Wednesday, January 16th 2013 - 03:52 UTC

Statement on Falklands expected from South Atlantic peace zone meeting

Representatives from 21 African and South American countries are debating in Uruguay the consolidation of the South Atlantic as a zone free of massive destruction arms and its “improper militarization”, as a result of the growing tension between the UK and Argentina over the Falkland Islands.

Brazil minister Patriota: “there is concern over an inappropriate militarization” of the South Atlantic

“There is concern over an inappropriate militarization” of the South Atlantic said the Brazilian Foreign minister Antonio Patriora during a brief exchange with the press.

“There are decolonization issues which have yet to reach a definitive solution”.
Patriota said that South Atlantic countries have to consolidate “the image of a zone free of massive destruction arms”.

Likewise Argentina’s Deputy Foreign minister Eduardo Antonio Zuain said the South Atlantic Peace and Cooperation zone was debating his country’s concern over the increase of the military presence in the Malvinas.

This week Defence Minister Andrew Robathan said that Britain was well prepared to defend the Falklands with four Typhoon fighter aircraft, an infantry company, a couple of patrol vessels plus submarines on global patrol.

He added that if needed an extra Typhoon, a Royal Navy vessel and more troops could be sent to the South Atlantic in anticipation of any outside interference or ‘stunt’ during the referendum on the Falklands’ status and future scheduled for next March 10/11.

Patriota anticipated that the Malvinas issue would be specifically included in the final declaration to be made public by the 21 representatives on Wednesday and that Ghana despite the recent dispute with Argentina over the frigate ARA Libertad will adhere to the motion.

During 78 days the flagship of the Argentine Navy was retained impounded in Tema, on orders from Ghanaian court acting on request from a New York ruling favouring the hedge fund NML Capital which is demanding payment of Argentine defaulted bonds.

The Ghana government said it could not intervene because it was a judicial issue and the dispute finally ended at the UN Law of the Sea tribunal in Hamburg that ordered the release of ARA LIbertad.

Uruguay’s Foreign minister Luis Almagro underlined the challenge for the region “when the developed world is in the midst of an unprecedented economic and financial crisis”.

“Without peace it is impossible to ensure the economic, social and cultural development of our societies” added Almagro who established a difference with the North Atlantic: “they have their defence mechanisms and alliances: in the South Atlantic our dynamics should be development and trade”.

The VII Ministerial meeting of the South Atlantic Peace and Cooperation Zone created in 1986 following a UN General Assembly resolution, on the occasion has convened delegations from 21 of its 24 members, and of which three are South American and the rest Africans.

Born as an initiative to promote peace and cooperation in the area and as part as a process to revalue South-South cooperation, it has only held so far six ministerial meetings, the last of which in Angola in 2007.

For the Montevideo meeting for the first time Defence ministers were also invited. The gathering includes representatives from Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay and from Africa, Angola, Benin, Cape Verde, Cameroon, Congo, Ivory Coast, Gabon, Gambia, Guinea, Equatorial Guinea, Liberia, Namibia, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Senegal, South Africa and Togo. Members that missed Montevideo are Guinea Bissau, Saint Tomé and Sierra Leone.

 

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1 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 04:14 am Report abuse
“Patriota anticipated that the Malvinas issue would be specifically included in the final declaration to be made public by the 21 representatives on Wednesday and that Ghana despite the recent dispute with Argentina over the frigate ARA Libertad will adhere to the motion”

Where are all the Brit-Ghana fans of MercoP.? :-))
2 JimLad (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 04:34 am Report abuse
@ Marcos Alejandro #1

Just because something is 'anticipated' doesn't mean it's guaranteed. Many people 'anticipated' an end to the world Dec 21 2012. Many people anticipated Mitt Romney winning the US Presidential election.

Kindly return when your argument has a leg to stand on.
3 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 05:12 am Report abuse
2 JimLad
“Many people 'anticipated' an end to the world Dec 21 2012”
Many? Are you talking about yourself Jim?

“Many people anticipated Mitt Romney winning the US Presidential election”
Who is many in this case? American Fox News or our MercoP. reader Yankeeboy ?

Kindly return when your argument has a leg to stand on.
4 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 05:27 am Report abuse
@3MA

MA, I anticipate bats flying out your arsehole.

Please get back to me when you have a point to make.
5 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 05:30 am Report abuse
And who's talking to you marionette? :-))
6 Boovis (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 05:48 am Report abuse
I guess the militarisation they're talking about is the 50% rise in Argentina's defence budget since 2010, the Brazillian purchase of ships and more jets and the general expanding of all defence forces across the continent of South America. In fact, the only place where the military has stayed at static numbers for the last 30 yars has been the Falklands, so I expect the statement will be to praise the islands as a beacon of hope for the rest of these tinpot dictators.
7 Frank (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 06:51 am Report abuse
@6 Any one of those 21 countries with a navy is guilty of militarisng the S Atlantic.

The only one that has done its bit in de-militarising the South Atlantic is Ghana.
8 Anglotino (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 06:54 am Report abuse
I think it is great that this grouping of countries that rarely meet and don't actually do anything are going to include the Falklands in any announcement.

It will make other countries take notice of the Falklands and also it will help give further publicity to the upcoming referendum.

Additionally it will highlight the reason WHY the UK is forced to station troops and equipment in this region.

It will remind people that it is only Argentina that has invaded the sovereign territory of another country in this region recently. It will also shine a spotlight on Argentina's continually belligerent actions towards the Islands.

It is quite nice that such a small nation as the Falklands can impinge so easily and readily on much larger countries both in Latin America and now in Africa.

The Falkland Islands government should Seneca thank you note to the South Atlantic Peace and Cooperation Zone for so readily and easily publicising their issues with Argentina.
9 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 07:00 am Report abuse
@6 Boovis

I anticipate only talk and PC posturing from Argentina and its cronies, saying
“South Atlantic countries have to consolidate “the image of a zone free of massive destruction arms”,” while Brazil invests heavily in their military, and Argentina develops ground-attack aircraft for use against what, unarmed civilian populations like Falklanders? or, their own indigenous population??
10 Boovis (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 07:01 am Report abuse
@9: if they're so determined to spread peace they should have invited representatives of the islands, at least at observer status.
11 scottbart (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 07:30 am Report abuse
another toothless forum, that last got together in 2007! Yawn!
12 JimLad (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 07:30 am Report abuse
@ Marcos Alejandro #3

Mate, if you're going to poke a hole in someone's argument, you ACTUALLY need to poke a hole in it. My previous point still stands, regardless of you lack of comprehension (Something I've come to expect from you 'malvinas' believers).
Also, I'm Aussie, not a 'Yankeeboy'. Cheers
13 Lou Spoo (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 08:23 am Report abuse
“There is concern over an inappropriate militarization” of the South Atlantic said the Brazilian Foreign minister Antonio Patriora

Does this include Brazils current programme of aquiring a fleet of 6 nuclear submarines?
14 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 08:48 am Report abuse
“There are Decolonization issues yet to be resolved”

Indeed there are: the disgraceful 19th usurption of land and eviction of indigenous population

In Patagonia.
15 Britworker (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 08:50 am Report abuse
It will be the usual crap, the militarisation won't apply to the South American countries, the outcome will be pre-determined as these things always are, so have your meeting and piss off!
16 Lord Ton (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 08:58 am Report abuse
Same old, same old ...... and no-one cares what they say at the end of their expenses paid-for meeting anyway :-)
17 Room101 (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 08:59 am Report abuse
Inevitable subject on the agenda; backfiring too; Trade is the thing, and other non-starter issues cloud the real steps to progress. But then, CFK has no intitiatives to improve the lot of her country.
18 Shed-time (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 09:46 am Report abuse
This is in essence the problem with corruption, you get these fora where only a few stakeholders are involved, excluding places like the Falklands (UK), Tristan de Cunha, Ascension, St Helena, and arguably the Norwegians.

Then they all fall in behind the uber-corrupt making statements about the UK's defence of a small proto-state, feigning ignorance the fact that their is a military build up in nearly every single one of these states, including brazil with it's nuclear subs.

There is something very very wrong with these sorts of events, and mainly they seemed sponsored by the sickness-stricken UN.
19 Rufus (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 09:57 am Report abuse
I'm assuming that Massive Destruction Arms is a translation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (i.e. Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear)?

If so then there's no problem with the Falklands garrison, as the UK only has one type of WMD, which are submarine based.
They wouldn't be in the South Atlantic anyway, as they are a acting as a deterrent to nuclear armed nations that are more than 7,000 miles away from the Falkland Islands (so it would defy the point of having them in the first place).
20 Shed-time (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 10:05 am Report abuse
@19 the issue really is, if brazil or any of these countries are so concerned about the falklands and the UK military, they should probably be lobbying the Argentinian government to tone down the rhetoric.

They're not, so they're not.
21 Lou Spoo (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 10:07 am Report abuse
Brazil - “our organisation only wants peace and co-operation in the world”

UK - “but your members Ghana, Nigeria, Senegal and Guinea are about to send troops into Mali”

Brazil - “no, no, no, that's different, it's supported by a UN security council resolution to counteract an invasion by hostile forces”

UK - “you mean like resolution 502 passed in 1982 in response to the Falklands invasion”

Brazil - ”errrr ..... (frantic whispering with Argentina ) ..... no?“

UK - ”how so?“

Brazil - ”errrr ..... (frantic whispering with Argentina) ..... just because“

UK - ”what do you mean 'just because'?“

Brazil - ”errrr ..... (frantic whispering with Argentina) ..... errrr“

Argentina - ”.........YOU SMELL!.........(to Brazil) LEG IT!....“

Brazil - ”Wait for me!”

UK - ...........sigh!
22 malicious bloke (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 10:10 am Report abuse
@21, spot on :)
23 Shed-time (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 10:22 am Report abuse
@22 pretty much sums it up.
24 Britishbulldog (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
Who gives a shit what they want down there we will do what we want like we have always done and if we want to bring arms and ships onto our Territory and Territorial waters no bunch of tin pot dictators will stop us got that.
25 Gordo1 (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 12:15 pm Report abuse
It seems to me that this is all a “storm in a teacup”! The amount of armament that Britain has installed and plans to install in its territory in the South Atlantic can hardly be deemed to be a threat to anyone viz.“This week Defence Minister Andrew Robathan said that Britain was well prepared to defend the Falklands with four Typhoon fighter aircraft, an infantry company, a couple of patrol vessels plus submarines on global patrol.”

Why so much glee from the Malvinista trolls? Why such exaggerated statements from Brasil and Argentina? Well, the latter will grasp at anything, won't they?
26 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
Tell you what Argentina, you demilitarize your military first and we'll demilitarize ours...deal?
27 Ratamacue (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
It's all the same old stuff. Argentina wants to sit down and discuss with UK the future of the Falklands but their agenda includes only one item: the handover of the Islands to Argentina. They are not interested in Falkland Islanders and choose to ignore their existence and their desire to live peacefully in their own country. They started all the militarisation - as they call it - by invading in 1982 and Falkland Islanders' memories are still sharp on that matter. The UK is only defending the Falklands against possible aggression by Argentina. Argentina is in tatters economically and it would be interesting to see what other countries might want to be 'owned' by Argentina. The fact of the matter is that even if Argentina dropped its claim to the Falklands it would take a very long time, if ever, for Falkland Islanders to begin to trust them. They are just not to be trusted and they have a very recent history of ignoring agreements when they choose to do so.
28 ABrit (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
Is this the equivalent of the Scouts having a meeting on how to bring peace to the Middle East? Do these countries think they have a loud voice within the international community? Quite laughable really.
29 Steveu (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
@28 I think the Scouts would stand a better chance!

DYB DYB DYB DOB DOB DOB!
30 Boovis (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
@27: “Never trust an Argie with a map”.
31 cornishair (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 01:31 pm Report abuse
14 Monkeymagic. “There are Decolonization issues yet to be resolved”

I think it could be said the the whole of south amercia, has a 19th century colonal problem. Sort of what happens when colonists steal land off the native population. Maybe Brazil & argentina should get their own houses in order before talking about problems of “colonialism” south america land pirates thats all they are!
32 Gordo1 (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
Britain, in the past, was guilty of rampant racism without a shadow of doubt. But Britain, in the 1830s, was the first major European country to abolish slavery and now that we are in the 21st century we are quite an integrated society although racism rears its ugly head from time through right wing organisations such as the English Defence League. But their protests are ineffectual.

But both Brasil and Argentina are guilty of rampant racism - even genocide - and the latter country has very recently been severely criticised by the UN for its treatment of its indigenous citizens. In the case of Brasil , there are always reports about the mistreatment of indigenous tribes of the Amazon basin.

So, yes “pot calling the kettle black” comes to mind.
33 Islander1 (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
Marcos - please give me a list of the British INCREASES in militarizatiuon in the South Atlantic?

FACTS:
In the mid-late 1980s there were FOUR frigates and destroyers stationed in the Islands and a small patrol vessel
For the last DECADE there has only been ONE and a SMALLER patrol vessel and that is not here all the time either - they visit Africa and other places in S America inbetween time.
Submarine prescence is the SAME as 25 years ago- ONE Occasionally.

Airforce - for over 25years has been the SAME numbers - 4 fighter jets, one tanker and one transport.
Actually it has DECREASED as there used to be a heaby lift troop transport helicopter-Chinook - that left here several years ago!

Army:
Over the last 20 years or so the number of Infantry Soldiers has DECREASED and today is a mere 130-150 only.

Please describe how this is an increased militarization?

Remember your Defence Minister is on PUBLIC RECORD stating that if there were no British forces in the Islands - then Argentine forces would be back here again.
Was that a militaristic statement of his - yes or no?

Is Brazil planning a big increase in its Naval prescence in the South Atlantic - answer please - Yes - or No?
34 Orbit (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
A statement at the UN from the Argentine government along the lines of:

”We strongly believe our claim to the Falkland Islands is in no way impacted by the referendum being held in March 2013, therefore we will not, in any shape or form (including militarily), try to inhibit, divert attention from or overshadow said referendum. Furthermore, we will find any persons (whether of Argentine nationality or not) who seeks to unilaterally disrupt the referendum on our behalf, guilty of treason and will face the highest criminal sanctions allowed by recognised international law (not Argentine law as that's made up daily over CFK's breakfast)“.

Perhaps then the Falkland Islanders in consultation with the UK government would review the defensive posture required during the referendum. This would have saved an ”I'm scared of the UK” trouser staining meeting and the expense it incurred, and proved that the CFK government can make a cohesive argument and work smart.
35 Condorito (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
@8 Anglotino
You are quite right, such regional talking shops focusing attention on the FI will do no favors to the Argie cause. I would expect countries, such as Cabo Verde, to feel quite uncomfortable with Brazil backing Argentina in their denial of an Atlantic island's right to self determination.
36 Conqueror (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
@1 We're here. Saying “Stuff you.” The “South Atlantic Peace & Cooperation Zone” with its valued representative from the Falkland Islands? Militarisation? Let's show latino faggot america REAL militarisation. By bombing arsieland into oblivion.
@3 Remember “militarisation”. Before long you won't have any “legs”!
@5 Who's a bendy, spread your cheeks, boy? YOU are.
@34 Not a chance! There will be NO peace in the western South Atlantic until arsieland has been obliterated! Just waiting for an excuse.
37 andy65 (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
@Marcos Alejandro No matter what the final statement says NOTHING WILL CHANGE you know it and everyone else knows it
If it was not for The Botox Queen SS Hitler Kirchner then there would be no problems unfortunately the good people of The United Kingdom are not like Argentines that roll over at the whim of there dear leader while she robs them all blind
38 Anbar (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
non-entity fora making a weak-willed and phrase-exaggerated public notice, wow, wake me up if something of import actually happens.
39 atk357 (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
Okay, if that's the case of this article, Argentina might consider removing all economic warfare barriers toward the Falklands (air link, fishing,...tourist ships docking ...etc.) then see what the reaction will be. It is like a Chinese knot, you'll solve the puzzle when you stop pulling!!
40 Anbar (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
So... we've invited for the first time all the Defense representatives of countries that border the south Atlantic....

does anybody have anything of interest to discuss...?

*Argentinas hand goes up* (groans all round)

anybody else...?

ah shit... OK, so, Argentina, what would you like to discuss...?

they must be SERIOUSLY bored. ;-0
41 GFace (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
Rather like a party roll-call vote in the legislature.

“Let's make a vote against 'demilitarization, peace and happiness and fluffy kittens', all say ”aye.'“

Everyone with a Kalashnikov in one hand, a bowie knife in the other, and personal military buildups in their back pockets, and covetous boundary redraws in their hearts, say, ”Aye.”

Now they break for lunch and the press release on how the SAPZ has voted for peace against aggression.

The only vote that matters is the one in March. They can accept the results, or they can prove themselves to be anti-democratic Fascists and neck-stompers. And no one will remember their peace and kittens vote anyway.
42 surfer (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
In case there's any doubt why the Argentine Govt. want to keep the Falklands on the front page....

They DON'T want this on the front page:

www.lanacion.com.ar/1546205-imparable-el-dolar-blue-toca-los-750-y-la-brecha-con-el-oficial-supera-el-50
43 ChrisR (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
You can guarantee that ‘The Twat From Brasil’ will ALWAYS bring the old Malvinas crap up whenever he is in these sorts of meetings.

You can also be assured that NOTHING will happen after they have all gone home.

It would seem that we have been honoured by the presence of the AG Wop Minister fo Defence, old Putridjelli himself. I hope the hotel got their money before giving him and his ‘entourage’ the keys to the doors.

Still sans the tie: must still be a suicide risk. Let’s hope so.
44 LEPRecon (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
@41 - GFace

It reminds me of the mentality of beauty contestants when they all say that what they really want is 'world peace'! LOL
45 Gordo1 (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
In 1982 there was more militarisation in the South Atlantic than there is now. And Argentina, the principal culprit, took advantage to illegally invade the Falklands archipelago against the defending troop of 40, yes forty, Royal Marines.

What hypocrites!
46 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
'Latin American governments promote peaceful resolution of conflict over Malvinas - The final declaration of the Seventh Ministerial Meeting of the Zone of Peace and Cooperation of the South Atlantic (Zopacas) establishes a call ”to governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain (...) as soon as possible to find a peaceful solution , just and lasting solution to the sovereignty dispute “over the Falkland Islands.
The Head of International Affairs of the Ministry of Defense of Brazil, Renato Aguiar Freire, spokesman for the office as a multilateral organization, stating that ”it is important to maintain peace and cooperation zone“ at Atlantic. felt that the Zopacas is ”an example of cooperation between countries since 1936 “with the aim of creating a region” without weapons and free from any threat. “ Freire said the event also served as ”an opportunity for cooperation between the countries' members both“ bilateral and multilateral levels ”through “sharing experiences to grow” regionally. Regarding the Falklands conflict, the Brazilian chief said on behalf of the organization that “the position is that the issues are resolved peacefully” through “the support of the international community.” According the northern defense official, it is unlikely a war between two nations, because Argentina is willing to dialogue. The meeting between the Foreign and Defense Ministries of all countries along the South Atlantic, was held on Tuesday and Wednesday Montevideo, event attended by delegations from 21 Latin American countries. Among those present were Argentina, Brazil, Angola, Cameroon, Congo, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Senegal, South Africa, Togo, among others. Montevideo, Uruguay UNoticias MDS
www.unoticias.com.uy/2013/01/16/informacion_nacional/gobiernos_de_latinoamerica_promueven_resolucion_pacifica_de_conflicto_por_malvinas/
47 Shed-time (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
@46 they should have invited the people of the falklands, st helena and tristan de cunha if they honestly felt it was so important. They didn't, so it wasn't.

“According the northern defense official, it is unlikely a war between two nations, because Argentina is willing to dialogue.”, urm... it was likely; the argentines started a war (1982 war of aggression) and they lost.

So it was 100% likely, and somewhat unexpected to boot.
48 andy65 (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
When will these idiots accept the status quo that the islands are defended like they are because 1. they were attacked by a corupt and spineless nation 2.if they were not defended again then they would face further threat of being attatcked by a corupt and spineless nation. This is not what Argentina wants but what the good people of The Falkland Islands want.
49 GFace (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
@44, “That would be harsher punishment for parole violators, Stan.... and World Peace!”
50 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
@47 Shed-time @46
I agree, its really petty to not invite the island countries that are in the South Atlantic, the only reason why they haven't is because they are affiliated with the UK and Argentina wouldn't allow it.
Anyway it looks like the final statement has been toned down a bit, but that's the only article I can find so far.
51 Martin Woodhead (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
We are unconditionaly to the British Empire:)
52 Zethee (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
”We are unconditionaly to the British Empire:)”

Thanks but i am quite sure that our government doesn't want Argentina.
53 Shed-time (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
@48 Well, these idiots will NEVER accept the status quo, mainly because they're incapable of accepting that they lost WW2 and had to scurry off to the edges of the earth to carry on their plans. Accepting that they lost the 1982 War of Aggression is just an extension of this. Getting what is ostensibly an expansionist to accept that people on their target islands don't want them there is just a mugs game. We'd all be better off if we just ignored them and got on with life. I'll say again that following the war any discussion on sovereignty over the heads of the islanders is a crime against humanity itself.

@50 these fora, like the C24 are setup by the UN to allow dreadful governments to gang together and try to impose their wills on smaller nations. The UN has a sickness, and it needs treating by their currently incapable leadership.

The other nations should have got together and said 'wait a minute! there are several proto-nations missing from this discussion, and without them any statement is nonsense. Besides, brazil is militarising the south atlantic.' Then the Argentines could have responded, allowing the sensible nations to withdraw from the discussion, or to allow the Argentines to withdraw. Neither did this, and so it shows little sensibility in the forum as a whole.

Discussing the Atlantic as a whole, without inviting the Atlantic ridge countries is just as ridiculous as the meeting.
54 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
Representatives from 21 African and South American countries are debating in Uruguay the consolidation of the South Atlantic as a zone free of massive destruction arms and its “improper militarization”

As long as it amuses them, let them play their little game. Let them sit on their commitee and let them have their forum.

The UK and the Falklands have not been invited to this “Forum” so I am assuming that whatever this forum decides to do, whatever treaties they sign amongst themselves, neither the Falklands or the UK have to abide by it..... Right?

Just seems that this encounter group ( because that what it seems like ) in the great scheme of things, is pretty much a toothless tiger.
55 Shed-time (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
African countries frowning upon improper militarization, is surely some kind of irony.

No?
56 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
I'm not hearing any arguments from the Trolls, OR legitimate posters.

Case closed. Game set match
57 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
56 Troy Tempest

You are not hearing any arguments because there is no way that this is defenseable. The whole idea of this “forum” is insane and as pointed out by Shed-time at 53, not all the countries in the Altantic have been invited so this “South Atlantic peace zone meeting” is really just a pile of fetid dingo's b*ll*cks, and just about half as useful.

Clowns
58 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
'The Argentine Defense Industry - Homeland Security Expenditure to Reach US$5.2 Billion By 2017'
economia.terra.com.mx/noticias/noticia.aspx?idNoticia=201301161712_BWR_20130116006079
59 Shed-time (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
@58 Was this improper militarisation mentioned as a risk in the forum?
60 Eduardo Orozco (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
Since the UK has renounced, years ago, to the right of exercising an autonomous foreign policy, preferring to become some sort of appendage of the USA (a loyal dog, always ready to spend their citizens money and young men lives to fight American proxy-oil wars and give Dick Cheney's/Tony Blair's gangs nice profits), the Latin American countries do not sympathize with their presence in the South Atlantic. That's why they ask the UK to leave, but don't care about other “colonies”, like French Guyana or several of the Caribbean islands. Malvinas under British rule is a threat to peace in the continent, as it can be used as a military base by the same group of international gangsters that have been raping the Middle East for the last 4 decades to control oil flux and prices.

That's the only thing that matters for most countries in this organization. The islanders want to be british? Who's stopping them of going to UK?
61 Beef (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
Eduardo - Correct me if I speak out of line but who are you to tell the islanders what to do in their own home? You tried in 1982 and were rightfully defeated and sent home to think again.

Ask the UN Sec General if the Islanders do not have the right to determine their own future in the Falkland Islands.
62 briton (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
We agree with everything they say,

SO
When are the following countries going to disarm
After all, are not these countries more military minded than the Falklands?
And do not these countries have a bigger military than those on the Falklands.

Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay and from Africa, Angola, Benin, Cape Verde, Cameroon, Congo, Ivory Coast, Gabon, Gambia, Guinea, Equatorial Guinea, Liberia, Namibia, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Senegal, South Africa and Togo.

So as all you Argies agree,
Please then tell / inform your leaders.

.
63 reality check (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
Who is to tell the Islanders what to do? He's an Arrogantinian that's who he is.
If he didn't have the convenience of the Islands to have a pop at, he'd be saying the same thing about Chile, Uruguay or Paraguay. They can not help, born with inferiority complexes, most of them!
64 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
@ Eduardo Orozco

Please have a read, let me know what you think.
cornellclass.wordpress.com/2013/01/16/the-falklandsmalvinas-question/
65 marcio (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
the issue of militarization in the South Atlantic is just a show, a staging of cameron. both Kirchner and cameron have used to deflect malvinas other issues, this is demagoguery. based on the history of tatcher, Cameron makes a show destroyers and sending troops to the South Atlantic, trying to awaken a sense of patriotism in the British, he knows perfectly well that Argentina is not in a position to efrentar another war, however what makes serves to divert other problems. The Christmas message that Cameron sent him the islanders was an aggressive tone to kirchner towards the intension that she will answer and then assemble the show so they always do. They are experts in demagoguery.
66 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
'South Americans And Africans Agree to Defense Cooperation'
www.plenglish.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1017881&Itemid=1

'South Atlantic countries negotiating to resolve situation ask Malvinas'
noticias.terra.com.ar/internacionales/paises-del-atlantico-sur-piden-negociacion-para-solventar-situacion-malvinas,25db98ce1e34c310VgnCLD2000000ec6eb0aRCRD.html
67 Shed-time (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
@65 what news is he trying to distract everyone from? I'm not sure I've seen him in the newspaper for a few days, so it cannot be anything alarming. Most of the news was about horsemeat in hamburgers.

@60 Your education was clearly abysmal. There are no such islands as 'malvinas', they simply do not exist. They didn't exist when you folks started the War of Aggression, and they don't exist now. Claiming the UK is some kind of threat just shows how brain addled you are, as Argentina is the historical threat to most of the peoples of Latin America, as presented by objectively verified history.

Do you even know where the Falklands are? They're not particularly close to Latin america, insofar as if a belligerent power from Europe was going to attack the continent, they'd be unlikely to use them as a staging post.

Your comment was of dreadful quality.
68 slattzzz (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
“They expressed concern over the reinforcement of British military presence in the zone, in violation of UN resolutions”.
Only reacting to continual rg aggression and sabre rattling. And they know it just paying lip service to rgenweener.
“The declaration of Montevideo referred to the need of putting a quick and unconditional end to colonialism in all of its forms”.
Well in March it will be and ratifyed by the UN................................end of arguement and discussion.
69 reality check (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
Nice of them to include the issue of the oil.
70 Shed-time (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
@68 Maybe they called for an end to free association in all its forms.

Didn't the head of the UN just say categorically that the UK was not in violation of any of the UN resolutions, i.e. the right to defend yourself would come under that.

They all seem so very threatened by a few islands that arguably have more right to be in the meeting than the rest of them.
71 ljordao (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
Patriota is the prototypical useful idiot. It deeply embarrasses me that he is a compatriot of mine.
72 Shed-time (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
@71 You want to swap him with Tony 'Pope' Blair? He makes British people's skin crawl and causes Brits to shudder a way no one had ever thought of before.
73 briton (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
so basicly they are just words,
conforming to CFK actions, [talking]

still,
now we know all 21 can talk as well .lol.
74 Musky (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
If this brazillian minister is concerned about militarization of SOuth Atlantic, he had better stop building those 5 subs and the carrier.
75 briton (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 10:58 pm Report abuse
Agreed ,,

According the northern defence official, it is unlikely a war between two nations, because Argentina is willing to dialogue,,,

In 1982 they said….

[it is unlikely a war between two nations, because the British, is willing to dialogue ]]

[and what happened next]
Caught with our pants down..
Never again, never again ..
76 Islander1 (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 12:31 am Report abuse
Marcos - still waiting for your explanations?

Marcio- WHAT militarization? - see mine at 35.
77 Lou Spoo (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 12:48 am Report abuse
“They expressed concern over the reinforcement of British military presence in the zone, in violation of UN resolutions”.

LOL. Did I miss something? When did the UN pass a resolution banning the UK from stationing troops on its overseas territories?
78 andy65 (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 01:56 am Report abuse
@marcio STUPID STUPID STUPID We in The United kingdom have nothing to say about The Falkland Islands niether does The British Governmant,the only time they are mentioned is when The Botox Queen money launderer so called president of Argentina rants on about something she never had on a weekly bases.
We British are not force fed stupid propoganda from an early age like Argentine children,you need to get it into your thick head once and for all
The British Flag flys over Port Stanley and nothing will be changing anytime soon not in your life time or mine
END OF.
79 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 03:19 am Report abuse
@65Marcio

CFK and her propaganda, and the trolls on here, “speaking as average Argentine citizens” seem determined to find some way to force or persuade or ridicule the Brits into withdrawing their defences.

That alone is enough to put one on guard, and prepare for any contingency.
80 LEPRecon (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 06:04 am Report abuse
If this meeting is for countries in the South Atlantic, why doesn't the Falklands have a representative?

I also believe that before making themselves look stupid by issuing any statements, they should've at least listened to the other side of te argument.

But as many people say, they will make a statement which will be ignored, and the next time they get around to meeting, Argentina probably won't exist any more. It'll have collapsed into civil war, due to the EPIC mismanagement by CFK and her cronies.
81 reality check (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 07:40 am Report abuse
Seems that these committees formed under so called UN Resolutions, have no
sense of moral terpitude in passing so called resolutions/statements that affect the lifes of real people, without consultation or their consent. What's even more incredulous is they do so in direct contradiction to the UN's own Charter.
82 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 10:27 am Report abuse
'Cristina: “we are being subjected to constant provocations by the United Kingdom”'
www.clarin.com/politica/sometidos-provocaciones-constantes-Reino-Unido_0_848915233.html
83 Martin Woodhead (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 11:05 am Report abuse
Good shouldnt invade ilands that dont belong to you.
If we really wanted to provoke you we'd fly daily typhoon recce flights over argentina.
Except we dont the reason the falklands are not guarded by one man and a dog is you keep making veiled and not so veiled threats towards the islands refuse to admit the islanders exsist even though they can trace there history back much further than your president can to argentina and generally behave like dickheads.
Even when the foreign office was trying to give you the islands you coulndt persuade the islanders after the war little hope and thirty years of being continual dickheads.
No apology to the islanders or the UK for an unprovoked invasion no recognition that the islamders have a right to a say in who rules them.
Plus your an economic basket case.
84 GFace (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 11:37 am Report abuse
@81, like I've been saying. C23 == “Great Blue Father”. This group though hits me more like a coffee klatch given the seriousness of issues going down in Africa contrasting against the raw frivolity of this particular resolution.
85 reality check (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 11:52 am Report abuse
C24 is arrogant beyond belief. How many organisations sit in deliberation over the lifes other people, refuse to give those people representation at the deliberations. Refuse to do even the most basic of investigations by carrying out a simple fact finding tour! Even when invited to do so, by the very people they claim to have been constituted to represent. It is nothing but a committee of biased dictators, you will do so and so, because we say you will. Thankfully it's resolutions are non binding. Makes the UN look an even bigger laughing stock, than it already is!
86 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
'Falklands cruise row: a lesson in Argentina's English heritage -
Cristina Fernández de Kirchner is desperate to squeeze political capital out of the Falklands issue, but, says Chris Moss, she needs to do her history homework...'
www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/9808484/Falklands-cruise-row-a-lesson-in-Argentinas-English-heritage.html

'CFK on Malvinas: 'All we ask is that the UK respect the UN resolution'
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/121963/cfk-on-malvinas-all-we-ask-is-that-the-uk-respect-the-un-resolution
87 Leiard (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
Argentina :-
How to impress a president - give him a football jersey !!!!
www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/01/17/limited-edition.html
UK:-
The UK and Indonesia agreed on Wednesday to strengthen defense cooperation in various fields from training and education to weapons procurement and civil-military cooperation (CIMIC).
www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/01/17/uk-indonesia-strengthen-defense-ties.html
88 GFace (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
@87, lovely place Indonesia, great human rights record, just ask Alex Aan.
89 Benson (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 03:00 pm Report abuse
@60 The islanders want to be british? Who's stopping them of going to UK?

Or alternativly Argentina stop their aggression towards the Falklands negating a need for a British military presence.
90 Zool (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
'Cristina: “we are being subjected to constant provocations by the United Kingdom”'

Blockading ports
Harassing tourists & shipping lines
Ransacking offices
Holding rallies with LAS Malvina flags
Falsely accusing the other side of violating nuclear treaties
Waging economic warfare
Falsely accusing the other side of Military escalation
Falsely accusing the other side of violating non existent UN resolutions
Embarking on a world wide propaganda tour `The islanders are Argentinians being held hostage by the British Military'- Classic one my favorites.
Using a peaceful event meant to foster good relations as a cover to make a dancing on a war grave propaganda video.

All these & more are just a few examples of Cristina's constant provocations.
91 Shed-time (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
@85 the C24 is just another example of the 'sickness of the UN'. Without dealing with cancers such as this cabal of unethical swine, its just going to die as an organisation.
92 briton (#) Jan 17th, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
Even now the Argies are harassing the boats from the oil rigs,
And we have but one little boat to deal with it,

Today the government was asked to send a proper war ship, to patrol and defend the oil rigs and workers from harassment,

Mr Cameron will think on it,=

.

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