Wednesday, December 26th 2012 - 06:16 UTC

UK Parliament addresses disruption of Falklands’ shipping and tourism by Argentina

The disruption of shipping and tourism in Argentina and the Falkland Islands reached the British Parliament and was addressed by Foreign Office officials who said the UK regrets the Argentine attitude but is also holding talks with international partners that share concerns about illegitimate interferences, and with the cruise industry.

Secretary Swire: “we are in discussions with international partners” remain in contact with the cruise ship industry

On Thursday 20 December, last day before recess, MP Andrew Rosindell asked Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs Hugo Swire what recent discussions he has had with the government of Argentina on reports of actions in ports in that country affecting the Falkland Islands cruise ship industry.

Mr Swire said “the British government deeply regrets that elements in Argentina have recently taken action aimed at disrupting cruise ships that visit the Falklands. We condemn unequivocally any efforts to intimidate companies from pursuing their lawful business. My officials have discussed these issues, and the wider issues affecting shipping, with Argentine officials on two separate occasions and on 3 December 2012 when we summoned the Argentine ambassador to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. The ambassador is in no doubt about our strength of feeling on this matter.

“We are also in discussions with international partners who share our concerns about these illegitimate efforts to interfere with shipping and tourism in the region, and we remain in contact with the cruise ship industry. I understand that Carnival UK, having failed to receive assurances that its ships will not be disrupted in Argentina, has been forced to drop Argentine ports. They are the third cruise line to cancel calls on Argentina. Carnival UK will however continue to call at the Falklands, and we hope that others in the industry will similarly refuse to bow to blackmail, which is designed only to damage the economic well-being of the Falkland Islands' people.

“It is unfortunate that such actions by groups within Argentina, which have yet to be condemned by their Government, have not only prevented thousands of passengers from visiting Argentina, but have also harmed the livelihoods of those working in the Argentine tourism sector. The British Government continues to encourage all those in Argentina to allow cruise ships to travel without threats or hindrance”.
 

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1 Musky (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 08:51 am Report abuse
CFKs governments failure to condemn the attack on the cruise offices shows they are complicite and endorse these acts of thuggery.
2 MrFlagpole (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 09:10 am Report abuse
It's childish beyond belief.

unfortunately we see from Argentina again and again a willingness to break the law when it suits then go bitching to international courts when it doesn't.
3 Anglotino (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 09:34 am Report abuse
The Falklands couldn't buy this sort of publicity even if it wanted to.
4 ChrisR (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 10:46 am Report abuse
@3

Exactly.
5 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 11:09 am Report abuse
3

Like ChrisR says above: exactly.

Now it's our job to make the most of the positive publicity kindly gifted to us by CFK and her boys from La Campora.

“We are in discussions with international partners who share our concerns...”

:)
6 Steve-33-uk (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 11:58 am Report abuse
Latest from the RG press...

'The Argentina devalued its image in the cruise industry'
“~But the laissez-faire government is responsible and complicit with their silence inactive for cruise tourism in Argentina be stained forever. Only the Foreign Ministry said in informal meetings that were incurred in an ”error“ interpretive Gaucho Rivero provincial law as a cruise does not exploit non-renewable natural resources. Unless you take pictures of a penguin is comparable to oil drilling in the Falklands.
No logical explanation either receive the 1000 Argentine passengers, after traveling to Chile to board the Star Princess, may not meet all of the Falkland Islands, victims and perpetrators, calling for Argentina.”

www.lanacion.com.ar/1540146-breves
7 Conqueror (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
Thank you, argieland.

Monitor these three articles to check your current status:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pariah_state
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_state
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failed_state

For further information, read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Failed_States_Index

Argieland is already listed in the Failed States Index!
8 slattzzz (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
Rg's whinging twats
9 Britishbulldog (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
We could if we wish escort the cruise ships with our state of the art navy ships and sink any Argentine tub that interferes with the lawful cruising of these cruise vessels, the cruise ships could include the sinking of a Argentine tub in their cruise itinerary, I am sure that there would be a market in the industry for that kind of thing. Just for £50 more come and cruise the waters of the South Atlantic and watch a real life British Navy vessel sink a scumbag Argentine tub, come watch as the Argentine tub sinks within minutes watch with delight as the Argentine sailors flounder in the cold Atlantic waters, watch as they slowly sink beneath the waves, all this for £50 more book now before all the cruise tickets are gone.
10 redpoll (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
Anyone tell me if this ban applies only to maritime traffic or is air transport included also?
11 Islander1 (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
10- only to ships travelling to the Islands whose voyage originates in an Arg port. The only airlink that does is Lan on the 2nd Sat on the month by special agreenet to allow their nok families and veterans the chance to fly here direct - so that really would be an own goal if the tried to stop that one!
Cruise vessel in harbour today, another due tomorrow and another Friday, then 2 or 3 due Sun 30th.
They appear to be only barracking the large ones in Buenos Aires - the smaller Antarctic Expedition vessels -100-200pax - seem to have no problem conimg here from Ushuaia enroute to the Antarctic etc.
We suspect the Ush tourist industry raders have told the provincial Govt to wind its neck in and be sensible - otherwise lots there would loose their businesses and Chile would be laughing if these vessel went to Punta Arenas insetad for their cruise exchanges!
12 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Argentina doesn't need to put up with pirates and colonist from UK go home and get over it. Pirates should be executed and their ships auctioned or set on fire as Australia and UK does to them. Do to the English as the English do to others. Visit their embassy to treat them as the UK treated Libya. Long live justice and CFK.
13 Anglotino (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
@12 Pirat-Hunter

Blah blah blah.

Do this!
Do that!
DO SOMETHING AS I FEEL SO POWERLESS!

God the pain of going through your repeatative posts that you dearly hope will gain traction..... somewhere..... ANYWHERE!

“Argentina doesn't need to put up with pirates and colonist from UK go home and get over it.”

The Falklands aren't in Argentina but maybe think of the Falkland Islands as some sort of British compound keeping all the pirates from the UK away from Argentina so they can live their 'piratey' lives without infecting or 'pirating' anyone in Argentina. When you think about it this way, the British are doing a public service. How nice!

“Pirates should be executed and their ships auctioned or set on fire as Australia and UK does to them”

Huh. Please tell me the last time Britain or Australia executed someone. Also do you know WHY Australia burns the boats of ASYLUM SEEKERS and illegal fishermen? Biosecurity!. Being an island continent it protects itself from unwanted pest (if only we could do it on forums). Also it destroys the infrastructure and assets from people smugglers and illegal fishermen. But they are wooden so burn easily.

Which British boats are you planning on burning? Cruise ships?

“Do to the English as the English do to others. Visit their embassy to treat them as the UK treated Libya.”

What? Libya that was liberated from a despot that you used to rape girls and torture and kill people? Libyans who rose up and despised of a dictator. I didn't realise you were such a supporter of democracy. Thank you. I didn't know the UK embassy was being run as a dictatorship that shoots down passenger planes full of innocent civilians.

Or do you support old men kidnapping and raping young girls?

“Long live justice and CFK”

Totally agree. Justice should be long lived. I have no desire to see CFK die soon. She is after all someone's mother and she is an elected president. She might not be a good president but no reason for her to die.
14 Anbar (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
Pirat-hunter is so naive its almost endearing.
15 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
#13 we know you feel powerless. What else is new ? I would feel the same if 20 children get executed in Argentine schools but its OK because only the English kill school children and let automatic weapons be sold to Mexican drug lords. Malvinas Argentina is not for Fakland holdings we agree this pesty British monopolist need to be eradicate from leaching of Argentina's natural resources. We do not support english people rapping and murdering Muslim women and children all over Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. How do you english people live with yourselves?.. live Argentina alone, we all know where all the murderers and child molester come from, ask any Muslim not the english ignorant. The only liberty I seen in Libya happened a few weeks ago when they burned down the US embassy and the terrorists in it, in time all those terrorists refuge will become ashes. Keep up the good work retards. We Argentine love CFK and support her 100%.
16 Britworker (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
@15
“rapping muslim women” lol. i'm still laughing, he is priceless!
17 Monty69 (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
15 Pirat-Hunter

I don't support anyone 'rapping'. It's not even proper music.
18 Britworker (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
@17
I know, you would think those poor muslim women would have enough to deal with, without british men rapping to them....:-)
19 Musky (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 10:18 pm Report abuse
@15 Pirat-Hunter
You are clearly of limited intellectual ability and have sniffed too much glue. No doubt you've had a wretched Christmas and have failed to receive a christmas card from CFK.
20 Anglotino (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
Pirat-Hunter

I thought you didn't talk to homosexuals! So you do. You know I'm gay don't you… yep big ol' gay boy... that you are talking to!!!

“we know you feel powerless”
Obviously you have trouble with English.

What does the recent school massacre in the US have to do with me or the British? You need to get hold of an atlas. Heard of a small thing called the American War of Independence haven't you?

And now the “English” are selling automatic weapons to Mexican drug lords? Oh lordy…. I wonder if there is an export tax on that.

“Malvinas Argentina is not for Falkland holdings we agree this pesty British monopolist need to be eradicate from leaching of Argentina's natural resources”
Then do something about it… hang on a minute you tried…. and failed.

All people like you do is talk about it while the Falkland Islands sail serenely along being wealthy, well governed and getting all that oil for themselves. wah haha!

“english people rapping and murdering Muslim women and children all over Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria”
I know you meant raping, but it was quite funny to read rapping. Jajaja.
Syria - Where in Syria are these “English people” exactly?
Libya - what troops? Do you even know what happened here?
Afghanistan - try looking up UN Security Council Resolution 1386 - you know that body that CFK keeps asking to help take over the Falklands.

“How do you english people live with yourselves?”
I'm not English.

“I live Argentina alone, we all know where all the murderers and child molester come from, ask any Muslim not the english ignorant”
That made no sense.

“The only liberty I seen in Libya happened a few weeks ago when they burned down the US embassy and the terrorists in it, in time all those terrorists refuge will become ashes”
Hardly made sense, minimise spittle on your keyboard. Glad to see you support terrorism.

“Keep up the good work retards”
Aaah an insult. Thank you.

“We Argentine love CFK and support her 100%”
Who is we? Love away!
21 ElaineB (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
PH lives in Canada and does not know anything about Argentina other than his parents left there looking for a better life. He clearly does not fit into society so grasps at some remote 'cause' to justify his hatred of everything including himself.
22 slattzzz (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
Ph lives in Canada and won't go back to rgenweener because he's gutless and just talks the talk but would run like fook if it came to walking the walk. A com
23 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 01:10 am Report abuse
UK Parliament addresses disruption of Falklands’ shipping and tourism by Argentina
AHHAhaahahahah,now the british public is getting really fed up to foot the bill. for 2000 pelople.Of course,is stupid,when you have hospitals and roads,and schools that are underfunded. in the uk.....
24 andy65 (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 01:20 am Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter My dear man I don'y know how many times I have to reminding you fools about this but I will try again

When you talk about pirates do you fully understand that Argentina is a land of European Immagrants born from Spanish colonist?? you are no different than the people of The Falkland Islands,every time you mention pirates you make your self look stupid either way your mother or great grand mother screwed a Spanish pirate
25 Steveu (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 01:41 am Report abuse
@23 No we're not

We *love* these people and this is why we will continue to defend their rights to our very last breath
26 Anglotino (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 02:47 am Report abuse
@23 Malivinero1

Well first, the Falklands are in the UK, so if their hospitals, roads and school are underfunded then there isn't much a bill being footed.

But we know that isn't true.

A democracy balances the good of the people against the good of the individual. My government does not ask me if I approve of everything. Is it fair that a person that earns more money than I do gets a tax break? I don't have children, so why should my taxes subsidise education? I am not old, so why should my taxes pay someone's pension? I am healthy, why do my tax dollars help unhealthy cigarette smokers get free healthcare?

The fact is the Falkland Islands are not subsidised. The Islands are self-sufficient in funding except for military protection.

The question you should ask is why do these islands need military protection. It is quite farcical to blame the Falklanders for their £60 million military expenditure when it is actually caused by Argentina.

Do not make the assumption that all MOD costs would not exist if the Islands were not UK territory. The purchase cost of equipment based on the Islands would be the same were they based in England. The figure I quoted is the actual cost of defending the Islands per year.

Think of the logic:
Argentine actions cause the UK to spent money on defence.
Increased defence spending will strengthen Argentine case (this is you here).
UK public opinion will turn against such defence spending (this is what you think is happening).
Giving in to Argentina will lower UK defence spending.
Lower defence spending will make UK citizens happier.

Therefore the only option to reduce UK defence spending is to give Argentina sovereignty.

Defence is not a zero sum game.

You might feel like you are on to a strong argument when discussing along these lines, but it is specious.

The diplomatic equivalent of blaming a rape victim.
27 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 03:52 am Report abuse
@23 No we're not

We *love* these people and this is why we will continue to defend their rights to our very last breath
Sure losers.....uk is FINISHED....And I mantain correspondence with some britons....If there is nothing to gain(like oil,etc) DO NOT WASTE OUR money....AHAHAHAHAHA...That is the reality..there IS NO OIL....so why waste the money.......Well how long do you think uk will figth the intenational community?And Argentina? For how long? 10,20 years....probably much less than that.And yes the people in uk ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT the underfunding in Education and health...I know that!
28 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 10:57 am Report abuse
It will be very interesting to see how this story plays out over the next season or two. So far some ships have said they'll continue to call into the Falklands and some haven't. Too close to call so far. The people we (my work) deal with are pretty evenly split over their predictions. It looks like the FCO has some more work to do.
29 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
Noo body gives a damn about Malvinas..only the nostalgic brits ex empire,give an importance that does not have!Remember,uk wanted to get rid of it.....It Is all registered.....
30 agent999 (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 01:05 pm Report abuse
@27
We remember in 1982 Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands and got kicked out !!!
31 ChrisR (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 01:13 pm Report abuse
29 Malvinero1

But you used to be an innocent baby and then you grew up and went to what passes as a school to be indoctrinated in a pack of lies by a Peronista state full of crooks and corrupt police and government officials.

You cannot move on from that can you? Have you ever read the truth set out in a library outside of AG, I bet not?

Saying the UK wanted to get rid of the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you prats) is the first truthful thing I personally have seen you post.

But things change and in this case they changed because of argie aggression and the fact that the islands were invaded. Had you all kept your gobs shut (I know that's impossible for you) you may well be in joint power or even a protectorate today. Horrible thought as it is.

ALL THAT HAS GONE FOREVER (at least 10 generations even if CFK was hung tomorrow and a reasonable President put in power).

So it's all down to the stupidity of successive Presidents: can't see anything changing soon then!

Basically you are all fucked with a ragman’s trumpet. Nice mental picture that, at least for me.
32 Pete Bog (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
@29
“Noo body gives a damn about Malvinas”

That is because the Malvinas do not exist.

That is your dream, but please continue dreaming if you like.

“..only the nostalgic brits ex empire,give an importance that does not have”

Well no, it is Argentina that seeks an Empire, the UK has already had one, and it's long gone.Only you RGs think we have an Empire whilst we Brits KNOW we haven't got one.

I am not nostalgic for an empire like you Imperiaistic Argentinians, as my dream is that the Falkland Islands achieves 'Belize style' independance which is different from your dream which wants the FI to become a colony of Argentina.

However as the Falkland Islander's do not wish this, I will have to dream too, but, in the knowledge that my dream is more likely to become reality in the future than yours.

“Remember,uk wanted to get rid of it”

Absolutely correct , however the UK government were in the 60s and 70s, stupid enough to believe the Argentine's warped version of history instead of making the effort to fully investigate the period from 1765-1833 in context and see what the factual reality reveals.

If Argentina had pursued UK style diplomacy and put it to the Islanders that as the UK couldn't give a stuff about them , but actually treated the Islanders like friends instead of second class scum, then Argentina might have charmed the islands into sovereignty (though the Islanders are not as stupid as you think).

Also another massive RG diplomatic cock -up in May 1982. Even after Belgrano was sunk, Galteiri did not attempt to engage brain into gear, and withdraw RG forces in May 1982 to achieve the joint UN sovereignty/UN administration offered by Thatcher.

Therefore because he fought on, the UK was then FORCED down the road (that they should have taken in the first place) to FULLY side with the Islanders and the UK since, has been morally obliged to give the Islanders what they have wanted for years-more say in how they run themselves.
33 Monkeymagic (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
Malviner01

let's take a look at your logic.

There WAS no oil discovered in 1982, but the British Government (in a far worse economic state than today) sent a task-force (at great financial cost to the British tax-payer) and an even grater cost of human life, to defend the rights of the islanders to live in peace.

Roll on 30 years, and you suggest that, at a far lower relative financial cost, and a tiny risk to human safety (given the strategic defence of the islands), the British would simply walk away.

You are mad mate...NEVER going to happen.

What will happen is that Rockhopper and Premier oil will develop the Sealion oil field and by 2020 be paying tax to the Falkland Island Government. 80,000 barrels a day. Somewhere near $500m a year in tax and duty to the FIG.

Do you think Sealion is the ONLY field in the North Falklands Basin. With income from Sealion, who knows whether other similar discoveries will be made?

You lost..
34 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
@33 You repeat a delusional and sentimental myth that needs to be debunked every time it appears.

The Task Force did not sail to defend the rights of the islanders to live in peace. It sailed to restore to the UK the property that had been stolen by force a few day's earlier. COBR was not awash with democratic sentiment and support for a small and distant English speaking community. It was awash with the will of a generation of leaders that were brought up during and after the 2WW to believe that dictators have to be faced down by force.

That was UK property that was stolen and the Task Force was sent to get it back (Remember the headline:. The Empire Strikes Back?) I was only present in COBR once and then late at night but it was enough to convince me that the rights of the islanders was not even a factor in the Appreciation that resulted in the Task Force sailing south. Neither was securing potential future resources.

What now matters now is that British lives were lost to recover a British possession. Governments since have been devaluing their sacrifice by slowly giving away what was fought for. Politicians and the FCO will have a lot to answer for if they carry on giving away the fruits of that sacrifice to the local government in the mistaken belief that this will somehow neutralise the ill-founded but aggressively stated Argentinean claim.
35 Monkeymagic (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
Dove

Oh dear oh dear..what cobblers you write.

If post WW2 Britain was interested in territory why did it cede 1/4 of the land mass of the world to the inhabitants of each territory, on the whole without bloodshed, war or attrition??

If post ww2 Britain was territorially minded, why didn't it fight tooth and nail to keep its Empire like France (obviously without the humiliating defeats). Why has Britain maintained a very strong relationship with the commonwealth?

What have all the remaining BOTs got in common? The people wish to be British and therefore they are treated as such.

Your gibberish argument is like saying that if somebody attacked Cornwall, we wouldn't give a darn about the Cornish, we'd just want the land back...a total nonsense. We want the land because the Cornish people live there and they want to be British.

A bi-product of the successful task force was the improved sentiment at home, but not the reason for it.

Ask the families of the 350 servicemen who died what they think. I suggest they agree with me.
36 ChrisR (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
@35

I was just 36 when the fleet sailed south.

For my part it was to chuck these upstart wannabe Nazis off the Falklands which was part of Britain, like Wales and Scotland.

When I saw the films at the time of the sacrifices our soldiers made it was for ALL of us: Britain.

DoD is, I am afraid, as much a problem as Blind_Scottie_Kirchnerist is. Neither one thing or the other but DoD IS a very educated man and should be 'watched' accordingly. The other one is growing more idiotic by the day.

When the referendum takes place I am confident the Islanders will vote to REMAIN British.
37 Monty69 (#) Dec 28th, 2012 - 01:21 am Report abuse
34 Doveoverdover

Your post is confused and contradictory. You say that the main purpose of the task force was to give a dictator a bloody nose. Well it did that, and that, presumably was the 'fruit of the sacrifice'. How then can it be 'given away'?
What is being 'given away' and to whom? The 'local government' is us, the people who live here. You can't give away our freedom to live in our home to us. Because whether you like it or not, and whether it was the main intention or not, the main 'fruit of the sacrifice' was to give us the right to live in our home under the government of our choosing.
That's because the world has moved on in the last 30 years. I know you haven't, but mostly we are not required to live in a 1982 bubble to show how grateful we are for the 'sacrifice'.

Why don't you say what you really think? I'm going to take a wild guess and say that this is mainly about the oil for you. Without it, you wouldn't give two hoots for us and the 'sacrifice' that was made; you'd happily cut us adrift along with Pitcairn and St Helena.

It doesn't matter that 'British lives were lost to recover a British possession', not in the sense that it means Britain has to hang on to its 'possession' for ever. Whatever gave you that idea? British lives were lost all over the Empire; do they count for nothing because Britain no longer controls India or South Africa? Of course not.
38 ynsere (#) Dec 28th, 2012 - 03:52 am Report abuse
I was 33 when the fleet sailed. Together with another two Uruguayan friends we went to offer our services at the British Embassy, Montevideo. It was pandemonium there, with staff from the Embassy in Buenos Aires moving in. We waited for hours and were finally interviewed by a young lady of our own age. Her main interest was whether our Uruguayan accents could pass for Argentine. She asked us to leave a phone number where we could be reached at once if required. And that’s the last we heard of it, except that in my case every time the old magneto wind-up phone on the estancia rang, I feared I was about to be sent somewhere like Rio Gallegos and end my days before an Argentine firing squad. Not even a thank-you letter from the Embassy, to this day.
Most Uruguayans were on Britain’s side, or at least anti-Argentine. In my case it was also fond memories of friends I’d made in Stanley, during a visit as a schoolboy on the Darwin in the early sixties. And helping decent people against the particularly unsavoury Junta in BA.
I happened to be in BA on the night of the Argentine invasion. Forced to jump up and down and look extatic, to the mindless chant of “El que no salta es un inglés”. Not much has changed.
The Battle of 1982 was won by the good guys, but the wider war initiated by Perón continues.
39 ChrisR (#) Dec 28th, 2012 - 10:36 am Report abuse
38 ynsere

I really enjoyed this post and thank you for at least trying to help the Brits: no doubt it was chaos for quite a while after you left your details, which I am sure you understand.

I am pleased you were not shot. :o)
40 Islander1 (#) Dec 28th, 2012 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
Holland America Line,s Veendam in port at anchor today and over a 1000 tourists ashore - opps was this supposed to NOT happen Argies?
41 WestisBest (#) Dec 28th, 2012 - 01:54 pm Report abuse
@34

Doveoverdover

There are only two possible explanations for your whining and deliberate misunderstanding of what a British Overseas Territory is:

1. You're a Brit who's living in the past and bitter over the loss of the Empire.

2. You're an Argentine who's living in the past and bitter over the loss of the Falklands.

Either way the onus is on you to dry your tears, man up and look to your own future. The future of the Falklands is in the hands of the Falkland Islanders now as it should be, if you can't deal with that then too bad.
42 Pete Bog (#) Dec 28th, 2012 - 05:15 pm Report abuse
@34
“Politicians and the FCO will have a lot to answer for if they carry on giving away the fruits of that sacrifice to the local government in the mistaken belief that this will somehow neutralise the ill-founded but aggressively stated Argentinean claim.”
It will not neutralise the Argentine claim, which you correctly state is ill founded but the UK apart from the defence costs, are not outlaying huge swaths of aid money keeping the Falkland Ilsands afloat.

The fertiliser to mmake the Falkalnd tree grown has been provided by the security afforded by HMG to make money out of their own natural resources, which should have been given to the Islanders long before it was.

Since the misguided policy of HMG in the 60s and 70s that viewed the Islanders with the same snotty contempt that the Argentines still view the Islanders, the Falkland Islands have moved away from the previously restrictive colonial controls and have been given the freedom to improve their economy, which entails I must point out, a good flow of Falkland Islanders money to the UK for goods and services.

The sacrifice of the guys that liberated the Islands is strongly appreciated in the Islands and the guilt that comes from that (though not their fault) has been harnessed to ensure the Islands suceeed to justify that sacrifice.

You allude as though the Islanders benefit from their resources by not giving anything back to the UK. Before the Lan Chile flights from where on earth do you imagine the Falkland Islanders imported most of their goods?

And talking of sacrifice-what about the Falkland Islanders who laid down their lives for the UK during WW1 and WW2, not to mention the volunteers that were not killed?

What of the £10,000 the Falkland Islanders raised for the UK war effort in WW2? That was quite a considerable donation per head of capita back then.

What of the ten Spitfires in RAF service during WW2 that were paid for by the Falkland Islanders?
The FCO will have nothing to answer for
43 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 28th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
I was 33 when the fleet sailed. Together with another two Uruguayan friends we went to offer our services at the British Embassy, Montevideo. It was pandemonium there, with staff from the Embassy in Buenos Aires moving in. We waited for hours and were finally interviewed by a young lady of our own age. Her main interest was whether our Uruguayan accents could pass for Argentine
Ahahah sure ”uruguayans' except the uruguayans are very happy to receive money,and investment from Argentina,not to mention,millions of Argentines,spending their time in Uruguay.. BTW ,there are over 1 million Uruguayans living in Argentina... shut up FAKE Uruguayans....Sure,there were many Irish,jews,etc,that voluntered to figth against the brits.....

You're an Argentine who's living in the past and bitter over the loss of the Falklands
AHAHAHAHa anyway the future is MALVINAS ARGENTINAS,and uk OUT of the SOUTH ATLANTIC! ..uk is FINISHED boys!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
And the world does not GIVES a damn about you people......Ahahahah
Poor deluded ex empire...
44 Anglotino (#) Dec 28th, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
@38 ynsere

Amazing story. It is so rare to be caught upon history like that.

Though I'm sure if the Argentineans hadn't folded so quickly and easily that you may have gotten that phone call.
45 ynsere (#) Dec 28th, 2012 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
Malvinero1 @ 43
The worst possible insult for a Uruguayan is to be called Argentine or Porteño. Brazilians sometimes take us for Argentines, and then apologise when we put them right.
46 malen (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 12:18 am Report abuse
38 not even a thank-you letter from the embassy up today...........jajajajajaajajaj
I happened to be in BA the day of the invasion.....................jajajajajajajaajajaja if you dont like Arg, why all uruguayans come to Argentina??? so masocchists you are, stay there.
47 Anglotino (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 01:57 am Report abuse
Yeah they probably go there to shop. With a higher income level it's sorta like Aussies going to Indonesia or Americans going to Mexico. It is so nice when there is a poor country next door.
48 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 04:18 am Report abuse
Malvinero1 @ 43
The worst possible insult for a Uruguayan is to be called Argentine or Porteño.
Who cares the Argentines own PUNTA del Este,and most of the Uruguayans will not object to it.....Some envy????
Sure,do me a favor,FAKE,just don let the Argentines vacation in Uruguay....AHAHAHAHAAH!!
49 shb (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:26 am Report abuse
@malvibaby - what is it like to be let out of the institute for criminally deranged malvinistas?

Did you remember to take your medication with you?

Get ready to enjoy another year of NOT invading/annexing/ethnically cleansing/ occupying the Falklands Malvinistas.
50 ChrisR (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
45 ynsere

The worst possible insult for a Uruguayan is to be called Argentine or Porteño.

Absolutely.

BUT IT'S THE WORST INSULT FOR THE ARGIES TO BE CALLED ARGENTINES AS WELL! They want to be called Brits, really.

LOLs :o)
51 Redcoat (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 02:54 pm Report abuse
I’ve waiting for the cruise industry to stop calling at the irrelevancy that is Argentina, the country is in such a downward spiral, many of its people being so staved that they have to loot of supermarkets.

Brazil, Uruguay, The Falklands and Chile are the only places of interest.
52 ynsere (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
ChrisR @ 50
That reminds me of an old Uruguayan joke:
What is an Argentine? An Italian who speaks Spanish and wants to be English.
Still relevant?
53 LightThink (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
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54 ChrisR (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
52 ynsere

Spot on!

LOLs
55 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
That reminds me of an old Uruguayan joke:
What is an Argentine? An Italian who speaks Spanish and wants to be English.
Still relevant?
Who cares fake!
MALVINASA RGENTINAS!! Aahaahah poor deluded ex empire....HATED by half of the world!
56 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
35 MonkeyMagic

Good post but I notice the great naval commander didn't reply. Like you say, why did the UK let so many places slip out of the family home and start their own lives but would not be prepared to let the Falklands do it? Not that we want to do it. It makes no sense, especially given the number of Ministers, Governors and MPs who come down here and tell us that the UK is there to support us whatever we decide. Why go to such lengths if they didn't mean it?

The great naval commander thinks we shouldn't be given the option to decide anything ourselves (well actually, a few months ago he used to say we weren't given any such options but his tune is weakening) but if the UK's leaders thought that, why would they go to such lengths to give us options?

Look at how powerful the Empire was 100 or more years ago when some of the colonies went their own way. I have no doubt that the UK is quite willing to let us steer our own course into the future.

41 Westisbest

3 options I think. I'd say he was refused by one of our girls and never got over it.

Seriously though, he is surely an Argie. If you're who I think you are you've met enough military folk to be able to safely say they don't make them like this one.
57 Anglotino (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
Why does Malvinero1 consider being an ex-empire is an insult?

It's sort of like continually saying the sky is blue. The UK is indeed an ex-empire because it doesn't have any colonies left.

So Malvinero1 I wholeheartedly agree with you as do most on here. Britain is no longer an empire.

As for being hated by half the world, really? Wow. Amazing. Being a country isn't a popularity contest, there's no sash to wear on your shoulder after proclaiming your desire for world peace in a bathing suit.

At least people think about the UK, I'd estimate that 80% of the world doesn't even have an opinion on Argentina. A country that stands for very little is always going to be a small target. That doesn't make it popular, just small.
58 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 01:23 am Report abuse
Why does Malvinero1 consider being an ex-empire is an insult?

because the brits DID NOT OVERCOME that disease.The brits have a post traumatic empire disease...It will take sometime...but it will pass.....Do not worry LOSERS,in a few years you will wake up from the dream...AHAHAHAHAAHA
59 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 03:24 am Report abuse
Ok the British have not recovered from losing their empire.

So what?

They still won the Falklands war.

The Falklands are still British.

But as you say this affliction will pass. How does it change anything? The UK is still richer and more powerful than Argentina.

Your oft repeated mantra is a non-sequitur. You are running around saying something that doesn't mean anything.

Britain is an ex-empire. I agree with you. Now what........
60 Terence Hill (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
58 Malvinero1

LOSERS? Wow! Your such winners that your neighbours sing your praises. How does that little ditty go now, oh yes!

“Maricones argentinos, que perdió las Islas Malvinas, ya que son un montón de idiotas mudos”
61 Redcoat (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
60 “Maricones argentinos, que perdió las Islas Malvinas, ya que son un montón de idiotas mudos”

i.e. Argentine queers lost the Falkland Islands because they are such a bunch of dumb idiots.
62 Islander1 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
Three Cruiseliners in port today here - over 3000 tourists ashore for the day spending money! - Hey come on malvanistas - this was not supposed to happen was it?

One with 120 in yesterday and another due tomorrow with similar number

Another big one in port 2 days ago with 1200 on and another with 500 the day before that.
63 Pete Bog (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:36 am Report abuse
@58
“The brits have a post traumatic empire disease..”

No, we have the Commonwealth which even countries who were not part of the past Empire have joined.

How's the Spanish Commonwealth by the way?

Are you in it?

We don't need an Empire, like the one you want and won't get.
64 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
Andrew Rosindel is a more honest guy than Cameron, has more clear beliefs etc, but he's pretty much a jingoistic irrelevance...
65 redpoll (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
Hows the pinup panoply progressing? Cristina, George Galloway and who else? Eva Braun and Evita might be a good addition. Oh and that good National Socialist Oswald Mosely perhaps?

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