Sunday, January 20th 2013 - 22:20 UTC

Uruguay opens historic diplomatic archives to Malvinas war veterans

Uruguay will open on Monday 21 January its diplomacy archives to that Malvinas war veterans can consult classified information referred to the South Atlantic conflict when Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands in April 1982.

Gonzalez Trejo plans to copy all the data reference to the 1982 war

The main hall of Uruguay’s Palacio Santos, seat of the Foreign Ministry

The decision to declassify documents with access to the Malvinas veterans was agreed following a request from the Argentine embassy in Montevideo on petition from Cesar Gonzalez Trejo who was president of the Malvinas Veterans Federation.

The embassy in Montevideo said in a release that the Malvinas veteran had requested ‘support’ to have access to the Falklands/Malvinas war documents in Montevideo for which he also asked for a scanner and a lap top.

According to the release Ambassador Dante Dovena accepted the request and helped the former combatant to achieve his goal.

Cesar Gonzalez Trejo is a Malvinas war veteran, as a former president of the Veterans’ Federation has made a name fighting for the rights of his comrades and is a first line militant of the Malvinas cause.

Ambassador Dovena confirmed that the embassy has provided the veteran with a scanner and a laptop so he can copy and register all the information he feels is of interest.

The release signed by the Argentine embassy advisor, Victorino Pirillo ends saying that the Malvinas Forum in Uruguay reiterates its support to Argentina’s standing sovereignty claim over the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces.

Uruguay during the South Atlantic conflict adopted a strict neutral position and from Montevideo the British marines captured at the beginning of the conflict were flown back to UK. Similarly at the end of the war hundreds of Argentine prisoners were channelled back to Argentina through Montevideo.

Public opinion in Uruguay was divided on the conflict, basically rejecting the use of force to solve disputes and particularly since it is a small country and the best and probably only defence is absolute abidance with international law.

Nevertheless it is no mystery that the Uruguayan navy and air force with their limited resources helped their Argentine peers.
 

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1 Shed-time (#) Jan 20th, 2013 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
So, what he's basically going to find out is that Uruguay helped the Argentines to kill British servicemen and attempt to (using international legal speech) ethnically cleanse the population presumably by piping them through Montevideo. Now they currently sort of support the sort of same sort of thing, kind of.

Will he be scanning those bits too? Will he be taking the scanner and laptop with him?
2 José Malvinero (#) Jan 20th, 2013 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
“when Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands in April 1982”
Error. Britain invaded Malvinas in 1833 but not Argentina in 1982.
3 Shed-time (#) Jan 20th, 2013 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
@2 No, Malvinas doesn't exist. We couldn't have invaded a fictitious entity even if we tried with some crayons and paper.

However, in the real world, the Argentines invaded the Falklands in 1982 and got evicted by force. Now the Argentines are sour because they're a bit sh!t at everything... and riddled with poverty.

This has caused them to try to peddle a group delusion around south america about them invading an non-real abstraction of some islands, rather than deal with the cold reality.
4 Clyde15 (#) Jan 20th, 2013 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
#2
How could the UK invade its own territory in 1833 OR 1982.
You live in a fantasy world.
5 Lord Ton (#) Jan 20th, 2013 - 11:04 pm Report abuse
#2 No - quite correct. Argentina has invaded the Falklands twice - 1832 and 1982.
6 redpoll (#) Jan 20th, 2013 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
Hm interesting. Will the UK govt be given similar rights I wonder. Who is supervising this man as he copies the archives?I suspect nobody and so many of the unfavourable aticles archived will be “disappeared”
7 Anglotino (#) Jan 20th, 2013 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
@2 José

Agreed Britain didn't invade Argentina in 1982!

As the islands are not Argentine; Britain liberated them in 1982 not invaded.

I'm so glad you see it that way.
8 Shed-time (#) Jan 20th, 2013 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
Does anyone know what this guy is going to scan? or is this just some method of him trying to get some dollars?
9 reality check (#) Jan 20th, 2013 - 11:26 pm Report abuse
What could a Argentine Falklands vet possibly think he could find in Uruguayan records?
10 JohnN (#) Jan 20th, 2013 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
Since the Argentine military junta was so busy killing Argentines, Uruguayan dictatorship under General Gregorio Álvarez “helping their peers” also played a part of that mass-killing. Since so much of the mass-killing of Argentines appeared to end with defeat of the Argentines in the Falklands, will be interesting to see if more information on Uruguayan military complicity with the fascist Argentine junta comes to light.
11 Shed-time (#) Jan 20th, 2013 - 11:49 pm Report abuse
I can see the Uruguayans were likely complicit in helping their bff out with some supermarine depth charging of drugged french nuns, whilst assisting them in killing British troops. I just don't really understand why someone has got this much time on his hands in order to do something of so little value.
12 Britninja (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 01:15 am Report abuse
Do veterans in other countries obsess about their failure for decades like this, or is it a particularly Argie trait?
13 José Malvinero (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 02:39 am Report abuse
“... it is a small country ...”
Uruguay: 176.215km2
England: 130.395km2
Britain: 209.331km2
Not so small ...
14 aedi (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 02:56 am Report abuse
When people here talk of Uruguay or Urugayans, they surely are talking about those armed ones that were under orders from the USA, the “natural” allies of the UK, killing and torturing as many Uruguayans as they could, and at the same time, giving up the Martin Garcia island to their “brothers in arms” on the other side of the River Plate.
15 screenname (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 03:19 am Report abuse
“Cesar Gonzalez Trejo is a Malvinas war veteran”

Let's hope there are no loud noises while he is there, or he could get scared and run off, leaving scanner and a lap top that he has been trusted with unattended.
16 Anglotino (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 03:27 am Report abuse
“... it is a small country ...”
Uruguay: 3,286,314 people
England: 53,012,456 people
Britain: 56,081,207 people
UK: 63,181,775 people
Not so big ...
17 screenname (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 04:13 am Report abuse
#16 Anglotino: That cannot be right, the Ingles are evil land grabing colonist pirates!!

Looking at your figures and those of #13 José Malvinero, the evil ingles have less land than everyone. This must be London propaganda!!
18 CJvR (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 06:10 am Report abuse
@2

There is one accurate word in your post, “error”.
19 LEPRecon (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 06:36 am Report abuse
I can understand giving hin access to the information, but I think it's a bit of a cheek for him to ask for a laptop and scanner.

Once he as scanned this information, what then? Is he just going to foxtrot oscar with the laptop?

I don't believe he's thought it through.

On the other hand, nice native Amerindian name he has there...not! So we have a Spanish/Italian descendant of Europeans, wanting to steal more land, and not understanding that he got his arse handed to him.

I'm interested to know what his rank and job was during the illegal invasion and occupation. Was he 'bravely' holding weapons to the heads of women and children and threatening them?

In fact, I wonder what he did during the Dirty War? Throw nuns out of planes? Help disappear people?

It seems to me this is a pointless exercise, and a waste of time to try and grab a bit of publicity. Probably on La Campora's pay roll.
20 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 07:17 am Report abuse
2 José Malvinero

**Yawn................**
21 Iron Man (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 07:33 am Report abuse
I believe he will claim that Argentina once owned the scanner and laptop, in 1833, and reclaim it in the name of the Argentine republic.
22 inthegutter (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 07:58 am Report abuse
#2 Since your colleagues seem incapable of answering this question I'll direct it to you: Should Argentina return land forcibly stripped from the Amerindians in the late 19th century? How about the land acquired through bloody conquest from Paraguay during the War of the Triple Alliance?
23 Musky (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 07:58 am Report abuse
He's looking for any secret docs that say 'the malvinas are very very”.
24 HansNiesund (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 08:25 am Report abuse
If his pic's any guide, he's aiming to play Supermario on that laptop.
25 Frank (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 09:39 am Report abuse
He is an RG scammer looking for free lap dancing in Monte .....but then again maybe something has been lost in translation and he is just another delusional malvinero twat
26 JuanGabriel (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 09:41 am Report abuse
Apparently the 'laptop' is actually an electronic typewriter and the 'scanner' is a snappy snaps disposable. KFC has yet to determine if enough funds are available to develop the film.
27 Room101 (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 09:43 am Report abuse
It's just a pot boiler for CFK: she has a re-re-election coming up.
28 Shed-time (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 10:41 am Report abuse
So this is what a life of pure sourness and indescribable sore-loserishness looks like.

Interesting.
29 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 11:26 am Report abuse
'Media in Argentina controlled by groups defending British colonial positions Malvinas'
www.kaosenlared.net/america-latina/item/44363-video-medios-en-argentina-controlados-por-grupos-brit%C3%A1nicos-defienden-posiciones-coloniales-en-malvinas.html

Was expecting Mercopress to run the following story but haven't, so for those that haven't seen it...

'For the government, the referendum in the Falklands is “disrespectful to the intelligence”'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1547351-para-el-gobierno-el-referendo-en-malvinas-es-una-falta-de-respeto-a-la-inteligencia
30 Brit Bob (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 11:39 am Report abuse
@2

The Falkland Islands were first claimed by Britain in 1765 - Argentina did not inherit the islands from Spain - Fact.

Vernet had permission from Britain to set up a commercial enterprise on the Falklands before switching allegiance to Argentina - Fact.

While Vernet and his Argentine garrison were asked to leave, the majority of settlers chose to stay - Fact.

The 3,000 Falkland Islanders are part of a British Overseas Territory - they do not wish to become part of Argentina just like the Canary Islanders do not wish to become part of Morocco - Fact.

The fact is, Argentina has NO moral Nor legal claim to the Falkland Islands.

If you understood your history you might stop believing in propaganda and lies. The truth is out there: www.falklandshistory.org/
31 yankeeboy (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
Peronism ( Socialism/Marxism) works until you run out of other people's money.
That happened in 2012.
32 Clyde15 (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
#29
Disrespectful to the intelligence of the Argentine Govt.
I have not seen ANY sign of intelligence from them !
33 Simon68 (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
29 Steve-33-uk (#)
Jan 21st, 2013 - 11:26 am

Interesting links, Steve, the first one to Kaosred has one glaring error when it says that the Buenos Aires Herald belongs to Mordoch when in fact the BAH belongs to Sergio Spolsky, a business man allied to CFK. Thus the BAH is part of the Government press monopoly!!!!!!
34 reality check (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
@14
Plonker! killing under the orders of the Amerricans and by association the UK.
Thats it mate, shift the blame. Take responsibility for your own crimes! stop looking for the convenient scapegoats for your own monstrous deeds! You murdered your own, face it.
35 Idlehands (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
I like the way the referendum is regarded as a disrespectful insult to Argentine intelligence. Weren't they claiming revently that the islanders were held in subjugation by force of arms?
36 Gordo1 (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
It is accepted internationally that the archipelago is known as the Falklands when it is part of a text in English and Malvinas when a reference appears in Spanish language text. Alternatively, one can use Falklands/Malvinas or Malvinas/Falklands.

The Buenos Aires Herald usually ignores this protocol and in spite of employing English for its articles always uses the “Malvinas” name. Shame on them for their ignorance!

As far as the access to the Uruguayan archives are concerned I am not too worried. If Uruguay took a neutral position not much will appear that is embarrassing to either of the combating nations. However, if Uruguay's unofficial stance was to favour one side of the other then “the manure may hit the fan”!

Anyway 30 years have passed since the armed conflict and Britain has opened its archives to all and sundry - no damage was done! The present deterioration in British/Argentine relations is entirely due to the ranting and raving of la Kretina et al as Britain has done nothing to provoke Argentina's wrath except insist on the participation of the islanders in any conversations about the future of the archipelago.

If César González Trejo finds anything embarrassing to Uruguay I am sure he'll keep quiet about it. On the other hand, if he finds anything to the detriment of Britain he will milk it for all its worth.

Bit of a storm in a teacup, methinks!
37 Shed-time (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 01:52 pm Report abuse
The biggest crime against intelligence is simply the Argentine educational system with its la campora lessons.

If it's against international law, then why don't they send in Marcelo-Hector Cohen-Timmerman to do some of his remonstrating at the podium?
38 Gordo1 (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
Redpoll - I have just heard your message.

Does my @36 cover it?
39 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
'Argentina attacks Falkland Islands referendum - Argentina has attacked the forthcoming Falkland Islands referendum as showing “a disrespect for national and international law”.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9815908/Argentina-attacks-Falkland-Islands-referendum.html
40 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
I'm kind of surprised, and a little disapointed that a 'veteran' of the conflict has this same obsession as the rest of the malvinistas.
If he was a real 'veteran' or had seen combat, I think he would accept the defeat, and get on with his life.
Clearly the guy can't accept that they surrendered, or perhaps he feels guilty that he did not do enough (or anything) against the British forces when he had the chance?
41 GFace (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
I'm pretty sure that Galtieri's colleagues in Uruguay would not have endangered any potential future relations with the inevitable winner of this war, the UK, by enabling war crimes against her civilians or soldiers. Similarly UY knows that they live next to an unstable neighbor and had to play nice there too. UY may have intercepted communications between the occupying forces and w.r.t AR's well documented war crimes and human rights violations but I doubt we'll ever see it nor will this unrepentant apologist for the Dirty War likely disclose it and it will likely be nothing that we haven't heard before. I agree with Gordo @36 that this is a fishing expedition to find dirt on the UK to distract from the referendum and the islanders exercising the very fundamental human rights that Argentina then and now continue to want to deny to the islanders.
42 Anbar (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
“””Peronism ( Socialism/Marxism) works until you run out of other people's money. “”“”

Maggie Thatcher quote I believe...?

this story appears to be a complete non-story though... how is it news worthy?
43 Conqueror (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
@2 Do tell us everything you know about the following dates. 1690. 1765. 1770/71. 1831. 1833. 1850. 1947. 1948. 1955. 1982. 2 May 1982.
@15 So many questions about this guy. Why does he call himself by that funny name? Why doesn't he use his usual name - Peter Pan? Then we'd understand his association with Neverland. Did he ever go? Or did he only make it as far as Tierra del Fuego? What makes him a “veteran”? Is he old? Subject to the usual memory lapses? Psychoses? Shiny trouser seat syndrome? How come he's a “veteran” of a place that doesn't exist?
@25 I don't think so. When you're going to “alter” or even “forge” historical documents it's important to copy the originals before you destroy them. Then you can produce the copies that you so fortuitously made that, amazingly, say just what you hoped they'd say.
@29 Thanks for those links. Both hilarious. But what I thought funniest was that “kaosenlared” followed the article by a request to subscribe AND that Boudou had the gall to refer to “respect” and “intelligence” when arsieland has neither.
@37 Is it not the case that “cretinaland” is known by that name not so much because it is run by criminal-in-chief Cretina Kirchner but because it is full of cretins. Anybody seen any intelligence in arsie newspapers? Anybody seen any intelligence in such correspondents here as “P-H”, “Twinky”, “J M”, “Gustbury”, “y a n f”, “M Alejandro”, “Malv”, “malen”, “alex_arg” and how many others. One of the reasons it's so easy to lose one's rag on here is that an attempt to have an intelligent discussion with an arsie gets a response on the level of “La la la. Don't like what you're saying. Can't hear. La la la.” Pure, unadulterated gibberish!
44 ChrisR (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
I bet this 'veteran', suitably attired with his war losers’ medal, will find incontrovertible evidence that Vernet led the victorious argie charge up that well known street Cristina cul-de-sac in 1982.

They just cannot get over having their arses kicked off the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you prats) can they?
45 Shed-time (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
@40,44 I'm just confused by the whole thing. He's not even claiming to be some kind of amateur historian who is trying to uncover the truth. He's a militant demanding a scanner so he can scan some papers which are unlikely to be of any great value.

I guess the only interest I have in this whole article is understanding that this is what you look like after suffering from pathological sore-losership. Freud would have suggested that you build bigger and bigger psychological defenses in order to deal with hiding from reality, and all that is no doubt psychologically damaging. Rather than spending time with his family and friends, he's decided to go to Uruguay to find more evidence that ultimately Argentina lost the war, and sat over his scanner he will probably feel quite lost, touching his 'jostling the islanders' and his medal for 'illegal mine laying'.

Being a sore loser really is a sh!t lifestyle choice.
46 redpoll (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
Where did mercopress get this story? As far as I can there is no refernrce to it either in the Uruguayn newspapers or on the government websites. The MP story was posted at 11pm Sunday night and the authoirization for the examination of the archives was from 9am Monday morning, a gap of ten hours in the middle of the night. On such a sensitive issue for Uruguay, parliament should have been informed and were not
Are they records now in the public domaine or is it just for this Malvinista. Were the British embassy in Montevideo as former interested combatants in the dispute informed? If not a gross insult to normal diplomatic courtesies as they should also have been allowed to scan the records also
From the story it would appear that Gonzalez Trejo will not be supervised while he examines the archives so future historians may find that a lot of matierial and pages have been disappeared
47 Shed-time (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
@ 46 It'll look like the final days ofEnron in that office once he's finished. Shredding had never looked so good.

I don't think he's interested in history.
48 briton (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Just what exactly will all this achieve?

Besides a corrupt government official, corrupting and falsifying the evidence, to suit Argentina,

But on the other hand, it may stir up more trouble for those letting corrupt officials into the archives in the first place.

.
49 slattzzz (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
Pointless exercise, you should be looking at the reasons you lost a war when the foe had to travel 8000 miles to kick arse, you can't say you had no warning it was all over the tv that the task force had sailed but you sat there and didn't reinforce or strenghten the defences, so tough shit he will probably be looking at lots of photos of rg soldiers backs as they run away
50 reality check (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
As I understand it, Uruguay were neutral in 82 and may, may! have given some form of covert assistance to Argentina. So what is this guy looking for?

Agree with other posters though, thirty years is long enough mate, get over it, try using the same effort to do something more useful.
51 Shed-time (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
I wonder what his wife look like if she put up with this level of sourness for that length of time.
52 agent999 (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
@46
just google “Cesar Gonzalez Trejo”
the number of hits on this veteran is large

a few samples

falklandsnews.wordpress.com/tag/cesar-gonzalez-trejo/

indecquetrabaja.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/malvinas-argentinas-la-voz-de-cesar.html
53 Anbar (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
“”“just google “Cesar Gonzalez Trejo””“”

ahhh, right... on a couple of them he claims that the UK started the war in 1982, not Argentina.

say no more....
54 slattzzz (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
@52, 53 well thats got to be the biggest pile of shite I have ever read, maybe he suffers from PTSD or got a blow to the head in 82, if he did it wasn't hard enough
55 Gordo1 (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
César González Trejo is not the most popular man in Argentina. There are websites which demand to know with which unit he served in the 1982 illegal invasion and subsequent armed conflict. I even found in one of his own blogs this description of him:-
“CHORRO LUCRASTE CON LA CAUSA MALVINAS,BASURA, 649 HERMANOS TE RECLAMARAN ESO.
TREJO TRAIDOR.”

Not the most popular man it seems!
56 Anbar (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
sorry, i was a bit off... Argentina DID start the war, but only to prevent the UK building Mount Pleasant airfield/base.

A few other interesting “facts” emerged also:

There are more Argentine “veterans” claiming the “I served in the falklands pay bonus” (retirement) than actual veterans who fought in the entire conflict.

British Officers & NCOs routinely tortured captured Argentinians...the stories about Argentine Officers & NCOs torturing their own conscripts are untrue and made by British sympathisers.

The USA wants the UK to retain the Falklands as a base for future exploitation of Antarctica by them (and the UK).

The UN recently 'accepted as accurate' an Argentine map that showed their (Argentinas) sovereign territory to include the Falklands, South Sandwich, St Georgia and a large part of Antarctica.

the list goes on...
57 Shed-time (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
@52 Your second link... he says, “A blatant lie, as great as that Argentina began the war in 1982.”

Haha, I wonder what 'think' would say about this La Campora trooper.
58 Gordo1 (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
Redpoll @46

As a person closely allied to Uruguay you are rightly raising matters which many of us had not taken into account.

It should be a matter of concern for the people of Uruguay that, apparently, the Embassy of Argentina may have been given illegal access to secret diplomatic archives and the embassy has delegated the access to a private person who may have personal reasons to examine the papers. Also, why would the Embassy supply him with a scanner and a laptop? There is no mention of which Uruguayan Government Department has sanctioned this access.

And, who or what is the Malvinas Forum in Uruguay?
59 brucey-babe (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
The word `nutter!` comes to mind.
60 slattzzz (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
here's some data for you Cesar.......................you got gubbed now fook off back under your rock, you lowlife
61 GFace (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
@52, ah.. the same way Poland attacked Nazi Germany. Man alive, such people don't stop repeating themselves, do they? Do doubt the little girl Menendez's sniveling coward of a secret police chief held the gun to was a 20th century Lizzie Borden.

But yes, one wonders what this fellow did while “serving” in the Dirty War, both in the Falklands AND at home. Did he man the illegal detaining of civilians of Goose Green in inhumanely cramped and ~unmarked~ quarters? Did he shoot at the british from behind a surrender flag? Maliciously lay unrecorded land mines? Was he one of the ones who wanted to use the civilians of Stanley as human shields at the very end? Or as Slattzzz asks, was he just some poor piece of conscript cannon fodder for the war criminals in charge who needs to be able to look at himself in the mirror each morning knowing that the war criminals effectively got off scott free in comparison to what they truly deserved out of pandering to Kirkpatrick's and Haig's pleas to not “humiliate” the Junta.
62 Musky (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 11:44 pm Report abuse
@56 anbar
You complete twat, the usa want the falklands so that they can cross-breed beautiful martian women with sheep. This idea is less stupid than your own.
63 GFace (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 12:29 am Report abuse
(@62 Uh... Musky, he's mocking Trejo :-)
64 redpoll (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 12:48 am Report abuse
Assistant to major Patricio Dowling perhaps?
65 Frank (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 01:51 am Report abuse
This joke of a one man band with a borrowed laptop says it all about the quality of Argentinian 'historical research'
66 jlj (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 03:36 am
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67 Anglotino (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 04:00 am Report abuse
It would be a tight fit!
68 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 07:09 am Report abuse
66 jlj

Oh, hello suzie...............
69 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:23 am Report abuse
I thought this guy was a genuine 'veteran' when I first posted.

now I see he's just another cockroach malvanista.
70 reality check (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:44 am Report abuse
Gonzalez. is that Gordon in English?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8qEQ6Gb0p0
71 Gordo1 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:57 am Report abuse
If you really want to know “González” means “Son of Gonzalo”, just as Fernández(i.e. la Kretina) means “Son of Fernando”. This is the Spanish version of the Scandinavian method of giving surnames.

In the case of this “pobrecito” César González Trejo, César is his Christian name, González is his father's first surname and Trejo is his mother's first surname, also his maternal grandfather's first surname. A bit complicated?
72 Shed-time (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
@71 so following your logic 'Kirchner' means 'son of an SS commander'. What does timmerman mean?
73 Anbar (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
@62 Musky “@56 anbar
You complete twat, the usa want the falklands so that they can cross-breed beautiful martian women with sheep. This idea is less stupid than your own.”“”

It isnt MY idea numbnuts; : its from the articles loony google links...ffs.... where's Think when you need somebody calling a Turnip?
74 Gordo1 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
@72 Shed-time
Clearly logic is not required to make you an idiot!
75 Shed-time (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
@74 Takes one to know one.
76 GFace (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
@62/56/73, Crossing Beautiful Martian Women with Sheep is the most cogent idea the Malvanistas have come up with in years. I don't think Whitley Streiber and Art Bell ever came up with something that fiendishly diabolical yet so terribly, ~terribly~ sad. Poe call your office.
77 screenname (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
Is CFK a Beautiful Martian Woman? She does not look human, but she might be beautiful by Martian standards.

After his stay on the Falklands in 1982 maybe Cesar Gonzalez Trejo developed a taste for mating with sheep, and has recommended this to CFK as a way of populating the Falklands via the back door (no not that back door, you filthy minded people).
78 Benson (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
@29 Interesting comments at the bottom in La Nacion.
“The Falkland Islands are what make the people decide freely. Argentina must worry about and deal more for future development and give its citizens, we are a nation in decline absolute, miserable, corrupt, violent. It is time that the Argentine look inward and start giving the Argentines progress. Enough about the islands.”
(reasonably intelligible for google translate)
79 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 02:15 am Report abuse
The release signed by the Argentine embassy advisor, Victorino Pirillo ends saying that the Malvinas Forum in Uruguay reiterates its support to Argentina’s standing sovereignty claim over the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces.

Nevertheless it is no mystery that the Uruguayan navy and air force with their limited resources helped their Argentine peers.
and the stupid brits thinks they have a chance to retain MAlvinas....AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA poor deluded ex empire,they are nothing...We SA are the future,...The MAlvineses are NON EXISTANT PIRATES......uk IS FINISHED!
80 Anglotino (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 06:06 am Report abuse
And yet who has the Islands in the face of all this “support”?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Poor deluded Argentina. The Malvinas are NON EXISTENT.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

The UK is rich. And hardly takes notice of Argentina's whinging and whining. It doesn't care and doesn't even fight them at the UN anymore. Argentina's opinion is IGNORED.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Now do you realise how idiotic your posts are. Repeated the same thing ad nauseam only PROVES and SUPPORTS the UK's position.

Undecided people look at your posts and realise Argentineans have no argument.

You bring shame on your country (cue off topic post about some incident in my country...... NOW!)
81 LuisM (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
Sure Uruguay helped Argentina, on very important issues like diplomatic inhibiting the British fleet to go near Buenos Aires and fire on it. But also helped England by, ie, taking care of wounded soldiers. It was a bit weird for an Uruguayan to visit Nepal (home of the Gurkhas) after the war and be treated as an old friend.
82 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
Seriously though @ malvineiro1 - I want people like you made accountable to the general public of argentina, for helping your country to fall appart, by your delibarate malevolence toward a group of people who are nothing to do with you, and whos land is nothing to do with you. You are Alien to the Falkland Islands - Alien.

When the day arrives (not too far away) that your country has to go 'cap in hand' to the FIG begging for them to put some buisness their way, - I want cnuts like you made accountable. Made to publicly kneel and apologise to the Falkland Islanders. No not just kneel, - You lot should be prostrate an 'kow-tow' to the Islanders you filth.

PS; Jesus Loves you!

(everyone else thinks your a cnut)
83 LEPRecon (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
@79 - Malvi

After trying to decipher your post I have come to the conclusion that you are somehow under the delusion that Uruguay is going to attack the British forces on the Falklands, and should they win, you expect them to turn them over to Argentina.

This just shows how deluded, arrogant, insane and WEAK Argentina really is.

Your military is a joke due to your government starving them of investment (by stuffing all the money in their off-shore bank accounts), you want Uruguay to do the fighting, and dying for you. And if they, for some reason did that, you then expect them to hand over the spoils (the Falklands) to Argentina lock, stock, and barrel without getting anything in return.

Insane isn't the word....STUPID is the word. Fortunately not all Argentines are as stupid as you.

@82 ED

Even Jesus has limits on who he can love. Quite frankly he too feels that Mali is a cnut, and a major one at that.
84 ynsere (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 03:27 am Report abuse
I've never come across any credible evidence that Uruguayan forces helped the Argentines against the UK in 1982. If they did and the person or persons are still alive they should be taken to court on a number of counts.
85 redpoll (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
Ynsere I havent heard anything of this nature either.I think Montevideo was briefly considered as an advanced base by the UK govt instead of Ascension Island but rejected. Whether diplomatic overtures to the ROU govt were made I dont know. But there miust have been some agreement to allow the hospital ships to dock at Montevideo and the onward transmission of the wounded by air from Carrasco or in one case Durazno. The Argentines I think wanted ROU to remain neutral as Montevideo was a convenient exchange point for sending the captured marines and other civilians back to UK
At the time of the invasion some Argentine ships were engaged in routine naval exercises with the ROU navy but whether the ROU Admiralty was told why those ships suddenly retired from the exercises iis a matter of conjecture. At the time ROU was also a military dictatorship and the joint “anti- terrorist” Plan Condor with Argentina, Chile et al was in full operation, so some info may have been exchanged
86 ynsere (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
Redpoll
I believe it is a fact that in connection with Plan Collor, the Uruguayan military were cooperating closely, or even accepting “suggestions” made by the Argentines. Nevertheless, I doubt whether the same was true regarding the Falklands conflict. I remember a gov't decree forbidding recruitment of Uruguayans by both sides, in addition to the official declaration of neutrality. As for public opinion at the time, amongst my friends and acquaintances I only remember taking the Argentine side. Still today I believe a majority of Uruguayans are pro-Falklands, if only to spite the Argentines.
However, the Falklanders should harbour no illusions at about a possible change of heart among the Argentine population, even when and if the present government is overthrown or voted out of office, and never, never believe Argentine promises.
87 redpoll (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
Thanks ysere for your input. Most of the folk up here in the nortth were pro Brit or regarded the conflict in Borges words “two bald men fighting over a comb”
Of course one doesnt believe Argentine promises. The agreement with the Welsh colonists in Patagonia lasted just 35 years before it was abrogated unilaterally. As to the Beagle Channel islands dispute with Chile that was taken to arbitration I think on three occasions all of which upheld the Chilean claim which were rejected by Argentina
It almost came to a choice of war between Chile and the Falklands and the Argentine governmement chose what they thought was the soft option thoroughly underestimating the British response for which they had not planned

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