Uruguay opens historic diplomatic archives to Malvinas war veterans
Uruguay will open on Monday 21 January its diplomacy archives to that Malvinas war veterans can consult classified information referred to the South Atlantic conflict when Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands in April 1982.
The decision to declassify documents with access to the Malvinas veterans was agreed following a request from the Argentine embassy in Montevideo on petition from Cesar Gonzalez Trejo who was president of the Malvinas Veterans Federation.
The embassy in Montevideo said in a release that the Malvinas veteran had requested ‘support’ to have access to the Falklands/Malvinas war documents in Montevideo for which he also asked for a scanner and a lap top.
According to the release Ambassador Dante Dovena accepted the request and helped the former combatant to achieve his goal.
Cesar Gonzalez Trejo is a Malvinas war veteran, as a former president of the Veterans’ Federation has made a name fighting for the rights of his comrades and is a first line militant of the Malvinas cause.
Ambassador Dovena confirmed that the embassy has provided the veteran with a scanner and a laptop so he can copy and register all the information he feels is of interest.
The release signed by the Argentine embassy advisor, Victorino Pirillo ends saying that the Malvinas Forum in Uruguay reiterates its support to Argentina’s standing sovereignty claim over the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces.
Uruguay during the South Atlantic conflict adopted a strict neutral position and from Montevideo the British marines captured at the beginning of the conflict were flown back to UK. Similarly at the end of the war hundreds of Argentine prisoners were channelled back to Argentina through Montevideo.
Public opinion in Uruguay was divided on the conflict, basically rejecting the use of force to solve disputes and particularly since it is a small country and the best and probably only defence is absolute abidance with international law.
Nevertheless it is no mystery that the Uruguayan navy and air force with their limited resources helped their Argentine peers.
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Will he be scanning those bits too? Will he be taking the scanner and laptop with him?
Error. Britain invaded Malvinas in 1833 but not Argentina in 1982.
However, in the real world, the Argentines invaded the Falklands in 1982 and got evicted by force. Now the Argentines are sour because they're a bit sh!t at everything... and riddled with poverty.
This has caused them to try to peddle a group delusion around south america about them invading an non-real abstraction of some islands, rather than deal with the cold reality.
How could the UK invade its own territory in 1833 OR 1982.
You live in a fantasy world.
Agreed Britain didn't invade Argentina in 1982!
As the islands are not Argentine; Britain liberated them in 1982 not invaded.
I'm so glad you see it that way.
Uruguay: 176.215km2
England: 130.395km2
Britain: 209.331km2
Not so small ...
Let's hope there are no loud noises while he is there, or he could get scared and run off, leaving scanner and a lap top that he has been trusted with unattended.
Uruguay: 3,286,314 people
England: 53,012,456 people
Britain: 56,081,207 people
UK: 63,181,775 people
Not so big ...
Looking at your figures and those of #13 José Malvinero, the evil ingles have less land than everyone. This must be London propaganda!!
There is one accurate word in your post, “error”.
Once he as scanned this information, what then? Is he just going to foxtrot oscar with the laptop?
I don't believe he's thought it through.
On the other hand, nice native Amerindian name he has there...not! So we have a Spanish/Italian descendant of Europeans, wanting to steal more land, and not understanding that he got his arse handed to him.
I'm interested to know what his rank and job was during the illegal invasion and occupation. Was he 'bravely' holding weapons to the heads of women and children and threatening them?
In fact, I wonder what he did during the Dirty War? Throw nuns out of planes? Help disappear people?
It seems to me this is a pointless exercise, and a waste of time to try and grab a bit of publicity. Probably on La Campora's pay roll.
**Yawn................**
Interesting.
www.kaosenlared.net/america-latina/item/44363-video-medios-en-argentina-controlados-por-grupos-brit%C3%A1nicos-defienden-posiciones-coloniales-en-malvinas.html
Was expecting Mercopress to run the following story but haven't, so for those that haven't seen it...
'For the government, the referendum in the Falklands is “disrespectful to the intelligence”'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1547351-para-el-gobierno-el-referendo-en-malvinas-es-una-falta-de-respeto-a-la-inteligencia
The Falkland Islands were first claimed by Britain in 1765 - Argentina did not inherit the islands from Spain - Fact.
Vernet had permission from Britain to set up a commercial enterprise on the Falklands before switching allegiance to Argentina - Fact.
While Vernet and his Argentine garrison were asked to leave, the majority of settlers chose to stay - Fact.
The 3,000 Falkland Islanders are part of a British Overseas Territory - they do not wish to become part of Argentina just like the Canary Islanders do not wish to become part of Morocco - Fact.
The fact is, Argentina has NO moral Nor legal claim to the Falkland Islands.
If you understood your history you might stop believing in propaganda and lies. The truth is out there: www.falklandshistory.org/
That happened in 2012.
Disrespectful to the intelligence of the Argentine Govt.
I have not seen ANY sign of intelligence from them !
Jan 21st, 2013 - 11:26 am
Interesting links, Steve, the first one to Kaosred has one glaring error when it says that the Buenos Aires Herald belongs to Mordoch when in fact the BAH belongs to Sergio Spolsky, a business man allied to CFK. Thus the BAH is part of the Government press monopoly!!!!!!
Plonker! killing under the orders of the Amerricans and by association the UK.
Thats it mate, shift the blame. Take responsibility for your own crimes! stop looking for the convenient scapegoats for your own monstrous deeds! You murdered your own, face it.
The Buenos Aires Herald usually ignores this protocol and in spite of employing English for its articles always uses the “Malvinas” name. Shame on them for their ignorance!
As far as the access to the Uruguayan archives are concerned I am not too worried. If Uruguay took a neutral position not much will appear that is embarrassing to either of the combating nations. However, if Uruguay's unofficial stance was to favour one side of the other then “the manure may hit the fan”!
Anyway 30 years have passed since the armed conflict and Britain has opened its archives to all and sundry - no damage was done! The present deterioration in British/Argentine relations is entirely due to the ranting and raving of la Kretina et al as Britain has done nothing to provoke Argentina's wrath except insist on the participation of the islanders in any conversations about the future of the archipelago.
If César González Trejo finds anything embarrassing to Uruguay I am sure he'll keep quiet about it. On the other hand, if he finds anything to the detriment of Britain he will milk it for all its worth.
Bit of a storm in a teacup, methinks!
If it's against international law, then why don't they send in Marcelo-Hector Cohen-Timmerman to do some of his remonstrating at the podium?
Does my @36 cover it?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9815908/Argentina-attacks-Falkland-Islands-referendum.html
If he was a real 'veteran' or had seen combat, I think he would accept the defeat, and get on with his life.
Clearly the guy can't accept that they surrendered, or perhaps he feels guilty that he did not do enough (or anything) against the British forces when he had the chance?
Maggie Thatcher quote I believe...?
this story appears to be a complete non-story though... how is it news worthy?
@15 So many questions about this guy. Why does he call himself by that funny name? Why doesn't he use his usual name - Peter Pan? Then we'd understand his association with Neverland. Did he ever go? Or did he only make it as far as Tierra del Fuego? What makes him a “veteran”? Is he old? Subject to the usual memory lapses? Psychoses? Shiny trouser seat syndrome? How come he's a “veteran” of a place that doesn't exist?
@25 I don't think so. When you're going to “alter” or even “forge” historical documents it's important to copy the originals before you destroy them. Then you can produce the copies that you so fortuitously made that, amazingly, say just what you hoped they'd say.
@29 Thanks for those links. Both hilarious. But what I thought funniest was that “kaosenlared” followed the article by a request to subscribe AND that Boudou had the gall to refer to “respect” and “intelligence” when arsieland has neither.
@37 Is it not the case that “cretinaland” is known by that name not so much because it is run by criminal-in-chief Cretina Kirchner but because it is full of cretins. Anybody seen any intelligence in arsie newspapers? Anybody seen any intelligence in such correspondents here as “P-H”, “Twinky”, “J M”, “Gustbury”, “y a n f”, “M Alejandro”, “Malv”, “malen”, “alex_arg” and how many others. One of the reasons it's so easy to lose one's rag on here is that an attempt to have an intelligent discussion with an arsie gets a response on the level of “La la la. Don't like what you're saying. Can't hear. La la la.” Pure, unadulterated gibberish!
They just cannot get over having their arses kicked off the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you prats) can they?
I guess the only interest I have in this whole article is understanding that this is what you look like after suffering from pathological sore-losership. Freud would have suggested that you build bigger and bigger psychological defenses in order to deal with hiding from reality, and all that is no doubt psychologically damaging. Rather than spending time with his family and friends, he's decided to go to Uruguay to find more evidence that ultimately Argentina lost the war, and sat over his scanner he will probably feel quite lost, touching his 'jostling the islanders' and his medal for 'illegal mine laying'.
Being a sore loser really is a sh!t lifestyle choice.
Are they records now in the public domaine or is it just for this Malvinista. Were the British embassy in Montevideo as former interested combatants in the dispute informed? If not a gross insult to normal diplomatic courtesies as they should also have been allowed to scan the records also
From the story it would appear that Gonzalez Trejo will not be supervised while he examines the archives so future historians may find that a lot of matierial and pages have been disappeared
I don't think he's interested in history.
Besides a corrupt government official, corrupting and falsifying the evidence, to suit Argentina,
But on the other hand, it may stir up more trouble for those letting corrupt officials into the archives in the first place.
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Agree with other posters though, thirty years is long enough mate, get over it, try using the same effort to do something more useful.
just google “Cesar Gonzalez Trejo”
the number of hits on this veteran is large
a few samples
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/tag/cesar-gonzalez-trejo/
indecquetrabaja.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/malvinas-argentinas-la-voz-de-cesar.html
ahhh, right... on a couple of them he claims that the UK started the war in 1982, not Argentina.
say no more....
“CHORRO LUCRASTE CON LA CAUSA MALVINAS,BASURA, 649 HERMANOS TE RECLAMARAN ESO.
TREJO TRAIDOR.”
Not the most popular man it seems!
A few other interesting “facts” emerged also:
There are more Argentine “veterans” claiming the “I served in the falklands pay bonus” (retirement) than actual veterans who fought in the entire conflict.
British Officers & NCOs routinely tortured captured Argentinians...the stories about Argentine Officers & NCOs torturing their own conscripts are untrue and made by British sympathisers.
The USA wants the UK to retain the Falklands as a base for future exploitation of Antarctica by them (and the UK).
The UN recently 'accepted as accurate' an Argentine map that showed their (Argentinas) sovereign territory to include the Falklands, South Sandwich, St Georgia and a large part of Antarctica.
the list goes on...
Haha, I wonder what 'think' would say about this La Campora trooper.
As a person closely allied to Uruguay you are rightly raising matters which many of us had not taken into account.
It should be a matter of concern for the people of Uruguay that, apparently, the Embassy of Argentina may have been given illegal access to secret diplomatic archives and the embassy has delegated the access to a private person who may have personal reasons to examine the papers. Also, why would the Embassy supply him with a scanner and a laptop? There is no mention of which Uruguayan Government Department has sanctioned this access.
And, who or what is the Malvinas Forum in Uruguay?
But yes, one wonders what this fellow did while “serving” in the Dirty War, both in the Falklands AND at home. Did he man the illegal detaining of civilians of Goose Green in inhumanely cramped and ~unmarked~ quarters? Did he shoot at the british from behind a surrender flag? Maliciously lay unrecorded land mines? Was he one of the ones who wanted to use the civilians of Stanley as human shields at the very end? Or as Slattzzz asks, was he just some poor piece of conscript cannon fodder for the war criminals in charge who needs to be able to look at himself in the mirror each morning knowing that the war criminals effectively got off scott free in comparison to what they truly deserved out of pandering to Kirkpatrick's and Haig's pleas to not “humiliate” the Junta.
You complete twat, the usa want the falklands so that they can cross-breed beautiful martian women with sheep. This idea is less stupid than your own.
Oh, hello suzie...............
now I see he's just another cockroach malvanista.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8qEQ6Gb0p0
In the case of this “pobrecito” César González Trejo, César is his Christian name, González is his father's first surname and Trejo is his mother's first surname, also his maternal grandfather's first surname. A bit complicated?
You complete twat, the usa want the falklands so that they can cross-breed beautiful martian women with sheep. This idea is less stupid than your own.”“”
It isnt MY idea numbnuts; : its from the articles loony google links...ffs.... where's Think when you need somebody calling a Turnip?
Clearly logic is not required to make you an idiot!
After his stay on the Falklands in 1982 maybe Cesar Gonzalez Trejo developed a taste for mating with sheep, and has recommended this to CFK as a way of populating the Falklands via the back door (no not that back door, you filthy minded people).
“The Falkland Islands are what make the people decide freely. Argentina must worry about and deal more for future development and give its citizens, we are a nation in decline absolute, miserable, corrupt, violent. It is time that the Argentine look inward and start giving the Argentines progress. Enough about the islands.”
(reasonably intelligible for google translate)
Nevertheless it is no mystery that the Uruguayan navy and air force with their limited resources helped their Argentine peers.
and the stupid brits thinks they have a chance to retain MAlvinas....AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA poor deluded ex empire,they are nothing...We SA are the future,...The MAlvineses are NON EXISTANT PIRATES......uk IS FINISHED!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Poor deluded Argentina. The Malvinas are NON EXISTENT.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
The UK is rich. And hardly takes notice of Argentina's whinging and whining. It doesn't care and doesn't even fight them at the UN anymore. Argentina's opinion is IGNORED.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Now do you realise how idiotic your posts are. Repeated the same thing ad nauseam only PROVES and SUPPORTS the UK's position.
Undecided people look at your posts and realise Argentineans have no argument.
You bring shame on your country (cue off topic post about some incident in my country...... NOW!)
When the day arrives (not too far away) that your country has to go 'cap in hand' to the FIG begging for them to put some buisness their way, - I want cnuts like you made accountable. Made to publicly kneel and apologise to the Falkland Islanders. No not just kneel, - You lot should be prostrate an 'kow-tow' to the Islanders you filth.
PS; Jesus Loves you!
(everyone else thinks your a cnut)
After trying to decipher your post I have come to the conclusion that you are somehow under the delusion that Uruguay is going to attack the British forces on the Falklands, and should they win, you expect them to turn them over to Argentina.
This just shows how deluded, arrogant, insane and WEAK Argentina really is.
Your military is a joke due to your government starving them of investment (by stuffing all the money in their off-shore bank accounts), you want Uruguay to do the fighting, and dying for you. And if they, for some reason did that, you then expect them to hand over the spoils (the Falklands) to Argentina lock, stock, and barrel without getting anything in return.
Insane isn't the word....STUPID is the word. Fortunately not all Argentines are as stupid as you.
@82 ED
Even Jesus has limits on who he can love. Quite frankly he too feels that Mali is a cnut, and a major one at that.
At the time of the invasion some Argentine ships were engaged in routine naval exercises with the ROU navy but whether the ROU Admiralty was told why those ships suddenly retired from the exercises iis a matter of conjecture. At the time ROU was also a military dictatorship and the joint “anti- terrorist” Plan Condor with Argentina, Chile et al was in full operation, so some info may have been exchanged
I believe it is a fact that in connection with Plan Collor, the Uruguayan military were cooperating closely, or even accepting “suggestions” made by the Argentines. Nevertheless, I doubt whether the same was true regarding the Falklands conflict. I remember a gov't decree forbidding recruitment of Uruguayans by both sides, in addition to the official declaration of neutrality. As for public opinion at the time, amongst my friends and acquaintances I only remember taking the Argentine side. Still today I believe a majority of Uruguayans are pro-Falklands, if only to spite the Argentines.
However, the Falklanders should harbour no illusions at about a possible change of heart among the Argentine population, even when and if the present government is overthrown or voted out of office, and never, never believe Argentine promises.
Of course one doesnt believe Argentine promises. The agreement with the Welsh colonists in Patagonia lasted just 35 years before it was abrogated unilaterally. As to the Beagle Channel islands dispute with Chile that was taken to arbitration I think on three occasions all of which upheld the Chilean claim which were rejected by Argentina
It almost came to a choice of war between Chile and the Falklands and the Argentine governmement chose what they thought was the soft option thoroughly underestimating the British response for which they had not planned
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