The Falklands people decision in March should be the final word
One of the leading New Zealand newspapers, The Dominion Post, has addressed the issue of the Falklands, the dispute with Argentina and the coming March referendum in an editorial “Islanders should decide their destiny”, which we kindly reproduce.
In March, Falkland Islanders will vote in a referendum asking whether they want to retain their status as an overseas territory of the United Kingdom. It is expected that every single one of them will say yes.
If so, Argentina should respect their wishes. It should be for the Island's 3100 residents to determine their political and sovereign status, no-one else.
The sabre-rattling in recent weeks over the Falklands has stirred memories of the bloody war fought over two months after Argentina invaded and occupied them in April 1982. More than 250 British servicemen, about 650 Argentines and three Islanders died before Britain regained control.
The world has, of course, changed markedly since then. In 1982, Argentina was ruled by a brutal military junta, and the decision to invade the Malvinas, as the Argentines know the islands, was primarily motivated by the desire to distract attention from rampant inflation and economic decline at home.
There is no reason to believe Argentine President Cristina Fernandez is considering anything so drastic. Argentina does not want another war over the Islands any more than Britain.
However, reports last week that Britain is planning a military show of force in the Falklands before the referendum highlight the tension the centuries-long dispute over sovereignty still stirs. There is a risk that any confrontation could quickly escalate.
Britain's main concern is reportedly that Buenos Aires could stage an aggressive stunt, such as sending a small party to plant an Argentine flag on Falklands soil if, as expected, there is a 100 per cent vote to remain an overseas territory of the UK. There are also concerns Argentina's navy could harass the Falklands fishing fleet and disrupt British oil and gas exploration.
Should any of those come to pass, there is a danger of unwanted conflict. It is a time for cool heads to prevail.
Both Argentina and Britain advance strong arguments to support their claims to the Falklands.
Buenos Aires says that Spain won recognition to the Malvinas in 1767 and sovereignty passed to Argentina when it became independent, which occurred before the British settled the Islands. It also insists that Britain's claim to land 14,000 kilometres from London cannot be sustained.
For its part, Britain points to the fact that the first known landing on the uninhabited Falklands was made by a British naval captain in 1690. It also says the Spanish abandoned the islands in 1811, and there were no inhabitants or form of government till the British settlement began 22 years later.
The strongest argument is that the principles of self-determination dictate that those who live on the Islands should decide how they are governed.
The historical complexity of the claims and counter claims and the uncertainty over who would win if the issue ever went to court makes it highly unlikely the Falklands’ dispute will ever be resolved to both sides' satisfaction.
The people best placed to determine the Falklands' destiny are those who have made their homes there. Their decision in March should be the final word.
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Amen!
Ordinarily you would think this was so obvious it didn't need saying, but evidently not.
We could say it still is dressed in tights heels and botox
'ALL BLACKS' rule - ya prick.
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Back on topic, it's nice to see New Zealand show support to that enshrined UN mandate of self determination.
That should add flames to the fire! light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance...
I wonder if all the nations of the world would respect the decision, when we overwhelmingly vote to get out of these institutions bent on dominating us.
Somehow I doubt it, but it would expose them for the hipocrites they are. The rest of the world denies Argentines self-determination.
He posted just as I was working out the odds. He wont get 25/1 next time! :D
“The strongest argument is that the principles of self-determination dictate that those who live on the Islands should decide how they are governed.”
You`re ingoring such a principle is not applicable for these people.
“Their decision in March should be the final word.”
We´re ok if they stop talking.
Any day now the one way charter flights will start for trips over The South Atlantic
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE FACKING VICTIM.
“NZ does have a UK appointed Governor General!”
The New Zeland Govenor-General is appointed to the Office by the Queen of New Zealand on the advice of the Prime Minister of New Zealand.
He/she serves at the Queen's pleasure and may be dismissed upon advice from the Prime Minister.
New Zealand is a sovereign independent constitutional monarchy with its own Queen. The UK government has nothing to do with this process.
Islas Malvinas Argentina are not negotiable and need to be decolonised and the illegal aliens deported or documented as they do in U.S, canuda and UK. Bias international laws lead to anarchy as they will all find out. For this reason and to this aim as an Argentine support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina to end the illegal occupation of Silas Malvinas Argentina, I further agree that fakland holding is a vritish corporation that needs to go back home, the theft of Argentina's natural resources must and will come to an end, one way or another we are all ready to pay the price. CFK we love you.
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
www.fihplc.com/index.php?section=0
bitter twisted and brainwashed
Just like she used her son's thugs to intimidate Argentines not to use British businesses and then used them herself. Hypocrite indeed.
Argentine decendents migrated to Argentina from Spain as did Falkland Island Decendents from England both have grown into self governing communities why do you see yourself (Argentines)as something different and better???? surely on your thoughts and principles you lot should be pissing of back to Spain and Italy.
Why bother with a referendum? Argentina's membership of those respected organisations is only bringing down the tone of the whole neighbourhood. You should just sling your hook and be done with it.
16 Pirat-Hunter
You think an “Argentine support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina” Will solve your problems???
I agree!!! The correct amount of explosives will solve all of your problems.... However a nuclear defence program won't solve Argentina's.. Unless it's aimed directly at KFC house.
Just pay whatever you owe to EVERYONE that has one a judgement and current balances with EVERY Int'l bank and org and be on your way. We will wave from the dock and wish you a fond farewell.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
Don't forget what “Think” has told us is in the Argentine National Archives...it could be important.
In January 1833, 50 odd members of a United Provinces militia who had been on the islands 10 weeks were removed by the crew of HMS Clio. They had already mutineed, murdered and raped in this 10 week window.
The current Argentine Vice President is calling these people the “indigenous” population of the islands..
Chuckle chuckle
Dead? I don't to college in the USA, or walk around the London tube looking “foreign”.
I'm better than ever, Mendoza is better than ever, and I'm here to torture you all throughout 2013.
Toby< I am surprised your boyfriend hasn't set you in fire. That seems to be going on at least once week now all over your lovely and peaceful country.
No, you don't toture us at all, unless you count the side splitting laugh a minute we get at your outlandish posts and juvenile 'thinking'.
The Brits and the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you prats) WILL BE HERE afer your poor, bashed up (by TMBOA) country has sunk out of sight.
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I don't think so. Popular games have a remarkable history of being right... Roman strategy games in 300AD predicted “post-Rome inferno” in 500 years from their time... other boards games in medieval Europe predicted the relentless wars of the 15th, 16th, and 17th centuries. Board games around 1900 predicted a colossal world war and the loss of “Empire” by the European nations by a revenge of the subjugated natives.
''You`re ingoring such a principle is not applicable for these people.''
Says who? It doesn't become true just because you keep saying it. Britain is the sovereign power and Britain can allow us to determine our own future if it wishes. Failing that we would declare independence and claim the right to self determination under the UN charter.
What you want (domination and subjugation of us by a foreign power, you) doesn't come into it.
Oh and it was the Secretary General of the UN who said our wishes should be respected. Do try to keep up.
25 Nostrolldamus the 8th
Hey Nostril, I'm glad you haven't dropped off the perch. You are the funniest thing on here. Why don't you confound us with some big words to make the day complete.
That's what every single solitary Brit in this forum argues and advocates for.
Talk about hipocricy huh?
I don't know..had the native Patagonians been there for shorter than 10 weeks? Had they raped and murdered.
If the answer is no then they couldn't have been indigenous according to the Malvinistas!!!!
Chuckle
Do you not read? Every day the foreigners demand Argentina return all the lands to natives, to Paraguay, to Chile, Martin Garcia Is. to Uruguay, Iguazu falls to Brazil, etc, etc, etc...
Of course they demand nothing of the sort from the North Americans, Australians, or New Zealanders.
We Argentines don't point this out anymore because it is a pleonasm to speak of British or Anglo-saxon hypocricy.
You haven't quite got the hang of Malvinita logic yet. It's not actually all that hard (I mean it couldn't be, could it?), you just need to abandon any notion of consistency, relevance, or evidence-based belief. Fortunately, the Troll is back to give us another master class.
By the way, I've been scanning the comments pages on your online media, and its not surprising at all to see a lot of people saying things like “Enough with these Islands, what about x,y,z that are real problems”. There's a few odd - easily spotted - aggressive ranting Campora folks every so often, but it looks like you are losing control of cyberspace...
Which I suppose is worrying because the last resort of the ignorant is violence, and there's a lot of ignorance supporting CFK.
The so called “hypocricy” is only a reaction to the boring demands and accusations of Argentina. Once Argentina stops the “whinging” we will be quiet.
and it is strange that rhetoric from Argentina about colonies in South America NEVER EVER mentions French Guiana. ;)
They tell her what she wants to hear,thats why ships still dock at other South American countrys thats why Lan Chile still fly to The Falkland Islands it's lip service you fool.
Sorry Argentina but the islanders have the right to decide their own government. Simple, end of
The Ostrich mentality is rife in Argentina
You might use big words, but you're actually a bit thick, aren't you.
When people suggest that Argentina might like to give various chunks of its territory back to their original inhabitants, it's not because they actually think you should do it. It's a means of pointing out the idiocy of Argentina's claim to the Falklands.
They don't do the same to New Zealand, the USA etc because they aren't the ones trying to take someone's country on the grounds of being 'the original inhabitants'.
I think most of the world could tell you well in advance what the likely opinion on the falklands issue would be from a newspaper called........ “The Dominion Post”. lolol
next up - commies, good or bad? lets ask 'Texas nascar weekly'.
Call me old fashioned but I thought the idea of “negotiations” was that both parties come to the table with a list of what they would like, they talk and they go away with some of the things that they wanted, and everyone is happy.
Someone should have told KFC / TMBOA / Ol’Turkey Neck / The Harpy that this is what it’s all about. There can be no negotiations while the Argentineans remain so inflexible.
I think you will find that there are countries such as The Bahamas, Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica which support the Falkland cause.
“@Nostrolldamus the 8th,I have come to the conclusion just like your lover the botox queen Crissy Kirchner you might be a little kinky. It seems you like to come to this forum talk bollocks then get the biggest tongue lashing ever for doing so,do you get of on it or something????”
He'll take the attention any way he can get it - but it needs to be continuous :-)
Argentina welcome to the 21st century... :) see you on the beach!
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9820163/Falklands-warship-sinks-in-Argentina.html
‘France should back Britain in event of Falklands fight’
www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/local/10178793.___France_should_back_Britain_in_event_of_Falklands_fight___/?ref=nt
So Mr Arturo “we want you to remove your military so we can invade the Falklands and oppress the people there” Puricelli is trying to cover up the neglect of his government, and previous governments, regarding the maintenance of their Navy by insinuating that it was sabotage.
I wonder how long it will be before they are accusing British Special Forces of 'attacking' them.
My God, they really are getting desperate now, aren't they?
They starve their military of funds (whilst stuffing their own off-shore bank accounts), and when it all goes tits up, they try and blame someone else!
They should be thankful that this vessel sank whilst in dock, and not while sailing around the Atlantic, otherwise they may have lost the crew, or have had the embarrassment of being rescued by the RN.
However, sooner or later the Argentine government will fall. The world will support the self-determination of the Falkland Islanders (with the exception of the usual suspects).
The rest of South America will see the benefit of trading and building good relationships with the Falkland Islands. Argentina will remain mired in the 19th century, unable to move forwards due to their backwards thinking.
But CFK and co have done a good job, which they must be thanked for. They have placed the Falklands in the international spotlight, giving them good publicity. Countries are now looking at the Falklands, and looking into its history, as to which they can see that the Argentine claim is bogus.
Added to this, is the fact that the Argentine public are gettting fed up about CFKs constant harping on about this non-issue, whilst ignoring very pressing problems in Argentina.
Soon they will be so sick of hearing about the Falklands that they will just switch off to the issue.
Oh wait your bankrupt and even if you weren't your cowards and imbeciles. The only people you have defeated in the last 150 years are the unarmed and the grossly outnumbered .
You proved time and time again Argentina is a joke of a country.
Your highly trained un peacekeepers in cyprus do the same job TA part timers do.
I was just trying to feed the trolls for some sport!
Second time the Argentines tried to take the islands: Outcome = Loss
(present day)
Third time the Argentines try to take the islands: Outcome = Loss
Fourth time the Aregntines try to take the islands: Outcome = Loss
Einstein defined an imbecile as someone who tries the same thing over and over, whilst expecting a different outcome. They're basically a nation of imbeciles.
www.viralviralvideos.com/2012/08/27/new-zealand-defen...
Awesome respect for a fallen comrade.
Seriously, if that's the case why doesn't your country simply just take its case to the ICJ?
The UN constitutionally cannot rule on a sovereignty dispute that dates back to pre-1945
As Steveu has said, if you have a case take it to the ICJ.
Of course you haven't got a case, the land has never been and never will be Argentinian.
You see, you Argentines have no understanding of how the world works. You think that if you demand things, lie and stamp your feet you can get whatever you want. Well that only works if you're 5 years old.
If Argentina was truly interested in the Falklands, you would've spent the last 30 years building up trust and friendship with the people of the Falklands.
But you haven't. The Falkland Islands community predates the existence of Argentina, and that is why you won't take this alleged sovereignty case to the ICJ. You know that they would laugh you out of the courtroom.
The referendum in March will show the world the self-determination of the Falkland Islanders to live their own lives, in their own community, using their own laws and government.
Argentina will continue to cry and beg and otherwise humilate yourselves on the international stage, but it will be to no avail. Your attempts to acquire this land that has never belonged to you have failed. Your illegitamte sovereignty claim is as extinct as the Dodo.
Try sorting out the corruption in your government, police etc... Try respecting the native Amerindians, who are still being murdered by the descendents of the colonists who stole their land.
Try to restore Argentina's reputation on the international stage, and becoming a grown up country, and then you'll realise just how lame your claims to the Falklands are.
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
@10 Of course we'd respect your decision. In fact, don't bother with the referendum. Just go! If you hang on a while, I'll give you a whole list of institutions you should leave!
@12 Stop talking. Your opinion is irrelevant. As are you!
@16 The price is YOUR life. YOU, personally. Ready?
@25 You don't (spikka da) language either.
@28 I've got “Risk”! I've blown latinamerica off the planet several times. Wait for it!
@32 Don't know. Is your hipocricy at the top of your legocricy?
@35 And do you pay any attention?
@42 There is no “Malvinas Argentinas question”. “Malvinas Argentinas” is parked between “Neverland” and “Oz”. Only Tinkerbell (recently using the alias, CFK, goes there.) Or does she? Oh, I get it. She pops in on her way to the Land of Nod!
@50 I think you're partly right and partly wrong. Here's your sentence “There can be no negotiations while the Argentineans remain so inflexible.” The first five words were fine. The remaining six are a non-starter. Although, if you'll excuse the very poor grammar “There can be no negotiations while the Argentineans” is a possibility. If you take my meaning.
@60 Well you can't have it because the Islanders wouldn't have anything to live on! There, you see, that's “negotiation”. You said what you wanted and we told you why you can't have it. Now, what's next? Invasion, occupation, war? Fine. Would you like to start or should we? You send your “navy” to sea and we'll see you and raise you 20 ICBMs.
Unless you quote the name as well as the post number I doubt there's anyone that could be bothered to go up and down the thread trying to work out if you're addressing them or not.
No one cares what Argentina thinks or does. No one cares what your opinion is. Your country is going down the toilet fast. Your government is doing bugger all about it, and is indeed speeding up the inevitable collapse by stealing all of your money. Tell me, Xavierv, how are you doing living on $7 a day? Or do you get free food from La Campora?
Argentina cannot police or dictate who comes and goes in international waters, that would be against your beloved Law of the Sea, and they certainly have no say over the Falkland Islands and their territorial waters.
Once the international community sees the Falklanders showing their determination to live their lives on their land the way that they want to (self-determination to you), they will support them because they will have reached one of the outcomes the UN wanted all along. Self-determination. Argentina's opinion is as worthless as your Peso's.
The Falkland Islands will be removed from the decolonization list and that will be an end to it (or to the C24 if they go against the UN mandate), and Argentina can continue to cry and pretend to be the victim, while the rest of the world yawns and moves on.
Argentina has nothing. No valid claim. No valid argument. If you did you would've taken this to the ICJ.
Argentina's colonial amitions are over before you really had the chance to start them. But never mind, you still have some native Amerindians that you haven't murdered yet.
Estimated LEPRecon
I am critical of the government and never have given my vote. And when I say I live with $ 7 a day is absolutely certain that's true. We are a poor third world country! We live in barbarism and backwardness. But you are a refined and cultured. What are you doing here? In the midst of a country as early as mine? This is not your place, your place is in the north where people like you live! You can not come to a poor neighborhood and pretend that your neighbors are your manners uneducated. I propose to return to your neighborhood rich, is a collection and we will pay you a beautiful mansion in a suburb of London, there can relate with people in your class and not with people like me mob.
So if these people are descendants of the people who were there in 1833 and YOU STILL want them ethnically cleansed, why do you always use them as justification for taking the islands? Why don't you as a country just come out at the UN and say that you want to ethnically cleanse the islands?
It's quite simple.
Wish I lived in a mansion but above all I'm glad to live in a fantastic country that above all else values freedom, democracy and the law and I'm sure plenty of your countrymen have that same set of virtues, it is just a pity that you place YOUR opinion above law, above the UN charter and above historical fact. British posters have the law on their side, the UN charter on their side, historical fact (incontrovertible evidence) on their side. But I guess you still have your mantra 'Malvinas is Argentine' .. so Xavierv, the mindwashers have worked on you. Oh well, another lost soul.
same to you!
No ones cares what the bloody rubbish english people said in mercopress!...uuuujajaja!
Oh....quick.........look everyone.......Suzie's back.............
P.S. If there is any argie out there, just watch out with this brits, they are using this whole thing to divert media attention from their own domestic problems. Just stay away from BBC, I hear it's packed with molesters and pedophiles.
www.nuevodiarioweb.com.ar/notas/2013/1/23/soberania-argentina-antartida-430330.asp
'in the House of Commons Legislators revive British in the Falklands conflict scenarios'
www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=672671
'Falklands: British lawmakers talk of another war'
www.urgente24.com/209950-malvinas-legisladores-britanicos-hablan-de-otra-guerra
'Puricelli on wreck: “When I tell the president is going to drop their heads in shame”'
www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2013/1/23/puricelli-sobre-buque-hundido-cuando-cuente-presidenta-caer-cara-verg%C3%BCenza-692752.asp
are you trying to say SussieUS?
is the fact,
that their is nothing , but nothing,
they can do about it , lol.
keep the islands in british assholes! Now you know!
'Symbol of Argentina's Decaying Navy Sinks in Port
~ Meanwhile, Argentina's 3,100-mile (4,989-kilometer) coastline is being protected by a fleet that has been reduced to three destroyers, two other warships, several patrol boats, two scientific vessels, an icebreaker and the Libertad, the tall ship used to train cadets that was detained for months in Africa last year as collateral for unpaid debts.
Congressman Julio Martinez said Wednesday that of a total of 70 navy ships, only 16 are in sailing condition, and even then only barely. He said increases in defense spending have gone to salaries, leaving little or nothing for maintenance or investment in hardware.
“It's hugely hypocritical to talk of sabotage when for 10 years the ship has been abandoned,” Martinez told Argentina's Todo Noticias channel.
The Trinidad was mothballed only a few years after leading the ultimately unsuccessful occupation of the Falklands, which Argentines claim as the Islas Malvinas. Martinez said he, like most Argentines, has no desire to wage another war, “but if the country lacks defenses, and the British know that, they won't ever negotiate a peaceful resolution.”
abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/symbol-argentinas-decaying-navy-sinks-port-18294579
“Martinez said he, like most Argentines, has no desire to wage another war, “but if the country lacks defenses, and the British know that, they won't ever negotiate a peaceful resolution.””
We are at peace, now, with no plans otherwise.
What is the problem?
WHO would break that peace ?
Not the Falklanders.
www.clarin.com/politica/Alicia-Castro-organizo-Congreso-britanico_0_852514944.html
'Two MPs and ask for help to France for a possible war in the Falklands'
www.clarin.com/politica/Malvinas-diputados-britanicos_0_852514917.html
'The Eurolat recognized the sovereignty of Argentina over the Falklands'
www.parlamentario.com/noticia-51457.html
'The comfortable theory of “sabotage”'
www.clarin.com/politica/comoda-teoria-sabotaje_0_852514900.html
Are you sure that she wasn't asked to 'serve the wine' at the British parliament, she is a flight monkey isn't she?
The sixth edition of EuroLat, which hosted the meeting of the Latin American component, which was passed unanimously a resolution reaffirming the sovereignty of the islands Argentina.
Oh well.
'One can always trust Canada to do the right thing', Geoff (2004)
the UK can do anything including stop diplomatic relations with my country Argentina...what the UK is waiting for?
Fred what happen with Obama will serve only one term?
Wrong again baldy.
“Barack Obama’s top ten insults against Britain – 2012 edition”
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100142971/barack-obamas-top-ten-insults-against-britain-2012-edition/
You buzz-killing racist, you're back!!
Where have you been hiding since your last thorough drubbing???
:-D
That's an easy answer. The UK!
What are the problems? The US has called on the UK to negotiate over the sovereignty of the islands with Argentina - a long standing US position - thereby “undercutting” the UK's unreasonable and war like stance. Additionally the US has given the islands their correct name - a name used all over the world other than, possibly, in the UK.
Other transgression include naming France as the US's strongest ally, lecturing the UK on Europe, “[t]hrowing Churchill out of the Oval Office” and giving the Russian Federation details of strategic arms which the US has foolishly supplied to the UK in the past. The one I like is that the President prefers to quote and American hero (Abraham Lincoln) over some racist British bum (Churchill).
I notice non of you here has had the decency to inform the UK of what's going on so I will. Here it is.
Dear UK,
Its true. The US has been sleeping around - just not with you. What are you going to do about it? Have you considered getting a divorce?
Signed
A Friend
Ha, ha, ha. Still trying to be the model of Hepatia in the Library of the World at Alexandria, eh? Rachel Weis you are not and brainless you are if you think the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you prats) will ever belong to Argentina.
The money is on AR being broken up to individual Provinces before any action against the Falklands has even the slimmest of chances to succeed.
Deluded idiot.
True. But they fail to realise that the permanent members of the security council are the ones who defended the world from the evils of Nazism and from Japanese colonial ambitions, by putting the LIVES of their young men in harms way.
Countries like Argentina don't have the right to be a permanent member of the security council, because they have never done anything for anyone other than themselves. No action, except what will benefit Argentina 100%.
Other countries that should be considered (should the UN ever decide to increase the number of permanent members) could be India, South Africa, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc. In fact, the other countries who also took a stand during WW2, and paid in blood to protect the world.
But Argentina? Never. In fact, no South American country has ever taken a moral stand, and fought for more than just their own interests.
One day, that will no doubt change and South American countries will become more involved in world affairs, to the point where they are willing to put boots on the ground in a foreign country and fight for others. Then they will have earned the right to have a permanent seat at the big boys table.
But it still won't be Argentina. I think it's more likely to be Brazil or Chile.
The thing is to be worth your place on the biggest table in global politics your military capability has to have a decent ability to project power over distance.
Why? Because without that power projection UN resolutions have nothing backing them up.
Once Argentina grows up and has a navy that can leave port without breaking down, then they might be worth a shout. Until then...lol
a paederast reappears
“In fact, no South American country has ever taken a moral stand, and fought for more than just their own interests.”
While the main thrust of you proposition has merit its not entirely correct visa-vi South American countries and WWII. The Brazilian military served along side Allies, with great distinction and bravery in Italy, South Atlantic, and Pacific with all three of her armed forces.
True (but only after being pressured in to it by the US)
Let's give them credit for committing and for the loss of lives. They stood out from the rest of SA that did not engage. And certainly, different from those that aided the Nazi's and profited from the war.
you're a bit cuckoo
“Malvinas will be returned to Argentina within the next 25 years”
As Malvinas is a mythical component of fairy never-never land and does not physically exist, the Argentines can have it at any time, so you don't have to wait 25 years.
The way things are going Argentine won't exist in 25 years, you'll have collapsed into infighting, and each Province declaring independence to hold onto as much of their natural resources as they can, instead of having a bunch of self-serving theiving politicians steal it all.
These Malvinas you keep mentioning, I can't find them on any map. They are obviously a product of a mass hallucination brought about by being constantly lied to about history, the economy, Argentina's actual place in the world, and Argentina's actual influence on the world.
In 100 years time the Falkland Islands will either still be a self-governing British Overseas Territory OR an Independent country in their own right.
Even if they voluntarily decided to become a part of a South American country, it certainly wouldn't be Argentina. My bet is they would choose to become a new Province of Chile or even Uruguay. But who in their right mind would choose to be a part of a corrupt, racist, fascist, psychotic society, that refuses to acknowledge you human rights, and would just steal all of your money off you?
That is how the world truly sees Argentina right now. Maybe one day you'll turn things around, but you have to stop lying to yourselves, start accepting responisbility for your actions, and basically get over yourselves.
I recommend you to search in the news archive from this website, what councellour norma edwards manifested before the u. n., in june 14th 2010, where she complained about the way that the u. n considers this cause, and about the lack of application of self determination for the population from the islands, beside, i recommend you also to search what the president from the decolonization committee said about the right to self determination for this dispute, the date is june 14th or 15th 2012, if you dont agree with his analysis, sorry.
Anyway, beyond the way that the u. n considers this cause, if that institution has never asked the u. k. to return the islands to arg, it's because perhaps in some way, the opinions and the wishes of the islanders must be taken into account in order to find a negotiated solution.
In the same way that i have always criticised the fact that c. f. k's govt. doesen't include the govt. from the islands in the proposal of dialogue that it asks often the u. k., the govt. from the islands has never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main problem.
Many ignorants here parrot that for arg. there is just one outcome, which is the total submition of the sovereignty of the islands to arg., which is absolutly false, however, every time the govt. from the islands expresses that it's not disposed to discuss about the sovereignty, they show that for them there is just one outcome really.
“Many ignorants here parrot that for arg. there is just one outcome, which is the total submition of the sovereignty of the islands to arg., which is absolutly false, however, every time the govt. from the islands expresses that it's not disposed to discuss about the sovereignty, they show that for them there is just one outcome really.”
One outcome, yes - they will not give sovereignty to Argentina. Period.
They may become Independent, though, or stay as a self-governing BOT, or align with a friendly neighbour - that rules out Argentina.
If this jumped up little Hitler is what you have for allies, then that is more evidence the Falklanders have right on their side.
Every country has the right to choose its future including the people of the Falkland Islands.
Don't like an international organization? Then simply, complete your agreements and leave.
Troy, I have always thought that accusing argentina of wanting just one outcome for this dispute, is no more than the tipical hipocresy that many of you often use to criticise our claim. How are many of you going to continue with that stupid argument, if at the same time you recognize that the application of the right to self determination for the population for the islands, is the only one alternative to finish with this conflict, do you realise now how hipocrite many of you are?.
Respecting the words of the president from the decolonization committee, if some of you don't agree with what he sayd, sorry, but it's irrelevant. Screen calls fascist somebody who explained the reasons why that right is not applicable for this cause, however, neather him, nor many others forists criticise the fact that the u. k. doesen't respect the resolutions from the u. n that call both nations to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, arguing that it won't discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, as long as the islanders wish to remain under british govt. only, when actualy that principle was never invoked for this question, this posture shows one more time the usuall hipocresy of many of you.
Accept it or not, the u. k. is not the owner if the international right, the arguments that many of you use to deffend the application of the right to self determination for this conflict, are really pathetic and ignorant. Let me remind you AGAIN that like it or not, although the u. k. decides to resume the negotiations about the sovereignty, if the islanders manifest that they want to remain under british govt., arg. won't be able to force them to accept our sovereignty only, because that's not what the u. n. asks both nations, however it's not imposible to find a solution that satisfies all the parts. Criticising the argentine posture only, shows no more than your usuall hipocresy, and lack of intellectual honesty.
When are you going to grasp that there is no UN resolution mandating dialogue under terms to be set by Argetina? The only dialogue problem is that the Kirchner governments refuse what was accepted by previous governments, and wish to determine unilaterally the agenda, participation, and outcome of the “dialogue”.
Meanwhile the UK has not ruled out dialogue on sovereignity, only dialogue on sovereignity without the consent of the islanders. Which means that there is a clear and obvious path open to Argentina, which Argentina declines to take.
Why do you think that is?
The u. k. has always expressed that it wont discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, as long as the islanders don't manifest that intention.
However, the problem is that the islanders have never been included as a third part of the conflict by the u. n., in fact, if you get into the website of the u. n., you won't find any resolution which says: application of the right to self determination for the people from the malvinas-falkland islands, like there are for others people who live in territories which are considered like non-self governing territories, i recommend you to search in the news archive of this website, what was expressed by the president from the decolonization committee, where he explained the reasons why the right to self determination is not applicable for this cause, the date is june 14th or 15th 2012.
If the islanders parrot that for arg. there is just one outcome, and at the same time they manifest that they are not dipsosed to discuss about the sovereignty, it means that for they there is also just one outcome.
C. f. k. was very clear before the u. n when she said that we are not asking the u. k. to recognize that the islands are argentine, it just asks the u. k. to resume the negotiations, and find a peaceful solution, in fact, in june 14th 2012 she read a secret proposal that was being discussed between both nations in 1974, which reffered to a shared sovereignty, it is a clear messagge that destroys the stupid argument repeated by many of you, and by the islanders, about the soposed only one outcome that arg. would accept.
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