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The spirit and roots of the Falklands in “Our Islands, Our History”

The Falkland Islands Government announced the completion of the booklet “Our Islands, Our History”. The booklet provides a succinct and accessible summary of the key aspects of the history of the Falkland Islands, and of the people whose determination and character have forged them to a democratic, prosperous and dynamic community.

The Falkland Islands flag and crest

“Our Islands, Our Home” book cover.

Monument to the 1914 Battle of the Falklands

It is a companion to the popular “Our Islands, Our Home” booklet which was released earlier in the year.

“Our Islands, Our History” is available as a free digital download on the Falkland Islands Government website at midday on Friday 21st December. Hard copies will be available in late January.
In a brief introduction Leona Roberts, Manager of the Falkland Islands Museum and National Trust explains the purpose of the booklet.

What are the Falkland Islands? Who are Falkland Islanders and what does it mean to be a citizen of our country? These are questions which Islanders are asked frequently but to which there are no quick answers.

Our history goes some way towards explaining what it is to be a Falkland Islander. It is a fairly short history. Settlement is relatively recent: it began in the eighteen century and has only been continuous from the early nineteenth century. Unlike the Spanish and Portuguese colonial empires, we never had an indigenous population, so we have no ancient monuments or romantic mythologies to define our identity as Islanders. Other people have spun their own myths around our history and this explains why there are so many misconceptions about who we are and about our right to call the Falklands our home.

The series of events which serve as the foundations upon which the Falkland Islands were built are what Our Islands, Our History aims to set out. Our history is one of long periods of tranquillity, punctuated by flurries of complex activity. The events of the 1760s and 1770s are involved but, with the help of the time line running throughout this publication, hopefully comprehensible. The period 1820 to 1833 is also complex and further complicated by the tendency to weave nationalist myths around the basic narrative.

Although not a heavyweight reference document, this book is intended to explain to the interested reader how our diverse community has matured, embracing influences from the many nations whose sailors visited these shores or who settled in the Islands, developing a cultural identity all of our own, but always maintaining a close kinship with Britain. This close affinity with Britain and loyalty to the Crown remains today – perhaps not entirely fashionable to the rest of the modern world but a genuine element of our national identity.

This book is not a history of the events of 1982 as plenty of these exist already. But we are eternally grateful to the British forces that liberated our Islands from a brief but painful Argentine occupation; their sacrifice returned our freedom and secured our future and will never be forgotten.

Falkland Islanders are more than just the product of a set of historical dates and events. There are families which can proudly declare up to nine generations born in these Islands and we are truly a distinct people in our own right - proud to be ‘Kelpers’, the nickname our ancestors adopted generations ago, taken from the rich forests of seaweed (kelp) which surround our shores.

What this book cannot describe is that intangible element that binds us so inextricably to this subtly beautiful land. To try to grasp this you should read this book’s companion volume – Our Islands, Our Home – or better yet, visit the Falklands and see for yourself...

 

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1 Brit Bob (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
The Moral Right to the Falkland Islands and the right to self determination under the UN Charter rests with the Falkland Islanders as confirmed by Ban Ki-Moon last month.

The legal right to the islands also rests with the Falkland Islanders. After the signing of the 'Convention of Settlement' in 1850 Argentina never made another sovereignty claim until 1941. Sovereignty disputes are considered defunct if there is a gap of 50 years or more between claims.
2 Conor J (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
Marvellous, through thick and thin, the legacy of the British Empire carries on. I look forward to reading the booklet myself. And I wish the islanders luck in their future.
3 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
Never mind that the Bark Europa bears a passing resemblance to ARA Libertad, what a careless choice of photo for the cover. I wonder if the Dutch owners of that sailing ship are pleased to have it drawn to the attention of all and sundry that she visits Port Stanley, despite frequently using Ushuaia as a turnaround port.

www.barkeuropa.com/en/data/16-sail_voyage_tabel
4 Shed-time (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
do people read booklets any more?

Wouldn't some kind of electronic nonsense be easier to disseminate?
5 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
Do you mean like this?

www.falklands.gov.fk/category/literature/
6 Shed-time (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
Yes, something like that.
7 malen (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
1820 1833 you expelled the people, the garrison, the authorities of Argentina, and usurpated the place by the use of force since today.
8 txiki (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
@7

What ever happened in 1833, it's time to get over it, grow up and move on. Argentina isn't going to ever go back to it's 1833 border - even though it didn't exist at the time - it isn't going to return lands taken from Paraguay from the war of the triple alliance, or leave the lands taken from the indigenous population in Patagonia. Likewise, it's not going to get its hands on the Falklands.

Move on, nothing to see here....
9 Alexei (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
@7 Learn some history. The illegal occupants were given the option to stay on the Falkland Islands, most chose to do so, their ancestors live there today. Amongst those few trespassers who were forcefully deported were murderers, looters, pirates and rapists. They were very lucky not to have been executed. They should have been, that is all they deserved.
10 MrFlagpole (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
Oh #7
11 Shed-time (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
I wouldn't bother trying to get any argentine nationalist to try to see sense away from their nonsense revisionist history where they somehow owned something that they didn't and lots of things happened that reality shows very didn't.

It's better to spend your time laughing at them. They're pitiful and like animals sit around speaking spanish and stealing things.
12 LightThink (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
Th penguin figure could be beseemed on the flag instead of sheep.
13 andy65 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
Have you ever asked an Argentine what they decend from?? they seem to completely ignore that part of there history.They use the word pirates when they decend from Spanish pirates, how stupid can you get.
14 GFace (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
@13, Well if you listen to certain posters here, Andy, it's like dealing with First Nations' mythos in which they sprung up locally. Not one part of their genome, be it cultural or literal, seems to come from the Eastern Hemisphere. Their haploids would disagree, but it's just one more pesky fact getting in the way of their pure ideological “Truth” justifying their continued models of fascism & colonialism and apologetics for their Dirty War and their attempt “share” both onto the necks of the Falkalnders.
15 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
Why is this in this section? Nothing to do with Argentina... unless it is utter propaganda by Mercopress.

@9

Actually, aren't you confusing your own compatriots there? It is the British who raped, pillaged, murdered, looted.

You should all be made to pay for your crimes.
16 dab14763 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
1820 1833 you expelled the people, the garrison, the authorities of Argentina, and usurpated the place by the use of force since today.

Malen,

Between 1816 and the 1880s you invaded most of the Province of Buenos Aires, la Pampa, Patagonia, Tierra del Fuego - territories which were never Spanish except in deluded Spanish fantasies - killed or expelled large numbers of people and their authorities, usurped those places by the use of force.
17 Shed-time (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
@15 thankfully the british learn in schools how they treated people quite dreadfully, but unlike the spanish, gave people the rule of law... not the rule of power. This is compared to Argentina where you continuously try to colonise your neighbours and celebrate mass-murderers on your bank notes. Then you elect the head of a terrorist group into power. I'd quite frankly rather be British than some animal like those Argentines.

Now get back to your kevlar body shield and your cat's pyss malbec.
18 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
@17

The British learn? In schools? Sure is not reflected here.

The Spanish did the same, no doubt, I have never argued they did not. So did the French, Dutch, Portuguese, Germans, Belgians, and Italians. I would say you all should pay africa som 135 trillion dollars as it has been estimated and demanded for reparations from both slavery and the “race for Africa” which no less than 8 Western European execrable nations engaged in. Add Denmark for their oppression of Greenland.

Argentina engaged in no colonialism, we did not take other people to subjugate them. We engaged in simple and straightforward wars of expansions with our neighbors, be it Paraguay Formosa and Misiones, or Uruguay (Martin Garcia Island), or Brazil (to gain most control of Iguazu falls), or Chile (by taking advantage of their war in the north to take over their patagonian claims), or Britain (who claim Tierra del Fuego was ”theirs), or Bolivia (by forcing them to cede most of Jujuy to us). Once they were part of our territory, the people's in those areas were FULL members of the Argentine federation, as territories and then admitted as full provinces. A province is not a colony, it has representation in both legislative chambers, they get taxes returned, and the people are citizens.

You British schools are a laugh, I see.
19 dab14763 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
“Actually, aren't you confusing your own compatriots there? It is the British who raped, pillaged, murdered, looted.

You should all be made to pay for your crimes. ”

The descendants of British people who did those things are more likely to be people of countries that were once British colonies than to be people of the UK, just as the descendants of Spanish people who did the same things are more likely to be people of countries that were once Spanish colonies than to be people of Spain.
20 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
@18 i take my support where I can find it. So thank you for highlighting that the correct thing to do is to bring the Falkland Islands and the other British Overseas Territories into the United Kingdom as quickly as possible.
21 Shed-time (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
“You British schools are a laugh, I see.”
22 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
@19

Wrong. You inherit the bad and the good of your past. You can't pick and choose.
23 Shed-time (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
@22 I was trying in @21 to say you are a grammar-fail.

Incidently, you're a spanish speaker. This means you're trying to steal things from people, you are a pathological liar and you are very very lazy. Short of waking your from your 4 hour lunch break to tell you that your revisionist history is incorrect, you colonised the Falklands in 1982. You colonised your first nations people before those times. Your whole country was founded on colonisation, regardless of the fact you discount the people your colonised as being people. You probably think they were animals, which is why you celebrate their murderers on your bank-notes.

I would carry on further but quite frankly you're a bore and you're incapable of understanding it because of a brain addled from birth.

EOM.
24 dab14763 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
It's for the people of the OTs to decide if they want to integrate with the UK, and not for the UK to impose integration without their consent. There's no support for integration in the territories, except maybe by a small minority in Gibraltar.

Nostro,

Argentina, they may not be colonies now, but Argentina was colonising those territories ie sending settlers before they were formally part of Argentina as Territories or Provinces.
25 andy65 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus OK in an open forum tell me why Argentines refer to British as pirates when you decend from Spanish pirates WHATS THE DIFFERENCE Mr know it all, even the well known and respected Argentine journalist Jorge Lanata finds it funny that alot of Argentines do not understand there own history.Perhaps if Argentine primary schools step back from the Malvinas/Falklands issue and spent more time on there actuall history Argentines might be more wiser in what they preach.
26 dab14763 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
Nostro,

You do understand what 'more likely' means, don't you. In the case of inheritance of Spanish evil deeds in what is now Argentina, the inheritance is more in Argentina than in Spain, but that doesn't mean there is no inheritance in Spain.
27 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
@23, 24, 25.

I will forgive you three for not undestanding the difference between a colony and a FEDERAL province/state. The British are monolingual, which also means they are monointellectual. Your descriptions of Argentina are laugably misguided and more importantly, irrelevant. It is Argentina that decides what our history is like, not you Brits or anyone else. You are inconsequential in this matter.

We were never a colonial nation, because we never kept any annexed territories or their people as 2nd rate inferiors in some suzerain arrangement, and that's they way it is. Expansionist? Of course, who would deny that.

Colonial? Incorrect. The constitution always has said anyone that sets foot in Argentina is argentine. Always has said that. The “conquered” natives immediately become citizens.
28 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
The spirit and roots of the Falklands in “Our Islands, Our History”
Who cares! MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!
29 andy65 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Argentines are no different than the people of the Falkland Islands (well perhaps a lot poorer and with fewer freedoms) Argentina is a land of immigrants even the Argentine Ambassadore to the UK agrees when interviewed recently (was the only truth out of her mouth) unfortunately as per usual you trot out the moral high ground.
Finally what is written into your constitution about The falkland Islands.
30 dab14763 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
You were sending colonisers to them before they were part of Argentina, before they were conquered or annexed. They were, therefore, colonies.
31 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
@30

Nope, IMMIGRANTS. Diffefent. Colonists are coerced or payed by their government to take other's land. Immigrants make their choice in FREEDOM in their home countries to go somewhere. The recepient country has nothing to do with their choice.

@29

Poorer but a far more tolerant and welcoming society. And with more freedoms than the islanders, they are not even a sovereign country.
32 andy65 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 5, Take a look at this why do Argentines keep electing butch looking chemically henanced Hitlers to be President, Is this The Botox Queens Mother by any chance????? ISABELLA LOL

ar.noticias.yahoo.com/haig-asustarlos-enojarlos-000000079.html
33 Musky (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
@28 Malvin
The truth hurts you to the core, this is why your mantra is so very typical. The islanders display honesty and resistance to your vile rhetoric. R crawl back under your rock.
34 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
@32

So you like Greek Yoghurt @21 are throwing in the towel in front of the truth.

Argentina is morally superior to the UK. Always has been always will.

When you begin respecting other countries and cultures, then perhaps you will graduate.
35 andy65 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
The truth seems to pain all Argentines as for Nostrolldamus The 5th he should remember is was not long ago when Argentines were throwing Argentines from c130 military aircraft and the way things are going I can see The old Botox Queen bringing such actions back.
36 Monkeymagic (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
Notrolanus.

Do you believe the shit that you write?

The Genocide in Soutn America was the Spanish not the “argentines”?

The Argentines (those who got independence from Spain) were doing what at the time?

You are now claiming that Mestevier wasn't murdered by his own Argentine crew and his wife raped in front of their children
The Argentines and their march through Patagonia was entirely peaceful right??

Their illegal invasion of the Falklands wasn't the Argentines either right?

@7

Stop being a pillock. No population was expelled in 1833, in fact only three civilians chose to leave,

Interesting ..history Argie style.
37 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
There was no Genocide in South America, well at least not in what is today Argentina.
38 andy65 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 5th Strange how in the last 30 years Argentines have not been able to elect a governmant or president that is not corupt from Nazi Nestor to wifey and those that came before them.
39 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
The Conquest of the Desert was a military campaign directed mainly by General Julio Argentino Roca in the 1870s, which established Argentine dominance over Patagonia, which was inhabited by indigenous peoples, leaving more than 1,300 indigenous dead.
Jens Andermann has noted that the contemporary sources on that campaign indicate that it was a genocide by the Argentine government against the indigenous tribes.
40 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
@39

Argentines decided how their history reads, not you.
41 Britninja (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
@40 Which is why your country gets into sooo many problems ;) Wouldn't want something as inconvenient as 'truth' puncturing your inflated nationalistic fantasies would ya?
42 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
40

Just posting something from a worldwide media source Nozzy. Maybe the CFK Gov't can ban it.
43 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
Look who is talking... the culture that invented the saying “Victory is written by the victors”.

Which is why you people still believe the British Empire was a chivalrous spreading of benevolence, tea-drinking, and well all that other drivel you try to foist on the rest of the world (ps- no one buys it).
44 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
I don't know who you mean by “you people” but I've never said or thought something like that about the British Empire or the UK. Your problem is that you let every different comment on here by dozens of posters build up to your boiling point, then you pick the worst bits out and try to summarise them as the thoughts of all of us.

As for the Argentines deciding how their history reads. You didn't use your vast amounts of intellectual reserves to write that one my boy. Did you? Sure, you are responsible for your history but I'm not sure you're responsible for making sure it reads the way you want it to.
45 Islander1 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
Malen-7 Please go and visit YOur ARGENTINE National Archives - I think they are held in Mar del Plata - and they will list the people who were made to leave by the British in January 1833 - the militia and their “families”. These rewcords also name the 4 seetlers who decided also to leave of their oen free will - AND the names of all those who decided of their own free will - to STAY in the Islands and accept British rule.
This information is there - on record - in YOUR nation - read it and then you will realise your Govt feeds you a load of tripe.
For your information one of the girls who stayed subsequently married one of the British settlers and their family and blood lives on in the Islands today - yes - South American Blood - that does not want Argentina here either.
The last of those original people who stayed on under the British died in 1865 and she is buried in Stanley Cemetery.
46 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
And who is responsible... YOU?

MWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH.....

....AAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

ps-

@2
“Marvellous, through thick and thin, the legacy of the British Empire carries on.”
47 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
Tito The Clown Troll

Oh I want to thank you for your comedy posts at... Well actually, every thing that you have posted on here. It's so funny, I laughed so much that a little bit of wee came out!!!!!!!!

You are comedy diamond, seriously, do you have a blog? If not, you should, you really should. How can you hide this sort of comedy gold from the rest of the world......?

All my workmates look forward to your next posting with eager anticipation, just to marvel at your deadpan humour.......... It's classic, it really is........ LOL
48 Britninja (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
As usual, Tobes, you're parping out of your fart tunnel. We're all quite aware that the Empire was a blend of good and bad. We've even had children's TV programmes depicting the unpleasant and truthful facts:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWedTbuAtR4

Contrast that with your country's disgusting mental reprogramming of kids in school with the Official Peronist Government History of Argentina.
49 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
46

I'm not sure who the first part of your post was directed towards or what it means. Please try to calm down and re-post it in a form that makes sense if it was for me.

Anyway Nozzy, haven't we been over this whole argument with you several times? Didn't we establish that you're not of indigenous SA decent and therefore at some stage in your family's history you invaded and displaced a people or peoples?
50 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
48 Britninja

I wouldn't worry, Tito The Clown Troll doesn't care / worry about a little thing called truth getting in the way of what he / she / it wants to say. oh no, no, no!! The truth is another thing that he / she /it is running from..............
51 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
@47

I guess in the face of your atrocious history as a country, which I make you come to terms with, the only alternative to mass lemmicide is to laugh about it.

@45

You do know Argentina is the non-former English colony with by far the most “British” blood with the perhaps exception of Chile (depending how you define British which at the time was also Irish... Argentina being the home to more of a combined English/Welsh/Irish/Scottish migration than any other country in the world that does not speak English), and Argentina wants nothing to do with the UK. That' must hurt.
52 dab14763 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
I referred to the people who went to those territories BEFORE they became part of Argentina, not to those who went to those territories AFTER they became part of Argentina. Therefore, they were not immigrants to Argentina. And they did take other people's land. It definitely wasn't Argentine land.
53 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
51
“...and Argentina wants nothing to do with the UK.”

Sorry Nozzy but what's your reference for this fact? You do only deal in facts after all?
54 A.J.Rimmer (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
@18, numpty.

of course, it was the British who invented slavery.........

Nothing to do with the African tribes leaders.

Nor the Romans, before Britain was part of the world.

Was Slavery part of the ROMAN empire? the good book called the bible says as much, and yet u blame the British?

Words fail me sometimes, but ur ignornance astounds me.
55 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
@53

My personal sentiment is the reference.

@49

You established nothing but in your own mind. I have said a million times I am not a dirty European.

@48

Whatever you say. I will judge what you said based on how British children respond to my questions about the empire.
56 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
51 Tito The Clown Troll

There you go again!!!!!!! Oh the blessed joy of laughter!!!!!!!! You are seriously comedy gold....... I'm glad that they didn't bar you along with all the other retards....sorry..... La Campora posters ( sorry again, same thing ). HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh you are a laff!! Really you are!!!!
57 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
Nozzy

What are your ethnic origins? It took you several days of ducking and diving before you answered this one last time. Do try to be a little quicker this time.
58 andy65 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 5th (#)“Argentines decided how their history reads, not you.”

Seriously you write the biggest load of bollocks but on this occasion I whole heartedly agree with you,thats what we have been trying to tell you for goodness knows how long That Argentines Make Up There Own History To suit Them
Thank you for being honest it's much appreciated but we already knew what you confirmed. LOOOOOSER
59 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
@57

I am argentine in ethnic origin. Don't you islanders always say you ain't British?

Why should we respect that when you don't respect how I see myself? (although as you know in my case, I do respect the fact you want your self-determination... which is more than I can say about many others here who want Argentina dominated)
60 Conqueror (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
@3 What a poor choice of name. I can thing of so many that are better. “Bitchoverdover”. “Cowardoverdover”. “Dickoverdover”. “Monkeyoverdover”. Deathoverdover“. ”Slugoverdover“. ”Traitoroverdover“. How many more suggestions would you like? If you were EVER a member of HM Armed Forces, you deserve to be shot!
@7 If that's what you believe, so be it. Next time, we'll rip your throats out through your arses. And then, we'll come for YOU. We should do the right thing and carpet argieland with argie intestines. So that argies can watch their guts fry and rot in the sun.
@12 Surely that shape in the argie dishrag is wrong? Shouldn't it be truly representative? A dogturd? A pigturd? An argie faggotturd?
@15 What's a brainless, argie, faggot dogturd doing here? Are we not agreed that it should be head-down in a cess-pit? In the near future, all argie, faggot dogturds will be ploughed under. I have volunteered for the ploughing. See you!
@18 Genocide!
@22 You have been tried and found guilty. The sentence is that your tongue should be cut out, your genitals should be cut off, you should be impaled on a 7 foot iron spike and you should then be quartered. I wonder at what point you will die?
@27 Nazi semantics.
@28 The crater of argieland.
@31 You can't ”immigrate“ to a ”country“ that doesn't exist. For its lies, argieland must die.
@34 Superior? At what point is a faggot ”superior“? Argie ”history“ is 200 years of murder, rape, theft and lies. Being profligate, 41 million war criminals deserve nothing but death.
@37 You think not? The rest of the world doesn't agree. But not to worry. Fortunately, exterminating argies will not be genocide. Won't be exterminating a ”people”. Just an implanted population of murderers. Think about it as execution. Justified and legal.
61 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
58 andy65
LOL

57
Come on folks. Don't let Nozzy get away without answering this question. What's his ethnic origin?
62 andy65 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 5th No one here wants Argentina dominated we just want a small comunity left alone free from bullying because if the UK was closer it sure would be a different situation
63 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
43 Tito The Clown Troll

Look who is talking... the culture that invented the saying “Victory is written by the victors”.

That has always been the case you retard. Jesus Christ, Has someone else in your family got use of the brain tonight. Who else but the Victor would know what Victory is?

Are you basing your answer on the dazzling military Victories of the Argentine Armed Forces?

Tell me again, how many wars has Argentina won?

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hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha!!!!!!!

Clown

Now, be silent, the adults are talking..........
64 A.J.Rimmer (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 5th, u respect fuck all, so why the hell should we respect u??

simple question, please try answering without defelction.

there's a good child.
65 dab14763 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
I am argentine in ethnic origin. Don't you islanders always say you ain't British?

No, they say they aint English. Falkland Islanders and British, but not English, even though they have English ancestry mixed with other ancestries, which thus created the Falklands ethnicity.

Let's put the question another way. What parts of Europe did your ancestors come from to contribute to your Argentine ethnicity
66 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
61 Joe Bloggs and 64 A.J.Rimmer

No guys, I think he / she /it has gone. You can always bet your bottom dollar that, when the going gets tough, Tito The Clown Troll will run away and hide.
67 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
@63

Three official wars (vs Spain, vs Paraguay, vs Brazil), two unofficial conflicts (Anglo-French vs Argentine shipping conflict, British invasions) , and two other conflicts where no decisive victory was scored (Patagonian annexation vs Chile, and Antarctica).
68 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
67 Tito The Clown Troll

Well done boy!!! Well done!! I can see you can use google as well as the next child.

Now, since you have found enough back bone not to run away when things start heating up a little, why not answer our friend Joe Bloggs at 57.....? Can you do that son?
69 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
59

I know you have always made it clear that you believe in our self-determination and through thick and thin you have stuck to that stance. A stance that I thank you for. You also know that I was the first to point this out to many other “pro-Falklands/ pro-British” posters when they started to put you in with the “Malvinas” posters and abuse you. But over time, like a lot of us, you let the trans-Atlantic abuses build up inside until you became quite a different person, in many ways, on here.

That aside, I ABSOLUTELY consider myself to be British. I am a Falkland Islander which means I am British. I am as aware as anyone how many mistakes the British made throughout history but I can't fix those mistakes. I didn't make them. I can't give the aborigines of Australia their land back, I can't undo the misery caused by slavery throughout the Caribbean and many other places, etc.

Just like you can't be held responsible for the many mistakes your country, Argentina has made.
70 A.J.Rimmer (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
ahh, avoiding hurtful questions i see...........................
71 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
@65

The rest of the world has a difficult time determining what is the difference between British and English, that's not our fault, it is yours for making it so complicated. Don't expect the rest of the world to abide by your rules in this sense.

None of my ancestors came from Europe, all of their birth certificates that exist in our family clearly indicated birth within Argentina.
72 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
71

So in that case it sounds like they go back to the time when the land that is now know as Argentina was stolen from its indigenous owners. After all, that was happening at about the same time as our ancestors were settling in the Falklands and we all have our birth certificates dating back that far.
73 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
There were no indigenous owners in the 1870s in Mendoza, that's the earliest the birth certificates extend to. Prior once must have been lost.
74 A.J.Rimmer (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
lol, bullshit, pure and simple.

The whole world knows what British is, they know what English is, and Scottish, and Welsh.

Not our fault if your too stubborn to identify these places.

Face it, for some one who claims to be so far intellectually superior to all here, why do you find it do hard to understand the term Britain??
75 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
@72

In large, more dynamic countries like Argentina, there is not as much veneration of “ancestors” as there could be in very small, isolated places like the Falklands.

Argentina was the 2nd most migrated nation in WORLD HISTORY. 7 million people came and stayed after independence (probably after another 2million came and went before that time, staying temporarily then leaving). Another 5 million were “flock” migrants that came for the harvest and went back home. Since the major immigration period another 4 million inmigrants 95% from South America have come in, the others from the far East.

Given all that, ancestry lines are not as “lapidary” in their certainty. The USA and Argentina are exceptions in the world in that regard, which is why ancestry has only recently become an important matter... before that, people came to these countries to FORGET where they had come from.
76 andy65 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 5th, Come on man up and answer the questions my distinguished forum users ask you.
77 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
What question.
78 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:18 pm Report abuse
76 andy65

There was, just a moment ago, almost a moment of pure clarity. But the moment is now gone.... Tito The Clown Troll is again reverting to type. So you will now not a straight answer from him / her / it.
79 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
You'll all have to excuse me. Number one child has now come down with the same V&D bug that has kept me pretty much off Mercopress most of the week while nursing number two child who had it first. A sad Christmas and now it looks like being a sad New Year. Sorry to share that with you all.
80 andy65 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
The winter sickness bug??? If you are in The UK it's rife at the moment wishing your family well Joe
81 Malvinense 1833 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:31 pm Report abuse
Very good, but... the full history, friends
Reconnaissance map ordered by the Governor of the Malvinas Islands Felipe Ruiz Puente
www.loc.gov/resource/g9175.ct000320/
82 axel arg (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
I will read that book when i have more time. Anyway, there is something we must recognize. I mean the fact that history is always submitted to omisions in both parts of the conflict, i say it because It is often said in this website by many forists, and by some journalists who publish their opinions in mercopress, that arg. lost it's rights to claim for the islands, due to it's claim was interrupted between 1849 and 1884, after that long period it continued claming but not permanently untill 1945. Others people argue that u. k had a prior claim to the islands, before the spanish colonization in the soledad island (actual east falkland).
While it is true that the claims by arg. weren't continuous between those periods, it is also true that between 1884 and 1888, arg. suggested taking the dispute to an arbitration, which was rejected by the u. k., beside, in 1968, 1974 and 1980, the u. k. tried to find a negotiated solution for the sovereign dispute with arg. Respecting the soposed prior claim that the u. k. had, i must say that the discovery just gives a precarious tittle, which must be improved with a permanent occupation, and the u. k didn't start occupating the islands in a permanent way untill 1833. Beside, nobody can deny about the effective and permanent occupation by spain over the soledad island, in that case, the united provinces had right to occupy unless that island, after it declared it's independence. We must have enough intellectual honesty, in order to recognize that the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations. I have never believed in our offical history, thats' why i decided to investigate. On the other hand, it is also emphasized by many people here, about the genocided that the argentine state committed with the originary populations, when it occupied the patagonia, but you all ignore the fact that their claims and rights, are included our constitution, in fact, some lands were already restituted to them.
83 HansNiesund (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
@77
It's really comic how you guys can believe so fervently the crimes of the Spanish are nothing to do with you, but their loot is all yours.
84 Brasileiro (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
Conquest Falklands .....Change Falklands to Malvinas......Change Stanley to Puerto Argentino........joke...... make to your lifes the better!!!!
85 brucey-babe (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:08 pm Report abuse
@82 axel arg

Please take time to download/read the following.
www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland/gettingitright.ndf

Axel, spend time reading and absorbing this info., and please realise that the crews on British ships of all periods were avid writers and gatherers of facts
86 Brasileiro (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
Closed to me....Why....maybe are white man.....may be a black man.......may be a Salem Citizens...... Stanley is Salem or not? “Lobisomens e Bruxas são algo normal”. Vocês são de Brunswick?”
87 gustbury (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:17 pm Report abuse
Falklands a country? hahahahaha if it's just a village!! A village usurped in 1833 for a pirates!!
88 Brasileiro (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
My friend argentinian........please..... tem uma frase em “The Last Mohicans”.......please can see are that”.............acho que é isso
89 Malvinense 1833 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
Currently, on the mainland, islanders to living here, children and grandchildren of islanders who formed their families here.
It is ridiculous not to dialogue to find a solution and all we win.
90 Brasileiro (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
Do you can see the vídeo music?
91 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:26 pm Report abuse
“This close affinity with Britain and loyalty to the Crown remains today – perhaps not entirely fashionable to the rest of the modern world but a genuine element of our national identity”

Indeed. I wonder what would happen if Britain itself abandoned the “Crown” and had an elected head of state??

Btw doesn't Gilbert House look like a bungalow. I imagine most of the Brits on the forum (maybe Argies too, I admit I don't know your architecture so well) has a friend or relative with a house that looks a bit like it =)
92 Brasileiro (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcfm9iWogBE
YES........BRasil and ARgentina
93 dab14763 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:31 pm Report abuse
“Beside, nobody can deny about the effective and permanent occupation by spain over the soledad island, in that case, the united provinces had right to occupy unless that island, after it declared it's independence.”

Spain's occupation was limited to Port Louis, which is only a small part of Soledad. And Spain did not relinquish any of its rights to the United Provinces when it left.
94 Brasileiro (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
I dont know in englisee,,,,,,you dont know in america.......we are strangers! Or no?
95 ynsere (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:36 pm Report abuse
Joe Bloggs @ 69
Joe, do you realise how fortunate you are, being allowed to choose between Falkland Islander and British? If you'd been a Patagonian Amerindian, you'd have been forced to be Argentine. The nationality responsible for the widespread murder and exploitation of your people. No alternatives. But a second-rate Argentine citizen in economic and educational terms.
96 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:38 pm Report abuse
79 Joe Bloggs

Sorry to hear that your children are unwell. Try and have a good New Year. Wishing you and your family all the best

Peace and Love

from Nottingham, UK
97 Musky (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
@93 dab
Spain opened an embassy on the island in 1865. It recognised british sovereignty before it recognised argentine independence.
98 Brasileiro (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
Joe you a good person. But your camarades, not.......Joe América forever....englisees laws no go in América!
99 Terence Hill (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:44 pm Report abuse
7 malen
16 dab14763

They expelled some trespassers in a garrison, after warning Argentina against encroachments in 1829. By the people you mean the four people who voluntarily left. Of which two may have been Argentinean. Is there anymore myths you'd like me to dispel?

18 Nostrolldamus The 5th

Wasn't it the British i.e. Scotland that brought in the first modern version of a national compulsory system of education(Education Act of 1633).

Didn't they also have the earliest public library in England, is believed to be the London Guildhall; which was established in 1425.
100 Britworker (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
Why do Argenines cling to the past, like history refelcts well on them. It doesn't reflect well on them, they bound from one disastrous failure to another. Ronald Reagan pleading with Baroness Thatcher not to humiliate you, like you need any help with that. And March 2013, the Falkland Islanders will humiliate you again on the world stage, by telling you they want nothing whatsoever to do with you.
How difficult will be it be for you to go whinging to the UN after March 2013. One by one, your so called friends are going to be telling you this year to accept reality and to stop living in the past and clinging to dreams that will never come true. Your country is in a horrendous mess, not just a matter of debt, but corruption, bad governance and hyper-inflation.

The only way you are going to get your clammy hands on those islands is to fight for them, but your military is nearly 50 years out of date and rusting. I wonder if Obama will be pleading with us not to humiliate you again.
That's a matter for you!
101 slattzzz (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
Good to see bentoverdover and nostril4 anus back on making complete cocks of themselves. Bent over a ex matelot no chance traitor or spy for rgenweener behaps not very good though and nostril4anus remind as where you live again no where near rgenweener is it? Sweden perhaps?
102 dab14763 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
Musky,

That would be a consulate, not an embassy. Embassies are opened in the capitals of sovereign states.

Terence Hill,

I do know the people weren't expelled.
103 Malvinense 1833 (#) Dec 29th, 2012 - 11:58 pm Report abuse
“The period 1820 to 1833 is also complex and further complicated by the tendency to weave nationalist myths around the basic narrative.” The full history please.
Leona Roberts:
you history, is our history too.
www.loc.gov/resource/g5352c.lh000139/
104 Brasileiro (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 12:06 am Report abuse
Go to America , Joe, You are not englisee, you are us
105 Britworker (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 12:06 am Report abuse
@103
Why don't you reflect on more recent history, when you left your teenage conscripts to starve and freeze to death in 1982 for weeks and weeks when you lost the war and it was left to the islanders and the British soldiers to feed and cloth them and keep them alive until you could be bothered to collect them.
What does that say about you as a people? Absoluely disgusting!
106 Brasileiro (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 12:12 am Report abuse
América, America, América, America, América, America, América!!!! Our place!! Join us Joe!!!
107 andy65 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 01:15 am Report abuse
I wonder how Argentines could account for this by a young Argentine conscript

www.speroforum.com/a/KVLHHSNLGU18/70607-Argentine-veteran-of-Falklands-War-remembers-horrifying-antisemitism
108 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 01:17 am Report abuse
Are you basing your answer on the dazzling military Victories of the Argentine Armed Forces?

Tell me again, how many wars has Argentina won?

hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha!!!!!!!

Clown

Superclown,loser: We still have the regimental brtis flags,Victory over the pirates brits,1806/1807
AHAHAHAHAHAA british invaders,defeated at the Buenos Aires

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnijIboNkR0
AHAhahaah what loser are these brits,before they were fighting for India,Canada,etc,now a small useless island with useless people,helped with uncle sam,lost 300 dead,8 ship sunks,16 ships put out,800 wounded,500 suicides,defeated with WWII techno..ahahah what a clowns this brits..LOSERS!!
109 Brasileiro (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 01:31 am Report abuse
War is nothing!
110 andy65 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 01:38 am Report abuse
@Malvinero1 And the flag flying over Stanyly Is ??? you greaceball a looser just like your leader Crissy botox Kirchner Peron.
111 Anbar (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 02:32 am Report abuse
Nostrodidimus is so naive its almost cute. l-)
112 Faulconbridge (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 03:38 am Report abuse
'Argentines decided how their history reads, not you.'

Ah. You mean: never mind the truth. Print the legend.
113 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 03:47 am Report abuse
@111 Anbar

Yes he does seem to get flustered and go off the deep end. All his educated and eloquent use of English disappears as soon as he tries to state any facts or argue a point.

I was especially amused by his verbal gymnastics as he sought to differentiate between colonists and immigrants and colonial invasions and wars over territory.

Britain doesn't deny her history, hence the reason it is so easy to find all the dirty laundry.
114 José Malvinero (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 04:03 am Report abuse
They may invent the craziest stories and lying, but: THE MALVINAS ISLANDS WERE, ARE AND WILL BE ARGENTINAS!:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQrSTkSJla8
115 Raul (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 04:14 am Report abuse
The principle of self-determination does not apply to the Question of the Malvinas Islands.


The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Therefore, the possibility remains of the principle of self-determination, as its exercise by the islanders, cause the “disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that Resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. ”

In the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity by referring to the interests and NOT the wishes of the population of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX), 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41 / 40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and reaffirm resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the UK) “to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the situation, in order to find a peaceful solution to the problem, with due regard to the provisions and objectives of the UN Charter and Resolution 1514, and the interests of the people of the Malvinas Islands. ”

Since 2004 and under a process of revitalization of the General Assembly, the Argentine government that the Malvinas Islands Question permanently on the agenda and in the paper by the Bureau of the General Assembly.
116 XAVIERV (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 04:30 am Report abuse
I have a question .. What should a rich when you move to a slum? 1) Adapting to the neighboring barbarians? 2) rude neighbors try to behave civilly or 3) return to their neighborhood which should never have left?
117 Santa Fe (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:08 am Report abuse
115... Your great mate Mr Moon says it does jajajajaja remember about a month ago, oh how the brainwashed trolls forget jajajajajaj
118 Raven (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:34 am Report abuse
@27 Nostroll

''The British are monolingual, which also means they are monointellectual.''

Wrong answer, lose five points.

I'm sure the Welsh speakers, Manx speakers, Celtic speakers etc will disagree with you.

and for all the Malvinistas. If your claim upon the Falkland Islands is so convincing, then why have your Government not taken this to the ICJ?
119 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:20 am Report abuse
@115 Raul

It never cease to amaze me that people like you can be told the truth again and again and again and then you believe that we will be as gullible as you in being told what to believe.

Self determination does indeed apply to the Falkland Islands. You can quote all the resolutions you want, but I quote the UN Charter which prevails over all other agreements or resolutions:

Chapter 1, Article 1, part 2 “respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples”.

The UN has NEVER EVER renounced this right.

Also, please list every inhabitant that was “expelled” in 1833. Argentina can lie all it wants but historical documents proves this a lie. It does not help Argentina's case that it perpetuates lies and keeps getting proven wrong.

Also the existence of the Islands does not affect Argentina's “national unity and territorial integrity” anymore than the existence of Uruguay does. Argentina's territory is not torn asunder nor threatened by the Island's existence.

Paragraph 6 of GA Resolution 1514 cannot be used to justify territorial claims but to ensure acts of self-determination occur within the established boundaries of colonies, rather than within sub-national regions. Also, the use of the word 'attempt' signifies future action not used for territorial redress for past action. But this resolution is still subordinate to the UN Charter.

Even in your own words, you cannot ignore the interests of the Islanders. Why are their interests served being part of Argentina. They are not.

Just because the UN recognises that a dispute exists does not mean that it is on Argentina's side. Argentina can have this dispute discussed ad nauseam by the General Assembly or any committee it wants. That does not mean that Argentina is right.

You repeat facts but you don't even understand what they mean.
120 Domingo (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:24 am Report abuse
@115 Raul. The principle of self-determination does apply to the Question of the Falkland/Malvinas Islands because the Islanders were subject to rule by British colonial government & thus listed as a UN Non-Self-Governing Territory under UN Charter Chapter IX Article 73 entitled Declaration regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories

Strictly, the UN Charter issue is not a question of sovereignty, rather a question of removing colonial rule from the Islanders through the process of self-determination

Specifically both Argentina & Britain must support this change under UN treaty obligation; furthermore Argentina is obligated to support the British implementation of Article 73 via Resolution 1514 as Argentina voted for 1514 & is a UN Treaty signatory. In accordance with the Declaration the British government as the Administrating Country must develop self-government by transfer of all powers to the people of the Islands & the British government must report annually to the UN Special Committee on Decolonization who's terms of reference are defined in resolution 1654 as to examine the application of the Declaration, to make suggestions & recommendations on the progress & extent of the implementation of the Declaration, & to report to the General Assembly

With respect to the question of territorial integrity, the effect of the UN Charter is not retrospective & does not apply to disputes before 24 October 1945 thus in terms of the UN treaty resolution 1514 applies to British interests since Great Britain exercised sovereignty on the Falkland Islands/Malvinas at its inception thus Britain could object that the self-determination of the Islanders would disrupt British territorial integrity & national unity

The existence of a sovereignty dispute was noted in resolution 2065 & both Argentine & British governments were invited to find a peaceful solution by the UN General Assembly; Argentina chose war in 1982 & resolutions 1514/2065 have remained unresolved because of this
121 Tabutos (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:33 am Report abuse
@115 “The principle of self-determination does not apply to the Question of the Malvinas Islands”

its applies to every person on the planet whos country has joined the UN

I dont blame you for your incorrectness and ignorance you our mutual history, i blame your present and past government for there continued Brain Washing of young children

Telling children something is there's when it is obviously not despicable. only in Argentina lol
122 HansNiesund (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:02 am Report abuse
@115

Raul, thank goodness you've got here. I'd almost forgotten the long list of UN resolutions violated by Argentina in 1982 and since.

I know it may come as a shock to you to learn this, but the UN has NEVER supported the Argentine claim to the Falklands. All it has ever supported, unlike Argentina itself, is a peaceful resolution to the dispute.

Meanwhile, Argentine attempts to introduce the question of sovereignity into UN resolutions, and to limit the principle of self-determination have all been voted down, despite the support you have managed to obtain from such beacons of enlightenment as Iran, North Korea, Belarus and the various other kleptocracies and dictatorships which have rallied to your flag.

I wonder why that is?
123 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:04 am Report abuse
115 Raul
“The principle of self-determination does not apply to the Question of the Malvinas Islands”

Nice to see you getting it wrong along with all the rest of the Argentine posters!!!! wow!! you guys really do stick together don't ya??

Just to let you know, because, by that statement, you have not been keeping up with current events........... Self - determination is the corner stone of the UN, it's one of the building blocks, to be in the UN means to recognise this, and who has made a big song and dance about being part of the Security Council this year??????? Argentina!!!!!

You would do well to read what Domingo has said at 120 and what Tabutos has said at 121 before you dig yourself any deeper.
124 Brit Bob (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:15 am Report abuse
@121 'Brainwashing'

Go check the true history of the Falklands : www.falklandhistory.org/

If you keep believeing in Argentine government facts perhaps you also believe in INDEC's inflation statistics? - the bery reason that IMF Red Card is coming!

Perhaps sometimes you actually stop and think 'why is Argentina down in 102nd place in the World's Corrupt Nations Index?' cpi.transparency.org/
and
'Why are the American's seizing our ships/property?' www.atfa.org/

The right to self determination under the UN Charter DOES apply to the Falkland Islanders - Ban Ki-Moon confirmed this last month. LOL.
125 Tabutos (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:23 am Report abuse
@124 they teach this song to there school children www.youtube.com/watch?v=63JAGfLxQS8
126 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:24 am Report abuse
Just to show everyone who is interested, and to REMIND the la Campora posters on here who seem to have VERY short memories...... Please just follow the link below.

en.mercopress.com/2012/11/12/ban-ki-moon-and-colonialism-people-should-be-able-to-decide-their-own-future

Everyone happy??? Good, right, onward then!!

Do you really think that Manchester City have a shot at the title this year? Or do you think that that United will win......again ( yawn )???
127 Tabutos (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:25 am Report abuse
or a better one www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzWLQmSaw_c
128 Shed-time (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:32 am Report abuse
Why does Tobias always assume that the British are monolingual? There is a difference between not wanting to learn spanish, and learning a useful language that people who aren't trying to shaft you speak.Not speaking spanish, the language of the poor, is not the same as being monolingual.

The rest of the monolingual = monointellectual bollox is just that, utter bollox.
129 andy65 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
A reminder of what Mr Banki Moon did say-ofcourse this is for our Argentine friends who have difficulty not just with history but fact also.

en.mercopress.com/2012/11/12/ban-ki-moon-and-colonialism-people-should-be-able-to-decide-their-own-future
130 ElaineB (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
@128. I have had that discussion with him before. It is not true but he has little life experience and a very narrow view of life.

To be honest, I doubt he is Argentine. The way he behaves is nothing like any Argentine I know, the way he speaks is not Argentine, his references are not Argentine.
131 Shed-time (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
@130 I'd agree insofar as he seems not to be argentine. For all his foibles he does seem motivated in his desire to speak 'the common tongue' and to a fault, as his choice of words are often antiquated. If there is one thing science could suggest about the communal argentine character trait, it's that it does not in any way lead to 'a state of motivation'.

My honest guess is that he's from somewhere in asia where they desire english skills above all other things. He's simply using this as some kind of english club.
132 ElaineB (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
@131 Maybe. He has shockingly limited knowledge of the country he claims is his.
133 Musky (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 01:59 pm Report abuse
@125 T
Sad sad theme, built on falsehoods fed to your nation!

This is the kind of tune we brits go for...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOagvfp5oIk
It is truthful to its core and shows our spirit.. stiff upper lip what what!
134 Clyde15 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
#92
Does anyone know what Brasileiro is on about ?
What has the film of Last of the Mohicans got to do with anything here.
#108
Thank you for correcting out twisted view of the Falklands war.
In the intervening years we had forgotten it was a major triumph for your country. You gave us a good hard kicking and graciously allowed us stop fighting before we were annihilated by your heroic forces.
You even forced us to pay the fares of your victorious army back to Argentina.
I feel totally humble in the presence of such nobility and greatness.
Your rousing songs and videos of your successful war put us to shame - we have nothing to compare with them.
Your heart must be swelling with pride when you think of your countries achievements in military matters.
To mount an invasion against a small, virtually undefended group of islands must rank level with the D-Day landings, etc, etc.
135 Raul (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
127 Tabutos

Excellent your link!!

It really is very good and strengthens us in this fight for the recovery of our Malvinas Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich.
Never forget that this claim is supported by all Latin American nations and the rest of the world who have suffered racism, colonialism and imperialism English.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzWLQmSaw_c

Néstor and Cristina Kirchner has restored dignity and pride of being Argentine and Latin American to always consider how well our constitution defends our rights in the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations in the speech of June 14, 2012 compared to the English aggression.

“La Nacion Argentina ratifies its legitimate and sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the corresponding maritime and insular areas, being part of the national territory. Recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty , respecting the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law are a permanent and unwavering goal of the Argentine people. ”

CONSTITUTION ARGENTINA, Prime transitional provision

Face1354@hotmail.com
136 M's Bulldog (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
@134 Clyde
Fantastic response to the childish Malvinero.

He constantly replays the Falklands war with his airfix toys, in his mummy's basement, and also in between cracking one off, where their “heroes” win.
137 Shed-time (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
@135 You sound just like a 1930's German exclaiming their jubilance at the Nazi's desire to annex Austria.

Well done you.
138 ElaineB (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
@135 It does not matter what your government tells you to think, who supports you (though most of SoAm is just paying lip service to your mentally unstable President), the Falklands will never be Argentine. Never. Ever. No matter what you wish or hope for it. will. never. happen.

I was on a visit to Washington D C recently and, trust me, CFKC has done nothing to make your country anything but a laughing stock.
139 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
I'm back after a terrible ordeal with child number 1 and, what I guess is, the Norovirus. Wouldn't wish it on my enemy.

I don't know what the hell Brasileiro and one or two others are on but I see in my absence they urged me to become part of America and ditch England/ Britain. Strange.

Also I note that Nozzy didn't admit his ethnic origin and you all gave him a bit of stick over that. Well done.

We haven't heard from our mysterious fake, the great naval commander RN retired for a while. He had his pathetic little dig at the front cover of the booklet and then disappeared; presumably back to the Admiralty for a high-level mission of some kind. And speaking of the great naval commander, where is his shadow and la Campora chum, Think?
140 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
He constantly replays the Falklands war with his airfix toys, in his mummy's basement, and also in between cracking one off, where their “heroes” win.
Still useles brits,you lost 300 deads,and 800 wounded...For nothing LOSER! MALVINAS ARGENTINAS,down with the brits pirates prick! I hate anything british!The SCUM of the world!!2,6 million unemployed,1,1 trillion public debt...AHAHAHAHHA poor deluded useless pirates..
141 Shed-time (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
@138 I personally liked it when everyone laughed at KFC when she said she got £520mil from a successful career in law, without a law degree.

It could only have got worse if they'd have gathered around her and started spitting, jeering and pointing.
142 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
Oh Malvi, I thought we'd lost you forever a while back and then you re-appear from nowhere, larger than life and making less sense than ever. You go boy! Go for gold. Everyone deserves an equal chance. Even lunatics like you.
143 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
@139 Time Waster.
144 ElaineB (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
@139 Awww, it sounds terrible. I am in England at the moment and it is rife here. I suspect it is only a matter of time before someone brings it into the house, or I inadvertently pick it up when I am out socialising. : (
145 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
144

I've been hearing all about how bad it is in England and with everyone arriving back here in the last few weeks from the UK for their summer holidays I am guessing that's where our two got it from. Number 2 child got it exactly seven days before number 1 child. Last night was not a good night.

I hope you don't get it. Friends in Surrey told us about seeing a woman in the emergency stopping lane of the eastbound M25 leaning up against her car, holding her skirt up and in the pouring rain very clearly (for about 500 cars per minute to witness) suffering from the effects of norovirus. Gross! Poor person. We just finished reading that description and then heard child number 1 rushing into the loo. Oh what a night.
146 Monkeymagic (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
@135

You can continue to repeat your governments PROPOGANDA it doesn't make true.

1) No territory was “usurped”
2) No civilians were forcibly evicted
3) No civilians were refused the right to return
4) Argentinas territorial integrity wasn't disrupted, firstly as the nearest territory under the UP was 1000 miles away, secondly Argentina didn't exist at the time.
5) the UN resolutions you continue to quote are firstly non-binding and secondly suggest both sides “talk” but bear in my the rights of the islanders and the principle of self determination.

So, Argentina can claim sovereignty all you like...it's complete bollocks.

Falklands are what the Islanders want them to be...which as of today is a British Overseas Territory. tomorrow they can choose Independence, full integration as a British state or even a state of the Argentine Republic.

For gods sake man, use some critical thinking on your own arguments and see their huge flaws.
147 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 05:14 pm Report abuse
143
Ah, commander! I didn't notice you there for a moment. Funny really because that in itself adds more to my theory that you are no doubt vertically challenged but that's another issue.

Anyway, where are my manners? Thanks so much for making the time from your no-doubt busy and critically important schedule to come on Mercopress. I trust all is quiet at the Admiralty. With someone of your ilk in control I'm sure the UK can sleep safely.

I was just wondering what progress, if any, you've managed to make with this whole Falklands nonsense. Have you sorted out that referendum question yet? Saved a damned embarrassment, have you? Quick phone call to our Governor? Or maybe you can go higher than that? BOT desk at FCO perhaps? Who knows, maybe even Downing St? A man of your calibre I mean.

BTW, I see you've found another person who is actually in agreement (ever-so-slightly) with something you say. We all know about Think and now you've made a little alliance with Nozzy. Quite ironic really. The only two people out of all the posters on Mercopress who have some slither of agreement with you but where it counts most- the Falklands- they both disagree with you.

Think thinks the islands belong to Argentina.
Nozzy thinks they belong to the Falkland Islanders
You think they belong to the UK and the Falkland Islanders should have no say in any of it.

Dear oh dear, some work to do there commander.

I'll let you get back to your mission now. Sorry for wasting your valuable time.
148 Terence Hill (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
135 Raul

What principles of international law are you relying on? The last time I looked all the international law came down on the UK's side of the fence. So this should be very interesting. Of course there will be no response because its a complete fiction.
149 Shed-time (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
@148 any discussion of actual reality makes Raul somewhat confused.
150 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
” 66 Joe Bloggs (#)
Dec 27th, 2012 - 09:22 am
.......
The best advice is not to waste any time on him”.

Waster
151 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
150
The guy when I was at Duntroon all those years ago was very short also. Are you sure it wasn't you? Have a Long Look through your records and double-check. Early 80s. Nobody liked him either so I just thought...
152 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 05:29 pm Report abuse
140 Malvinero1

I see that the tranquilisers have worn off again.

By the way, how is it that weekend release working out for you at the funny farm?
153 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
150

Good advice for our guest from Australia too. I on the other hand am a bit more closely connected to all of this than Anglotino so excuse me if I continue sir.

Anyhow, you didn't answer my questions. Have you thwarted a global embarrassment and had the referendum question changed? Maybe you've had it stopped.

Are you over 5' 7”? Just curious.
154 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
@153 Waster.

No, No, No and Yes. 16 questions left.
155 commonsparrow (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
They want to be English. There is nothing Argentine about those islands.
156 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
154
I'll ask you as many questions as I like.

155
I don't know many Falkland Islanders who wish to be English but if you're not from the UK I'll forgive you for that error; it is surely confusing for somneone who hasn't been brought up in such a system. You'd be better to say we wish to be British. Which is good really because that is what we are.
157 commonsparrow (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
Yes, 155, I'm not from the UK, I stand corrected.
158 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
157
That's quite undestandable then. It can be extremely confusing.
159 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
158 Joe Bloggs

Don't worry too much about it matey. It's the season, this thing about “good will to all men” really confuses the La Campora posters.

They just don't know what else to do with all their built up hate and bile....... It must be hard for them at this time of year.
160 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
159 tooldtodieyoung

Cheers mate. I just like to make sure everyone realises that something smells beneath the posts of the commander.

Seasons Greetings to you my friend.
161 Anbar (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
“he specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. ”

Only one problem with that statement: it isn't factual, or even close to it.

Other than that, well done, have a cookie.

It might be best never to represent yourself at court though..... ¬_¬

-------

Oh lookie, Mr Make-Believe DovoeOver is back.

HipHipHooray!

Does anybody else want to play Sock-Puppet Bingo?... pretty sure we're close to a full house now.
162 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
@135 Wow Raul thanks for that.

Even the Argentine Constitution recognises the rights of self determination:
“according to the principles of international law”.

Remember now UN Charter trumps any of those multiple resolutions you are so fond of quoting.

I hope I'm not being a time waster in pointing his out multiple times Raul (or Doveoverdover).
163 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
@156 Oh dearie me. And there was I thinking it was a camp party game from your own long distant childhood. Just goes to show, one can't humour the humourless, as 161 so clearly also demonstrates.
164 GFace (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
@162, the problem there, mate, is that the insist that inhabitants of the Islands are untermensch or the latin equivalent. Not worthy of rights even to vote on their own status no more then they were when their heroes of the Dirty War illegally imprisonsed them, threatened to ethically cleanse them and were even ready to explicitly use them as human shields in the end in Stanley as their defeat grew beyond inevitable. Unapologetic clueless narcissistic and tone deaf nostalgia for fascism-in-the-raw. Attitudes like this make me truly sorry for people like Simon and even Tobias who claims to oppose the invasion and continued claims (though I have no evidence that he voices it in his own home town).
165 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
162

An Aussie I believe you indicated. It's nice to see you on here. Do you have some sort of connection (work, family or friends) with the Falklands or are you just interested? Also, how about your age? Let me see. Did you grow up with Sonny Hamond and his loveable friend or was it Plucka Duck and co? Or maybe you're younger than both but my guess is Plucka. Re-runs don't count.
166 Conqueror (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
@68 Don't encourage the twonk. Didn't you read what he typed? “Two British invasions”. But Britain has NEVER invaded argieland. Had we done so, the shite heap probably wouldn't exist!
@71 Just goes to prove the lack of intelligence of “the rest of the world”. How sorry I feel for your family. Could they not forge documents from a decent country? Problem solved now, though. Pigs don't need birth certificates.
@73 You mean, destroyed.
@75 What a shame. They could have chosen so many better places. Afghanistan, Belarus, Cambodia, Djibouti, Ghana, Haiti, Iran, Mongolia, so many alternatives.
@82 More pointless drivel. And the culprit? Alex_arse. Piss of back to playing with the kiddies in your school. But watch out for their parents. What you do is a crime, you know.
@84 Missile LatAm. Make our lives better!
@87 Another missile. Expense, expense, expense!
@89 Go for a swim. Don't forget to take an anvil.
@91 Crossed fingers. Going to get rid of you, ladyboy. Goodbye, Scatland.
@104 America? South America. Shite in a sieve.
@108 Stolen. Quelle surprise!
@114 You need a shrink. Badly!
@115 REPORTED. AGAIN! For wasting everyone's time with demonstrable lies. For repeating the same comment yet again. For argie propaganda. A further request for this “individual” to be banned.
@116 Shoot! Until there are no difficult neighbours.
@119, 120 Please don't encourage “the thing”. It doesn't even have the brain to vary the words. Have reported and requested a ban for “the thing”. Please do the same.
@121 Correction. It applies to every person on the planet.
@135 ”La Nacion(?) Argieland ratifies its overwhelming urge to be destroyed and for 97% (white) of its population to be reduced to radioactive dust.”
@140 That's 255 British servicemen and 3 Falklanders killed. 775 wounded. Can't even get that right. On the good side, 649 dead argies. 1,657 wounded, 11,313 prisoners............FOR NOTHING, LOSER! Who got kicked off OUR Islands? Argie LOSERS!
167 Tabutos (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
135 Raul

missing the point that appears to be a child cartoon in regards to the issue Argentina has with our Falklands.

Aimed at Children i find it sickening. if that is not Brainwashing i don't know what it is. Argentina is a messed up near fascist state. Full Stop.
168 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
I have never guffawed so earnestly in my nearly 12 months' presence here. The tragicomic balarney written about me was so ridibund to only be topped by the irrepressibly uninformed and discoursive nonsense about Argentina.

And they still talk about Argentina's image in the UK as if anyone gave a damn about the UK's view of Argentina. Like they think it actually matters or something.
169 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
168

Nozzy, what's your ethnic origin?
170 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
My ethnic origin is unlike yours.
171 Conqueror (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
@140 Who's “government” didn't want them? Who's country wouldn't send transport to take the DEFEATED tosspots “home”? And, just so you know, I hate argie scum. 41 million war criminals. When we sent the argie “things” toward their cesspit, why didn't we throw the lot overboard after we'd got them halfway? We won't make that mistake again!
@143 Did you go to sea? Are you here because turds float? The usual approach of a Brit to a turd is to beat it to death. Where do you hide?
@150 Dead turd sliding. Wow, you stink! Laxative required. Then we can flush you away!
172 andy65 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The, With the bollocks you talk you must be a sad sexless individual. Iv'e never seen such crap written by anyone,do you actually believe what you write and does it come naturally?
173 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
@172

You British live in a bubble where you think you are the best, and always on the right side of history, and have never fucked up. Of course anything I say will fit “your description”.

I make no worries about it. I live in the real world, not in the monolingual world you anglo-saxons dwell where all you read and listen is self-adulation, and preening.

I don't feel like bursting your bubble today, so I will generally refrain from posting current event links that show how disastrous your real condition as a country is.
174 Shed-time (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
@173. Technically however, the British are the best.

Sorry to break this to you.
175 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
I thank you were much to the pro brits malvinistas and antiargentines,for your “inteligents” and profound”,material,wrote in this space.So for the brits,pro war,antiargentine,I wish you all a VERY BAD 2013! I hope yopu people a very miserable next year!
And thank you again,probrits,antiargentines..I LOVED your ignorance,stupidity,insult,and foremost your wasted time for the nonsense,idiotic lunacy...
Thanks again, for making me laugh...That is the reason uk is a DECADENT useless country...
And last but not least: MALVINAS ARGENTINAS! That is the future,useless criminals and pirates!
176 Islander1 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
Hey Malvinero - British Falklands doing very well - 3 cruiseliners in port today with over 3000 tourists ashore spending lots of money here - 2000
here on 3 ships last week and more due next week - thought this was NOT going to happen according to your masters?

Flight arrived on schedule yesterday from Chile - complete with official Chilean Govt Export Documents on the freight - addressed to
-The Govt of the Falkland Islands (U.K.) - happens every week.

If UK such a useless decadent country - why does your Defence Minister not launch another invasion? After all he is on public record stating clearly that it is only the Britsh forces here that prevent Argenina from taking the Islands.
177 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
@174

:::blooop::: (INSIDE)

You are the best, you are.

:::bloop:::: (BACK OUTSIDE)
178 Santa Fe (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
177... You know it makes sense Rodney good lad
179 Shed-time (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
@177 You are correct, we are. That's why you're learning our language, the 'common tongue' and that's why you're desperate to live here. To be honest, beyond your use of this forum as an english corner, you don't seem too bad a chap really. Just a bit misguided about a few things.

That's the fault of the educational system there, and not your own.
180 Monkeymagic (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
Raul/tabutos

Have you noticed that your brainwashing childish cartoon on circles the Falklands in their make-believe propaganda to children.

Why have they not circled South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands in the “New Argentina”?

Is it because they don't even believe that portion of the doctrine themselves?

Seems that even propaganda to children is crap in Argentina.
181 cornishair (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
I'am thinking Nostrolldamus ethnic origins may be “Anglo” i mean it would explain his hatedread of the british, living in a culture that seems to blame the Britishv for everything.
182 Steve-33-uk (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
Latest FI news...

'US may have accidentally helped to start Falklands war by encouraging Argentinians to invade islands, admits ex-CIA chief'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254755/US-accidentally-helped-start-Falklands-war-encouraging-Argentinians-invade-island-admits-ex-CIA-chief.html

'Ronan Fanning : Haughey's Brit bashing on Falklands cost us dear'
www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/ronan-fanning-haugheys-brit-bashing-on-falklands-cost-us-dear-3338705.html

'The ambassador who was a victim - Anthony Williams represented London in Buenos Aires and recommended that did not look to Argentina “as a banana republic”'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1541567-el-embajador-que-se-fue-como-victima
Read some of the comments in the last one, brilliant.
183 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
There have been many common tongues, and yours is not the last. To be honest English here doens't give you much of an advantage, why so few Argentines really speak it well, it is not that necessary. This is not Europe where countries are the size of my backyard, or Asia, where different languages within countries have forced a sort of lingua-franca. In South America, Argentina in particualar since we don't depend on world trade for much of anything, learning languages is more a pursuit... but it can bring you significantly higher earnings for each additional language. I study them to keep my enemies close.

:::blooop::: (INSIDE)

I know. Like you are some sort of Gods or something

:::blooop::: (BACK OUTSIDE)

poor deluded oafs lol
184 andy65 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The, Seriously your a prat a nutter you need help.
185 Gordo1 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
This publication should be translated into the Argentine “argot” (they don't understand Spanish too well!) and sent to every household in that country so that the true history of the Falklands archipelago be known to the population.
186 Shed-time (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
@183 Speaking English provides a lot of South Americans with the chance to leave South America and move to countries where endemic corruption and educational poverty are a minor thing. It's about improving the lives of their offspring.

However, some choose to remain in South America and wear brown shirts saluting statues of Nestor and Chavez.
187 Gordo1 (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
I see the myth of the two alleged British invasions of Argentina has surfaced again.

At the beginning of the nineteenth century Buenos Aires was a colonial city of the Spanish Empire. British troops did attempt on two occasions to take Bs As because, at the time, a war between Britain and Spain was being conducted.

At both attempts the British troops were repulsed by the citizens of Bs As, not the Spanish colonial army. The lack of support of the Spanish army led eventually to the “primer grito de independence”.
188 GFace (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 10:19 pm Report abuse
@175, “THE SUDETENLAND IS GERMAN!” We hear that all the time in Germany. They teach it in schools, politicians yell it to please the crowds, they rant on and on about it in the UN. Oh yes, it pushes the boundaries of Goodwins Law. It even does a pretty good tango with the Cinderella Test. There is one problem. They don't. The Germans broke ~their~ glass slipper. They went through de-nazification. They will never ask for the 1942 boundaries again. The UK has come to terms with its colonialist past shed a majority of the pink in the map with the remaining , “hangers on” are there because the insist on being part of the UK. The US has come to terms with the consequences of Manifest Destiny and continues to take stock of its poorer cold war choices. Meanwhile people like you do exactly as I said, embrace the ill gotten gains of fascism with no remorse or introspection. If anything, BTW, Tobias, it is Argentina that still lives in a bubble of alternative reality where the Junta was a humanitarian and liberating saviors against at best, the false consciousness of the Malviners loving under the yoke of Rex Hunt, at worse vermin to the cleansed from Greater Argentina, never really ruled from Buenos Ares but God have it to them so they can do what they want. And we aren't even going to get started with the War on the Desert. (Ironically one of the few points where I support the Kirchnerists is where they have chosen to overlook amnesty for the Junta, if only they were truly honest in their efforts to completely de-Galterize de-Perinize and de-Juntaize Argentina.)
189 Xect (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
Seems this thread is overloaded with nonsense.

We have the king of copying and pasting, RAUL who doesn't understand what he posts. He's been doing this for years and if he actually understood what he was posting he would edit it on the outcome of what Ban Ki Moon has said is the UN's stance.

We have Malv the poor boy who hasn't grasped English in the slightest with comments like; 'That is the reason uk is a DECADENT useless country...' Haha what a utter muppet, trying to be clever and failing as usual.

And we have good old Tobias in classical trolling mode. I thought you didn't enter these threads given your stance on them Tobias?

The facts are clear, the UN stands on the side of the people of the Falkland Islands and throw as much mud as you can at the UK, it's doing infinitely better than the failed state that is Argentina.

So all in all, nothing changes, noting will change and life goes on.
190 GFace (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
(and I apologize for my typos but the gist of my method should be clear.)
191 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:07 pm Report abuse
183 Tito The clown troll

Back for your “Comedy Hour” I see.... Yes, yes, yes... I know, we can all write big words and make up for our woeful lack of interlect by using long words.... before you disappear up your own 'arris, there just a couple of things that you have got DEAD wrong:-

“You British live in a bubble where you think you are the best, and always on the right side of history, and have never fucked up”

Actually, here in British schools, we are taught ALL Britsih history, the good, and the bad. You see, unlike Argentine “Education” we don't brain wash our kids, we teach them history “As it stands” not “How we would like it to be” or “How our government tells us it is”

I live in the real world, not in the monolingual world you anglo-saxons dwell where all you read and listen is self-adulation, and preening.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

and what passes for “The real world” in your sad little corner of it then? Planet KFC??? No doubt you will not answer that one, just like you are not answering friend Joe Bloggs, no doubt you are about to play the “victim” card.........again.. Oh boo hoo, the whole world is against me, poor widdle me...... Or is this just something that “I don't discuss”?
192 ElaineB (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
Yeah, TTT is not Argentine. He is just a young boy with a huge inferiority complex and a social outcast looking for a reason to exist.

Somewhat sad, really. I feel great pity for him and hope he finds something positive in his life soon. All that hatred is a cancer.
193 Pete Bog (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
@115
“with due regard to the provisions and objectives of the UN Charter and Resolution 1514,”

“Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. ””

You need some help with this Raul.

The UN resolutions (as you show) do not state 'according to the 6th paragraph of the UN charter' but 'the provisions and objectives'of the UN charter.

That includes all of the provisions of the UN Charter, not just one paragraph.

“by referring to the interests and NOT the wishes of the population of the islands”

So as I have asked before, what do YOU consider to be the 'interests of the Falkland Islanders?'
In my opinion the best interests are for them to be associated with the UK, who allow them democracy, whereas Argentina want to colonise the islanders (as they have become the indigenous species and some are related to the civilians from Vernet's settlement asked to stay by the British in 1833).

But if in doubt, ask someone who was born on the Islands as they have more right to comment on' their interests' than you or I.
194 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:30 pm Report abuse
192 ElaineB

oh no..... He's funny!!! watching him work himself into a frenzy just because he is incapable of looking outside of his otherwise dull existance... seeing him grapple with the fact that, after all that, he IS wrong. His racist, xenophobic, misinformed, ill-judged view of the world is pure comedy genius. it is... it truely is.

Here a little fact for you, if you know it already then I'll say sorry for repeating it but it has a parallel here I think:-

When people “Escape” or leave North Korea, they spend two weeks in a facility in the south to be brought up to speed with what is REALLY going on in the world, so that when they leave and go out and about in the south, the shock doesn't kill them.

Now, I don't know about you but Tito The Clown Troll / Nostrolldamus The 5th / whatever he calls himself, would be a prime candidate for this process, wouldn't you say???
195 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
You can't make this up, a lost, isolated soul talking about how some other person needs to be protected from the shock of all the supposed lies told to him... all this while he believes Argentina is North Korea!

This is exhibit A of the British mind. They are a trully a society that's taken a detour.
196 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
195 Tito The Clown Troll

So when are you going to answer the question that Joe Bloggs asked you?

Or are you going to ignore ( like always ) those difficult, troublesome questions???

P.S:- I can tell your getting all wound up, you start “Projecting” LOL

P.P.S :- When did I say that Argentina is North Korea??? Check your facts sweetheart, you've just f**ked yourself in public........AGAIN!!!
197 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
@165 Joe Bloggs

If I could PM you, I'd love to tell you all that.

Lest to say that I would love to pop over to the Falklands on my way to Colombia in July but won't have the time or money as I am returning to uni to study architecture.

Mind you, I always wanted to whistle with a gum leaf as a child.
198 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 11:57 pm Report abuse
I know you Brits are drilled from youth into believe everyone answers to you, but of course you are sadly mistaken and recent events have taught you that lesson the hard way.

But I answered question satisfactorily.

Just calm down everyone, all the animus against Argentina is eatiny away at your soul, and then at your brain.
199 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:05 am Report abuse
198 Tito The Clown Troll

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!!!

More “projecting” I see. I loved that bit where you said I was “a lost, isolated soul” Like you said “You can't make this up”

So Tell me Tito, did you find it difficult to make friends at school?

Did you see your dad beating your mum up regularly?

Or did you see your mum beating your dad regularly?

Did a much loved family pet die when you were young?

If you'd just like to answer those, then we will get started.....

Over to you.
200 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:15 am Report abuse
Oh boy, if what is written in this forum is to be interpreted as some sort of “projecting”, that would explain the passionate loathing of argies here by all the antis, wherever they hail from (all points in Europe, the UK, USA, South America, and even Oceania... i've seen them all).

No wonder you all talk in such degrading terms about argies, and especially a female argie called CFK.

No doubt you were all completely stood up by some argentine girl at some point, since it is common for northerers to come here to look for some genetic aesthetic improvement given the bleak and plutonian landscape of female beauty in Europe, the USA, and the rest of Latin America.

Now that's a moment of clarity. Many things have become clear now.
201 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:17 am Report abuse
plutonian....... Isn't that what Nuclear bombs are made from????
202 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:20 am Report abuse
197 Anglotino

That's the problem with this site; no PM facility. I'd give you my FB address but that would mean giving it to everyone and for practical reasons I can't do that.

An aboriginal politician in the 70's taught me how to whistle threw a gum leaf. Bloody hell, that brings back memories. I haven't thought about that in over 40 years at least.

We were in Australia earlier in the year but I forgot to try to show the kids how to do that. Number 2 child did have a go and get pretty good with a boomerang though. We rented a Holden Commodore and had a good look around.

Assuming you're from one of the big three states (geez, I've cocked up already if you're not), is it the one with the big pineapple, the big banana or the big worm? LOL! Australia loves its big things.
203 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:25 am Report abuse
202 Joe Bloggs

Ah Joe, There you are. Thought I'd missed you. Me and the family are going over to my mum's to see in the New Year over there. We won't be back until 02nd Jan 2013 so I would like to return the season's greetings and wish you and yours a Very Happy New Year.

I hope that all the little Joe Bloggs's get well soon

Peace and Love

From Nottingham
204 Anglotino (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:36 am Report abuse
@202 Joe

Melbourne born and bred though have done my share of working in London, Berlin and even Canada.

Love to chat more candidly, I've created a throw away email address:
anglotino311212@gmail.com

Currently at work (my luck) but will check it later.
205 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:40 am Report abuse
203 toooldtodieyoung

Have a nice night seeing in 2013. It's been truly moving reading your posts and feeling the support and love. I hope all is well in Nottingham.

All seems to be improving in the Bloggs household but we have cancelled our New Year's celebrations. Not fair on anyone else to have us there.

Warmest regards

the Bloggs family.
206 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:44 am Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The
No wonder you all talk in such degrading terms about argies, and especially a female argie called CFK.

None of us could give a rats arse about your dear lady Hitler Kirchner unfortunately to listen to some of the verbal diahrea that comes out of those botox lips reminds us of you,it's unfortunate that the botox queen wishes to live the dream of her thankfully dead husband Nazi Nestor,but as you do every time them lips part she makes an utter fool of her self it was wonderful to see when old Crissy was confronted by A REAL LAWYER at the G20 David Cameron where he cleaned her once and for all, there is plenty of footage that shows the old mutton dreased as lamb visably shaken muttering Spanish to a distingushed British Prime Minister it was wonderful to see her left standing with an old brown envolope absolutely wondeful you see nossy your dear lady is no match for a real diplomat she might be OK ranting on at uneducated Argentines but no match at the top table but that hopefully will be the end of old Crissy seeing that Aregentina hs dropped out ofthe G20.
207 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:50 am Report abuse
#192 And I hope you will get over your irrational hatred of Cristina in order to see the situation in a country you obviously have some affinity with in a more grown up way, without the blinkers of obsession...
208 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:51 am Report abuse
And you think we give rats arse about the UK? Ever thought that we behave the way we do with you and the rest of Europe and the USA because we have no respect for you (and not for no reason, you haven't earned that respect)
209 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:54 am Report abuse
204 Anglotino

Ah, so the big worm! Truly though, I love Melbourne and Victoria. It gets overlooked as a tourism destination but it's one of my favourites. I know Sydney Harbour and the Barrier Reef are hard to compete with but Melbourne is marvellous. The trams, St Kilda (Ackland St cakes!), the MCG, the Dandenongs, Puffing Billy, the Mornington Peninsula and the Yellow Peril, NOT!

Have they fixed that big ferris wheel in the city yet? It was just sitting there half undone when we were there.

I'll think about the email option but you'll understand if I don't take it up.
210 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:58 am Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The, Same old same old and my answer is

ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM

Involved in more disputes and arguments around the world than any other country
I WONDER WHY
211 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:05 am Report abuse
Because the rest of the world refuses to accept we have a right to our sovereignty. And furthermore because only most nations we stand up don't stay quiet against the world banking cabal.
212 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:14 am Report abuse
So it's everyone else then-any reason why Argentina as slipped from 100 to 102 of the most corupt nations,who's falt would that be Belguim or even Luxumberg???
213 Anglotino (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:17 am Report abuse
@209 Joe

Yeah as they say, Sydney is a great place to visit, but Melbourne is a great place to live. Probably why it ranks so highly in liveability indices. The ferris wheel is still getting fixed, thankfully the near 50C heat that caused it to buckle has been repeated again. This summer is almost spring like.

The email address will stay there, create your own throw away one if you want to reply. It's a dream to actually get to the Falklands sometime. Your knowledge of Acland Street cakes speaks volumes about you. LOL
214 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:19 am Report abuse
@212

Those “reports” are about as accurate as reports about Cuba, North Korea, or Iran... about themselves. You see, you are no better than them in that regard... the rating agencies and publications based in your countries create “reports” that supposedly are objective but that's a bunch of shite. They are completely skewed to make themselves look good. No one believes them.
215 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:26 am Report abuse
So there all a waste of time then ahhhh OK

Diplomats from United States, Germany, Spain and Finland repeatedly expressed their concerns about the level of corruption in Argentina in recent years according to the contents of several Wikileaks cables published in the Buenos Aires media.

Even you former colonial masters seemed worried here
216 GFace (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:27 am Report abuse
(@213 I lived in SYD's eastern burbs for a few months and I have to agree. It's while Sydney is our favorite city to visit, we did it even for Thanksgiving this year... We looked at realestate for a giggle and the AUD 1M “teardown” in what we new was an iffy neighborhood took the cake)
217 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:31 am Report abuse
@215

And we care about what the United States (uncivilized lunatics), Germany (goostepping barbarians), Spain (colonial plunderers), and Finland (troglodyte recluses) say because...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
218 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:33 am Report abuse
@nostrolldamus Now my friend you asked many time why we dislike Argentines and here is a pefect example a headline from 2011 made by a Argentine official to some university in Brazil

“UK pays Falkland Islanders to remain in the Islands and not migrate to Argentina”

You could not make it up could you
219 Faulconbridge (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:41 am Report abuse
drb.ie/essays/island-sickness
is an interesting essay on Argenina's Malvania.

The interesting thiug about Gamerro's book- which heEnglish one. helped to translate- is that the original version is even more savage than the
220 Tobers (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:44 am Report abuse
@214

Many anglos, caucasians, europeans and their descendents or whatever you want to call us have been to Cuba. Weve seen it first hand and many other corners of the world - unlike you. Weve seen the news of the masses in North Korean capital wailing the death of their dear leader or was that videoshopped? Iran finds an excuse to sack its one token female member of government etc etc etc . These are not stable healthy democracies. But you already knew that.

Get help poor chap.
221 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:46 am Report abuse
@218

And why do you think we hate you?

To be anti-American, anti-European is to be “evil” according to your politicians. We can only be “good” if you just truckle to your economic protectionism, and look the other way at your abuses, and war crimes.

You northerners are an increasingly pathetic bunch, really.
222 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:02 am Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The Well you idiot when we stoop as low as throwing our own people from military planes into The South Atlantic then you can describe us so,we have no such thing as THE DISSAPEARED here,can you say the same????
223 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:05 am Report abuse
is an interesting essay on Argenina's Malvania.

The interesting thiug about Gamerro's book- which heEnglish one. helped to translate- is that the original version is even more savage than the
Argentina is rigth and the pirates,uncivilized barbarian of the brits,that live in an island 14000 KM away,will come and kick out a peaceful Argentine population from MAlvinas,that posed no treat to uk,a country that signed a peace and commerce treaty with her...Just brits ; GO TO HELL.SOB,useless pirates,I wish you a very bad year for 2012!
224 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:12 am Report abuse
@222

We have no such thing as Bloody Sunday or Dunblane, or decades of internal terrorism.
225 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:13 am Report abuse
@Malvinero1 I take it you do realise your great grandmother screwed a Spanish Pirate?? Oh and thankyou for wisjhing us all a bad year for 2012 infact it turned out quite a good year for The UK with olympics queens jubilee Andy Murray,mmmm how well did Argentina do at London

Argentina 1 Gold 1 Silver 2 Bronze total 4 medals ranked 42nd

Great Britain 29 Gold 17 Silver 19 Bronze ranked .3rd

You must get Crissy and Maximo to stop pocketing your taxes and spend more on Sports development

Happy New Year you miserable piece of SHIT xxxxxx
226 Britninja (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:32 am Report abuse
@224 When you look back at 2012 and tot up the colossal amount of hours of your existence you've wasted on pointless diatribes, does it all seem worth it?
227 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:39 am Report abuse
@226

I'm just getting started. The more I read, the more I hate anyone from Europe, and North America. You shall pay for your arrogance.
228 Britninja (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:42 am Report abuse
Wouldn't you rather, I don't know, swim with some dolphins? Do some charity work? Paint some artwork? Something that's actually positive or productive?
229 Anglotino (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:52 am Report abuse
@216 Gface

Yeah Sydney has reached its limits and NSW government policy is actively discouraging further land release and hence immigration; so prices are much higher and Melbourne is growing at twice the rate.

@223 Malvinero1
Still waiting on that listing of the “peaceful Argentine population” that was kicked off the islands in 1833. I don't think Mestivier found it so peaceful.

And I see the facade slips and that all Nostrolldamus' elocution goes out the window so very easily when the going gets slighty tough.
230 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:53 am Report abuse
@228

Why, I have found my life's work. At least I have it clear, who my enemy is.
231 Conor J (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:06 am Report abuse
@230
Oh really? What about; 'Your Worst Enemy Could Be Your Best Friend & Your Best Friend Your Worst Enemy.'
232 Britninja (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:08 am Report abuse
@230 Fair enough. I think you might need to get a part-time job to start saving up for your volcanic island lair, swivelly megalomaniac chair and army of sharks with laser beams grafted to their heads.
233 Conor J (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:12 am Report abuse
@232
Why is it that I immediately think of Austin Powers?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw
234 Britninja (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:14 am Report abuse
Exactly ;) Can just imagine him saying “You shall pay for your arrogaaance!” as in @227
235 Anglotino (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:16 am Report abuse
“FIRE THE LASER”
236 Faulconbridge (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:17 am Report abuse
Are you related to King Lear, Mostrildamus? You sound very like him:

I will do such things,—
What they are, yet I know not: but they shall be
The terrors of the earth.
237 Britninja (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:18 am Report abuse
Lol the thought of a Mini-Nostro complete with a mini pocket theasaurus is just too unsettling.
238 Conor J (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:18 am Report abuse
I damn near pissed myself when you said that mate!
Remember this one?:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jZiKFLL6MI&feature=fvwp&NR=1

My god! Its TTT and Mini-TTT, also known as Danny Berger.
239 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:21 am Report abuse
@231

How about “the most evil argentine is a saint, and the most harmless foreigner is your bane”?
240 GFace (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:25 am Report abuse
@238... and he just equated one of the most brutal regimes in the recent Middle East to Poland under the Nazis on the other thread. If there was any question as to his mental and moral state, “that turkey has now done popped.”
241 Conor J (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:27 am Report abuse
@239
So thats your explanation for your hatred? Even the worst Argentine is better than the Average, Innocent Foreigner?

Heres another one for you and Danny Berger:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1cRTW9AGVo
242 Anglotino (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:27 am Report abuse
@239 NT5

Hey Nos “I know guys on crack that make more sense than you”.

But seriously, hate less little dude. Hate is bad for the soul. I, for one, and there's others, don't hate you. We may believe you to be pathetic but that is not hate.

I love Argentina and Argentineans. I'm not even sure how it is possible to hate an entire race of people or an entire country.

Your language skills may be amazing but my God you can't debate or argue for sh!t.
243 Conor J (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:32 am Report abuse
Actually, now that I think about it, TTTs policy of total independence and self reliance made me rethink his persona.

How about this one?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ
244 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:38 am Report abuse
@241

I have always tried to get that point across. Why do you think I dismiss what any foreigner has to say about Argentina outright? And refuse to discuss with them internal affairs?

You have me wrong though? I don't hate your essence, I hate your extraneousness. In other words, I don't hate you for who you are, I hate you for not being from where I from AND for being from countries that want to see us ruined and conquered. Where this not the case, I would not hate you... I would not care about anything beyond Argentina's borders. Nothing beyond there that I can't find at home.

(only country in the world with virtually all the ecosystems, climates, and all over the country towns that are made from expats from dozens of nations... Necochea? Danish. Tres Arroyos? Dutch. Villa Belgrano? German. Bariloche? Swiss. Rafaela? Piedmontese. Villa Angela? Serbian. Obera? Ukranian. La Quiaca? Bolivian. Gaiman? Welsh. Lincoln? Irish. Venado Tuerto? Lombard. Concordia? Basque.

That's just as start... there are Lao communities in Corrientes, chinese in Once, Kosher Mcdonalds, muslims in La Rioja, French in Daireaux, Scandinavians in Misiones, Italians all over, anglo-argentines in greater BA, catalans all over, etc, etc...

With all the climates, cultures, and regions... There is nothing the rest of the world has to offer.
245 Conor J (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:49 am Report abuse
@244
Again I'am baffled by this nonsense. You act like the world is out to get you, but this is nothing more than weird paranoia based rubbish. The only reason why Argentina always seems to be threatened is because you lot keep pissing off the international community all the time. Refusing to pay your debt to certain countries, brining in countless trade restrictions that damage foreign and domestic industry, threatening the Falklands and other smaller neighbours daily etc, etc, etc. For every Action (Argentina), there is a Reaction (Rest of the world). Your country constantly lies and spits on other countries and their deals and business with you. And then you seem to think that you haven't done anything wrong. The whole Libertard incident was a prime example of that. For the vast bulk of Brits, your country would never register on our radar if it weren't for the Falklands.
246 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:53 am Report abuse
@245

I'm glad it would not register. Believe me I am.

There is not one country on this planet that really matters to Argentina. None are good or important enough.
247 Britninja (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 04:10 am Report abuse
@246 Hmm maybe Argentina should start having delusions of adequacy before it skips ahead to grandeur. ;)
248 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 04:17 am Report abuse
It has nothing to do with our adequacy. Tell me, if your country sinks tomorrow... how are we affected or disrupted?

Insert any other country if you wish not to put your own on the spot.
249 Britninja (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 04:51 am Report abuse
I guess I'm just not seeing the same inspiring self-sufficient paradise as you I'm afraid. Argentina seems to be riddled with incompetence and corruption at every level and that's *with* all the extra money and resources it's borrowed/stolen from other countries over the years, not managing on its own. If the rest of the world did sink beneath the waves I've got a feeling you'd be clubbing each other over the head for the last choripan, not living in an utopia. ;)
250 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 04:59 am Report abuse
I didn't say “the rest of the world”... but that's a nice thing to think about before bed time.
251 Britninja (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 05:13 am Report abuse
Lol yup it's a typically upbeat Tobi-esque thought to end the year on. I bet you had your fingers crossed that Quetzlacoatl would pop on down for the Mayan Apocalypse and bury the rest of the world in giant bird crap didn't ya. Tough titty :P
252 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 05:25 am Report abuse
Just like the rest of the planet is praying for some massive antarctic ice slide to slip straight north and comminute everything west of the Uruguay River and east of the Andes up to the tropic of Capricorn.
253 CJvR (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 08:10 am Report abuse
@ 244 - “With all the climates, cultures, and regions... There is nothing the rest of the world has to offer.”

Except currency worth more than the paper it is printed on.
254 Anglotino (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 09:08 am Report abuse
Oh snap!

Baaahaha
255 Xect (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 09:56 am Report abuse
Seems Tobias has been busy in this thread. I actually think he's not all bad but he has encountered significant British/Australian and American criticism of his country that has worn him down to this point. The criticism maybe just and deserved but nonetheless it is also most likely hard to accept.

And this in turn has resulted in Tobias's response. You have to ask, if you also lived in a failed country like Argentina and had this much criticism would you ever leave the forum or respond like Tobias?

Personally I'd leave given Argentina is so busy imploding the news headlines get worse on a day-by-day basis and there's really not much that can be done to defend them.

I'd probably also take the approach that energy should be expended in dethroning the crazy in power so Argentina can start to rebuild itself. It should be a great country but the process of rebuilding needs to start from ground up so it would take many years to see good strong progress that we all know is possible if Argentina is able to fix its mindset and political structure.
256 Steveu (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 10:39 am Report abuse
@233 Malvinero

To err is human, to “arr” is pirate.

May I reciprocate your kind greeting
257 Clyde15 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 11:18 am Report abuse
#244
Your description of Argentina sounds like an ersatz form of Disneyland.
258 Anbar (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
“”“”“It would be more than four decades after Argentina lost control of the islands before it launched the genocidal military campaign to conquer Patagonia, wiping out the region’s indigenous peoples.”“”“”

didnt happen, couldnt have done, Argentines arent colonialists.

its all made-up stories by the rest of the world.

Argentina isnt to blame.

I think Nostrodamaus is the most naive and indoctrinated person i've ever come across on the internet...and unrepresentative of the average Argentine by a very long way imo.
259 HansNiesund (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
@258

He has at least enough of a brain not to be a Malvinista, but the rest is pure cartoon Peronism.
260 LEPRecon (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
I hope everyone had a merry Xmas, and I hope you have a great New Year.

I see not much has changed since before Xmas, most of the Argentine posters on here are still spouting the same old crap regarding the Falklands that has been disproved too many times to count.

Anyway, well done to the Falkland Islands Government for continuing to put the truth about their history out to the rest of the world, and showing Argentina's claims are based on outright lies and wishful thinking.
261 GFace (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
Well his desperate need to defend his countries fascist past and undying nostalgia for its Dirty War's last gasp with the Falklands in a childish fit of whataboutery certainly jumped the shark. Iraq = Poland. A fascist state = the victims of fascism. Sick. Irredeemable.
262 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
andy#255 Malvinero1 I take it you do realise your great grandmother screwed a Spanish andPirate?? Oh and thankyou for wisjhing us all a bad year for 2012 infact it turned out quite a good year for The UK with olympics queens jubilee Andy Murray,mmmm how well did Argentina do at London”
Just go to hell,useless pirate! HAve a very bad 2013!
263 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
@Malvinero1 (#) Oh dear did I hit a nerve?? Truth hurts I guess perhaps you need to engage with your brain (if you have one) before spouting rubbish,now go and swing from your dear leaders titties.
264 Pete Bog (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 12:57 pm Report abuse
@223
“the brits,that live in an island 14000 KM away,will come and kick out a peaceful Argentine population from”

No, it was mostly Brits who were kicked out by the Brits, (80% of Pinedo's crew were British mercenaries) and 11 South American settlers were allowed to stay.(in fact it might have been 15-tell you what, you can look up the details for me-a nice exercise in proper referencing for you ).
Mind you, 2 out of the 22 settlerswere Brits, one Scot and One Irishman.

You still don't understand the irony of this do you?
But then I expect you are still reading the Argentine cartoon school books they indoctrinated you with, when you were 6.
265 Clyde15 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
#248
As a greater intellect than you wrote the following, reflect on your hubris.
“No man is an island
Entire of its self
Each is a part of the continent
A part of the main..........................
Each man's death diminishes me
For I am involved in mankind
Therefore send not to know for whom the bell tolls
It tolls for thee.”

John Donne
266 Anbar (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
Well I h0pe Aregentina and Argentines have a very good new tear, starting with the birth of new political organisation that isnt tied to populism or fascism.

And may all the Falklands Islanders have a good and prosperous new year, safe in the knowledge that they are in our thoughts and that we will never abandon them to modern colonialism from the likes of CFK and her cronies.

The truth and history stand firm against her delusions and those she has infected some of her population with.

In 2013 the one and only true population of the Falklands, the only people that can legitimately decided their own futures, will state their desires for any in the free world to take note, and be in no doubt that democracy and your proven rights to self-determination will triumph regardless.

have a good one! :-)
267 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
The spirit and roots of the Falklands: PIRACY
“Our Islands, Our History”: We took the islands at gun point. We write the Story (oops, I mean the History) we want.

What are the Falkland Islands? A bunch of islands in South America usurped by the UK at gun point.
Who are Falkland Islanders? British subjects implanted in argentine islands to maintain a colonial enclave.
What does it mean to be a citizen of our country? Puuffff. Means a lot of things. It means there´s a high probability that you´re not from the islands and that instead you come from elsewhere, but still consider yourself as a Falkland Islander with the right to self-determination. It means you´re paid lots of money to stay (your standard of living is way higher than UK´s average). It means you´re British and expect to enjoy your British right to self-determination in argentine islands far, far away from Britain. It also means you´d eventualy have to leave to study abroad and find someone to date (dating some one on the islands would be like dating your brother or sister). It means you´re worried about the existance of Falkland Islanders in the future, given the birth rate issues. I means you mean a lot to the UK (a great disguise where strategic British interests hide under). We could go on... but you get the picture.
268 ElaineB (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 01:45 pm Report abuse
@167 Get over it. You will NEVER have the Falkland Islands. Why not do something productive with your life?

Nothing has changed and nothing will change.
269 LEPRecon (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
@267 - Islas Maldives

Since the Islands have NEVER been Argentine territory there is no problem.

Remember this: Republic of Argentine - 1853
Falkland Islands Community - 1820's

That means that the Falkland Islands Community existed BEFORE the Republic of Argentina did. No matter how you try to twist and distort the facts, the world can see you all for your lies, your colonial ambitions, and your greed.

As Elaine said. GET OVER IT. Start fixing your own country, which is falling down around your ears.

Even if you magically got the Islands tomorrow, your country would still be in deep sh!t. The Islands are NOT a magical solution to your problems, they just a DISTRACTION that your government waves around so you won't see how badly they've screwed your country up, and how they've STOLEN all of YOUR money.

But keep bitching on about the Islands, it gives us all a good laugh. A bit like Nero fiddling while Rome burns; Argentinians whine about a mythical set of Islands while your economy and country crumble around you.

Amusing, but quite pathetic too.
270 Monty69 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
267 Islas Malvinas

Nobody is 'paid lots of money to stay'. Nobody is 'implanted'.

I think you know this already and are just peddling lies for fun, but I just thought I'd point that out for anyone who doesn't know that.
Wages are the same or lower than the UK, and the cost of living is higher.

What the hell does 'implanted' mean anyway?
271 ElaineB (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
Yeah, I was talking to @267. Oops.
272 CJvR (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
“What the hell does 'implanted' mean anyway?”

All non-natives in the Americas (ie 99% of the Argies).
273 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
272

Implanted means placed here. Most of the people living here were kidnapped from their homes by the UK military and transported down here. Paid peanuts and forced to live on all the little islands, mainly to the west of West Falkland. They have no passports, no money to get away with and no way of communicating with the outside world.
274 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
@Islas Malvinas Why do you make your self look so stupid?? do you actually believe that stuff you write if so where did you learn it
275 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
@269

This is the prime example of the unrestrainted stupidity of the average foreigner. They are so dumb that even a mole is more amenable to learning.

How many times have we heard this “Argentina did not exist before 1853?”... and what is the “gravamen” that butressess this entire line of logic?

A name change.

Yes... I know it sounds absurd, zany, and deluded, but that's it. A name change. Argentina has no rights to anything prior to 1853 under international law because of a name change.

This has been one of the major arguments not only for the Falklands question (which I do not support my country in), but also in many other areas like wars, and first rights.

So... recapping. The Falklands existed before Argentina. Thus claiming the Falklands is a non-starter (which actually is fine with me given my stance about this issue).

But this actually kills two birds with one stone, because not only would it make Argentina's obsession with the Falkland's illegitimate, but it would also make he UK's claim over Antarctica completely void.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Ireland

The Republic of Argentina has been on Antarctica LONGER than the the UK of Great Britain and NORTHERN Ireland. The entity called the UK of Great Britain and IRELAND no longer exist, so their claim is cabinet dust.

As I have said all along in the other thread, the UK's claim is not only geoghaphically unsustainable (everyone laughs at it), not only are they overwhelmed by the argie population, not only do argies live there and give birth there, not only is our permanent presence longer than theirs... but their claim is nugatory.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Ireland

This country no longer exist. Oh well.

Like I said, Antarctica will be Argentine, and that's just another reason for it. (and with Scotland seceeding it will make it even worse). Ireland and Scotland would have as much rights to a piece of it than modern UK.
276 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
... all they live for are periodic visits from humorous military officers who keep them down-trodden and throw them a few scraps of bread. Still, it's worth it so that a few of us fat-cats can live the high life in Stanley.
277 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The , OK if your claims are so valid why does your dear leader and past leaders not show willing to test there arguments at the international court where The UK as shown willing to do so.
278 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
@277

The Antarctic claims are on hold. Which actually turned out to be a horrible move by th UK, which was a main sponsor of it, and I admit are usually competent people at subterfuge and skullduggery.

Horrible because the more time passes, the less the original claimant actually exist. The country that will attempt to claim the UK portion of Antarctica may in fact be 3 of 4 different ones come 2060 or so. Argentina will still be the same exact entity as in 1904, 1937, etc.

Given that fact and all the others I mentioned (the only supposed advantage you had was “first claim”, which in fact isn't even true as the country that made the claim technically no longer exists and Ireland would have just as much rights to that... and further more it was the Portuguese and Dutch that made first sighting)... so even that part is issuable in court.

I always said, you have the Falklands under strong legal and cultural arguments, but you have very little shot at Antarctica. Especially since world opinion keeps shifting away from a Euro-centric world, to the benefit of the other continents.
279 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The, Well seeing as most of our concerns for being here are mainly in support of our Falkland Island brothers who have to deal with the Argentine Botox Queen constant bullying if it was not for that then these forums would be quiet.
So happy you see sense with regards to The Islands though,I feel you and I may become sweethearts now. LOL OVER YOUR DEAD BODY
280 LEPRecon (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
@275 - Tobias

I said that the Republic of Argentina was created in 1853. That is historic fact.

Before you 'officially' existed there was an Argentina - sort of, but it wasn't ratified. Before that, in 1833, there was the United Provinces of the River Plate, which included parts of what is now Argentina and Uruguay.

Fancy not knowing that!

Pathetic Tobias, really pathetic, only cherry picking the parts of history that support your lame claims.

Also, Britain's claim to the Anarctica pre-dates Argentina's by nearly 40 years. No marks for you today, Tobias.

Perhaps if you tried learning REAL history instead of the propaganda spoon fed to you by successive governments who want to keep you ignorant of the truth as it makes you easier to manipulate and steal from, you wouldn't make yourself look such a fool.

As for Anarctica on day being Argentine, I doubt it very much. The way things are going Argentina may not be Argentine very much longer, especially if you continue to vote in (and I use that term loosely) crooks, whose only interest is lining their own pockets instead of making Argentina a better place.

I truly hope that Argentina gets a decent government soon. If not, then I doubt the Argentine economy will last out the year.
281 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 04:51 pm Report abuse
On a previous forum Nostrolldamus told us all that he will not be dictated to by history and that Argentina seclects it's own history,we thanked him for telling us all something we already knew
282 Simon68 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 05:00 pm Report abuse
A very Happy and Prosperous 2013 to ALL on Mercopress.

See (figuratively) you all next year!!!!!
283 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
Nostrolldamus as invited us all around to his place for canopies and champagne
284 Malvinense 1833 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
@@119 Anglotino
It is not just population.
If it was or was not expelled.
This is the expulsion from the country that exercised sovereignty in the islands. Do you understand now?
Forget the bad guys on both sides and begin to cooperate. Economy, fishing, tourism, sports.
My God, is so hard!! Open the minds of people!!!
A very Happy and Prosperous 2013 to all on Malvinas
285 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
@Malvinense 1833 There is no such place as Malvinas but therre are some beautiful Islands called The Falklands, perhaps thats who your greetings are to???
286 ynsere (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
Malvinense @ 284
Who are the “good guys” in the Argentine gov't?
287 Terence Hill (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
284 Malvinense 1833

Argentina continued its encroachments in spite of Britons protests. So you have two nations claiming the same rights, they did the only thing that nations could do then. They went nose-to-nose, guess what you lost, move on get over it. If it was ever to be legally determined it would be determined under the international laws that existed in 1833. So the UK would win under the “right of conquest” doctrine alone, in addition to the many other claims she could rely on.
288 Anglotino (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
@284 Malvinense 1833

Look, every false claim by the Argentinenean government can be refuted by historical documentation. The simple fact is, if people keep taking these claims at face value and repeating them without doing their own research, then they are either too lazy or too stupid.

I taught myself the history of the Islands, not my government. It would seem it is indeed too hard for some Argentineans to open their minds as you requested.

The colony had British approval and a right to be there. The garrison did not. The garrison was expelled upon Britain learning of it, not the colony.

So which are you? Too lazy or too stupid? Research is really not that difficult considering you obviously know how to use the Internet.
289 andy65 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
@Anglotino from the propoganda that Argentine kids are fead from a young age regarding The Falkland Islands you can put it on a par of how North korea treats it's people,thats why when those Argentine RATS invaded the Islands in 82 they were shocked to find English speaking people driving on the left ect because they were led to believe they were Spanish speakers being held against there will.
My new best friend Nostrolldamus refuses to talk about internal Argentine affairs because I have come to the simple conclusion he is ashamed and embarrased.
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290 ElaineB (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
It is because TTT is not Argentine and his knowledge is limited to wiki or youtube. If he did get involved in a discussion about Argentina he would be exposed.
291 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
I wanted to wish a Happy New Year to all my British friends in Insular Argentina. Hopefully in 2013 the meaningless referendum will be ignored by the UN taking us one step closer to decolonization, despite imperialist British interests.
Cheers!
292 Monkeymagic (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
284 Malvinense 1833

Your claim is based on the false premise that the solution to any dispute is compromise, and the fact that there is a dispute means that both sides have an equal or just claim.

This is simply not the case.

The Argentine claim to the islands is fundamentally flawed across every single facet of its claim. If it were not flawed, and there were a just claim, the islands would have been “returned” just as 40-50 other territories have around the world, the vast majority peacefully.

Quite simply there is no Argentine claim. No just claim at all. You, your children and your countrymen are lied to.

The Spanish sovereignty was “shared” with the British.
Both left.
In my opinion, both took any claim of sovereignty with them. It left the islands with sovereignty. So anything before 1811 is irrelevant.

Both Britain and the United Provinces “claimed” sovereignty verbally. Again irrelevant.

Both had multiple ships “passing through” including Jewitt. Irrelevant.

Vernet had permission from both the UP and the British for his private enterprise. So irrelevant.

The “only” attempt by the Argentines to back up their claim with people came in November 1822. This was immediately protested by the British. The penal colony led by Mestevier arrived in November, they mutinied, murdered Mestevier in front of his wife and then raped her in front of their children. Pinedo reestablished some form of order.

In January, HMS Clio arrived and forced Pinedo and his crew to leave.

So from 1811 and the Spanish leaving, other than irrelevant verbal claims, the occasional ship visiting, an irrelevant private enterprise, the Argentine claim amounts to 6 weeks of mutiny, murder and rape.

Seven this wafer thin claim has been given far too much credence prior to 1982, due to the British over-apology for anything remotely colonial.

Post 1982 it is a done deal. Never, Never, Never.

The wafer thin became Nothing and Never. it's done...Forever.
293 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
291
Happy New Year to you to you joyful fellow. What are your New Year's resolutions? Would you like to share any with us. How about holding your breath until the Argentine flag is flying over the Falklands?

Chuckle chuckle
294 Malvinense 1833 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
@285 andy65: The usurpation not renamed the islands.
@286ynsere: I do not know if there are good people in government.
But in Argentina there are very good people, you, all in the island should give us a chance.
@287 Terence Hill: Even the conquest requires of a treaty. In this case there is. Therefore the claim continues.
@288Anglotino: “The period 1820 to 1833 is also complex and further complicated” Leona Roberts.
To whom are indoctrinating, hiding much of his own story?
I am in favor of a joint investigation by Argentine and British historians to get closer to the truth.
Regards
Ah Happy new year for Monty, Red, Isolde, Domingo, Dab, J.A. Roberts, briton, etc, etc, to all all all...
295 Terence Hill (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 10:18 pm Report abuse
294 Malvinense 1833
Not according to General theory of law and state, by Hans Kelsen. 1945
...according to international law, a territorial change, provided that the occupation, made with the intention of incorporating the occupied territory into the territory of the occupying State, assumes a permanent character, and that means that the legal order of the occupying State becomes efficacious for the territory in question...annexation is not only possible in time of war, but also in time of peace. The decisive point is that annexation, that is, taking possession of another State's territory with the intention to acquire it, constitutes acquisition of this territory even without the consent of the State to which the territory previously belonged, if the possession is “firmly established.” It makes no difference whether the annexation takes place after an occupatio bellica or not.
But there was also a treaty of peace 1850 Convention of Settlement, for the Settlement of existing Differences and the re-establishment of Friendship. The effect of according to all the experts GROTIUS,
Vattel,HENRY WHEATON, LL.D, H. W. HALLECK, JAMES MADISON CUTT, John Westlake,T. J. LAWRENCE, M.A., LL.D.,
GEORGE GRAFTON WILSON, Ph.D., LL.D, L. OPPENHEIM, M.A., LL.D is as follows:
The treaty of peace leaves every thing in the state in which it found it, unless there be some express stipulation to the contrary. The existing state of possession is maintained, except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the conqueror, and his title cannot afterwards be called in question.
296 dab14763 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
284 Malvinense 1833

-It is not just population.
If it was or was not expelled.-

Malvi,

Only the garrison was expelled

-This is the expulsion from the country that exercised sovereignty in the islands. Do you understand now?-

The United Provinces did not exercise sovereignty then. You are confusing the exercise of government with the exercise of sovereignty. The UP did some government acts for the Falklands, but it had not yet established sovereignty. It had neither inherited the Spanish claim, nor had it yet established effective control over the Falklands. The time period from 1811 to 1833 was not long enough for Spain to lose any rights it had through prescription, therefore if the Falklands (or the eastern part) were Spanish in 1816, they were still Spanish in 1833

-Forget the bad guys on both sides and begin to cooperate. Economy, fishing, tourism, sports.
My God, is so hard!! Open the minds of people!!!-

Argentina is the one impeding cooperation by making cooperation conditional on the unconditional surrender of the Falkland Islanders. Argentina also interferes with other countries in the region cooperating with the Falklands

A very Happy and Prosperous 2013 to all on the Falklands-

Fixed that for you.

A very Happy and Prosperous 2013 to everyone everywhere.

291 Islas Malvinas (#)

-I wanted to wish a Happy New Year to all my British friends in Insular Argentina.-

Your British friends living in Tierra del Fuego no doubt return the sentiment.

294 Malvinense 1833

-@287 Terence Hill: Even the conquest requires of a treaty. In this case there is. Therefore the claim continues.-

Convention of Settlement 1849, ratified 1850. Principle of Uti possidetis.

: a principle in international law that recognizes a peace treaty between parties as vesting each with the territory and property under its control unless otherwise stipulated

The Convention was a peace treaty.
297 ynsere (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
We Uruguayans are peace-loving people, so here are some ideas on how relations between Argentines and Islanders might be improved.
1. Argentine immediately changes its constitution to remove all claims on the Falklands.
2. Every time Argentina makes a promise, the national treasure deposits very large sums of cash (to be determined by more knowledgeable people than myself) in an independent third-country bank. If Argentina breaks its promise, said funds are handed over to the Islanders forthwith.
3. Given that the presence of British forces in the Falklands was made necessary by the Argentines, Buenos Aires picks up all related bills, paying cash in advance.
3. Argentina opens an embassy with a staff of three (more than three Argentines together become a mob) in Stanley, and the Falklanders open one in Punta del Este (on account of the criminality in Buenos Aires; the Islanders aren't used to dealing with common or garden thieves).
4. Argentina to address all matters related to the Falklands to the Falklanders.
298 Islander1 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
284 Malvinense- co-operation on fisheries-tourism etc etc? This was FORMALLY Offered to the Argentine Govt by the Falkland Islands Govt by letter at the Un Decolonization Meeting, and agin later via your Ambassador in London.
To date your Govt in Buenos Aires has NOT replied to our offer to sit down and talk across the table together- Why?
This despite your President announcing at the UN that all she wants to do is sit and talk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Islas Malvinas - since my ancestors came to these Islands as settlers in 1845 and later bought land to farm- how can I be “implanted” in the country of my birth for 5 generations and for 7 of younger members of my family?
Another relative of mine went to Rio Gallegos in 1860 - when the only Arg prescence there was a policeman in a little one room hut - he took over by boat, the FIRST sheep to Start farming in Santa Cruz Province and bought land there - did you know that the currency of the day in Rio Gallegos until the 1890s was the British Pound?
Now - are my cousins who still live on that land today - Argentines - or Implanted ?
Please answer me on this?

Maybe the Falklands can make a claim over Santa Cruz Province - after all it was settlers from the Islands who first went there and started to develop it!
299 dab14763 (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
280 LEPRecon (#)

-I said that the Republic of Argentina was created in 1853. That is historic fact.-

And it did not include the Province of Buenos Aires, which had broken away in 1852 and rejoined in 1862

-Also, Britain's claim to the Anarctica pre-dates Argentina's by nearly 40 years. No marks for you today, Tobias.-

Many more years than 40. The letters patent of 1908 was not to make territorial claims, those had been made many years before, but to establish for their government as Dependencies of the Falklands. The UK first made claims in the Antarctic sector in 1819 (South Shetland Islands). Graham Land, the Antarctic Peninsula was claimed in 1832. However, the territory claimed on mainland Antarctica, was extended down to the South Pole in the letters patent of 1917. Before it had been limited to Graham Land.
300 axel arg (#) Dec 31st, 2012 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
Historic facts will always be opened to different interpretations, however it's necesary to have enough intellectual honesty in order to discuss about something so complicated like politic issues, i explained in my comment 82 what i think about the historic facts of this conflict, many of you can agree or not with analysis, but unless i have intellectual honesty, which is something that many of you don't have, that's why you always blame argentina, and don't recognize that the u. k committed also serious mistakes like argentina, in different moments since 1833.
The islanders accuse argentina of considering just one outcome in order to find a solution for this dispute. According to the interpretation that they and their councellours do, argentina considers that islands must be under our sovereignty only, because our constitution expresses that arg. must recover the full sovereignty, however at the same time, they have always manifested that they are disposed to talk about different issues, but not about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, so, they are being as intransigent as the other part that they accuse. In case that the u. k decides to resume the negotiations with arg. about the sovereignty, and the islanders manifest that they want to remain under british gov., arg. won't be able to force them to accept our sovereignty only, beyond what our constitution expresses about our claim, if the u. n has always manifested that both countries must dialoge in order to find a peacefull solution, the population from the islands will be able to continue under british gov. as much as they wish, but it doesn't mean that both parts can't find a solution respecting the sovereignty, that satisfies all the parts. C. f. k. was very clear before the u. n when she said that we are not asking the u. k to recognize that the islands are argentine, we are just asking it to dialogue with us about it. Anyway the conversations should include the islanders also, not just the u. k.
301 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 12:53 am Report abuse
@axel arg No matter what it is paramount that the people of the Falkland Islands desires and wishes are above anything else they are a SELF GOVERNING PEOPLE,your president as chosen to ignore them and try to make there life as miserable as possible (which she will not succeed) Kirchner as for want of a better word Prostituted herself around South America bullying other countrys to see things her way,infact it seems her style of governing is MY WAY OR NO WAY.Kirchner as abandoned many co operation agreements out of shear spite to try like a small child to live her dead husbands dream.
As our distinguished forum user Islander1 rightly says there request to sit and talk with The Kirchner governmant as fallen on death ears,So why should the good peace loving hard working people of The Falkland Islands be treated in this way?? For me the stakes are to high for ANY British Prime Minister to EVER sit and talk with the Argentines without the full agreement and involment of The Islanders-heres hoping The Argentine people get rid of This C troublesome woman ASAP.
302 Islander1 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 01:38 am Report abuse
Axel- as explained above- A oromal proposal to sit at the table and talk - is sitting with your Govt - made to your President by The Falklands Elected Assembly.
She and her Govt have NEVER replied or acknowledged it as yet

So just who is being belligerent and one sided?.
303 Anglotino (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 05:03 am Report abuse
@300 Axl Arg

You keep hoping that there will be some sort of compromise because Britain has been at fault at times as well as Argentina.

While historic facts might be open to interpretation, the will of the people living there today aren't. They have made their choice and the upcoming referendum will also be a voicing of that choice.

The UN only recognises a sovereignty dispute, nothing more, nothing less.

While I understand Argentina's position and claim and their actual history, there is nothing there that can be used to deny the right's of the Islanders to self-determination.

Argentina's position is nothing less than total sovereignty. This may include protections and caveats but it is still their sole position.

The UK also accepts this position.

But it is NOT their SOLE position. They will accept everything from full independence down.

Argentina's entire position is based on the Islanders having NO right to self-determination.

Britain's entire position is based on the Islanders having A right to self-determination.

The UN might not have an opinion on the sovereignty dispute, but it definitely has an opinion on self-determination.

You so however argue your points clearly and politely. You do more to help the Argentine position on these forums than most others I've replied to.
304 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 05:11 am Report abuse
Resolution for 2013.

1. Be nice to foreigners
2. Make sure I don't have to encounter any of them.

@301

Argentina has withdrawn from all cooperation agreements with the Falklands (Fishing), Chile (gas), Brazil (trade), Paraguay (border exchange), Uruguay (river dredging), EU (Paris club), USA (IMF), China (imports), Mexico (cars), because they all were made to take away our sovereingty.

When countries sign treaties with Argentina, it is not like treaties with other countries. There is an ulterior motive : TO TAKE TERRITORY AWAY FROM US.

We have woken up from our naiveness. Never again we will cooperate and be friendly with other nations. Happy 2013.
305 Anglotino (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 07:03 am Report abuse
I'm still trying to find an example of where territory was taken away from Argentina.
306 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 09:39 am Report abuse
Enough with the propaganda! Jesus!
307 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 10:31 am Report abuse
@304 Nozzy

“When countries sign treaties with Argentina, it is not like treaties with other countries. There is an ulterior motive : TO TAKE TERRITORY AWAY FROM US.”

Yup, treaties with other countries are different from the ones with Argentina.
We only do this to Argentina.

Just sitting on a big pile 'o money here, waiting for Argentina to give into temptation and sell their souls (and sovereignty) for big $$$ and £££, and €€€, or even ¥¥¥.
We think about nothing else.

Hamas has nothing to worry about. compared to what the Mossad has in store for Argentina.
MI6 has your phone tapped because you are so much of a priority.

Happy New Year.
308 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 11:48 am Report abuse
Convention of Settlement 1849, ratified 1850. Principle of Uti possidetis.

: a principle in international law that recognizes a peace treaty between parties as vesting each with the territory and property under its control unless otherwise stipulated

The Convention was a peace treaty.
dab..you still are a liar,I see..You were answered brilliantly by Dr Shadow, in several forum.........You are a miserable LIAR! 1849,convention has NOTHING to DO with MAlvinas.Argentina continued the protest and invited uk to SETTLE THE DISPUTE in a court of LAw in 1884,and at least 5 times after..1849,SETTLED NOTHING FOR MALVINAS...
One of the several forum you were defeated,david....useless prick!!
www.topix.com/forum/world/falkland-islands/TR0KI67QOU0O96MB3/p4
309 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 11:59 am Report abuse
@304 Nostrolldamus The, ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
310 Zethee (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
Malvinero1:
Have you even read what you posted?

“a principle in international law that recognizes a peace treaty between parties as vesting each with the territory and property under its control unless otherwise stipulated”

“territory and property under its control unless otherwise stipulated”

It was not stipulated in the convention of settlement 1849 that Argentina wanted the falklands.

Again:

“territory and property under its control unless otherwise stipulated”
311 Anglotino (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
@308

You keep arguing archaic facts that change nothing on the ground.

Doesn't it get tiring when you can't gain any traction whatsoever?

1833
1849
1884

Here's a better year: 2013.

The year the Islanders exercise their right to self-determination. Sorta blows all those other years out of the water when it comes to international law.
312 Terence Hill (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
308 Malvinero1

Hmm, all these experts are outweighed by yours and Dr. Shadow humble opinions. Are you sure you don't want to add the Green Lantern or Batman to the mix? Oh! are there anymore straws we can give you to grasp?

GROTIUS
Vattel
HENRY WHEATON, LL.D
H. W. HALLECK
JAMES MADISON CUTT
John Westlake
T. J. LAWRENCE, M.A., LL.D.
GEORGE GRAFTON WILSON, Ph.D., LL.D
L. OPPENHEIM, M.A., LL.D
313 Islander1 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
Axel - shall I help you along a bit? Your President has not replied to the offer to sit down at talk- smply because your democratically elected Govt refuses to recognize that the people of the Islands have any basic human rights - let alone that of democratically electing and running our own government.
314 Shed-time (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
@313 What could spain offer Gibraltans? (Abject poverty, Economic servitude as barmen to chavy English drunks). What could Argentina offer Falkland Islanders? (abject poverty, widespread corruption, moral vacuousness).

In any kind of negotiation these countries have nothing to offer should they actually sit down with the third party. This is precisely what they are afraid of doing, because they know they have absolutely naught that the other party wants.

Instead they use it as some kind of whinge-utopia while an israeli american (timmerman) runs their foreign police like it was a school playground.
315 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 02:05 pm Report abuse
Even Chileans living on The Islands support the status quo.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uPHb2b2gIY
316 HansNiesund (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
@308

Malvi, I really don't understand with arguments such as these why you don't just go to the ICJ. Even the Witch Thatcher stated back in 1983 that Britain would respond favourably if Argentina introduced a case. And all you have to do to claim victory is prove that :

1) The sovereignity dispute between the UK and Spain was somehow resolved in favour of Spain
2) the Spanish claim was somehow inherited by Argentina when it hadn't been renounced by Spain itself.
3) the tenancy of Vernet somehow conferred ownership rights
4) the attempted implantation of state sponsored murderers and rapists in 1832 somehow conferred sovereignity
5) the expulsion of civilians somehow actually happened (although no evidence of it exists, and the evidence which does exist flatly contradicts it)
6) the 1850 Treaty somehow does say what it doesn't say, and doesn't say what it does say
7) the 1982 War of Agression somehow doesn't count, or if it does, it was actually carried out by your evil twin brother, the junta.
8) the settlement of the Falkland Islands by immigrants is somehow different from the settlement of the South American mainland by immigrants
8) the fundamental founding principle of the United Nationsas signed up to by Argentina in 1945 somehow doesn't count when it doesn't suit.

It's quite a tall order, but given that you've managed to convince yourself that 1982 was a victory for Argentina, I'm sure you can come up with something.
317 lsolde (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 02:22 pm Report abuse
Go back to sleep, Malvinero1.
Even you could not believe the absolute rubbish that you speak.
You're a moron, man.
Feel better now, nostril? Vented it out of your system?
2013 is going to be a good year. Peace.
318 Shed-time (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
Is anyone still talking about the booklet 'Not your Islands, Not your revisionist history either'? It would be fun to slap an argentinian around the face with it, demanding satisfaction for their failing to apologise for their unlawful War of Aggression in 1982.
319 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
Didn't old Rubber lips The Botox Queen award some kind of medal to Peru recently for all it's help in the war
320 CJvR (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
@304

Wow! Your paranoia is reaching amazing levels, never go near a psychiatric ward for you will never get out again.
321 Shed-time (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
@319 Yes, the War of Aggression that Argentines say they believe they didn't support, and that it was the Junta, they had nothing to do with, and yet millions lined the streets cheering. Then in a massive contradiction their nazi/president gives Peru a medal for it's support in the War of Aggression, something which apparently no one was responsible for. Apparently Argentines cannot understand the difference between words and actions, somewhat like claiming to have had a successful career in law.

They're basically all pathological liars.
322 Joe Bloggs (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
321 Shed-time
Yes, almost as much to blame as the rest of the world, this Junta lot. Where did they come from by the way?
323 Shed-time (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
@322 Well, they were Argentine of course. Their logic is that the German's ultimately weren't responsible for the Nazis and that no one is responsible for their own actions. Should the Germans have recently given Finland a medal for their support in WW2 or the Italians a medal to thank Mussolini then we'd all be thinking that it was a pretty sick joke.

However, if we take this out of the context of 'the modern world', South Americans don't really have the same moral and ethical structure that we take for granted. They think theft, lies and torture are a normal part of life and that having your money stolen by your president is not a culpable act. Their bank notes have pictures celebrating ethnic cleansing and they freely allow their aboriginals to starve to death.

In this context, 'a sick joke' is just routine.
324 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
Happy New Year UK!

“UK faces another 'hard grind' in 2013, economists warn”

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/9772905/UK-faces-another-hard-grind-in-2013-economists-warn.html
325 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
Marcos Alejandro HAPPY NEW YEAR GREACE BALL remember this from last week

en.mercopress.com/2012/12/26/the-magic-of-currencies-uk-overtakes-brazil-as-the-world-s-sixth-largest-economy

PLEASE NOTE Argentina as slipped to 27 in world GDP figures for 2012 and thats on FALSE information provided by your country

Happy New Year from a far prosperous UNITED KIGDOM
326 reality check (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
See you are still reading the Telegraph?
327 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
@reality check, The Sun would be a far better read for Argentines-I could not understand why Alicia Castro was anti The Sun but I guess the truth really does hurt.
328 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
andy65 “Happy New Year from a far prosperous UNITED KIGDOM”
I am happy for you and your prosperous “UNITED KIGDOM”, wherever it is.

www.debtbombshell.com/
329 reality check (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
Andy
Nah! I read a piece some time ago. An Article on the Telegraph web site, on the subject of the Falklands. There was a post from an Argentinian, who wrote that he grown up in the UK having been brought there as a refugee, by his parents. He obviously took an Argentine stance on the subject. The spooky thing is this, the poster signed himself as Marcos Alejandro.

Pure coincidence of course, two posters with the same name! our Marcos would not be that much of an ingrate and a hypocrit!

Hence my, “See your still reading the Telegraph,” comment.
330 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
@reality check The difference being we can manage and pay our debts unlike your miserable country that defaulted and was bailed out or was that just a dream????
331 Clyde15 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
Could we not just use the Argentinian method of debt repayment ?
NO, we are not going to repay the money we borrowed. They seem to think this is the ethical thing to do.
332 Joe Bloggs (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
328

Your post sort of discredits CFK's stance of “give peace a chance” Mike.
333 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
@reality check my apologies remark330 was meant for that piece of shit Marcos Alejandro
334 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
Happy New Year from your British Commonwealth brothers in Canada.
335 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
I don't think this British illegal aliens know what they are, not once did they mention the fakland island holding or the theft of natural resources from the area, on the positive side, they did name themselves after the sea weed that brought the slaves there, Because let's be fair to the truth many of the people on this boats didn't want to be there, as in most cases it was their only option to survive the draconian royal justice system in British dungeons. Neither real history nor the name of a corporation to the island could help this Brits gain rights where they have none.
336 emerald (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
reality check /ElaineB

do not be single minded..
be open/multi minded. *!
337 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter I think you are getting the kind British mixed up wrongly with your countrymen that use to drop it's own people out of military planes over the South Atlantic.
How are you dealing with THE DISSAPEARD lately all seems to be quiet on that front,have you given up on them????
338 reality check (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
Knew that mate.

Like I said, probably a coincidence, though I will say this.

It has always been my experience that, if you step in something that;
Feels like shit,
Looks like shit and
Smells like shit.

It is most probably, shit!
339 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
@reality check, Always find it strange how people like Marcos Alejandro can sit in an adopted (usually English Speaking) country and be so defensive of there motherland but it's not quite good enough for them to go back and live there
340 Malvinense 1833 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
Proof that the sovereignty dispute was resolved in favor of Spain, is peaceful and uninterrupted occupation until 1811 without British protests. End of story.
In the convention of 1849 Uruguayan President Oribe involved in the agreement, so it is ridiculous to think that the Malvinas gave at the behest of a foreign president.
After 1849 Argentina continue with the protests. He proposed to go to arbitration.
Argentinas Protests were growing as the British Empire collapses.
After, at the end of World War II in 1945, guess who is the new world power ?
Coincidentally, at what time Argentine protests grow?
Sorry Pascoe and Pepper should look for something better.
341 reality check (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
“Coincidentally, at that time Argentine protests grow.”

Of course, had nothing at all to do with Herr Colonel Perons admiration for Fascist Germany. Italy and Spain, would it?
342 Shed-time (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
Person was a fascist and a follower of the teachings of Hitler and Mussolini. This is a categorical fact. The followers of Peron's teachings are Nestor, KFC, the Front for FAIL and their militant state-sponsored terrorist wing La Campora.

The fact is, Argentina signed away their claims to the Islands in the declaration of peace between the Argies and the UK. The only reason they started stamping their feet again was because Peron, like Hitler, was a nazi expansionist who wanted to have the spoils of WWII. Sadly his political ally lost, and Argentina got nothing.

then more peronist fascism, then more... then more... then more and more called Kirchnerism ...Repeat ad nauseum

Then Timmerman, a jewish american man from USA, joined the Nazi Front for FAIL. And we all asked why?
343 Terence Hill (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
Long on wind short on proof. You are conveniently forgetting that Spain acceded to british demands and restored the British garrison. There were no protests after the signing of the Convention. There are claims for one in 1884 that may have some substance, and next was in 1941. So much for your so called 'continue with the protests.'
Don't be sorry for Pascoe and Pepper nobody has shown them to be inaccurate.
344 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:56 pm Report abuse
@329 Reality

“Nah! I read a piece some time ago. An Article on the Telegraph web site, on the subject of the Falklands. There was a post from an Argentinian, who wrote that he grown up in the UK having been brought there as a refugee, by his parents. He obviously took an Argentine stance on the subject. The spooky thing is this, the poster signed himself as Marcos Alejandro.

our Marcos would not be that much of an ingrate and a hypocrit!”

Just like Canada's “ Pirat-hunter ” aka ALEX VARGAS, an ungrateful refugee with a similar story. They have much in common and have have arrived at the same way of thinking.

“Marcos” must be mentally-ill like ALEX.

Regardless of how things go, it will be another year of self-induced misery and anger for these two.

Oh, I forgot, it's not their fault!

:-)
345 axel arg (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
ANDY65. ANGLOTINO. ISLANDER1.
Beyond the miserability that some of you show in your comments, every time you reffer to c. f. k., i have always recognized that in some aspects, her gov. is commiting a serious mistake. But the big difference between you and i, is that despite i dont agree in absolut with the postures of your goverments, i don't insult them, because i'm not neather miserable nor pathetic.
Allthough i agree mostly with the policy of c. f. k.'s govt. respecting the malvinas-falkland cause, i have always criticised also the fact that her administration doesn't ask the govt. from the islands to dialogue with them about the sovereignty, she always says she wants to dalogue with the u. k., but she doesn't include the islanders in the proposal of dialogue, and i think it's a big mistake. However, your govts. have never expressed that they would be disposed to dialogue with arg. about the sovereignty. In fact, they have always conditioned the conversations for the sovereignty, which is the main problem, to the will of the islanders, so, for you, there is also just one outcome. This is evident that you haven't understood yet that allthough the u. k. decides to resume the negotiations with arg. for the sovereignty, and if the islanders express that the prefer remaining under british govt., argentina won't be able to force them to accept just our sovereignty, but it doesn't mean that the three parts can't find a solution for the sovereignty which satisfies all the parts, if you prefer believing something different, that's your problem. The other difference between you and i, is that beyond my support to c. f. k's govt., i have never stopped criticising the mistakes of her govt., in your case, you just blame arg. and don't recognize that your govts. aren't acting correctly either in some aspects. A question, if tomorrow c. f. k manifests that she wants to dialogue with the islanders about the sovereignty, would you accept it?.
346 Malvinense 1833 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
Herr Colonel Peron was never to my liking. ;-)
347 reality check (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
Out of interest, are the 1841 Uruguay, Argentine borders still the same today?
Anyone know?
348 Shed-time (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
Did Spain ever pay the Manilla Ransom? (no, because spanish people never pay any money they owe) So we therefore back-date this in exchange for any and all claims they had over anything to do with atlantic islands.

We don't follow the teachings of the chief catholic, unlike Tony 'CofE' Blair, so we don't have to pray to their pantheon of demi-gods or relics and we definitely don't listen to papal bulls.

Now the argies have absolutely no argument.

That settles it.
349 reality check (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
Axel arg.
Re your last, if she changed her stance and wanted dialogue with the Islanders, that would have to be something they would have to decide on. They might decide to talk, after all that could improve relations and I believe they may have already offered such. However honestly, I do not see them ceeding any form of sovereignty.
I think this is something an islander would have to comment on.
What I would feel comfortable in saying on the subjectas a Brit is, that they would deffinately get support from us in the UK, whatever they decided.
350 Shed-time (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
@349 Saddam (Ba'athist) didn't want dialogue with the Kuwaitis. Hitler (Hitlerist) didn't seek a conversation with the Austrians. Argentina (crypto-hitlerist) didn't want to communicate with the Falkland Islanders.

It's simply not how these fascists do it.
351 ElaineB (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
@342 The fairy story of the Falklands being stolen from Argentina was used by Peron to unite a very disparate Argentina. For fascism to work there has to be a cause to unite the people (other elements too) and he decided that would do. Interestingly, documentation from that time indicates that he was not sure it would work or that the people would believe it.

Knowing how many Nazi fled to Argentina after WW11 there was also a rumour that Hitler actually lived out his days out. I can't say I believe it but that he would have been welcomed by Peron is in no doubt.
352 emerald (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
Feliz 2013
353 reality check (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
EB
Here's a good conspiracy theorist book for you. The Grey Wolf.

Did (code name Grey Wolf) really die in 1945? The evidence says no. Heres the gripping story of what might have happened... When Truman asked Stalin in 1945 whether Hitler was dead, Stalin replied bluntly, No. As late as 1952, Eisenhower declared: We have been unable to unearth one bit of tangible evidence of Hitler's death. What really happened? Simon Dunstan and Gerrard Williams have compiled extensive evidence, some recently declassified, that Hitler actually fled Berlin and took refuge in a remote Nazi enclave in Argentina. The recent discovery that the famous Hitler's skull in Moscow is female, as well as newly uncovered documents, provide powerful proof for their case. Dunstan and Williams cite people, places and dates in over 500 detailed notes that identify the plan's escape route, vehicles, aircraft, U-boats and hideouts. Among the details: the CIA's possible involvement and Hitler's life in Patagonia, including his two daughters.

Saw a documentary on it on Sky, whilst I am not a conspiracy theorist nut. it certainly made me think!
354 Shed-time (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
@351 Although Peron and the Kircheners worship(ped) Hitler like some kind of demi-god, I would have been surprised if he was allowed to live his days in Argentina. Hitler promised Peron all kinds of things, including plenty of lebensraum if the Axis powers won the war. This is something they failed to do, resulting in Peron being pretty cheesed off. Even the present day Kircheners seem quite pyssy about the fact Uncle Adolf didn't deliver unto them the falklands.

Nationalism is a pretty unifying force, but it historically has failed to deliver successful political stability without authoritarianism to back it up. KFC has no option but to be more and more ruthless as she continues to use it, and the Argentines will at some point expect her to act with regards to their 'malvinas issue'.

That's when we deploy our ninjas.
355 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
@axel arg, Talking with you people is like pulling teeth The Islanders have said they are happy to discuss a range of topics like Fisheries,tourism etc but your governmant has refused to talk with the Islanders but are DEMANDING talking to The British Governmant which to me is highly offensive to The Islanders.
It is very simple,the Islanders will have THE FINAL SAY on there future, in the NEAR ZERO chance they elected or decided they would be happy with Argentine sovereighnty The British Governmant would accept that,now WHEN The Islanders vote or continue saying they are happy being a B.O.T (British Overseas Territory) will your delightful Princess Kristina Kircher Accept that?? NO.Kirchner as made it clear that she wants to see The Falkland Islands under Argentine Sovereighnty during her Presidency so if that is the case THERE IS NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT.
What Argentines can not get through there thick heads is that The UK governmant is not going to rule over sovereighnty without the clear wishes of The Islanders it is there futures there homeland and there decision which I am proud to say that a UK governmant will stand by,thats how a true deomcrecy works by the will of the people, Self Determination. What is clear from most Argentines is that you could not care less what The Islanders want as long as you get what Argentina wants unfortunately that is not going to happen.
Finally if my remarks about your leader SS HITLER KRISTINA KIRCHNER PERON offends you then accept my apologies unfortunately to see this woman in action ranting and raving with those HUGE botox lips talking shit really does not make her a likeable person she's a nationalistic trouble causer it would do you good to note the British responce when the old botox queen goes of on a ranting anti Britsh session which is usualy quiet deplomacy.
356 Shed-time (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
@351,353 Gosh! you folks weren't kidding. Apparently he lived out his days in a ski resort outside Bariloche, in the andean foothills that was only reachable by seaplane.

It's no wonder they love Peronism so much.
357 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
@305

The fisheries “agreement” with the Faklands was a facade used by the United Kingdom to eventually take away territorial waters away from Argentina, by using any possible violations by Argentina as an excuse for uniteteral patrol of argentines waters to “prevent” overfishing that could harm the Falklands. Eventually that would have lead to some sort of territorial enclave around Mar del Plata years down the line. That's how the British have always tried to gain territory around the world.

We were just smart enough to realize it and end all cooperation with the UK.
358 reality check (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
KFC achieving sovereignty during her presidency, lady has a much better chance of leading the first manned mission to Mars!
359 Shed-time (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
@357 Seriously dude, we're talking about how evidence suggest Hitler lived out his days under the protection of the Argentinian people and their political ideology based upon his belief system, and you're rattling on about fishing.

They're not your territorial waters anyway, so I'm really not sure why you're discussing what belongs to someone else.
360 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The, NO thats how the NAZI Kirchners saw it to put pressure onto try get there own way just like with Cruise lines etc and Bullying other South American countrys-and what would be the reason of trying to bully Chile into suspending the Lan Chile flights to The Islands how was that affecting Argentina or trying to gain territory?? to me its desperate measures by a desperate bitch CFK
361 lsolde (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
@345 Axel,
There will be NO NEGOTIATIONS on sovereignty, Axel.
Get used to it.
Don't know why l even bother replying to him, he never listens to any refutal of his ridiculous posts & just keeps repeating the same bulls**t.
Maybe he is a computer, programmed by the Argentine govt!
362 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
@359

It was at east a humanitarian gesture, unlike the UK or USA that OPENLY welcomed nazi criminal scientists after the war, to submit their own people and others to gross medical experiments and to use Nazi knowledge to oppress other countries through military advancement.

Yes they are our territorial waters, anything up to 17km offsore are our waters... not yours you neo-colonialist brit.
363 reality check (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
Joseph MENGELE or Werner Von BRAUN, know which one of those two deserves to burn in the ever lasting flame pits of hell, if such a place exists.

Also know who it was that gave him the shelter that allowed him to live for another forty years and it was not the US or the UK.
364 ElaineB (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
@353 Yeah, he is supposed to have lived out his days in The Eden Hotel, near Cordoba. I don't know how possible that could be but a number of high profile Nazi's did flee to and live in Argentina after the war. The Holocaust Museum in Buenos Aires has a lot of evidence anyone can see. (I visited and it is very interesting). When things got a bit uncomfortable in Argentina, some moved on to Paraguay.

Interesting place, Cordoba. Some of President Roca's descendants live near there. I had a very interesting conversation with one of them. I remember seeing a picture of him with Kissinger hanging on his wall and decided to grill him over a bottle of wine late one night. Most revealing. How Argentines love to talk.
365 dab14763 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
308 Malvinero1

Ah yes Shadow. He said uti possidetis only applied to conquered territories. As proof of his argument he gave a link to a forum where he said the same thing, but there offered no supporting evidence. In other words he was simply quoting himself. And he referred to the Treaty of Breda 1667, which not only doesn't support his position, it actually contradicts it.

Argentina has not made 5 requests for arbitration, it has made only one.

The protest of 1884 was by the UK to Argentina, not by Argentina to the UK, over the publication of an Argentine map which included the Falklands as part of Argentina. As a consecuence of that British protest Argentina asked for the dispute to be settled. There was correspondence between 1884 and 1885 over this request which ended in the single request for arbitration, in 1888, which Argentina didn't follow up on.

340 Malvinense 1833

Spanish occupation was limited to Port Louis.And in 1648 Spain accepted that its territories were those it occupied. And the UK didn't abandon the Falklands. It withdrew the garrison, but there were frequent British visits to the islands.

It's irrelevant that there was a 3rd signatory to the 1849 treaty. Plenty of peace treaties involve more than 2 countries

357 Nostrolldamus The 5th

Could you please explain why the UK would need an enclave in Mar del Plata, which is about 770nmi away, to prevent overfishing near the Falklands when it could much more easily do it from the Falklands. In any case the UK government doesn't patrol fishing around the Falklands. The Falklands Government does.
366 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
I'm not talking about Falkland territorial waters, which I personally respect. I'm taking that the UK (and others) want to take “real” argentine territory... like in the mainland or Tierra del Fuego.
367 dab14763 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
Nobody wants to take Argentine territory.
368 reality check (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Nosey

Hang on a minute, rewind! let's get this straight, aside from the Falkland Islands, you saying that the UK has territorial ambitions over Argentina???
369 Islander1 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Axel- Your President at the UN 24 Committee last year stated IN PUBLIC that she would be happy to sit down and talk - for a start, to get talks going - without Sovereignty being on the Agenda!
Yet she refuses to accept the invitation from the Islands Govt to sit down with her Govt and do just that! These are all issues that are 100% under the control of the Islands Elected Govt and not UK. eg - fisheries conservation- hydrocarbons co-operation and joint zone areas-communications- tourism- trade- co-operation and goodwill in general, etc etc .
WHAT are you prattling on about?

But CFK has a problem - to agree to the above means that she has to admit that we Islanders actually exist, and have the same democratic human rights as Argentine people do!

You say Sov has to be on the Agenda at the start! Answer me this- A large and aggressive bully is demanding you hand over your home to him- he is making is difficult for you to get in and out of the street and also for you to receive visitors and trade with other people and threatens that if the Policeman leaves your door - then he will break in.(Your Defence Minister has stated publically that your forces would invade again if the British withdrew).

Would you be prepared to sit down with the bully guy and discuss ownership - who states that he wants your house and could not give a damn about you as you have no rights .
Please answer Yes - or No?

362- the Joint Fisheries Conservation Agreement covered waters OUTSIDE both Arg and FI Territorial limits!! Get your facts straight! It even had a “nomans-land” buffer zone in the middle so neither siode.s patrol vessels would come face-to-face! But both sides had the right of armed hot persuit of an illegal boat into the other,s zone right up to the territorial limit.
370 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
@Islander1, We are wasting our time with these Argentine idiots they are to far gone down brainwashed street.
371 Britninja (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
@366 Thanks but we'll pass. We have enough issues to sort out in our own country without taking on a dysfunctional mess like Argentina. Clean your own villas miserias up.
372 reality check (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
Nosey

You did not answer the question, I was only asking because, that would actually explain a lot of mysterious goings on around MPA.

The secret tunneling that's been going on for the last 30 years (Always wondered what they did with the channel tunnel equipment?) don't tell me your intelligence people have not noticed that Longdon and Tumbledown are getting higher (the spoils been put there under the cover of darkness, trick we learned in the Offlags.) Only 20 more miles to Patagonia.

Of course, if your aircraft were able to overfly the Islands, they would have spotted the 1st, 3rd and 7th Armoured Brigades in hidding, in strategic places around the island, usually in buildings with the red cross on the roof (Trick we learned from you.)

I know you think I am bullshitting, how could all those tanks get on the islands unobserverved. You do not think you orchestrated the cruise ship embargo do you. MI6 mate, MI6! they come ashore at night, when the passengers are sleeping.

Tomorrow Argentina, und zen zee rest of ze vorld!!!!!!!!!!!
373 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
@Islander1, We are wasting our time with these Argentine idiots they are to far gone down brainwashed street. andy and Co..AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!!
374 Shed-time (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
@372 Those secret tunnels are probably just the Stanley underground being built for the sheep.
375 reality check (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
No, the other tunnels, what's matter with you man, everyone knows the sheeps use the Circle Line!
376 andy65 (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
@Malvinero1 ,Falkland Islands Flag flying over Stanley British Sovereighnty in place nothing will be changing GET USE TO IT, LIVE WITH IT
377 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 01st, 2013 - 11:31 pm Report abuse
332 Joe Bloggs
Boooring, I am not Mike B. nor I have a drop of British blood in my veins(thank God).
Never lived in your country(visited a few days in the past), nor I post in British papers, some here did for me in the past though.
Proud to be Argentino.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=p535FXlyhk8

Troy Tempest, sorry to hear about your dad Gerry, making proud and honor him closing your wooden mouthpiece.
378 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 12:13 am Report abuse
@357 Nozzy
“The fisheries “agreement” with the Faklands was a facade used by the United Kingdom to eventually take away territorial waters away from Argentina, by using any possible violations by Argentina as an excuse for uniteteral patrol of argentines waters to “prevent” overfishing that could harm the Falklands. Eventually that would have lead to some sort of territorial enclave around Mar del Plata years down the line. That's how the British have always tried to gain territory around the world. ”
If, as you say, that is how ALL the agreements between Arg. and foreigners work out, you must have been really easy to dupe over and over again.
What parts of 'real' Argentina have you lost??

@345 Axel
“ but it doesn't mean that the three parts can't find a solution for the sovereignty which satisfies all the parts, ”

A moot point, as Argentina will not speak with the islanders. Argentina is trying to negotiate with the wrong body altogether.
It would be similar to BP negotiating with Spain's Repsol to take over operations of YPF. I imagine you would want a say in it :-)

@Marcos
The parallels between you and ALEX PH are remarkable. You are both feeling angry and inadequate, living amongst the culture and people of a benevolent and gracious host.
You both also seem to have a fear of Jews and Homosexuals LOL.
To top it off, you both seem to have lost your moral compass down a dark smelly place.
You really are two peas in a pod, the angry ranting dogma spewing, lower-echelon Trolls. You make “ProARG” look good!

Have a good year. WE will!!!
379 reality check (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 12:15 am Report abuse
MA
Your english grammar and spelling seems to have dropped below your usual standard. Call me a cynical, but you seem to be faking! Boring spelled wrong, connections omitted! not your usual high standard.

Love your use of the English word “Dad” though, learn that on the couple of days you spent here, did you? Not many people, learning English, academically, would know, that “Dad” was the colloquial English word for father.

Foreigners, living or having lived here would absolutely know it though. Just has they would know that “Mum” was the colloquial English word for mother.

Nice try MA.
380 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 12:29 am Report abuse
@379
Well spotted, Reality, and exactly right!!
381 andy65 (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 12:39 am Report abuse
@reality check Nice to see you smoked that piece of shit Marcos Alejandro good job.
382 reality check (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 12:49 am Report abuse
Troy
Got no beef with any Rg who wants to stick up for what he thinks is right, he or she is as much entitled to his or her opinions as I am, or you are. That's the beauty of the internet.

However, to my mind, any person who has taken refuge here, lived in total safety amongst us, been treated as one of us and been afforded all the freedoms that we have and then has the audacity to criticise us that way, is despicable, beyond words.

We do not expect gratitude from those need help, but I think we are at least entitled to have a modicum of respect for our way of life, history and traditions.

Maybe he is not the same MA, but this old coppers bones doubt it very much!
383 Monty69 (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 12:54 am Report abuse
373 Malvinero1

Thanks Mal, this has to be one of the funniest ever MP moments. Someone calls you a brainwashed idiot, and your reply......

''AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!!''

Hilarious.

377 Marcos Alejandro

Loving the comedy poor English. You are coming over a bit 'Yoda' though. You probably need to take it back a few notches.
384 ynsere (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 12:57 am Report abuse
Article by Dr. J. Stanham MBE of the British Hospital, Montevideo

Back To The Falkland Islands
After nearly 11 years, I was invited to the Falklands for
a second visit. This time, the week I would spend there
had more to do with medical matters than tourism. I
was to work with the local healthcare authorities on
Uruguay’s and especially the British Hospital’s capacity
to ably respond to the urgent and immediate needs
of critical patients, as we have done in the past. The
changes that have happened in the past decade in the
South Atlantic also required that we jointly update our
medical relationship with the islands, which has existed
for the greater part of the last hundred years.
This time I would travel in November, as opposed to
my first visit, which took place in February. I expected
the weather to be cooler this time and I searched
www.AccuWeather.com for the information. It took me
longer than expected to find the Falkland Islands in the
website, but eventually discovered them under ‘South
America’. Even with the long detour flight via Santiago
and Punta Arenas and then to Mount Pleasant airfield, I
was to remain within the South American region during
all of my trip.
It takes virtually 24 hours from home in Montevideo
to Stanley. Mount Pleasant airfield is about 60 km west
of the islands’ capital, a van trip of about one hour, to be
added to the duration of the flight times, not counting
an overnight stay in Santiago. The flight climaxes on
its last short 1:15 hour leg, from Punta Arenas to the
Falklands, when the westernmost reaches of West
Falkland appear on the window: barren, with very few
roads and a house or settlement every now and then.
Once on the ground, I took the van ride to Stanley,
enjoying the rolling hills, the inlets, the ‘stone runs’,
the distant view of settlements and signs of scattered
human activity, on a virtually treeless landscape. I got
off the van and into the hotel, appropriately named the
Waterfront, on Ross Road, close to the la
385 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 01:00 am Report abuse
European/North Americans are always looking for others land, metal, and water. Period. Just the depraved nature of these people. Never changed, never will change.
386 reality check (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 01:07 am Report abuse
Nosey
Zee Shtukas arrive on zee islands next veek! Pleez deestroy zis messarg on rezeept. oder zee feelthy english schweinhunds might unterzept it. Ve vill destroy zer plans to invade ze glorious muzzeland, zee foul vorld dominatrixes vill not zukzeed/

Last one, bored now, thinks I've given his twisted mind enough to think about.
387 Monty69 (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 01:27 am Report abuse
385 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#)

OK you win. You aren't a sad twisted paranoid wierdo. You're right; the British will be along shortly to invade your country to steal your water. The best thing you can do is build an underground bunker and live in it. And don't whatever you do use the internet. As you know, the British secret service can use it to spy on you through the screen.
388 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 01:30 am Report abuse
The methods are insiduous, and I learned them all in our Euro-American Imperialism class in school. I.e, IMF, WB, UN, NATO, “peace keeping”, anti-terrorism, Drug war, Global Warming, etc.

All methods to conquer Argentina.
389 Monty69 (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 01:33 am Report abuse
388 Nostrolldamus The 5th

''Euro-American Imperialism class''??? Now I know you're taking the piss.

Anyway, I told you, I believe you. I doubt we'll be seeing you any more once the invasion starts, but it's been great knowing you.
390 reality check (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 01:41 am Report abuse
Lads! the pennies just dropped, noseys winding us up!!!!

Damn! ferkin hate it when that happens!!!!!!!!!

Nice one nosey.

Nosey, go back to squitting vitrious faeces from your anal thesaurus, would you please, more accustomed to that.
391 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 01:49 am Report abuse
@382 Reality

“We do not expect gratitude from those need help, but I think we are at least entitled to have a modicum of respect for our way of life, history and traditions.”

Yes, Reality, I do agree, no gratitude is required. This is especially true if they came with their parents and it was not up to them.
It's likely they no nothing else , anyway.

However, to pretend they are our friend while they criticise and undermine us, is not on.
They are entitled to their views, opinions, and judgements. No thought police here.
They can speak their minds in a straight forward manner, but don't skulk and hide.
If you cannot reconcile yourself to our culture and values, please be honest and go join your own culture instead of betraying our friendship and trust.

I honestly believe that the idealistic PH ALEX VARGAS hates us, is scared to go to Argentina, and even if he could go, he could not re-enter Canada. “Trapped”, in enemy territory, so to speak.
The tragedy for him is that his mental illness makes him live outside of society - owns nothing, no credit. He lives outside of the society he despises, yet surrounds him. He is in limbo and does not engage.
392 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 02:09 am Report abuse
383 Monty69
I am not sure what do you mean, I speak your language and a few more however I am still learning and I am not faking one way or another.
What really surprise me is how many monolinguals British get shock when they see anybody else speaking more than one language, inferiority complex perhaps?
393 reality check (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 02:16 am Report abuse
Troy
If the photograph of PH posted on the links here is him, he looks to be about 30 years old + or - a year or two. Which means there's a high probability that PH was taken to Canada as ayoung child, or even born there.

Why do I say that? well what was happening in Argentina 30 + years ago. I do not know much about Canadian immigration, but I am willing to bet, that thirty years ago, Canada was taking in political refugees? Perhaps a Canadian, other than PH, could answer that. I would not be suprised, Canada is a great country and would be likely to do so.

Yet another Rg, who ran away for a better life and seems to glorify the one he left behind!
394 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 02:41 am Report abuse
Just keep away northern foreign-fiends. Just keep away. Go pillage some other countries, like Iraq or Afghanistan.

Oh wait.
395 reality check (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 03:21 am Report abuse
Marcos

Still reading the telegraph.

Night Marcos.
396 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 03:25 am Report abuse
dab: You runned away from the discussion with Dr Shadow..You lost in ZM,also...Argentina asked uk to settle the dispute by a court of law,6 times at least(may be more)....1850 convention of SETTLEMENET did not settle the Malvinas issue...NO!!!Shadow explained brilliantly to you! dab,you vanished after.....
397 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 03:25 am Report abuse
@reality

Again, I think you are bang on.

PH himself, 6mos. ago said that he was brought from Arg in the 80's by his family because the government 'pirates' were stealing things, or something to that effect.
I put him in his mid to late 30's.

From his profile on FB, he was brought up and educated in a neighbourhood of poorer immigrant families, some in social housing.

I can imagine 30 years ago, as a visible minority with poor language skills, he had a tough time integrating. Esp. since adolescents can be very cruel to those who don't fit in.

According to “Ken Ridge” on here, Alex is an illegal immigrant.
Therefore, he could not engage in society or travel elsewhere, if he wanted to return to Canada where his family is.

Frustrating for him
398 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 04:55 am Report abuse
They announced the completion of the booklet “Our Islands, Our History”, they say now.

A few years ago they were pressing to change their own official British history when almost agree with Argentina's claims to the territory.
So, in a few words the official British history about Malvinas was replaced by a booklet written by a couple of paid “historians”, lovely.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/7331547/Official-British-history-of-the-Falklands-War-is-considered-too-pro-Argentina.html
399 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 05:09 am Report abuse
@398 Marcos ingrate Alejandro

Thx for the article. It lays out clearly why the history was further researched and revised.

Very clearly the story reinforces the British position with proper research. No point giving the ENEMY room to cause doubt by vague reporting of events in the earlier versions.
If this is to be accepted as a document of events, the facts need to be accurate.

Sorry, MA , clutch at another straw :-)
400 War Monkey (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 08:49 am Report abuse
398 Marcos Alejandro (#)
Jan 02nd, 2013 - 04:55 am

www.google.co.uk/search?q=shooting+yourself+in+the+foot&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=bPTjUOT9GIbS0QW594HYCw&sqi=2&ved=0CDgQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=644
401 ElaineB (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 09:30 am Report abuse
@390 Yes, he is. He is not even Argentine.
402 Islander1 (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 09:38 am Report abuse
Its sad but amusing that whenever an Arg contributor is put on the spot and faced with a yes or no answer following a silly statement they have made, they run and dissappear for a while!
2012 was a good year for the Falklands and we seem to have made some ground and are finding cracks in the Arg international position with CFK definatley not getting her way internationally. Expect tomorrow will bring the usual diretribe about “userpations” and an eviction that never was though! It would be boring if they didnt!
I,d laugh if Clarin, as a riposte, went and published the real Arg records of who left and who did not in 1833 though!
403 Musky (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 10:05 am Report abuse
Indeed, the argentine contributers are so keen to get the falklands they've entirely forgotten that they have n0 rationality in their claim. to go back to 1833 boundaries would see the disappearance of many countries and the reconstitution of the various empires including the biggest.. britain's. argentina wants its own way all the time, irrespective of international law or historical legitimacy.
404 Anglotino (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 11:19 am Report abuse
@398 Marcos Alejandro

Oh wow! Talk about an own goal!

You probably don't even realise that you just negated most of your own arguments. Jajaja. But thank you for that link further proving that historical documents and proof exists to back up Britain's claim.

Don't you wish Argentina had historians with principles that helped a government to publish corrections to official histories when they have been proven wrong.

Here's a new English phrase for you: backfire.

Thanks again.
405 Anbar (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
“”Lads! the pennies just dropped, noseys winding us up!!!! “””

sadly not, hes just indoctrinated, deluded and totally naive about the world outside of his box.
406 Britninja (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
Which is it Tobi? Are you a wind-up merchant or a bona fide loon? ;)
407 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
TTT posts too much other drivel and mad self-directed ramblings to be just a wind-up artist.
That may be his intent when he is in a corner or has nothing to post otherwise, but he's a nut case.

Funny how each of his statements is designed to elicit a response instead of solidly make a case.
He lives for the attention and interaction on this forum.
He is obviously seriously indoctrinated though.
408 ElaineB (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
There is no way an adolescent living in a basement in Mendoza, claiming he has never travelled, and learned to speak numerous languages by watching soap operas, could speak English the way he does. And I don't mean his stupid, cobbled-together, archaic, thesaurus speak. He uses that as a cover.

If TTT really knew Argentina, he would be able to discuss it in detail. He uses the 'I don't discuss domestic politics with foreigners' because he can't. If he did, the genuine residents in Argentina would see he is fibbing. Very early on he started discussing Buenos Aires with me but it was clear he had virtually no knowledge of the place so he claimed he 'didn't care' about BsAs and changed the subject.

The only thing TTT craves is attention. I find him amusing but don't take him seriously, he is not what he claims to be at all. He does stir up discussion, I'll give him that.
409 Shed-time (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
@408 I'm still saying he's a language leech using this forum as english corner. I'm still saying he's probably asian (indian, chinese, etc).
410 ElaineB (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
@409 That is possible. I think he probably visited Mendoza at some time. He refuses to give his ethnic origin. I don't know why, he could lie about it.

He is certainly a social outcast with a gigantic chip on his shoulder and severe paranoia. He doesn't date or go out much. But, then again, this could all be bollocks.
411 Raven (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
@410 It does make you wonder about his true location, and your observations about him seem pretty good to me.
412 Room101 (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
Any recipes submitted to the booklet by Argentina? What about some Peace Pudding.
413 Britninja (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
@412 Half-Baked Argie Mess and Turkeyneck's Prune Tart for dessert.
414 Anbar (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
“ It does make you wonder about his true location, ”

it doesnt me.

there about 3 or 4 fakes on here who all use the same rabidly-indoctirnated approach and none of them seem to represent anything anything other than their own naivety and delusions.

make the effort to read real Argentine posters tho~, not the odd malvenista loon, but the genuine Argentines who get swamped-out by these sock-puppets and paid stooges.

One just has to bear in mind that it is the sole purpose of these stooges to drwon-out the legitimate Argentine positions and feelings, and to bury the truth of history behind their own pitifully weal version of history.

You will, as perfectly shown in this thread, rarely if ever see them defend their stance or claims, but just obfuscate and side-track instead. THe entire “all british people suck” is just one proven method to sidetrack views away from the real issues and to bury legitimate discussion or the opinions of South Americans who are, from my experience, sick and tired of their politics being clouded by a ranty-whiny child posing as a legitimate government.

they're more sick and tired of malvinistas than anybody else is...and i dont blame them.
415 yankeeboy (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
414. I am with you on that! I have never met an Rg that wouldn't give up their 1st born to get out of that horrible country and into the USA. In the many years I lived there I never met 1 that hated the USA as much as some of the fake posters on this board.
416 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
So, what do we do, ignore TTT?

That might create some really interesting efforts from him to try and get a response. Heh heh heh. :-)

It would stop much of the diversions and Off topic posting.
417 ElaineB (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 06:03 pm Report abuse
@ 416 He has as much right as anyone to post here and I guess we choose who we respond to or not. I was just airing my thoughts about him which might be worth considering when he posts some of his nonsense.

Personally, I like the diversity of opinion but skip over the nutty posts.
418 Pete Bog (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
@398
The British did not stick their head in the sand and and reject the Falkland Islanders concerns did they?

The BBC website's version of history (1833) was wrong last year so I sent them an e-mail asking how well they had researched real history,asking them to withdraw or prove their comments. They withdrew certain innaccurate comments within 2 days of getting the e-mail, as they could not substantiate them, and acknowledged that I was right (I provided them with historical evidence provided on these posts).

In Argentina this would be unthinkable. Any academics in Argentina who question their country's history are condemned, as Argentines want to specfically avoid scrutinising history because they know it does not back up their sovereignty claim for the Falklands.

Your link Marcos, only shows that when British get the history of the Falkland Islands wrong and they are presented with evidence showing it is innacurate they correct it.

I presume this is the point you make, as this is what your link shows.
419 Shed-time (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
@417 what about the fruity posts?
420 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
@417
You understand too, that if we don't reply we'll get the attention-getting, “talk me down from the ledge” posts

:-)
421 axel arg (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
ISLANDER1. TROY TEMPEST. REALITY CHECK.
I answer your comments because unless with you i can have a mature debate, i won't answer the comments of people who just insult, or make miserable comparisons. I have already wasted so much time with those people. You all know what i think about how our govt. should handle this question, i have already told you in different oportunities that the islanders should be included in the proposal of dialogue that c. f. k. expresses often before international forums. However, you all insist with not recognizing your own intransigence, you just complain about the hard decisions that our govt. took, but at the same time, you have always expressed that you are not disposed to talk about sovereignty which is the main problem, in fact, you have never manifested that in case that our govt. decides to dialogue with you, you would be disposed to discuss about the sovereignty, so, for you there is also just one outcome. C. f. k's govt. is absolutly temporal, like all the governments around the world, in fact she will leave office in 2015, and there won't be any constitutional reform, because shes doesn't have enough support in both chambers, so, my question is, if a next government proposes you to dialogue with you about different issues, would you accept to discuss about a fair solution for the sovereignty?.
On the other hand, i would like to know what were the real consequences in the islands, of the hard that our govt. took, i read on the news that despite the mesures of our govt., the isladns are going through a prosperous economic moment, am i correctly informed?. Maybe some day, you learn to have enough intellectual honesty in order to discuss about politic issues, that day, you'll recognize that actually both parts aren't acting correctly in some aspects. The solution for the sovereign conflict, which is the main problem, can depend mostly on the wishes of just one of the parts.
422 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
@421 Axel

As I said, it's a moot point. CFK ( read: Argentine Government) does not want to include the Islanders in any “dialogue”, and has not responded to them.

All your hypothetical scenarios are non- starters.

You sound desperate to have the FI surrender their SELF-Determination for something less. Why would they?
423 agent999 (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
Surely, after 180 years, the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands should be decided by the people living on the Islands!

They, alone, should decide their own future.
424 Joe Bloggs (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
Troy Tempest and agent999

Thanks for all of your support.
425 redpoll (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
All this bullshit about Argentinas claim to the Falklands as succesors of Spain is just that. The last seat of the Viceroyalty of Rio de La Plata was MONTEVIDEO under viceroy Francisco Javier de Elio and so by that logic the Falklands are URUGUAYAN.
And BTW werent some Uruguayans expelled in the 1833 incident?
So Falklanders stand to for a one man invasion to recover our soveriegnty. Please dont shoot him. He is very old and is called Pepe. Just give him a nice flower garden to cultivate and hell be happy
426 Islander1 (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
Axel- you have not ansered my question as regards the scase of the little person in his house being threatened by a big bully who says he wants to take it over.
Please read it again and answer honestly. This is where we are today - you do not sit down and discuss peace and theories with a bully when he is jumping all about threatening and harassing your life!

As to what has CFK achieved - yes our economy is fine, Oil Development is now getting underway in 2014 in a big way. Tourism is under threat but despite CFK it is continuing and large ships are calling in here.
CFK has made life more difficult here and more expensive in some ways and yes in some aspects developments like in Tourism are limited because of her attitude.
But we do not give in to Blackmail - that is what she fails to understand.
What CFK has achieved is she has united the people of the Islands - young and old - into a deep dislike and distrust of your people and your country - one which will take many years to forget.
I repeat- CFK said she wants to just sit and talk with Sov not on the Agenda - The Islands have said they will sit down and talk without Sov on the agenda - she refuses to accept their invitation - this is a FACT!
427 lsolde (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
@421 Axel,
Vive l'intransigence!
What you mean by intransigence, Axel, is that we do as you want!
lsn't going to happen,
we will not do as you want.
This is OUR land, NOT yours & you have NO RIGHTS here.
Therefor dear Axel, we will NOT “negotiate” our Sovereignty.
l don't think you're getting the message, poor Axel.
lf you like l will repeat it everyday just for you? no?
Yes, you are correct, for us there is only one outcome when it comes to Argentine belligerence & colonisation-we don't want you, Argentina.
But have a good evening anyway, Axel.
428 Joe Bloggs (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
421 axel

Like islander1 says, the Falkland Islands Government is ready to talk to the CFK Government whenever she wishes. She even has (unless she through it away) a letter from our government requesting such a meeting. She refuses to acknowledge our government. What's she afraid of? It's only talk.

There are many times when permission is necessary from the Falklands for some activity that the Argentine Government would like to engage in (planning permission for the Arg cememtery, flight permissions, discussions about another air carrier, etc). CFK's Government sends such permission requests to the UK Government every time. Do you know what happens (I hope you're reading this too Commander)? Every time it happens the UK Government refers the matter to the Falklands Government to be handled, quite rightly, by us directly.

Your president is playing a dumb game of pseudo-ignorance. Wake up!
429 redpoll (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
Gerraway Joe. You should be talking to our Pepe instead. He will probabably insist that all flights bound for MPA stopover in Montevideo for revictualing. You might offer him a partnership to modernise our decrepit oil refinery while you are at it so as you can process all that black goo you are hoping for at it
Psst............ dont talk to him while his missus is around or la Topalansky will have a hissy fit and go into hysterics with CFK and hit old Pepe with a frying pan
430 Joe Bloggs (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
429 redpoll

We're only too happy to continue to grow our commerce links with Uruguay. A scheduled flight from Monetvideo would be nice too.

I really thought CFK was going to stop the LAN flights last January. Remember? That was when she was off on her last summer medical crisis. we have an alternate ready for if and when that does happen.
431 redpoll (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
No way was the LAN flight going to be stopped. Who was the principal shareholder in Lan until he “sold” his holdings on taking office as President Pinero of Chile. Glad you have an alternative plan- wont ask you what it is!
Maybe you should talk to Sr Lopez Mena of BQB airlines. He is a businessman who would sell his soul to the Devil if he could make a profit on the deal
432 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 11:26 pm Report abuse
:)
433 Lord Ton (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/another-anniversary-another-claim-to-the-falklands/

Round and round we go :-)
434 redpoll (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
Our wee seer seems to be speechless @432!
Joe just to progress with an idea. There are seven quite new Bombadier aircraft sitting on the tarmac at Montevideo airport as the result of the bankcruptsy of the national airline PLUNA on which the Uruguayan govt owes U$D137million to the Scotia Bank plus interest. The govt is trying to form a cooperative from the dismissed staff and they are strapped for cash. I think the Bombadier has five hours flying time but would have to check on that. Might be a germ of an idea to put to FIG? maybe?
435 agent999 (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9776580/David-Cameron-must-return-Falklands-to-Argentina-Cristina-Kirchner-demands-in-open-letter.html
436 Steveu (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
This appeared in today's Telegraph. There was no opportunity to comment on the article - I don't know how this form of censorship is decided. I can understand it in the case of sub judice and other legal matters. Apparently CFK has got off her sick bed after her recent attack of the “vapours” (or whatever) and placed an advert in the Grauniad. I felt that the DT writer hadn't done his homework regarding British sovereignty prior to 1833. Whilst it was careful to put the Argentine claims in quotes, it didn't emphasise the full historical situation.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9776580/David-Cameron-must-return-Falklands-to-Argentina-Cristina-Kirchner-demands-in-open-letter.html
437 redpoll (#) Jan 02nd, 2013 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
Tango 1 to Cuba to be at her chums bedside! But does she dare leave the country?
438 Raven (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:02 am Report abuse
The 1965 caper was rejected by Argentina by invading in 1982. The silly mare is really clutching at straws now. She, along with her husband, completely reversed the wise opinion of Carlos Menem that Argentina should play the long game and establish nice relations. If it wasn't for having a crap military, I'd bet she would be planning a second invasion, something that has had a scenario discussed on the Torygraph website with the use of a civilian airliner landing 200 SF troops to take MPA.

This from the BBC about the 30 year rule release of official documents from 1982 was fascinating to hear. Nicholas Ridley virtually giving Argentina the Islands, which of course, the Argentines couldn't wait for, behaving like a spoilt kid in a toy shop. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pgksh

For the Malvinistas, if you are SO SURE of your claim to the Islands, then go to the ICJ with your irrefutable proof. ie, put up or shut up. Otherwise, leave the Islanders alone, they have done no harm to Argentina.
439 redpoll (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:07 am Report abuse
Yes I see space has been bought in the “Gruinard” to publish its letter
440 andy65 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:34 am Report abuse
Spending Argentine tax payers money on pointles rants and lies in British newspapers with a photo that resembles a baboons arse is nothing more than embarrassing.
441 you are not first (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:05 am Report abuse
I love the so called Independence( The flag speak by itself: The Queen servants and her spoiled children. I do not mean you whoever Brit is reading this. You are another servant) Malvinas claimed by British descendants who are renting for free our Islands? You are better than Monty Pyton
442 redpoll (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:27 am Report abuse
@441 Ho ho ho.... another troll has emerged from its rock. Or is it an old one that has changed its name? Monty Pyton? Watch “the Hobbit” and you will see how trolls speaka de proper
443 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:41 am Report abuse
@441 hewer knot thirst

A new troll suddenly appears!

A co-ordinated “attack”, or has “Sussie” returned with new name??

Yawn. Falk off, troll!!!

Happy Anniversary Falklanders.
444 redpoll (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:06 am Report abuse
@443 No troy, I think it takes its name from the Desert War when an argentine officer ruonded up a group of indigenous women and when a grandmother protested about thier future treatment told her “Wait your turn: you are not the first”
445 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:10 am Report abuse
@444

Particularly vile, then.

Only these inhuman pigs could think this way.
446 Anglotino (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:04 am Report abuse
What is especially funny about this name is how well it fits into the British history:

First landing:
Britain 1690
Spain 1767
Argentina 1820
You are not first!

First claim of sovereignty:
Britain 1690
Spain 1767
Argentina 1820
You are not first!

First settlement:
Britain 1766
Spain 1767
Argentina NEVER
You are not first!

First to take to ICJ:
Britain 1955
Argentina NEVER
You are not first!

First to take to hold a referendum:
Britain 2013
Argentina NEVER
You are not first!

Oh hang on a minute.
First to militarily expel an entire settlement by force:
Spain 1770
Britain NEVER
So Spain got across the line for a first.
But not Argentina, so still no first.

So great name. Hope you keep posting with so I keep reminding you why you are indeed not first.
447 lsolde (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:11 am Report abuse
@441 you are (definitely) not first.
They are not your lslands.
They are ours & we don't have to rent them from anyone because WE own them, NOT you.
448 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:18 am Report abuse
@446 they weren't even original in being the first to be a fascist nation whinging about wanting to steal someone else's land.

Can't even invent their own history properly.
449 LEPRecon (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
@441

If your claim is so solid why don't you prove it by putting your money where your mouth is and take it to the International Court of Justice?

You won't because of these simple facts:

In 1833 Argentina did not exist. The United Provinces of the River Plate set up an illegal MILITARY penal colony on the British territory of the Falkland Islands. Said UP soldiers mutinied and murdered their commanding officer, raped his wife, and HMS Clio then turned up and removed these dangerous men, who were a threat to the peaceful colony that had been on the Islands for several years prior to 1833.

These colonists happily stayed under British rule. No British military presence stayed on the Islands after the illegal UP troops were removed.

The UP did NOTHING! In other words they accepted the situation.

Charles Darwin described the people of the Falklands in his diary during his voyage on the Beagle in the 1835, who according to your twisted view of history were expelled. How could he describe them if they weren't there?

So in short the Falkland Islands have NEVER been Argentine.

You DIDN'T inherit them from Spain. It's impossible for you to have. Why? Because the UK and Spain shared joint sovereignty until the 1840's when Spain dropped it's claim and SALUTED the British flag in recognition of British sovereignty.

Spain REFUSED to recognise the UP's independence, then refused to recognised Argentina's independence UNTIL the 1860's!

So Spain had already RELINQUISHED sovereignty PRIOR to recognising Argentina as an independent country, so as I said it's impossible for Spain to have left you something that didn't belong to them in their 'will'.

There has NEVER been an indigenous population on the Falklands. The original colonists and their decendants have lived on the Falklands for nearly 200 years. So it is THEIR land, not the UK's and certainly not Argentina's.

The ICJ will abide by the UN Charter: self- determination. That's why you won't take it to the ICJ! FACT!
450 axel arg (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
ISLANDER1. TROY TEMPEST. JOE BLOGGS.
I remember about michael summer's letter before the u. n, when he proposed argentina to sit and discuss with them about different issues. However, c. f. k. doesnt include the govt. from the islands in the proposal of dialogue that she asks the u. k before int. forums, and i think it's a big mistake. While it is true that all the u. n. resolutions have always asked arg. and the u. k. to find a peaceful and negotiated solution for this dispute, and never included the govt. from the islands as a third part, i have always thought that beyond what the u. n. manifests respecting this question, our govt. should dialogue with the islanders, and you know that i have said it in all my comments. Anyway, it's necesary to indicate that summers's proposal doesn't include the problem for the sovereignty, which is the main conflict, so, i say AGAIN that for your side, there is also just one outcome. In the same way that c. f. k. has never manifested that she would be disposed to dialogue with the govt. from the island about sovereignty, your side has never manifested either that they would discuss with the argentine govt. in order to find a fair solution that respects the wishes and the interests of the islanders, and the rights that are claimed by argentina, so, accept it or not, the three parts are not acting correctly. I'm really glad to know that despite the hard decisions that our govt. took for the islands, the economy in that place is going fine, but we all should ask our govt. to chnage their attitudes, and try to find together a final solution for the sovereignty that satisfies all the parts. That day, we won't see any hard decison taken by arg., and we won't se either any act provocation by the u. k.
451 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
@450 Well, a) it's not for the UK Government to do anything about the islanders without their permission, other than to protect them. b) the islanders own the land so talk to them. And c) KFC refuses to talk to the islanders.

The sticking point appears to be KFC's lack of desire to talk to the islanders. No one else is acting improperly. PLEASE MAKE SOME SENSE. Thanks.
452 Pete Bog (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 12:21 am Report abuse
@450
If you could prove that Argentina had any strong case to sovereignty other than saying 'it's ours' fair enough, but its based on saying a guy from the USA in 1820 visited and said' its ours', or a guy born in France in 1928 says its ours (even though he agreed it was also British territory), fine but there is no strong case for Argentine sovereignty over the Falkland Islands , so the Islanders actually born in the Islands are not going to negotiate sovereignty with a nation with no birthrights in the Islands.

To put it simply,why should Falkland Islanders born on the islands have sovereignty negotiations with people who were not born on the Islands?
453 shb (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 08:38 am Report abuse
What I find funny about the Argentine claim is that they state that they inherited the islands from Spain. The Spanish purchased the Frnech colony- AFTER the establishment of the British settlement.

To Cement their claim the Spanish then invaded our settlement and forcibly evicted the British settlers............

Just what the Argentines bleat on about us doing now.

To myself, the killer argument about the Falklands is this - all these events took place 180 years ago. It is stupid for Argentina to try and claim the islands again after such a long period of time. All they would be doing is punishing the people who live their now for the imagined sins of their ancestors.

Argentina itself has grown through settlement of new lands and no longer has the same boundaries as in 1833. Most people in the Falklands can trace back their heritage in the islands longer than many or even possibly most Argentines can in South America.

The Falklanders want to be left alone, and the UK will back the wishes of the islanders up, by force, if need be.

CFK is grandstanding to whip up popular support for a govt that is failing, and presciding over a country facing major economic and social crises, so she picks a fight with us to distract the people of Argentina.

Argentina will never get it's hands on the Falklands or their inhabitants, and she knows it. All she is doing is blowing hot air.
454 lsolde (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 11:05 am Report abuse
@450Axel,
Wrong again, Axel.
Of course there is only one outcome for us.
They are OUR lslands NOT yours, so we have no intention of “negotiating” our Sovereignty with the Argentine government.
So glad that you, at last realise this.
Good, we're making some progress.
And it is a fair solution, dear Axel, it respects our wishes & re-inforces the fact that the Argentine Government & nation have NO RIGHTS here!
Thank you, Axel.
455 axel arg (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
PETE BOG. SHED-TIME.
Respecting the historic aspects, i said i many oportunities that actualy both parts tell only what is convenient for them, i have never believed in our official history, thats' why i have decided to investigate about the veracity of the arguments of both parts of the conflict, in an article published yesterday in mercopress, which headline is, brief history of the falklands since....., i explain in my comment 9 what i think about the arguments of both countries.
In relation to the actual situation of the conflict, i respect what you think about it, but i dont agree with mostly you said in your comments. The solution for this conflict can't depend mostly on the wishes of just one of the parts, specialy when the u. n has never invoked self determination for this cause, like it did for others colonial situations, beside, it has always considered the malvinas-falkland cause like a special colonial situation, and never included the islanders as a third part in the conflict, all the u. n. resolutions asked arg. and the u. k. to find a negotiated and peacefeul solution for this conflict, we can't ignore that the sovereignty is the main problem. Anyway, beyond what the u. n. manifests respecting this cause, i have always said also that our govt. should propose the govt. from the islands to dialogue with them, and try to find a solution for the sovereign conflict. In the same way that i have always expressed that c. f. k's govt. commits a mistake, because she doesn't propose the govt. from the islands to dialogue with them, in order to find a fair solution for all the parts, the govt. from the islands is not acting correctly either, i know that you don't acept this, but the point is that they have never expressed that they would be disposed to dialogue with our govt., in order t find a fair solution for the sovereign conflict, so, acept it or not, they are being as intransigent, as the part that they accuse.
456 ProRG_American (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:14 pm
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457 Pete Bog (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:37 pm Report abuse
@455

“when the u. n has never invoked self determination for this cause,”
Ok Axel:
This is a quote from UN resolution 2065.

” bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas); ”

The provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations do include Self -Determination.

It clearly states here ' bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations'.

It does not say ' ignoring the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations'.

It also does not say 'bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations except for that of self-determination.'

The provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations do include Self -Determination.

So can you explain Axel, how you claim that the UN has refused the right of self-determination for this case when the Charter of the United Nations definately includes the right to self determination, and does anything in the part of the resolution I have not quoted justify your statement which I have quoted at the top of this post?
458 axel arg (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
PETE BOG.
I read planty of resolutions from the u. n., and there is not any of them which expresses that self determination must be applied for this cause, in fact i read others resolutions about different colonial situations where self determination was invoked, if you don't believe me, you can search them on the website of the u. n. On the other hand, you'll see that there is not any resolution which expresses: application of self determination for the malvinas-falkland cause, like it happens with others colonial situations. Beside, none resolution includes the islanders as a third part. Anyway, i don't reject your argument, because what you say about resolution 1514, and resolution 2065 is true. But, in the case of resolution 1514, in the same way that it includes self determination, in it's artcile 2, article 6th reffers to territorial integrity, which is one of the bases of our claim.
For being honest, i have always thought that the resolutions should be more specific, they should say if self determination is applicable or not, otherwise they might be opened to different interpretations.
On the other hand, i have always thought that if the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., and asked both nations to find a negotiate and peaceful solution for this dispute, taking into account resolutions 2065 , and 1514 and the principles of the charter of the u. n., it means that the wishes of the islanders, and the claims by arg. must be taken into account, in order o find a solution, not just the wishes of the population from the islands.
459 redpoll (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 12:59 am Report abuse
Axel ,
I think you are intelligent and open to ideas unlike some of your rg colleagues on these blogs. For the past 40 years Britain has tried to divest itself of the remnants of empire on the basis of self determination. The falklanders are a self sustaining independent community who are entitled to choose thier way of life on the islands they have lived on for many generations. It is THIER wishes for thier future which count, nobody elses
If Scotland next year decides to split off from the UK in next years referendum, thier decision will be respected. If parts of Scotland such as the Shetland Islands wish to reman part of the UK that should be respected too
As for your compatriots name calling the Brits pirates and mutineers the Pitcairn Islanders certainly were and all 49 of thier descendants. So the ponderous over salaried members of the UN c24 DECOLONIZATION COMMITTEE endlessly pontificates about thier decolonization. To whom may I ask? There was nobody there when they landed. Bit like the Falklands dispute reduced to absurdity
460 Anglotino (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 11:28 am Report abuse
@458 axel Arg

Try reading the UN Charter if you are looking for self determination.

Though considering how you so quickly pass by article 2 of Resolution 1514 and think it is nullified by article 6 regarding territorial integrity tells me this post won't change much.

At least we know you have no legal training whatsoever.
461 Pete Bog (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
@458
“article 6th reffers to territorial integrity”
Axel-there are 5 other articles before that which appear to support the Islanders.
Do the United Nations disregard these 5 and prefer the 6th?
462 Anglotino (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 11:07 pm Report abuse
@461 Pete

Also what Axel clearly doesn't understand is that this article regarding territorial integrity is not applicable. There are plenty of examples of decolonisation after this declaration where a new country could have been said to disrupt territorial integrity. Singapore and Brunei spring to mind.

It is very common for simple minded people to assume that proximity denotes continuity. And I'm not even going to go into the fact that Chile was once he closest country to the islands and not Argentina.

The amount of importance placed on territorial integrity as a legal doctrine is overblown. It has never been used, not even in the case of Kosovo or South Sudan. However self determination has been used plenty of times.

Should this ever get to the ICJ (doubtful unless done unilaterally), territorial integrity will be quickly dismissed as having little impact.
463 axel arg (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
REDPOLL. PETE BOG. ANGLOTINO.
I have always thought that maybe self determination is applicable for the population from the islands, and for absolutly every people in the world. But for being honest, i have always had doubts in the case of the malvinas-falkland cause, firstly because the u. n has always considered this case, like a special colonial situation, in fact i suggest you reading the statemenet by a councellour from the islands, norma edwards, who complained bofore the u. n. about the way that the decolonization committe considers this cause, and about the lack of application of self determination for the population from the islands, it is very interesting, you can search it in the newsarchive of this website, the date is june 24th 2010.
Anyway, if the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., and asked both countries, arg. and the u. k to resume the negatiations, in order to find a peaceful solution, i think it's because actualy the wishes of the islanders, and the claims by arg. must be taken into account. The u. k. and the govt. from the islands must understand once and for all that discussing about sovereignty, doesn't implicate in absolut a total cession of sovereignty to arg., because that's not what the u. n asks both nations, however it's not imposible to find a fair solution that respects the wishes of islanders, and the claims by arg.
464 redpoll (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
Axel
Your thinking is a bit woolly today
Lets get this straight
The Falklands are a small independent nation and if they want to continue thier association with UK thats thier affair
Argentina has no rights over thier land or thier destiny
The Argentine govt wont even talk to the islanders
Yes there are areas of mutual interest, mineral resources, fisheries, airlinks etc which could be profitably developed to the mutual interest of both countries
But when you deny the Falklanders thier right to exist (now where have I heard that phrase before?)
Argentina will not take thier claim to The ICJ in the Hague Perhaps its time for the Falklanders to do just that and get a ruling

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