Monday, February 4th 2013 - 22:05 UTC

Timerman in London insists in meeting Hague, ‘the two alone’ without Falklands’ representatives

Foreign minister Hector Timerman is in London and has reiterated his request and willingness to hold a bilateral meeting with Foreign Secretary William Hague, “the two alone, to address numerous issues of the bilateral and multilateral agenda”, says a letter from Argentine Ambassador Alicia Castro dated February 4 addressed to the Foreign Office and made public in Buenos Aires.

Ambassador Castro addressed the brief request to the Foreign Office

The brief one paragraph letter adds that Minister Timerman will be staying in London until February 6, and his request and willingness to hold a meeting with Foreign Secretary Hague is as informed in the letters sent to the FCO on January 29 and 31.

Timerman arrived in London for a ‘Malvinas week’ activity to put forward Argentina’s case before the Argentine/UK multiparty parliamentarian group in Westminster and on Wednesday at the Argentine embassy will hold a meeting with 18 European Union groups that support the resumption of Falklands’ sovereignty discussions between the UK and Argentina.

The Argentine minister last week rejected a meeting with Hague if it was to include representatives from the government of the Falkland Islands, since Argentina does not accept supervisions from third parties much less from the ‘illegal government’ of the Islands, which it describes as ‘a colonial settlement implanted by the colonial power’.

However the Foreign Office argues that it is ‘right and proper” that Falklands’ representatives should be part of the discussions when they refer to Islands’ issues and insists that Timerman was informed in advance that this would happen.

To emphasize Argentina’s position Ambassador Castro insisted on Monday that “there is no third party in the negotiation for the Malvinas Islands sovereignty”, and accused the British government of “mounting a media operation aimed to show Argentina as the ones that refuse to dialogue.”

Castro denied the inclusion of the British Islanders as part of the discussion over the sovereignty of the Falklands/Malvinas Islands. A debate that also includes Argentina’s sovereignty claims over the South Georgia, and Sandwich islands.

“The dispute is between Argentina and the United Kingdom, and that’s how both the international community and the United Nations recognize the matter. There’s no third party involved.

Likewise, Castro accused UK’s Foreign Secretary William Hague of “trying to distort the meaning and the political objectives of what had to be a two-party meeting. Sadly, it’s the UK who refuses to change its clear position which is of not showing any will toward resolving the controversy.”

Finally Castro remarked that “what Hague is doing is not acceptable at all. He pretends to force Minister Timerman to discuss the Islands sovereignty with officials of the archipelago occupied by the UK.”
 

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1 HansNiesund (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
Desperately trying to make it look like it was Hague who declined to meet.

Mercopress, surely you mean Castro's letter was dated February 4 and not January 4.
2 ChrisR (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
Another numbskull so badly out of her depth it's excruciating to watch.
3 Clyde15 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
Let them rant and rave and politely tell them that the offer still holds for a meeting if they so desire. If not, enjoy your stay and hasta la vista.
4 Pirate Love (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
there is no negotiation on the falklanders future unless they so wish...
comprehendi???
5 GFace (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
“Czechoslovakia has no place at the table to discuss its fate.” Sheesh... Word of the darkest days of 20th century diplomacy have never reached Buenos Aires, has it? That or they see it as a manual of best practices.
6 CJvR (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
This is so stupid and/or so dishonest that it is painful to watch it.
7 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
Our representatives are ready to talk to you whenever you have the courage Timmerman. Why, you could even bring that embarrassment of an ambassador with you if you like.

Why won't you talk? You listed all the countries that would like to see talks between the British and your country. So why won't you talk?
8 The Cestrian (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
No doubt the RG's will be given a polite reception in London and treated with courtesy. I doubt whether that would be reciprocated in BA. I would imagine the RG Govt would organise demonstrations with rock wielding thugs to greet any British foreign Minister and burn our flags in the streets outside.

RG Land = morally bankrupt.
9 Orbit (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
“Mounting a media operation”? Now that is amusing; two brief statements pointing out the obvious is a media campaign. Crikey. They do like their hyperbole.

Perhaps they consider the comments on mercopress as part of the campaign?
10 Musky (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
Talk talk talk, you're given the opportunity and you refuse, no one made you refuse, only you. The meeting will not be fortuitious for you but as you've refused you've guaranteed zero success. The MLA were loaded with opportunities, personally I'd have stuffed a red hot poker up yer jacksie!
11 Britworker (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
I sense desparation from Argentina, as usual, a British diginified silence ensues!
12 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:07 pm Report abuse
Who are these 18 EU reps who are actually going to meet these 'pond-life'?
13 reality check (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
Anyone elses posts getting lost? apologies if this appears on here twice.

I have a feeling the lights in the Argentine Embassy are going to be burning bright and long tonight.

Classic damage limitation excercise, to late though!
14 Xect (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:25 pm Report abuse
Castro accused UK’s Foreign Secretary William Hague of “trying to distort the meaning and the political objectives of what had to be a two-party meeting. Sadly, it’s the UK who refuses to change its clear position which is of not showing any will toward resolving the controversy.”

Lol what controversy would that be? We offered a meeting, you rejected and that is it, case closed.

After all its the Argentine government doing the grandstanding and seeking publicity on the subject, the UK government which as ever goes on its way in a quiet dignified manner.

Nothing ever changes does it?
15 screenname (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:32 pm Report abuse
OK, get Timermen along. Invite him in and still have the Falklands reps there anyway. What is the worst he is going to do? Storm out? Boo hoo.

OR

have them on a video link.

OR

Have them on the phone (or even just WH pretending they are on the phone). Everything Timermen says, WH relays down the line.

It could be a bit like the TV show, Deal or No Deal.

OR

It could be just the 2 of them, but when WH comes out of the meeting he reveals Timerman is a sex pest and tried to molest him.
16 jeffski (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
What a load of bollocks. They had their chance now jog on fools.
17 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:07 am Report abuse
As if anyone needed a demonstrationm, why we could never give up sovereignty to these people, he comes out and shows the reason and in London of all places! Un flipping believable! Takes incompetence to an entire new level, so much so, that someone is going to have to come up with a new name for it.

What is even more incomprehensible, is they do not see it. In the early years of the 21c, they demonstrate they are well and truly stuck in the darkest years of the 20c. A period that all sane people hoped had gone forever, but it appears not.

There's a book in this for some bright lad or lass.
18 Gustbury (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:21 am Report abuse
Timmerman maybe should go with Fabiana Rios for local people (Malvinenses) know their true governor!! Right?
19 commonsparrow (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:38 am Report abuse
Meet without the Falklands reps? Thats not happening.....
20 LEPRecon (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:59 am Report abuse
So yesterday the Argentines were complaining that the British were putting too many 'preconditions' on this meeting.

Today the Argentines are insisting on 'preconditions' for this meeting.

Do you think they actually have short term memory loss? I mean to completely contradict yourself so often, so quickly can't be normal?

However, carry on Argentina (yup it's a comedy) every time on of your representatives opens their big mouths, the more the world can see you for the pariah, state you are, and can see your colonial ambitions.

Well done, Hector and Alicia, keep up the good work. The UK and Falkland Islanders thank you for it. LMFAO
21 Gordo1 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:03 am Report abuse
0700 hrs GMT 05.02.2013

Still no mention of this visit, its itinerary or its purpose in the British media this morning.

Yawn! Yawn!
22 Boovis (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:05 am Report abuse
I found the list of members of the british-argentine group, at least: www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/argentina.htm
23 Steveu (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:46 am Report abuse
Looking at the UK Argentina group, its aim is to “improve UK-Argentina relations” not support the Arg sovereignty claim as implied in this article.

Two different things - I'm in favour of the first but absolutely against the latter.
24 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:36 am Report abuse
@23 sure. The guy who runs it is a conservative MP from Worcester, who doesn't seem to have any links to Argentina other than being asked to head up this committee. As a conservative, I'm sure his opinions on the Falklands are quite clear, compared to Tony Blair who would have sold anyone out like he tried with the Gibraltans, just to get a shot at the EU presidency.

I'm sure that Timmerman will turn the committee meeting into a complete furk-show.
25 LEPRecon (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:23 am Report abuse
@24 - Shed-time

Actually I wish there was a live feed to this committee meeting, it would be so entertaining.

Neither Timerman or Castro have any idea about international politics, or how to express themselves in diplomatic terms.

The committee members, made up of MPs from all parties, are very experienced politicians. They're going to make mincemeat out of them both, and blow all of their pathetic arguments out of the water.

I doubt there is one member of the committee who is not committed to the self-determination of the Falkland Islanders.
26 Idlehands (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:25 am Report abuse
If this is such a “bi-lateral issue” then why does Argentina insist on dragging every man and his dog into the issue (as long as they sympathise with the Argentine viewpoint)

In their efforts to discredit the referendum they seem to be throwing caution to the wind and common sense out of the window.

I do believe the result will enable those that have maintained neutrality to take a more final attitude to the matter.
27 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:29 am Report abuse
In his mind he will be negotiating with the British Government and probably ignore or even realise that they are merely one of the numerous house of commons committees. Wait to read the spin they put on this one.
28 Trunce (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:31 am Report abuse
Just wondered who was on the Argentine/UK multiparty parliamentarian group.
Seem a resonable bunch. No Galloway, or Beast of Bolsover types.

www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/argentina.htm
29 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:45 am Report abuse
They need to be slapped on the hands by the UN over this and told to embrace and comply with the spirit of the UN charter, all of the UN charter.
30 Conqueror (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:49 am Report abuse
@18 “Impersonation of a properly authorised government official.” Likely to get them arrested. Possibly shot! Unless the Islanders tear them apart first.
31 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:02 am Report abuse
@29 Unlikely. The UN is over-run with despotic states, just looking at the C24 as an example. They can't even slap Syria's hand who are clearly paying attention to the charter.
32 darragh (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:29 am Report abuse
Hello everyone. I'm Irish and am studying for a degree in Modern History and as part of that I am researching the origins and outcome of the Falklands/Malvinas controversy. I have to say here and now that I have no love for British Imperialism and therefore exoected that the psoition nwould be clear cut in favour of Argentina. Now as I understand what I've read on this site and elsewhere the Argentine claim is based on something which may or may not have happened in 1833 (depending on your point of view) and that the Bristish viewpoint is that the Falkland/Malvinas inhabitants have been there for 180 years and therefore as an Independent Overseas Territory the people of the Falklands/Malvinas have the right under the UN Charter to self-determination and that the islands are to have a referendum to that effect.
THerefore, to me as an ignorant Irish outsider it is obvious that the results of the referendum should be accepted by all sides. It also seems to me that the Argentines have no case whatsover if they base it on a 180 year old incident. It's kind of like the French saying that the result of the Battle of Waterloo is null and void and they want Belgium back. There you go an Irishman supporting the British, whatever next. As an afterthought this Timmerman fellow seems to be awfully rude. Sure, if the Argentines are so desperate to get the Falklands/Malvinas they should be sucking up to the islanders and trying to persuade them to voluntarily join Argentina instead of acting like a bunch of school playground bullies.
33 Idlehands (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:50 am Report abuse
32 darragh
They alternate between sucking up and bullying depending on who is in government.

The trouble is that now they've lost the war they want to relegate it to a battle lost in a war finally won.

It has now got so out of hand that “sucking up” would stick in their craw too much and would have no effect on the islanders anyway.

They have a choice between being consumed by a hostile state or living a luxurious lifestyle based on their low numbers and the resources at hand.

It's a no brainer for them.

It is even considered that Argentines know they will never gain sovereignty over the Falklands and is simply a convienient domestic political tool. They are taught from pre-school age that the nasty imperialist Brits stole their land. It has similarities to North Korean or Palestinian propaganda in relation to teaching their children from birth.
34 LEPRecon (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
@32 - darragh

Welcome to the site. My mum hails from County Limerick.

The Argentine basis for sovereignty is based on the alleged 'expulsion' of Argentine colonists on 3 Jan 1833.

This is a lie of the largest magnitude because:

1. Argentine didn't exist in 1833, and wouldn't exist until 1853.
2. Soldiers from the United Provinces of the River Plate had illegally occupied the islands some 3 months earlier, despite the British Government issuing a protest against it, and then had mutinied, murdered their commanding officer, and raped his wife in front of his children. These were the only people expelled in 1833, by HMS Clio and not one shot was fired. The actual colonists (most of whom where from South America) stayed in the Falklands under the British Flag voluntarily. Only four colonists choose to go,; 2 where from the province that would become Uruguay and 2 were Brazilian.

So as you can see Argentina lies, not only to its own people, but to the rest of the world.

They also fail to mention that British sovereignty over the Falklands was established in 1690.

Now I know the British Empire wasn't all sunshine and puppies, but this is one of those very rare cases where it is actually black and white, and no grey areas.

The Argentines Peronist movement is based on Nazism, and they use the same techniques. For example: a lie told often enough must become the truth.

Just like their Foreign Minister coming out and saying that the Falkland Islanders aren't entitled to the same human rights as every other person on the planet.

You should ask some of the Falkland Islanders who post on here to tell you just how they were treated by the Argentine military in 1982. It'll give you a fuller picture as to why the Falklanders want nothing to do with Argentina.
35 Trunce (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
@33 & 34.

Not sure that 32 has the demeanour of an aspiring academic ; )

Been perusing members of the Argentine/UK multiparty parliamentarian group.
One certainly has direct Latam experience, his former wife being Brazilian.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309280/Tory-MP-Mike-Weatherley-discovers-wife-Carla-70-time-prostitute.html#axzz2K1jajs12
36 LEPRecon (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
@35 - Trunce

I know, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Of course one would like to think that a true academic would be able to write in paragraphs, and be able to use puncutation correctly, but, ah well, it is not to be so.
37 Trunce (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
@36. : )
38 DanyBerger (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:11 pm Report abuse
Come someone from the irritating Islands tell us what you want to talk with Timerman please?
39 Trunce (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
@38

It's Timerman who requested to talk. Just needs to be with the right people.
40 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
I just think the whole thing is so retarded. The guy is jumping around complaining about 'conditions' when he's the one with the big condition, transfer of sovereignty which is by definition colonisation.

I'm flabbergasted with how retarded it all is, and ashamed on behalf of the argentines.
41 GFace (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:31 pm Report abuse
@36. You try typing on an iPad and see how you sentences look... ;-p

But the fact is that Timmerman has truly blown it. The Guarduan article shows how bent they are even against a typically left-leaning anti-Tory readership who should be lapping up Timmerman's dog whistle language. He's going to get some angry turtlenecks in a covalidation session and that's it. Everyone else is just going to look on incredulously if he's noticed at all. And for his sad sake he better be banking on he the latter.
42 Idlehands (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
Why do we still not know who any of the 18 groups supporting his cause are?
43 The Cestrian (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
I cant find anything in our UK newspapers, our TV or on the BBC website about this visit. Seems as though it has really caught the imagination - not.
44 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
@42 mainly because no one cares. It's probably just some people seeking a free lunch/dinner with booze and want to have a laugh at someone ranting while their slap-head gets really shiny. Then they'll ask a question about why the current government is handing out medals for a war started by the junta, and the guy will rant some more.

It's all of little consequence.
45 darragh (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
#35 Trunce

I never claimed to be an aspiring academic just a student looking for info.
46 Raul (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
32 darragh

Do not be fooled. Listen to the other bell.
The rights and Argentinos arguments.
The real story.

The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Therefore, the possibility remains of the principle of self-determination, as its exercise by the islanders, cause the “disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina.

The committee considers UN decolonization to the Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 are for the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands, Falkland Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Monserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island.
Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony.
Besides the UN resolutions are referred to a colony.
See 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 ( 40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. It is a territory to colonize.

Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony. Example Wikipedia.

es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comit% C3% C3% B3n A9_de_Descolonizaci%

Links or links on Argentine Rights on Malvinas:

www.encuentro.gov.ar/sitios/encuentro/Programas/detallePrograma?rec_id=103988&capitulo_id=103991

www.cuestionmalvinas.gob.ar/
www.embajadaabierta.com/?p=660
www.cancilleria.gov.ar/portal/seree/malvinas/docs/03-Jorge_Arguello.pdf
www.malvinasalta.com.ar/index.php/fundamentos-historicos-y-juridicos.html
www.malvinense.com.ar/derechos.html
www.malvinense.com.ar/smalvi/0109/1072.html

E-Mail: face1354
47 Anbar (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
same old rubbish Raul.
48 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
Never belonged to Argentina, never will.
49 Trunce (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
@45
“ just a student looking for info.”

If you say so - but a little advice.

“ if the Argentines are so desperate to get the Falklands/Malvinas they should be sucking up to the islanders and trying to persuade them to voluntarily join Argentina instead of acting like a bunch of school playground bullies.”

Not sure that conclusion will clinch a First - even though it may have an essence of truth.

@41

I type on iPad mostly. You must have fat fingers ; )

@42

No matter who they are - it will be interesting to see how much they enjoy being so publicly dragged into Argentina's propaganda war.
50 Pete Bog (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
‘a colonial settlement implanted by the colonial power’

Like the Spanish people implanted in Argentina then?
51 Raul (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
You believe God. There is garbage. is the truth even if you do not like.

Leave the hatred and rancor. No one has the absolute truth. No one is free to cast the first stone.

50 Pete Bog
Please do not be ignorant. Refer to the 2065 United Nations resolutions and Decolonization Committee.
Once again read.
52 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
I see your bias C24 committees non binding resolutions and raise with Article 1:2 of the UN Charter. or are you still going to insist that a committee of the UN can ignore it's own founding principles. Go on try and explain that away!
53 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
@51 Can you answer Pete Bog now, thanks. Do you mean like the Spanish people implanted in Argentina then?
54 LEPRecon (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
@51 - Raul

The Decolonisation committee is irrelevant and has no authority to do or actually say anything.

UNGA Resolution 2065. I suggest you go and reread it. It clearly states that the interests of the Islanders MUST be taken into account in line with Article 1 of the UN Charter.

Finally, UNGA Resolution 2065 no longer has any validity. It stopped having any validity on 2 April 1982, when Argentina broke it by resorting to aggressive military means to get what they wanted, instead of peaceful talks as recommended by the resolution.

So stop spouting it, it is no longer relevant. Argentina MADE it irrelevant. Argentina BROKE ALL of the UN Resolutions, most importantly a legally binding UNSC Resolution 502.

Face it, no one person in their right mind would let you fascist NAZI country near the Falkland Islands. Your government is poison. They ruin and destroy everything they touch. Currently the are in the process of destroying Argentina, and I can only be thankful that people like you are so stupid that you cannot see it, you just blinding cheer them on.

Argentina is drowning in corruption and incompetence, and all you can do is applaud the people who are ruining your life.
55 mollymauk (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
@46 Raul - “The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina”

Raul - please explain, what force was used in 1833, who were the “original population” expelled, how long had they been the resident population, where were the borders of Argentina in 1833.

(You might find the answers to be - no force was used, the only people expelled were military and their wives who had been in the islands since 6th October 1832 (less than 3 months) and were in no sense the “original population”, and that the remainder of the true civilian population almost all stayed in the islands, and the state border of the predecessor to Argentina was at the time just South of Buenos Aires, and the Falklands Islands in no way formed part of the “territory” of the United Provinces (Argentina did not exist at the time).
56 Raul (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
54 Leprecon
The decolonization committee is irrelevant and has no authority to do or say anything really.

With that question demonstrate total ignorance. Quite the contrary. It is totally relevant. Just to be a “dependent territory” is synonymous with colonialism and imperialism. Read the resolutions of the UN General Assembly (2065) and the decolonization committee. Speaking of interests and desires, clearly speaks of sovereignty. No self. The committee is one of the most relevant and important organs of the United Nations that works in tandem with the United Nations General Assembly and the International Court of Justice. It is widely read and respected in the world.
World public opinion into account its resolutions, as they are a guarantee of fairness and justice.

Resolution 2065 is no longer valid ............

Why lie? Total has validity, it reaffirms UN. Resolution 2065 (XX), 1965, is ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), is confirmed also after the war in 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12) , 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute.

Before him, no one in their right mind would allow NAZI fascist country near the Falkland Islands ...

Why insult what you do not know? These full of prejudice, hatred and resentment. Argentina's claims are supported by such important bodies as the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2065, the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations, OAS, CELAC, UNASUR and MERCOSUR and several Nobel Peace Prizes as Adolfo Perez Esquivel, Mairead Corrigan of Northern Ireland Maguire, of the Guatemalan Rigoberta Menchu ​​Tum, the Desmond Tutu, Jody Williams of the U.S., and Iranian Shirin Ebadi

Read the following link.
“Six Nobel Peace Prize require the United Kingdom to resume negotiations over sovereignty”

www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=630397
57 golfcronie (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
@56
Raul, you are obviously very passionate as regards the Falklands, why not petition your Government to take the case to the International court of Justice and let them decide. I am sure the that the UK would abide by their decision. Just as the UK will abide by the result of the Falklands Referendum. March is not far away so get yours skates on.
58 ChrisR (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
I will be amazed if Timmidman and Trolly Dolly turn up in front of the All-Party Parliamentary Group. Surely their diplomats in London will warn them what’s in store for them?

WHEN either of them starts lying the Chairman will ask them to ‘qualify the statement as it does not support the facts’.

I wish I could sit in the back of the meeting room while all this is going on.

But of course whatever the real outcome it will be a victory for AR and ‘all the government and people of the UK support the AR claim’. You can just bet the press statement by Timmidman is already written.
59 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
same old rubbish Raul.AHAHAH uk is FINISHED and going down the drain...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI

I will be amazed if Timmidman and Trolly Dolly turn up in front of the All-Party Parliamentary Group. Surely their diplomats in London will warn them what’s in store for them chris you are an absolute GARBAGE!
60 Pugol-H (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
@Timmerman, Raul, Malv.
Pissing in the wind boys. The fat lady is about to sing.

The moving hand, having written moves on, for all thy wit nor piety, shall alter one iota of it.
61 Pete Bog (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:11 am Report abuse
@51
“Refer to the 2065 United Nations resolutions ”

I have.

It states clearly that the interests of the population have to be taken into account.

What part of that do you not understand?

If you disagree that the UK is not taking the interests of the population into account then could you enlighten us as to how the Argentines would portray the Falkland Islands population's interests? This is a requirement of the resolution. It says so.

In fact,Argentina seems dis- interested in the interests of' the population', therefore Argentina is breaking that resolution (also broken in 1982 when Argentina used violence, also breaking the resolution).

It also states in 2065 that the UN Charter has to be taken into account. All of these (including territorial integrity with the UK) support the 'population.'

As Argentina ignores the 'provisions of the UN Charter' it is breaking the resolution.

I suggest you read the resolution yourself as you clearly do not understand its meaning.

The purpose of the C24 is to assist former colonies with the transformation to independence, not to transfer them to another colonial power like Argentina.

Look it up, Raul, its all there.

Also Ban Ki Moon has stated that the UK is not breaking UN resolutions and states that Self Determination is a right for all peoples.

Look it up ,though if you want links I'm sure some of the other posters would be only too glad to produce them.
62 row82 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
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63 Raul (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 01:34 pm Report abuse
61 Pete Bog

What part is hard to understand?

UNITED NATIONS THAT say about it.

“The chairman of the United Nations Decolonization ............. described the announcement of a UK referendum on the Falkland Islands as a” political stunt “, insisting that the islanders can not appeal to the right to self-determination according to them, because in the Malvinas case ”is not a principle of territorial integrity“ of Argentina, which is above other considerations and the UK is the ”occupying force“ since 1833 ” .

Read this:

en.mercopress.com/2012/06/16/c24-chair-calls-falklands-referendum-political-ploy-praises-argentine-president

What part is hard to understand?

Moreover, Ban Ki Moon, said that the UK is not in violation of UN resolutions and states that self-determination is a right of all peoples.

Read it carefully. In fact, as usual, Mercopress tries to spin the facts. Ban Ki-moon said “The impression is that people living in certain conditions, should have access to some level of skills so they can decide their own future. And that is the main criterion of the principal organs of the UN . ”Of course, gives an“ impression ”, but the fact is that under the UN Charter, self-determination is not applicable in this case ..... And ....
“Argentina has repeatedly requested the good offices of the UN, Ban Ki-moon, for the two sides together, Argentina and the United Kingdom, and help establish a dialogue on the sovereignty of the Falklands / Malvinas.

”I know that the government of Argentina has agreed to this, and I still hope for UK agreement,“ said Ban Ki-moon.

”I have been urging both nations to resolve the issue peacefully through dialogue and I made clear that I am willing to offer my good offices to both parties so that they can come together.”

No changes in
UN position in his letter. Strongly positive for Argentina.

What part is hard to understand?
64 ChrisR (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
63 Raul
“What part is hard to understand?”

We can start with your deep, deep stupidity;

Your willingness to believe the indoctrination of the school system in AR (there are STILL no Malvinas you twat);

That no-one is doing a thing to stop TMBOA and Coke-head Maximo from stealing YOUR money;

That YOU still think that UN resolutions are binding and still apply from before 1982 when you bunch of culos invaded the Falklands;

That you believe INDEC figures;

You think you are getting the islands ‘back’ when you have never owned them and never will. ‘Possesion’ under times of war is not owning them;

AND you think everything about Britain is bad.

Getting fed up with this, it’s just so easy to dismiss your boneheaded drivel.
65 Raul (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
64 ChrisR
We can start with your stupidity deep, deep;

Why do not you calm down and stop insulting what you do not know? really prove that you have nothing eduacion or culture.


Nobody is doing anything to stop Coke TMBOA and Maximum header from stealing your money;

Are you sick? Do you use cocaine?

I still think that the UN resolutions are binding and still apply since before 1982 when lots of vehicles invaded the Falklands.

You have not studied anything. they say the UN resolutions 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), and after the war 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12 ), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. Resolutions are made to be fulfilled.

You believe INDEC figures;

These sick. What does the INDEC the Malvinas conflict? . Prove it.

And you think everything is bad about Britain.

Quite the contrary. UK is not all bad. Especially human rights organizations as Amnesty International. John Lennon returned the medals against colonialism and imperialism.

read the link:

www.europapress.es/cultura/musica-00129/noticia-medalla-john-lennon-devolvio-reina-inglaterra-podria-acabar-museo-20090106141805.html

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66 DanyBerger (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:40 am Report abuse
@Chris Ram bo

“AND you think everything about Britain is bad.”

Of course everything in bad in Britain and that is the reason why you are living in Uruguay.
67 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
Please support this page honouring all those who helped liberate the Falklands in 1982 and dedicated to keeping the islands liberated and free of Argentine colonialism.

www.facebook.com/HonourRestored

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