Sunday, January 27th 2013 - 02:03 UTC

With Argentine navy’ honour lying on her side, Minister Puricelli could be next official removed

The Argentine government has removed two top naval officers from their duties following the sinking, this week at her moorings pier-side of the destroyer “Santisima Trinidad” once the flagship of the service and which was actively involved in the invasion of the Falklands in 1982.

ARA Santisima Trinidad on her side next to the pier in Puerto Belgrano

Puricelli apparently a good lawyer has not had a successful performance at Defence

Defence minister Arturo Puricelli ordered the head of the Navy “the immediate removal from their posts” of the officers in charge of Maintenance and Arsenal, Alberto Garcia Grigioni and the head of the Decommissioning Group Marino Veccia.

However the incident could be the last straw of a very poor ministerial performance for Puricelli and his exit in a near future.

Puricelli in early statements last week did not discard that the destroyer which has been out of service since 2004 and now lying on her side at the Puerto Belgrano naval base could have been the target of a terrorist plot.

In the letter addressed to the navy’s command removing the officers, Puricelli said the sanctions had been taken “to favour the course of the investigation and ensure the transparency and objectivity of the procedure”.

Following the incident Puricelli who said he felt ashamed of what had happened with the vessel sunken at her moorings pier-side, and even more when having to explain what happened to the president, demanded from the Navy brass to determine the circumstances which led to the incident adding he had great doubts about the whole issue because the destroyer is not that old since it was commissioned in the seventies.

The 4.100 tons Santisima Trinidad, 124 metres long, 14.6ms beam and 5.2ms draught was equipped with sea-air missiles and was considered the flagship of the Argentine navy when the invasion of the Falklands in 1982 that led to the 74-day South Atlantic conflict.

Amphibious commandos and tactical divers were landed by the “Santisima Trinidad” on April first in the Falklands in anticipation of the main invasion that followed on April 2.
The British designed destroyer built in Argentina in the seventies is similar to the Type 42 destroyers “Sheffield” and “Coventry” which were sunk by the Argentines during the conflict.

The wireless message asking the surrender of the Falklands Governor Sir Rex Hunt and the Marines detachment was also radioed from the destroyer.
However despite the investigation, the removal of top naval officers, Minister Puricelli’s job could also be on the line given the string of errors and his complete lack of knowledge regarding armed forces terminology after two years in the ministry and before that as head of Military Industries.

On taking office he named a petty officer head of media and public relations which caused inconveniences with military protocol.

Last October in the midst of the ARA Libertad conflict with Ghana, Puricelli admitted his responsibility.

“The ministry of Defense planned the trip on suggestion from the Navy with a call in Ghana as a political approach to Africa” Puricelli told crew members who were flown out of Ghana while the vessel remained impounded.

As a consequence of the public commotion over the impounding of ARA Libertad Puricelli had to sacrifice the head of intelligence, Maria Lourdes Puente Olivera, apparently considered a brilliant officer, says the Buenos Aires media.

That same month Puricelli had to remove the head of the Navy he had named last February, together with the two other top ranking officers.

Likewise he had to support the street protests of the Coast Guard, Gendarmerie and Armed Forces petty officers complaining about salaries and contributions to pension funds. At the time he argued that “military personnel salaries are reasonable and adequate to the current economic reality”.

However the whole payments system and pensions scheme was reviewed and amended.
Puricelli had made President Cristina Fernandez sign Decrees 1305 and 1307, which were the cause of all the payments distortions that finally led to the protests.

Given the claims and proven errors in the calculi of the salaries the administration of President Cristina Fernandez had to back step and suspend the controversial decrees.

There is also the incident with the corvette Espora stranded for months in South Africa because of lack of spares, maintenance and refusal of the Germans to supply them until previous bills were honored.

ARA Espora was the third choice to participate in naval exercises with South Africa and Brazil because one of the vessels also had engine problems and couldn’t sail, the other was stranded in the subs naval base of Mar del Plata because of the sand silting in the exit canal.

Although previous to his time, the Argentine navy’s icebreaker “Almirant Irizar” which suffered heavy damages when she caught fire on return from Antarctica remains in out of service since 2007.

In other words the Puricelli could have to exit cabinet carrying in his pack the exposure of Argentina’s decadent navy.


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1 Bongo (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 03:34 am Report abuse
In fairness this decommisioned, cannibalized vessel was due to be scrapped anyway.
2 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 04:49 am Report abuse
CFK needs to have idiots surrounding her to make her look half competent by comparison.
3 Frank (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 05:00 am Report abuse
@1 it should have been scrapped years ago..... RGs don't scrap ships.... they just let them rust away.... go to google earth and check the ones by the floating dock at Mar del Plata and also close east of the naval college at La Plata.

He may survive as the last thing KFC wants is someone with brains in her government showing her up. He is truly a total dickhead though....
4 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 05:12 am Report abuse
Very sad state of affairs for a once proud Armada.

Beyond Officers salaries, I am sure they simply have been starved by CFK for operating money.

I bet if they scrapped these ships, CFK would just grab the salvage money, rather than putting it back into the Navy.

No operational ships = nothing for the Officers to do = no dangerous missions or engagements either. Perhaps they spend their time polishing their brass buttons or cleaning their white uniforms for Welcome Home Victory Celebrations at Mar del Plata??
5 LEPRecon (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 07:54 am Report abuse
I like the bit where he says that the ship wasn't that old, so shouldn't have sunk, therefore it must be sabotage.

It really does show his ignorance if anything military up.

Yes the vessels isn't that old, but it has been sitting in dock rusting for years, without any servicing of any kind, and has been canalised for spare parts for other vessels.

This was always going to be the outcome for this vessel, it was just a matter of when it was finally going to give up the ghost and die.

No doubt many other Argentine vessels are in similar straits too.

I do wonder if the Argentine navy has any top brass left to fire. Didn't he get rid of most of them over the Libertad incident?
6 Frank (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 08:04 am Report abuse
39 years is **very old ** for a ' modern ' warship esp when not maintained..... when was she last slipped? anodes changed? when did anybody last 'sound around'....

Is the head of the RG navy still that corpulent blanket folder who got his 'malvinas' gongs cleaning the bogs at Rio Gallegos?
7 Zethee (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 08:06 am Report abuse
Lmfao. I never knew it sunk.

Who needs anti ship missiles and aircraft when there ships sink themselves. Or are held hostage.

Absolutely the worst and most embarrassing navy in the entire world. I mean, forget even about taking the islands. If someone were to attack Argentina, they could not even defend themselves.
8 LEPRecon (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 08:10 am Report abuse
I particularly like the headline about Argentine Navy's honour.

Didn't they lose their honour in 1982, when they fled leaving the crew of the Belgrano to the mercies of the South Atlantic waters?

I don't recall the Argentine Navy doing anything since that would've allowed them to regain their honour.
9 reality check (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 08:22 am Report abuse
Let's not forget their greatest feat of arms. Sneaking up in the dark to invade and subjugate an island of 2.500 peaceful people.
10 Frank (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 08:50 am Report abuse
Their only other feats of arms... the genocidal 'war of the desert ' and the war of the triple alliance. Not a lot to be proud of there.... unless you are anRG...
11 Anglotino (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 08:51 am Report abuse
He said....
No she said......
No he said......
They said.......
Someone said........

Veeeeeery little personal responsibility being taken here!
12 reality check (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 09:10 am Report abuse
They can not invest in their military. They are scared and on their past history have every right to be.
13 CJvR (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 09:33 am Report abuse
That idiot should have been fire long ago, it would have raised the average IQ of the regime no matter who his replacement was.
14 reality check (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 10:21 am Report abuse
UK military presence stopping them from invading again. Libertad seized in Ghana. Corvette stranded because of unpaid bills and now this ship sinks at the quayside. Gaff after gaff after gaff after gaff. Leave him where he is, my worry is they may replace him for someone who does know what the f@@k he's doing!!!!!!!!!!
15 willi1 (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 10:37 am Report abuse
it´s like ck: she is also an old frigate, ready for scrapping, but nobody dares to do so for fear of being scrapped with her.
16 Joe Bloggs (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 11:00 am Report abuse
Does anyone know how many vessels the Argies have that are actually sea/ battle worthy and that are worthy of being labelled a war ship in the 21st century? If they had to steam into action somewhere on Monday, what could their effort consist of, all up?
17 Room101 (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 11:43 am Report abuse
CFK can't be seen to be taking a lead in rebuilding the Argentina Navy: scapegoats are her game.
18 Steveu (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 11:46 am Report abuse
I rang up my local model shop and asked if they had the Santisima Trinidad in stock

Fortunately they did so I asked if they could put it on one side for me...

Boom Boom (c) B Brush
19 Redrow (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 12:10 pm Report abuse
Perhaps BA is feigning naval incompetence and decay to lull the FI into a false sense of security. If so, then they are certainly very good at it. Meanwhile the Libertad sneaks in undetected.
20 Rufus (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
The key bit is the unmaintained condition.

Compare and contrast with the ship that was originally called HMS Elephant when it was laid down. 34 years after it was launched (which was another nine years after it was laid down), it was still not only seaworthy, but was in a good enough state of repair to still be active as INS Viraat 26 years after the Royal Navy sold it to the Indian Navy.

I can't remember exactly how many times during it's one notable campaign it was claimed to have been sunk. I wonder if anyone else could enlighten me.
21 reality check (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
That's not the real Hermes. That's a copy the British built on the Falklands, in three months, to hide the fact that the Argentines sank the real Hermes. You can read it in all the Argtenine literature. They have witnesses and actual footage of the attack, Ok it's only a cartoon, but it's real nevertheless.
Every Argentine knows this to be fact.
22 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
The old 'sulphuric acid in a bog cleaner bottle trick' worked a treat... Heh heh!
23 andy65 (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
What a beautiful site to see on a Sunday afternoon
24 redpoll (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
No,no you have all got it wrong. This CFKs new secret weapon!!!! A destroyer that can steam on its side and show its bottom to all comers
25 Conqueror (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
@9 Aren't you forgetting how they lied about the position of the Belgrano and what it was doing? Because it was INSIDE the exclusion zone not outside. And because it was heading for an RV also within the exclusion zone and not for its home port.
@14 What are the figures for how long their “ships” can spend at sea? Isn't it about 16 days a year?
@21 Wasn't it Invincible that the argies claimed to have sunk six times? Given that the war only lasted 74 days, doesn't that mean we could build an aircraft carrier every 12 days? We should get in touch with the Aircraft Carrier Alliance and tell 'em to get a move on. They've been at it for 3 years now. With another 3-4 years to go. What's holding them up?
26 Anbar (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Have they sunk the Invincible AGAIN?
27 MrFlagpole (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
28 Trunce (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
@24 redpoll

Nearly right. It is in fact cutting edge stealth technology, with a lower radar cross section than a Type 45 Destroyer.

Rumour has it that CFK has also obtained RQ-170 sentinel stealth drone now reverse engineered by her Iranian chums.
29 Martin Woodhead (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
The FIDF sent one of its trained elephant seals on a recce and it took a tentative bite out of the rust bucket.
30 redpoll (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
That dead frigate looks as if she has been screwed out of the water! What a disgrace for Argentina. Poor old Guillermo Brown must be squirming in his grave back in Ireland
31 andy65 (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
What a beautiful site to see on a Sunday afternoon
32 redpoll (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
Holy Trinity or a trinity of holes?
33 reality check (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
Googled this song.
Honest to god, the fact the Muppets are singing it is pure coincidence, a very appropriate one though.
34 briton (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
We thought this was the new argentine secret weapon,
Navy ships on their sides,
Low in the water, perhaps this new way of sending ships to war, it this what argentina calls [ stealth ships]

Or is this a future looking multy roll submarine,

Give em chips for trying,
Mind you, they would be better of just scrapping it now lolol.

35 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 08:13 pm Report abuse

A disgrace? Still you brits trying to make a tempest out of dew?

A disgrace is invading a country due to wrong information, killing tens of thousands of civilians because of a “mistake”. That's a real disgrace.
36 briton (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
That's a real disgrace
Invading an unarmed, peaceful, none aggressive islanders,
Abusing, threatening, intimidating ,
And being directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent lives,
That’s disgraceful.

and you did it all by yourselves,
and you still have not learned nothing .
37 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
35 Tito The Clown Troll

“A disgrace is invading a country due to wrong information, killing tens of thousands of civilians because of a “mistake”. That's a real disgrace”

And what of the “Dirty War”??? Was that a “Disgrace” or a “mistake”?

And those Nun's that you threw out of a plane? Was that a “Disgrace” or a “mistake”?

And the 'war of the desert ' and the war of the triple alliance, what were they??

Take your time answering but I want an answer. Seems you are quick to point out the mistakes of Tony “call me the right hand of god” Blair, how about answering for your governments crimes?
38 redpoll (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
@35 Snotty . Your handerchief is in you left trouser pocket. Please use it to clean the snot off your face. The Mounties are goona getcha Alex!
39 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
@35 TTT

Never mind the 'honour of the navy' with the Trinidad lying on her side.

What about the honour of Argentina, CFK lying on her back for Chavez, Iran, Vietnam, and China?
40 redpoll (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
Todays toast in the wardroom over gin and bitters “Bottoms Up” ????????????????
41 Frank (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
If you look at the pic at the head of this article the RG Navee can't even rig an antipollution boom properly.... sad innit
42 redpoll (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
Where is Think? He been thunk too?
43 andy65 (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 11:59 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the 8th The only disgrace is YOU and THE BOTOX QUEEN CRISSY KIRCHNER
44 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 01:55 am Report abuse
This is what happens when you buy from other countries and then they refuse to sell you part for it. This is exactly the reason why I support a nuclear defense program 100 % made in Argentina. I think Argentina is better off building garbage at home then paying brits to dump theirs in Argentina's back yard.
45 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 02:57 am Report abuse
A disgrace is having TRIPLE dip recessions, you Europeans are rewriting economics books.

Not even “basketcase” Argentina you all yap about has had a triple dip!!!

But yes you people are booming... hahahah.
46 Anglotino (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 03:05 am Report abuse
Yeah so much better to have a full economic collapse.
Have a full depression.
Default on debt.
And redominate the currency.

Argentina wishes it had had a triple dip recession.

And after the next crash, they'll all wish they had been lucky enough to have had a triple dip recession.
47 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 03:09 am Report abuse
Except there is no economic collapse, or depression going on.
48 Ayayay (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 03:13 am Report abuse
The Arg gov admits it's in a recession, & with 30% raises ahead that no one is going to get.
49 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 03:24 am Report abuse
Ok... but is your country growing???

I thought so. Silence.
50 Teaboy2 (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 04:45 am Report abuse
@49 is your country growing our isn't its growth now in decline?

Not only that, even though our growth maybe down or even in a triple dip, our economy is still far bigger than yours. Therefore 1% decline has no effect on us, where on your country the effect would be felt much much more.

You only have to look at the fact your industrial production is down for the first time in an decade, your dollar clamps, protectionist policies (put in place to encourage growth in industry), to see that all of us here that have been warning you of a coming collapse were right!
51 Anglotino (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 08:44 am Report abuse
“Except there is no economic collapse, or depression going on.”

How do you boil a frog? LMAO
52 reality check (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 08:58 am Report abuse
Thought you claimed to be intelligent? Stop using hallucinagenic substances, or you will definately not overtake your parents salaries within the next 18 month, as you predict.
53 LEPRecon (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 09:09 am Report abuse
@44 - PH

Of course the British refused to sell you parts for these ships. You INVADED sovereign BRITISH territory. What did you think the British would do? Pillock.

Next time Argentina declares war on someone, you'd better check that they aren't the main supplier of your military hardware first.

All of this is Argentina's FAULT. Argentina is to BLAME. Quite frankly I don't care if all your naval vessels sink. They probably will, because the Argentine government is too busy stuff money into their off-shore bank accounts, and not funding Argentina's armed forces.

Tell me PH. If the Argentine government can't even afford to repair and maintain the vessels that it has, AND it can't afford to send it's vessels to sea for more than 161 days between them (that's 10 days at sea for each of Argentina's 'sea-worthy' vessels), how do you think they're going to fund your “100% Argentine nuclear weapon” programme?

I mean that if your incompetent government can't even maintain vessels, what chance do you think they have of maintaining a nuclear weapon and it's delivery system assuming they could build one?

@47 - Nostril

That's right, keep your head buried in the sand while Argentina collapses around you. That'll really help, won't it?

This incident is a symptom of a disease. That disease is corruption. It's about time the people of Argentina did something about these corrupt politicians who don't give a damn about Argentina, as long as they can keep bleeding you all dry.

Wake up and act before they destroy Argentina for good.
54 Rufus (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 10:09 am Report abuse
@Nostrils - The thing about a triple dip recession is that the economy has to go down, then go back up a little, then go down, then go back up a little, then go down.
Hence the name - triple dip.

What we're used to from Argentina is for the economy to crash, then go down a little more, then crash, then go down a little more, then crash and so on. This is largely because your politicians are more interested in lining their own pockets than helping your economy.

Give me a triple dip rather than a staggered death spiral any day...
55 ChrisR (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 10:29 am Report abuse
I wonder if he will take his model solid fuelled rocket with him when he goes?

25% payload it has, according to Putridjelli! The V2, the first successful LIQUID rocket managed 8%. But, there again, it did work and terrified the British during WW2.

I hope she keeps this prat in post; it can only speed up the total demise of the military.
56 Fox (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
Surely this laughable episode is an exact representation of the way Argentina is going, on its side and sinking. I don't know about sacking the Navy Officers, but perhaps things would improve if someone sacked the top disfunctionary. God forbid she gets another term.
57 LEPRecon (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
@56 - Fox

Actually it will benefit the UK and the Falkland Islanders is CFK gets a third term.

Since taking office she has:

- Ruined Argentina's economy
- Starved Argentina's Armed Forces
- Ensured that no international company would invest in Argentina
- Humiliated Argentina on the world stage (on more than one occasion)
- Been caught out in outright lies by the world's media
- Her protectionist trade policies have isolated Argentina from the rest of South America
- Through her ever increasing attempts to divert the Argentine population she has brought the Falklands to international attention, which hasn't actually boded well for her
- She has p!ssed of the USA, and continues to do so
- She has destroyed Argentina's tourist industry
- She has p!ssed off the Unions
- She has p!ssed off the WTO, IMF and UN

I could go on and on, but you get the picture. Her continued epic mismanagement of Argentina means that the Falklands will be completely safe for decades, if not in perpetutity.

In fact her constant ranting about the Falklands has caused many Argentines to either look closer at the history (and found that they never owned the Islands), or made them so fed up of hearing about them that they no longer care.

So CFK in power is a win for the UK and the Falklands, and CFK in power is a lose for the people of Argentina.
58 wangito (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
A brilliant show of the Falkland dispute, Past present and future.
59 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
“Minister Puricelli’s...complete lack of knowledge regarding armed forces terminology after two years in the ministry and before that as head of Military Industries.”
LOL! You couldn't make this sh!t up! Truth really is stranger than fiction! Hahaha!!
60 wangito (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
Don't forget...CFK was elected by an important majority.
Isn't this an indicator to the IQ level of the majority of the RG's?
Or is democracy an out-dated elective system?
I have read somewhere...“You will sleep in the bed you have prepared”.
61 Simon68 (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
60 wangito (#)
Jan 28th, 2013 - 03:25 pm

Not such an important majority, 54% of the total electorate, but only 32.6% of the total votes cast!!!!!!!
62 redpoll (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
And what is her popularity rating now? I am sure according to that trustworthy agencia INDEC is over 80% of course
63 briton (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
And what’s wrong with a triple dip recession,

At least we can have one, and still come through it smelling of roses,

You Argies can’t even have a single recession, without going bang.

We are merely showing you fools how it done,
Just waiting for the right moment to start the engines again, and away we go.
64 Falkland Islands (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 12:46 am Report abuse
I support a nuclear defense program 100 % made in Argentina! I love old Pirat Hunter, he is so funny he thinks Argentina could do that, they can't even keep a ship 100% upright in Argentina. I just love it!
65 wangito (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 12:08 pm Report abuse
Your post shows how ignorant you are...
In her last address to the nation, Mrs. Bottox (AKA CFK) said that this is how the newly RG government desgined battle ships suppose to float.
66 Frank (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 12:08 am Report abuse
@65 Correcto.... no other navy has such a stable weapons platform
67 redpoll (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 03:35 am Report abuse
Yep Can turtle and fire cowshit from its bottom. Splat! Gotcha again Invincible!

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