Thursday, February 7th 2013 - 09:12 UTC

Audacity and tolerance: Who can imagine Hague publicly lobbying the Falklands’ case in Buenos Aires?

An Argentine columnist has found two great virtues: audacity and tolerance in Foreign Minister Hector Timerman current incursion in London to lobby and argue in favour of the most intransigent of Argentina’s position on the Falklands’ dispute.

British Parliament, the scenario for Argentina’s presentation of its Malvinas case

“We must acknowledge Timerman audacity to travel to London and display in public the most hard-line position of Argentina in the Malvinas dispute”, writes Martin Rodriguez Yebra in La Nacion.

But he also admits and has praise for British tolerance.

“Can anybody imagine what would happen if PM David Cameron or any of his Secretaries (Foreign Secretary William Hague) came to Buenos Aires to argue publicly in favour of some of his ‘sabre-rattling’ statements on the need to fill the South Atlantic with arms?”, asks the Argentine columnist.

In the column under the heading of “A game in which only Britain wins”, Rodriguez Yebra argues that Timerman returns to Argentina with not much of a diplomatic advance in the Falkland Islands dispute, but yes for the government of President Cristina Fernandez facing non-sweet moments and for which playing the Malvinas nationalistic chord is a common resource for deteriorating regimes.

Telling UK in London that within 20 years the Falklands will be flying the Argentine flag, calling them ‘colonialists’, arguing that “not one country” supports UK’s position and that the country is going through a deep economic crisis and is isolating itself from the world, is only but a further step to ensure that negotiating the disputed Islands sovereignty becomes impossible.

And in the exchange of intransigent speeches and statements, Britain always wins, since the objective of London is for all to remain unchanged, says Rodriguez Yabra.

According to the columnist Timerman mission had two main objectives: display in rival territory the strong international support for the Argentine position in the dispute.

The other more relevant to weaken the effect of the ‘curious’ referendum scheduled for March when the ‘British inhabitants from Malvinas will vote…if they want to continue to be British”

But so far Argentina, leaving aside ‘lip-service’, has not managed to increase diplomatic support for the Malvinas cause, maybe except in Latinamerica and some emerging countries. The US remains “neutral” (but with a tacit support of Britain’s position) and Europe never questioned (and even supported with EC legislation and aid) UK sovereignty over the Islands.

Furthermore the recent turn in Argentine diplomacy reaching an understanding with Iran on the investigation into a 1994 attack of a Jewish organization in Buenos Aires comes as a surprise: it is a regime sanctioned by the main developed countries, and this can hardly help to make friends on the Malvinas issue.

However Casa Rosada is satisfied with the display the UK media has given to Timerman trip and interview-space to criticize UK policy. The impact was greater because he took the discussion to Parliament even when he denied self determination and insisted Argentina will continue to ignore the people of the Falklands and the March referendum, which also generated reaction among MPs.

To ease tensions after calling MPs ‘colonialists’, Timerman thanked Britain for its sacrifice during World War II and tried to force the idea that sovereignty dialogue “is possible and necessary’. And on leaving Westminster he made it a point of displaying to photographers the V for victory with his fingers.

But it is a game of two and the British government downplayed the Timerman mission by saying that when Foreign Secretary William Hague meets him, when addressing Falklands’ issues political representatives from the Islands should be present.

Argentina could never accept such a condition. With the exception of Menem and Di Tella’s years any negotiations on Malvinas can only be bilateral. So dialogue with the UK Government was impossible.

Finally even if the Malvinas issue returns empty handed, there are more imminent and palpable results: this will help President Cristina to revive again the Malvinas nationalistic reflex, a tactic that has always fascinated Argentine governments in moments of bad news and distress.

So given the imminence of the Falklands referendum that has Cristina Fernandez government nervous, “more incidents and episodes of this kind can be expected in the coming weeks”, forecasts Rodriguez Yabra.

For PM Cameron, even when the conflict has less impact in his domestic agenda, he can nevertheless enjoy the effects of the efficient propaganda machinery that represents reaffirming the diplomatic, political and military defence of the Falklands.

Thus the need to acknowledge Timerman’s audacity to display in London the least negotiable case of Argentina’s Malvinas claims. But at the same time British tolerance: can anybody imagine PM Cameron or cabinet members publicly displaying UK’s Falklands’ case in Buenos Aries?
 

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1 HansNiesund (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:25 am Report abuse
Hector did a fabulous job of presenting the Argentine case in all its self-obsession, dishonesty, nastiness, and illogicality. Clearly the right man for the job.
2 Anglotino (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:30 am Report abuse
”But so far Argentina, leaving aside ‘lip-service’, has not managed to increase diplomatic support for the Malvinas cause, maybe except in Latinamerica and some emerging countries. The US remains “neutral” (but with a tacit support of Britain’s position) and Europe never questioned (and even supported with EC legislation and aid) UK sovereignty over the Islands.“

I've yet to find any member of the Commonwealth of Nations who don't support the UK's position. That's another 53 countries right there. Add that to the EU and that's 79 countries. 40% of the UN and didn't even involve running around the world holding press conferences to announce.

”For PM Cameron, even when the conflict has less impact in his domestic agenda, he can nevertheless enjoy the effects of the efficient propaganda machinery that represents reaffirming the diplomatic, political and military defence of the Falklands.”

Hmmm propaganda. Really? If the truth is propaganda then yes. Much more effective than Argentina propaganda that's for sure.

The article is right though, this trip was quite an own-goal by Argentina. But they really are running out of options to placate the masses.
3 Gordo1 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:38 am Report abuse
“But at the same time British tolerance: can anybody imagine PM Cameron or cabinet members publicly displaying UK’s Falklands’ case in Buenos Aires?”

Britain would never do that for the simple reason that Britain has already reiterated its position and there is no need to travel to Argentina to emphasise it.

I am sure Hague would be willing to go to Argentina at any time but the agenda would have to be agreed beforehand so that when they actually sit down then will be no untoward interruptions such as those caused by Timerman in London.
4 HansNiesund (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:40 am Report abuse
“ .... but a further step to ensure that negotiating the disputed Islands sovereignty becomes impossible”

You have to wonder if this wasn't the real objective. Or are they really this clueless?
5 Xect (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:01 am Report abuse
Its funny to watch how desperate and sad the Argentine government is with these cheap, worthless stunts whilst London simply sits back and controls the situation with diplomatic ease.

This is why the UK sits in a very powerful position in all global affairs and Argentina languishes in the gutter.

Nothing ever changes eh? No matter how many promises the Argentinian government spuriously makes.
6 Trunce (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:18 am Report abuse
“But so far Argentina, leaving aside ‘lip-service’, has not managed to increase diplomatic support for the Malvinas ”

Timermans mission could be summerised -

Fizzzzz...........................phut

Another damp squib.
7 Rufus (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:24 am Report abuse
“thanked Britain for its sacrifice during World War II”

Now that's a bit rich, coming from the Foreign Minister of a country that was happily profiteering through most of the war, and only deciding to join in once the US and British Armies were over the Rhine in the West, and the Red Army was over the Oder in the East.

It must be a demonstration of the paramount martial skill of Argentina that within 40 days of them declaring war, the Soviets were flying the hammer and sickle over the Reichstag.
8 reality check (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:31 am Report abuse
Well his trip was not a total waste. Let's face it, the Falkland Islanders have come out of this with a bonus. The world, through the UK press, will have now seen the true face of Argentinas Government.

Declining discussions was a mistake by Timmerman.

Stating that the Islanders do not exist and do not have the same rights as the other peoples of the UN, was, well frankly, a mistake of monumental proportions.
9 Pirate Love (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:45 am Report abuse
Status Quo..... :)

how long can Argentinas nazi reich appease its long suffering people, with its Falkland distraction tactic from matters that really do cause daily hardship??

how much is the peso to the dollar today?
how much is the daily food basket per person :) ?
what is argentinas REAL inflation?
daily power cuts, strikes, protests.
Argentines will be fooled once again!


Heres to The Falklands first democratic free and fair referendum under their UN right of SELF-DETERMINATION!
10 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:24 am Report abuse
Last night - England 2 Brazil 1

Yesterday - England 42 Argentina 0

Anticipated result in Falklands Referendum UK Falklands 2800 Argentina 14

Freedom and SELF DETERMINATION for everyone

Grow up Argentina
11 Idlehands (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:26 am Report abuse
The English rugby team is touring Argentina in June (at the same time as the Lions tour so it'll be a 2nd 15) The foreign office is already advising them that they need to take precautions for their own safety.

Would be interesting to see a bar/bun fight between them and a bunch of demented malvinistas. One look from Haskell or Lawes would have them crying for their mummys.
12 Pirate Love (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
@11 im thinking more like a stitch up of one of the players, argentina style, if its nazi government has anything to do with it.....
“excuse me sir is this my cocaine that i have just planted in your pocket?”
or a la campora all night party outside their hotel all night every night.

its argentina would you rule out anything?
13 reality check (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:51 am Report abuse
All I can say is, if they start mixing in the Malvinas political shit with the tour, then the guys should be allowed to decide whether to play or not, without fear of censure.
Otherwise good luck guys, enjoy the tour.
14 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:53 am Report abuse
The Empty Chair

Here they talked of revolution
Here it was they lit the flame
Here they sang about tomorrow
And tomorrow never came.
15 Viva Las Falklands (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
Tinman in putting the V for Victory sign up probably misunderstood the sign that passersby were making to him with the hand turned the other way in the style of Agincourt.
16 Idlehands (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 12:15 pm Report abuse
Hope you can sing it better than the muppet playing Marius in the movie. He kept shifting into falsetto for no apparent reason other than because he was struggling with it.
17 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 12:24 pm Report abuse
This was the diplomatic equivalent of shooting yourself in one foot, then stumbling over shooting yourself in the other, and then falling into the corner and shooting yourself in the neck.

Watching it was a lot of fun, and I'll miss it when the roadshow has left.
18 Simon68 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
The whole Timerman road show to London was a pretty cool diplomatic move from CFK's point of view. She (or Timerman) realize that the referendum in March will be the end of any possibility of getting the Falklands, so the game plan has to be changed, populist governments need the “Malvinas lie” to blow smoke in the eyes of the Argentine people so having made sure that the Brits are “the bad guys” in the eyes of the plebs with the London show, now CFK knows there is NO WAY that Argentina can get the Islands and therefore she has them as a smoke screen for ever more!!!!!!
19 Rufus (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
@10 Captain

I think you may be being a bit optimistic for the no vote. I think I can predict with reasonable certainty that there will be more inadvertently spoilt ballots than there will be no votes from all of those Falkland Islanders who don't exist...
20 agent999 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
“Timerman thanked Britain for its sacrifice during World War II”

In the same way as they supported the Nazis

www.consortiumnews.com/1999/c010699a.html
www.greyfalcon.us/The Real Odessa.htm

but of course our world famous historian Herr Gott my not agree !
21 ElaineB (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
@18 Yes, CFKC has been ramping up the anti-British diatribe. No wonder tourism is dropping. I love the country of Argentina and have had many happy times there with great Argentine friends but I would not recommend it as a holiday destination at the moment. I visit for other reasons.
22 Rufus (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
@20 agent999

I think that depends on what his former KGB (and probably now FSB) handlers tell him to think.
23 Tobers (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
I made this same point the other day. Argentina would have been histerical with rage had Britain done what Argentina did. Politicians from across the board of course all the news media etc. It would have been fireworks! Regardless of political colours and if we excuse -the empty chair- stunt Britain gave an excellent display in the art of diplomacy.

@Simon

Slighty off topic but I was reading about the Dirty War recently. Can I ask what you think the true figure is for the number of -the disappeared-?
24 Conqueror (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 01:31 pm Report abuse
@18 I'm a little surprised at your view. Accepting the domestic usage, what about the international aspect? Can the situation not now be characterised as a homeowner's “bank” entering negotiations with a potential buyer without consulting the homeowner, even though the home is owned outright? My assumption is that approximately 40% of your population is like yourself. Intelligent, sane, sensible. Whilst there are 60% nationalistic nutters. Are you suggesting that the 60% are so far gone that even they won't be able to understand that their “government” is a useless joke? What's the point of all those silly “demonstrations”?
25 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 02:12 pm Report abuse
@5

Your premise is pathetic. The UK needs to do nothing because there is simply nothing it needs to as you are satisfied with the current arrangement.

A better example would be the trade dispute. The rest of the world feverishly trying, at the G2o (Cameron's rant), at the WTO (all the bogus cases brought against Argentina), through the IMF (with Germany, Italy, Spain, and the USA lobbying behind the scenes), in Mercosur summits (the other Mercosur nations), at EU-Mercosur or summit of the Americas meetings, USA, Canada, Europe, UK, etc trying to get freer trade with Mercosur....

And in ALL fronts Argentina has not even lifted a finger.

Why? We have what we want: no trade with any of you, no IMF oversight, no bowing to the rules you northern nations try to impose on us, and you've lost in every front (Ghana ship, IMF, debt-holdouts, etc).

The rest of the world cries and pouts, Argentina quietly demonstrates far superior skills in keeping the status quo in the debt, trade, and currency.

12 years almost now, and nothing has changed not matter what the rest of you nations do.

@7

Simple, not our war. Why should we have cared for you whatsoever? Would you have don the same for us? Really, lol.
26 Zethee (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
“Regardless of political colours and if we excuse -the empty chair- stunt Britain gave an excellent display in the art of diplomacy. ”

Yeah they really handled it well. Timerman was clearly outclassed, His goal here was obviously to stir up a storm over here and he was barely noticed apart from making himself look yet again like an idiot.

And the way Hague did it made it look just like an afterthought.
27 Rufus (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
@25 Nostril

The rest of the world warns, and warns, and warns, yes. But sooner or later the rest of the world will stop warning. And then bad things will happen.

Argentina might have lots of natural resources, but if you either don't have or can't maintain the equipment to actually process them then they're as much use as a fleet of destroyers that you don't dare exert too much because you can't get spare engine parts for.
28 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
25. And in ALL fronts Argentina has not even lifted a finger.

Except spending 10s of Millions U$ losing every case at ICSID, various Courts, world wide CFK hiding from the bailiffs so not to have anything repossessed.

Screeching and Screeching about Lemons and Beef bans in the USA

Twittering away on how unfair the world is to Argentina.

It is too bad you don't realize the tide has turned;
Price Controls that won't work
Bare Shelves
Depreciating Peso
30% inflation ( if you are lucky) but probably more
Huge Wage Protests
Multiple Navy ships that can't make it back to port
Soy and Corn paying for fuel

Everything is converging quite nicely
29 atk357 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
“Heavy Clouds....but ...no rain!” He and....the CFK don't know how to talk to the British.....that kind of speech will get them nowhere!
30 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
... with all this fiddling, it's difficult to know if 'rome' as completely burned yet or not.

I know they have nothing on the shelves in the supermarkets.
31 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
@27

So I guess you believe in self-determination, except for Argentine people. They have not such self-determination, they have to follow the demands of the entire world. Thank you for your honesty, better than most of the others here.

@28

And none of those, if true, are your problem aren't you?

@28
32 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
@4 Hans

““ .... but a further step to ensure that negotiating the disputed Islands sovereignty becomes impossible”

You have to wonder if this wasn't the real objective. Or are they really this clueless?”

From what I've seen and from the Ttoll posts, I'd agree with you - it looks like they want to insult and provoke the UK into withdrawing diplomatic relations with Argentina, and perhaps elicit an angry rebuke to Argentina as well.

They could play that up on the world stage.
33 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
@31 The people in Argentina have peronist-fascism, which is like self-determination but not at all like it, and is continuously imposed on them by their flawed culture.

You don't live in Argentina though; you abandoned it because it's a right sh!t hole full of shanty towns. This doesn't stop you idealising the life you abandoned there, because like most emigrants from argentina you feel guilty about the people you left behind who are currently having a pretty sh!t time under an authoritarian fascist government.

What were you saying again?
34 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
Toby, I think you are confusing self determination with abiding by the treaties, contract, agreements you have signed and are in force. Argentina is legally obligated to the terms they agreed to and will be held accountable.
It is all coming to a head now as it takes a long time for the wheels of justice to work.
The tide has turned

I'm sure that is why you and CFK are hysterical

BTW I see there was another mud slide with hundreds of cars trapped on either side of the pass. Whatever happened to the new tunnel being built? I think Nestor announced it like a decade ago. Then it was a new rail tunnel announced by CFK 5 yrs ago.. yet no tunnels and lots of missing $ par for the course
Kinda hard to export when the pass is closed.
Is it the 1800s again?
35 Raul (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
Voices for a bilateral negotiation

SUPPORT GROUPS OF 18 EUROPEAN POSITION TO ARGENTINA concerning sovereignty Malvinas islands

Intellectuals, academics, political and social leaders, journalists and artists met in London with Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman. They signed a document criticizing the militarization of the South Atlantic.

See the following link:

www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-213418-2013-02-07.html
36 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
@19 Simon

”The whole Timerman road show to London was a pretty cool diplomatic move from CFK's point of view. She (or Timerman) realize that the referendum in March will be the end of any possibility of getting the Falklands, so the game plan has to be changed, populist governments need the “Malvinas lie” to blow smoke in the eyes of the Argentine people so having made sure that the Brits are “the bad guys” in the eyes of the plebs with the London show, now CFK knows there is NO WAY that Argentina can get the Islands and therefore she has them as a smoke screen for ever more!!!!!!”

Yes, CFK can blame the Brits or an 'inept' Timerman(again).
37 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
“The Parable of the Groups of 18 European

The Man of Timmer did ask the group in his own tongue, 'what groups doth though represent?' and the response was mute. They did not represent any group, but simply was representative of themselves. 'We are all from your city, Sir', said one with red hair.

That doth not do said the Man of Timmer, and did beggeth them to pretend to be from all the nations of the world, saying profanities of many a kind.”

A clip from upcoming book 'Please don't turn the lights on' by Kristina Kouldron Kirchner (1982)
38 Simon68 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
23 Tobers (#)
Feb 07th, 2013 - 01:08 pm

The truth is that nobody knows, the Human Rights organizations put it at about 30.000, the Junta put it at about 7.000, so I would say that it is probably around 10.000. But I must insist that this is only an educated guess.

24 Conqueror (#)
Feb 07th, 2013 - 01:31 pm

You must understand that the “international aspect” doesn't come into populist thinking, they only play to the local audience, and of that audience, the plebs!

I think your numbers are actually a bit skewed, I would put it at about 36% plebs who go along with the “government”, the ither 64% are distributed between the various contending opposition parties, and those that refuse to vote for any of the crooks who put themselves up as candidates!!!!!
39 Orbit (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
@35:

“Intellectuals, academics, political and social leaders, journalists and artists met in London with Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman”

Should read:

“Argentine intellectuals, academics, political and social leaders, journalists and artists, pretending to represent other countries, met in London with Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman”

Effectively a false flag situation, and worthy of looking at under the various Security Acts in this country.
40 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
“Intellectuals, academics, political and social leaders, journalists and artists met in London with Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman”

nobody that matters

They remind me of the crazy homeless people that scream, cry and beg on the street corners as all sane people cross the street to avoid them.
41 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
@40 you'd be amazed what some people would do for a meal and have someone to talk to them.
42 Tobers (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
Like another poster already mentioned here - in a region of 500 000 000 people thats the best that Timmerman could muster. When you factor in extensive promotion, an expenses paid trip, axes to grind, self publicity sought, it looks especially pathetic.
43 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
Here is a good summary of Timmermans 'gathering' in London by P. Pepper.

www.penguin-news.com/index.php?option=com_flexicontent&view=items&id=499:a-scam-conference-that-almost-worked-by-peter-pepper
44 Tobers (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
@Simon

Based on what Ive read from various sources Id say 30 000 was much too high but it seems to be the widely accepted figure...
45 Simon68 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
44 Tobers (#)
Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:31 pm

It is the figure accepted by our poor excuse for a government, and it's fanatical supporters, but I think that somewhere around 10.000 is more likely.

The other number that is unknown is the deaths caused by the terrorists prior to the March 24th 1976 coup. I've heard of about 750 to over a 1.000 but I really have no idea, because the military junta never gave out the number of personel killed in these actions.
46 Think (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

The ignorance of some of the Turnips in here is flabbergasting…..
Take for example Poster Nr. (2); Mr. Anglotino…..

He says….:
”I've yet to find any member of the Commonwealth of Nations who don't support the UK's position.”

I say….:
Well………….. what about the clear, official Pro-Argentinean stand of those Commonwealth Countries that happen to be members of the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC) like….:
Antigua and Barbuda…..
Bahamas…..
Barbados….
Belize…
Dominica…
Grenada…
Guyana…
Jamaica…
Saint Kitts and Nevis…
Saint Lucia…
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines…
Trinidad and Tobago…

Or the clear, official Pro-Argentinean stand of those Commonwealth Countries that happen to be members of the UN C24 Committee like….:
India…
Papua New Guinea…
Sierra Leone…
Tanzania…

Or the clear Pro-Argentinean stand of those Commonwealth Countries that happen to openly disagree with the UK’s colonial ambitions in the South Atlantic like….:
Bangladesh…
Botswana…
Mozambique…
Namibia…
South Africa…
Zambia…

Must take a lot of intelligence to be such a.......Turnip.
47 reality check (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
You donn't half talk a load of crap, know where Timmerman get's it from now!
48 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
Think, I would imagine all of those countries have representatives of some sort in London. I find it very odd with “their fervent support of Argentina's claim” not one of them showed up to support TImmerman in his failed, last ditch, feeble, embarrassment of a meeting.
I would say you are overly optimistic in your characterization of the support Argentina has from ANYONE OUTSIDE OF THE BOLIVARIAN SOCIALIST countries which is somelike having the combined support of North Korea, Iran and Syria. Whoopty do.
retard
49 HansNiesund (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
@46

How many of this are in favour of anything more than “dialogue” and “peaceful resolution” . ( I mean of course in the dictionary meaning of those terms rather than the Argentinian fantasy meaning)
50 reality check (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
Off the top of my head, he's wrong about Sierra Leone and Trinidad and Tobago. Not gonna look up any more, the usual suspects are there the others are just wishful thinking on his and their part!
51 Lou Spoo (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
@46 Dickhead!

Unless you can provide links to the official statements made by these countries supporting Argentina your claims have about as much worth as the Argentine Peso.

And I do mean statements made by THESE countries. Not some shite spouted by Timerman, Fernandez or Chavez claiming support.

So come on you pathetic cock knocker. Put up or shut up you!
52 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
Papua New Guinea…
Sierra Leone…
Tanzania…

UK better watch out with clout like this behind Argentina!!
53 Think (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
For gods sake, Turnips.....
Do NOT chech CELAC's homepage......
Do NOT chech the UN c24's homepage......

Reality could hit you hard!
54 reality check (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
Yankeeboy
UK happens to be extremely friendly with Sierra Leone, might have something to do with us helping them put an end to a god awful civil war, forces on them by federal gangs.
55 golfcronie (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
@46
Who cares, certainly not the FALKLAND ISLANDERS for Gods sake get a life. YOU CAN'T HAVE THE FALKLANDS end of
56 Lou Spoo (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
@53

Wow..........two worthless organisations. What about the offical statements from the countries you mentioned. Can't do it can you? Dick!
57 Think (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
Addendum to (46)

I forgot Fiji on that list…..

Sorry Fiji….. ;-)
58 HansNiesund (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
@53

There is no doubt that some countries do indeed favour Argentina's position. Let's consider a few examples in the form of a simple, turnip-friendly, easy to understand quiz.

1) CHINA supports Argentina's position with regard to the non-applicability of the principle of self-determination to contested territories because :
a) They find it terribly unfair that Argentina's thieves, rapists, murderers, and pirates were booted off somebody else's islands 200 years ago.
b) Tibet

2) RUSSIA supports Argentina's position with regard to the non-applicability of the principle of self-determination to contested territories because :
a) They find it terribly unfair that Argentina's thieves, rapists, murderers, and pirates were booted off somebody else's islands 200 years ago.
b) Chechnya

3) INDIA supports Argentina's position with regard to the non-applicability of the principle of self-determination to contested territories because :
a) They find it terribly unfair that Argentina's thieves, rapists, murderers, and pirates were booted off somebody else's islands 200 years ago.
b) Kashmir

etc, etc, etc.
59 reality check (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
Yankeeboy has a point, where was all this support in London think. What did you have 2 token Brits, an Irishman, a French and Italian woman, a Dutchman a couple of Swedes and numerous, numerous Argentine ex pats, purporting to be Europeans!

You can't even cheat properly, your so transparent the entire world press got to see straight through you.
60 Think (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

My post Nr.: (46) was in response to Ozzie Turnip Nr.: (2), Mr. Anglotino....

Time is about 06:00 AM in Sydney right now.....

You other Anglo Turnips will have to wait nicely in line.

That poor little sausage must be given a chance to wake up and answer.

Chuckle chuckle©
61 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
What time is it where ever you are Think? When was the last time you saw my side of the Ocean? The 70s?
Peso is back to 7.81/U$1 in case they aren't covering it in your local newspapers.
62 Lou Spoo (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
@57

LOL. Dipshit! Fiji supports the right of self determination, NOT the Argentine claim to the Falklands.

en.mercopress.com/2012/06/07/fiji-anticipates-support-for-the-c24-resolution-on-falklands-malvinas

Most of the 'support' you claim for Argentina is nothing but a fantasy. The support is for the islanders right to choose their own destiny.

As several posters have said before, once the islanders make their choice it will allow these countries to come down off the fence and finally pick a side. I guarantee it won't be the Argentina side. It won't even be the UK. It will be the islanders! And that is why Argentina is terrifed about the referendum.
63 Think (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
(61) Fred Bates, shoe salesman from Watchington, USA.
Watch your blood pressure, Freddy....
You should really eat less sugar....
Gained a couple of stones....
Haven't you...?
64 andy65 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
@60 Think I have said this to you before but will repeat it
Diplomats often play a game of LIP SERVICE which means telling someone something they wish to hear.Now your dear lady leader Kirchner as been prostituting herself around South America and the world for god knows how long begging for support,I use thec word begging because she is the one who always brings the subject up so most leaders say they support her just to shut her up its called LIP SERVICE do you really belive most of these countrys could give a rats ass about The Falkland Islands and your dear ladys dream of securing them one day??? ofcourse they don't, ask yourself to which countrys is Argentina inportant to??? what seats do they occupy at the top table in any major organisations??? you have very limited influance due to lack of co operation within South America,beyond that continent NOTHING.
Just get use to it NOTHING will be changing this whole stupid exercise as cost the Argentine tax payer dearly money that could have been spent on the 25% of Argentines that have to live on less than $7 per day-and if you think I am wrong take a look on many Spanish Forums where people are less than supportive op there own governmant.
65 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
We always win,

But it does not help by letting a deluded poodle run loose snapping at ones ankles does it.
.
66 captain silver (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
hello conqueror aka captain poppy aka captain silver
67 andy65 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
@63 Think If I came into contact with your lady president and I knew that by being nice there was something in it for me I would perhaps tell her that she was the most beautiful woman I have ever met which would be difficult looking at her through all the botox and wrinkles and plastic but I would be paying her lip service telling her something she so desperately wants to hear
68 Be serious (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
Me thinks Mr Think is playing fast and loose with reality again, his list is exaggerated if not a trifle bent. Closer examination reveals an alarming recognition of the Islanders rights to self determination despite hector giving his usual party piece on colonialism imperialism and fake argentine indignity.
69 Tobers (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
@Yankeeboy

Looks like you rattled -Think- (aka The Fake Argentine)

guffaw guffaw
70 agent999 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
@66
hi sussie timerman - go to bed
71 andy65 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
A piece by Sir Robert Sanders a former Carribean diplomat

What is fuelling this latest Argentinian interest in the Falklands is plans announced by four British companies to search for oil around the Falklands. (Photo: rpsgroup.com)

By Sir Ronald Sanders

BRIDGETOWN, Barbados, Thursday February 9, 2012 - The national and regional interests of Commonwealth Caribbean countries would hardly be served by backing Argentina in its long-running dispute with Britain over the Falkland Islands.

An Associated Press (AP) report of a meeting of some Latin American and Caribbean leaders, under the umbrella of ALBA, cites Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez as confirming the support of all the ALBA countries for Argentina.

ALBA is a grouping initiated by the Venezuelan President and comprising eight nations – the larger Spanish-speaking states Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Cuba, and the three small Caribbean islands St Vincent and the Grenadines, Antigua and Barbuda, and Dominica.

According to reports by AP and other international news agencies, on February 4, the eight ALBA member governments are reported to have approved an agreement barring any boats flying Falkland Islands flags from docking in their ports.

“Caribbean countries should not be used to advance Argentina’s ambitions.” --Sir Ronald SandersUp to the time of writing this commentary, only one government has denied being party to such an agreement. In a statement on February 8, the Antigua and Barbuda government said that it “has never supported any call for the banning of flagships from any country in the region and therefore disassociates itself from any statement regarding the banning of ships carrying the flag of the Falklands (Malvinas) from entering our ports.”

It has to be assumed that the two other Caribbean governments of St Vincent and the Grenadines and Dominica will adopt a similar position to the now public Antigua and Barbuda government stance. All three states
72 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
Think seems to be playing fast and loose with the term support, whereas I think the term diplomatic neutrality probably reflect reality for many of these places.

Fundamentally the Falklands needs only one country supporting it, and that's the UK. The rest are better to just keep out of the argument.
73 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
if they back argentina, they should then be given to argentina,
and /or either way , any monytary support they recieve from the british goverment, should be stopped.
74 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
I think I called this a couple months ago

Argentina’s tax agency will start a campaign to check if farmers are hoarding soybeans and force them to sell their harvest, newspaper Cronista Comercial reported, citing government officials that it didn’t name.

Will we see outright confiscation for THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE shortly?
One would think so
75 ElaineB (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
Support? Hmmmm

The Chilean marines are singing about killing Argentines and the police cadets from Mendoza are singing ' “Chilenito beware, because your throat cut.”

Lovely.
76 Think (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

CELAC’s SPECIAL COMMUNIQUÉ ON THE MALVINAS ISLANDS (2011)
1. The Heads of State and Government of Latin America and the Caribbean, gathered in Caracas, Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, on 3rd December 2011, within the framework of the Summit of the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), reiterate their strongest support for the legitimate rights of the Republic of Argentine in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands………
www.sela.org/attach/258/default/Special_communique_on_the_Malvinas_Islands.pdf

CELAC’s SPECIAL COMMUNIQUÉ ON THE MALVINAS ISLANDS (2013)
The Heads of State and Government of Latin American and the Caribbean, gathered in Santiago, Chile, on 28 January 2013, in the framework of the Summit of the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), reiterate their strongest support to the legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas, South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas….
www.gob.cl/media/2013/01/Malvinas.pdf

”The Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), reiterate their strongest support for the legitimate rights of the Republic of Argentine in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands…“

”Their strongest support for the legitimate rights of the Republic of Argentine in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands…“

”Their strongest support for the legitimate rights of the Republic of Argentine...”

Does any of you Turnips understand English?
Chuckle Chuckle©
77 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
legitimate rights, hmm curious use of language
I think that may be the key phrase

One would think since Argentina has no “legitimate rights” to The Falklands the statement is meaningless and everyone who “agreed” to it knows it.

It's easy to sign up for something completely meaningless
78 andy65 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
Sir Ronald Sanders continues

There are many good reasons why Commonwealth Caribbean countries should not support Argentina in this dispute with Britain. First, the inhabitants of the Falklands have determined that they are British and wish to remain so. They have rejected the notion of being Argentinian. The right of self-determination, enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, is one that Commonwealth Caribbean countries have long upheld, and, indeed, is the basis on which each of them achieved their own political independence.

When Foreign Ministers of the 15-member countries of CARICOM and the Dominican Republic met Ministers of the British Government in January this year at the biennial UK-Caribbean Forum in Grenada, they collectively and rightly agreed: “To support the principle and the right to self-determination for all peoples, including the Falkland Islanders, recognising the historical importance of self-determination in the political development of the Caribbean, and its core status as an internationally agreed principle under the United Nations Charter”.

A second good reason not to support Argentina is that the facts of British settlement and sovereignty over the Falklands are well established. It is important to appreciate that an existing UN resolution on the Falklands does no more than call for negotiations to find a peaceful settlement to the dispute over sovereignty. Where the problem arises is: if both countries claim sovereignty why would either of them want to negotiate over what they consider to be their legitimate right? In any event, Britain has exercised sovereignty over the Falklands since 1765 and, properly, if Argentina disputes such sovereignty, it should take the matter to the International Court of Justice for arbitration. Argentina has declined to do so, while Britain has indicated its willingness on several occasions.

Those are reasons of principle and law why Caribbean countries ought not to support Argentina in its
79 slattzzz (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
WOW Stink a communique from dec 2011, I THINK things have moved on a bit since then as Andy65's post above. But as always I don't THINK you read the article properly TURNIP
80 andy65 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
Sir Ronald sanders concludes.

Those are reasons of principle and law why Caribbean countries ought not to support Argentina in its claim for the Falklands. By themselves they are solid and overriding reasons.

But, if economic self-interest were also to play a part in national decision-making on this issue the following points are worth bearing in mind: Commonwealth Caribbean countries earn far more from exports to Britain than they do to Argentina; Britain is a far bigger aid donor to the Caribbean than is Argentina, and British assistance is not only direct, it is also provided through the European Union, the Commonwealth and the Caribbean Development Bank; Caribbean tourism is far more reliant on British travellers than it is on Argentinians; a large number of Caribbean nationals live and work in Britain, few of them do so in Argentina; Caribbean students study, particularly for post-graduate work, in Britain, few if any study in Argentina; and the Commonwealth Caribbean countries share a history, culture, legal system and language with Britain that is of immense importance and benefit to them.

What is fuelling this latest Argentinian interest in the Falklands is plans announced by four British companies to search for oil around the Falklands. The explorers say they are targeting 8.3 billion barrels in the waters this year. But, Caribbean countries should not be used to advance Argentina’s ambitions.

Argentina is a neighbouring country, and, as good neighbours, the Caribbean should urge it to take its case to the International Court of Justice if it believes it has a genuine argument for sovereignty over the Falklands, and, therefore the right to any oil that is found in the territorial waters of the islands. It’s what the Caribbean would have to do in similar circumstances
81 Think (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

CELAC’s SPECIAL COMMUNIQUÉ ON THE MALVINAS ISLANDS (2013):

The Heads of State and Government of Latin American and the Caribbean, gathered in Santiago, Chile, on 28 January 2013, in the framework of the Summit of the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), reiterate their strongest support to the legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas, South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas….

www.gob.cl/media/2013/01/Malvinas.pdf
82 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
@77 Well at least it makes it clear that no one is supporting their illegitimate rights over the Falklands and south Atlantic islands. You're correct to point out that it's like saying you support a thief's legitimate rights over the things they own.

One could even be a pedant and suggest that the Malvinas don't exist.

@75 I don't see the issue with Chilean Forces using songs about the ruination of Argentina to train to, surely Argentina and Peru are their biggest threat historically so why wouldn't they? Bolivia gets left out in the cold again?
83 andy65 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
@81 Think YOUR NOT LISTENING

What have I told you about LIP SERVICE????
84 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
Think quickly gets befuddled when logic and truth are brought into the debate. Much like every other crony in the CKF gov't.
85 ElaineB (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
@82 The Chilean marine chant included Argentina, Peru and Bolivia. So far I have only heard of a complaint from the Argentines.

Meantime a video was released of Argentine police cadets in Mendoza singing similar songs about death to Chileans. I remember when I was in Mendoza I was assured that all the crime there is the responsibility of Chileans creeping over the border.
86 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
@85 Sure, because Argentines never get involved in high-level crimes like theft, graft and general stealing of $520mil or Aeroplummetous $2.6bil.

@84 He's clearly just gone away to figure out that most people support bolivia's legitimate rights to parts of Chile (they have no legitimate rights to parts of chile). All this quite frankly needs a legal judgement, which seems to be the issue causing the argentines the most pain.

Then they just swim in the ambiguity.
87 marcio (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
while it is true that Argentina has had a major international support and the support of South America is getting stronger, I think if she (kretina) had continued with the agreement of hydrocarbons and without a policy so offensive to Malvinas/falklands, the position of the United Kingdom would be increasingly flexible in this topic. You may not get what you want by acting badly, if you want people to treat you well or you behave well, you should treat them the same way.
88 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!

So Timerman returns to Buenos Aires having utterly, utterly FAILED...... and if there is any justice, that will be the end of his career as well.

As predicted, he is cursed as some kind of modern day King Midus, everything he touches turns to s**t. His lies and his foaming-at-the-mouth speechs have had exactly NO effect and NO ONE has paid the slightest bit of attention to him.

Also, as predicted, we have Mssrs Think and Tito The Clown Troll on this forum, falling over themselves to be the first to get it all wrong and to try to defend his joke attempt at deplomacy.

I loving it, come on everyone!!! all together now!!!

“The more things change, the more they stay the same........!”
89 golfcronie (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
Not looking good for Argentina, no money for arms, no defence force, no friends
90 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
Rgs have cloned me, but there's no gap in my handle.

Falklands, its fishing, wildlife, oil, gas belongs to the islanders who can buy products from certain UK supermarkets in their largest shop. Imposters won't know.

You Rgs can whinge and produce all these stupid statements you like, it doesn't make any difference. Gollum is already history...
91 Think (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
(87) marcio

You say:
”I think if she (Sra. Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner) had continued with the agreement of hydrocarbons and without a policy so offensive to Malvinas/falklands, the position of the United Kingdom would be increasingly flexible in this topic.“

I say:
I ”Think” you are wrong.....
That was the policy of the Argentinean administration of the 90's......
What did it bring?
Argentina getting cheated, shortchanged and disrespected on both the Fisheries and the Hidrocarbons agreements.....
92 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
Some people seem to think,
That if you set up a group, call it a fancy name,
And all agree that the world belongs to Argentina,
Then I suppose it does,

But in fact, the group has no jurisdiction, no power ,
And no interest other than supporting there mates to steal what is not there’s to steal,
Simple.
93 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
Think - that's an Oxymoron! Why do you bother... Load of old tosh, irrelavent too.
94 marcio (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
(91)during the 90s there was not a single viable oil discovery in the area nor was there a movement so intense drilling as there was in 2010 so far, maybe in the islands have much oil, maybe little or nothing, but precisely these the few viable discoveries so far, if the agreement had continued hydrocarbons, in my opinion, with the strong support for Argentina today, could have started a more flexible stance of Britain, is my opinion and respect the opinion of you
95 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
Some secret things the argentine government does not want people to know,

1, it has no legitimate claims, and never did.
2, it’s really about the fact Argentina is in a desperate mess
3, they only want the riches under the sea
4, as Britain is the good soppy obedient appeasing 21st century country
5, it’s only a matter of time before we wear them down, by convincing the world
That its in Britain’s interest to give them to us .
6, our people are conned into thinking the world owes us something.
7, the brits can’t even prevent Spanish navy ships from entering giblatarian waters.
8, if we can persuade the UN its in there interest to support us,
If not we will carry on moaning and yapping, until they get so fed up, they just give them to us,

9, after all, we can do what we want, we can send out diplomats right into the mother of all parliaments, and insult them,
And they do nothing.
10, its all British bull shit,
And only Argies seem to tread in it, and lap it all up.

fooooools.
96 Think (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
(94) marcio

We disagree of course....... but thanks anyhow for your polite answer....
97 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
All the business newspapers are giggling over the new price controls in Argentina.
tee hee
98 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
It would seem that our deadbeat Think is having trouble sleeping. What's up old man? Are you so old now that sleep is sporadic at the best of times? Or is the sound of that March referendum simply keeping you up?

Chuckle chuckle (in a haughty tone).
99 Think (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
(98) Joe Bloggs

I know that many of you Bored British Kelpers go to sleep right after supper (at about 18:30 :-).
That's not the case in lovely Argentina as you well know.....
100 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
98 Joe Bloggs

Ah, Joe!!! I must say, your typing ain't too bad for someone who does not exist!!!! I take it that the regulars down at the “Upland Goose” don't exist either!! ( barely stifled, uncontrollable laughter )

Just watched Laughing boy Timerman's “press conference” on forces news, what a silly t-wat!!
101 Tobers (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
@Marcio -

There is no strong support just cheap, very cheap words. Its called politics and diplomacy. CFK's admin spends half their time and tax payers money on promoting - the Malvinas issue- at every opportunity. Timmerman went to Europe and after so much effort only found a handful of insignificant, attention seeking people to support the claim. He came back with nothing. Nothing.
102 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
But Think! You told us only a few days ago to wake you in September. Don't bother setting the alarm old man.

What a deadbeat.

Chuckle chuckle.
103 ElaineB (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
@97 Food rationing is already happening on goods like sugar and cooking oil.

They are too far down the slippery slope to be helped now. Argentina will be kicked out of international organisations, funds will dry up and everyone will stand back and wait for them to reach rock bottom. When CFKC and her bunch of morons leave office there will be help for them to build back up but not before she is out of there.
104 Think (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
(102) Joe Bloggs

Ahhh...... That was a poetical reference to Post-Britpop Coldplay.......

Ask your children what it means, old young man ;-)
105 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
103. It should be interesting to see the farmers defending their property rights to the SOY and CORN.
So much brewing right now!!
Where will it end
I am pretty sure I know
106 andy65 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
@99 Think The reason Argentines can not or do not sleep is that they are so hungry $7 per day does not go far
107 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
100

Hello too old. Always nice to hear from you. I have to say that Mrs Bloggs finds my typing pretty funny to watch. She learnt it properly way back at school you see. Back in the days of typewriters. Remember those? LOL!

Sad to say so but I'm afraid the Upland Goose hasn't been around for quite a few years. I never could work it out. The Malvina House hotel has had about 4 major extensions in the last 15 or so years and goes from strength to strength. At the same time FIC just let the poor old Goose perish more and more. It eventually stopped trading about (I'm guessing here) 5 years ago and they turned it into several flats. Quite nice looking and they did a pretty good job but so far they don't seem to be a huge success. Mrs Bloggs and I looked at them with an investment in mind but we felt they were a little pricey.

Thanks for the heads up. I must put BFBS on.
108 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
103. Oh I forgot I hope the Rgs on this board have heeded my advice and stocked up on sugar, laundry detergent and toilet paper.
Gonna come in handy very very soon.
109 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
106

Quite true but Think isn't stuck over there with them. Like most of the deadbeats on here he is sitting cozy elsewhere with fond and distant memories of his once great nation.
110 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
109. Joe, Off topic but I would love to get info on investing in real estate in the Falklands. Are there any sites you could point me to?
111 Think (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
(100) toooldtodieyoung

You say....:
“ I take it that the regulars down at the “Upland Goose” don't exist either!!”

I say......:
Ermmm....... No, they don't.

Chuckle Chuckle©
112 andy65 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
@108 yankeeboy If there is a shortage of toilet paper I do hope the rest of Argentines don't talk as much shit as the ones who frequent this forum
113 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
112. There have been a shortage of disposable diapers for over a year. I am sure toilet paper is not far behind (pun intended)
114 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
110 Yankeeboy

There are no realtors or estate agents as such. Your first challenge would be to get permission to own land. We don't allow non residents to simply purchase it. Remember my shower mixer tap that got the deadbeats so excited? Well you'd have to get through that first. Land comes up for sale from time to time in the Penguin News. Or alternatively you could advertise for land in the Penguin News.

Good luck.
115 Faulconbridge (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
“Telling UK in London that within 20 years the Falklands will be flying the Argentine flag,... is only but a further step to ensure that negotiating the disputed Islands sovereignty becomes impossible.”

Of course. The aim of this ritual is not to obtain sovereignty over the Falklands but to distract the attention of Argentines from other more immediate matters.
116 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
I heard people are running around screaming about lack of oil and sugar, and there are mile long tailbacks with people queuing for bog-roll.
117 Be serious (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
Who wouldn't support Argentina's legitimate rights to the Falkland Islands. Thing is they don't actually have any. Don't any of you Argies understand that politicians are a bunch of manipulators who will go out of their way to say an awful lot without actually saying anything.
118 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
114. Thanks I will keep an eye out in Penguin News maybe put a little advert there for people looking for investment funds. I don't really care if I technically own it but I would love to ride up the market there. I think the next 10-20yrs is going to be very exciting for you.
119 Brasileiro (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:43 pm Report abuse
Have Malvinas anything with Timor-Leste-Lorosae?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=00w96wVev9U
120 slattzzz (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 12:21 am Report abuse
Oh dear ref the xenophobic chanting a story has just appeared in Clarin that the rg's started it, a video was put on you tube 2 years ago showing rg police cadets chanting “beware Chile we will come to your homes, slit your throats and drink your blood” and then strangely “eat your underwear” (might be a loose translation me thinks but you never know with these wierdos) Poor rgenweener always the victim eh?
121 Anglotino (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 02:12 am Report abuse
Wow Think I’ve noticed your posts have become infrequent. Getting harder to put a positive spin on things in Argentina? I hear inflation affects older people more as their earning capacity is diminished and supplemented by savings, investments and welfare….. the three things most eroded by inflation.

Anyway so glad you seem to have taken a personal interest in taking me down a peg – my arrogance seems to know no bounds – I’ve noticed your pointed replies here and there.

So let’s take a quick glance at some of the countries you list (relevant paragraph in brackets):
Fiji (4) = tinyurl.com/anglotino001
PNG (72) = tinyurl.com/anglotino002
Saint Lucia (26) = tinyurl.com/anglotino003
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (last) = tinyurl.com/anglotino004
Bahamas (14) = tinyurl.com/anglotino005

All quite blatant and open about the rights of self-determination.

As for CELAC, C24 and every other group that Argentina lobbies, I notice that none of them have actually renounced self-determination. Indeed I notice from your quotes that the groups you mention support the “legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic”.

”Their strongest support for the legitimate rights of the Republic of Argentine...”

So do I.

Removal of self-determination is not legitimate. Colonisation against the wishes of the inhabitants is not legitimate. Invasion is not legitimate. Lying about historical fact is not legitimate.

Legitimate… L E G I T I M A T E… I understand English better than you it would seem.

If Argentina’s rights are so LEGITIMATE then it should perhaps look to using a different forum to voice them and claim them such as the ICJ perhaps… probably more effective than CELAC.

PS: I have no problem being a turnip!
PPS: I’m an Aussie not an Ozzie. I think Ozzie bit the head off a bat once-you may remember?
PPPS: Melbourne not Sydney.
PPPPS: My manners preclude me from chuckling at any person with any form of retardation, so I will continue to refrain.
122 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 02:27 am Report abuse
1, it has no legitimate claims, and never did.
2, it’s really about the fact Argentina is in a desperate mess
3, they only want the riches under the sea
4, as Britain is the good soppy obedient appeasing 21st century country
5, it’s only a matter of time before we wear them down, by convincing the world
That its in Britain’s interest to give them to us .
6, our people are conned into thinking the world owes us something.
7, the brits can’t even prevent Spanish navy ships from entering giblatarian waters.
8, if we can persuade the UN its in there interest to support us,
If not we will carry on moaning and yapping, until they get so fed up, they just give them to us,

LIAR as usual,chimp briton.
uk ENTERED into negotiation WITH Argentina,BECAUSE they know their tittles are weak..
uk is FINISHED
123 slattzzz (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 02:33 am Report abuse
Malvi you are a halfwit aren't you? Rgenweener will never wear down anyone your constant whining is like a droning annoying fly.........just waiting to be swatted.
124 reality check (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 03:28 am Report abuse
Chimp Briton, love it, so mature.puts me in mind of those
PG Tip adverts they use to have years ago.

Dad, do you know the piano's on my foot?

You him it son, I'll play it.

Code! Mr Shifter!

Ah, happy days!!
125 DanyBerger (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 06:10 am Report abuse
@andy65

Your lots are so dumbass really...

“First, the inhabitants of the Falklands have determined that they are British and wish to remain so”

By saying this you are not more than to provide a perfect legal support for Argentina who says that the Islanders are British and as so cannot have S-D on a territory on dispute.

Really you are so stupid, imagine that 1000 argies invade Dover and stay there claiming to Argies and that piece of land is part of Argentina and not enough with that they say that England is the colonialist party.

Who the f@ck is going to give them the reason?

Malvinas is legally a lost cause for British and if that doesn’t work always argies have the Gun resource they also can invade the Islands and if they are able to keep it they can make all referendum they like and proclaim they selves part of Argentina.

I like the last one like in the old days...
126 LEPRecon (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 08:35 am Report abuse
@125 - Dany

As usual you spout rubbish. The difference is obvious to all intelligent people.

The Falklands have been sovereign British territory since 1690.

The Falkland Islands community pre-dates Argentina's existance by more than 20 years.

Argentina never has had a valid claim, which is why you won't take it to the International Court of Justice.

Your government are thieves, liars and gansters. They rob you, and blind you with the 'Malvinas' Myth. But this myth isn't going to help feed Argentine people. It isn't going to create jobs. It isn't going to allow you to exploit your own natural resources, that if your government wasn't so corrupt and inept, would make Argentina one of the richest countries in the world.

This constant blabbing on about the Falklands by your government, instead of dealing with the REAL problems of Argentina is angering the sensible Argentine people (I don't count you Malvinitas and La Campora trolls among them), who want the government to do the job that they were elected to do.

Time is running out for CFK and her clownish government. The more hysterical they get over the Falklands, the worse things are in Argentina. Everyone in the world knows this, even you Malvinistas (you just refuse to admit it aloud).

Tick, tock, default number 2 on the way, and this time the victims won't be 'foreigners' it will be the people of Argentina, who have had their pensions stolen, and their future destroyed.

Well done, CFK, for destroying Argentina.
127 Clyde15 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 12:16 pm Report abuse
#125
I like the last one like in the old days...

What, when you got well and truly stuffed.....bring it on !!
128 yankeeboy (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
I think Dany must have missed the news about ANOTHER RG Navy vessel that couldn't make it back to port.
I guess they could use the fishing fleet to get their forces to the islands.
129 Be serious (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
Like most sensible peeps, Sierra Leone and Ivory Coast like and support self determination.

Some Argies might read but refuse to see. Could go on about horse to water etc but have just had a Tesco lasagne.

SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON DECOLONIZATION ADOPTS DRAFT ON FALKLAND ISLANDS.

EAN-BAPTISTE AMANGOUA (C ôte d’Ivoire) Côte d’Ivoire called for the peaceful settlement of the question of the Falkland Islands . Self-determination was a precondition for the enjoyment of peoples’ fundamental rights, and therefore, any solution must allow for the exercise of that right in the Falkland Islands. Côte d’Ivoire maintained excellent relations with both the United Kingdom and Argentina, two friendly nations, and hoped that the two Governments would return to the negotiating table in order to achieve a lasting, peaceful solution to the issue as soon as possible.

RASIE KARGBO (Sierra Leone) said the principle of self-determination was a prime factor in any consideration of the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas). The basic principles outlined in resolution 1514 (XV) (1960) formed the basis of the Special Committee’s work. Citing General Assembly resolution 637 (VII), she said the Special Committee was obliged, not only to uphold the principle of self-determination, but to recognize it as a prerequisite for realising fundamental human rights. Any attempt to resolve the issue without taking into full account the wishes of the islanders would be inconsistent with the United Nations Charter and relevant Assembly resolutions.
130 Think (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
(121) Anglotino

Oy, oy, oy Ozzie......
That's the way to do it , boy....
Educate yourself before comenting.....

What a difference from your turnipy post (2) where you said.....:
“ I've yet to find any member of the Commonwealth of Nations who don't support the UK's position.”

You found many, I can see...... Almost without any help..... Good boy......
131 yankeeboy (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
Think, did you see YPF is pumping less and less o/g every quarter? CFK will have to import more and more. I wonder where she'll get the U$?
Any guess?
THINK she'll start confiscating private stocks of SOY and CORN for THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE?
I think the only personal property rights that will be respected are hers and MaxiK. Until they're confiscated by the next regime that is...

Also I heard CFK's cronies were out with bags of U$ trying to bring up the peso yesterday. I wonder how long they can keep doing that...
not long I would guess
can't fight the market
although CFK tries and tries
132 Tobers (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
Think seems to think that its ok for the Argentine government to lie massively about inflation figures. He said that the other day. And yet he trusts all their other figures...Nonsensical
133 yankeeboy (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
When you are delusional you can make anything you want logical/right in your own head.
They whole country is filled with bi-polar delusional nutjobs. Any sane people would have got rid of these bunch of criminally insane thugs a decade ago.
134 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
Please support this page honouring all those who helped liberate the Falklands in 1982 and dedicated to keeping the islands liberated and free of Argentine colonialism.

www.facebook.com/HonourRestored
135 lost1 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
Please support Falkland Islands Desire the Right - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the lunacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and winding up their Internet trolls - www.facebook.com/Britain1592

Please support our other page - Falkland Islands Desire The Right - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs -

www.facebook.com/truthfk
136 golfcronie (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
@125 Dany
Where do you get the idea that the FALKLAND ISLANDERS have said they want to remain BRITISH ( nonesense )
The Referendum being put to the FALKLAND ISLANDERS is the following
DO you wish the FALKLAND ISLANDS to retain their current political status as an overseas territory of the United Kingdom YES/NO they have a choice and the UK will abide by their decision.
IT IS CALLED SELF DETERMINATION
137 Anglotino (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 02:26 am Report abuse
@130 Think

Ok, this is a little embarrassing (for you).

“Oy, oy, oy Ozzie......
That's the way to do it , boy....
Educate yourself before comenting.....”

Umm here’s some education. It’s Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi!
youtu.be/uTjT3RXBO6I

THAT’S the way YOU do it BOY!

Wow I gave you a chance to correct yourself and you just couldn’t resist trying to point score…. Well it’s 3/4 time and you’re only kicking behinds while I kick goals. Keep trying.

In Australia, Ozzie is an ostrich.

“What a difference from your turnipy post (2) where you said.....:
“I've yet to find any member of the Commonwealth of Nations who don't support the UK's position.”

Yerp! Still trying to find where I changed my point of view. You seem to believe that just because some Commonwealth countries are members of CELAC or sit on the C24 Committee or just because some Commonwealth countries are pro-Argentinean that this mean they do not support the UK.

Please show some links to clear and definitive statements by the governments of countries you listed that say they do not support self-determination for the Falkland Islanders.

I’m all for someone’s legitimate claims but Argentina doesn’t have legitimate claims and even most Argentineans know this. Deep down even you know this I think because you don’t argue using any of the Argentinean government’s lies, you just obfuscate.

The UK’s position is that the Islanders can choose their own form of government. The UK position is self-determination. If the Islanders chose to join Argentina, then the UK would support that.

“Good boy......”

I am indeed. Thank you!

PS: I see you chuckle at me less now, which is a real shame because now I am unable to not-so-subtly call you a retard. You just take all the fun out of replying, but none of my arrogance.
138 Pete Bog (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
@125
if that doesn’t work always argies have the Gun resource they also can invade the Islands”

And get a battering again, only this time you'll lose some air bases but as your navy is sinking itself we don't need to bother with that.

Do you really think the decimation of what is left of Argentina's forces is a good idea?
What would then prevent other South American countries from invading you?

Because you know they will.
139 briton (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
122 Malvinero1

you wish..
the falklands will be british long after every single argie alive today, is long gone to fairy land.

chimp,
what an insult to chimps,

still,
better a honest chimp,
than an argies liar..
140 Musky (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
Britain's leaders do not need to visit Argentina, we aren't trying to distract the masses from our financial situation or to divert attention from a wholly legal referendum.
Cameron and Hague are hugely competent public speakers, they've made their thoughts know on this matter unambiguously, job done.

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