Monday, February 4th 2013 - 05:09 UTC

Timerman begins ‘Malvinas week’ in London but no meeting with Hague included

Argentine Foreign minister Hector Timerman begins Monday a busy ‘Malvinas’ week in London with meetings scheduled in Parliament and later at the embassy with representatives from 18 different European groups that support UK/Argentina dialogue on the Falklands’ sovereignty

The Argentine minister will meet British MPs and European personalities from 18 groups that support UK/Argentina dialogue on the Falklands

The official agenda announced Sunday in Buenos Aires however does not mention any meeting of Timerman with Foreign Secretary William Hague following last week’ ongoing controversy over Argentina’s rejection to any participation of the Falklands elected representatives in any talks between the two ministers in which the issue was raised.

The official agenda thus denied Timerman’s statements in an interview published on Sunday in the government funded newspaper Pagina 12 in which he does ‘not discard the possibility’ of a meeting with Hague as long as “no conditions or ultimatums” are involved regarding the ‘bilateral dialogue’ on the Malvinas question.

Last Friday and Saturday the Foreign Office insisted Argentina was informed well in advance of the invitation to the Falklands’ representatives but Timerman denies any such anticipation and thus his last minute desistance from holding a meeting with Hague if it was not ‘bilateral’.

Timerman busy round begins Tuesday Feb 5 at Parliament building with a meeting of the UK/Argentine parliamentarian multiparty group, which includes among other issues a conference on the Malvinas history, Argentina’s longstanding rights to the Islands and the non-applicability of the right to self determination for the people of the Falklands, points out the official agenda.

According to Malvinas’ history calendar, Argentina this year remembers the 180th. Anniversary of the ‘British usurpation’ of the Islands, when allegedly Argentine settlers were forcibly removed marking the beginning of UK occupation that lasts until now with the sole exception of the 74 days in 1982 when Argentine forces invaded the Falklands.

The delegation of Timerman includes the presidents of the Senate and Lower House Foreign affairs committees, Senator Daniel Filmus plus Deputy Guillermo Carmona and Argentine petitioners before the UN C24 Decolonization committee, Alejandro Betts and Marcelo Vernet.

The following day, Wednesday at the official residence of the Argentine embassy, Ambassador Alicia Castro will host the 18 European groups which support dialogue on the Falklands’ sovereignty and is made up of “politicians, academics, writers and journalists from “Germany, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Spain, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Holland, Poland, Portugal, Czech Republic, UK, Romania and Sweden”.

These personalities support and promote dialogue between Argentina and the UK “to resolve in a peaceful and definitive way the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty dispute, following on UN resolutions and reiterated calls from the international community”.

Timerman is also scheduled to visit in London the seat of the International Maritime Organization where he is scheduled to hold a meeting with Koji Sekimizu, the head of IMO.

Last week in a strong letter addressed to Foreign Secretary Hague, Timerman regretted he was denied a bilateral meeting unless it was “supervised by the Malvinas settlers” and underlined that while Argentina keeps to international law the UK insists with ‘colonial rule’.

In later statements Timerman added that “this was the first time” the Foreign Office “has changed its position” regarding the Malvinas question and insists that the UK ‘condition’ surfaced in a letter that took 35 days to reply an original request for a bilateral meeting, dispatched by the Argentine embassy.

According to Timerman the ‘bilateral meeting to talk about bilateral issues” taking advantage of his trip to London in February, was requested on 5 December but “they replied on 10 January, 35 days later”.

The Argentine minister recalled that the UN in 1975 said the Malvinas question “is a bilateral issue that must be resolved by the sovereign governments of Argentina and the UK”.

Finally ‘it is quite strange that the UK should impose conditions on dialogue: who should sit at the table, who has to talk, who doesn’t have to talk. I never came across something like this. I have invited Hague to visit Argentina, where he can see with his own eyes he can meet with me, with whom ever he wishes, that we are a true democracy and I don’t need to be supervised”.

 

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1 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 05:25 am Report abuse
”I have invited Hague to visit Argentina, where he can see with his own eyes he can meet with me, with whom ever he wishes, that we are a true democracy and I don’t need to be supervised”.

Hague answered early today!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmevJzXALpk
2 Frank (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 05:56 am Report abuse
This pap is only for home consumption
Overseas this is the only sort of RG news that makes the papers..... www.watoday.com.au/business/world-business/argentina-censure-cements-outcast-status-20130204-2dtwv.html?

The man is a twat
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/123303/wrong-side-of-history
3 JimLad (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:27 am Report abuse
@ Marcos Alejandro #1

So... Timerman refuses to sit down with Hague and representatives of the Falkland Islands in Britain, but is perfectly happy to meet Hague and FI representatives in Argentina for the exact same talks?!?!

Yeah, that's the sort of logic I've come to expect from you Argentinians.

On another note, these 18 Europeans who support a peaceful solution to the Falklands issue, does that mean they will be equally critical of Argentina's recent actions against the Islanders, or are they specially handpicked by Argentina to help chant 'Las Falklands son Argentinas' while Timerman is in Britain?
4 fill00000 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:27 am Report abuse
KNOB
5 JuanGabriel (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:13 am Report abuse
Time to hold a Falklands week in the British embassy in BA and test this `true democracy' claim
6 Redrow (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:42 am Report abuse
Well this major story isn't on the UK news this morning.
I'm still trying to work out what the diplomatic objective of this visit is. Trying to irritate your hosts is an unusual and some might say risky strategy. I can understand that trying to wind your hosts up in the hope of eliciting an overreaction might play well at home but how does that help anywhere else? And what if your hosts stay calm and polite, then you just look a tool.
7 Boovis (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:43 am Report abuse
I don't get it, he asked for the meeting, Hague accepted, Timerman then said he wasn't coming because he didn't like Hague's mates, then he claimed it was Hague that turned him down...?! Is he completely schizophrenic?!
8 Room101 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:44 am Report abuse
Mr Timerman indicates that he didn't receive sufficient notice from the FO, but wouldn't have accepted it in any case.
I don't know what his agenda is in London, but the others involved will take notice that what Mr Timerman has to say/negotiate should be taken with caution: no one who refuses to talk with all the parties involved in serious matters of international importance has any credibility in any governmental areas.
9 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:48 am
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10 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:51 am Report abuse
The letters probably still in his In Tray. I have to say though that, that excuse is getting pretty old by this time! What was the word he used to describe his Embassy staff,? Efficient was it! Think not.
11 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:06 am Report abuse
“The Argentine minister recalled that the UN in 1975 said the Malvinas question “is a bilateral issue that must be resolved by the sovereign governments of Argentina and the UK”.”

Well, it was resolved in 1982 when Argentina started the War of Aggression and lost. Settled under international law, using the weapon of Argentina's choice.

All settled then.
12 Robert English (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:08 am Report abuse
He neeed's to speak to the Kelps as they live their, ( its their home) to say that their an inplanted pouplattion witch is wrong, but he is to sarced too as he does not want to lose face ( as they have been their the longest).
13 Rufus (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:26 am Report abuse
@1 Marcos:

”that we are a true democracy and I don’t need to be supervised”.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYVO5bUFww0
14 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:27 am Report abuse
Definition of DIPLOMACY
1
: the profession, activity, or skill of managing international relations, typically by a country’s representatives abroad.
2
: skill in handling affairs without arousing hostility : tact
3
:relating to the profession or skill of preserving or creating friendly relationships between countries
15 Xect (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:27 am Report abuse
Essentially his trip is over before it has started, he's only coming to try to regain some credibility in assembling some folk who have an anti-British stance to meet and make another pointless statement that will be forgotten in less than 5 minutes.

He's already shown his hand in that Argentina and himself are trying to deny the human rights of the Falkland's people. So they have defeated themselves before they've even started.

All this nonsense about dialogue and give peace a chance is nothing more than a bunch of lies.
16 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:35 am Report abuse
Typical cowardly behaviour, insult them and threaten them behind their backs, to shit scared to have them in the same room with him and do it f to their face. Get your circus over with, then fuck off back home, chickenshit!

Don't forget to collect your airmiles on your way out. Need them for the next time you travel economy class.
17 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:42 am Report abuse
They really are bring the circus to London

Alejandro Betts, Marcelo Vernet, Cristina's guru Ernesto Laclau and the Guardians own Mr. Gott.
18 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:46 am Report abuse
Ah, bringing in the big guns hey! the Falklands Quisling! Scotland Yard know he's here?
19 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:57 am Report abuse
Plan A backfired.

Do you think Plan B is, antagonise the Brits enough that they boot the embassy and sever Relations, so they can say“Britain not acting in good faith, ignoring UN Resolution”????
20 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:59 am Report abuse
Of course Timerman will be in charge of the clowns and Alicia will be pushing the drinks trolley
21 HansNiesund (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:12 am Report abuse
'‘it is quite strange that the UK should impose conditions on dialogue: who should sit at the table, who has to talk, who doesn’t have to talk. I never came across something like this. ”

I never came across something like this, except when I tried exactly that myself. And then got all huffy and snotty when I didn't get away with it.

And not only that, but yet again they bring Marcelo Luis Vernet, the man who publicly blew the gaff on their claims prior to 1829, and still apparently nobody has noticed.

With self-discrediting ineptitude of this magnitude on display, one hopes that the Anglo-Argentine committee rises to the occasion.
22 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:16 am Report abuse
Meanwhile back at the Argentinian circus in London, In the wings we will have the following.

El Think, the elder statesman - to add his great wisdom.

Tobias, the language specialist - to help with all those translations and difficult words/phrases.

Sussie - for the personal gratification of those attending.

Marcos - for his in depth knowledge of all things pertaining to the UN resolutions and to provide more of his greats links.

puerto argentino - for his great knowledge of pirates

pirate hunter - well he has to be put in charge of security.

DoveOverDover - well Think would lost without him and he knows so much about the workings of the Falklands government and the British FO.
23 falklandlad (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:23 am Report abuse
@5. That would be a good test case of true Argie democracy; lots of pots and pans and heady crap from the CFK hawks. Good idea but unlikley to happen. Even CFK would recognise the potential for an “own” goal on “home” turf!
24 Usurping Pirate (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:30 am Report abuse
Whilst the Argentine media is following the story of this visit very closely , it is worth noting that there is no mention of it today on any UK news channel or in the printed press .
It is certainly not mentioned on any european news channels .
In short CFK and your looney government , no one but yourselves are interested in talks , dialogue , UN resolutions , papal ( or other ) bull , continental shelves or which the birds fly .
The Falklands are British and will remain so , a fact you are secretly quite pleased about , as the British “ militarization ” of the S Atlantic means not only have you got a visible “ enemy ” , but also your fishery protection and ASR / icebreaking cover are provide for free by the “ enemy ” RAF /RN allowing you to let your ships roll over and sink at their moorings , while you either waste the defence budget on “ Football for All” or trouser it yourselves and squirell into foreign bank accounts , which after all , is the real reason for Tinpot's visit.
25 screenname (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:30 am Report abuse
@22 agent999: I wonder how many seats that little lot would really need on the plane.

I know they would need one for DoveOverDover...
26 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:33 am Report abuse
Mr Timerman, what did you reply to the UK's offer for talks.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygF_XJAyzf0
27 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:36 am Report abuse
25 screenname

It would also depend on how many unaccompanied minors are in the group.
28 Musky (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:40 am Report abuse
Dear Brethen, thanks for attending our Malvinas week events here in London,. Firstly, the democratic government of argentina makes the following promises: We promise to ignore the falkland islanders rights and interests - as demonstrated by ignoring them.
We promise not to uphold the UN Charter on human rights - as demonstrated by our public statements.
We promise to make the islanders suffer economically - as demonstrated by our falklands vessel embargo.
We promise to re-write falklands history - as demonstrated by our ignorance of our own history which we teach at our schools.
We promise to colonise the falklands - as we did on the south american continent (though we are not really colonisers - this term does not apply to us by the use of special argentine magic dust).
If you are in favour of the Argentine approach please raise your hand for a quick vote! 1 vote, thanks Alicia!
29 screenname (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:56 am Report abuse
@27 agent999: There is going to have to be at least one adult, to keep an eye on Hector.

@24 Usurping Pirate: That bald midget out of the Austin Powers movies does not get press inches when he comes to the UK, so why would this one? Argentina does not realise that 99.9% of the time the Falklands are not even on the UK public's radar.
30 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:06 am Report abuse
I see some Argentinian commentators have said that Mr. Bean has more creditability than Timerman.
31 Brit Bob (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:15 am Report abuse
Hector Timerman aka Groucho Marks on twitter.com/HTimerman.

Quote: 'I here to educate the world on truth about Argentina and Malvinas.'
32 Idlehands (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:21 am Report abuse
I think that is a spoof acount like the Alicia Castro one. Why would the Argentine FM tweet in English and dedicate the entire account to the “malvinas” ?
33 Gordo1 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:34 am Report abuse
Timerman's schedule in London includes a meeting the British-Argentine Parliamentary Group - an all party group.
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/argentina.htm

From personal experience, I don't believe he will find any “fellow travellers” here - he would be better off just having his meeting with Hague and the two Falklands legislators.
34 Anbar (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:44 am Report abuse
“”“”“”“”“”And not only that, but yet again they bring Marcelo Luis Vernet, the man who publicly blew the gaff on their claims prior to 1829, and still apparently nobody has noticed. “”“”“”“”“”“”

what is the significance of this person?
35 Gordo1 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:57 am Report abuse
I wonder what airline he travelled on. BA or Iberia? It would be the same as travelling on the hired British plane that la Kretina used for her Asian “jolly”!
36 Frank (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:59 am Report abuse
Non news in the UK.... S american news..4th Feb..The Telegraph

South America news »
Argentina pulls out of Falklands talks

Britain said it was “massively disappointed” after Argentina's foreign minister pulled out of a meeting with William Hague next week in protest at an invite to representatives of the Falklands Islanders.
Falklands: Argentina pulls out of talks
Falklands 'belong to Uruguay not Argentina'
Colombia set to decriminalise ecstasy
Brazil nightclub owner 'tried to kill himself'

Titman is a twat
37 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:57 am Report abuse
Calling the islanders “trespassing colonists”?

Saying “William Hague is trying to deceive world, but we have his number” ?

Saying he is going to “debunk lies told by British Government”

Saying that the UK is “militarising the South Atlantic” when everyone knows that Argentina is itching to invade the Falkland Islands once again and bully the inhabitants like they did last time.

Cosying up to Iran!

... and this guy is supposed to be a diplomat?

Ludicrous! What a plonker!

He will never achieve his aims because he has no idea of how to make the progress Argentines want. If he is expecting the UK or the Falkland Islanders to acede he is going about it in a clumsy and belligerent fashion. The 1982 war was a result of Argentine beligerance. It didn't succeed then and it wont succeed now.
Argentina is in an economic mess and by aligning itself with Dictators and the axis of evil it is fast turning itself into a pariah nation that will be ejected from international organizations with attendant loss of influence and the impoverishment of its already impoverished people.

Instead of organizing a Eurotwats conference and making himself and his country an even bigger laughing stock ( impounded flagship and naval ships sinking in harbour due to incompetence )Mr Timerman should turn straight around at Heathrow and scuttle off back where he came from. Of course he is welcome to enjoy being in the worlds greatest city for a few days as long as he pays cash.
38 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:00 pm Report abuse
He'll use American Express.
39 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
“Finally ‘it is quite strange that the UK should impose conditions on dialogue: who should sit at the table, who has to talk, who doesn’t have to talk. I never came across something like this.”

Seriously? The man whose Government has written into its Constitution (the most important practically unbreakable document ever) that the ONLY outcome of negotiations can be full ownership of the Falklands, has the balls to say that WE are choosing the outcome of talks? Un-fucking-believable!
40 The Cestrian (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
Tinhead wont be in London for a week. Looks like one or two days at best. He is meeting with the Indians this week as well in Argentina. More bullshit from RG Land.

www.business-standard.com/generalnews/news/khurshid-to-visit-chile-argentina/119229/
41 HansNiesund (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
@34 Anbar

Marcelo Luis Vernet is a descendant (great or maybe great-great grandson I think) of Falklands Luis Vernet. He is a writer to trade, and part of the Argentine entourage that turns up at the C24.

At the June 2012 meeting of the C24, as part of a delegation of some 90 assorted governors, mayors, trade unionists, and what not, led by CFK and Timerman, Marcelo took an onion from his pocket and gave a highly emotional reading from the diary of his (great-)great-grandmother Mrs Luis Vernet, intended to demonstrate the bucolic existence of the Vernet settlement before the dastaradly Brit pirate usurpers turned up.

One of the passages was this :

'Sunday, 30 August 1829 was a feast day for the village. Maria writes in her diary “Very good Saint Rose of Lima day, so Vernet has decided to take possession today of the islands in the name of the government of Buenos Aires”'.

Ah ha! So if Vernet has only decided to take possession for BA in 1829, then by normal standards of logic, his settlement prior to 1829 obviously can't amount to possession. Moreover, if possession is only taken in 1829, then the purported claim of possession by Jewet in 1820 evidently was not recognised by the Buenos Aires authorities in 1829. And if I'm not mistaken, this also calls into question the validity of uti possedits juris, in that clearly there wasn't much in the way of posseditis going on before 1829.

Historical nit-picking maybe, but the fun part is that nobody in the 90+ delegation seems to have noticed Marcelo blowing a hole in the Argentine case in front of the UN and CFK herself, while his testimony remains available on Argentine government websites, such as e,g, that of the Argentine ambassador to the UN :
www.embajadaabierta.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/vernet.pdf
42 brucey-babe (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
It must be noted that Jacoba Timerman (Hector`s father ) was tortured and imprisoned for promoting `human rights`. Oh how proud ? he would be to see his son now !
43 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
@42 brucey-babe

He would be so proud that his son has set-up a joint truth commission with Iran.
44 ynsere (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:54 pm Report abuse
Keep at it, Timerman. Spend lots of money in the UK. Something good's got to come out of your visit, even if it's just trademen's profits. Hope for your sake you don't run into Conks, though.
45 Anbar (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
@41 thanks for that... it is rather a self-wounding isnt it?
46 Be serious (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
Wouldn't it be awful if some aggrieved party attempted to egg the old slaphead when he arrived at the Embassy?
47 andy65 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
If I was a Jew I would be well shocked as the article rightly points out

“Here we have a Jew courting a regime whose president. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust and who wants to wipe Israel off the map. And Ahmadinejad is a moderate alongside “supreme leader” Ayatollah Ali Khomeini.”
48 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
@41 My favourite part of their entourage is that guy who turned his back on his friends and family, turned traitor to his nation, and all in return for aligning himself with a ruling military junta.

The guy is hilariously bitter now that he's poor and none of his family speak to him and he's got an argentine passport.

He is hilarious to listen to.
49 redpoll (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
@48 You refering to Betts?
50 screenname (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
@45 Anbar:

...and since Vernet senior sought papers from the British to allow his residence on the Falklands, who can we assume he considered had possession prior to Sunday, 30 August 1829? Might I suggest that for 'take possession' you replace 'attempt to steal'
51 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
@50 stealing is seen as 'good' and 'right' in Argentina.

@49 Yes. The traitor himself covered with the dry tears of loneliness from years of regret, hatred and junta support.
52 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
Trying to use the period of 1828-1832 to justify Argentine “ownership” of the islands is an impossible task.

Everywhere you look there are lies and damned lies.

The simplest “truths” are that:

No civilian population was ever expelled
Everytime there was a murder it was an Argentine doing the murdering (Mestevier and Brisbane)
Everytime there was a rape it was an Argentine doing the raping (Mesteviers wife)

Given that between 1828-1832 there were only a couple of dozen inhabitants, and by November 1832 24 inhabitants and 50 militia...Clearly Argentina were militarising the South Atlantic to further their colonial ambitions sic..

Once Britain had established peace 140 years of relative calm followed, ruined only by more Argentine agression and 900 people died.

The pattern is clear:

When Argentina are involved, they either murder and rape each other or peaceful civilians..or start a war leading to massive death tolls.

When Britain is involved, there is order, calm and growing prosperity.

Self-determination...
53 Britworker (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
I can't see any mention of this in any news anywhere other than Argentina, I have even checked the entertainment columns. Be very interesting to hear who this hand picked audience of European Brit haters are?
54 Redrow (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
@53
I suspect it will be like watching the first night of Celebrity Big Brother and wondering “Who is that?” as each new Z-lister gets out of the limo. Remember they would have been invited to the big do BEFORE Mr T then rejected the very talks they were being invited to call for!
55 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
@52 Sure, it's all over the Argentine press, and nowhere to be seen in the press of any other country.

Curious.
56 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 05:39 pm Report abuse
More like skating on thin ice
57 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
Has anyone seen the video of economic-fail Comrade Killicof getting booed and jeered on the ferry from Uruguay where he was spending all his special dollars back to Buenos Aires.

Considering he didn't have any of his La Campora SA Brown shirts to protect him, the Captain had to take him upstairs to the naughty room.

Considering the number of lives he has ruined, it is very funny.
58 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
The more I reflect on his visit, the more I am beginning to think it may be a very good thing. It gives everyone here a a chance to listen to the claims and evidence for them first hand, from the horses mouth so so speak and decide for themself. I am sure the general concensus will be that they are ludicrous and be treated accordingly.

Seems to be a severe lack of common sense being shown by the, for want of a better word, Argentine delegation. Given that sovereignty is not negotiable and that has been the consistent stand of the islanders and through them, HMG. Little compromise, what ever that may entail, will not be achieved, until such time that common sense does return.
59 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
@58 One-sided arguments only convince the simple minded. However, I am hoping the Vernet chap reads yet another passage that proves to the world that the Falklands definitely cannot be Argentine.

That would be a lot of fun.
60 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
Remember the live stream of C24 meeting my computer was playing up and I could not view it, so I had to rely on blow by blow accounts from the guys on here. Honestly the best entertainment I had in an age. Shame we will only get this one second hand, but if it is anything like the C24 fiasco, it is not going to achieve much.
61 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
To late to kick em out,
Thanks mr David lets go abroad Cameron.

But protest they could,
They have no claim ,
And the more credence this government gives em, the more they push,

Or is this another one of them
Conspiracy theory’s
.
62 Gordo1 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
1900 hrs 04/10/2013

ITN and BBC latest TV news have no mention of Timerman's arrival. Internet versions of major newspapers have no mention of his presence in London.

I wonder where he is?
63 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
On a secret mission of discovery,
Looking for a thing called,
[ the truth ] lol.
.
64 red (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
keep the Falk-Slum-Lands in your british arse!
65 redpoll (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
@64 You know the Falklands are the size of Wales A bit difficult to stuff up even your capacious anus. Perhaps you were thinking of whales instead? But hurry. Sperm whales are an endangered species
66 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
Red, scarlet,

we already have the British Falklands,

Perhaps you meant to say,

Keep the argentine -slum-lands in your CFK back side,

Rather rude about your own country,
Oh well, it takes all sorts [even liquorish ones lol..]
67 HansNiesund (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
@62

He's a busy man. He's auditioning for Andy Serkis' stunt double. They've given him a scene where he demands the return of the ring from Sauron, but refuses to attend any meetings if hobbits are present.

It's called cinéma vérité, I believe.
68 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
If I recall, it was Saruman who destroyed The Shire and basically turned it into Argentina, full of Orcs (Argentinians).
69 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
@55 Shed-time

Actually it not as big in the RG press as I expected.
Timerman needs to gain big publicity from this trip or it is a massive failure, that's one reason he has been saying the most ridiculous things about Britain the last few days. He is hoping to provoke a reaction from the UK, politicians, public, press etc. If it doesn't make the news here it won't anywhere else except RG land. It will be a big blow to their colonial ambitions.
70 Gordo1 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
We seek him here, we seek him there! The damned elusive................?
So much for his visit to London - already one day here and what momentous events have occurred? None!
71 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
@69 with that regard, he's already failed.

The FCO seem to be just playing a straight bat to his curve balls, and it's not even newsworthy. The battenburg cake when they stop for tea is more likely to get a slight bit of interest.

Maybe someone might boo him.
72 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
I think he should have liaised with what's is face, Correa, the Ecuadorian miscalculator, before taking the action that he has. The again, something tells me, he probably did!
73 Shed-time (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
@72 Maybe timmerman could have visited gollum at the ecuadorian embassy.

“and we forgot the taste of bread, the sound of trees, the softeness of the breeze... we even forgot our own name” Julian Assange (2014)
74 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
@71 Shed-time

They must have a big name up their sleeves, to go with Richard Gott and the other journalists and groups etc, I think Wednesday they meet.
Their tomorrow plan is as below...
'Chancellor official activity will begin tomorrow with a visit to the International Maritime Organization (IMO), which will be received by the secretary general of the agency, Japan's Koji Sekimizu.
Later visit the Parliament, where he will meet with the Group multiparty Argentina-UK, a legislative body chaired by Robin Walker Conservative supporting relations between the two countries.
During the meeting will also be attended by Presidents of the Commissions of Foreign Affairs Chamber of Senators and Deputies, Daniel Filmus and Guillermo Carmona, respectively.'
75 The Cestrian (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:47 pm Report abuse
Apparently Tinhead is now saying that we took nuclear material to the Falklands in 1982 but dropped it at sea :-)

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/123346/uk-malvinas-meeting-not-ruled-out

Utter incompetent.
76 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:06 pm Report abuse
He must have read this post

newsbiscuit.com/forum/topic.php?id=55525
77 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:41 pm Report abuse
RN ships were armed with nuclear weaponary. It was imperative to get the task force to sea as soon as possible, thus there was not time to off load them.
Most, but not all were off loaded on route to the islands, it was thought that HMS Invincibles were still aboard'

Before you Argentines get all high and mighy, just remember that you started a war with a major member of NATO, what do you think they were armed with, pea shooters.

If you think they jettisoned nuclear weapons into the ocean, your even more barking than you appear to be!
78 GFace (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:31 am Report abuse
@75-77, it just gets worse and worse. This just isn't funny any more. Fascist LaCampora and Malvanistas rhetoric rising, the government getting all “no-rights but for The Reich” AND *NOW* all Coast-to-Coast-AM-y with such whacky conspiracy theories. Is there a drunk tank big enough in the world? Or should AR just be blockaded till they all sober-up and/or pass-out. If the latter I feel badly for poor Simon who will have to turn an entire nation on their sides lest they gag to death when they heave.
79 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:51 am Report abuse
@77 Even worse than that, the Argentines didn't even ratify the 'denuclearisation of latin america and the caribbean treaty' until a long time after the 1982 War of Aggression (I think they ratified it in 1992). So they were completely uncovered by the treaty during the war that they cause. The UK had no option but to cover all its bases during the time of the war and quite rightly did so.

Timmerman is simply playing on people's ignorance, as they do every day with the Argentine masses.
80 DanyBerger (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
Falklands will be under our control within 20 years, says Argentina
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/05/falklands-under-our-control-argentina
81 GFace (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
@80. Oh. The Comments. Guardian Daycare Center Leftie Comments that should be licking it up! Yet even the Guardianistas can't swallow the stupidity. If you've lost the Guardian, you've lost the war you sad little fascists!
82 Musky (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
@80 DB
What drivel. The guy has clearly been sniffing glue. 20 years left of british sovereignty, nonsense, must be printing mistake, probably meant 200 years. If the Falklands left british hands, it would become independent and britain would fight to protect it
180 years of heartache, do me a favour, you guys only started pining for it in 1941.
Britain has no support! What tosh, Britain has broken no laws, abides by the UN convention, Britain will have several countries on her side.
No persuation required... shows what they think of the islanders.

He's desperate and on a loosing streak, I guess it's in the blood.
83 HansNiesund (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
Comical Argie is getting a pasting in the Guardian comments, and no wonder:

“He has refused to meet the foreign secretary, William Hague, after the Foreign Office insisted representatives of the islands also attend. He said Hague's refusal to hold talks bewildered him ........”
84 The Cestrian (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
@82

He is obviously getting nowhere and is reduced to windups. Its fascinating to watch this cretin in action.
85 Tobers (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
Thats all it is - an intended massive wind up.

Imagine if Hague had gone to Buenos Aires and organised a meeting of Pro Falklanders and was deliberately insulting Argentina and CFK right under her nose. CFK and all would be hysterical. The media would be in a frenzy. She would demand they apologise and leave immediately whilst calling them all names under the sun and busing in her trusty vatayon militante and villeros and....

That the UK is tolerating this circus shows the difference right here between the 2 countries.
86 St.John (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
@ 41 HansNiesund

“Sunday, 30 August 1829 ... Vernet has decided to take possession today of the islands in the name of the government of Buenos Aires”

Note that Vernet received his authority during the “Revolutionary Government” of General Juan Galo de Lavalle, who usurped the governorship of Buenos Aires 01 December 1828. Lavalle murdered the incumbent governor of Buenos Aires, Manuel Dorrego on 13 December 1828.

Thus Vernet received his “authority” from the illegal and unconstitutional government of Buenos Aires (Argentina as a state did not exist).
87 HansNiesund (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
@86

Indeed. Vernet is rather a loose nail for them to be hanging their coat on. But what else have they got?
88 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
Falklands will be under our control within 20 years, says Argentina
But more realist
Argentina will come under Falklands control..
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89 Pete Bog (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:32 am Report abuse
@80
“Falklands will be under our control within 20 years, says Argentina”

Along with the Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Atlantis, Never never land, Telly Tubbies land, Middle Earth, Paraguay, Uraguay, Chile, Thomas the Tank Engine's shunting station and the piece of USA you tried to invade in the 19th century.

I say, Patagonia will be independent of Argentina in 20 years time, and trading with an independent Falkland Islands.

My far fetched assumption is more likely than Argentina's typically latino macho boast, which will end up with all Argentine arrogant macho boasts-defeat, a white flag, and exactly the opposite occurring.
90 DanyBerger (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:01 am
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91 row82 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
Please support this page - Falklands Forever British - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the lunacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and winding up their Internet trolls - www.facebook.com/truthfk
92 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
Please support this page honouring all those who helped liberate the Falklands in 1982 and dedicated to keeping the islands liberated and free of Argentine colonialism.

www.facebook.com/HonourRestored

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