Saturday, January 12th 2013 - 12:19 UTC

Second indigenous teenager in a week murdered in the north east of Argentina

Argentine police are investigating a second murder of a member of the Qom indigenous community in less than a week, after a 16-year old died in a Formosa hospital on Thursday after suffering for four days.

Chaco Lieutenant-Governor Bacileff Ivanoff argues there is “no ethnic question” in the province

The victim’s parents reported the death to police, claiming it to have been caused by a “heavy beating,” and affirming the perpetrators were “foreign” to the indigenous community in the north-east of Argentina next to Paraguay.

News of the death came days after a 12-year old Qom child was killed in Villa Río Bermejito, Chaco, and both have been linked to discrimination. Daniel Asijak, who died in the Formosa Central Hospital, was found last Saturday next to his motorcycle and a severe “head wound” lying on the side of Route 86 in the town of La Primavera.

His father, Pablo Asijak, a leading figure in the Formosa Qom community, affirmed: “This was not an accident, I do not believe that.”

Asijak directly contradicted a police report that suggested the young man had “managed to communicate to his mother that an accident had caused his wound,” and that a witness statement supported such testimony.

Laureano Sangachi, the second leader of the Formosa Qom community, revealed that doctors had said that Daniel had “suffered a beating and had a cranial fracture as result of a hard blow by a rusty piece of metal.”

The La Primavera Qom community has been demanding the return of land that was granted by the Gildo Insfrán administration to the National University of Formosa, while a communiqué was released after the murder expressing that the community does not know “how to look after” its members, and demanding “justice and peace.”

With regard to the Chaco murder, an element of ethnic discrimination was dismissed by Chaco Lieutenant-Governor Juan Carlos Bacileff Ivanoff, who affirmed “according to the argument of the arrested, a fight was the cause of death. There is no ethnic question here... indigenous populations live in peace with the rest of the community”.

The 12 year old Ilmer Ilvencio Flores last January 4 was celebrating summer festivities with several friends but never returned home and his dead body was found the following day with the face totally disfigured in Villa Bermejito a village in Chaco.

“The criminal killed him with a bat” said his uncle Miguel Flores who added Imer was only identified because of a tattoo with a Qom symbol which had also been partially scrapped off.

The death of 12-year old Flores follows on yet another incident in which a ten months old Qom baby and her 49 year old grandmother were run over by a gendarme also in the province of Formosa.

The grandfather who survived the attack claims “it was no accident, it was on purpose” and the gendarme instead of helping, beat him and threatened his life if he filed a complaint on the incident.

“He beat me, he insulted me, he called me f… indian while my grand-daughter was agonizing”, claims Ricardo Coyipé a well known activist of Qom rights.

The indigenous population is Argentina according to the latest census is 2.5% but in Chaco and Formosa the percentage in more than double, and their lands are prey of big landlords of the region with support from local police and security forces.

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1 LEPRecon (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
When will this brutal slaying of the young stop?

When will the Argentine government start looking inwards at its own problems, and move to protect their own people?

When will Argentina RESPECT the indigenous people of THEIR own country?

This is an absolute tragedy, and the Argentine government should hold their heads in shame.
2 Gordo1 (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
A UN commission recently took Argentina to task for its mistreatment of its indigenous peoples. But then this all started in the nineteenth century when Roca was responsible for acts of genocide against native tribes.
3 ChrisR (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
@2 Gordo1

You mean pgerman was WRONG about that divine man of peace, Roca? He was a murdering coward, whom we all thought, after all?

I can hardly believe it! Oh, wait a minute; I CAN believe it because it is happening right now in the north east of Argentina. When are the argies going to learn that killing the indigenous people for colonial acquisition of their land is unacceptable in 2013?
4 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
I found a video of the killing.
In Canada they would lose their parents and taken away from their homes and then died of hunger, Argentine have a long way to go if they mean to match the English murderous history with slaves and natives.
5 Falkland Islands (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
prat-*unt when will you stop trying to justify what happens in Arg, you are a sick, twisted, evil troll.
6 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
4 Pirat-Hunter

I would invite you to think about the key word in your little rant there. That word is “history” i.e :- not current.

You know what? we have learnt from our history, if you are going to talk about history then what about the “The Dirty War” in Agentina?? 40 years ago

Kicking nun's out of planes into the Atlantic?? 40 years ago

planting grenades in school desks?? 30 years ago

Deporting the population? 30 years ago

Laying unmapped mine fields?? 30 years ago

Trashing shipping offices?? Last week!!

You see?? It's not just the English that have a “murderous history” is it??

Would you care to comment on your own??
7 Alexei (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
Hardly surprising that a nation founded on theft and genocide would treat the surviving indigenous peoples well, but hunting and murdering their children like animals is even more bestial than we would have expected. I imagine the people of the Falkland Islands are watching, and are not impressed. Happily they have backup and have hundreds of miles of ocean to separate them from those degenerates.
8 LEPRecon (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
@4 - Pirat-hunter

Aren't you a pretend indigenous person? Why aren't you railing against the murderous Spanish, German and Italian colonists who are continuing to murder the indigenous people?

I'll tell you something, the 'old' British Empire couldn't hold a candle to the brutality of the Spanish and Roman (Italian) Empires, or to the Third Reich. Since Argentinas colonial population is made up mainly of these people and their descendants its little wonder that the Argentine people still consider the lives of natives irrelevant.

The British Empire may not have been perfect, and did do some terrible things, but these really pale in comparison to what the colonisers of South America did.

Entire tribes wiped out. Mass murder on a huge scale. Entire civilisations destroyed. Rape and pillaging of the natural resources of South America.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Or as Jesus said: Let he who is without sin throw the 1st stone.

Argentina has its own sin, and the sins of their European forefathers: Spain, Italy, Germany, too.

We British don't deny our past. Argentina denies the past, even the recent past, and since you deny it, you keep on compounding the sin by repeating the atrocities of your ancestors.
9 Think (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 06:55 pm Report abuse

A big thanks to all Brutish Turnips for their “kind interest” in stopping those brutal and unacceptable racial killings making headlines in Argentina these days.
Such killings would, of course, never happen in a serious Country like Britain………, right...?:

96 racial killings since Stephen Lawrence’s murder.
January 5, 2012 / IRR News Team
The IRR, which records all deaths with a (known or suspected) racial element has found that since the death of Stephen Lawrence in 1993 that at least ninety-six people have died in such attacks – AN AVERAGE OF FIVE PER YEAR.
…….our research shows that the main parties are in denial about the extent and severity of racial violence, and interested in rightwing extremism only when it challenges them electorally. And yet it is the policies and pronouncements of mainstream politicians, on a range of issues from terrorism and foreign wars to cohesion, criminality and immigration, which create the insidious popular racism in which such violence foments.
The sad fact is that such murders hardly make news. The names of victims will barely be known to any but their immediate families.
We remember all those that have died since Stephen Lawrence in 1993 and list their names here:

1993: Saied Ahmedm, Ali Ibrahim.

1994: Shamsuddin Mahmood, Donna O’Dwyer, Mohan Singh Kullar.

1995: Mushtaq Hussain.

1996: Daniel Blake and John Reid.

1997: Michael Menson, Lahkvinder Reel.

1998: James Tossell, Akofa Hodasi, Remi Surage, Surjit Singh Chhokar, Farhan Mire.

1999: Jay Abatan, Stelios Economou, Harold McGowan, Liaquat Ali, Joseph Alcendor, Ben Kamanalagi, Hassan Musa, Zardasht Draey, Jason McGowan.

2000: Zahid Mubarek, Santokh Singh Sandhu, Komra Divakaren, Jan Marthin Pasalbessi, Glynne Agard, Mohammed Asghar, Abdi Dorre, Tariq Javed, Khaliur Rahman, Sarfraz Khan.

2001: Gian Singh Nagra, Fetah Marku, Shiblu Rahman, Sharon Bubb, Firsat, Ross Parker.

10 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 07:31 pm Report abuse

As much as you would like to deflect this thread, just saying“ well, you guys did bad things too”, does not explain or justify what is happening in Argentina right now, by your own authorities.

That is what this thread is about - events in Argentina.

Any comment on the murder of these kids and other aboriginals. Perhaps you have some interesting information we are not aware of??


You have said you are a “real American” , an “Amerindian” and you know no nation boundaries of “the white man”.

Is it acceptable that CFK's Argentine authorities allow these killings to go on, and in fact perpetrate them, themselves???
11 Zool (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
21st century colonialism
12 Think (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
Continues from (9)

2002: Frankie Kyriacou, Peiman Bahmani, Shah Wahab, Derrick Shaw, Israr Hussain.

2003: Mohammed Isa Hasan Ali, Unnamed Asian man, Paul Rosenberg, Johnny Delaney, Awais Alam, Quadir Ahmed.

2004: Kriss Donald, Shahid Aziz, Akberali Tayabali Mohamedally, Brij Brushan Sharma, Bapishankar Kathirgamanathan, Kalan Kawa Karim.

2005: Deraye Lewis, Mi Gao Huang Chen, Mugilan Sutherman, Kamal Raza Butt, Anthony Walker, Rushi Kamdar, Isiah Young-Sam.

2006: Lee Phipps, Christopher Alaneme, Khizar Hyat, Hamidullah Hamidi, Mohammed Pervaiz, Changez Arif, Shezan Umarji, Wei Wang, Syed Sorafot Ali, Meshack Brown.

2007: Enayit Khalili, Tarsen Nahar, Marion Moran, Adam Michalski, Gregory Fernandes, Ahmed Hassan, Asaf Mahmood Ahmed.

2008: Hamida Begum, Alana Mian, Nilanthan Moorthy and Mohammed al-Majed.

2009: Syden Pearson, Kunal Mohanty, Marek Muszynski, Ekram Haque.

2010: Papa Mbaye Mody (aka Alioune Cisse), Mohammed Idris Mirza, Marcin Bilaszewski, Nachhattar Singh Bola, Simon San.

2011: Mahesh Wickramasingha and Anuj Bidve.

Brainwash anybody?
13 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
Congratulations Think!!!

I'm glad to see that your powers of cutting and pasting are un-diminished as ever.

Meanwhile, how many murders have been commited in Argentina over the same time frame??

May I ask a question, shocking those these figures are is it not true that KFC / TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck is commiting murder by doing nothing while the people that she is meant to be representing, starve because they are not paid enough to buy food and inflation is running out of control. Stealing off her own people, standing by while they loose their homes and their jobs........and that goes un-reported...

I'm sorry, who do you “think” is brain washed???
14 Conqueror (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
@4 Oh good. A film of a massacre by a psycho. But then lots of argies are psychos, aren't they? It's why there are so many psychiatrists in argieland. But let's be careful. Argie psychos are now being exported. Even to Canada. And then on to a film of a boy supposedly tortured in Libya. Well, Gaddafi was like that. And on to a film about a U.S. American law enforcement officer being shot by the animals of Mexico. Let's think about that. Two American videos, one involving latinos and the other a psycho. Sounds like P-H. And one from a country where the dictator used to hang students on the anniversary of his inauguration. And televise it. Not an English person in sight!
@8 I go with LEPRecon on this. In fact, I'll go further. These FOUR incidents are racially-motivated MURDER. In another word, GENOCIDE. And AT LEAST two carried out by a state official. STATE-SANCTIONED GENOCIDE!!
Let's have some UN investigators in there. Surrounded by around 20,000 of the meanest UN troops we can find. And when the animals are found, string 'em up. To die by choking over a 24 hour period. The only suitable retribution for the deliberate murder of a 10-month old baby. Reduce the slug's weight to make it last longer. Cut off his arms, his legs and his genitals. And find that “gendarme” and do the same to him. Don't forget to slit their bellies so that can see their intestines spill out!
@9 & 12 IGNORED AT POSTER'S REQUEST. Except, come again. We'll remember all this. And, wherever possible, I'm sure it can be arranged for every argie invader to die in absolute agony! Don't bother about the corpses. The ocean will take them all!
15 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
9 Think

”The IRR, which records all deaths with a (known or suspected) racial element has found that since the death of Stephen Lawrence in 1993 that at least ninety-six people have died in such attacks – AN AVERAGE OF FIVE PER YEAR”

Wow!!! five a year you say tut, tut!!! that is bad isn't it?? That's what?? that's an average of 1 murder every 2 and a bit months then isn't it?

You're right think!!! That is an outrage...... but hang on a minute!!!

If 1 murder every 2-and-a-bit months is an outrage, what do you call 2 murders in one week??

Like you said Think, Brainwashed anyone??

16 ChrisR (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
15 toooldtodieyoung

You must remember that I Don't Think's time moves at a different speed to ours.

He has a 1950's Russian 'Pilots' watch ex French, hacked by the Ruskies to make it synchronize on demand and it keeps perfect time: TWICE A DAY.

That's why he 'thinks' it takes much longer for the seasons to pass! So 1 week must take at least 3 months.

He's like Prat-Junta. These clowns think that Light-Years have something to do with time! Stupid idiots.
17 Shed-time (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Isn't it nice to see how Argentinians treating their non-german folk so well. You would have thought they'd fallen back into their SS ways.

Oh wait...
18 Anglotino (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
Dear Pirat-hunter and Think (wow that's an oxymoron)

Tu quoque!

Look it up, it's not that difficult.
19 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 04:14 am Report abuse
Nauseating reading the replies of the antis here, shamelessly using a tragedy as simply another instrument with which to insult and traduce Argentines in this forum, for their own personal therapies.

These are the same people who call me sick for posting news of mass shootings.

20 Anglotino (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 06:12 am Report abuse

Back and still can't argue!
21 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 06:32 am Report abuse
@20 Anglotino

“Back and still can't argue!”

Was someone away???
22 Anglotino (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 08:47 am Report abuse
@21 Troy

It would seem, not really.

My holiday (vacation) last year was 3 months long and I actually went to South America. I wouldn't call it a vacation or “a salubrious and well accorded furlough”.

I'd call it a week.

Time for more inane and vacuous comments. Fairy floss is what he is. A nice diversion but not substantial enough to sink your teeth into or sate your appetite.
23 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 10:23 am Report abuse
16 ChrisR

Good point well made there.... I might wind one of my old watches back 40 years and see if I can get on his wavelength.

19 Tito The Clown Troll

I thought that you had gone for good ( sigh ) Imagine my delight at finding you had not........

22 Anglotino

.......And with a such short memory as well, after his vile and racist comments on the primary school shootings, You would have thought that he would have used his “salubrious and well accorded furlough” to learn how to be a better person............... oh well...........
24 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
“Time for more inane and vacuous comments. Fairy floss is what he is. A nice diversion but not substantial enough to sink your teeth into or sate your appetite.”

Hmmm, a diversion certainly. Usually just a leading statement designed to get a reaction or call attention to himself.

I may briefly refute what he says, but I will not indulge him.
25 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
“The grandfather who survived the attack claims “it was no accident, it was on purpose” and the gendarme instead of helping, beat him and threatened his life if he filed a complaint on the incident”

This case stinks of Police, if not government involvement and then for Chaco Lieutenant-Governor Bacileff Ivanoff argues there is “no ethnic question” in the province....... You have to wonder how much HE knows don't you??
26 Shed-time (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
@25 The right to petition your government is a respected universal human right. Apparently in Argentina you have to do this with broken legs and no teeth.
27 Isolde (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 10:18 am Report abuse
Just another reason not to have anything to do with Argentina.
Wouldn't they have themselves some fun if they were in charge here?
But, as we all know, that will never happen(said smugly)!
28 Simon68 (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
Think, for all his/her/its vaunted wisdom of the ages, still shows his/her/its pre-adolecent level of argument by saying in effect “we may be wrong, but you are just as bad.” This is the same as the child, caught out in a wrong doing, saying as an excuse “but Jimmmy did...”

Think, if he/she/it is really Argentine, should be ashamed of him/her/its-self for not having the courage to admit that these terrible xenophobic crimes are a blot on our country's copy-book and for which the Argentine government should be appologizing to the Qom people!!!!!!!
29 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 03:24 pm Report abuse

You think I'm back? I'm still on vacation, unlike in your country, most areas here have internet. And don't worry, I'll ask the question on Yahoo Australia if the average australian gets 3 months paid vacation each and every year. See what the answers are... hahahahahahaha.

Just a little gift to the anglos, saw this one early today in the yahoo USA page:

Very forward looking on the part of the Canadians... givingtheir natives somewhat clean WATER. Welcome to the late 19th century!

We are talking about a country with massive fresh water reserves, and supposedly very wealthy... and their natives have as much problem accessing water as Argentina's natives?


But it sure beats the treatment of natives by the yankees and dundees, in the USA they just simply shoot them in mass, and in Australia well, in the hierarchy of life aboriginals are somewhere between dying sheep and cane toads.

Going to enjoy the day. Bye bye hypocrites. (or anglos... same synonym)
30 Simon68 (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
29 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#)
Jan 14th, 2013 - 03:24 pm

Please see comment #28 and replace “Nostrolldamus the 8th” for “Think”!!!!!
31 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 07:35 pm Report abuse

Not sure what the Brits or the UK have to do with the genocide in Argentina, or the murders and discrimination by the Police and the coverups by the local authorities.
The Governor will not even admit there was any “problem with race”, clearly intending not to acknowledge it.

Same as the Trolls, Think and Notgive-Adamus.
Not to mention, Pirat-Hunter ALEX VARGAS, the “Amerindian” from Argentina who like a cowering puppy, does not dare to criticise La Campora, or CFK.

They were all happy to condemn the previous government of the Argentine people, the Junta, for discrimination and “ethnic-cleansing” of their own indigenous people, but an inconvenient story on Mercopress showing that it is still rampant within their current government and local authorities are wholly complicit, some taking a personal hand.

Any of the regular Trolls care to comment on these events occurring in Argentina, as written about in this article??

No, I thought not.

Meanwhile, ALEX VARGAS, is curled up in the dark, behind the couch, licking his balls...
32 British_Kirchnerist (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
These racist murders are despicable, as are the racist murders in my own country that Think has reminded the haters and turnips of. All societies have a racist problem to confront, but I won't stand for the double standard that somehow sees the race problem entirely solved in the UK (its not) while seeing similar incidents in Argentina as some kind of wider ethnic cleansing, for which I've seen no evidence at all. I hope Cristina and the Argentine left will come down hard on these killers, and am optimistic they will given their record in facing up to Argentina's other homegorown dark elements by jailing the junta and facing down greedy ruling class sectors
33 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
@32 BK
AGAIN, very late to the party!
Where were you while this was being actively discussed?
Everyone has moved on.
Are you just trying to slip in a 'cheap shot' of propaganda as a closing statement?

Funny that you jump on here decrying racism just as Marcos ( or is that really, you?) has identified himself publicly as a racist and an instigator of racial hatred.

“I hope Cristina and the Argentine left will come down hard on these killers, and am optimistic they will given their record in facing up to Argentina's other homegorown dark elements by jailing the junta and facing down greedy ruling class sectors”

BK, you can't blame the Junta of 30 years ago for the systemic racism that is ongoing today, under CFK.
Speaking of CFK, she and her cronies ARE the “greedy ruling class sectors”!
34 Anglotino (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse

Haven't you noticed that BK doesn't partake in many of the forums any,ore, he just trolls the articles that are about to close and adds a comment.

He does it for nearly every article. Look at this one. 7 days after the last comment.

Not directed at anyone, just a soliloquy.

But I did laugh, “greedy ruling class”, that is CFK now. Can't blame anyone else after her and her dead husband have been running the show for so long.

Crimes like these are a reflection on the government so are a reflection on CFK.
35 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 08:10 pm Report abuse

I agree. I've called him out on a few of his “closing posts” recently.

Usually, they are pat, scripted, propaganda statements, following the generic La Campora message.

Easy to refute, but one wants to make sure the thread is not 'concluded' with his mis-information.

Making him look like the lying fool that he is, is just a sweet bonus.
How embarrassing for him.

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