a permanent morass of politicians who simply cannot break out from the trap of the masses of vote-rigged under privileged. ...
until that cycle is broken then the average Argentine is stuck with semi-despotic delusional power-mongers who can offer nothing other than populism as a way forward.
A way forward that everybody knows will always fail, as it always has.
And I feel so sorry for all the other Argentines who know they are, seemingly, stuck in this cycle of self-hate and self-doom.
I dont give a hoot about idiots such as the delusional fargas kid: sponging off other nations whilst pretending to be a nationalist..the kid is just plain doolally.... but it must be truly horrid to be a middle-class Argentine knowing that, sooner or later, the government is going to f-you over, and that your vote will always be nullified by the masses of poor people signed-up to vote as ordered for a few pesos and boxes of free food.
Look, anybody in any nation who think that their politicians or political system is perfect is a ruddy idiot, but compared to Argentina we live in a golden age.
And its such a crying shame..they deserve so much more.
#72 Yankee, I've been in the Atlantic this time of the year from the North Atlantic to the roaring 40's, it is far from fun. I am not sure that are are as much brave as they have no choice. I also read that outlawing the U$ dollar with continue into 2013, probably because they are worried about agriculture this year. With this weather, soy and wheat exports will not bail them out this coming year.
Anyone seen or hear from the Great Cunt of Argentina yet....or is she still having IV anti -depressants pumped into her?
Another question, I'm wondering if, at the height of the 1970s crime wave in New York and other major American cities, there were lootings like that? Because I doubt that crime in Argentina is as high as in Brazil, Venezuela, etc. and it was more comparable to 1970s American crime probably.
Ahhhh............ You really know how to make Ol' Think happy :-)
My wonderful Chubut..........
The little area of Las Plumas on your linked video at (75) reminds me a lot to the Red Desert, WY.....
Ever been to WY, Fred……….......................? Beautiful place too.
I'll include a picture of one of my favourite fisheries just in that area of Chubut......
farm4.static.flickr.com/3314/3260562091_c3e6bff813_b.jpg
A piece of news, just off the press, Britain does not control Argentina!
I am sure Nos, Think etc will confirm this. You are now “safe” to return to your homeland. Of course one of the definitions of a coward is someone who takes action when there is no danger threatening.
By your own words you have said you are a coward.
So...
She is merely grossly incompetent then?
Best Argie Prez doesn't say much does it.
Rioting is not confined to Argentina, rich or poor nations,
Dictatorships or democracies,
Violence probably started when the first chimp pushed the other chimp out of the tree, so he could get to the ladder first, [ the rest as they say, is history]
Their was rioting in Egypt 100BC, throughout the Greek and roman empires,
As soon as gunpowder was invented, they blew each other up,
When guns were invented they shot each other up,
Violent crime has been with us for thousands of years,
And will probably stay with us, for thousands of years,
Sadly it seems to be only the human species that like to slaughter each other,
Built on greed, corruption, and violence,
Mostly it is preventable; mostly it is aggravated by others,
Why we do it,
We just don’t know,
Why are humans inherently violent?
But if we stopped blaming each other, and worked together for the betterment of man [or woman]
Perhaps the world would be a safer and more civilised place to be,
After all, we cant have raving violent lunatics ravaging the universe ,
All in the name or exploration can we,
So why are we so violent,
If you ever find out, please let the rest of us law abiding people know,,
Until then, have a nice British Christmas and a peaceful, happy new year.
Thank you.??
.
I can understand the Yanks, they have an excuse, but I really expected more from the Brits. After all, they have a reputation of being people of manners. Could it be true that time has taken its toll so severely? I surely hope not, I surely hope this is where they gather and that there's no more to it.
And very highly spirited,
No one believes most of the things some have to say,
No disrespect here, but please
This must be the last place one would expect a priest [in spirit] to be.
It’s only light hearted,
Relax,
Sit is a fridge for 5 min, and be cool.
.
I read that the Musetta bike factory is near out of business because the the Feb 1st outlawing of 600 products for import. But hey, Buenos Aires City has a bicycle ownership loan program to help people buy bikes. How expensive are bikes that one needs a loan to buy one? Or is that the average level of wealth of the argentine?
and brits are also removed, as well as argies,
some do go over the top,
but im sure as said previously,
if they met in person, respect would almost certainly be shown..
You might be made of gold, but obviously you can't afford a proper education, your rants are laughable.
STEVIE SAYS “I will say though, as a citizen of planet earth, I am happy that USA's time as the leading nation is about to end, and the fact it's happening in my lifetime is a privilege. I can't say if the next nation to take over will be better, but they will have to try really hard to be worse, that's for sure.”
Straight out of the papers that you believe tell the truth, far better than anyone in country (especially an ex-pat and a BRITISH ex-pat at that). And, we are so embarrassing are we?
This infantile poster decries ex-pats who go to a country, invest ALL their money in the country, pay TAXES to that country but will not say WHAT country he is from.
Perhaps from his poor English spelling and supercilious manner we could have a guess. So far he has deprecated:
Britain and the USA;
What about his character and personality traits?:
Defensive of Argentina, especially the K’s.
Uses ‘bashes’ a lot, just like TTT;
Has not answered where he/she/it lives, what sex is he/she/it and stops posting for a while when questioned;
Has stated he/she/it travels and has been to “the little country of Uruguay” but has not (as far as I know) listed anywhere else;
Claims not to be a Malvanista (like TTT);
Very ‘good’ at deprecating everybody who dares to tell the truth about AG;
Is unable to grasp simple concepts like the fact that the World Bank has to rely on the country it is reporting on for the data it uses to report!
Thinks China is doing well without grasping the fact that the leaders of China have been proven to lie through their teeth about their performance figures (much like his/she/its beloved AG and INDEC)
I don’t think we can take any notice of, or believe anything, that he/she/it posts.
One thing I have always admired in your types, is the unsubstantiated egos.
And look at the insults, the brits merely reply,
Uncalled for, an ungentle manly remark,
Wishing the destruction of the Americans and the British, in favour of a dictatorship, from a safe distant country like Canada,
And wonders why people laugh at him.
Wrong.
Anyone can express an opinion here. It is a message board where anyone can comment on the stories posted here. A simple concept.
one does not insist on anything,
one mearly replies, as you have.
But hey, if you want to present your nation as a place full of hillbillies, be my guest.
You say...:
“I was just wondering if there was anyone with any kind of wits about in order to have a serious discussion. ”
I say...:
There are........
Quick, from the top of my head, I could mention some Anglos as....:
Scotsman Mr.DoveoverDover from Kent,
Englishman Mr. Geoffward2 from Brazil,
Black Countryman Mr.Lordton from Thailand,
Englishman Mr. dab14763 from Perú,
Welshman Welshwizard from ?England?,
Englishman/Kelper PominOz from Australia.....
and a whole bunch of other witty people that have guested this pages but got tired of the “Insulting Turnips”, as I call them.....
#81 I don't think the press can manufacture a better president. He/she simply doesn't exist. Trust me I asked everyone already, their best bid was macri. God forbid.
#85 because we Argentines do not exclusively go to UK news links to bash them on the comment threads, but as you can see from the Comments above, more british then Argentine's come to Argentine news link to specifically bash our president, culture, way of life and people, if you had taken the time to read and ask the same question of the brits the conclusion would become obvious. It's part of the english culture to not have a balanced view on things, Afghanistan and Iraq are evidence of the english man intentions.
#86 ho no, no, no! There is a lot more, 86 comments is a drop in a bucket compared to the sometimes 200 regurgitated british thoughts occurring daily. I can understand your conundrum. but people of manners? Really? I can assure you that if I had slaves I would have manners with my kind too, Sorry my history books don't say much good about brits, And their reputation for being leeches has a lot more weight then any fine word.
Glad to hear that. As it is, I can feel the idiocy affecting my judgement. Last thing I'd like is to become like them and insult for the sake of insulting.
For two reasons. First off, it would be a shame to use my time doing so, and secondly, it would be far too easy.
Then you have already wasted you time. Move on.
This picture shows “”“---One of the country’s most respected political analyst---”“”, Joaquin Morales Solá (far right), entering the infamous torture and extermination center ”Escuelita de Famaillá” in the province of Tucuman, together with general Acdel Vilas, in 1975……..
sur.infonews.com/sites/default/files/12-morales-sola-arriba.jpg?1293942576
My question is…..: Respected......? Respected by whom......?
The author of this article, Joaquin Morales Solá , was summoned by the Courts last year to “explain” this recently found picture…….
He couldn’t remember it…..
Case is ongoing…
No wonder that he is against what he calls “The preaching of resentment and confrontation” by the present Administration…..
We others call it....... “Justice”.
Señores, i gree with both about this special guy joaquin morales solá, as well many man other “personajes” around.....
I dislike La Nación or Clarín, almost in the same intensity i dislike 678....
This the original article from JMS.......please read it, worth it for an small reflection of what is going on...at least in the view of few...
www.lanacion.com.ar/1539590-expresion-de-impunidad-y-resentimiento
good post.
stevie the mask has slipped a bit too far this time!
So, reading the article didn't say much more than numerous other sites had already reported. It was just a summary of known facts with an opinion. Where are you going with this?
However Cristina has a lot to answer for. She has created conflict where there should not be conflict. She seems to live off creating enemies, making people who dissent against her existential threats to be removed at all cost. She has become obsessed with it. I kind of mentioned it in my blog last week
conor-world.blogspot.ie/2012/12/the-curious-case-of-cristina-and-clarin.html
As much as a debate about media is needed in Argentina, people CONSISTENTLY mention inflation and the spluttering economy. She has become distracted by fighting these perceived enemies and has abdicated her responsibility of the economy for a pantomine of confrontation.
I concur. Her current vendetta : www.argentinaindependent.com/category/currentaffairs/newsfromargentina/ ( I can not see how this will ever fly.)
@Stevie
The topic is about Argentina and CFK “preaching resentment and confrontation”.
Like everyone else, I am free to comment as I like on that subject, without being obligated to link it to criticism of my government, culture, or nationality.
Too bad for you if you don't like it.
Stay on topic please.
Merry Christmas to the Yanks, Falklanders, Commonwealth, and Brit posters on Mercopress!
Dame Dover and BK, this does not include you.
Usually they exhaust an ID by making it completely discredited and come back as another character. They always slip up.
If you have a situation where masked thugs are allowed to attack tourist operator offices, ships that have thought to have gone to the falklands are ransacked and mob rule (I am thinking of violent anti Britsh demonstrations) is tolerated for political purposes, you have a breeding ground for the mental mindset that leads to the kind of looting and riots we have seen in Argentina.
If the police stand back and allow the kind of activities above to take place, due to orders from the civic authority, then those elements in society who are “chancers” are likely to try their hand at other crimes.
We had it last year, and the Argentine bloggers thought it was hilarious.
Now that smugness and self satisfaction has come back to bite them on the backside.
CFK has'nt a clue about how to enrich Argentina, all she can do is tear down the structure of the country and scream at “foreign enemies”, while lining her own pockets.
Encouraging an atmosphere of lawlessness as state policy leads to a diminishment of respect for law and order, and increased crime.
If MP would allow comments in Spanish, you would most certainly have the opportunity to talk to all kinds of Argentines.
Then again, my guess is that there is meaning with everything.
go step up to some Scandinavian(despite of you are not from there ,i thnk!) heritage web sites.
you do know nothing on Latin America, do not ruminate here in vain.
Yes,if you were able to converse in Spanish you could, but my “tourist Spanish”would preclude this.
As far as I know, MP is the only site where it is “mandatory” to write in English. There appear to be plenty of other Spanish speaking sites where “South Americans ” are extremely offensive to the UK and Falkland Islanders.
I cannot understand why posters feel they must hide behind “aliases” and keep their nationality hidden. Surely they should reveal their motives and prejudices in their posts from a national perspective.. I may not like or agree with what they say BUT at least I would know that it was a genuine opinion from an Argentinian.
From my own point of view, the only things I would not broadcast are my house address,telephone number or email address and, for obvious reasons, I would not expect anyone else to reveal the same.
The only topics I would comment on are where it affects the UK and/or the Falklands. I know nothing of Argentinian internal politics and care even less.
odd that.
As to serious discussion “stevie” the big problem is that whenever a pertinent point, sensible comment or historical fact is pointed out, the Malvinistas sock-puppets always ignore it and go off at a tangent.
Such as criticising the educational system.
funny old thing: cant shoot down the message, shoot down the messenger.
Now WHY is that phrase familiar?
Oh, yes, because its the same (very few) people with all of their sock-puppet VPN accounts posting the same crap, in the same manner....
and they cant help repeating themselves using the same phrases and acting in the same way.
Predictability defines their exposure in sock-puppetry.
(And that anybody other than a stooge like Think can link DoverOver, who has been categorically outed as a proven sock-puppet as “a serious poster” just proves the point beyond any doubt.)
So, stevei, until all of your sock-puppetry ends you wont get a serious discussion because you dont have the ability to post as true individuals.
There's a couple of legitimate Argentine posters on here and they're unfailingly rational, polite, serious and, oddly enough, cant stand CFK.
odd that.
Idiot
On another topic, Think loves that the gov't happens to find a picture to incriminate an opposition journalist. How convenient, not only do they want to “trash the presses” like their deity Peron but they want to persecute the lone voices that disagree with the gov't!!
THINK feigns intelligence but he is one of the most stupid people on the board right up there with ProRg and Pirat Hunter, because even with his age and supposed higher intelligence he can't see that the Ks are nothing but filthy Nazis and destroying a free press is just one step to a total Dictatorship.
He is a really dumb man. I don't feel sorry for him though I hope he gets all he deserves in 2013.
As for the situation here, it's been going on for quite some time. The foreign press took long enough to start publishing articles about it. The crime rate has been high and has continued to sky rocket out of control. Cristina brings in filth from neighboring countries, and makes it difficult for educated people to enter the country even for school.
There are certain idiots that haven't been able to witness what's been going on here, and have been loudly shouting their idiocies without knowing that this is nothing new. When I got the news, I was surprised it hasn't happened earlier. It wasn't orchestrated by any outside source. These scum bags have been at it for a while now, it only escalated.
m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/14/newtown-shooting-gunman-kills-20-children
And this is how thankful the afghan women are to the english.
m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/24/afghan-military-police-shoots-adviser
And this is how thankful the Libyans are to the english.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19607834
And here is a link to show how Saddam and bin laden are wining the war in Iraq.
www.naharnet.com/stories/en/64950-iraq-attacks-kill-48-on-eve-of-u-s-pullout-anniversary#new-comment
#128 clarin and mercopress propaganda is not free press, its all targeted and calculated attacks against Argentina and a struggle to hide the terrorism brought to the world by NATO, USA and UK. All the terrorists in the world are payed by CIA, MI6 and mossad, that's all there is to it.
No wonder there are so many vacancies in the Hotels this year...
Www.m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/14/newtown-shooting-gunman-kills-20-children
Www.m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/24/afghan-military-police-shoots-adviser
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19607834
www.naharnet.com/stories/en/64950-iraq-attacks-kill-48-on-eve-of-u-s-pullout-anniversary#new-comment
And this Christmad thread, too, ends with a hateful slag fest by the Nazi Trolls :-D
Enjoy your Christmas in your own special ways.
LOL
or Peronist totalitarian posing as a left-wing Socialist.
[And here is a link to show how Saddam and bin laden are wining the war in Iraq. ]
He forgot to mention gaddafi , Benito Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin, are winning their local wars.
Oh and we almost forgot to inform you, of a very little slight problem with your item.
They are all dead ??
.
then perhaps we could have silence ha ha .
Rrrrriiiggghhhtttt.
So Saddam, Gaddafi and Bin laden are victorious?
They all suffered the same ignominious end - death and failure, while dragging nations down into the flames with them to feed deranged visions of the way the world should be.
At least those countries now have a chance to sort themselves out.
Those murdering thugs won't be missed, except by the likes of you.
Doubtlessly you admire Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo too...........
You are spot on, shb !!!
PH aka ALEX VARGAS, has a Face Book page full of Gad-daffy, Assad, CFK, and La Campora links, images, and propaganda.
...all terrorists in the world are paid by CIA,MI6,Mossad......
Is Israeli Lobby in US , does have some interrelations within these activities??????....,who has been adjusting of their special status...no other country holds this special exceptions to US laws of citizenship.
Here is the dual citizen(US/Israel)prominent Jews list
Senate :
R.Blumenthal...B.Boxer...B.Cardin...D.Feinstein...A.Franken...H.Kohl...F.Lautenberg...J.Lieberman...C.Levin...B.Sanders....C.Schumer...R.Wyden...M.Bennet. ...total 13 units...
House of Representatives :
G.Ackerman..S.Berkley...H.Berman...E.Cantor..D.Ciciline...S.Cohen...S.Davis...T.Deutch...E.Engel....B.Filner...B.Frank...G.Gifford...J.Harman...S.Israel...S.Levin...N.Lowey...J.Nadler...J.Polis...S.Rothman...J.Schakowsky...A.Shwartz...A.Schiff...B.Sherman...D.W.Schultz...H.Waxman..A.Weiner...J.Yarmuth.....total 27 units...
so you might ask are there any other dual US/Israel citizens who hold US government positions that could compromise the US security ? Yea here is their list :
M.Mukasey...M.Chertoff...R.Perle...P.Wolfowitz...L.Franlin...D.Feith...E.Luttwak...H.Kiissinger...D.Zakheim...K.Adelman....I.L.Libby...R.Satloff...E.Abrams...M.Grossman...R.Haas...R.Zoelick...A.Fleicher....J.Schlesinger...D.Frum...J.Bolten...J.Bolton....D.Vurmser...E.Cohen...M.Sembler...S.Goldschmith...A.Goldman...J.Gildenhorn...C.Gernsten...M.Weinberger...S.Bodman...B.Cohen...R.Davis...D.Kurtzer...C.Sobel...S.Bernstein...N.Brinker...F.Lavin....R.Weiser...M.Sembler...M.Silverstein....L.Bloomfield...J.Lefkowitz...K.Melman...B.Blakeman...
CIA,,Mossad,,MI6...all are nothing ,only official services.
Ask to “ Colorado Owl ” /Think who would reply below questions not us !
* Where are some terror elements hidden in messy country Argentina institutions ?
* Which countries do “” desaparecidos “” live under which identities ?
-- -- -- --
*146* LT
My thought is ,messy country Argentina Jews are more dangerous than US ones.
news.yahoo.com/man-killed-2-firemen-left-note-killing-plan-165807219.html
You all should live very carefully like me .......
The latest development in technology of induced fear of mind control is the cloning of the human EEG or brain waves of any targeted victim or indeed groups.With the use of powerful computers,segment of human emotions which include anger,anxiety,sadness,fear,embarrassment,jealousy,resentment,shame, and terror have been identified and isolated within the EEG signals as “ emotion signature clusters”.Their relevant frequencies and amplitudes have been measured .The the very frequency/amplitude cluster is synthesized and stored on another computer.Each one of these negative emotions is separately tagged.They are then placed on the Silence Sound carrier frequencies and could silently trigger the occurrence of the same basic emotion in another human being.
Has asslips kirchner been spotted yet or is she still in hiding for over a week now?
titti I can hook you up with a news site that even shows worst events in the USA, just so to can again, steer away from the article? Would you like that?
I just had to catch up on how disastrous a holiday it was on the failing nations of the USA, UK, and Europe.
So what's the growth for next year up there... 4%? 5%? Booming industrie in the UK and USA?
hahahahahaaha
here is few of them...
~ nearly 50 % of Americans die broke...
~ labour participation rate is at 30 year low..
~ household income fallen 1995 levels..
~ every 1/7 Americans received food assistance program..
~ every 1/130 Americans in prison...
so many other problems ...............
Hoping you and your family are enjoying themselves on the East Coast.
We are heading to California tomorrow morning.
Looking forward to spending some time in beautiful, friendly, and safe, San Francisco. Chinatown is fun there.
We'll have some nice seafood in Sausilito, and a weekend in Napa. Some really good Pinots there. Far better than the Malbecs we used to buy.
Just finished watching the Queen's Christmas Message of Peace and Good Will to the Commonwealth and our friends around the Free World.
To the La Campora Trolls, and Pirat Hunter, you can belong too...
Our Queen rocks!!
youtu.be/1AS-dCdYZbo
Your 'Queen', not so much
youtu.be/j0fywBbhvxo
shop.history.com/detail.php?a=73738
You should develop your mind before discussing with us.
And that's why she is utterly irrelevant here. Take the Queen's message, and the Pope's, and any other European or North American and shove it up deine Po. Verstehst du? Dégage gros enculé, je t'enmerde.
I hope you spend your day the way you enjoy it most.
:-D
Laugh..laugh
Best wishes for the new year and safe travels friend.
PS
It's like TMBOA has totally disappeared.....lol. There's hope yet
That is the message of the Argentine people to the rest of the world, I can guarantee you that! You will never have friendly relations with us, ever again... that goes to all of the nations of Europe, North America, South America, and Asia.
what a browny.
You speak of isolation.....too much self affliction when locked in your cell.
Keep up the hate preaching......btw......where is the cunt of argentina these days......we can't smell her around lately?
Think
do not talk yourself,
You “ Colorado Owl ” !!
I think you must be referring to Queen Victoria - ancient history - but Liz 2 had your arse well and truly kicked in 1982 - current history.
#160
Is Ghana and the rest of Africa on this list also?
I don't think the rest of the world -(not factual but my opinion) -will miss your sparkling and effervescent company. You are welcome to sit on your own dung heap and crow, or howl at the moon if that suits you.
And a merry Christmas to you too !
Now back to focusing on this article rather than divert. This blog, afterall is about talking ARGENTINA........not the USA or UK
Think
well done
talk someone else with your other names sometimes even though you do not aware of the world..
you trapped easily , lummox boy
You “ Colorado Owl ”
“Colorado Owl ” not “ Colorado Oel”
neither mantra nor insult !
Oh, dear. Was that an official message from Alicia Castro to the British, English-speaking people of the world? As usual, not very diplomatic, but she expresses herself far better in German than she did on English TV.
I don't know why you posted in German on an English-only forum, but I've wished the Editor a 'Merry Christmas' and asked him to remove it.
Not that I have anything against the Germans, of course. They are our friends and allies again.
They make wunderbar (wonderful ) cars!
In fact, I would prefer to drive my Mercedes down to Cslifornia, but I only have summer performance tires on it. We'll take my new Toyota SUV instead, it has 4x4 and snow tires.
Germans make delicious meats and sausage too!
I expect that the only sausage you taste will the one that your politicians give you.
Enjoy your day, filled with happy thoughts of Christmas.
I have had some people read the stuff said about Argentines in this and the Dave Cameron thread. They are appalled, and many who were formerly friendly to foreigners have promesed me to seriousl reassess how they treat and how they handle foreigners.
WAIT...............Sorry - I got confused for a second and got the plot for the film “They live” mixed up with the real world.
Or were you saying everything is the fault of the jews? I seem to have heard that one before as well.........Little man, funny moustach, shot himself in the head in 1945 after inflicting utter misery on millions of people for the sake of his sad little delusions of racial superiority.
“I have had some people read the stuff said about Argentines in this and the Dave Cameron thread. They are appalled, and many who were formerly friendly to foreigners have promesed me to seriousl reassess how they treat and how they handle foreigners.”
Nozzy, you've attacked us with spiteful, untrue, propaganda attacks and misrepresented us to the world, before. What is different now?
With your limited circle of 'people' (I seriously doubt that you have any 'friends' of consequence, if at all) , likely to be brainwashed and/or uneducated LaCampora, I don't who is left to convince. Your impressionable boy-lover perhaps?
The educated middle class likely know that you are just jealous.
Wishing Argentina better times ahead.
Too bad you are wallowing in a festering pool of hateful thoughts on Christmas Day.
Meanwhile, I'm joining a huge gathering of my family and friends for a party.
Goodnight. Happy thoughts. :- )
Don't like a dish serve cold? Well, you know the rest of that one.
“ But she was kicked in the arse twice trying to take us over didn't she..”
Well....were at least 3
“Battle of Vuelta de Obligado”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vuelta_de_Obligado
The next round and without waste a single bullet, will be finest and last one....
LatAm will prevail
Consider the following.
a) Kirchner has used the Falklands issue to ramp up nationalism in the same way that Galtieri did.
b) Kirchner has made every effort to crack-down on dissenting news outlets, by dissenting I mean independent.
c) Kirchner continues to falsify inflation and growth data, an unprecedented act and one that will likely see Argentina kicked out of the IMF and possibly the G-20.
d) Any criticism of her 'administration' (I have a compelling urge to say “regime”) is met with diversion, generally appealing to xenophobia.
Therefore:
1) The Riots are caused by foreign powers who have suborned trade-unions.
2) The financial situation is caused by foreign hedge-funds.
3) The “independent/dissenting” news-outlets are controlled by foreign interests.
And generally for problem “x” the cause is listed as “y”, which in most cases invokes the paranoia that the rest of the world is somehow against Argentina.
The irony is that this behaviour is diagnostically indicative of desperation, it is symptomatic of “regimes” where real “data” can not be provided, therefore obfuscation is the order of the day.
For most Argentinians this is going to result in the continuing erosion of their savings/wealth, eventually Kirchner's regi... administration will crack but not until the cycle is complete (once again) which begs the question, for the Argentinians here, I don't feel animosity towards you, but honestly can you not see flaws in Kirchner's modus operandi?
Are you so blinded by nationalism that facts that are now being reported internationally are not part of a pan-global conspiracy but rather indicate genuine concern at the dishonest unmitigated incompetence of Kirchner's administration.
I wish you all the best, please think about this.
.
.
However, I don't discuss domestic affairs with foreigners.
I would suggest that the problem is that you, as someone with a degree of intelligence are probably just as aware of the problems as any other observer.
Therefore it is merely your inability to move past the point of vehement nationalism that inhibits your ability to critically assess the data or at least to admit to doing so publicly.
Whenever a powerful leader asserts extraordinary international persecution as an excuse for any failing in government, repeatedly fails to deliver non-falsified data (required by the international community) and clamps down on independent journalism you have a situation that is destined to become evermore authoritarian.
As I said in a previous post; they cheered Peron, they cheered Galtieri and now they cheer Kirchner, what part of the Argentinian psyche is so rooted in mindless uncritical nationalism that the entire nation must be periodically ransacked and forced into penury?
As I have said before, the North Americans have a saying “All politics cease at the seashore”, or something to that effect.
Reflect upon that quote and then you may understand why Argentines in this forum are all united-- against the foreigners.
And you do realize your government routinely falsifies information also right? I don't care what your country is, that is part of the reason YOU are in the rather distress economic situation of the last five years... due to a heap of lying, fudging, and mangling of numbers and figures. Even now your interest rates have been manipulated, unemployment rates massaged by governments, etc, etc.
The difference between us and you is we know and admit that our govt lies about statistics to try and raise morale whereas the average Argentine poster here will deny that there is any kind of problem in your country when there plainly is.
If your country is making international news with the extent both of it's problems and the attempted coverup about them, you need to ask yourself just what sort of position your country is in.
We know we are in recession up here, and it will last for years, it's pointless your lot trying to deny that your eceonomy is'nt also facing immense problems.
When the rest of the world no longer believes what your govt is saying about your situation, you have a major problem that will lead to increased hardship for your people. No one wants to lend to someone who will not pay their debts back or trade with someone who attempts protectionism. Likewise picking pointless territorial disputes with a major player on the international stage is hardly likely to address issues of poverty, graft, corruption and investment is it?
Your lot really needs to sort out what is important and get a life.
Try caring about the poor and needy in Argentina instead of trying to wreck a nearby peacefull community who want little to do with you.
Stop lying to and cheating those you trade with.
Then you may make some progress towards a better society.
And what round will that be - the world's Tango championships ?
You would certainly be favourites there. World's self-delusion champions. I agree we could not even compete at your level. You would have a walk-over.
lts pointless trying to have a rational discussion with Nostril-the-5th because he is a Dickhead.
Stop beating round the bush and say what you really think. LOL!
Titti boi....never heard heard that “North American” saying before did you make that up or bastardize O'Neils...“All politics are local” ? You should understand it's meaning before you use it as it relates to campaigning.
I am sorry for everything I have said about the US, Europe and especially the UK. This site is, I guess, a bit infectious and I got carried away. Please forgive me for my immature behaviour.
Seasons Greetings to one and all.
I hope you have electricity while you are visiting. With the heat index of 120 and no a/c it must be unbearable.
Did you see there was a commando assault of a family's home near the Presidential Quinta in Olivos. Masked gunmen with machine guns held the family hostage until they removed all their christmas gifts and other valuables. I wonder how many of these assaults go unreported? So be careful! It is the reason I moved back to the USA too many of those types of problems in my old neighborhood for my taste.
Maybe I will get online once or twice.
There are so many price distortions now and this is exactly what happened before the last crash. BA was more expensive than NYC or London then...it wasn't.
Except this time no IMF WB or IDB $ will be forthcoming.
Ouch.
Using your figures the pesos nets out at 61.44%.
Now as to the value of the pesos against the USD (if they have any) I can say only this:
HA, HA, HA, HA.
They voted for her, they have only themselves to blame (apologies to Simon68 and others).
I understand totally what you are saying. At times the posts get totally out of hand and the invective gets racked up to the point of absurdity. If people spoke face - to-face then they would hopefully rein in their comments.
As I have said often, I have no hatred or even dislike of the Argentinian population as such. Their politicians yes, but I don't think much of the politicians in the UK either. I only dislike individuals, not races or countries.
I deplore the continual sniping comments about the looks of CFK, Castro and the recent appointee Nahon. By all means judge them by their actions NOT by their physical attributes.
Anyway, I am now being dragged off by my grand daughters to watch the DVD of Brave ------- everywhere I turn now women are in charge - maybe not a bad thing !
One thing that people in the north don't realize is most nice houses and condos have a reserve water supply that lasts 3-5 days in their attic or on the roofs (big condo bldgs downtown) but if the pumps aren't working there will be no water in the reserve. Electricity goes out all the time and it is another reason I came back home.
I don't know how many times I had to replace electronics because of the brownouts. It got to be pretty expensive and a pain!
Yet another reason I moved back to the USA.
I think you will find that the blackouts have more to do with the flooding of the electrical cables which are run underground.
For some reason, countries with local overhead supplies seem unable to ensure the underground cables are correctly laid out. It should only be a problem when the local substation is swamped and the switchgear is unable to cope.
The AG union guy was quoted as saying as much (but it was in Clarin!).
Brownouts are another problem directly related to the inability of the electrical generation to maintain the declared system voltage. The answer here is to bring more generating stations on line, assuming they have them of course: but doesn't Argentina have plenty of everything? :o)
The reason for that is the electric company has to balance the load over each of the three phases in each supply cable AND between each building otherwise the alternators at the power station get out of balance and all sorts of nasty things can happen then.
The elevators and the pumps would each be on their own 3-ph supply which is why the operating resumption times were different.
Lighting and 'soft power use' such as TV, fridges, A/C, etc would be off a single phase for one apartment (L1), the next apartment on another phase in the same cable (L2) and the next apartment on the third phase in the same cable (L3). This would be repeated throughout the block unless the building is very large and needs two or more 3-ph cable connected as before to power all the apartments.
Hope this helps. :o)
Hope they don't come back =)
#197 Nice comment =)
That would be hilarious!
The Supreme Court unanmimously rejected CFK's request for per saltum AND also rejected their tcomplant against the civil court for extending the injunction.
Dec 27th, 2012 - 03:51 pm
You are thick, B_K, it is the bank employees who are on srike, not the bankers.
#216 Exactly
You clearly have let your hatred for 'Bankers' whatever you perceive them to be to confuse their function for business.
Derivatives are what you should concentrate on. These are nothing more than financial gambles (and in the case of Lehman Bros there was not even a gamble - you had lost before you started) on whether the people who were in the structure paid their debts. OBarmy, when he was a Senator did the worst thing ever: he got a Bill approved to force the two Fannys to give mortgages to anybody with a pulse, mainly blacks of course. And they grabbed their chance at the good life (and who can blame them) without understanding what would happen when the short term offers which made their payments manageable, expired, hence the foreclosures and the collapse of the value of the derivatives.
I personally made a lot of money off derivatives but I understood what was going on and acted accordingly.
So, Bankers are necessary, financial ‘houses’ perhaps not so BUT under NO circumstances should the two exist within the same bank, ever! IMO
As you BK don't confuse greedy market makers with bankers. One may be called an investment banker, but they are anything but a banker. Unfunded debt swaps should be illegal. AIG is a classic example of lack of controls and unfunded investments fueled solely on greed. And then there are the bank tellers on strike that you confuse as bankers themselves.
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