Tuesday, January 22nd 2013 - 19:54 UTC

The Falklands people decision in March should be the final word

One of the leading New Zealand newspapers, The Dominion Post, has addressed the issue of the Falklands, the dispute with Argentina and the coming March referendum in an editorial “Islanders should decide their destiny”, which we kindly reproduce.

Liberation Monument in Stanley which honours those fallen in the recovery of the Falklands 14 June 1982

A ceremonial guard at the Malvinas fallen memorial in downtown Buenos Aires

In March, Falkland Islanders will vote in a referendum asking whether they want to retain their status as an overseas territory of the United Kingdom. It is expected that every single one of them will say yes.

If so, Argentina should respect their wishes. It should be for the Island's 3100 residents to determine their political and sovereign status, no-one else.

The sabre-rattling in recent weeks over the Falklands has stirred memories of the bloody war fought over two months after Argentina invaded and occupied them in April 1982. More than 250 British servicemen, about 650 Argentines and three Islanders died before Britain regained control.

The world has, of course, changed markedly since then. In 1982, Argentina was ruled by a brutal military junta, and the decision to invade the Malvinas, as the Argentines know the islands, was primarily motivated by the desire to distract attention from rampant inflation and economic decline at home.

There is no reason to believe Argentine President Cristina Fernandez is considering anything so drastic. Argentina does not want another war over the Islands any more than Britain.

However, reports last week that Britain is planning a military show of force in the Falklands before the referendum highlight the tension the centuries-long dispute over sovereignty still stirs. There is a risk that any confrontation could quickly escalate.

Britain's main concern is reportedly that Buenos Aires could stage an aggressive stunt, such as sending a small party to plant an Argentine flag on Falklands soil if, as expected, there is a 100 per cent vote to remain an overseas territory of the UK. There are also concerns Argentina's navy could harass the Falklands fishing fleet and disrupt British oil and gas exploration.

Should any of those come to pass, there is a danger of unwanted conflict. It is a time for cool heads to prevail.

Both Argentina and Britain advance strong arguments to support their claims to the Falklands.

Buenos Aires says that Spain won recognition to the Malvinas in 1767 and sovereignty passed to Argentina when it became independent, which occurred before the British settled the Islands. It also insists that Britain's claim to land 14,000 kilometres from London cannot be sustained.

For its part, Britain points to the fact that the first known landing on the uninhabited Falklands was made by a British naval captain in 1690. It also says the Spanish abandoned the islands in 1811, and there were no inhabitants or form of government till the British settlement began 22 years later.

The strongest argument is that the principles of self-determination dictate that those who live on the Islands should decide how they are governed.

The historical complexity of the claims and counter claims and the uncertainty over who would win if the issue ever went to court makes it highly unlikely the Falklands’ dispute will ever be resolved to both sides' satisfaction.

The people best placed to determine the Falklands' destiny are those who have made their homes there. Their decision in March should be the final word.

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1 scarfo (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
The people best placed to determine the Falklands' destiny are those who have made their homes there. Their decision in March should be the final word.

2 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
Of course it should be,- Thanks Kiwi's.
3 MrFlagpole (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
Well done New Zealand.

Ordinarily you would think this was so obvious it didn't need saying, but evidently not.
4 José Malvinero (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
.What poverty of article!. They have no better ally? To see, to see, wikipedia friend ... New Zealand. His anthem: “God Save the Queen” and a distance of 8400km in a straight line to the Malvinas Argentinas. “Go shit”!
5 andy65 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
“The world has, of course, changed markedly since then. In 1982, Argentina was ruled by a brutal military junta”

We could say it still is dressed in tights heels and botox
6 Musky (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
Argentina did not exist in 1767. Spain only discovered the location of the falklands from the french who started a financial venture on the island just months before britain. Spain claimed it using a papal bull that was not recognised by britain only catholic nations. The dispute has not raged for centuries, from 1850-1941 it was off the agenda. Brainwashing has instilled in the current generations.
7 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
@ any Malvinero reading;

'ALL BLACKS' rule - ya prick.
8 Raven (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
Whats the betting the usual suspects on here claim New Zealand is a British colony?

Pirat-Hunter (Evens)F
Gustbury (2/1)
Marcos A (3/1)
Malvinero1 (10/1)
Islas Malv (12/1)
Any of the others (25/1)

Back on topic, it's nice to see New Zealand show support to that enshrined UN mandate of self determination.
9 Steveu (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
@8 well NZ does have a UK appointed Governor General! ;-)

That should add flames to the fire! light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance...
10 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
If there are any government officials here, I would suggest Argentina hold a referendum on membership in the IMF, and maybe the UN.

I wonder if all the nations of the world would respect the decision, when we overwhelmingly vote to get out of these institutions bent on dominating us.

Somehow I doubt it, but it would expose them for the hipocrites they are. The rest of the world denies Argentines self-determination.
11 Raven (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
Damn. It was Jose Malvinero @ #4
He posted just as I was working out the odds. He wont get 25/1 next time! :D
12 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
“Argentina should respect their wishes.” Says whom?

“The strongest argument is that the principles of self-determination dictate that those who live on the Islands should decide how they are governed.”
You`re ingoring such a principle is not applicable for these people.

“Their decision in March should be the final word.”
We´re ok if they stop talking.
13 andy65 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
@José Malvinero, You should look at great democrecys like the GREAT English speaking countrys like Canada, Australia New Zealand then look what you were left with by your bancrupt former masters Spain, it's pure jealousy by you greaseballs because your still living in shit being conned by a dictator SS Hitler Kirchner and her lazy obese thieving son Maximo,you might as well still be ruled by The Junta because very little as changed.
Any day now the one way charter flights will start for trips over The South Atlantic

14 Anglotino (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
@9 Steveu

“NZ does have a UK appointed Governor General!”

The New Zeland Govenor-General is appointed to the Office by the Queen of New Zealand on the advice of the Prime Minister of New Zealand.

He/she serves at the Queen's pleasure and may be dismissed upon advice from the Prime Minister.

New Zealand is a sovereign independent constitutional monarchy with its own Queen. The UK government has nothing to do with this process.
15 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
NZ is a member of the Commonwealth. Several countries that were not colonised by Britain like Rwanda and Mozambique have joined - why? Because Britain fights fascism and terrorism and represents civilization, progress, fair play, decency, tolerance and is against facist bullies like the Latin colonists who now populate Argentina. Give the Mapuche back their land!
16 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
The vritish colony and their father nations can agree all they want but
Islas Malvinas Argentina are not negotiable and need to be decolonised and the illegal aliens deported or documented as they do in U.S, canuda and UK. Bias international laws lead to anarchy as they will all find out. For this reason and to this aim as an Argentine support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina to end the illegal occupation of Silas Malvinas Argentina, I further agree that fakland holding is a vritish corporation that needs to go back home, the theft of Argentina's natural resources must and will come to an end, one way or another we are all ready to pay the price. CFK we love you.
17 andy65 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
@Anglotino I admire your attemps to explain a modern forward functioning democrecy, but why bother with these uneducated Argentines who live under the rule of old Crissy Kirchner,these idiots are still living in the middle ages.
bitter twisted and brainwashed
18 ElaineB (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
@10 I actually agree with your idea of a referendum but your President would never allow it. She is happy to take the money from the IMF (and associated organisations) when she can and only complains when they won't give her money or she has to pay it back. (The UN is optional too).

Just like she used her son's thugs to intimidate Argentines not to use British businesses and then used them herself. Hypocrite indeed.
19 andy65 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter You piece of shit now do noy evade this question.
Argentine decendents migrated to Argentina from Spain as did Falkland Island Decendents from England both have grown into self governing communities why do you see yourself (Argentines)as something different and better???? surely on your thoughts and principles you lot should be pissing of back to Spain and Italy.
20 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
10 Tito The Clown Troll

Why bother with a referendum? Argentina's membership of those respected organisations is only bringing down the tone of the whole neighbourhood. You should just sling your hook and be done with it.

16 Pirat-Hunter

You think an “Argentine support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina” Will solve your problems???

I agree!!! The correct amount of explosives will solve all of your problems.... However a nuclear defence program won't solve Argentina's.. Unless it's aimed directly at KFC house.
21 yankeeboy (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
10. Toby you stupid fool, Argentina can withdraw from any Int'l Org they want there is no requirement to be a member. I hope in a year or so you won't have to complain about the onerous IMF policies any longer.

Just pay whatever you owe to EVERYONE that has one a judgement and current balances with EVERY Int'l bank and org and be on your way. We will wave from the dock and wish you a fond farewell.
22 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
@16 Nuclear defence programme - digging holes to hide in or what? :-) Is Argentina intending to nuke someone, if so with what and who? You couldn't beat the Brits in 1982. You Navy ran, your airforce was destroyed and thousands of your troops surrendered. How will nuclear weapons help?
23 andy65 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the, Thought you were dead you old bird. Can I just say the whole world would be relieved and happy for Argentina to get out of ALL organisations after paying ALL your debts ofcourse,The UN must be sick and tired of your old botox Queen ranting and raving like a sick parrot. Put up your trade barriers and your import taxes and watch Argentina go further down the gutter than it already is

24 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
Hang on New Zealand...just a minute.

Don't forget what “Think” has told us is in the Argentine National Archives...it could be important.

In January 1833, 50 odd members of a United Provinces militia who had been on the islands 10 weeks were removed by the crew of HMS Clio. They had already mutineed, murdered and raped in this 10 week window.

The current Argentine Vice President is calling these people the “indigenous” population of the islands..

Chuckle chuckle
25 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:10 pm Report abuse

Dead? I don't to college in the USA, or walk around the London tube looking “foreign”.

I'm better than ever, Mendoza is better than ever, and I'm here to torture you all throughout 2013.
26 yankeeboy (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
23. Andy good find on the video! Hilarious!

Toby< I am surprised your boyfriend hasn't set you in fire. That seems to be going on at least once week now all over your lovely and peaceful country.
27 ChrisR (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
@25 Nossy the VIII

No, you don't toture us at all, unless you count the side splitting laugh a minute we get at your outlandish posts and juvenile 'thinking'.

The Brits and the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you prats) WILL BE HERE afer your poor, bashed up (by TMBOA) country has sunk out of sight.
28 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:20 pm Report abuse


I don't think so. Popular games have a remarkable history of being right... Roman strategy games in 300AD predicted “post-Rome inferno” in 500 years from their time... other boards games in medieval Europe predicted the relentless wars of the 15th, 16th, and 17th centuries. Board games around 1900 predicted a colossal world war and the loss of “Empire” by the European nations by a revenge of the subjugated natives.
29 andy65 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the 8th, Ahhhhh my apologies not dead you must be one of Fat Boy Maximo's thugs then,hows that racket going are you thieving much money from people and businesses these days???
30 Monty69 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
12 Islas Malvinas

''You`re ingoring such a principle is not applicable for these people.''
Says who? It doesn't become true just because you keep saying it. Britain is the sovereign power and Britain can allow us to determine our own future if it wishes. Failing that we would declare independence and claim the right to self determination under the UN charter.
What you want (domination and subjugation of us by a foreign power, you) doesn't come into it.

Oh and it was the Secretary General of the UN who said our wishes should be respected. Do try to keep up.

25 Nostrolldamus the 8th

Hey Nostril, I'm glad you haven't dropped off the perch. You are the funniest thing on here. Why don't you confound us with some big words to make the day complete.
31 inthegutter (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
So Malvinistas, last try: Should the areas of Patagonia forcibly stripped from the native inhabitants in the latter part of the 19C be returned? How about the land “annexed” from Paraguay during the War of the Triple Alliance?
32 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:29 pm Report abuse

That's what every single solitary Brit in this forum argues and advocates for.

Talk about hipocricy huh?
33 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse

I don't know..had the native Patagonians been there for shorter than 10 weeks? Had they raped and murdered.

If the answer is no then they couldn't have been indigenous according to the Malvinistas!!!!

34 inthegutter (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
I don't argue it at all, and I'm not sure many of the posters actually realistically suggest it... in my opinion irredentism is pointless in virtually every single case except where the current population demands it. The point I'm of course trying to make is that the main argument put forward by Malvinistas (i.e. that the UK stripped Argentina of the Falklands in 1833 and thus should be returned) is incongruous with Argentinas subsequent territorial ambitions in the late 19th Century. Who are the hypocrites eh?
35 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:38 pm Report abuse

Do you not read? Every day the foreigners demand Argentina return all the lands to natives, to Paraguay, to Chile, Martin Garcia Is. to Uruguay, Iguazu falls to Brazil, etc, etc, etc...

Of course they demand nothing of the sort from the North Americans, Australians, or New Zealanders.

We Argentines don't point this out anymore because it is a pleonasm to speak of British or Anglo-saxon hypocricy.
36 HansNiesund (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:48 pm Report abuse

You haven't quite got the hang of Malvinita logic yet. It's not actually all that hard (I mean it couldn't be, could it?), you just need to abandon any notion of consistency, relevance, or evidence-based belief. Fortunately, the Troll is back to give us another master class.
37 inthegutter (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
Of course the occasional poster on here would say that, the difference is it's your government which demands the Falklands ont he basis of the same argument which should see it return the aforementioned territory. The British Government has never made any such demand on Argentina. It's your government which are the hypocrites in this case.
38 Orbit (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
Pirat-Hunter ... its good to have ambition but you have to learn to walk before you run. Can I suggest you start with working out how to switch on the lights at a football stadium, or keeping a boat water-tight before you engage in a cavalier attempt at building a nuclear defence programme ?

By the way, I've been scanning the comments pages on your online media, and its not surprising at all to see a lot of people saying things like “Enough with these Islands, what about x,y,z that are real problems”. There's a few odd - easily spotted - aggressive ranting Campora folks every so often, but it looks like you are losing control of cyberspace...

Which I suppose is worrying because the last resort of the ignorant is violence, and there's a lot of ignorance supporting CFK.
39 Gordo1 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
@35 Nostrolidamus

The so called “hypocricy” is only a reaction to the boring demands and accusations of Argentina. Once Argentina stops the “whinging” we will be quiet.
40 Raven (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:08 pm Report abuse

and it is strange that rhetoric from Argentina about colonies in South America NEVER EVER mentions French Guiana. ;)
41 andy65 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the 8th,I have come to the conclusion just like your lover the botox queen Crissy Kirchner you might be a little kinky. It seems you like to come to this forum talk bollocks then get the biggest tongue lashing ever for doing so,do you get of on it or something????
42 José Malvinero (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
Which is the only American country who supports England in the Malvinas Argentinas question: Canada. What is the second (or first) Canadian anthem: God save the queen. “Andá a cagar”!
43 GFace (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
@42, Ambiguous US policy on the FI does not correlate with American opinion. In 82, mainstream american sympathies, were with the victims of your country's fascist Junta and was satisfied with your defeat and liberation of the islanders from your Dirty War. In 2013 when presented with the Islanders vote, State will still hem and haw as they've done for years but once again, you will be seen as illegitimate thugs by Americans, wanting what can never be claimed as yours again -- you sealed that fate in 82.
44 andy65 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
@José Malvinero How many times have you been shown that most South American countrys just give Argentina and The Botox Queen what we call LIP SERVICE
They tell her what she wants to hear,thats why ships still dock at other South American countrys thats why Lan Chile still fly to The Falkland Islands it's lip service you fool.
45 Conorworld (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
The right to self determination is enshrined in the UN charter, the charter that binds the supranational entity that the Argentine government has been heckling to on the issue of the islands. The right to self-determination over rides any resolutions by the UN and Argentina's argument. I bet if the islanders wanted to join Argentina, Argentina would be vouching for self-determination but they're not.

Sorry Argentina but the islanders have the right to decide their own government. Simple, end of
46 AzaUK (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
from one island nation to another
47 Britworker (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 12:27 am Report abuse
Its interesting that, whenever, Kirchner manipulates foreign heads of states words to favour Argentinas bogus claim on the Falklands, it makes front page news in the Argentine press. A sovereign democracy such as New Zealand supporting the Falkland Islanders right to determine their own future, is kept out of their press.
The Ostrich mentality is rife in Argentina
48 Monty69 (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 12:57 am Report abuse
35 Nostrolldamus the 8th

You might use big words, but you're actually a bit thick, aren't you.

When people suggest that Argentina might like to give various chunks of its territory back to their original inhabitants, it's not because they actually think you should do it. It's a means of pointing out the idiocy of Argentina's claim to the Falklands.
They don't do the same to New Zealand, the USA etc because they aren't the ones trying to take someone's country on the grounds of being 'the original inhabitants'.
49 Vestige (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 02:10 am Report abuse
I think most of the world could tell you well in advance what the likely opinion on the falklands issue would be from a newspaper called........ “The Dominion Post”. lolol
next up - commies, good or bad? lets ask 'Texas nascar weekly'.
50 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:13 am Report abuse
We all know what Argentina’s idea of negotiation over the Falkland Islands is. That is, that they should be returned. I may be missing something here but that is not really negotiation is it?

Call me old fashioned but I thought the idea of “negotiations” was that both parties come to the table with a list of what they would like, they talk and they go away with some of the things that they wanted, and everyone is happy.

Someone should have told KFC / TMBOA / Ol’Turkey Neck / The Harpy that this is what it’s all about. There can be no negotiations while the Argentineans remain so inflexible.
51 Gordo1 (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:38 am Report abuse
@42 Jose Malvinero

I think you will find that there are countries such as The Bahamas, Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica which support the Falkland cause.
52 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 08:16 am Report abuse

“@Nostrolldamus the 8th,I have come to the conclusion just like your lover the botox queen Crissy Kirchner you might be a little kinky. It seems you like to come to this forum talk bollocks then get the biggest tongue lashing ever for doing so,do you get of on it or something????”

He'll take the attention any way he can get it - but it needs to be continuous :-)
53 Pirate Love (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 08:21 am Report abuse
“SELF-DETERMINATION”....WILL be the final word....

Argentina welcome to the 21st century... :) see you on the beach!
54 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 09:48 am Report abuse
'Falklands warship sinks in Argentina - The Holy Trinity, a warship used to land the first Argentine forces in the Falklands War with Britain in 1982, has sunk, the navy said. Arturo Puricelli, the defence minister, said the loss of the Holy Trinity was due to “negligence in the best-case scenario, or an attack” aimed at making the government look bad. He did not go into detail...'

‘France should back Britain in event of Falklands fight’
55 LEPRecon (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 10:00 am Report abuse
@54 - Steve

So Mr Arturo “we want you to remove your military so we can invade the Falklands and oppress the people there” Puricelli is trying to cover up the neglect of his government, and previous governments, regarding the maintenance of their Navy by insinuating that it was sabotage.

I wonder how long it will be before they are accusing British Special Forces of 'attacking' them.

My God, they really are getting desperate now, aren't they?

They starve their military of funds (whilst stuffing their own off-shore bank accounts), and when it all goes tits up, they try and blame someone else!

They should be thankful that this vessel sank whilst in dock, and not while sailing around the Atlantic, otherwise they may have lost the crew, or have had the embarrassment of being rescued by the RN.

However, sooner or later the Argentine government will fall. The world will support the self-determination of the Falkland Islanders (with the exception of the usual suspects).

The rest of South America will see the benefit of trading and building good relationships with the Falkland Islands. Argentina will remain mired in the 19th century, unable to move forwards due to their backwards thinking.

But CFK and co have done a good job, which they must be thanked for. They have placed the Falklands in the international spotlight, giving them good publicity. Countries are now looking at the Falklands, and looking into its history, as to which they can see that the Argentine claim is bogus.

Added to this, is the fact that the Argentine public are gettting fed up about CFKs constant harping on about this non-issue, whilst ignoring very pressing problems in Argentina.

Soon they will be so sick of hearing about the Falklands that they will just switch off to the issue.
56 Martin Woodhead (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 10:42 am Report abuse
You want the falklands come and take them!

Oh wait your bankrupt and even if you weren't your cowards and imbeciles. The only people you have defeated in the last 150 years are the unarmed and the grossly outnumbered .
You proved time and time again Argentina is a joke of a country.
Your highly trained un peacekeepers in cyprus do the same job TA part timers do.
57 Steveu (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 11:41 am Report abuse
@14 Anglotino You are correct - my mistake

I was just trying to feed the trolls for some sport!
58 Shed-time (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 11:48 am Report abuse
First time the Argentines tried to take the islands: Outcome = Loss
Second time the Argentines tried to take the islands: Outcome = Loss
(present day)
Third time the Argentines try to take the islands: Outcome = Loss
Fourth time the Aregntines try to take the islands: Outcome = Loss

Einstein defined an imbecile as someone who tries the same thing over and over, whilst expecting a different outcome. They're basically a nation of imbeciles.
59 reality check (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
No one should mess with the Kiwis.
Awesome respect for a fallen comrade.
60 Gustbury (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
Really makes me very very happy that Islanders want to be British,just we want the land!!
61 Steveu (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 01:40 pm Report abuse
@60 Gustbury

Seriously, if that's the case why doesn't your country simply just take its case to the ICJ?

The UN constitutionally cannot rule on a sovereignty dispute that dates back to pre-1945
62 LEPRecon (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
@60 - Gustbury

As Steveu has said, if you have a case take it to the ICJ.

Of course you haven't got a case, the land has never been and never will be Argentinian.

You see, you Argentines have no understanding of how the world works. You think that if you demand things, lie and stamp your feet you can get whatever you want. Well that only works if you're 5 years old.

If Argentina was truly interested in the Falklands, you would've spent the last 30 years building up trust and friendship with the people of the Falklands.

But you haven't. The Falkland Islands community predates the existence of Argentina, and that is why you won't take this alleged sovereignty case to the ICJ. You know that they would laugh you out of the courtroom.

The referendum in March will show the world the self-determination of the Falkland Islanders to live their own lives, in their own community, using their own laws and government.

Argentina will continue to cry and beg and otherwise humilate yourselves on the international stage, but it will be to no avail. Your attempts to acquire this land that has never belonged to you have failed. Your illegitamte sovereignty claim is as extinct as the Dodo.

Try sorting out the corruption in your government, police etc... Try respecting the native Amerindians, who are still being murdered by the descendents of the colonists who stole their land.

Try to restore Argentina's reputation on the international stage, and becoming a grown up country, and then you'll realise just how lame your claims to the Falklands are.
63 andy65 (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
@Gustbury The thing that pisses you of is that no one in the right mind even The Chileans who live on The Islands who speak your language want anything to do with you,they know what nasty bastards you Argentines are.

64 inthegutter (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:06 pm Report abuse
Hey Gustbury, You say you want “the land” but give no reason why you deserve it. Even if the Falklands had been taken from Argentina 1833 (which many of us know not to be the case) why should you get the Falklands when you're unlikely to land acquired due to Argentina's annexation of Patagonia from the original inhabitants or the land stripped from Paraguay during the War of the Triple Alliance?
65 Conqueror (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
@4 Aaah, shame. Didn't it say what you wanted? “The whole world support Argentina's claim!” Apparently not. Nor does Canada. Nor does the United States. And for all CFK and Tinpotman's charging around the world, how many other “real”, i.e. not in latin america, countries are bothered. “CFK thanks Indonesia for its support.” Yeah? When?
@10 Of course we'd respect your decision. In fact, don't bother with the referendum. Just go! If you hang on a while, I'll give you a whole list of institutions you should leave!
@12 Stop talking. Your opinion is irrelevant. As are you!
@16 The price is YOUR life. YOU, personally. Ready?
@25 You don't (spikka da) language either.
@28 I've got “Risk”! I've blown latinamerica off the planet several times. Wait for it!
@32 Don't know. Is your hipocricy at the top of your legocricy?
@35 And do you pay any attention?
@42 There is no “Malvinas Argentinas question”. “Malvinas Argentinas” is parked between “Neverland” and “Oz”. Only Tinkerbell (recently using the alias, CFK, goes there.) Or does she? Oh, I get it. She pops in on her way to the Land of Nod!
@50 I think you're partly right and partly wrong. Here's your sentence “There can be no negotiations while the Argentineans remain so inflexible.” The first five words were fine. The remaining six are a non-starter. Although, if you'll excuse the very poor grammar “There can be no negotiations while the Argentineans” is a possibility. If you take my meaning.
@60 Well you can't have it because the Islanders wouldn't have anything to live on! There, you see, that's “negotiation”. You said what you wanted and we told you why you can't have it. Now, what's next? Invasion, occupation, war? Fine. Would you like to start or should we? You send your “navy” to sea and we'll see you and raise you 20 ICBMs.
66 XAVIERV (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
England, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, India, Canada. They can say what they want, what value is your opinion for us? No value! It's like adding 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0! All that matters is our opinion and it will be forever .. If you do not want any vessel navigating our waters to the islands of our business. The day after the referendum run out of flight to the mainland! And the families of the fallen and cried enough not have to return to the islands to do.
67 Idlehands (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
65 Conqueror

Unless you quote the name as well as the post number I doubt there's anyone that could be bothered to go up and down the thread trying to work out if you're addressing them or not.
68 LEPRecon (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
@66 - Xavierv

No one cares what Argentina thinks or does. No one cares what your opinion is. Your country is going down the toilet fast. Your government is doing bugger all about it, and is indeed speeding up the inevitable collapse by stealing all of your money. Tell me, Xavierv, how are you doing living on $7 a day? Or do you get free food from La Campora?

Argentina cannot police or dictate who comes and goes in international waters, that would be against your beloved Law of the Sea, and they certainly have no say over the Falkland Islands and their territorial waters.

Once the international community sees the Falklanders showing their determination to live their lives on their land the way that they want to (self-determination to you), they will support them because they will have reached one of the outcomes the UN wanted all along. Self-determination. Argentina's opinion is as worthless as your Peso's.

The Falkland Islands will be removed from the decolonization list and that will be an end to it (or to the C24 if they go against the UN mandate), and Argentina can continue to cry and pretend to be the victim, while the rest of the world yawns and moves on.

Argentina has nothing. No valid claim. No valid argument. If you did you would've taken this to the ICJ.

Argentina's colonial amitions are over before you really had the chance to start them. But never mind, you still have some native Amerindians that you haven't murdered yet.
69 XAVIERV (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
@ 68
Estimated LEPRecon
I am critical of the government and never have given my vote. And when I say I live with $ 7 a day is absolutely certain that's true. We are a poor third world country! We live in barbarism and backwardness. But you are a refined and cultured. What are you doing here? In the midst of a country as early as mine? This is not your place, your place is in the north where people like you live! You can not come to a poor neighborhood and pretend that your neighbors are your manners uneducated. I propose to return to your neighborhood rich, is a collection and we will pay you a beautiful mansion in a suburb of London, there can relate with people in your class and not with people like me mob.
70 Shed-time (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
@69 So what you're basically saying is that you demand the islands and you want to ethnically cleanse the islands of anyone who is on it, regardless of the historical reasoning that these people are in fact related to the people who were there in 1833 (that weren't ejected as argentine revisionist history suggests).

So if these people are descendants of the people who were there in 1833 and YOU STILL want them ethnically cleansed, why do you always use them as justification for taking the islands? Why don't you as a country just come out at the UN and say that you want to ethnically cleanse the islands?

It's quite simple.
71 GFace (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
@70, you know, Shed, if Gust and his countrymen/women won't say it, I'm sure the UK will in March :-)
72 Musky (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
Wish I lived in a mansion but above all I'm glad to live in a fantastic country that above all else values freedom, democracy and the law and I'm sure plenty of your countrymen have that same set of virtues, it is just a pity that you place YOUR opinion above law, above the UN charter and above historical fact. British posters have the law on their side, the UN charter on their side, historical fact (incontrovertible evidence) on their side. But I guess you still have your mantra 'Malvinas is Argentine' .. so Xavierv, the mindwashers have worked on you. Oh well, another lost soul.
73 inthegutter (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
36 HansNiesund - I just like exposing their ignorance and hypocrisy!
74 jij (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
same to you!
No ones cares what the bloody rubbish english people said in mercopress!...uuuujajaja!
75 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
74 jij

Oh....quick.........look everyone.......Suzie's back.............
76 Pesky Army (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
Irrelevant story. Argentines are the only ones entitled to decide the future of those miserable rocks as it's a geographical part of their nation.
P.S. If there is any argie out there, just watch out with this brits, they are using this whole thing to divert media attention from their own domestic problems. Just stay away from BBC, I hear it's packed with molesters and pedophiles.
77 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
'Argentina sovereignty in Antarctica'

'in the House of Commons Legislators revive British in the Falklands conflict scenarios'

'Falklands: British lawmakers talk of another war'

'Puricelli on wreck: “When I tell the president is going to drop their heads in shame”'
78 cornishair (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
77 steve- That first news story was pretty funny, the Pope give the Spanish the Antarctic, so there for it now belongs to Argentina? talk about retard. Not that anyone should be coloniazing the big white, but i'm glad we claimed it first :)
79 jij (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
@ 75
are you trying to say SussieUS?
80 briton (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
The biggest thing to get right up there nose,
is the fact,
that their is nothing , but nothing,
they can do about it , lol.
81 inthegutter (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
So Pesky Army why are they part of Argentina?
82 SirianJedi (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
Argentine Dictators always play the 'Malvinas Card, when they have run out of credibility and have fucked their country's economy! General Cristina and her thuggish son couldn't run a Chook Raffle!
83 jtj (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
keep the islands in british assholes! Now you know!
84 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
I found this quite interesting...

'Symbol of Argentina's Decaying Navy Sinks in Port
~ Meanwhile, Argentina's 3,100-mile (4,989-kilometer) coastline is being protected by a fleet that has been reduced to three destroyers, two other warships, several patrol boats, two scientific vessels, an icebreaker and the Libertad, the tall ship used to train cadets that was detained for months in Africa last year as collateral for unpaid debts.
Congressman Julio Martinez said Wednesday that of a total of 70 navy ships, only 16 are in sailing condition, and even then only barely. He said increases in defense spending have gone to salaries, leaving little or nothing for maintenance or investment in hardware.
“It's hugely hypocritical to talk of sabotage when for 10 years the ship has been abandoned,” Martinez told Argentina's Todo Noticias channel.
The Trinidad was mothballed only a few years after leading the ultimately unsuccessful occupation of the Falklands, which Argentines claim as the Islas Malvinas. Martinez said he, like most Argentines, has no desire to wage another war, “but if the country lacks defenses, and the British know that, they won't ever negotiate a peaceful resolution.”

85 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
@84 Steve33

“Martinez said he, like most Argentines, has no desire to wage another war, “but if the country lacks defenses, and the British know that, they won't ever negotiate a peaceful resolution.””

We are at peace, now, with no plans otherwise.
What is the problem?

WHO would break that peace ?
Not the Falklanders.
86 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
'Alicia Castro organized a wine tasting in the British Parliament'

'Two MPs and ask for help to France for a possible war in the Falklands'

'The Eurolat recognized the sovereignty of Argentina over the Falklands'

'The comfortable theory of “sabotage”'
87 reality check (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
WTF is Eurolat, and who gives a shit anyway. LMFAO.
88 Britworker (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
Are you sure that she wasn't asked to 'serve the wine' at the British parliament, she is a flight monkey isn't she?
89 reality check (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
Looked it up. Suprise, suprise, the LATIN AMERICAN COMPONENT REAFFIRMED:
The sixth edition of EuroLat, which hosted the meeting of the Latin American component, which was passed unanimously a resolution reaffirming the sovereignty of the islands Argentina.
90 yankeeboy (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
I am surprised the UK/Commonwealth has not boycotted Rg products yet.
91 Shed-time (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 11:06 pm Report abuse
@90 I am surprised the USA presidential administration hasn't referred to them as 'Las Malvinas' and then sold the islanders to the wolves in exchange for permits to sell a few more iPhones yet.

Oh well.

'One can always trust Canada to do the right thing', Geoff (2004)
92 big man (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 01:51 am Report abuse
@90 Conor Luden-Brown
the UK can do anything including stop diplomatic relations with my country Argentina...what the UK is waiting for?
93 yankeeboy (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 02:34 am Report abuse
91. Didn't Obama call them the Maldives? He is a boob but if push comes to shove The USA would never abandon the UK. The people of the USA know how important our relationship is with our Mother country and even a blowhard idiot Prez couldn't get in the way of that for very long.
94 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 05:11 am Report abuse
93 yankeeboy
Fred what happen with Obama will serve only one term?
Wrong again baldy.

“Barack Obama’s top ten insults against Britain – 2012 edition”

95 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 05:15 am Report abuse

You buzz-killing racist, you're back!!

Where have you been hiding since your last thorough drubbing???

96 reality check (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 10:13 am Report abuse
That's an easy answer. The UK!
97 GFace (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
@93, true 'dat. Obama & HClinton tow the same line State has always held. BUT! In 82, what mainstream opinion there was on the FI conflict was a gut reaction against the Junta. Once the conflict was over, what interest in the FI waned and as such, we were not exposed through the mainstream media about the illegal ~unmarked~ inhumane warzone detention of civilians in Goose Green, the illegal ~remote~ detention camp at Fox Bay, the holding guns to children's heads, unrecorded land mines and the final straw the preparation to use Stanley residents as human shields by middle NCOs. But mark you, had we been made aware at the end of the conflict, any attempted neutrality, even in the blur of the cold war, would have been blown away by just moral outrage of the continued unrepentant nostalgia of the Malvanistas for which all of the aforementioned war crimes are just dandy.
98 Hepatia (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/01/22/the-falklands-people-decision-in-march-should-be-the-final-word#comment208669: What a classic! If you want a side splitting laugh read the blog. It is written by some guy called Nile Gardiner. Nile seems to believe the relationship between the US and the UK, which he calls a “Special Relationship” (SR), is of the nature of a marriage. He lists 10 transgressions against the SR made by the US. Its all jilted lover stuff. Number 1 is the attitude of the US towards the UK occupation of Las Malvinas.

What are the problems? The US has called on the UK to negotiate over the sovereignty of the islands with Argentina - a long standing US position - thereby “undercutting” the UK's unreasonable and war like stance. Additionally the US has given the islands their correct name - a name used all over the world other than, possibly, in the UK.

Other transgression include naming France as the US's strongest ally, lecturing the UK on Europe, “[t]hrowing Churchill out of the Oval Office” and giving the Russian Federation details of strategic arms which the US has foolishly supplied to the UK in the past. The one I like is that the President prefers to quote and American hero (Abraham Lincoln) over some racist British bum (Churchill).

I notice non of you here has had the decency to inform the UK of what's going on so I will. Here it is.

Dear UK,

Its true. The US has been sleeping around - just not with you. What are you going to do about it? Have you considered getting a divorce?


A Friend
99 inthegutter (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
98 ah... Hepatia, tell me, the land Argentina stole from the Amerindians and Paraguay, should it be given back?
100 Hepatia (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/01/22/the-falklands-people-decision-in-march-should-be-the-final-word#comment209043: Irrespective to the answer to your question Las Malvinas will be returned to Argentina within the next 25 years.
101 ChrisR (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
100 Hepatia

Ha, ha, ha. Still trying to be the model of Hepatia in the Library of the World at Alexandria, eh? Rachel Weis you are not and brainless you are if you think the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you prats) will ever belong to Argentina.

The money is on AR being broken up to individual Provinces before any action against the Falklands has even the slimmest of chances to succeed.

Deluded idiot.
102 inthegutter (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 09:52 am Report abuse
#100 It's that kind of crap answer I've come to expect from you Malvinaistas. How is this “transfer” going to happen. It would be suicide for any British government to even negotiate. We'd veto any UN action (not that the Security council would ever dare). And Argentina's military is pitiful to say the least. So tell me, how?
103 reality check (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 11:07 am Report abuse
That's why they are mumping their gums about changing the make up of the Security Council.
104 LEPRecon (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 11:54 am Report abuse
@103 - RC

True. But they fail to realise that the permanent members of the security council are the ones who defended the world from the evils of Nazism and from Japanese colonial ambitions, by putting the LIVES of their young men in harms way.

Countries like Argentina don't have the right to be a permanent member of the security council, because they have never done anything for anyone other than themselves. No action, except what will benefit Argentina 100%.

Other countries that should be considered (should the UN ever decide to increase the number of permanent members) could be India, South Africa, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc. In fact, the other countries who also took a stand during WW2, and paid in blood to protect the world.

But Argentina? Never. In fact, no South American country has ever taken a moral stand, and fought for more than just their own interests.

One day, that will no doubt change and South American countries will become more involved in world affairs, to the point where they are willing to put boots on the ground in a foreign country and fight for others. Then they will have earned the right to have a permanent seat at the big boys table.

But it still won't be Argentina. I think it's more likely to be Brazil or Chile.
105 Conqueror (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
@98, 100 Hepatitis. You are hilariously stupid. You might want to notice a certain disparity between Obama's gaffes and the actions of the United States. For instance, can you list all the countries for which the US supplies and services submarine-launched nuclear ballistic missiles? Can you list the countries that have the most technical input into the most advanced US combat aircraft? How about the countries that provide the greatest input to the US defence industry? Which countries have the greatest access to US intelligence and military secrets? Here's a thought. When the US trots off on its military adventures, who does it like to have with it? Is it argieland? And as for the Falkland Islands? Let me give you some “future history”. In 25 years time, CFK will be dead and long buried. With or without gas or oil, the Falkland Islands will have an economy probably twice what it currently has. If there is adequate gas and oil to make a major difference, you may be able to see the tops of Falklands skyscrapers when standing on a beach of what used to be argieland. Ex-argies will look back on the CFK era and mark it as the beginning of the break-up of the argie state. The Falkland Islands will be where ex-argies go to obtain work cleaning sewers, sweeping streets and similar low value occupations. They will gape at modern wonders. Constantly-available hot and cold running fresh water, heating constantly on, free energy, climate-controlled streets, individual powered transport, huge silver birds in the sky, part of one of the many Royal Navy fleets anchored off-shore. Oh, yes, and they will still be called the Falkland Islands. Ex-argies will not look forward to returning to their own “countries”. The constant labour to survive, the lack of energy, the “transport” supplied by harnessing 10 or 20 people to a cart, the “shame” of being subservient to the amerindians, the daily public whippings of “whiteys”. Enjoy!
106 malicious bloke (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
@104, india and germany and *maybe* brazil would be at the head of the queue if the security council expanded the number of permanent seats.

The thing is to be worth your place on the biggest table in global politics your military capability has to have a decent ability to project power over distance.

Why? Because without that power projection UN resolutions have nothing backing them up.

Once Argentina grows up and has a navy that can leave port without breaking down, then they might be worth a shout. Until then...lol
107 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 06:30 pm Report abuse

a paederast reappears
108 Terence Hill (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
104 LEPRecon

“In fact, no South American country has ever taken a moral stand, and fought for more than just their own interests.”

While the main thrust of you proposition has merit its not entirely correct visa-vi South American countries and WWII. The Brazilian military served along side Allies, with great distinction and bravery in Italy, South Atlantic, and Pacific with all three of her armed forces.
109 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
True (but only after being pressured in to it by the US)
110 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 09:28 pm Report abuse

Let's give them credit for committing and for the loss of lives. They stood out from the rest of SA that did not engage. And certainly, different from those that aided the Nazi's and profited from the war.
111 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 03:14 am Report abuse
A nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina can put an end to the illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina. The UN hands are tide unless there is some form of security threat like a nuclear arm race. I think people here would benefit from politics 101.
112 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 07:18 am Report abuse

you're a bit cuckoo
113 Pete Bog (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 10:46 am Report abuse
“Malvinas will be returned to Argentina within the next 25 years”

As Malvinas is a mythical component of fairy never-never land and does not physically exist, the Argentines can have it at any time, so you don't have to wait 25 years.
114 LEPRecon (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 11:51 am Report abuse
@100 Hepatia

The way things are going Argentine won't exist in 25 years, you'll have collapsed into infighting, and each Province declaring independence to hold onto as much of their natural resources as they can, instead of having a bunch of self-serving theiving politicians steal it all.

These Malvinas you keep mentioning, I can't find them on any map. They are obviously a product of a mass hallucination brought about by being constantly lied to about history, the economy, Argentina's actual place in the world, and Argentina's actual influence on the world.

In 100 years time the Falkland Islands will either still be a self-governing British Overseas Territory OR an Independent country in their own right.

Even if they voluntarily decided to become a part of a South American country, it certainly wouldn't be Argentina. My bet is they would choose to become a new Province of Chile or even Uruguay. But who in their right mind would choose to be a part of a corrupt, racist, fascist, psychotic society, that refuses to acknowledge you human rights, and would just steal all of your money off you?

That is how the world truly sees Argentina right now. Maybe one day you'll turn things around, but you have to stop lying to yourselves, start accepting responisbility for your actions, and basically get over yourselves.
115 axel arg (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
In the same way that mercopress kindly reproduced the dominion post's editotial, i'm going to kindly remind you that self determination was never invoked by the u. n. for the population from the islands, as it did for others colonial situations, beside, that institution has always considered this cause like a special colonial case, and never included the govt. from the islands as a third part of the conflict, in fact, all the resolutions just call arg. and the u. k., not the govt. from the islands, to find a negotiated solution.
I recommend you to search in the news archive from this website, what councellour norma edwards manifested before the u. n., in june 14th 2010, where she complained about the way that the u. n considers this cause, and about the lack of application of self determination for the population from the islands, beside, i recommend you also to search what the president from the decolonization committee said about the right to self determination for this dispute, the date is june 14th or 15th 2012, if you dont agree with his analysis, sorry.
Anyway, beyond the way that the u. n considers this cause, if that institution has never asked the u. k. to return the islands to arg, it's because perhaps in some way, the opinions and the wishes of the islanders must be taken into account in order to find a negotiated solution.
In the same way that i have always criticised the fact that c. f. k's govt. doesen't include the govt. from the islands in the proposal of dialogue that it asks often the u. k., the govt. from the islands has never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main problem.
Many ignorants here parrot that for arg. there is just one outcome, which is the total submition of the sovereignty of the islands to arg., which is absolutly false, however, every time the govt. from the islands expresses that it's not disposed to discuss about the sovereignty, they show that for them there is just one outcome really.
116 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
@115 Axel

“Many ignorants here parrot that for arg. there is just one outcome, which is the total submition of the sovereignty of the islands to arg., which is absolutly false, however, every time the govt. from the islands expresses that it's not disposed to discuss about the sovereignty, they show that for them there is just one outcome really.”

One outcome, yes - they will not give sovereignty to Argentina. Period.

They may become Independent, though, or stay as a self-governing BOT, or align with a friendly neighbour - that rules out Argentina.
117 screenname (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
@115 axel arg: I saw what Diego Morejon-Pazmiño had to say about the right to self determination for Falkland Islanders, and if you think his little fascist rant is an analysis then your opinion on any subject is not worth the time it takes to read it.

If this jumped up little Hitler is what you have for allies, then that is more evidence the Falklanders have right on their side.
118 Xect (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
I agree with Nosy, if Argentina wants out of the IMF/UN and any other groups then it should leave once its debts have been paid. There's little point Argentina staying since its abused its position and is now going to be punished.

Every country has the right to choose its future including the people of the Falkland Islands.

Don't like an international organization? Then simply, complete your agreements and leave.
119 axel arg (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
Troy, I have always thought that accusing argentina of wanting just one outcome for this dispute, is no more than the tipical hipocresy that many of you often use to criticise our claim. How are many of you going to continue with that stupid argument, if at the same time you recognize that the application of the right to self determination for the population for the islands, is the only one alternative to finish with this conflict, do you realise now how hipocrite many of you are?.
Respecting the words of the president from the decolonization committee, if some of you don't agree with what he sayd, sorry, but it's irrelevant. Screen calls fascist somebody who explained the reasons why that right is not applicable for this cause, however, neather him, nor many others forists criticise the fact that the u. k. doesen't respect the resolutions from the u. n that call both nations to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, arguing that it won't discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, as long as the islanders wish to remain under british govt. only, when actualy that principle was never invoked for this question, this posture shows one more time the usuall hipocresy of many of you.
Accept it or not, the u. k. is not the owner if the international right, the arguments that many of you use to deffend the application of the right to self determination for this conflict, are really pathetic and ignorant. Let me remind you AGAIN that like it or not, although the u. k. decides to resume the negotiations about the sovereignty, if the islanders manifest that they want to remain under british govt., arg. won't be able to force them to accept our sovereignty only, because that's not what the u. n. asks both nations, however it's not imposible to find a solution that satisfies all the parts. Criticising the argentine posture only, shows no more than your usuall hipocresy, and lack of intellectual honesty.
120 HansNiesund (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
When are you going to grasp that there is no UN resolution mandating dialogue under terms to be set by Argetina? The only dialogue problem is that the Kirchner governments refuse what was accepted by previous governments, and wish to determine unilaterally the agenda, participation, and outcome of the “dialogue”.

Meanwhile the UK has not ruled out dialogue on sovereignity, only dialogue on sovereignity without the consent of the islanders. Which means that there is a clear and obvious path open to Argentina, which Argentina declines to take.

Why do you think that is?
121 axel arg (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
The u. k. has always expressed that it wont discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, as long as the islanders don't manifest that intention.
However, the problem is that the islanders have never been included as a third part of the conflict by the u. n., in fact, if you get into the website of the u. n., you won't find any resolution which says: application of the right to self determination for the people from the malvinas-falkland islands, like there are for others people who live in territories which are considered like non-self governing territories, i recommend you to search in the news archive of this website, what was expressed by the president from the decolonization committee, where he explained the reasons why the right to self determination is not applicable for this cause, the date is june 14th or 15th 2012.
If the islanders parrot that for arg. there is just one outcome, and at the same time they manifest that they are not dipsosed to discuss about the sovereignty, it means that for they there is also just one outcome.
C. f. k. was very clear before the u. n when she said that we are not asking the u. k. to recognize that the islands are argentine, it just asks the u. k. to resume the negotiations, and find a peaceful solution, in fact, in june 14th 2012 she read a secret proposal that was being discussed between both nations in 1974, which reffered to a shared sovereignty, it is a clear messagge that destroys the stupid argument repeated by many of you, and by the islanders, about the soposed only one outcome that arg. would accept.

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