Falklands willing to meet Timerman ‘any time’ for rational conversation as ‘one human being to another’
The Argentine government refusal to speak to the Falkland Islands representatives is ‘unacceptable” in this day and age of modern democracies. Nevertheless the two Falklands lawmakers currently in London have said they would be very happy to meet with Foreign Minister Hector Timerman at any time this week to have “a rational conversation as one human being to another”.
“The refusal of the Argentine government to speak to us is quite frankly unacceptable in this day and age of modern democracies”, said Member of the Falklands elected Legislative Assembly Dick Sawle who on Tuesday tried to present Mr Timerman with a letter and a booklet “Our Islands, Our History” following his meeting with MPs at the House of Commons.
“This was a real letter with real intention behind it. All we wish to do is talk and I can see no harm in that for anyone. It comes as no surprise however that he refused to meet with us or even to speak with me when I introduced myself and attempted to hand him the letter and the booklet “Our Islands Our History”
MLA Sawle recalled he met the same reaction when he attended the Parlamerica conference last year in Panama and “I tried to engage in a friendly fashion with their delegation and also with the Argentine Ambassador to Panama. They simply refused to speak”.
“We are clear in our intentions...we are neither hostile nor unreasonable people, we simply wish to talk which, of course, is something that the Argentine government publicly states it also wishes to do, but seems just as fiercely opposed to putting into practice”, said MLA Sawle.
That letter, which was later delivered to the Argentine embassy, “simply says that there’s no need to worry about talking to us, we are perfectly reasonable, perfectly rational people and there are areas of mutual interest that we could discuss and obviously sovereignty is not one of them”
Likewise MLA Sawle underlined his hopes that “other countries will appreciate the great efforts we have made in trying to engage with Argentina and respect our attempts to do so”.
Finally MLA Sawle again repeated the message via the press: “if Mr Timerman wishes to meet with either myself or Jan (Cheek) or both of us, then we’re happy to meet him at any time during this week in London, just to sit down to have a rational conversation as one human being to another”.
But despite the still non formalized meeting with Timerman, MLA Jan Cheek said it has been a very successful week for the Falklands.
“People are very friendly, very interested and although one never knows what they will publish or edit in an interview, overall there has been a good understanding of the issue”, said MLA Cheek.
And as to Mr. Timerman attitude so far, “it was absolutely to be expected but it makes a point; we’re saying ‘come on, let’s talk about matters of mutual interest’ like managing fisheries and the South Atlantic and they’re saying ‘no we won’t talk to you’. It simply makes nonsense of their message about wanting to talk about the Islands”
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Already I can see two ( 2 ) problems with that
1 ) As pointed out by friend “Room101” and “andy65”:- The Argentine regime are not rational
2) Whatever species Hector Timerman is, he ain't Human.
His adult children are borne here. What about one of your Deputies I believe is Italian born - how can he be allowed into your govt
The Islands Govt is willing to sit down and talk with the Arg Govt - the Arg govt shouts and screams about malvinas and rational discussions - but will not sit down and start to talk about anything!
This last 7 days political game score:
Islands - 10 --------- Argentina ZERO
and why don't we do that ? is better to have 50% of something (mutual cooperation, joint ventures, etc ) than 100% of nothing, right? Just a thought
He was too scared and ashamed to face them.
The Falkland Islands are listed as a non-self-governing territory at the UN because its inhabitants were subject to alien domination under British colonial rule & UN Charter Chapter XI Declaration on Non-Self-Governing-Territories covers the case of the Falkland Islands
The fact remains the matter of the future of the Falkland Islands is a bilateral issue, between the contemporary inhabitants of the Falkland Islands & the lawful Administrating Country of the Falkland Islands, Great Britain
Argentina is in breach of its UN obligations under UN Charter Chapter XI Declaration Regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories, UN Charter Chapter XIV International Court of Justice & Article 103
The UN Treaty came into force on 24 October 1945; Article 2 applies to the de facto territory of each member state at that time. As such with respect to the self-determination of the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands, only Great Britain as the Administering Country with 180 year continuous sovereignty of the Non-Self-Governing Territory can claim disruption of its national unity & territorial integrity by any change of the political status of the Falkland Islands under the UN Treaty; Argentina has no established rights under the UN Treaty in respect of disruption of national unity or territorial integrity
Argentina has no legal basis for its claim that human right of self-determination does not apply to the inhabitants of the non-self-governing territory of the Falkland Islands
Argentina has no legal claim to British possessions in the South Atlantic
The fact is whilst Argentina is unable to prove its controversial claims at the UN International Court of Justice, the Falkland Islands inhabitants may proceed as they see fit without let or hindrance by Argentina
Interference by Argentina in the lawful process of self-determination is an unlawful act of aggression
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
“We should go back to the days when you could hunt down and hang thieves, pirates and murderers, we are still on time to brings days back”
Oh yes!! Bring it on, I'm up for that!!!!!
Then we could hang the Argentines who stole land from their neighbours.
Then we could hang the Argentines who stole land from innocent Indians and who then murdered them all
Then we could hang the Argentines who push innocent people and Nun's out of planes...............
Then we could hang the Argentines who invaded the falkland islands back in 1982.
My question to you is, after we've done all that, would there be any Argentines left????
By the way, how is Canada???
The fact is Argentina acquiesced to British sovereignty of the Falkland Islands by ratification by the Argentine Congress of the Arana-Southern Treaty in 1850, whilst great Britain exercised its sovereignty ever since
The 1965 UN General Assembly Resolution 2065 notes the existence of a dispute concerning the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands & invites Argentina & Great Britain to negotiate to find a peaceful solution
The 1965 UN GA Resolution 2065 is non-binding & does not over-ride binding UN Charter Articles 73 & 74 thus the Falkland Islanders remain lawfully free to decide their own political status independent of the wishes of either Great Britain or Argentina
However, according to UN GA Resolution 2065 any solution to Argentina's dispute must bear in mind:
1. the provisions and objections of the UN Charter
2. Resolution 1514 on the Declaration of the Granting of Independence for Non-Self-Governing Territories
3. the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands
Argentine proposals for a solution to their dispute are non-conformant to UN GA Resolution 2065
In 1982 Argentina terminated the negotiations under UN GA Resolution 2065 between Great Britain & Argentina and decides to resolve its dispute by use of force and breaches the peace by its unlawful invasions of South Georgia & Falkland Islands. Argentina disobeys UN Security Council Resolution 502. Great Britain invokes its right to self-defense under UN Charter Article 51 & defeats Argentina and lawfully reestablishes British sovereignty according to the principle of uti possidetis under international law. British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands is fact
Thus Argentina is a third party to the process of self-determination by the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands & is impotent to halt this lawful process
I hear you brother!! I hear you.
But you don't think that the Argentinains are going to let a little thing like the “rule of law” and the “rightful owners” get in the way of their “Legal Claim” do you?
As you seem obsessive with nuclear weapons,
And this 100% clause,
Please, as you are so informed, could you supply me with the list of ingredients you would need to make a nuclear bombe?
And to become a nuclear power,
Please list them in alphabetical order,
That way we can see at a stroke, if indeed Argentina produces all the required ingredients to acquire this mythical arsenal.
Thanks.
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It is unlikely that the present govermnent will be there in “twenty years” time; and certainly Argentina won't have Mr Timerman's talent for diplomacy. In any case, by that time the environmental situation will have changed the political one whatever it may be by that time.
mmmmm..........follow someone else political principle and still get it wrong.... yep, sounds like Argentina all right.
Timmershylock, why you no learn your lesson?
There are those on this forum ( myself included ) who regularly quote Albert Einstein's saying “An idiot is a person who repeats the same operation time and time again but hopes for a different out come”
#10 lol I think you will find luis vernet in the history of Islas Malvinas Argentina, i am sure denial is a better choice for brits, but a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina can put an end to that none sense. And before we talk about invasion of a british corporate, I think we should deal with the illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina by a british corporate.
#12 we Argentines support a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina to end the illegal occupation of Argentina and the end to the theft of our natural resources, that all you need to know. Don't worry you could not miss a big mushrooms in the sky where UK or Islas malvinas should be. Keep up the threats and it can all be possible.
#13 if Timerman keeps talking the way he is , he can get my vote and many Argentine's will vote him if he plans to make his words come truth, Timerman for president.
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
They won’t get the islands
They won’t get respect
They won’t even tell the truth,
What hope is there in this failed state?
Answers to CFK .
“lol sorry but let's fix the racist slave trade first”
Sorry, but what century are you living in??? The slave trade has already been sorted out.
Now then:-
“Don't worry you could not miss a big mushrooms in the sky where UK or Islas malvinas should be”.
Ok so you nuke the falklands, then what?? with all the dust and fallout, how would you live / work there????
I'll leave you with the wise words from Jan Cheek, a falkland Islander who “Doesn't exist”
“But despite the still non formalized meeting with Timerman, MLA Jan Cheek said it has been a very successful week for the Falklands”
Clown
But you must have the lowest tally in the whole fleet.
Lol
Still
If you was a fisherman, at least you might catch something worthwhile lol.
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Albert Einstein also said:- “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
I wonder, did he have you in mind when he said it?
Taking the piss is thirsty work.
Ha ha .pirates, ? he couldn’t catch a cold..
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@17 I'm finished talking to the dead. You are dead, you know, Alex. Give us time.
Falkland Islands Government should now wait until the argies “really” want to talk. And then refuse.
But flying pigs obviously do :-)
“Timerman, 59, batted away suggestions from British reporters that Argentina was also a colonial power, its settler pioneers having colonized land once belonging to indigenous Indians, a comparison Timerman labeled ”audacious”.
Just like you Brits love to say Argentina lost in the Falklands, fair enough, Argentina:
Spain took away Mendoza and San Juan provinces from Chile (before independence)
Went to war with Spain and won (independence)
Went to war with Brazil and won (Brazil lost Uruguay, and most of Iguazu falls)
Fought a joint French-British fleet and won (control of the entire lower Parana Basin)
Went to war with Indian nations and won (the pampas and northern Patagonia)
Went to war with Paraguay and won (Chaco and Formosa Provinces)
Persuaded Bolivia to cede all of the southern Bolivian Puna (most of Jujuy)
Arbitrated with Chile and was awarded 85% of the Puna Atacama (western Salta)
Persuaded Welsh/British settlers province to fall under Argentina annexation (Chubut and Santa Cruz)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puna_de_Atacama_dispute
Persuaded Chile to reach an agreement to give over half of Tierra del Fuego (today's province)
Persuaded Uruguay to cede Martin Garcia Island, creating the current exclave.
Arbitrated over the far southern islands and mostly lost (Chile got 95% of them)
Went to War with the United Kingdom over the Falklands and lost.
Arbitrated over Laguna del Desierto and won 100% (western Santa Cruz)
And those explain ALL of Argentina's expansionist policies and fully explain today's map of Argentina.
No colonization period. Just annexation, wars, treaties, cedes, and arbitrations.
i find a piece of mind knowing argentina have put their best man on the job.
Snigger,snigger.
i wonder what the UN makes of argentinas mistranslation and misuse of The Un charter, no doubt joins the rest of the democratic lawful world in a cringe of disbelief,disgust and major concern for the great argentine expansionists ..sieg heil!!
SELF-DETERMINATION....the argentine dream shatterer! :))))))))
We usaully didnt commit genocide when we did that and are suitably embarrased about the empire these days you still apprantly celebrate it.
> No colonization period. Just annexation, wars, treaties, cedes, and arbitrations.
Tobias, you dope, how do you think colonies were acquired by anybody?
The Falkland's reps. are asking for a RATIONAL conversation?
With Timerman ? You would get more sense and feedback talking to a chimpanzee !
No empire, no colonies. The regions were annexed and fully integrated to Argentina as territories. Once they qualified, they became provinces with full representation.
We didn't commit any genocide either. The worst TRULLY documented account (not the logorrhea figures spouted here), talk about 6.000 dead, and mostly through combat not from actually rounding them up and doing some Auschwitz deal on them.
@34
Where were “Argentina's colonies”. I'll give you the chance to look them up in a time-specific map.
How long should I give you to find them? 6 months? 1 year?
What part of annexation, war, treaty, cedes, and arbitrations don't you get?
When you annex territory and the people consent, or don't resist, it stands legally.
When you go to war and win, I think Brits of all people would agree, any territorial gains stand.
When you get a country to cede land formally, duh.
When you sign a treaty and the other country consciously gives you land, ditto.
When you go to arbitration and another country or the Pope decide and give you land.... hello?
No colonies.
QED
Simple, widebrain. Ecuador had a precolumbian population of probably 3-4 million, and a much “slower” process of Spanish settlement over 3 centuries.
Precolumbian Argentina at best had 300.000-500.000 people (in an area 15 times as large or more as Ecuador), 80% of which were found in the northwest, the only area with agricultural civilization influenced by the Inca.
The Pampas only supported basic hunter-gatherers, and as you can see all over the world if you actually where taught anything in your failing UK schools, hunter-gatherer at best can form groups of 20 individuals. NEVER has a civilization with towns and population centers been based on nomads.
Then, for 300+ years, the Spanish barely settled in Argentina. In fact they settled in Chile much more (Capitania de Chile had much more population). Argentina was too cold and extreme, especially the Pampas in winter with the cold winds and Patagonia all year round, plus the severe storms.
So the population density of natives compared to the rest of the americas, including North America, was negligible. In the 1850s and only then mass migration started, and for 100 years till the 1950s 7 million Europeans and middle easterners arrived.
Now you tell me what happens to the genetics of 200k one one type when swamped by 7 million of another type.
Warming to British : you may have to use your brain.
What a truly disgusting diatribe.
You appear to be excusing the Spanish colonisation of the Americas on the grounds that they 'didn't do an Auschwitz deal on them'. In fact it wasn't colonisation at all, because you killed them in battle, right?
Then you say you weren't colonising them because they consented, or didn't resist. Well what were they doing fighting in battles then?
Then you appear to say it's OK if the Pope gives it to you. Well he wasn't their Pope, you moron.
I guess this is another of those irregular verbs;
You colonise
We annex
They joyfully cede their territory and become part of the glorious Republic of Argentina
This forum is full of idiots, but for sheer mind numbing stupidity, you deserve a prize.
Timerman did not fall into the trap set by the UK.
Timerman was right. British citizens on the islands are represented in London. They planted a colony. There are a nation. No English fell into the trap. The committee supports UN decolonization to Argentina. Timerman met with international law to comply with UN resolutions.
See the following link:
en.mercopress.com/2012/06/16/c24-chair-calls-falklands-referendum-political-ploy-praises-argentine-president
All Argentine and Latin American and the rest of the English-speaking world are proud as our President Cristina Fernandez Kirchner and Foreign Minister Hector Timerman defend our rights over the Malvinas Argentinos against colonialism, racism and imperialism of the 21st century.
They support this claim such important bodies as the UN Assembly Resolution 2065, the decolonization committee UN, OAS, CELAC, UNASUR and MERCOSUR and several Nobel Peace Prizes as Adolfo Perez Esquivel, Mairead Corrigan Maguire of Northern Ireland, the Guatemalan Rigoberta Menchu Tum, the Desmond Tutu, Jody Williams of the U.S., and Iranian Shirin Ebadi
Read the following link.
“Six Nobel Peace Prize require the United Kingdom to resume negotiations over sovereignty”
www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=630397.
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Have eyes and not see, has heard sy not hear.
!It seem to you that the Nobel Peace prizes are fans!
Actually you are in favor of violence and genocide.
Take 'Nostrol' for example. He clearly knows little about true life in Argentina, and his opinions inform his history, not history informing his opinions. He seems to think 'annexation' through the brutal massacre of foreign tribes, followed by their brutal oppression is in some way morally better than colonisation. He actually feels it is okay to annex entities in this way, because of his adherence to a culture that reinforces 'theft' as being a good thing.
Semantics aside, as we are really talking about the opression of peoples and repression of their self-determination, which we all know to be 'morally' wrong by the meters of western culture.
Nostrol will not be able to understand this, because his main concern, like Timmerman's is in the continuous theft of other people's property. They're not concerned about the people themselves, because that's not in the way they think. They're pathological incapable or conditioned to ignore the feelings of the people they steal from, and ignoring them is simply a factor in this.
Raul on the other hand is just a block-head who repeats the same tripe over and over without actually reading any of the responses, because he's not capable of constructing arguments to deal with the questions that result from his copypasta.
They're interesting.
No idea what you are getting at, your syntax is so bad.
If you kill ONE person because of his/her ethnicity, you are comitting an act of genocide.
Our great hero, Julio Argentino Roca, was responsible for slaughtring 1.300 indigenous persons in battle simply because they were indigenous!!!!!!
He then slapped 20.000 of them into concentration camps where large numbers died from TB, smallpox, diptheria, etc. This also is genocide!!!!!!
0.5th generation immigrants are always like this, same old nonsense.
47 DJ56
Pathetic and pitiful. I have no fault to be supporters of racism, colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century.
May God help them both
Armed aggression did not work, ranting on about colonialism, imperialism and racism, is certainly not going to work, even if you come to London to do it. The Islanders sovereignty is not for negotiation. It's that simple.
Your Quote “When you go to war and win, I think you Brits of all people agree, any territorial gains stand”
You are correct because we have been trying to tell you but you do not understand.
The issue here is that because of Latin American Chauvenism and their adherence to the Great White Malvinas Myth, the argentines don't seem to realise they lost the war.
They failed at war, they failed at friendship, they failed at whinging... what's next?
You do seem, like many of your compatriots, to have difficulties with relating words to underlying concepts. What you are describing is a process that is different from a colonization process only in its final outcome. All colonies got their independence in the end.
“Argentina has never colonized anyone's land. It annexed in war, through treaties, and by purchases. Very different.”
Thanks for clearing that up. Just in case anyone was in any doubt that you were deluded scum, it is now very clear.
”Went to war with Brazil and won ( Brazil lost Uruguay and most of Iguazu Falls ) “ Went to war with the United Kingdom and lost.” The following are my words .
Correct, but you lost so UK keeps the FALKLAND ISLANDS.
Please keep up you can't be consistent can you.
Liars..
It is argentina who planted Argies in Patagonia,
This is British, and always have been, and argentina stole it,
Give it back,
We demand you talk to us,
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If you can//we can ??
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...And thinks Saddam Hussein's Iraq is the moral equivalent of Poland in WW2. A disgusting excuse for a human being. His white washing genocide as “annexation” and such while pretending to be a pure indigenous South American is just one more obscenity.
I agree in part with you. Armed aggression did not work. Argentines know very well with the four British attacks in 1806-1807-1833-1845. You know very well that the principle of self-determination does not apply to the conflict of sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. He clearly expressed in the resolutions of the UN General Assembly and the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations.
52 golfcronie
53 Hangar-time
The war does not give rights.
It is the doctrine Varela From this perspective, argued that Varela had to demonstrate solidarity with the fallen, renouncing the fruits of victory-territorial attitude as the Argentine foreign minister also pointed Brazil should adopt a policy and “Americanism” and recognition of the survivors.
The Argentine Carlos Saavedra Lamas Nobel Peace Prize in 1936, applied the doctrine and stopped the war between Paraguay and Bolivia.
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Saavedra_Lamas
www.argentina-rree.com/6/6-048.htm
54 HansNiesund
Quite the contrary. You are always having trouble twisting legal and historical interpretations, regardless of social processes and the context or historical context in which it develops colonialism, racism and imperialism in English 500 years of history and seek to keep it in the 21st century .
The Right to Self Determination does apply, you can try your dogma on the UN if you like? but it aint gonna wash! least of all with the mature democratic nations of the world
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The FALKLAND ISLANDERS have the FALKLANDS and they intend to keep them despite all the hyperbole spouted on here.
You say that ARGENTINA is a democratic country, you vote for who you want to run your country as the the FALKLAND ISLANDERS want to vote who they want to run their country. They have their own Government.
thats why you are running scared.
@ 59
The Falkland Islanders have and intend to keep them despite all the gushing hyperbole here.
You say ARGENTINA is a democratic country, you vote for who want to run their country as the Falkland Islanders want to vote who they want to run their country. They have their own government.
You do not want to understand this concept.
The islanders are precisely British English. They have a democracy like that if they lived in London. Their representatives are in London. Not a country. No country recognizes them as.
They have their own government.
Of course I have. But is subject or depend London. Not a country. They have a governor imposed by London. Clearly they are a colony. The Decolonization Committee of the United Nations, in its resolutions, it is very clear to classify them as a colony.
They are a colony established in 1833 to oust the Argentine who lived there.
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