Monday, February 4th 2013 - 05:23 UTC

“Right and proper” Islanders are involved in meetings that concern the Falklands

The Foreign Office has reiterated its concern about the Argentine’s government behaviour towards the Falkland Islanders and considers it ‘right and proper’ that they should be involved in the part of those meetings with Argentina that concern the Islands.

Hague’s offer for a meeting with Timerman still stands, says Foreign Office

In a brief statement on the eve of Argentine Foreign minister Hector Timerman trip to London for a week of activities related to Argentina’s sovereignty claim over the Malvinas, a Foreign Office spokesperson said that despite Minsister Timerman rejection of a meeting with the Foreign Secretary, William Hague, and representatives of the Falkland Islands Government, the offer of a meeting ‘on these terms’ still stands.

“We note that Mr. Timerman has publicly rejected the Foreign Secretary’s offer of a meeting whilst he is in the UK. We have always said that we are open to discuss a wide range of issues that affect our two countries, including our respective interests as members of the United Nations Security Council”.

However, “it is clear from Mr Timerman plans in the UK that the Falkland Islands are already on his agenda. We remain concerned about the Argentine government’s behavior towards the Falkland Islanders, so it is right and proper that they are involved in the part of the meeting that concerns the Islands. We have made that clear to the Argentine Government in recent exchanges, and the Foreign Secretary’s offer of a meeting on these terms still stands”, concludes the brief statement.


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1 Gordo1 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:46 am Report abuse
Polite and correct - well done, Mr Hague!

If Timerman continues to reject a meeting then “on his head be it”! Dreadful lack of respect!
2 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:09 am Report abuse
Well, it is simply rude that the man demands discussions on the islands and when offered discussions he simply rejects them based upon some curious requirements he has. The UN called for talks, he rejected them.

The matter is now closed, and the man is simply rude and uncouth.
3 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:51 am Report abuse
Well he is pretty well buggered for the next time he goes to the UN and harps on about this again. What's he going to call for, the UK enters into talks? Duh!
mans a plonker!
4 Britworker (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:13 am Report abuse
Well, we have offered them talks, after the referendum in March we should completely wash our hands of them.
5 LEPRecon (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:16 am Report abuse
Well said Mr Hague.

The next time this Argentine administration go whinging to the UN, the UN should remind them that the UK was willing to talk, and that Argentina didn't want to. Then they should tell them to STFU, and stop wasting everyones time.

Never mind, in March the results of the referendum will be in, and the UN can tell Argentina that their mythical land of Malvina's does not exist, and that only the Falklands exist, and until Argentina start calling the Islands by their correct name, they won't be allowed air time at the UN.
6 screenname (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:17 am Report abuse
The truth is that if he wants bilateral talks then they should be between the Islanders and Argentina.

In reality the UK is never going to forcibly remove the Islanders from their home. Mordern views on ethical conduct simply would not allow it.

And because Argentina uses political power to try and isolate the Falklands from SA, leaving the UK and EU would be a crazy move.

Which means Argentina does not really want the Falklands, it just wants a handy scapegoat.
7 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:24 am Report abuse
Mr Timerman, what did you reply to the UK's offer for talks.
8 falklandlad (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:24 am Report abuse
Spoken like it should be said. Thank you.
9 DanyBerger (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:36 am Report abuse
The conservatives are very stupids and only gain isolation from SA and Europe and then have no clue on how to get away with it.
The mess in which UK is now with EU thanks to these idiots even the economist tell them that
10 Ratamacue (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:38 am Report abuse
It's just typical Argentine behaviour and well done Mr Hague for a polite and to the point statement. I'm happy for them to remain at a distance!
11 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:42 am Report abuse
Yes and not a single veiled threat or sarcatic comment in the statement. Take note Titman, that's how it's done!
12 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:44 am Report abuse
@9 DanyBerger

In our country its called the “freedom of the press”, anyone can publish their views and thoughts .
13 screenname (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:47 am Report abuse
9 DanyBerger: 'The conservatives are very stupids...'

Comedy gold, and you churn it out without even having to think.
14 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:51 am Report abuse
Of course they are our fools and I would rather have ours, than theirs!
15 Brit Bob (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:11 am Report abuse
Hector Timerman aka Groucho Markes on

16 ChrisR (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:14 am Report abuse
@9 Dunny-Berger
“The conservatives are very stupids”

'StupidS', I thought you were german? StupidS indeed!

Get back ito the shithole you live in and wait until your cretinous government have crashed: you may get a chance at being the AR Forign Minister - they will need a full whack-job to replace Twat-face Timerman.
17 Be serious (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:21 am Report abuse
The Argentines want talks without any pre-conditions ..... errr with the exception that the Falkland Islanders can't be present.

These people are simply not serious.
18 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:06 am Report abuse
Timerman has not been very gentleman, the Lord Hauge was also very clever. Given the refusal of Timerman , Mr. Hauge should propose a bilateral meeting with the condition but not to touch the issue of the Falklands, have been better off ..
19 ElaineB (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:11 am Report abuse
@18 This was offered to Timerman. The only condition was that if Timerman wished to raise the issue of the Falklands, the FIG representatives would be present ONLY for that part of the meeting.

Timerman is a fool. He has been completely outwitted.
20 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:22 am Report abuse
Mr. Hauge had to exclude the Malvinas issue, receive and end point Timerman . It speaks highly of Hauge come a foreign minister and did not receive . I think I miss the touch .
21 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
That would have allowde Timerman to continue to paint the UK has the boogie man. This way, Haig can honestly say that talks were offered and have been rejected. Timerman can try raise the bilateral issue, but the UN never called for bilateral talks, just talks and has this involves the Human Rights of the Islanders, the UN is hardly likely to call for them to be excluded.
22 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:31 am Report abuse
@ 21
I think the argument that human rights are not respected islanders is very weak. Their rights are respected by UK who will have the military occupation of the islands. Argentina has no power over you, therefore not requiring something corresponds to a country that does not have any decision about their rights.
23 Anbar (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:34 am Report abuse
there is no military occupation of the islands.
24 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:38 am Report abuse
the military occupations of the islands were all during Argentina's attempts to get hold of them. The last time was in 1982.

Having a military presence is not the same thing as an occupation, your flawed education system wouldn't tell you that though.
25 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:43 am Report abuse
Excuse my educational shortcomings, for understanding high levels of complexity of thought, the strange thing is that the Islanders are the only ones who think they have a high level of understanding, surely you are of a higher caste. My education is so poor that I can not afford to be a teacher in mathematics, which is why I decided to study law also. Excuse my intellectual poverty.
26 Anbar (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:49 am Report abuse
if you studied law you should be more careful using certain terminology... it was something that i was taught when i did law anyway....

so, as i said, there is no military occupation (as you well know).

the military are there by invitation to protect the Islands people from ANOTHER Argentina military invasion.

very simple to grasp, even for a law student. ¬_¬
27 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:50 am Report abuse
The term is universal rigthts, the UN can not and will not nit pick, to who they do and do not apply.
UK military forces are there to prevent a repeat invasion, Argentinas word not to use military force, is not accepted.
28 LEPRecon (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:55 am Report abuse
@25 - Xavierv

You limited understanding is of your own doing. Like all fanatics you only believe what you want to believe, and will interpret statements in a way that you feel supports your stance.

We have seen this continually by you and others constantly harping on about UNGA resolutions.

If you actually bothered to read them, you would understand that EVERY single UNGA resolution made regarding the Falkland Islands state that the wishes of the Islanders must be taken into account.

Argentina walked away from the diplomatic route in 1982, when you illegally invaded and occupied British territory AGAINST the wishes of the Islanders.

You continually ignore the Islanders, and say that they have no human rights because they are an implanted population, conveniently forgetting that you yourself are an implanted population, so by your own argument you also have no human rights.

Xavierv, if Argentina's claim to sovereignty is so strong, why don't you take it to the ONLY international body in the world that can decide it, the International Court of Justice?

Three times the UK offered to go, and three time Argentina REFUSED. What does that really tell us about the legitimacy of Argentinas claim?

Also, you have (deliberately?) misunderstood the difference between occupation and a military presence, as Shed-time said.

A millitary occupation is against the wishes of the inhabitants, and military presence is with the consent of the inhabitants.

So as Shed-time correctly stated, Argentina's military OCCUPIED the Islands AGAINST the will of the Islanders, wheras Britains military is there with the CONSENT of the Islanders.

You'd think someone who had studied law would understand the difference, perhaps you didn't pass your exams.

A fanatic: “Someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject.”

Describes you and your La Campora friends quite nicely, doesn't it?
29 RICO (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
You would think if the Island was subject to military occupation in 1983 when troop numbers were higher then the islanders would not have introduced liberation day as a public holiday that year.
30 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
Using the same approach you, I see you are more fanatical than me! Because the Islanders are the only ones who believe in their stories, and they change their minds. The rest of the world has a very different view their claims .. Regarding “The Campora” I insist CFK opponent.
31 Typhoon (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
@26 He probably only studies argie law. Ever seen an argie law book? It's very thin. Only one page. It just says “Make it up as you go along.”
32 LEPRecon (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:24 pm Report abuse
@30 - Xavierv

Again more La Campora bollocks. By regurgitating the same old stuff makes you a La Campora troll. Never thinking for yourself. Never doing any independent research.

You are always stating how the whole world backs Argentina's claim, when they DON'T. You have never shown proof that they support you. A few empty phrases that are not backed up by action.

Lying is very bad for your soul, Xavierv, you should go and visit your Priest and confess about all the lies you've been telling.

Try answering the question I posted in my post @28.

If Argentina's sovereignty claim is so SOLID, why don't you take it to the International Court of Justice?

Come on Xavierv, you said you'd studied law, so you must know that the UK abides by the ICJ rulings, even if Argentina does not.

If you're so sure of your claim, take it to the ICJ.

But you won't, because you know that your claims are LIES, based upon more LIES, and if the ICJ rules against Argentina, you know that all your colonial ambitions are finished.

For 180 years the Falkland Islanders have lived on the Falklands. That makes them the native inhabitants, because there was no indigenous population prior to them arriving, not even a bunch of murdering, raping soldiers from the United Provinces, they arrived later.

Every year that passes by strengthens the Falklands rights to their own property and to exploit their own resources.

Every year that passes by sees Argentina's erroneous claims getting weaker and weaker.

No one supports you. You are on your own.

When push comes to shove the rest of South America will accept the Falkland Islanders, and be happy to trade with them.

Argentina, it's own worst enemy. Always looking at everyone else, seeing that the grass is greener, instead of tilling and looking after your own land.

It's pathetic.
33 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
Utterly foolish you are timerman.
34 ElaineB (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
@30. Now you are just being silly. The rest of the world does not share the views of the Argentine government. The country is so inward looking that you think it is significant; it is not. And just because Timerman says something, it does not make it true. If anything, you should disregard his ramblings and understand that 'the rest of the world' laughs when he speaks. The damage he has done to your country's reputation is immeasurable.

For someone anti-K you sure do support their propaganda.
35 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
Surely our right is very poor, imagine what will be the right South America Argentina using the literature and its authors as a reference for the study?
So you can only think for themselves, 3000 Islanders are the only thoroughbred who can think freely enlightened! Oooohhh! They have my vote to lead the world and become the master race!
This is politics and everyone plays their game .. We raised the issue as a bilateral issue and ask for UK refuses to sit down and talk .. See, it's all about points of view.
36 ElaineB (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
@35 The UK did NOT refuse to sit down and talk. Don't believe that myth.
The facts disprove that claim by Timerman.

The UK welcomed talks on a number if subjects with Timerman but, quite rightly, insisted the FIG be included in any discussions regarding the Falklands.

Timerman is a liar.
37 The Cestrian (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:48 pm Report abuse

The government of Israel has rightfully protested the farce. Andres Oppenheimer of the Miami Herald fumed that the agreement is like “making a deal with a suspected killer to jointly investigate a murder.” He concludes that Argentina has irrevocably cast its lot with Hugo Chavez’s pro-Iranian stance.

Under Peronist President Cristina Kirchner, Argentina has flaunted the rule of law, dodged international debt obligations, and engaged in thuggish behavior in a desperate bid to intimidate the Falkland Islands. On the domestic front, the Kirchner regime is waging war on the independent media and has taken statisticians to court for speaking the truth about inflation rates in Argentina.

Once a solid regional partner, still a member of the G-20, and the third-largest economy in South America, Argentina appears to be hurtling toward intellectual, economic, and moral bankruptcy.
38 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
@ 37
That makes me laugh .. What is the dream of an island? That Argentina goes bankrupt! Maybe that happens sometimes, but I'm pretty sure that first disappear UK. With Muslim immigrants breed like rabbits, before the end of this century UK will have lost their national identity!
39 The Cestrian (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:56 pm Report abuse

Stop bullshitting and smell the coffee, if you Campora lot are able to do so with the drugs stuffed up your nose.

RG Land is on the edge of oblivion. Smoke it son.
40 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
Where these Conqueror?? Pleased with your knowledge of weapons! How would you pay for throwing warheads on Argentina? I'm sure you are willing to sabotage the British army to destroy itself in Argentina, or Conqueror?
41 M's Bulldog (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:09 pm
Comment removed by the editor.
42 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
Muslims and are 3%? Weee ... You know some geometric progression? Too bad you will not live to the end of the century to understand my point ..
43 Anbar (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
The simple fact is that the UK has offered and will continue to offer to hold talks with Argentina so long as it includes the Falklands Islands Government.

Everything done and singed by the UN recognises them and their rights, you will not be able to find ANYWHERE the claims by Timmerman that the UN as a body have even so much as hinted that the Islanders have no right to representation.
The only individuals WITHIN the UN who have said that are C24 members who are clearly in breach of their entire REASON for existence: to ASSIST the Falklands Islanders
Timmermans arguments are self-contradictory. He argues that the islanders are colonists and therefore have no rights, YET Argentine history details THEM colonising the lands in 1833... but...hang on! That means THEY had no rights either.
Also note:
”A number of states have laid claim to territories, which they allege were removed from them as a result of colonialism. This is justified by reference to Paragraph 6 of UN Resolution 1514(XV), which states that any attempt “aimed at partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter”. This, it is claimed, applies to situations where the territorial integrity of a state had been disrupted by colonisation, so that the people of a territory subject to a historic territorial claim are prevented from exercising a right to self-determination. This interpretation is rejected by many states, who argue that Paragraph 2 of UN Resolution 1514(XV) states that “all peoples have the right to self-determination” and Paragraph 6 cannot be used to justify territorial claims. The original purpose of Paragraph 6 was “to ensure that acts of self-determination occur within the established boundaries of colonies, rather than within sub-regions”. Further, the use of the word attempt in Paragraph 6 denotes future action and cannot be construed to justify territorial redress for past action.
44 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
@42 Xavier

Argentina has a Muslim population of 2%.
45 ElaineB (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
@42 You are a racist idiot.
46 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
@ 44
Trash .. Muslims in Argentina are less than 2% and are mostly descendants that long ago, and are adapted to our lifestyle,
But that does not happen in the UK, there are Muslims closed and fans are increasingly ..
47 RICO (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:31 pm Report abuse
After 5 years of telling every government in South America that the Falkland Islands is a multilateral dispute that effects the whole of South America, Argentina is no saying it is a bilateral dispute and nothing to do with the Falkland Islanders.

As for the UKs Muslim population, what does it matter if it was 100%. They would still support the Islanders, traditionally Muslims are probably even more likely to not compromise on this sort of insane claims that CFK indulges in. To say nothing of the fact that Argentina would then probably loose the support of Syria and Iran and North Korea might go with them.
48 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
@ 45
Your CommentYour fear that UK become Muslim, makes you so helpless and so you attack me ..

I love that they are so fanatical Muslims and protect them, soon you will feel the “tolerance” Islamic ..
49 stick up your junta (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:40 pm Report abuse
Welcome to the club ;-)

Muslims welcome Hijab Law in Argentina.Video Length : 1 Min 54 sec
The administration of Cristina Fernandez has passed an historic legislation that allows Muslim women to wear hijab in public places without the fear of persecution. They can use photographs wearing headscarves for their national ID cards.
The new law seeks to promote freedom of religion and expression in the Latin American country, and help the Muslim community to integrate into the Argentinean
50 LEPRecon (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
@46 - Xavierv

I just showed your post to one of my co-workers, a British muslim, who is 3rd generation.

He laughed at what you wrote, and called you an idiot. You have no idea what a muslim is, and you have no idea what a British muslim is.

He and his family celebrate Christmas every year, not as a religious holiday (although he and all muslims believe that Jesus Christ was a Prophet) but as a secular holiday.

He even buys his children Easter eggs, and was very proud when his daughter was picked to play the Virgin Mary in the schools nativity play last year.

His father is a local councillor in Birmingham City Council. So hardly the isolationist people you claim them to be. They are British and proud to be so. They involve themselves in the community, and do their best to improve conditions for themselves, their families and their neighbours REGARDLESS of their religious faith.

Your post makes you sound like a very desperate racist, getting more hysterical all the time, because we won't agree with your deluded lies.
51 Idlehands (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
“I'm pretty sure that first disappear UK. With Muslim immigrants breed like rabbits, before the end of this century UK will have lost their national identity!”

.....does that explain why the national identity of Argentina is Hispanic rather than say Mapuches?
52 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
@48 xavierv.
But you have been claiming that all Muslims are the same and “breed like rabbits”

Also don't forget about your new partner and friend, Iran, you should enjoy that partnership.
53 ynsere (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
Fortunately the UK is a multicultural and diverse nation. So is Argentina
(except for your still downtrodden Amerindian population). As I see it, you're just a xenophobic racist and represent nobody. Normal Argentines, whatever their political views, must feel very ashamed of you.
54 Condorito (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
@41 M's Bulldog
I asked for your post to be removed on grounds of the racist language.
I am surprised the rest of you skipped over the post at 41 but denounce Xavierv as racist.

Xavierv may be talking bollocks, but please show a bit more objectivity.
55 Simon68 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
We should all congratulate XAVIERV for having completely changed the subject of this thread from the FCO's disappointment at Timerman's refusal to take part in talks to a discusion on the Muslim population of the UK. Well done, XAVIERV, your La Campora bosses should be very pleased with you!!!!!!!
56 GFace (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
Scratch a Malvanista, get a racist, antisemites and the whole fascist package. I think we established that long ago.
57 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse

Mercopress has always removed racist comments against anglos, but NEVER against latins.

And that neatly sums up Anglo culture morality and values. Emetic culture.
58 Trunce (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:22 pm Report abuse

As you are student of law, I would be very much interested in your response to LEPREcon's question @ 28 and again repeated @32.

“Xavierv, if Argentina's claim to sovereignty is so strong, why don't you take it to the ONLY international body in the world that can decide it, the International Court of Justice?

Three times the UK offered to go, and three time Argentina REFUSED. What does that really tell us about the legitimacy of Argentinas claim?”

Just reminding you in case you missed the question.
59 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:24 pm Report abuse
'A visit to London with agenda by Falkland -
“We came to England to prove that Argentina is a peaceful and democratic country,” said Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman arriving at London, where will participate tomorrow in a meeting with British parliamentarians. The official reiterated his intention to have a bilateral with his counterpart William Hague, although he returned to reject members of the Government of the Falklands to participate in it.
[The Argentine Foreign Minister will begin tomorrow with his agenda of activities, including the meeting of the multi-party parliamentary Group Argentina-Reino attached which will take place from Tuesday 5 to Thursday 7 February in the British Parliament.
In addition to Timerman, the appointment with the legislators will count with the participation of the Presidents of the commissions of the Senate Foreign relations, Daniel Filmus, and deputies, Guillermo Carmona. We have, among other activities, a historical presentation and a dissertation on the Argentine rights and the non-applicability of the principle of self-determination. In turn, expose Argentines petitioners before the Committee's decolonization of the United Nations, Mr. Alejandro Betts and Marcelo Vernet.
On Wednesday the meeting will be held with the 18 groups European Pro dialog about the Malvinas question. It will be the official residence of the Ambassador Alicia Castro. Involving politicians, academics, writers and journalists: Germany, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Spain, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Czech Republic, United Kingdom, Romania and Sweden. On the other hand, Timerman will attend to the headquarters of the International Maritime Organization (IMO), where he will be received by the General of the Agency, Koji Sekimizu.....'
60 Anbar (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
“”“And that neatly sums up Anglo culture morality and values. Emetic culture.”“”

and that neatly sums up how a racist acts.

@54 - couldnt agree more with you, can stand any of the racist bullshit perpetrated by any side... plenty of idiots on all sides as proven by Nostrodalmus' last addition to the “racists R Us” group.

“Mercopress has always removed racist comments against anglos, but NEVER against latins.”

Yes they have, you chose to ignore it to try to make your point “bigger & better” than it really is.

A bit like a certain Mr Timmerman in fact.

National trait? I very much doubt it, but its certainly the defence of those with doubts on the veracity of their own 'thoughts'.

funny old thing.
61 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
I wonder why he is going to the IMO. Is it something to do with the embarrasing impounded flagship or the sinking of the destroyer in the dock? Or, is he just trying to expropriate the Falklands oil and gas, or fishing rights? First he has to persuade the Falkland Islanders to kowtow to Argentina. Snowballs chance in hell comes to mind...
62 Anbar (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
“”I wonder why he is going to the IMO.“” re-raise the “triumph” of getting their sailing ship back.

His visit is pretty meaningless no matter how he tries to run it up, so anything to boast its importance will be championed.

Standard PR/Political BS really.
63 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
Do not miss me, here I am. Just went to take “terere” because I live in Formosa with 30 ° C. It is difficult for a “dark” like me is racist mulatto offspring. My objections to Muslims are not discrimination, but only an objective fact. They are bigoted and played back at a higher rate than Christians in England, is no invention of mine ..
64 Anbar (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
“”“They are bigoted and played back at a higher rate than Christians in England, is no invention of mine ..”“”

saying an entire religion/people are bigoted is pretty much the definition of racism.

The supposed “Muslimification” of Europe is a lot of hot air, even more so in the UK where we have been successfully assimilating the best bits of every other nationality that comes to stay here for 2000 years.

We're masters of it.

(And i'm a Celt!)
65 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
'Argentina to the Club: in Italy say lie 'is a national tradition”

'Falklands Islands’ issue heated up by the press - Argentina's foreign minister has rejected a meeting with members of the Falkland Islands government in London next week. Hector Timmerman said the international community does not recognise a third party in the dispute, saying it is a matter between London and Buenos Aires. John Fowler is the deputy editor of the Falkland Islans newspaper the Penguin News. He gave his reaction.
It comes as no great surprise, honestly. One of the big problems we have is the fact that the Argentine government refuses to accept our legitimacy as a country. Some people talk about us as being part of Britain. And I would quarrel with that. We’re British. We’re British by our history, by culture, by choice, if you like. But we’re a British overseas territorty, not actually a part of Britain. And many of us have ambitions eventually towards the Falklands being independent, but we can’t realize these ambitions while we have a threatening and aggressive neighbor. So this is disappointing, because we do have things to talk about to Argentina, things of mutual benefits, like fisheries protection. Since the Kirschners came into power all those kinds of contacts which were useful to both sides, have ceased.....'
66 Condorito (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
@ 55 Simon
I think the fault lies with those who choose to be distracted.

@57 NT 8
I am not sure about that, but let's see. They are certainly being tardy in removing post 41.

@60 Anbar
“couldnt agree more with you, can stand any of the racist bullshit perpetrated by any side...”
I couldn't agree with you more.
67 LEPRecon (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
@63 - Xavierv

“It is difficult for a “dark” like me is racist mulatto offspring. My objections to Muslims are not discrimination, but only an objective fact.”

This is the most racist comment you've posted yet, you realise that, don't you?

What you are saying is that you can't be racist because of the colour of your skin, which is absolutely bollocks. Anyone, regardless of race, creed or colour can be a racist.

Your objections to Muslims are also extremely racist. Your “objective fact” argument was used by the NAZI's in describing the 'Jewish' problem.

So in your own racist 'objective' fact is that muslims aren't the 'same' as other people and it's therefore okay to vilefy them as 'different' and therefore 'dangerous'.


Can you answer this. If Argentina's sovereignty claim to the Falklands is so solid, why don't you take your case to the International Court of Justice?

Come on Xavierv, you said you studied law, tell us why Argentina has refused to go to the ICJ on three seperate occasions?

Surely you, with all your 'knowledge' should be able to answer that simple question.

And you can try and answer this one too?

Why is Argentina so afraid of the Falkland Islanders that you are scared to be in the same room as them?
68 Anbar (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
“”“Why is Argentina so afraid of the Falkland Islanders that you are scared to be in the same room as them?”“”

Simple really: they have to admit that the FI exist.

The Islanders' existence causes Argentina MASSIVE problems in their attempt to colonise the area...not least their right to self-determination which, according to the UN General Assembly, cannot be trumped by historical claims of national integrity.

If the Argentine Government can pretend the Islands people do not exist, then they can chose to ignore LOTS of relevant international Law and UN rules and conditions.

By accepting the Falklands Islanders exist and ahve a say in the matter the Argentine Government surrenders a MONUMENTAL amount of influence and RIGHTS to them...

and the CFK government is shit scared of that.
69 Condorito (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
To be slightly pedantic, to be anti-Islamic is not necessarily to be racist.

I dislike much of the teaching that stems from Islam (be it the correct teaching or otherwise). I also dislike much of the teaching that stems from the bible. I am not a racist.
70 screenname (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
@51 Idlehands: Don't use the H word, they are Latin, repeat L-A-T-I-N.
71 Searinox (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
5 years ago, the UK didn't, they are “concerned” shows how low has fallen the british imperialism...
72 Anbar (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
@69, i dont really care how you want to classify it... xenophobia, religious intolerance, ethnic nationalism...they are all unacceptable.

Possibly the only thing worse is people obscure the problem with their pedantry! ¬_¬
73 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
Slightly on topic, did anyone read the article in the BuenosAiresLies and Pagina-1984 where Timmerman claims that the guardian did an investigation into the UK taking nuclear materials to the falklands and then dropping it all at sea?

here it is

Timerman proceeded to divulge details of the visit, which will also consist of official meetings with MPs, with the “intention of explaining in London that the UN resolutions must be fulfilled,” and establishing whether the UK “has nuclear arms in Malvinas.”“Due to an investigation carried out by The Guardian, we found out that they took nuclear material (during the 1982 Malvinas War) but that they dropped it at sea,” despite “their repeated denial,” he concluded. [1]

Seriously, this doesn't get any less embarrassing for them, and with the trolly dolly demanding meetings without the FIG, suggesting the UK's conditions are bad, but their conditions are good, ... it's just hilarious.

74 Be serious (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Argentina still want talks without preconditions but are now insisting that William Hague be excluded and that the UK be represented by that well known comedy act, Messrs Dover and Think.
As Mrs Brown might say “Thats nice”.
75 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
The country with all the preconditions wants talks without preconditions. Surely the constitutional amemendment stating that nothing more than complete sovereignty over the islands is acceptable, is the king of all preconditions? no?

The fact is they were offered talks, they refused for their own reasons. There are no second chances in this world for die-hard bargainers. The rest is just noise and everyone should get on with life.
76 José Malvinero (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
A Hague lacked finish their silly jesting with, “and I shit on the UN and all its Resolutions” because when he says that we are open to talk about many, many issues, does not include the only important and that is the only mandate UN: THE SOVEREIGNTY.
77 M's Bulldog (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
@54 Condorito
Hey I didn't mean to offend, I said it as Xavier was being a rescist pr1ck so wanted to put the shoe on the other foot. BTW I am half Italian, and always call myself a greasy dago/wop as I find it amusing but take no offense.
If I offended you, I apologise but as you have just found out there was no rascit intent.
78 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
@ 67
You're a “typical” English my friend .. Want everyone plays Huego only you, with your terms and in your field. Well if we ICJ is a sovereign decision of Argentina and will remain so. The anger never Malvinas issue to any court proceedings, this is our game. Someday UK bilaterally negotiate the fate of the islands and their pleas and the English do not matter ..
79 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
@74 I stand ready once more to do my duty for my country, although I question Sr Think's suitability to represent UK. Still, you have my mobile number? If not, ring 07595 323703 between the hours of 10.30am and 9pm. You can always leave a massage for me.
80 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
'There's no third party involved in Malvinas negotiation,' Alicia Castro'

'Timerman: 'Argentina is an incomplete country without Malvinas'

'Argentina, the souped-up economy and the threat of another crisis
From war with Imf on GDP and fake inflation to populism. Kirchner Peronist defects falls into. And the people feared the new crac.'
81 GFace (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
@68 'The Islanders' existence causes Argentina MASSIVE problems in their attempt to colonize the area...not least their right to self-determination which, according to the UN General Assembly, cannot be trumped by historical claims of national integrity.“

And of course the national integrity thing is the most hilarious part of this. They propose to rule the FI and any other colonialist annexation from real estate that just got its ”Province” status in 1990. That's well after their celebrated Junta (hey it's on a coin) failed to colonize the FI through force. They should change the province's motto from “End of the World” to “Ever the Afterthought.”

And to just add the cherry on top, that land is currently being held by a population that truly ~has~ been ***implanted*** following a genuine genocidal campaign that occurred ~after~ that watershed date in Argentine New World Special Creationist Mythology of 1833.
82 Anbar (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:17 pm Report abuse
“”“A Hague lacked finish their silly jesting with, “and I shit on the UN and all its Resolutions” because when he says that we are open to talk about many, many issues, does not include the only important and that is the only mandate UN: THE SOVEREIGNTY.”“”“

This should NOT be hard to grasp:

The UN top-boss-man said ”The UK is in breach of NO UN RESOLUTIONS“.

how hard can it be to understand that?

And the UN General Assembly TURNED DOWN the spanish and argentine application about ” the non-applicability of the principle of self-determination.“

You cannot trump self-determination and you cannot take it away.

been there, done that, decided, end of.

who by?
The organisation the Argentine Government keeps trumpeting as its leading ”supporter”.

gone, buried, dead, shot down in flames, get over it.

how hard can it be to grasp that!!!?????
83 redpoll (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
It would appear that Sr Alex Kicillof, vice minister of economy in CFKs govt had a pretty rough passage last night on the ferry from Uruguay back to Buenos Aires. His fellow Argentine passengers recognised him and thier jeers and wrath forced him to take refuge in the captains cabin
84 golfcronie (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
Hector Timerman . Best ignore him he does not understand Anglo Saxons. He is Latin ( says it all really )
Argentina ( great country, lousy politics )
85 Condorito (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
Thanks for clarifying and being big enough to apologize - I retract my complaint.

@72 Anbar
Dislike of hateful religious teaching is in no way akin to racism. Other than that I agree with your post.

Back on the topic:
Mr H is absolutely correct on his insistence that FIG be involved in any talks. He has destroyed the Argie position. For months now CFK has been insisting (1) on opening a dialogue as per UN general assembly resolution; and (2) that it is a regional matter.

Hague as invited Timmerman to talks and included those in the “region” most affected by any decision. Timmerman has walked away. It won't stop them banging their drum, but it severely damages their position.
86 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
'“It's right and proper” that Islanders are involved in meetings that concern the Falklands'

Self-evidently right and proper.
87 redpoll (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
Kiicillof: Among the milder taunts from the passengers were “why are you holidaying in Uruguay and not Mar del Plata?” “Where did you get YOUR dollars from?”
See La Nacion and follow the links to the video
If his fellow Argentine passengers find out Mr Tinderbox and cronies return flight details something similar may occur thereby endangering the flights safety. In view of that possibility airlines should seriously consider whether to accept him and his gang aboard
88 Be serious (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
79 Dover
Look I have no wish to listen to you and Mr Think further self indulge yourselves in kinky senior person sex.....especially at those prices and especially if you and Mr Think are one and the same, as most on here appear to believe.
You really shouldn't take your duty to Argentina to such lengths, nobody else would. Shame about Middleton, wasn't it old boy?
89 ynsere (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
Redpoll @ 83
Yes, but Kicillof was with his wife and two small children. The latter must have been terrified. Poor Argentina. Thieves on the one hand and an easy descent into mob violence on the other. Such is their political norm.
90 ElaineB (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
@87 Boudou was booed off the stage at an event yesterday. Interesting times.
91 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
How boring is Hague .. Timerman was irritating him all these days and the other said nothing .. I expected more action in London ..
92 Be serious (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
Its the correct way to treat a spoilt child like Hector.
93 LEPRecon (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
@78 - Xavierv

Since you are a student of law, you will no doubt know that when Argentina signed the UN Charter, the country became legally bound to follow the rulings of the UN and other UN bodies, such as the International Court of Justice.

So why does Argentina not want to abide by the rules that you promised to do, by signing a legally binding treaty?

Oh that's right. Argentina will only accept ICJ ruling if they are in their favour, and reject them if they are not, claiming some bollocks about sovereignty.

Isn't it fortunate that all the other countries who signed the treaty abide by the rules they promised to? I mean if they didn't the world would be anarchy.

So in your legally minded opinion, what gives Argentina the right to flout international law when no one else is allowed to?

Also, you didn't answer. Just what is Argentina so afraid of the Falkland Islanders that you won't go into the same room as them?

I mean how pathetic is that, 40 million people being scared of 3 thousand? LMFAO

Argentina. Pathetic. Weak. Very WEAK!
94 ChrisR (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
@49 stick up your junta

The Taliban Dating Service: there are some little crackers in here.

95 XAVIERV (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 05:00 pm Report abuse
Timerman will say when and not more? Because we will not change our policy on anything to you .. Again, Hauge That is boring ..
Here's my answer: It's simple, speak with the owner of the circus and the clowns ..
96 redpoll (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 05:14 pm Report abuse
@89 Yes ynsere I agree but it was him who put his wife and kids in that situation
97 brucey-babe (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
Hague did not need to say anything, he`s British ! A more poignant note ; The Falkland Islands should be removed from the Argentinian constitution before any talks commence, (err, to show `good face` of course )
98 ajoknoblauch (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
It's questionable whether a third party belongs in any discussions concerning the Islands. Especially when that third party's name is “Argentina.”
99 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
I love the assumptions by XAVIERV, who like KFC has clearly no knowledge of the law.

The fact is, like any attention seeking behaviour, you should not reinforce it and you should simply ignore it. Hague is doing the right thing, which is to suggest talks on terms acceptable to the UN and respecting the wishes and opinions of the Islanders themselves. Argentina turned down those talks because of their own reasons.

The rest is just noise.
100 axel arg (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
I understand that it's politicly correct for secretary hague, to say that it's right and proper to include the govt. from the islands in a meeting with chancellour timerman, however, the reality of this conflict is much more complicated than his hipocrite and mediocre analysis.
I would like to know if hague's proposal includes the question of the sovereignty, i don't think so.
On the other hand, this is evident that it's still necesary to remind hague, and many hipocrite people in this forum, who emphasize the wishes of the islanders so strongly, that the u. n. has never included the govt. from the islands as a third part, in fact all the resolutions just called arg. and the u. k., to resume the negotiations, and find a peaceful solution, if many of you don't agree with it, sorry but it's irrelevant.
Beside, it's necesary to remind you also that this cause, has always been considered like a special colonial situation. In fact, i recommend you AGAIN, to search in the news archive of this website, what the president from the decolonization committe said about the reasons why self determination is not applicable for this cause, the date is june 16th 2012, i was wrong in my others comments when i typed the date of the note. You can agre or not with what he said, however he is the president from the decolonization and committe, and like it or not, he has much more knowledge than we all, in order to argue the reasons why self determination is not applicable for the population from the islands, accept it or not, the u. k. is not the owner of the international right.
On the other hand, for being honest, i must recognize that i feel so ashamed, every time i hear some of our politicians saying that self determination is not applicable for the islanders, because they aren't an originary population, that argument is stupid, because most us aren't originary populations either, there are much more important reasons to explain why that right is not applicabe for this case.
101 Redrow (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
“How boring is Hague .. Timerman was irritating him all these days and the other said nothing .. I expected more action in London ..”

I suspect that the entire Argentine delegation will be as disappointed as you - their entire itinerary was obviously designed to annoy the hosts & provoke a reaction they could play on. The mistake you made is to assume that every nation gets equally hysterical when provoked.
102 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
@100 your misuse of words is incredible. There is nothing hypocritical nor mediocre about offering talks to someone demanding them, only to be told that the talks aren't on their terms.Your own consititution says that only transfer of full sovereignty to the Argentines is an acceptable outcome of any negotionations, so why not look at your own constraints first.

The only parties the UN asks to discuss this 'decolonisation situation' are the administered territory and the administering territory. Argentine is a third party to any talks on decolonisation and as such doesn't need to be invited. Discussions on sovereignty with the Argentines, called for by the UN, resulted in the Argentines taking the discussions to a military conflict which they lost.

Resumptions of negotiations are an anachronism since you lost the war, and the world has moved on to the Islanders seeking BOT status through free association and eventual independence.

You were invited to talks, and you turned them down because of your own reasons (we care not). Self-determination is fundamental to the UN charter, it's fundamental to decolonisation, and the time the Argentines tried to get it changed to be not-relevant you failed.

So, now you caused a war and turned down talks. You have no second chances, you just have nothing.

Feel ashamed.
103 LEPRecon (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:28 pm Report abuse

I'm glad that you recognise the self-determination of the Islanders. So when they exercise that right in March this year, you will no doubt support their wishes 100%, and stop with all this nonsense regarding some mythical expulsion from a mythical set of Islands, neither of which exist or have ever existed.

Go Falklands for Self-Determination.

Go Falklands for full Independence in the future. But rest assured, whatever you choose the UK will have your back.
104 ynsere (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
Redpoll @ 96

You're right of course. Kisillof could have chartered a Brit jet. But I suspect he was trying to “do a Pepe”, i.e. show he's just a regular guy who suffers BQB like everyone else.
105 Conqueror (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
@48 Ramping up the hate comments, X? Ever compared British armed forces to others? Our army is twice the size of yours, and modern. Our navy is four times the size of yours. Our air force is at least five times the size of yours. And then there's the game changer. Four ballistic missile submarines. All armed. NOW!
@57 How perspicacious of them!
@71 Can't get down to your level yet!
@76 There will be NO talks on sovereignty. Not now, not ever!
@78 Your little cesspit doesn't dare go to the ICJ. We've offered a number of times. Why have you always refused?
@79 Don't be silly. I we wanted someone to “do their duty”, we'd pick a man!
@95 Won't be talking to you then!
106 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
Red row.
Silence is sometimes deafening, especially when something is so ludicrous it needs no dignifying with a reply.
Equadors leader saw it as a great opportunity to put himself on the political world stage and gain cudos amongst is peers, taking on the Brits.
Following a very ill convieved start, no compromise followed by little further comment, was the tactic and it seems to have worked, taking the wind out of the Equadorians sails.
107 Richfe (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse

UN GA Resolution 1514 is extraordinarily clear: “All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.”

UNGA 2065 is quite blunt in itself that the interests of the Falkland Islanders have to be taken into account. How can that possibly be done without talking to their elected representatives?

As recently as 2008 this was reaffirmed by the 4th quote directly:

“By the terms of the amended resolution, the Assembly would further reaffirm that, in the process of decolonization, there was no alternative to the principle of self-determination, which was also a fundamental human right.”

To add to that Ban Ki Moon himself further reinforced the fact that the UK is behaving entirely properly in regards to the Falkland Islands...

It doesn't matter how much you squirm these are the facts.

I'm glad that you agree your politicians are shameful in trying to undermine the rights of the Falklands Islands...but just leave it there. Treat others as you would be treated and respect the rights of the Falklanders as laid out in the UN Charter.
108 St.John (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
Talk about shooting oneself in the foot.

Even in Denmark, where hardly anyone has heard about the Falkland Islands except for the war in 1982, Timerman's refusal hits the headlines:

(Translated headline) ”Argentina refuses to negotiate (sit at the same table) as the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands”.

Timerman's refusal to meet the islanders is not exactly supportive of Argentina's reputation in the rest of the world.
109 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
We remain concerned about the Argentine government’s behaviour

Apparently mr tin man will visit parliament just before prime ministers question time, and ask mr Cameron to move over,
So he can talk and address parliament,
After spending an hour telling MPs argentina demands the Falklands, and demands MPs give them to CFK , he will then depart to the canteen, pub , then arrive at the palace, addressing argentine supporters from thee palace balcony,

Then home for bed,
The rest of the week he will be addressing the BBC News and all other news desks,
Will visit Portsmouth and address the navy, and be flown first class to visit RAF, Bases,
And one last address of Britain, before he is given a royal send of back to Argentina,


Well stop bloody treating them like decent foreign diplomats MR CAMARON ,
And throw them out.
And stop pandering to them.
That’s how wars start,/

Just my opinion..

110 red (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
“argentine goverment behavior” uuuuuuuuuuujajaja!
the brits are scared!
111 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
He will not be invited into the main chamber of the house. Probably get the same tour given to all tourists.

He has certainly not been invited to address the house, that is reserved for real world statesmen.
112 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
house of lods perhaps lol.

you talk, but we no hear you, louder please,
113 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:15 pm Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHA, talk about stupid choice of country.

So tell me, when will Denmark allow the Greenlanders to sit down, at any table?????
114 LEPRecon (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
@109 - Briton

But don't you see? The UK doesn't need to do anything, Timmidman is managing that all by himself.

By not dignifying Timmidman and his boss, the screeching harpy, with a response, sends them into a paroxysm of anger, because they can't stand being ignored.

The old saying is quite apt here: If you give them enough rope, they'll hang themselves by it.

So this is what the international community sees.

1. Argentine ministers getting all excited and shouting and posturing.
2. The UK ministers acting calm, quietly and politely.
3. Argentine ministers getting even more excited, and angry because the British didn't respond in the way that they wanted too (so they could play the victim), and shout even louder and make preposterous allegations, that are so obviously lies it beggars belief that an 'official' from a country would make them.
4. The UK politely restates its position as being in line with the UN charter etc...
5. The Argentine minister starts shouting again, and starts telling even bigger lies, especially about the UN.
6. The International community realise that Argentina is run by basket cases, and realises that there is no way in hell that they should ever be allowed anywhere near the Falklands.
7. In the meantime, in the FCO, William Hague sips at his well deserved cup of tea. Job done, with minimal expenditure from the UK.

It's all very clever and subtle. The Argentines don't do subtle, so it goes completely over their heads.

The rest of the world sits back and admires the way the UK handles its foreign policy.
115 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
you know,
I wonder what it would be like, to be a fly on CFKs wall,
Every time the British government politely and quietly says no thanks.
116 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:24 pm Report abuse

That reminds me of the UK, US, EU, IMF, WB, Mercosur, Japan, China vs Argentina spat over imports.

Argentina quietly just does her own thing, setting rules and regulations as a sovereign state... the rest of you scream, shout, and cry over the rules. No one i forcing you to export to Argentina, nor to buy our products.

So when Argentina goes for 10 years ignoring you all over the debt and over trade practices, then Brazil goes on a fit and for no reason bans fruits like sore losers, UK goes on an embarrasing rant at the G20 over Argentina, the USA pathetically tries to make noise with some childish and insignificant sanctions like a pouting child, Spain, Germany, and Italy block some transaction in a publicly embarrasing fashion to grab attention.

Meanwhile, Argentina just keeps not doing anything that is being demanded of it by the cry babies, and just keeps on quietly paying whom it wants to pay, and allowing or banning any products it wants. Marvelous.
117 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
They get very frustrated when we say things,
Politely or not so politely, they grab everything British they can,

I think, deep down CFK begrudgetly admires the British,

And surely regrets, that no matter how much she tries,
She can and will never emulate the great British society.
116 Nostrolldamus the
A nice dream,
If only old chap,,,if only lol.

118 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:27 pm Report abuse

No dream, can't refute it can't you. Oh well, keep trying. lol

ps- IMF too, with all these special meetings about Argentina... and?

Nothing. Ten years and the entire world has managed, nothing.
119 redpoll (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
Redrow. We should be honoured. Sussie alias Madame Redpissov has adopted our names as another of her aliases. But not quite sure I appreciate the honour ....
120 Pugol-H (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
@113 Nostrolldamus the 8th
The Danes would not dream of having any discussions about Greenland, without the Greenlanders being present.
121 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
One thing we Brits are certainly not and that is scared of you.

Where have yo been hiding for the last thirty years?

Cry babies, shit! just what have you been doing every chance you get! by you I mean your country, to all and sundry you can get to listen to you. Fastest growing industry in your country, paper tissue production.

I take it you have heard of the Mythical Malvinas? you keep begging to given to you.
122 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:36 pm Report abuse

The Greenlanders have wanted independences for decades, and Denmark like all good European societies, have denied them self-determination. Same with the UK and Chagos, Spain and Ceuta, France and French Guiana, etc, etc.

Bunch of human rights violators, TODAY, European nations (not 40 years ago so don't even bother bringing that one up).
123 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
118 Nostrolldamus

Perhaps we spoil you guys to much,
Yes that’s it, we spoil you to much,

You could always give it all
124 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
Love the way you tag on these others, so transparent, if it was not for your mythical Malvinas claim, you would not give a shit about them, your false conern is pathetic. They are just an excuse for what you see as a means, to your unachievable ends.
125 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:49 pm Report abuse

Can't deny what I just said huh?

European tossers.
126 andy65 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus DEAR DEAR you really should not talk about hunan rights violations when living in a country like Argentina and even more so when ruled over by a peronist governmant I mean with all the unhappiness with your people against old Crissy the botox Queen I am certain the death flights will be starting any day soon,as you know Crissy's policy is always HER WAY OR NO WAY, AM I RIGHT??
127 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
Spain and Ceuta, France and French Guiana, etc, etc

Be honest now,,

Why is Argentina not on that list,

Would it be because you have no overseas territories?

So that’s why CFK wants an empire then .lol.
[][][ European tossers [][][
why just European, do you lot do it differently perhaps lol.
128 Pugol-H (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
@122 Nostrolldamus the 8th
You’re just making thing up to suit yourself now Tobias.

The Danes have encouraged the Greenlanders towards independence, the problem is their reliance on subsidies from Denmark.

The plan is to develop the economy through natural resources and reduce the dependency on subsidies, and go on to full independence.
129 andy65 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus Keep your eyes on TV there is a HUGE demonstration planned for Timerman tomorrow by Jews in London, apparently they do not understand how a Jew can kiss the ass of a Nazi named Kirchner and how a Jew can sell his soul to a terrorist Islamic state like IRAN what do you think?? are you ashamed?? YOU SHOULD BE.
130 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:56 pm Report abuse

Why would be emulous of the behavior of the lowest nations that have ever existed in terms of respecting other cultures?

To wish to have colonies in other continents is for turpitudinal societies.
131 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
After all,
To be fair,
If the Falklands was an independent country,

You Argies would be scrounging of them every other day,

They would almost certainly be supporting you lot within 3 years.
132 andy65 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the, Strange The Chileans on The Islands don't want Argentina also, wonder why that is??? I mean close neighbours speaking the same language but NO they just don't seem to like you.
133 Think (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
(79) Mr.McDod

You say:
”I question Sr Think's suitability to represent UK.............”

I say:
I think, all (2) of my OBE’s acquaintances would fully concord with you about my unsuitability to represent the UK.
It wouldn't be Cricket....
134 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
If they were an independent country and Argentina invaded, I would support a Kuwait-like operation to drive us out.

Unlike you, I have morals, and I have standards I uphold when it suits me or not.

That is not something I expect European to understand, ever. Ask the natives of all other continents how much you respected the treaties signed with them.
135 andy65 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the LOL morals and your a friend of MAXIMO don't make me laugh
136 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:03 pm Report abuse

You are in love with a fat boy, aren't you? Typical british fantasies, how awful.
137 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
130 Nostrolldamus
To wish to have colonies in other continents is for turpitudinal societies
[ in your own words]

So what would you call the Falklands and south Georgia then.
If Argentina got there hands on them.

you just said //If they were an independent country and Argentina invaded you would kick them out,
are you saying that argentina would not invade the falklands,
Unlike you, I have morals, and I have standards I uphold when it suits me or not.
not so high as to respect the rights of the is;anders then...
Ask the natives of all other continents how much you respected the treaties signed with them
and what about all the native inhabitents of argentina,
after all, if you truly respected them, and you had true morals, no argentinians would be there would you, just the natives mmm
138 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
@134 You cannot have morality and be argentinian. You have to choose one or the other.

They were a semi-autonomous proto-state and argentina invaded, and a Kuwait-like operation drove you out (after you sank our helicopters).
139 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
Deny what! that you as an Argentine have the arrogance to think that you have the right, to decide, direct and speak for the populations of other countries in the world. No I certainly do not deny that, why would I? you consistently demonstrate it for all to see,
140 andy65 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the, Nossy I have a member of staff who is Argentine she tells people she is Spanish out of embarrasment LOL now take a look here remember when you told me about that club you go to when your in B.A are you sure the picture (2nd down) is really Crissy because to me she looks much younger and fresh looking in that photo
141 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:09 pm Report abuse

They were a neglected, rusting colony. Wrong. Try again, the war was awful for the inhabitants but no one denies it actually made the UK grow a shread of moral concern for them.


Deny that European nations broke 99% of treaties signed with the natives of other continents. What morality can you ever have then, “Europe” and turpitude are either collocated terms or a pleonasm.
142 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
Deny that European nations broke 99% of treaties signed with the natives of other continents.
well to be fair here,
you would have to produce all these treaties, so we could look at them all,
143 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
'Hague is declared “open” to a meeting in London with Timerman - LONDON - The British Foreign Minister, William Hague, said Monday following “open” to a meeting with his Argentine counterpart Hector Timerman to discuss the Malvinas, but conditioned again encounter the presence of representatives of the islands.
”For Mr. Timerman, the offer of a meeting is still open, but of course in any discussion of the people of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas British name) is very important that these are present,“ Hague said in a press conference London jointly with Brazilian Foreign Minister Antonio Patriota.
Hague and Patriota, whose countries have opposing views regarding the disputed South Atlantic archipelago, addressed the issue during the inaugural meeting of the new strategic dialogue between the United Kingdom and Brazil decided during the visit of the president of the South American giant made to London coincide with the opening of the Olympic Games.
”We have long-established positions in our country over the Falkland Islands, and we have seen again today,” said Hague, whose country supports the right of self-determination of the people of this territory under British control since 1833.
Meanwhile Patriota said Brazil, like the rest of Mercosur, the South American countries and the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), ”supports the sovereignty of Argentina and dialogue between Argentina and the UK under the auspices of the United Nations ....'
144 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
Whoa, Thesaurus man is back!

There were not 99%, he's just using is latest diagnosatic method, mathematics! he's rounding them up.
145 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
do he no what one and one is.
146 GFace (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
@144, yes the sick little sociopath who in a pathetic fit of whataboutery called Saddam Hussein a victim.
147 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
William Hague has played an absolute blinder.

To be fair, Laughing boy Timerman was going to be f**ked no matter which way he turned.

If he had chosen to meet the FIG and WH at the Foreign Office he would have got his ass handed to him on a plate.

As it is, I suppose, he has chosen the lesser of two evils and has instead, made himself to look like the fool that he is and has embarrassed himself and his country as well........

sssshhhhh!!!! If you listen very hard, you can almost hear them laughing in Port Stanley from here......

He could be up for “Fail of the week” at this rate.

Hector Timerman, bringing the comedy back into politics......
148 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
Who said politics was boring? this is positively entertaining.
149 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
134 Tito The Clown Troll

“Unlike you, I have morals, and I have standards I uphold when it suits me or not”.

Your lies show you up.......schoolboy.

Does mummy and daddy know what you are up to on the internet?
150 Islander1 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
Axel- you seem a bit confused- you say it is silly and wrong of |Timmerman to refuse us the rights to be involved an discussions that affect us - yet in the same page you say we are not entitled and do not have those democratic rights?

Do we? - or de we NOT? - which is it please.

Is/Wouyld sov be on the Agenda - No- silly - we have stated quite clearly time and time again that we have no wish to change- as will be shown again next month - and UK, as a Democracy that is NOT Colonialistic nor Imperialistic any more - says they support our right to choose our destiny.

As for the UN - check facts please - Elected Islander Councillors were regular negotiation team members at various Sov talks with Argentina at the UN and elsewhere pre 1982 invasion.

Sov Talks - you never answered a question I asked you before- ”You have a violent madman(woman) charging around your street, claiming your house off you and threatening the neighbours unless they side with him/her”.
Would you:
a - go outside and offer to sit down and talk about who owns your home


b - call the Police.

Which would you do?
151 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
Argentines don't seem to care about word meaning. Their definitions are all shot. They call people pirates, vultures, etc and yet they seem to mix up what is colonial and what is democratic.

To them, democratic things like referenda are illegal simply if Argentina says it is.
152 andy65 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
Timerman as just been seen entering The Travelodge at London Tower Bridge.
Must be on a budget.
153 ChrisR (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
Pity they didn't put the bastard IN The Tower.
154 andy65 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
There's time it's only his first day, love to know how he got here seeing that BA are only airline flying direct
155 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
@129 Andy65

“ there is a HUGE demonstration planned for Timerman tomorrow by Jews in London, apparently they do not understand how a Jew can kiss the ass of a Nazi named Kirchner and how a Jew can sell his soul to a terrorist Islamic state like IRAN”

“Nazi, schmatzi”, says Hector Timerman.

(apologies to T. Lehrer and W. Von Braun)
156 GFace (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
@147, well you might as well compliment Hague for flossing (though, being british, that would be a sight! :) What he did was plain baseline reasonable conduct for a foreign secretary, especially an British one. It was a British PM who was notorious for holding up a piece of paper saying “peace in our time” as Chamberlain & Daladier stuck it to the Czechs. No self-respecting head of state ANYWHERE, and that includes Argentina would ever be caught dead doing such a revolting and immoral thing again -- which is why Argentina and her cronies, be they married by shotgun geography or by childish and superficial south vs north prejudices, continue to look incredibly bad to people outside of their bubble with their insistence on having a second Munich agreement with the Falklands standing in for Czechoslovakia.
157 Anbar (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
“”“”Argentina quietly just does her own thing, setting rules and regulations as a sovereign state... the rest of you scream, shout, and cry over the rules“”“”

Infamy Infamy, you've all got it infamy!

/em rolls eyes

When trying to prove a point is it a sign of intelligence to use long words that few understand or short words that everybody can?

Of course, that rests on the foundation that the point has any merit in the first place and that “understanding” is even desired...some people just like the sound of their own voice (which, often for such, is a very good thing as nobody else is really listening!)
158 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
'British Foreign Minister will meet reiterated that if they participate kelpers Timerman - “If you want to talk about the islands, we can not do without their representatives,” the office said in Hague, the Argentine minister insisted that only meet “alone”'
159 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
hague: You are corrupt! uk is FINISHED! MALVINAS ARGENTINAS! DOwn with the brits PIRATES!
160 GFace (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
@159, Sudentenland is German!!! Poland and Denmark will be ours! Do you tone-deaf people EVER get it?
161 The Cestrian (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:57 pm Report abuse

Meh, drinking again son?
162 Clyde15 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
Go and change your diaper sonny, I can smell the caca from here. Or it could be coming from your mouth. Same difference !
163 andy65 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:17 pm Report abuse
@Malvinero1, UK is finished??? Was it not Argentina who as just been censored by the IMF (first counrty do be so by the way) and is it not Argentina fighting tooth and nail with Bondholders??? Is it not Argentine assets that can not be moved beyond your borders due to fear of being inpounded due to none payment of debts??? Is it not Hector (THE RAT) Timerman that flew with The great BRITISH AIRWAYS to London because Aerolines Argentines is limited to flying long distance due to not being able to secure terms for fuel due to fear of none payment???? NOW does that not sound like Argentine that standing on the edge of that fiscal cliff ALMOST FINISHED????? pufffff there she goes over the cliff finished.
164 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:17 pm Report abuse
#159 What have you got against us pirates Jim Lad? Shiver me timbers you are setting yourself up for the black spot! Another word and I'll set Polly on yer.. ya scurvey swab!. MALVINAS BOO HOO..... Waaaaaa.... It's another Malvanista Jim, but not as we know it?
165 redpoll (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:18 pm Report abuse
Interesting scenario
Castro to FCO “We cant get a flight home for our Foriegn Minister”
“FCO ”Delighted to arrange a free flight for your minister home“
”When and where does it depart from?“
”Brize Norton“
”Doesnt that flight go to the Malvinas?“
”Yes madam though we call it the Falklands here. He says its his home terretory so there should be no problem“
”Can you arrange an onward flight to the mainland?“
”Sorry madam that happens only once a month“
”Can you arrange accomodation for our delegation for the overstay?“
”I doubt it madam ambasadress as pesos arent acceptable in the Falklands but we can arrange accomodation at the British base at Mount Pleasant at our expense“
”No flight for a month? Cant you send him home by ship?“
”We would be delighted to do so madam, but there is a law of your country which doesnt allow our ships to dock in your country”
Alicia (off mike) “Oh f#ck”
166 Gustbury (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:26 am Report abuse
“Right and proper”??ahahahaha,an illegal government and looter and ungrateful to the over Argentina!?? please man ,your business will soon be over!!!
167 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:58 am Report abuse
Nothing in the UK media again. Think he should chain himself to the railings outside the Falkland Islands Ofiices.
168 LEPRecon (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:37 am Report abuse
@166 - Gustbury

The Argentine government has just told the world that it doesn't believe in human rights and is refusing to abide by the UN Charter. Just because your Nazi leadership say the Falkland Islanders have no rights doesn't make it so. The rest of the world abides by the treaty they signed. Argentina, as usual, wants everything their own way. All the benefits but none of the responisbility.

Your hysterical post just goes to show that you have no valid argument, just like Argentina has no valid sovereignty claim.

But as your governments rhetoric increases, the worse conditions are in Argentina.

You can lie to yourselves that it isn't happening and put your head in the sand, but eventually the incompetence of the government will destroy Argentina.

Gustbury. People like you are what is wrong with Argentina. Never accepting responisbility for anything. Never accepting reality.

Soon you'll forget about the Falklands when your trying to survive day to day, while your country implodes around you.
169 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:48 am Report abuse
@166 You started a war and lost it, leaving huge numbers of illegal landmines that you failed to clean up. Now you revise history to forget the war ever happened, and if it did happen, you think you won.

That's the sort of nonsense you people insist on peddling, and in response you get ignored.

Get over it.
170 DanyBerger (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:44 am Report abuse
UK energy crisis buy candles please would you guys?
171 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:15 am Report abuse
What a bungalow!
172 Clyde15 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:40 am Report abuse
The power is still on here Dany, how about BA ?
173 DanyBerger (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:56 am Report abuse
Fine thanks how do you think I'm able to use my PC without power?
174 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
BA operates on AC current. Its on, its off, its on, its off, its on, its off, its on, its off, its on, its off. You get the picture.
175 Leiard (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
with all your bullshit
176 Clyde15 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
Batteries,back up then send when main power comes on again. Simples !
177 LEPRecon (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
@173 - Dany

Poor attempt to divert.

The Falkand Islanders are the only ones who will decide the sovereignty of the Islands. Not the UK and certainly not Argentina.

How does that make you feel, Dany? Angry? Frustrated? Weak? Small? Pathetic?

Perhaps you should go back to La Campora HQ for some moral raising propaganda. There you can look on a picture of Uncle Adolf with adoration.
178 DanyBerger (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
“How does that make you feel, Dany? Angry? Frustrated? Weak? Small? Pathetic?”

Really... nothing and you?

But we both know that that is not true...

How that make you feel? impotent, retarded, angry, stupid, powerless, etc.

Tell us please...
179 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
“How that make you feel? impotent, retarded, angry, stupid, powerless, etc.”

Christ, he's described himself and Titman in one sentece. Well done Danny.
180 St.John (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
113 TobiasBigNostrils

Your nonsense hows that you know nothing about Greenland, which is a selfgoverning territory with its own flag. Greenland's government (selvstyret) and parliament (Inatsisartut) are involved in any and all issues concerning Greenland.

E.g. after a plebiscite in 1982 the Greenlanders decided to leave the EEC (now EU), while Denmark is still a member. They have also decided that their own language (Kalaallisut) is the only official language on the island.

25 November 2008 a plebiscite in Greenland the islanders decided to extend of their self-government.

The Danish government retains control of foreign affairs, national defence, the police force, and the justice system. It also retains control of monetary policy, providing an initial annual subsidy of DKK 3.4 billion.

I chose Denmark because that's where I live and the Danes usually never give the Falklands dispute one single thought - now peoples' eyes have been opened to the fact that Argentina doesn't respect the UN charter.
181 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
Hague having a meeting 'alone' with Timmerman would be like having the hotel staff seeing you admitting a prostituite to your room.
It just looks bad and Timmerman could make all sorts of claims about unseemly behaviour and associated payments.
182 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
And why should they, it is after all a dispute raised by Argentina against the Falkland Islands, with the intention of changing their entire way of life.

However the Positively Orwellian assertion, that some people have less human rights than others, or for that matter, that they do not even exist has a people, is something that should concern all peoples who value justice and freedom.

What is even more concerning that it comes from a member of the UN and a member who who consistently quotes that organisation resolutions as justification for that view.

Positively mind blowing stupidity, not a very polite word, but appropriate given the circumstances.
183 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
Does anyone know a place that has 10 to 100 military men for every 1 civilian?

Islands Malvinas Argentina and Antarctica, not North Korea, sorry USA! But wrong again.
184 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
Mr Timmerman, now appoints himself the spokesman for the entire world, the entire world replies off, speak for yourself.

Who cares how many are stationed there, as long as it's enough to kick the shit out of you AGAIN.
185 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
#184 that's why we Argentine support a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina to cool off UK's colonist expansionist agenda in Islas Malvinas Argentina.
186 Clyde15 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
Found anything new to say ? When can we expect this non-existent 100% made in Argentina nuclear weapon .

Can Timerman count? CANADA for one supports UK's right to allow the Falklands to govern themselves.
This must be embarrassing for you since you are hiding in an underground bunker in CANADA , shit scared in case the Mounties get you and shit scared to go to Argentina -Why ?
187 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
And all because they cant have the falklands,

they cry and throw everything they can.
188 Pete Bog (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:19 am Report abuse
“Does anyone know a place that has 10 to 100 military men for every 1 civilian?”

Who's fault is that?

What was the ratio before your Nazis invaded in 1982?
189 row82 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
Please support this page - Falklands Forever British - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the lunacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and winding up their Internet trolls -
190 axel arg (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
I understand that for many of you, the invasion ordered by the criminal junta that roled arg. in 1982, is the best excuse to reject the negotiations with arg., however, like it or not, after those terrible events, the u. n has always continued calling just arg., and the u. k., to resume the negotiations, in order to find a peaceful solution. Accept it or not, the u. k. is not the owner of the international right.
U. k's monolitic excuse, respecting emphasizing the will of the islanders, to resume the negotiations with arg., is just colonial hipocresy, due to the u. k., arg., and all the rest of the countries know perfectly that the govt. from the islands has never been included as a third part in this dispute, beside, if you get into the website of the u. n., you won't find any resolution which says: application of the right to self determination for the population from the malvinas-falkland islands, like there are for others colonial situations.
On the other hand, if the u. n., has never asked the u. k. to return the islands to arg., it's because in some way, the wishes of the islanders must be taken into account also, in order to find a solution for this conflict, that's why i have always expressed that their wihes, and our sovereign claim must be taken into account to find a solution.
Our constitution can san say whatever, however, if the u. n. has never asked the u. k. to return the islands to arg., although the u. k. decides to resume the negotiations with our country, and the islanders manifest that they want to remain under british govt., arg. won't be able to force them to accept our sovereignty only, but it doesen't mean that both countries can't find a solution that satisfies the three govts., like a shared administration of the archipelago.
On the other hand, i have no idea about why our govt. hasen't answered yet some of the proposals of th govt. from the islands.
191 ynsere (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
axel arg @ 190
Axel, I have no doubt you're a decent fellow. as are most of the Argentines I know. However, you must realise that the Falklanders know very well that Argentina's promises are worth nothing. I'm afraid you have zero credibility.
192 DanyBerger (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:21 am Report abuse
Now what is the next step when a country like UK refuses to talk, refuses to obey international resolutions and provides gestures of violence and military shows?

There are justify wars against evil nations like UK that doesn't want to behave according with western rules?

Any thought?
193 ChrisR (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 11:16 am Report abuse
@192 Fake Dunny-Burger

So you are advocating a war AGAIN, against the islands.

With what, ships lying on their sides or with their electrical systems burnt out?

You have no military!

(In malvanista mode now) Argentina IS FINISHED YA YA YA YA YA YA (ARE THEY ENOUGH YA'S?)

Ha, ha.
194 Monty69 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
190 axel arg

Still waiting for you to provide a resolution that specifically applies the right to self determination to any of the other Overseas Territories. Where? Where does it say that Pitcairn Island has the right to self- determination?

Why don't you have a closer look at the C24 pages. You will find the Falkland Islands counted amongst the 16 territories yet to exercise their right to become de- colonised.
195 ynsere (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 02:22 pm Report abuse
ChrisR @ 193
I dismisssed this person months ago, and have never since reacted to anything he/she posts. Firstly because it's a waste of time, and secondly because he/she may well be paid extra when there is a reaction to his/her posts.
196 axel arg (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
You don't need to believe what i say, just get into the website of the u. n., and you'll see that what i say about the lack of resolutions which invoke the right to self determination for the population from the islands is true, beside, you'll see that it's applied for others populations, who live in territories considered like non-self governing territories.
Respecting pitcarin, and all the rest of the overseas territories, i can't say anything, because i have never investigated about them, i just know that self determination was invoked for different cases, but never for the malvinas-falkland cause.
197 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
Please support this page honouring all those who helped liberate the Falklands in 1982 and dedicated to keeping the islands liberated and free of Argentine colonialism.
198 Terence Hill (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 10:19 am Report abuse
183 Pirat-Hunter

If your country Knew how to behave there would be no need for hall-monitors.

192 DanyBerger

But the UK is and has always been in compliance with international law.

196 axel arg

This is the most pertinent legal view on the question of the sovereignty and the Islanders right to self-detrmination that I have found.

ICJ judge, Dame Rosalyn Higgins, wrote: “Attractive an aphorism though [self-determination] is, it still has to be said that the territorial issue does come first. Until it is determined where territorial sovereignty lies, it is impossible to see if the inhabitants have a right to self- determination” (Dame Rosalyn Higgins, Problems and Process - International Law and How We Use It, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1994)

The British jurist Rosalyn Higgins arrived at a similar conclusion when she pointed out: “No tribunal could tell her [Argentina] that she has to accept British title because she has acquiesced to it But what the protests do not do is to defeat the British title, which was built up in other ways through Argentinas acquiescence.80” There was therefore little doubt that Britain acquired title to the Falklands by extinctive prescription. In other words, it was in this mode that the strength of the British claims resided.
80. Rosalyn Higgins, ”Falklands and the Law,” Observer, 2 May 1982.
The Falkland War : Britain versus the past...Daniel K, Gibran.
199 DanyBerger (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
So another good invasion will resolve the problem yeah!

I know it...
200 Terence Hill (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
Invasions have been illegal since 1919 under international law, and still are under the UN Charter. So that is a none-starter, although that didn't stop Argentina in 1982 did it.
201 ChrisR (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
I do love it when the argie trolls threaten yet another invasion.

With what and by whom? No equipment of a modern nature and less than 100,000 military personnel (are these INDEC figures).

It must be so frustrating to have had the shit kicked out of them in 1982, only to realise they have no chance to do anything about it other than bullshit.

202 Clyde15 (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
Of course, you will be leading the charge along with PH
Your rhetoric is exceeding hyperbole !
I suppose it would be one way of reducing Argentinian unemployment. Your body bag industry would be working overtime.
203 axel arg (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
The paragraphes that you dated are very interesting, in fact, i had read them a few years ago.
For all these reasons, i have always thought that the case should be taken to the i. c. j., but for being honest, i hav always thought also that if neather the u. k., nor arg. propose to take the case to that institution, is because perhaps both aren't sure of getting a good outcome.
Between 1885 and 1888, arg. suggested the u. k. to take the question to the arbitration, which was rejected by the u. k., and in 1947, the u. k. manifested arg. that it would be disposed to take question of the south georgia and sandwich to the i. c. j., however, it didn't include the malvinas-falkland islands in the proposal.
All thes facts show that th case ha strong and weak aspects for both nations.
204 DanyBerger (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
Boys don't worry would be a good excuse to test new weapons and if the +-15mts works fine.

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