Wednesday, February 6th 2013 - 18:50 UTC

Timerman comments on the Falkland Islanders and Jewish settlers ‘offend’ MPs

British Member of Parliament Alun Cairns, and a member of the All Party Group on Argentina, said he was offended by some the comments made by Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman during their meeting to discuss the Falklands issue on Tuesday in the House of Commons.

MP Cairns blasted Timerman for dismissing Falkland Islanders self-determination on the obscure reason that it's a territory rather than a country or a nation

”Effectively, he (Timerman) dismissed the right of self-determination to the Falkland Islanders on the obscure reason that it's a territory rather than a country or a nation“ said MP Cairns.

The Conservative Tory MP for the Vale of Glamorgan and Welsh Assembly member also said he took offence at Mr Timmerman's comments comparing the Islanders with the Israeli settlers in the West Bank.

Dismissing the referendum as illegal Timerman said “it is something that doesn't mean anything because if you ask the colonial people who came with a colonial power and replaced the people who were living in the Islands, it is asking the British citizens of the Malvinas Islands if they want to remain British”.

Timerman likened it to asking only new Jewish settlers in the Occupied Territories if they want to remain Israeli.

The Argentine minister also surprised the MPs when asked about developing relations with the Islanders as a way of reaching a settlement. “I don't have to persuade them. The United Nations says there is a conflict between the United Kingdom and Argentina. I don't have to persuade anybody. We have to apply international law and accept the resolutions, if not the UN becomes a body that is only useful when it backs the powerful.”

Likewise he said that “nobody is interested in changing the way of life for the inhabitants of the Malvinas”, adding that “what we do believe is that the 5-thousand square kilometers that are in dispute should be resolved and they (the British government) shouldn't continue to put off talks or make excuses over who should be seated at the table.”

Timerman had been due to meet with Foreign Secretary William Hague, but last week Timerman refused to accept that Falkland Islands representatives should be present if the Falklands’ issue was to be considered in the talks.

Hague later declined Minister Timerman request for a one-on-one meeting, and insisted on bringing in members of the Falkland Islands Government, which Argentina does not recognize as legitimate

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1 briton (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Aircraft carrier's bridge heads to sea
The barge will set out on its real journey tomorrow – to return in two years time in control of the world’s most advanced aircraft carrier
We to are offended,
Enough is enough,
Today I lose respect for a supposed government that claims one thing, and then blatantly abuses British citizens,
Come on Britain, tell them where to go,
2 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
He's not here asking for talks, he's here to present demand and that will not go down well. One thing for certain, he has made everyone here realise what a travesty it would be to have British subjects governed by lunatics like this!

Well done Mr Timmerman, you have strengthened the resolve of the UK more than you will ever know.
3 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Lol illegal aliens can't have a referendum, are Mexicans in USA and gypsys in UK given the chance to have a referendum or are they just deported? O sure maybe white people get a better deal under the UN of white people, give us a break how stupid do this idiots think we are, it is at times like this that one thinks that political assassination is the best way to deal with corrupt leaders. UK is a joke full of racist Muslim haters.
4 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
And as if by magic another fine example of that great nation appears on here to let us know just why it will never happen.

5 andy65 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter Like your Mr Timerman you are making YOURSELF look STUPID
6 briton (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
harassment is illegal,
This argie politician should have been arrested.

Full stop,
Down with argie dictatorship,

you still duck the truth,
supply the list we asked for or soddy offy back to the loony bin.
7 yankeeboy (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
Timmerman's trip to the UK is the best thing to happen for the Falkland's since they discovered oil!
All he does is embarrass himself and his country
Keep going Timmy!!
8 Pugol-H (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
@ 3 Pirat-Hunter
How about a referendum in Patagonia then, only for the Native people though, the Naroqshe population implanted 130 years ago have no right to vote of course, they are Spanish settlers.
9 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
#3. If you had any ship that was capable of going anywhere without getting impounded or even floating, I would be raking you with broadsides as soon as you left harbour (which the Rg navy was frightened to do in 1982) The difference is that the Falklanders are on THEIR ISLANDS legally without murdering the indiginous population like your Argentines ancestors. If you are a Pirate Hunter Timerman has a pork pie for a brain instead of a walnut ( I am not sure about that?)
10 briton (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
if violence erups, they would have deserved everything they may yet get.
11 Rufus (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
@3 PH
Both the Romanichal and the Welsh Kale are quite entitled to register and vote in the UK.
Please don't feel that just because Argentina has a dismal record for systematically abusing minorities that everyone else does too.
12 GFace (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
I suspect this may also quietly offend Palestinians. This really was a sad straw to grab just to curry favor with the left.
13 jeffski (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
This man has shown nothing but disrespect and arrogance towards the UK and Islanders. Who the fuck is he to say the islanders have no rights, who is he to say that the islands will be Argentinas, little lying runt who should of been thrown out the country. His behaviour is totally unacceptable and the UK should voice it's anger to the highest Argentine authority. The UN should be informed that there will be no talks in the future as they were offered then declined and that the referendum in March is the final say in the matter. Now fuck off back to your cesspit of a corrupt broken country Timerman and take that ugly cow of a ambassador with you and don't ever step foot on UK territory again you twat.
14 andy65 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
@yankeeboy, Totally agree with you would love to see old Crissy fire him when he returns home-LOL I think he might have flown British Aiways also, going to be a long flight home
15 HansNiesund (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
Let's not be too hard on Hector. He's afflicted with Malvinas Syndrome, a system of delusions among which is the belief that being an arsehole will get you somewhere.
16 screenname (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
@3 Parrot-Junta: 'illegal aliens can't have a referendum'

You have admitted Argentinians are not natives of South America. By Argentinian logic all Argetinian immigration policy has been illegal and the aliens should have no say in the democratic process.

Referendum for SA natives ONLY, and let them decide if Argentinian userpers can stay. Will the last European out of Argentina (or whatever nations the natives decide to create from the phoney Euro-construct Argentina) hand the keys back to the natives.

All Latins Back to Southwest Europe.
17 Pugol-H (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
@ 3 Pirat-Hunter
Just so you know, “Naroqshe” is what the real owners of Argentina call you murdering, thieving, raping, white trash Dago planters, that robbed them of everything.

But you don’t get the Falklands because the British, unlike Atahualpa, have more than just bows and arrows with which to defend their territory.
18 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
#13 Tinman is actually a brilliant comedy act. Just right for Louis Theroux or Borat to interview. He should come back regularly. I would love to see Paxman dealing with him, he would look even more stupid.
After his visit it is now crystal clear what a knob he actually is. No diplomatic skills whatsoever, no cogent arguments, full of hyperbole and bluster but actually nothing in his arsenal at all. If that's the best he's got its as useless as a limp Willy.
Looking at a picture of KFC reminds me - I must remember to dubin my walking boots.
19 ynsere (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
HansNiesund @ 15

Indeed the petulance of current Argentine discourse, not only in politics but also in everyday dialogue, has been the subject of many articles in local newspapers.
20 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
18 CaptainSilver

The list goes on and on doesn't it???

Louis Theroux meets..........

Ali G in da House........

A good one would be “The Paxman interview”

Or “Jon Snow's News”

Or even ( dare I say it? Dare I???? ) They should invite him on question time. Now there is TV history in the making!!!!
21 Idlehands (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
Paxman isn't actually a great interviewer - he just turns it into a bun fight. A great interviewer lulls and lures his subject into a mistake.
22 briton (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
CFK and tinman
both of the gutter type,

lying cheating sniveling cowards,
23 Tim (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
12 GFace (#) It is highly likely he has offended the Palestinians seeing as he is of the Jewish faith; most likely non-practicing as they wouldn't even want him in the synagog.
24 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
#5 well being stupid can't be worst then bing a thieve, a murderers or a coward.
#8 everyone in Argentina voted for CFK to show you people how little you know, and I predict she will be re-elected again weather you like it or not.
#6 and the pirates in Malvinas Argentina could be hunted down and shot for a small reward in pesos, good thing that cool head prevail, for now! I give you the list when the illegal aliens in Malvinas Argentina finally go home, Untill then sit quietly and bear with me.
#7 a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina can put an end to the embarrassing moments I am sure.
#8 they vote every year and last time they voted for CFK. You must be talking about Chile and the mapuches or maybe you think Patagonia is like Irland or scotland to UK, nothing like thqt, it's all full of sheep's.
#9 switch your nick to the brutish hypocrite.
#10 british thieves, squatters and murderers do deserve it, a reward in pesos for the skin can go a long away hunting this illegal aliens down.
#11 but they can't have their own flag in their city lol
#13 I am happy Timmerman gived the brits exactly what they deserv, too bad UK decided to offend us Argentine's, now they know what do to others as they done to you means. Lol back to catechism dear brut.
#15 he must have learned to become an arshole when he got of the airport in London.
#16 lol come get us out CaMoron, I am Argentine I never denied my nationality like an implanted illegal aliens from UK, I have documents that say I am Argentinae, you guy don't even have a country but a colony sorry you are not a nation, just a hill billy with no diapers. I checked fakland is worst then Cuba you got to order diapers from the Internet or pay duble.
#17 that's why we support a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina.
#18 you got to love a good diplomat doing his job.
#19 no publicity is ever bad publicity. Strategy is the key to stay in the spot light.
25 andy65 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
@pirat-Hunter re electing The Botox Queen means nothing to us but clearly shows how stupid you people are, always remember you get what you vote for so if you have not learnt after 8 years you only have yourself to blame if you believe things will get better well don't hold your breath-While the good people of The Falkland Islands continue to prosper Argentines suffer under a nasty Peronist self centered lieing governmant.
26 briton (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
everyone in Argentina voted for CFK
[][ name just 50 out of 40 million.
and the pirates in Malvinas Argentina could be hunted down and shot,
[who by ] and how many ships do you have,..
a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina,
[][ you cant even name the ingredients ][]

British thieves, squatters and murderers,
[][ prove it, just one piece of evidence ..
I am happy Timmerman give the brits exactly what they deserve
[][ all he gave was liars and bullshit,,, , its all over your papers.]],,,,,,
Come get us out CaMoron, I am Argentine

when and if you ever pluck up the balls to invade again, WE WILL .
At least you are safe in Canada.
Aint that true ..

27 Conqueror (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:58 pm Report abuse
@3 You have a point. Are there any volunteers to assassinate the so-called argie “government”? Don't all rush forward at once. Please form an orderly queue. But you will be able to launch a cruise missile and guide it to any place one of the cowards might be hiding.
@24 Your points. One by one. Being a thief, murderer and coward, you would know. No they didn't. Thanks for that statement of intended murder. But we will BEHEAD any argie. Or do I mean every argie. Go “home” and build your “nuclear defence program”. Blow yourself up! We have a long history of sticking heads on spikes. Ah, yes. Their city. Buenos Aires after we've exterminated the bacteria. He was a shit. Like all argies. Just defensive when he got to London. Must have been a shock to see a real city. Don't want you “out”. Intend to put you “down”. Inside the next 20 years, you will be “stateless”. Hague is good. Who was that no-hoper who wanted to meet him? Publicity for argieland is all “good”. Now shown to be cowardly, dishonest, foolish, larcenous, mendacious, puerile, queer, xenophobic wankers.
28 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
I'm picturing Borat when I think of Timmerman meeting with sensible MPs from sensible nations.

29 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
Get the idiot on the BBC 6 o'clock news and get someone who actually knows the history of the Falklands in and let them rip the tosser apart for the all the nation to see!

This prat does not have my respect and I am ashamed our government has been limp wristed and let the tool in the country. Expel him, and his cronies with a firm boot up the backside!
30 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:18 pm Report abuse
#25 ask Argentines how the last 8 years have being compared to prior 2002 joker.
#26 and you must be in Malvinas Argentina I guess to be talking so much trash, It don't mater no one cares.
31 andy65 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 12:40 am Report abuse
@30 Pirat-Hunter The only jokers are your dear lady leader and all her cronies, now instead of keep supplying useless links can you find any press reports even from Argentina that are saying WELL DONE HECTOR your doing a great job in London and proving your case???? I'm waiting
32 Idlehands (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:55 am Report abuse
Love your “axisoflogic” link. If you don't know the difference between nuclear armed and nuclear powered submarines you shouldn't really be writing articles on the matter. Try and find a single credible source that proves the UK has threatened Argentina with nuclear weapons. It's the most idiotic propaganda I've seen and that's up against some pretty stiff competition.
33 Xect (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:56 am Report abuse
There's zero to worry about, Tinman has absolutely embarrassed himself and utterly destroyed the Argentina position by refusing to talk about all of the spiel about talking and 'giving peace a chance'

Tinman has raised the issue with our MP's less familiar with the situation and shown how utterly disrespectful and aggressive he is to the small nation that is the Falkland's. Now if history should of taught him anything is the British dig their feet in and are always ready to fight for a cause when needed and all Tinman has done is shown the British MP's the people of the Falkland Island's need British might to keep these cowards and bullies away.

Essentially this is just another Tinman blunder session.......
34 Idlehands (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:02 am Report abuse

Lanacion doesn't seem too impressed with his antics

Translate here:
35 agent999 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:13 am Report abuse
Does anyone know the outcome of his meeting at the IMO ?
36 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:27 am Report abuse
@34 sure they seem to agree with the UK press that he's a bag of nuts.
37 Gordo1 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:49 am Report abuse
Pirat Hunter - in which mental health institution are you interned? Your babbling is that of a very sick person. How many times a day do they release you from your strait jacket. Immediately after you have taken your medication?

I think the authorities in the institution should deny you use of a laptop as you are making Argentina look even more foolish than it already is! But, still you must be in good care because Argentina has more psychiatrists per head of population than any other country in the world - at least you are No. 1 in something.
38 Hepatia (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
Since representative Cairns does not explain why comparing the British citizens who are squatting on Argentinian territory to Israeli West Bank squatters (aka settlers) is offensive to him we can only speculate. I admit that I cannot imagine why Cairns would find this comparison offensive.
39 Ozgood (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
34 Idlehands (#)

Beware of mechanical translators. They work if the translator knows the language otherwise the outcome will be gobbledegook.

I shall look at this and see if I can make sense
40 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
@38 Sorry, we couldn't hear you above the screams of the ethnically cleansed patagonians who you ethnically cleansed, during only one of the few exhibitions of ethnic cleansing in your nation's history, currently celebrated on your bank notes, so could you type your message again?

Are you pushing pregnant brown people under trains there in Argentina?
41 wangito (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:43 pm
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42 Raul (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
Excellent reflection!

Dismissing the referendum as illegal Timerman said “it's something that means nothing, because if you ask people who came with colonial colonial power and changed the people living in the islands, calling on the British Falkland Islands Islands if they want to remain British. ”

Timerman likened to request only new Jewish settlers in the occupied territories if they want to remain Israeli.

Timerman is right. They can not be English in Argentina.
43 reality check (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
Well there are certainly no Argentinians in the Falklands and never likely to be any either.
44 ynsere (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
I thought Argentine tourists were allowed in?
45 DJ56 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
Tinman is only here as a cheap publicity stunt: it's a shame that he was allowed in.
46 reality check (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
I expect they are, until some Malvanista idiot ruins that too.
47 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
I love how he doesn't link Israeli settlers to the Conquest of the Desert, which would be a far closer comparison.

Did you get your pound of flesh, Timmerman?
48 Simon68 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
43 reality check (#)
Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:03 pm

Wron, there are 29 Argentine residents in the Falklands, according to the latest census, several of them are on the electoral rolls, and are expected to vote for YES in the referendum!!!!!!

For the information of my compatriots of the malvinista persuasion, the demographic make up of the Falklands population is that there are over 60 racial types, so calling them a British “implanted” population is a bit ridiculous!!!!!
49 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
30 Pirat-Hunter
and thats why no one cares when you post such rubbish.
50 Tim (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
48 Simon68 (#). Your figures are correct.
51 simona55zhivago (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
no ones cares what the UK team post in Merco-british shit- press!
52 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
so why are you on here,

because you have no where better to go,

and as we are the best,
you come here.
53 Tim (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
The Enlish, the Enlish, the English are best and I wouldn't give tuppence for any of the rest....
54 wangito (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 01:09 am Report abuse
Finally we know who is the real culprit!!!
It's Israel of course!!!
55 Tim (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 05:18 am Report abuse
What this arse hole Timmerman doesn't know (or doesn't want to know) is that the supposed Argentine population consisted of a garrison of 20 people sent in October 1832 from Argentina and were asked to leave at the beginning of February 1833 by the British. The ship from the UK sailed before this garrison was even in place (over three months of sailing from Plymouth) and it was in response to the Lexington incident (USA) which had evicted Vernet and his crew.
56 Hepatia (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:16 pm Report abuse Lets assume for a minute that all that you have said is true: So, what is your point?
57 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
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58 lost1 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
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