Timerman in London insists in meeting Hague, ‘the two alone’ without Falklands’ representatives
Foreign minister Hector Timerman is in London and has reiterated his request and willingness to hold a bilateral meeting with Foreign Secretary William Hague, “the two alone, to address numerous issues of the bilateral and multilateral agenda”, says a letter from Argentine Ambassador Alicia Castro dated February 4 addressed to the Foreign Office and made public in Buenos Aires.
The brief one paragraph letter adds that Minister Timerman will be staying in London until February 6, and his request and willingness to hold a meeting with Foreign Secretary Hague is as informed in the letters sent to the FCO on January 29 and 31.
Timerman arrived in London for a ‘Malvinas week’ activity to put forward Argentina’s case before the Argentine/UK multiparty parliamentarian group in Westminster and on Wednesday at the Argentine embassy will hold a meeting with 18 European Union groups that support the resumption of Falklands’ sovereignty discussions between the UK and Argentina.
The Argentine minister last week rejected a meeting with Hague if it was to include representatives from the government of the Falkland Islands, since Argentina does not accept supervisions from third parties much less from the ‘illegal government’ of the Islands, which it describes as ‘a colonial settlement implanted by the colonial power’.
However the Foreign Office argues that it is ‘right and proper” that Falklands’ representatives should be part of the discussions when they refer to Islands’ issues and insists that Timerman was informed in advance that this would happen.
To emphasize Argentina’s position Ambassador Castro insisted on Monday that “there is no third party in the negotiation for the Malvinas Islands sovereignty”, and accused the British government of “mounting a media operation aimed to show Argentina as the ones that refuse to dialogue.”
Castro denied the inclusion of the British Islanders as part of the discussion over the sovereignty of the Falklands/Malvinas Islands. A debate that also includes Argentina’s sovereignty claims over the South Georgia, and Sandwich islands.
“The dispute is between Argentina and the United Kingdom, and that’s how both the international community and the United Nations recognize the matter. There’s no third party involved.
Likewise, Castro accused UK’s Foreign Secretary William Hague of “trying to distort the meaning and the political objectives of what had to be a two-party meeting. Sadly, it’s the UK who refuses to change its clear position which is of not showing any will toward resolving the controversy.”
Finally Castro remarked that “what Hague is doing is not acceptable at all. He pretends to force Minister Timerman to discuss the Islands sovereignty with officials of the archipelago occupied by the UK.”
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Mercopress, surely you mean Castro's letter was dated February 4 and not January 4.
comprehendi???
Why won't you talk? You listed all the countries that would like to see talks between the British and your country. So why won't you talk?
RG Land = morally bankrupt.
Perhaps they consider the comments on mercopress as part of the campaign?
I have a feeling the lights in the Argentine Embassy are going to be burning bright and long tonight.
Classic damage limitation excercise, to late though!
Lol what controversy would that be? We offered a meeting, you rejected and that is it, case closed.
After all its the Argentine government doing the grandstanding and seeking publicity on the subject, the UK government which as ever goes on its way in a quiet dignified manner.
Nothing ever changes does it?
OR
have them on a video link.
OR
Have them on the phone (or even just WH pretending they are on the phone). Everything Timermen says, WH relays down the line.
It could be a bit like the TV show, Deal or No Deal.
OR
It could be just the 2 of them, but when WH comes out of the meeting he reveals Timerman is a sex pest and tried to molest him.
What is even more incomprehensible, is they do not see it. In the early years of the 21c, they demonstrate they are well and truly stuck in the darkest years of the 20c. A period that all sane people hoped had gone forever, but it appears not.
There's a book in this for some bright lad or lass.
Today the Argentines are insisting on 'preconditions' for this meeting.
Do you think they actually have short term memory loss? I mean to completely contradict yourself so often, so quickly can't be normal?
However, carry on Argentina (yup it's a comedy) every time on of your representatives opens their big mouths, the more the world can see you for the pariah, state you are, and can see your colonial ambitions.
Well done, Hector and Alicia, keep up the good work. The UK and Falkland Islanders thank you for it. LMFAO
Still no mention of this visit, its itinerary or its purpose in the British media this morning.
Yawn! Yawn!
Two different things - I'm in favour of the first but absolutely against the latter.
I'm sure that Timmerman will turn the committee meeting into a complete furk-show.
Actually I wish there was a live feed to this committee meeting, it would be so entertaining.
Neither Timerman or Castro have any idea about international politics, or how to express themselves in diplomatic terms.
The committee members, made up of MPs from all parties, are very experienced politicians. They're going to make mincemeat out of them both, and blow all of their pathetic arguments out of the water.
I doubt there is one member of the committee who is not committed to the self-determination of the Falkland Islanders.
In their efforts to discredit the referendum they seem to be throwing caution to the wind and common sense out of the window.
I do believe the result will enable those that have maintained neutrality to take a more final attitude to the matter.
Seem a resonable bunch. No Galloway, or Beast of Bolsover types.
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/argentina.htm
THerefore, to me as an ignorant Irish outsider it is obvious that the results of the referendum should be accepted by all sides. It also seems to me that the Argentines have no case whatsover if they base it on a 180 year old incident. It's kind of like the French saying that the result of the Battle of Waterloo is null and void and they want Belgium back. There you go an Irishman supporting the British, whatever next. As an afterthought this Timmerman fellow seems to be awfully rude. Sure, if the Argentines are so desperate to get the Falklands/Malvinas they should be sucking up to the islanders and trying to persuade them to voluntarily join Argentina instead of acting like a bunch of school playground bullies.
They alternate between sucking up and bullying depending on who is in government.
The trouble is that now they've lost the war they want to relegate it to a battle lost in a war finally won.
It has now got so out of hand that “sucking up” would stick in their craw too much and would have no effect on the islanders anyway.
They have a choice between being consumed by a hostile state or living a luxurious lifestyle based on their low numbers and the resources at hand.
It's a no brainer for them.
It is even considered that Argentines know they will never gain sovereignty over the Falklands and is simply a convienient domestic political tool. They are taught from pre-school age that the nasty imperialist Brits stole their land. It has similarities to North Korean or Palestinian propaganda in relation to teaching their children from birth.
Welcome to the site. My mum hails from County Limerick.
The Argentine basis for sovereignty is based on the alleged 'expulsion' of Argentine colonists on 3 Jan 1833.
This is a lie of the largest magnitude because:
1. Argentine didn't exist in 1833, and wouldn't exist until 1853.
2. Soldiers from the United Provinces of the River Plate had illegally occupied the islands some 3 months earlier, despite the British Government issuing a protest against it, and then had mutinied, murdered their commanding officer, and raped his wife in front of his children. These were the only people expelled in 1833, by HMS Clio and not one shot was fired. The actual colonists (most of whom where from South America) stayed in the Falklands under the British Flag voluntarily. Only four colonists choose to go,; 2 where from the province that would become Uruguay and 2 were Brazilian.
So as you can see Argentina lies, not only to its own people, but to the rest of the world.
They also fail to mention that British sovereignty over the Falklands was established in 1690.
Now I know the British Empire wasn't all sunshine and puppies, but this is one of those very rare cases where it is actually black and white, and no grey areas.
The Argentines Peronist movement is based on Nazism, and they use the same techniques. For example: a lie told often enough must become the truth.
Just like their Foreign Minister coming out and saying that the Falkland Islanders aren't entitled to the same human rights as every other person on the planet.
You should ask some of the Falkland Islanders who post on here to tell you just how they were treated by the Argentine military in 1982. It'll give you a fuller picture as to why the Falklanders want nothing to do with Argentina.
Not sure that 32 has the demeanour of an aspiring academic ; )
Been perusing members of the Argentine/UK multiparty parliamentarian group.
One certainly has direct Latam experience, his former wife being Brazilian.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309280/Tory-MP-Mike-Weatherley-discovers-wife-Carla-70-time-prostitute.html#axzz2K1jajs12
I know, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Of course one would like to think that a true academic would be able to write in paragraphs, and be able to use puncutation correctly, but, ah well, it is not to be so.
It's Timerman who requested to talk. Just needs to be with the right people.
I'm flabbergasted with how retarded it all is, and ashamed on behalf of the argentines.
But the fact is that Timmerman has truly blown it. The Guarduan article shows how bent they are even against a typically left-leaning anti-Tory readership who should be lapping up Timmerman's dog whistle language. He's going to get some angry turtlenecks in a covalidation session and that's it. Everyone else is just going to look on incredulously if he's noticed at all. And for his sad sake he better be banking on he the latter.
It's all of little consequence.
I never claimed to be an aspiring academic just a student looking for info.
Do not be fooled. Listen to the other bell.
The rights and Argentinos arguments.
The real story.
The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Therefore, the possibility remains of the principle of self-determination, as its exercise by the islanders, cause the “disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina.
The committee considers UN decolonization to the Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 are for the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands, Falkland Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Monserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island.
Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony.
Besides the UN resolutions are referred to a colony.
See 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 ( 40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. It is a territory to colonize.
Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony. Example Wikipedia.
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comit% C3% C3% B3n A9_de_Descolonizaci%
Links or links on Argentine Rights on Malvinas:
www.encuentro.gov.ar/sitios/encuentro/Programas/detallePrograma?rec_id=103988&capitulo_id=103991
www.cuestionmalvinas.gob.ar/
www.embajadaabierta.com/?p=660
www.cancilleria.gov.ar/portal/seree/malvinas/docs/03-Jorge_Arguello.pdf
www.malvinasalta.com.ar/index.php/fundamentos-historicos-y-juridicos.html
www.malvinense.com.ar/derechos.html
www.malvinense.com.ar/smalvi/0109/1072.html
E-Mail: face1354
“ just a student looking for info.”
If you say so - but a little advice.
“ if the Argentines are so desperate to get the Falklands/Malvinas they should be sucking up to the islanders and trying to persuade them to voluntarily join Argentina instead of acting like a bunch of school playground bullies.”
Not sure that conclusion will clinch a First - even though it may have an essence of truth.
@41
I type on iPad mostly. You must have fat fingers ; )
@42
No matter who they are - it will be interesting to see how much they enjoy being so publicly dragged into Argentina's propaganda war.
Like the Spanish people implanted in Argentina then?
Leave the hatred and rancor. No one has the absolute truth. No one is free to cast the first stone.
50 Pete Bog
Please do not be ignorant. Refer to the 2065 United Nations resolutions and Decolonization Committee.
Once again read.
The Decolonisation committee is irrelevant and has no authority to do or actually say anything.
UNGA Resolution 2065. I suggest you go and reread it. It clearly states that the interests of the Islanders MUST be taken into account in line with Article 1 of the UN Charter.
Finally, UNGA Resolution 2065 no longer has any validity. It stopped having any validity on 2 April 1982, when Argentina broke it by resorting to aggressive military means to get what they wanted, instead of peaceful talks as recommended by the resolution.
So stop spouting it, it is no longer relevant. Argentina MADE it irrelevant. Argentina BROKE ALL of the UN Resolutions, most importantly a legally binding UNSC Resolution 502.
Face it, no one person in their right mind would let you fascist NAZI country near the Falkland Islands. Your government is poison. They ruin and destroy everything they touch. Currently the are in the process of destroying Argentina, and I can only be thankful that people like you are so stupid that you cannot see it, you just blinding cheer them on.
Argentina is drowning in corruption and incompetence, and all you can do is applaud the people who are ruining your life.
Raul - please explain, what force was used in 1833, who were the “original population” expelled, how long had they been the resident population, where were the borders of Argentina in 1833.
(You might find the answers to be - no force was used, the only people expelled were military and their wives who had been in the islands since 6th October 1832 (less than 3 months) and were in no sense the “original population”, and that the remainder of the true civilian population almost all stayed in the islands, and the state border of the predecessor to Argentina was at the time just South of Buenos Aires, and the Falklands Islands in no way formed part of the “territory” of the United Provinces (Argentina did not exist at the time).
The decolonization committee is irrelevant and has no authority to do or say anything really.
With that question demonstrate total ignorance. Quite the contrary. It is totally relevant. Just to be a “dependent territory” is synonymous with colonialism and imperialism. Read the resolutions of the UN General Assembly (2065) and the decolonization committee. Speaking of interests and desires, clearly speaks of sovereignty. No self. The committee is one of the most relevant and important organs of the United Nations that works in tandem with the United Nations General Assembly and the International Court of Justice. It is widely read and respected in the world.
World public opinion into account its resolutions, as they are a guarantee of fairness and justice.
Resolution 2065 is no longer valid ............
Why lie? Total has validity, it reaffirms UN. Resolution 2065 (XX), 1965, is ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), is confirmed also after the war in 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12) , 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute.
Before him, no one in their right mind would allow NAZI fascist country near the Falkland Islands ...
Why insult what you do not know? These full of prejudice, hatred and resentment. Argentina's claims are supported by such important bodies as the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2065, the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations, OAS, CELAC, UNASUR and MERCOSUR and several Nobel Peace Prizes as Adolfo Perez Esquivel, Mairead Corrigan of Northern Ireland Maguire, of the Guatemalan Rigoberta Menchu Tum, the Desmond Tutu, Jody Williams of the U.S., and Iranian Shirin Ebadi
Read the following link.
“Six Nobel Peace Prize require the United Kingdom to resume negotiations over sovereignty”
www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=630397
Raul, you are obviously very passionate as regards the Falklands, why not petition your Government to take the case to the International court of Justice and let them decide. I am sure the that the UK would abide by their decision. Just as the UK will abide by the result of the Falklands Referendum. March is not far away so get yours skates on.
WHEN either of them starts lying the Chairman will ask them to ‘qualify the statement as it does not support the facts’.
I wish I could sit in the back of the meeting room while all this is going on.
But of course whatever the real outcome it will be a victory for AR and ‘all the government and people of the UK support the AR claim’. You can just bet the press statement by Timmidman is already written.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
I will be amazed if Timmidman and Trolly Dolly turn up in front of the All-Party Parliamentary Group. Surely their diplomats in London will warn them what’s in store for them chris you are an absolute GARBAGE!
Pissing in the wind boys. The fat lady is about to sing.
The moving hand, having written moves on, for all thy wit nor piety, shall alter one iota of it.
“Refer to the 2065 United Nations resolutions ”
I have.
It states clearly that the interests of the population have to be taken into account.
What part of that do you not understand?
If you disagree that the UK is not taking the interests of the population into account then could you enlighten us as to how the Argentines would portray the Falkland Islands population's interests? This is a requirement of the resolution. It says so.
In fact,Argentina seems dis- interested in the interests of' the population', therefore Argentina is breaking that resolution (also broken in 1982 when Argentina used violence, also breaking the resolution).
It also states in 2065 that the UN Charter has to be taken into account. All of these (including territorial integrity with the UK) support the 'population.'
As Argentina ignores the 'provisions of the UN Charter' it is breaking the resolution.
I suggest you read the resolution yourself as you clearly do not understand its meaning.
The purpose of the C24 is to assist former colonies with the transformation to independence, not to transfer them to another colonial power like Argentina.
Look it up, Raul, its all there.
Also Ban Ki Moon has stated that the UK is not breaking UN resolutions and states that Self Determination is a right for all peoples.
Look it up ,though if you want links I'm sure some of the other posters would be only too glad to produce them.
What part is hard to understand?
UNITED NATIONS THAT say about it.
“The chairman of the United Nations Decolonization ............. described the announcement of a UK referendum on the Falkland Islands as a” political stunt “, insisting that the islanders can not appeal to the right to self-determination according to them, because in the Malvinas case ”is not a principle of territorial integrity“ of Argentina, which is above other considerations and the UK is the ”occupying force“ since 1833 ” .
Read this:
en.mercopress.com/2012/06/16/c24-chair-calls-falklands-referendum-political-ploy-praises-argentine-president
What part is hard to understand?
Moreover, Ban Ki Moon, said that the UK is not in violation of UN resolutions and states that self-determination is a right of all peoples.
Read it carefully. In fact, as usual, Mercopress tries to spin the facts. Ban Ki-moon said “The impression is that people living in certain conditions, should have access to some level of skills so they can decide their own future. And that is the main criterion of the principal organs of the UN . ”Of course, gives an“ impression ”, but the fact is that under the UN Charter, self-determination is not applicable in this case ..... And ....
“Argentina has repeatedly requested the good offices of the UN, Ban Ki-moon, for the two sides together, Argentina and the United Kingdom, and help establish a dialogue on the sovereignty of the Falklands / Malvinas.
”I know that the government of Argentina has agreed to this, and I still hope for UK agreement,“ said Ban Ki-moon.
”I have been urging both nations to resolve the issue peacefully through dialogue and I made clear that I am willing to offer my good offices to both parties so that they can come together.”
No changes in
UN position in his letter. Strongly positive for Argentina.
What part is hard to understand?
“What part is hard to understand?”
We can start with your deep, deep stupidity;
Your willingness to believe the indoctrination of the school system in AR (there are STILL no Malvinas you twat);
That no-one is doing a thing to stop TMBOA and Coke-head Maximo from stealing YOUR money;
That YOU still think that UN resolutions are binding and still apply from before 1982 when you bunch of culos invaded the Falklands;
That you believe INDEC figures;
You think you are getting the islands ‘back’ when you have never owned them and never will. ‘Possesion’ under times of war is not owning them;
AND you think everything about Britain is bad.
Getting fed up with this, it’s just so easy to dismiss your boneheaded drivel.
We can start with your stupidity deep, deep;
Why do not you calm down and stop insulting what you do not know? really prove that you have nothing eduacion or culture.
Nobody is doing anything to stop Coke TMBOA and Maximum header from stealing your money;
Are you sick? Do you use cocaine?
I still think that the UN resolutions are binding and still apply since before 1982 when lots of vehicles invaded the Falklands.
You have not studied anything. they say the UN resolutions 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), and after the war 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12 ), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. Resolutions are made to be fulfilled.
You believe INDEC figures;
These sick. What does the INDEC the Malvinas conflict? . Prove it.
And you think everything is bad about Britain.
Quite the contrary. UK is not all bad. Especially human rights organizations as Amnesty International. John Lennon returned the medals against colonialism and imperialism.
read the link:
www.europapress.es/cultura/musica-00129/noticia-medalla-john-lennon-devolvio-reina-inglaterra-podria-acabar-museo-20090106141805.html
face1354@hotmail.com
“AND you think everything about Britain is bad.”
Of course everything in bad in Britain and that is the reason why you are living in Uruguay.
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