Wednesday, February 13th 2013 - 05:24 UTC

Obama challenges Congress to ‘take a vote’ on a package of progressive reforms

President Barack Obama pledged in his annual State of the Union speech to revive the sluggish US economy by creating “good, middle-class jobs”. The Democratic president promised “smarter” rather than bigger government for “the many, and not just the few” and called on Congress 'to take a vote' on a package of progressive reforms..

The President addressing Congress with his State of the Union speech

In his Tuesday address to Congress he also called for efforts to reduce gun violence and urged bipartisan immigration reform.

In the Republican response, Senator Marco Rubio urged Mr Obama to end his “obsession” with raising taxes.

Speaking in the House of Representatives, Mr Obama told his audience that his generation's task is “to reignite the true engine of America's economic growth - a rising, thriving middle class”.

Delivering growth and jobs will be the “North Star that guides our efforts”, he added. But he insisted that nothing he proposes will raise the deficit “by a single dime”.

Republicans are strongly opposed to increased government spending, amid a rancorous political divide over how to tame the US budget deficit.

Mr Obama proposed reforms to reduce the cost of Medicare, a federal healthcare programme for pensioners, but argued “we can't just cut our way to prosperity”. In his speech, Mr Obama also called for federal investment in infrastructure, clean energy and education.

People on either side of the gun control debate, which flared up again after December's school massacre in Connecticut, watched the president speak from the gallery.

First Lady Michelle Obama sat with the parents of a Chicago teenage band majorette shot and killed just days after performing at last month's presidential inauguration.

Mr Obama said an “overwhelming” majority of Americans supported “commonsense reform” on firearms including tighter background checks and restrictions on “weapons of war and massive ammunition magazines”.

And he urged gun-control opponents to allow a vote in Congress on his proposals.

In addition, Mr Obama announced the withdrawal of 34,000 US troops from Afghanistan by next year.

Less than a day after North Korea tested a nuclear device, Mr Obama said the US will “lead the world in taking firm action in response to these threats”.

He praised bipartisan efforts to draw up an immigration reform bill, adding that if he is sent legislation, “I will sign it right away”.

Mr Obama will take to the road in the coming days to push his economic recovery proposals, stopping in the US states of North Carolina and Georgia and in his hometown of Chicago, Illinois.

Sen Rubio, a possible 2016 Republican presidential candidate, delivered his party's official riposte. He attacked Obama economic policies and said “more government isn't going to help you get ahead: it's going to hold you back”.

The Cuban-American senator from Florida, who also made his address in Spanish, referred to the pain felt by residents of the working-class neighbourhood in which he grew up.

“I don't oppose your plans because I want to protect the rich. I oppose your plans because I want to protect my neighbours“, he said emphasizing that the ”tax increases and the deficit spending you propose will hurt middle-class families”.


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1 ChrisR (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:50 am Report abuse
Well, if they do vote, let's hope they do better than the populace as this cunts still President.
2 Idlehands (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:19 am Report abuse
It's too late for gun reform to actually reduce gun violence. The only thing I can think of that might have an impact would be to ban the sale of ammunition. Those that already own automatic weapons aren't going to give them up regardless of the law.
3 ElaineB (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:53 am Report abuse
@2 It would have to become culturally unacceptable and that takes a generation, and a lot of luck.
4 golfcronie (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:29 am Report abuse
Hate to say it but a lot make their own ammunition
5 Idlehands (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
Maybe ban the sale of gunpowder and it's ingredients too then? I don't care if Americans want to shoot each other but they could at least admit to their lunacy on the matter.
6 reality check (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
There is only one way they are ever going to stop this happening at a school again and that by Security, very tight Security at that.
There's just to many guns already in circulation and to many sick people with access to them.
7 golfcronie (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
Agreed , but how far do you go with security? Whats to stop the Security guard from shooting people? Trouble is it is too far down the line , very difficult to solve now.No easy solution I'm afraid. Good luck to them.
8 reality check (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
I think if I was an American parent, I would suggest that the Eduation Authorities employ, retired Law enforcement officers, not security guards. Most retire in their forties after 22 years. Have had a tested pedigree and would have alread been vetted for suitability in law enforcement.
Something along the lines of an Air Marshall. Plain clothed with secondary duties within the school. Another thing I would recommend is that their identities are kept from the children and the parents. No point in putting them in there and then sticking a big sign on them, to show these nutters who they have to kill first.
Not an absolute answer, but even if it saves the life of just one five year old, it's worth it.
9 yankeeboy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
8. You are taking tens of U$ Billions of new spending!
You can't give up your freedoms for a little security. All of this gun control nonsense is being whipped up by the Media and won't go anywhere. It will fade away when they see nothing will be passed by Congress.
They may come out with some tiny face saving measures where the pols can looks like they have done something but it will have no material effect on buying or owning guns.
It is not like these problems are being caused by sane law abiding citizens so anything they try to do will be thwarted by criminals anyway.
10 ChrisR (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
Hate to mention this (well I don't really): I was Secretary (responsible to the HO) and Trustee of one of the UK leading rifle and pistol clubs with 150+ members.

I have been shooting firearms since the age of 13 (9mm Luger loaned and 12 bore shotgun of my own that I worked to get) and would NEVER shoot anyone unless they were using firearms on the public and I could stop it.

But the UK has lost the right to firearms in the American way for many, many decades because of government fear of insurrection of the people after WW1 and to some extent WW2, NOT public safety. We lost ALL our pistols after Dunblane which was through police incompetence (but not quite true as a group of us took the government to courts and won back our 0.22 lr rf long barrelled free pistols – that pissed the do-gooders off. And what good did it do? Firearms are now MORE available on the black market than ever they were and of course NONE of them are known by the Police unlike ALL firearms held legally.

And you are not going to like what I say now but it is incontrovertible: IT IS PEOPLE WHO KILL PEOPLE, the gun is just a tool. A car driver can kill far more people if that is the objective by running into a packed bus queue than anyone with a gun.

Remember the nonsense how we needed to ban ‘large’ knifes when young blacks were killing people until somebody with half-a-brain woke up and asked just how was a ban going to miss kitchen knives?

America is where it is and will quite probably do nothing about restricting self-loading rifles even those that ‘look’ like assault weapons BUT ARE NOT. Why should they, in themselves they are harmless?

Remember, when the guns are banned from private citizens, only the military, the police AND THE CRIMINALS will have them. It will turn out something akin to Prohibition, just like it has in Handsworth, Birmingham.
11 Idlehands (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
10 ChrisR

A MOAB is harmless in itself unless I press the button - as is an ICBM too. If the government owns one then I need one too to protect myself from them. Any idea where I can get myself a couple of dozen? Come to think of it my tinfoil hat needs a re-tune too so I'll be looking for a job lot.
12 reality check (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
Your right, look at the terrible events Norway of all places. It is people that kill, people and if they want to find a more efficient way of doing it, whether it is with legal or illegal firearms, they will do it.
This scum bag on trial for murdering the Liverpool bobbies, is as guilty has sin, no doubt whatsoever. In cases like that, the bastard should swing. May cause someone else to think twice before doing the same.
13 Raven (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
The firearm in the US is ingrained into the constitution so will not go away. The availability of guns to criminals will not go away.
As far as I can see, the only method of 'gun control' that will be of any effect would be to make sure that anyone who wishes to possess a weapon, be licenced and effectively trained in their use/non use. It is then down to the individual as to how they protect themselves, but if they have the training to knock 10 pence pieces/dimes off a wall at 100 yards AND HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO ASCERTAIN WHEN USE IS NOT REQUIRED, then maybe things will settle down and gun crime will decrease, especially if all citizens are armed. It seems the only solution to me.
14 yankeeboy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
11. Way to blow up the debate to its most absurd conclusions. Good job!

13. Still will not keep insane people or criminals from getting guns if they want them. All it does is place additional burdens on law biding citizens.
15 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:30 pm Report abuse
Guns are not leaving the American culture so the entire world that is so concerned and worried about, as is obvious by the comments net to dealk with it, just as rgentina needs to deal with the fact that the Falklands are not rgentina's.
Though one would not believe it by the news reports, 12000 murders by guns in relation to 317,000,000 people is relatively a low number......not far off from druck drivers.
Everyone non-American here apparently visited the USA, how many was concerned about being gunned down? The American Revolution is the reason why we havea guns written into our Consitituion. 20 years ago guns in the USA was not even discussed, now the world worries about guns in the USA, if they are not, then why comment?
16 Raven (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:36 pm Report abuse

As I said in post 13, the criminals will STILL get hold of guns. There is far too much availability for that to be countered.
The law enforcement agencies are employed to deal with those burdens upon law abiding citizens. If the citizen is a part of that process( which is a responsibility ALL law abiding citizens the world over are a part ) then maybe the threat of gun violence could be reduced.
17 yankeeboy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
16. This is pure fantasy, there are no statistics to back up the claim that gun violence will be reduced with more regulations. None.
18 Idlehands (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
14 yankeeboy

It was done to highlight how absurd I find the arguments put forward above.

It is simply following the logic he used. You think it absurd that I should own a nuclear weapon I find it absurd that you should own an assault rifle.

“Guns don't kill people people kill people” is just semantic crap. The truth is “people with guns kill people”
19 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
I have no problem putting some more guns laws into some national standardized background checks. Christ....the the CG does more background checks on me for my captains license than they do to get a gun. There are too many loopholes in the backgrond checks. There are no standardized training, but to get a drivers license, one needs drivers education. I will never advocate restricting gun ownership in the USA, but I would like to insure that people with questionable backgrounds do not get one and the ones that do are trained and educated. A gun seems to give the ignorant a false sense of bravado.
20 yankeeboy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
18> and knives, and cars and and and and
what is next are you going to out law stairs so people can't push others down or rocks or sticks or baseball bats?
Your logic is absurd
21 Raven (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:18 pm Report abuse

I think you misunderstand.

I do NOT claim that more regulation per se will reduce statistics. I merely think that a better INFORMED legally held weapon, that is more effective in its use, MAY help. (Piers Morgan I am not).

@Cpt Poppy Your comment ''20 years ago guns in the USA was not even discussed'' is an interesting point.
You can blame Tim Berners Lee in part for that I think. More worldwide discourse etc.

Following that point, I do not wish to impose my views upon you as being succinct et al, I actually like to have a nice discussion/debate about world wide affairs, and most on here I can get along with. It makes a change from reading(yet rarely participating) in the lions den of an off topic forum which I read that is a part of a forum which connects to my main hobby.
22 Idlehands (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
20 yankeeboy

But this is your logic not mine - and following your logic I should be entitled to own a nuclear weapon.

We shouldn't ban stairs - that's absurd
We shouldn't ban sticks - that's absurd
We shouldn't ban baseball bats - that's absurd
We shouldn't ban knives - that's absurd
We shouldn't ban cars - that's absurd
We shouldn't ban assault rifles - that's absurd
We shouldn't ban RPGs - that's absurd
We shouldn't ban MBTs - that's absurd
We shouldn't ban ICBMs - that's absurd

Ho-hum where does one draw the line in the pursuit of individual freedom?
23 yankeeboy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
22. . I am happy with the line right where it is.

It is a liberal wet dream to take guns away from law abiding citizens
and your previous statement confirms why nothing of substance will ever change in the USA.
24 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
idlemind is more appropriate than idelhands.

Raven as an America I have no compunction placing some limits on the 2nd amemdment in the USA. The stale echos of an argument is that we cannot impose a qualification on a constitutional amendment, but that's bullshit. Any American that believes that ignors the fact that:

4th guarantees a warrent to be searched, yet we know that is bullshit
5th guarantees the right to due process, yet gitmo proves that a restriction
6th guarantees a right to a speedy trial and see evidence sued to charge you. Again refer to gitmo
8th guarantees bail, yet we do hold people without bail.
Why? in the name of public safety. Yet no politician in the USA has the balls to stand up to the NRA. Yes.....we' can restrict and limit the constitution when we want to and it's time we do.
25 Raven (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:40 pm Report abuse

Your post #19 explains my understanding clearly.

Your post #24 shows the complications, unforeseeable at the time, of upholding amendments.

I just hope that both sides can work together, to address ALL issues currently facing your country. However, I do not see the far right being a co-operative partner in this sadly.
26 ChrisR (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
22 Idlehands

Having woken everyone up to the absurdity of gun laws, you are going into the realms of fantasy.

RPG? MBT? ICBM? Are you taking the piss?

The reality is this: criminals, whether the gun is legally held or not are the problem.

The real solution is to spot the nutters AND it can be done I assure you, it's just more difficult than enacting a number of laws that ONLY affect the legal gun users. Criminals DO NOT obey the law.

There were only 59,000 pistol shooters in the UK and that was why the government could push the draconian laws through, irrespective of the fact that Northern Police should NOT have issued the licence as confirmed by TWO of their own officers who visited Thomas Hamilton at separate times both felt at risk from him and their superior did nothing about it because he was a friend of Hamilton. This is fully documented in the report by Lord Cullen but even he did not follow up on the suspected paedophile case. You remember that the vast majority of the dead were small children.
27 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
RAven.....the right just continues to blast the groups groups that want some reasonable laws with regard to firearms as bleeding liberals who want to take guns away. As someone who used guns AND knives with lethality in my younger years in the military, I personally have no use or desire to own a firearm anymore. However I will fight to the death for others to retain that right, I only want them to be trained and know they are not 3 time felons or recently released from an insane asylum.
We had a gun show 3 years back in Westfield Massachusetts. A doctor took his 9 year old to the show and they allowed the kid to fire a mMAC10. The gun kicked up and put three rounds through his head. There is a lot of negligence involved with gun owners as well. My first year in the Army I humped an M60..........pretty lethal piece for light ground forces. I never understood why we allow people to own military weapons.
28 Raven (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse

The quandry is the extremes of both sides, never a good thing.

Firearms are perfectly safe in those that KNOW WHEN/WHERE and HOW to use them. I respect the right of the American citizen to hold and bear arms. It is a part of the very being of your country.

I shake my head at the (redneck) bigotry that do not fully understand that.

For example, they claim that the 2A is a protection against the Gvt, but do not/can not/will not explain how in modern times, they will march upon Capitol Hill and overthrow the current administration, being as they see it, ' the anti- christ' of all things American.
29 golfcronie (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
Guns in the USA.
Someone mentioned on here that criminals can get hold of guns easily.
How many guns are in the hands of the population, perhaps 300,000,000
maybe? If I was a criminal I am sure I could get hold of 1 or 2 or maybe 20.
Has to be said the more guns in circulation the more gun crime ( elementary,no )
Less guns in circulation surely less criminal activity.
Do not know the answer, nor does the USA population
30 Clyde15 (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
Why does any one need a hand gun ? These are designed specifically for use against people. I can see that a shotgun or rifle can be used for hunting or vermin control. But to allow assault rifles, self loading and automatic weapons seems insane.
The only need for these types of weapons are the military or police armed response units. Other than this you degenerate into a Wild West scenario. Weapons in the USA seem to be glorified as a macho symbol. Most American TV shows seem to have folk poncing around pointing weapons as if they were designer jewelry. Today's news included scenes from the shoot out with the rogue ex policeman who shot several people. It looked like something from the Hatfields and McCoys.
My only experience of the USA was in L.A. airport. Every one in a uniform seemed to be carrying a side arm. I would have been scared to go out on the street if guns were that necessary.

I can remember a case in RAF Mildenhall when I was visiting some colleagues in the UK Customs. A young lady USAF policewoman came in and asked if she could put her service revolver in our safe. Why we asked ? Because she was going to the canteen and they had banned guns from there.
Seemingly there had been an argument the day before and someone had pulled out his gun and began shooting !!!!!
Enough said.
31 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
Guns created the USA from when we fought the British. Guns are never leaving this culture. The vast majority of gunowners in the USA are hunters, but news bit and sound bits regarding collectors sell better around the world. BTW, enough said will not end the debate internally in the USA, it may end it for you here on this blog.
Clyde there are over 120,000 tv shows in the usa on almost 400 channels serving 318,000,000 in the USA. Now you say MOST of the shows show macho man pounching and pointing their weapons like designer jewelry. most wopuld mean 51&, do you actually believe that over 61,ooo shows are violent menacing people pouncing and pointing? CLyde, what does your constitution have to state regarding firearms?
32 reality check (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
We do not have written constitution. Being simplistic, it is basically a mish mash of common law, statutory law and parliamentary precedence. For instance, murder is a crime under common law, there is no statute. Our bill of right of the other hand was passed by parliament and is statute law. Our Gun laws are controlled by The Firearms Acts of 1968 and 1999. The last act was introduced following the a mass shooting at a school called Dunblane, in Scotland. The victims were sixteen 5 year old children and their head teacher. So you see, these tragedies are not just an American problem. The shooter, who's name I no longer remember or have any intention of looking up, also killed himself.
33 golfcronie (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
Surely the law of averages would say that the majority of gunowners are householders, granted quite a few would perhaps take hunting holidays.
34 Idlehands (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
“RPG? MBT? ICBM? Are you taking the piss?”

Indeed I am - to highlight the absurdity of the argument put forward by the gun lobby.

The second amendment is from the 18th century and was principally to counter “sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers” for which you now have the vast military and police forces - and at the time the individual had the same arms as any regular military person. In the 21st century you can either equate it to 21st century weaponry or you can deem it to be obsolete.

The argument about “criminals ” is specious too. A criminal is always someone else. How many people are in prison because their first crime was to lose their temper, pick up their gun and shoot someone dead? The claim that “firearms are perfectly safe in those that KNOW WHEN/WHERE and HOW to use them.” is simply not true. Look at Christopher Dorner.

I don't believe there is a single solution to gun crime in the USA simply because there are too many weapons out there and too many that would be unwilling to surrender them......but ask yourself this - are there any other first world democracies where the public are clamouring to emulate the gun laws of the USA?
35 reality check (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
I knew a guy who was on excercise with the USAF in Nevada. On his first R&R he met a rather attractive young lady in a bar, being a gentleman, he accepted an invitation back to her place. It was not far so they walked, he got a bit nervous about the neighbourhood they were walking through. She obviously sensed this, said to him. “Don't worry honey” and from out of her handbag, pulled, in his words, “the biggest pistol I have ever seen!” He admitted, he was'nt so nervous after that. Apparently she was a real looker too.
36 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
Actually is it were the majority of gun owners reside that moves the stats. The plains are not urban areas nor is the southeast...and then there is Texas. Guns are our have 50% of the population that want changes and 50% of the population that do not. I know you say a hand gun is for killing, but you really have to get close. I know a K-bar pressed down through the clavicle angled to the neck, the only sound you will hear is air leaving the lungs. My point, there are things just as deadly as a handgun. What we need in the USA is tougher laws for criminal s and a way to keep the crazies away from guns.
37 golfcronie (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
If that happened in BA you would have been mugged no doubt,I hope he showed a an even larger pistol ( get my drift )
38 reality check (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
A gentleman never asks, especially when he's a bloody envious gentleman!
39 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
Never mind the size of his gun, I hope you had loaded
40 Santa Fe (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
Yes ingrained in the country, from when France and Spain helped the US gain in dependance, don't ever see that in the Hollywood films on the subject.
let them do what they want, don't give a hoot...if the horrors and massacres don't provoke change then it is the American society that will suffer. let them put it to the vote, if they don't want change then we should respect that democracy and all that (they invented that as well , watched a film on it)
41 Hepatia (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse Yes, blame the voters. Why not.
42 Clyde15 (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
I should have prefaced my remarks by saying “adventure or police dramas” We do not have as many channels here in the UK.
The deaths by gunshot statistics are below.
USA 9146
Why is Canada different
Spot the countries with strict gun laws !
43 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
There are more people living in California than the are in Canada. A stat by itslef is meaningless. Do you think by showing gun fatalies I will change my rights and thinking? If you don't like AMerica's gun laws, kick us out.......or move out. Oh....wait you do not live here do you?
Again Clyde.....if it were not for the Revolution, we would not have firearms ingrained in our constitution. Spot the reason why?
We are a free country are always welcome to come to the United States and lobby congress to outlaw firearms.
44 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
Supporting logic ... #18/20/22/26/etc

The right to bear arms in the USA is primarily the right to defend the independence and integrity of 'the Nation' (as expressed in the Declaration of Independence). .. with the rationale being to be called up in time of need for the local militia.
Secondarily, it can be (just) construed as the right to defend 'the home'.
It's not framed as the right to shoot one's own food.

So, if the state (State/USA) and the home is threatened by machine-guns, it is only right to allow machine-guns to defend against this;

if the state or the home is threatened by nuclear bombs in North Korean suitcases, then it is only logical that this right extends to each US citizen;

and if threatened by Anthrax spores in envelopes ........ etc, etc.

“That's not a knife ..... THAT's a knife.” (Michael J. Dundee)

When the President said “Speak softly ..... and carry a big stick” he was talking about the state, not the individual.

So, wilfully misinterpreting the Constitutional right to wage an individual modern 'war' using 'legally held' modern military weapons with incredible killing power, takes interpretative rhetoric way beyond reason and logic.
The INDIVIDUAL becomes a REAL threat to the state and its citizens.

This is not a philosophical issue of 'how large a stick' a citizen can carry,
it is one of the NEW law needed, as a Constitutional Amendment, to protect the state and its citizens from its own misfit citizens.

The Precautionary Principle applies, as the world has had enough of sending in another lorry-load of body bags for the victims and the 'lone gunman'.

We could remove the misfit citizens in anticipation of their 'mass destruction' ... but this is called Eugenics, and the USA moved away from this some 30-80 years ago,
so, a *sane* nation is restricted to the alternative ... removing from ALL private citizens - citizens that *may* become aberrant - their weapons that, in the 'wrong' hands, destroy en masse.
45 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
Geoff what stae do you live in....California?
46 briton (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
May I say a tiny little bit.

I was once told,
It aint guns that kill people its people that kill people,
People have been killing each other, rightly or wrongly for thousands of years,

Perhaps it is the people that needs to be educated,
Rather than the gun.

Just a thought.

47 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
Very good point briton.......As I previously stated, I need more of an education to get my drivers license and have more a background for my captains license. Everyone mis-intreprets our constitution when it is not intrepreted they way this one and that one wants it to be intrepreted.
I believe our 14th amendment is misinterpreted as well, but it's my opinion and probably 160 or even 200 million others as well.
48 briton (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
Thank you 47 Captain Poppy

I was not in anyway condemning what Americans do,
Just that being British, just north of London,
We don’t carry guns, and most people here would not even know how to fire one,
Yes we do have police, who do carry, but this is really special cops, and we do have some criminals that carry,
But in the main, we don’t use guns, so it is difficult sometime to understand another countries gun culture,
And this included most countries where arms are freely available.

Perhaps in time some protection can be added to the amendment.
49 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
I am an AMerican and I do......only in my country and through the excercsing of my freedoms via my representives. I think if you did demographics of where the gun owners in the USA reside you would see more suburban and rural areas. The gun owners in the urban areas ar more likely the criminals. Also if one was to further parse that statistical data, you would find that 10 cities produce 95% percent of the murders. Not exact numbers as I am in my office, but to that effect.
50 Idlehands (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
43 Captain Poppy

Were you beating your chest and singing the star spangled banner while you typed that?

With this comment: “Do you think by showing gun fatalies I will change my rights and thinking?” (sic) you sound much like a Malvinista. How many fatalities would it take? Should we add a zero? Maybe two? Should we wait until your entire family is gunned down by an enraged psychopath with raging bloodlust?

.....or are your “rights and thinking” of greater value than the lives of every single citizen in your entire nation?

I'm just wondering what value you place on an American citizens rights and what price you are prepared to let other Americans to pay for your rights?
51 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
Where are you from so I can respond appropriately?
52 Clyde15 (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
It's your country and I would in no way tell you what you should do. I just cannot understand the reasoning for the desire to own a handgun. The old adage that guns do not kill people but people kill people is only partly true. Guns are designed to KILL animals or people. That is their primary function. A gun kills at long range and there is no defence against it unless you are wearing a bullet proof vest. If you want to kill someone with a knife or blunt instrument, then you have to be at arm's length. The chosen victim still has a chance to run away - you cannot outrun a bullet.
It's a cultural thing ,American's seem to have a love affair with guns in Britain we don't
As I said, it's your country and it will be decided by your people or the NRA
53 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
As I myself previously stated, neither do I, even a rifle for that matter. To say American's have a love affair with guns is a stretch. A lot of American's have this love affair, not all. There are American's that want all guns outlawed, some want military style weapons outlawed, some want handguns outlawed, some want nothing changed. It's a very diverse population because of the shear size.
You have every right to voice you opinions as we all do hear, I have no problem with that at all. As for the knive, anytime I seen the k-bar employed, it was angled up the armpit, through the clavicle or up someones thigh into the groin, never seen anyone with a chance to runaway.....ever.
As for the NRA....they are a radical right just as we have radical liberals.....the price of our freedoms are the extremes.
54 reality check (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
A trained knife fighter is ten times more dangerous than an untraind man with a hand gun. If he comes at you low, knife in the palm extented out from the thumb, your in a world of shit. A knife can stab faster than a hand guns trigger can be pulled and it does not need an ammunition source. Bullets miss, knifes have a guidance system, it's called a human being! penetration to a depth of 1/2” in the right place, just once, can be fatal.
That's what I remember from my annual UDT course.
55 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:12 am Report abuse
bingo! Femoral or carotid artery is not deep at all and will bleed out fast. Point is if someone is intent on killing someone they will.
56 Argie_USA (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:04 am Report abuse
there is no way to control crime in this country. most of the criminals are mentally ill . the California manhunt we all saw this week clearly indicates the goverment agencies cannot control the mentally ill.
you will see this Charlatan very scare around March 1 when his budget starts reducing all federal departments terminating employees and private contractors.
rising the minimu wage to $9.00 is simply absurd. regardless of what type
of work everyone needs at least $20 per hour to make a decent living
USA citizens are not “content” . most of them that listen this idiot simply cannot see his weakness in leadership. stay tune.
57 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:21 am Report abuse
Don't worry rg, some other trolls will believe you.......yawn!!!!!!!!!!!! If you are in the USA.....why did you leave the cesspool in argentina?
58 Millet (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:35 am Report abuse
There should be a vote. A vote to kick obama out of the USA. He is a real jerk. - Millet USA
59 Idlehands (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 07:39 am Report abuse
I wonder if Oscar Pistorius woke up this morning thinking “I'm so glad I have the inalienable right to own a firearm”?
60 reality check (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:32 am Report abuse
He shoots a tall, white, blond, young, stuningly attractive female, FOUR TIMES, in a secure compund, mistaking her for a burglar. In a country where violent crime is rampant and the offenders are generally Black African males.

He certainly has some very serious questions to answer. The first being, “What time of day was it? what were the lighting conditions. The second, ”Were there any obstructions blocking his view of this poor girl?”

A real tragedy for this young woman, her family, my sincere condolences to them. Like I said, He has some very serious questions to answer.
61 Idlehands (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:47 am Report abuse
The details so far are very sketchy but apparently she was giving him a valentine surprise. I work with a South African and he can picture the scenario far better than I can and finds the scenario much more believable than I can from my perspective. When they are being broken into the invader would almost always be armed and you would shoot first rather than ask questions and risk being shot yourself. OP must feel particularly vulnerable while in bed because it's not like he can instantly race around his home at Olympic speed.

However it does highlight the fact that if you own a firearm the most likely person to die at the end of it is you or a member of your family.
62 reality check (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:45 am Report abuse
South Africsn Police just gave a press conference. They do not know where the burglary story came from. A man has been charged with murder appearing in court today, will not name reporters will need to attend court. Confirmed only two at the house, Pistoria and deceased, confirmed they have previously attended domestics at address. Starting to make sense know.
63 Idlehands (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:54 am Report abuse
Yes - looks like they had a row so he shot her.

However if he'd only had a knife he'd have stabbed her, if he'd only had a stick he'd have beaten her to death with that. Failing to have any of these weapons he'd have dragged her to the top of the stairs in order to throw her down them. Either way the gun is irrelevant. She was going to die anyway.

I love this logic.
64 reality check (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:23 pm Report abuse
I have South African neighbours, the wife is of Afrikans exratction the husband a British ex pat, they moved here a decade ago and have since raised two lovely boys.
The wife said the reason for moving here was because she did not want to bring childeren into the world, living in fear of crime, in a fortified home with firearms all over the house. You would not believe the security they had around their home in South Africa. They are a lovely couple the lads are a credit to them. She has never regretted the move and frankly the neighbourhood is a nicer place for them living here. Have'nt had a chance to speak to either about this tragedy yet.
65 Idlehands (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
Sounds roughly the same as the story I was getting from our resident Saffer this morning.

However we need to remember that this particular story appears to be about a law abiding gun owner who lost his temper and is now in front of a magistrate on a murder charge.

I wonder if anyone will suggest that he's a criminal and should never have been allowed a legal firearm in the first place?
66 Hepatia (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 02:16 pm Report abuse They did have a vote. It was held last November. Where you asleep?
67 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
Poppy #45, re #44

Hi, pop, you know I don't live in CA;
I guess you think I'm a bleedin-heart liberal!
Not really, I'm a rationalist.

You know from my prev posts on the gun issue, that my home near Salvador in Bahia was, and still is, defended by high wall, razorwire, dogs, a gun, a baseball bat, electronic security, security cameras that we can view in real time from most places in the world on-line, movement sensors linked to floodlights, local private street/beach security staff, as well as the official police & military police
....... just like Pistorious in South Africa, and for just the same reasons - those that don't have things try to get things from those that do.
The handgun was more to discourage street hold-ups at traffic lights, but it also protects the final refuge in the home.

Yes, I have always been aware that there is a chance that family or staff are at risk of 'the great mistake' - of being mistaken for an armed intruder. But the local risk was (and still is) HIGH.

Users frequently have basic weapons such as handguns, but the dealers kit out with machine pistols, AKs, and - in the favelas - heavy machine guns.
Not much you can do about the dealers, but you should be able to defend the home from the users, etc.

My argument, Poppy, is that in the States, every man and his dog can kit themselves out like a dealer or a survivalist; like a one-man-army.
Too many do ... and we see the results.
68 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
Well that's the perception of reading the news and your opinion that every gun owner is “kit” out as a one man Army.
69 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Poppy says at #68:
“.... your opinion that every gun owner is “kit” out as a one man Army.”

I said:
“Too many do ... and we see the results.”

I say:
Even one 'crazy' so kitted-out is one too many.
Imagine YOUR son being one of the eg. 200 killed in a one-person killing blitz.
70 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
I've heard that argument often...imagine my son. I tried it on people who do not believe in capital punishment.....imagine your wife raped then murdered by a serial killer. I respect yopur opinion that no one but the government should have guns, but are you trying to change my opinion? Because this is not a debate for me. I am not sure where you keep going with this.
Worry about the murder rates per capita in Brazil:
71 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Yes, pop #70, my views on Brasil's homicide profile are well known in Brasil.

As well as the many millions of US citizens who legally pack handguns, shotguns and rifles,
and the powerfully armed US survivalists – who are now counted by the millions,
there are also over four million US Preppers (‘survivalists lite’). These are regular people with regular jobs and homes who are increasingly preparing for a domestic future embracing armed conflict.
Sensible or paronoid, the growing number of Preppers, Survivalists and Gun Lobbyists in America who are packing serious *military* arsenals presents a clear and present threat to communities and the state.
It is a positive feedback. The more people that have guns, the more people that have to have guns. The more people that have heavy military weaponry in the home, the more people that feel they have to respond by acquiring heavy military weaponry.
This upward accelerating spiral is the logic of the mad-house. There has to be a set of actions that break this paranoia and aberrent psychology. It can only be effected through the office of the President. The Senate is compromised, and there will be no help from the Church.
72 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
The President of the USA has balanced powers, not run away absolute powers. He can't do whatever he wants when he wants. Again......what is the point you are making to me and where are you going with this?
73 wts (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:56 am
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74 Idlehands (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 08:04 am Report abuse
70 Captain Poppy

While I agree that some individuals probably deserve to die for their crimes I oppose the death penalty on principle. It serves no real purpose and is irrevocable. A justice system can never be perfect and yet execution is rather final.

Your comment about serial killers is an interesting point. Serial killers don't really choose to become serial killers - they are serial killers. They were born that way - it is part of who they are. They are mentally disturbed people that should be locked up for life - and studied. I imagine you would find that incredible but if you read something like “He Who Fights Monsters” by Robert Ressler (an American FBI agent) you'd understand why I said it.

As for your comment about whether people would support the death penalty if their relative was murdered you could turn that round and ask would you support the death penalty if an equally close member of your family had been convicted of murder? What if one had killed the other?

All gun crime victims families are asking for is for further restrictions on everyone's right to bear arms. Restrictions already exist in the USA so it's not really a question of principle only one of degree.
75 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 11:38 am Report abuse
'This upward accelerating spiral (the holding of arsenals of heavy military weaponry in the domestic setting by civilians) is the logic of the mad-house.
There has to be a set of actions that break this paranoia and aberrent psychology.
It can only be effected through the office of the President.' (GW)

The President of the USA has balanced powers ... (Captain Poppy (#72))

I feel sure you know where I am going, pop.
USA society's checks and balances are failing massively to protect its people. The threat is obvious for all those with eyes to see, and it needs the country's elected leader to LEAD the wilfully blind.

That's why we call them leaders.
76 Idlehands (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
The Pistorius story is getting worse and worse. Looks like she fled and locked herself in the bathroom - not contemplating that cover from view does not equate to cover from fire. Quite good defence against sticks and stairs though.
77 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
We have 318,000,000 people in my country. With that size populatiopn you have to work with the overwhelming majority. What is the percentage of the population that is not protected and harmed?
You are obviously not happy with the situation, you can always form a grass roots push and get a p[etition going and get it placed on the ballot to outlaw guns so over the government and criminals have guns. Are you will to do that if you do not like the gun situation in the USA?
78 Idlehands (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
I really don't care one way or the other whether Americans have the right to bear arms. I don't have to live there. However I would be very unhappy if they changed the law so the nutjob next door was entitled to own a gun.

It just reminds me of the fox hunting debate in the UK. I don't care about fox hunting either but the arguments put forward by the fox hunting lobby are nothing short of idiotic. They'd get more respect if they just said “I enjoy going hunting” than all the other nonsense they come out with.
79 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
That was to Geoff
80 Idlehands (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
Pistorius is denying murder “in the strongest possible terms”

From what we've heard so far he will have to be incredibly imaginitive to extricate himself from this one.
81 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
What does that have to do with this article?
82 Idlehands (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
Nothing at all Mr Poppy, nothing at all......
83 troy.tempest1 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:34 pm
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84 Hepatia (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse That is a very good point. The Second Amendment does not bind the states and there is no constitutional impediment any ballot measure regulating firearms.
85 Idlehands (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
I think every American should rush out and buy one of those Browning M2 machine guns. They're perfectly legal to own, look “well cool” and will make the citizenry safer than they've ever been before.

Judge Dredd block wars spring to mind.
86 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
#85 see idelhands, you show the level of your ignorance. NO, not everyone can go out and buy a machine gun. As a foreigner do a little more research before you speak or visit or better yet, don't speak on what you do not know and base on the internet and news.
87 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:42 pm Report abuse

It has been brought to my attention that an imposter is posting malicious and racist comments under my name, in an attempt to discredit me.

The user name, “ troy tempest1” is NOT me.

Please disregard anti-British, racist or vulgar statements by my Doppleganger.
This is likely just one more attempt to get attention, by a well-known Troll with multiple accounts.



Thank you for your understanding.
88 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
it is sussie Troy. SHe did the same with me but using Poppy with a zero that looked exactly like the letter O. Your name is blatantly difference. These actions only show the level of desparations that the trolls are reaching. Like the Japanese in WWII and the kamakaze's. Their actions are beyond juvenile and foolish to a level they cannot comprehend. If they want respent, rgentina that is they need to start to earning by owning up to the messes they created upon themselves.
89 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
In the third millennium, the world changed.
Climate, nations, all were in upheaval.
The Earth transformed into a poisonous, scorched desert, known as “The Cursed Earth”.
Millions of people crowded into a few Megacities, where roving bands of street savages created violence the justice system could not control.
Law, as we know it, collapsed.
From the decay rose a new order, a society ruled by a new, elite force.
A force with the power to dispense both justice and punishment.
They were the police, jury and executioner all in one.
They were the Judges.

You knew I'd say that.
90 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
You watch too much TV Geoff
91 ChrisR (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
75 GeoffWard2

I used section 1 (UK law) firearms - pistols and rifles from the age of 13, I am 67. Before the pistol bans my two sons and me had 27 pistols (single shot, revolvers and semi-automatics) all used for target shooting at the highest level in the UK.

We also had 15 rifles, some for target and other for quarry from vermin up to the largest deer in the UK.

Of section 2 firearms (shotguns, which are only lethal to 70M max) we had 14, mainly quarry but also trap and especially skeet..

I won’t bore you with how much ammunition we had. All of this was completely legal and fully justified by usage. Shooting was my main hobby and I could afford to do it.

Let me ask you about YOUR pistol(s). I will lay a bet it is not a revolver but a high capacity 9mm semi-auto, or better still a 0.45 acp, am I correct?

And if you came across someone armed with a gun of any description attempting to shoot you or a member of your family you would shoot to kill, would you not?

I Have never pointed a gun at any human being, and I did not go to Brazil for exactly that reason, I did not want to start.

But using you analogy, I could be accused of being a gun nut, could I not, and maybe even crazy for spending so much money on them?

I think your logic is flawed regarding the escalation from semi-auto to machine gun. AND, how do I know that? Because YOU have not got yourself a machine gun, have you?
92 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
@88 Poppy

Thx Poppy.

I know it is Sussie. I've informed the moderators.

I appreciate your support, and the vigilance of you and IdleHands and other posters.

If this happens again, please let others know that it is not me posting. That would be appreciated.

I have posted a statement to cover my ass.

One has to do that with Ssussie around.
93 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
No problem. The trolls are so stupid that they think someone changes POV's overnight and rants like a crazy fool. There are only a few trolls that have any intelligence but they waste it on such a lost cause.
94 Idlehands (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
86 Captain Poppy

So tell us - who is not entitled to own a Browning M2 machine gun? Only those not entitled to own any other firearm? As I understand it they come under the “vintage” rules so there would only be supply limitations.

Love the way you tell me to shut up without actually contributing any facts to the matter. Why am I wrong?

Here's a thought - you find it incomprehensible that others should regard your desire to maintain the right to bear arms to be madness - but here's the thing - we do. The reason you have such a firm belief is that from childhood you've had the American constitution and the second amendment drilled into you as a fundamental right - without much regard to the consequences by the sound of it. Few in Europe would share that view - it's simply not really an issue. It's a bit like the vast majority of Argentines believing they should have sovereignty over a bunch of islands whose name I forget at the moment.

I don't mind if Americans want to keep their weapons and shoot the place up. I'm just pointing out the folly in it.

I wonder if Pistorius is sat in his cell thinking “I'm a law abiding citizen with a licence to own a firearm and I'm jolly glad I made the choice to buy one” Yes I know he's South African but that's not really the point.
95 golfcronie (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
You have to be at close quarters to kill with a knife,stick or whatever, so with logic surely you would recognise the person ( only if you knew them )A gun is much better, you could shoot through internal walls, you may not know the person you shoot. If you had a gun to defend yourself and someone had a knife. Who would you bet on ?
96 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
So I need a fact to tell you to shut up? Really, is that a Brazilian eqiqutte? Please show me where I find it “incomprehensible” that you find the right to bear arams “madness”

From post #53 “You have every right to voice you opinions as we all do hear, I have no problem with that at all. ”

I have no problem putting some more guns laws into some national standardized background checks. Christ....the the CG does more background checks on me for my captains license than they do to get a gun. There are too many loopholes in the backgrond checks. There are no standardized training, but to get a drivers license, one needs drivers education. I will never advocate restricting gun ownership in the USA, but I would like to insure that people with questionable backgrounds do not get one and the ones that do are trained and educated. A gun seems to give the ignorant a false sense of bravado.

Post #24
idlemind is more appropriate than idelhands.

Raven as an America I have no compunction placing some limits on the 2nd amemdment in the USA. The stale echos of an argument is that we cannot impose a qualification on a constitutional amendment, but that's bullshit. Any American that believes that ignors the fact that:

4th guarantees a warrent to be searched, yet we know that is bullshit
5th guarantees the right to due process, yet gitmo proves that a restriction
6th guarantees a right to a speedy trial and see evidence sued to charge you. Again refer to gitmo
8th guarantees bail, yet we do hold people without bail.
Why? in the name of public safety. Yet no politician in the USA has the balls to stand up to the NRA. Yes.....we' can restrict and limit the constitution when we want to and it's time we do.

How do you get what I say and change it? Can you please reconcile the two...what I said of others opinion and what you just restated what you think I said? IS a a South American or Brazilan thing to read a condensed versions of posts, of yours
97 Idlehands (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
You're just fiddling while Rome burns and fundamentally misunderstanding my attitude to this. What's the point of increasing the difficulty of obtaining a licence if all the criminals can get hold of the guns anyway? You consider yourself an upstanding law abiding citizen and whatever restrictions were put in place you would expect to be able to pass them. It's just others that do stupid things with guns - you could never be an Oscar and nor could any of your family - only you or they could.

I'm not advocating amending the second amendment. You need a radical rethink and to start from scratch. I would advocate abolishing the second amendment and remove entirely from American thinking that you have a fundamental right to bear arms. It's a 17th century concept that makes no sense in the 21st.

I am well aware that Americans would find that abhorrent and reject the idea out of hand - but that's not because of human thinking it is because of American thinking. If you asked your typical European whether they wanted to replicate American gun culture in their society you'd get an overwhelming no.

I know it's politically impossible but I'd prefer a society where there are no guns than one where everyone owns one.

....and before you dismiss me as an anti gun wet liberal I should point out I've got an RAF marksman's badge in the bottom of a drawer somewhere.
98 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 06:56 pm Report abuse
There you go again comparing America to Europe. We are nothing alike, nor do Americans want to be like Europeans (with no disrespect). Our governing bodies are nothing alike, our country structures are nothing alike, the sovereignty is nothing alike, there is nothing to compare....we have no Kings and Queens as we rid ourselves of the special people long ago. I think you like to argue for the sake of arguing.
Obviously your statements point and suggest you are right in your thinking. And your suggestion the Americans are not human in their thinking is appalling. It Brits like ou why to trash was removed 227 years ago. Ypu have kings, well queens that can waive the wound anc outlaw guns. ALL of our leaders are freely elected, not born as leaders. Argue until you are royal purple, hate the American way, no one really cares what a Brit in Brazil thinks.
Great for your Airmen marksmen medals, I have a nootchs on my chest as an 18bravo during my days in the Army. But that doesn't make me a gun toting conservative.
BTW, do you know it takes the federal congress to vote for an constitutional bill, then it is passed to the states, who are sovereign states themselves, for ratification and 3/4 of the states must vote before it can be an amendment? We made it that way so a elected tyrant do change it to fit his power. It's getting old arguing with a old, angry retired brit living in SA.
99 Anglotino (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
Well being an Australian I'm extremely thankful that our government had the willpower to tighten gun control and buy back thousands of firearms after our last mass shooting in 1996.

The NRA falsely claims that these new laws didn't work and yet the proof is in the statistics.

The US is welcome to whatever laws it see fit to have but with a much higher murder rate than Australia, it is not just guns that are the problem.
100 ChrisR (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@98 Captain Poppy

I have firsthand experience in military 'marksmanship'. I could do better with my eyes closed.

And this is not at all surprising given that the military do not want to kill the enemy, they usually want to wound them for the simple reason that extra resources are needed to care for the wounded but the dead are mourned but do not slow the attack down.

But you are in danger of sounding a little hysterical now with your comment about ‘trash’ being removed 227 year ago.

This paragraph is quite apoplexic:
“Ypu have kings, well queens that can waive the wound anc outlaw guns. ALL of our leaders are freely elected, not born as leaders. Argue until you are royal purple, hate the American way, no one really cares what a Brit in Brazil thinks.”

Her Majesty The Queen is our HEAD OF STATE. She only has ONE executive responsibility and that is to approve OR NOT the proposed Prime Minister who is an elected MP but voted as PM by his party. I don’t even know if the Queen has EVER rejected a proposed PM because she is guided by the Heads of the Civil Service, the non-elected people who carry on the continuity of government whist a new government is elected. SHE CANNOT BAN ANYTHING and you are guilty of the same ignorance as you have accused others.

I was one of the 59,000 who lost an awful lot of pistols in the ban but I will not stand by and listen to you abuse MY Queen just because you cannot handle the comments
101 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
I am not a NRA supporter, regardless of what you may believe Anglo. And while it's not meant as a slight, you have the population of the combination of a couple an USA's largest cities. You don't have the problem of everyoene wanting to settle from all over the world as well, of course being an isolated area helps circumvent that problem. You are like Canada, a large area with little a population and are peaceful for the most part. I commend your country on ridding your country of guns. But as the statistician you are, you know as well that comparisons are shifted when populated data data are not the same.
I guess now that you all finished of RG you can work on the USA in this blog. But I suggest you all look in your mirror first.
I can say that I am not sure what the answer is for the USA, but a Brit and Aussie won't have it.
102 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
“... no one really cares what a Brit in Brazil thinks.” Poppy

Don't get upset, I really do care what you think and I've learned a lot from your postings, from Chris, Idle and the rest.

Nobody pretends its easy, but I would hate to see the cities of the USA following in the footsteps of Brasil's 'frightened cities'.

The fact that this Brit has experienced an armed defence /armed attack society makes for a stronger argument than someone that has only seen things from the relative safety of the UK.

I hold to my opinion.
103 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
I am getting more frustrated that no one is reading my POV earlier on. I am for gun control....mush tighter control, but I will never go for a total ban and with a population of 318 million, 159 million will be for it and 159 million will be against it.
Do I think we have a problem....absolutley
Do I think it's an easy fix....far from it
Do I think statisically it's a small 1/100 of 1 percent....I do
but I do also think 1 death is too many. I know what a bullet does and it's not like TV. I can tell you that American's are not walking around in fear that they will be shoot....maybe if the trend continues they will. We have our our set of problems because in many ways we are times uniquely good and other time not so.

And Chris I am not abusing your queen. ANd I am not getting into a pissing match over royalty.....I believe our governments long ago settled that battle. However I will be forthright in telling you I am adamently against the concept of a person being better and special by birth because they are born to someone......royalty. But I do not have to deal with that, you do. Apparently you yourself have problems with people expressing their opinions when it comes to royalty. So as you may not stand by and watch me express my opinion and my constitutional freedoms of political speech, your only recourse is to denigrate my country to the point of not being able to handle the comments as you suggest.
104 C0nqueror (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:27 am
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105 Anglotino (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:50 am Report abuse
Captain Poppy

“I can say that I am not sure what the answer is for the USA, but a Brit and Aussie won't have it.”

That's the exact same argument Argentineans use. Piss weak mate. Piss weak.

The US could learn a lot from Australia. Though considering you have shown that you have so little knowledge of Australia in your recent post, it isn't surprising that you don't.
106 ChrisR (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 11:25 am Report abuse
103 Captain Poppy

Making the allegation that the Queen can ban guns and do anything else with our law is ludicrous in the extreme.

Your President can VETO laws correctly considered by both the Senate and Congress and you don't think that is unacceptable?

“your only recourse is to denigrate my country to the point of not being able to handle the comments as you suggest.” As far as I can remember I have never done that so please provide me with a post number of mine where I have.
107 Hepatia (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:30 pm Report abuse The US president is elected. This is why the veto power is acceptable.

The UK queen can also veto any legislative bill but is not elected to office. Is that not unacceptable to you?
108 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:22 pm Report abuse a statement based on ignorance of the full workings of your government. As for a VETO.......Presidential vetos can and do get overridden by Congress. I did not say you HAVE denigrated my country.....reread.
I can say the same for you anglo, but I don't think your ego will allow you to consider that, I am certain you know most everything and have no compunction passing that knowledge on and cannot for the life of you understand why others do not see it.
109 ChrisR (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
@108 Captain Poppy

“your only recourse is to denigrate my country”

So are you now claiming that I did not take that course? The converse looks like what you claimed.
110 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 05:07 pm Report abuse

“ The US president is elected. This is why the veto power is acceptable.

The UK queen can also veto any legislative bill but is not elected to office. Is that not unacceptable to you?”

Hepatia, what you fail to realise is that in these two examples of strong, 'real' Democracies, the overriding mandate for the Head of State, is that they must rule for the benefit of the the country and the people, and follow principles of Human Rights, above all else.
The President, though elected, is not partisan. He is expected to be the President, for ALL Americans, not just those of his party or those who voted for him.

The Queen, non-elected, is not aligned politically with anyone. The Monarchy has evolved over the past 1,000 years, by Acts of Parliament (the voice of the People) from an Absolute Monarchy to a Constitutional Monarchy.
The Queen stays out of politics and policy, and only exercises her Veto to keep a government in line with the wishes of the people.
111 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
Chris you said, not verbatim, I am not going to sit by and watch you (me) abuse my (you) queen.
Yes? With me?

Then I said something to the effect. Your only recourse ( to my alleged ABUSING YOUR QUEEN) is to denigrate my country. Follow me. Your only recourse if you felt I was abusing your queen is to use words back at me, because there is nothing else you can do. You are not exactly going to put me in a choke hold, words is all you could do if you will not sit by and listening to me abuse your queen, which in my opinion I was not. I am sure you would not want me to show you the difference as I do not wish to go there.
Follow me?
Don't twist my intent.
112 ChrisR (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
111 Captain Poppy

Shall we call it a draw then? :o)
113 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
Let's , I am really not here to argue with people I consider strong, longtime allies. If what I said came across as an insult than I send my apologies.
114 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 10:28 pm Report abuse

Good!! Great example of being reasonable.

If you guys were Argentine Trolls, you would still be jumping up and down, flinging pooh and empanadas at each other.

115 Bellisima (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 02:18 am Report abuse
to avoid personal insults or unwelcome traspassing of screen names the UK team has the opportunity to upgrade their website with a system that delete any derogatory words.
the true is that the UK team don't want to upgrade their web site because their
objective is to use derogative words to make argentinians feel “bad”.
but as everyone can see the verbal personal attacks against the argentine leader, her family, argentina and argentinian continues.
is the island the reason for the verbal attacks? NO
is CFK the reason for the insults? NO
is the bad economy? NO
The UK goverment did it wrong to resume diplomatic relations after the 1982
invasion. the UK goverment has the choice to stop diplomatic relations but
instead....David Cameron keeps bitching about the “argentine goverment
harassment” uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujajaja
116 Anglotino (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 02:22 am Report abuse
Sorry Suzie the UK isn't going to break off diplomatic relations.

So tell us about how you feel so “bad” after reading posts on here!
117 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 02:54 am Report abuse
Tell us how you feel “bad” about your PAPI, that story always makes me laugh!!

Sussie, I think Timerman looks like a chimpanzee with big ears.

CFK looks like Timerman wearing a wig LOL!!!;d%7CcTlrZ6zKick-XM:
118 Sussie.US (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 03:01 am Report abuse
You guys cannot defit me with any insult you want to place in merco=british crap-web
remember i am an USA and ARGENTINA CITIZEN
119 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 03:16 am Report abuse
who cares what you are?
120 Hepatia (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 03:04 pm Report abuse The wishes of which people? And how would a monarch know the wishes of the people?

That you should present this argument in the 21st century I find bizarre. This is an argument that belongs, and has been used, in the Europe of the 18th and 19th centuries.

And it was explicitly rejected in America in the 18th and 19th centuries. Whatever the merits of your argument that it is democratic is not one of them.
121 bdb56 (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
@119 troy tempest
122 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
Hep that is the most ridiculous staement you've made yet. Regardless of what others may feel about monarchies, the people of the UK continue to support if completely and democratically also. Unlike rgentina where votes are LITERALLY purchased. Hep, I don't profess to know a lot about the UK government, but I do know the House of Commons, which has over 600 seats, is pretty democratic. Should they be buying votes like rgentina to be democratic?
123 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
@120 Hepcat

“That you should present this argument in the 21st century I find bizarre. This is an argument that belongs, and has been used, in the Europe of the 18th and 19th centuries.

And it was explicitly rejected in America in the 18th and 19th centuries. Whatever the merits of your argument that it is democratic is not one of them.”

The British Monarchy of today, 2013, is far different from the Monarchy of the 1700's.

The USA changed their status of being a colony, ruled from overseas, because they rejected the common economic system of Mercantilism, and “taxation without representation”. Fair enough.

European nations rejected their Monarchies to be replaced by more modern forms of government by the common people,
France - Emperor
Russia - communism
Spain - fascism - Franco
Italy - fascism - Mussolini
Germany - fascism - Hitler's Nazi's

Do you see a pattern there?

Meanwhile, amongst the most recognised Democratic countries in the world, are the ones with a Monarch, Queen Elizabeth II - Australia, New Zealand, Canada, England, Scotland, and of course, other Independent Commonwealth nations.
124 Clyde15 (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
Oh ye of little sense and even less understanding.
How about this for a simplistic answer.
If the public stand outside Buckingham Palace and beat pots and pans a la Argentina, she would know the wishes of the people - not happy bunnies.
If they crowd round and cheer on her visits, everything is fine.
Can you understand this ???????
125 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 12:47 am Report abuse
They do not understand what real democracy is Clyde. They have been told they have democracy because kirchner use the word in every other sentence they believe they have it. They also believe protesting by starting bonfires in the streets, blocking traffic and preventing businesses from opening when they protest is democracy. It only a display of public disruption to society.
126 Hepatia (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 01:33 am Report abuse Well, the and America have learnt from from Australia. It will not surprise you to learn that the Australian Ballot comes from Australia.

Another thing that the US could learn from Australia is the IRV system. The introduction of this system would give the voters more choice of candidates and, possibly, break down the two party system.

The use of electoral commissions to set district boundaries in accordance with law would be a positive move for the US. (Australia is not alone in implementing this scheme.) This would break the present system in which politicians select their voters rather than the desired property of a democracy where the voters select their representative. It would make the general election mean something once more.

But I think Australia could learn from the US. For instance I hear that the concept of ballot measures does not exist in Australia. Likewise with recall elections. You might even care to recall the “Queen of Australia”! :)
127 cxc_22 (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 02:26 am Report abuse
the usa citizens likes guns.
“gun control” will not stop the insane from the massive continuing killing.
any person that has visited or reside in the USA can see thousands of crazy
usa military personnel sleeping in bus stations and goverment buildings.
most of these “veterans” cannot cope with the civilian life after returning
from duty. Only a few understands that they need professional help.
the usa seal navy officer that killed the taliban leader 2 years ago stated he cannot do any type of work to earn a living, is disable and in financial ruin.
128 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 11:07 am Report abuse
correction......1/3 of USA citizens likes guns
129 Idlehands (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
98 Captain Poppy

Love it - having a tantrum at your keyboard just makes you - um - err - entertaining.

NB You can abuse the Queen all you like - don't know why anyone would care about that.

You also misrepresented my comment about “humans” - other humans around the world don't regard owning a firearm as a human right - only Americans seem to do that. You can't interpret that to mean Americans aren't human. Human rights are things like freedom of speech etc - not the right to tote a gun like it's the extension of an otherwise undersized phallus.

Maybe some mortuary photographs of American five year olds with the backs of the skulls blasted out and their brains dripping onto the cold hard steel below might make you think about if the right to bear arms is sensible. Maybe video of the parents identifying the corpses or the throngs of people gathering at the funerals would help too? These are your fellow Americans that are dying but as long as you keep your right to bear arms it matters little. “I will give up my gun when you tear it from my cold dead hand” - er....OK - somebody pass me the tranquilisers.

It's Feb 18th - how long until we get to hear more stories of dead American children sacrificed on the altar of American Freedoms? Tick tock tick tock.

NB Can any poster on here point to any evidence on any message I have ever posted that even vaguely indicates that I live in Brazil - or any other part of South America for that matter? Inspector Poppy wants the right to shoot burglars but I'm worried that his detective/identification skills are on a par with Oscar Pistorius.

(that should keep him bubbling nicely)
130 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
idlenot....yuou make a lot of assumptions about me and I;ve yet to see one on target. I always laugh at the extreme liberals with their phallus analogy. For some reason many people here, trpically trolls interject penises into the mixx.....for whatever reason, idle, I am just not into penises.....ok. You can have all your phallis' and penises you want, just keep them in your house.

#5 I don't care if Americans want to shoot each other but they could at least admit to their lunacy on the matter.

If that is your POV good for you. You have that right. This I ask made a lot of assupmtions. Please restate, succinctly if you will. What my argument FOR guns are? I apparently must have stated here that we need guns to fight criminals and I am still looking for it. In fact, please provide me with my background as I am so naive and out of touch with gun related death. Detective idlenot, not everything or most anything was pointed to you, only the posters that made interesting points. SO I task you Detective idlenot:

What is my stated argument for keeping guns and position on gun control?
what is my background?

Two simple questions for someone that knows it all.....yes?

This post is directed to you as you are quite a liberal extremist, of the mindset you thinking is the right thinking.
131 Idlehands (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
I really don't care what your background is or why you want to own a gun. Why would I?

You don't need to be a “liberal extremist” to think everyone owning a gun is a stupid idea. NB The word “liberal” is not an insult to anyone other than an American.

If you're not naive about gun related deaths (your words) then one can only assume that you do agree that other peoples children are a price worth paying for your right to own a gun.

Lots of love...

The Boy From Brazil....??????
132 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
If you do not care then just shut up rather than perpetuating a non argument with yourself. My position was clearly stated yet you seem to want to change it.
I did not think you could anwser my questions.
As for the use of liberal, it was not intended as an insult, I am considered liberal in the USA by the right and the liberals consider me conservative......saying you were from SA was, but I am not as clever with insults as I guess I failed. And somehow I believe you have never traveled far from your island........especially SA the land you loath.

If you ever change you mind, let me know and I will send you some diapers.
You really are a sad, old angry, bitter man. If I cared I would feel sorry for you.

Enjoy your phallus'
133 Idlehands (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
You clearly aren't “old” - I'd guess you are about 5 posting comments like that on a public forum. Don't let your frustration flood out onto your keyboard. It's not a good look.

I'll leave you to daydream about your guns and puzzling over why you've so easily become akin to the Duracel Bunny. Anyone got any spares? Wouldn't want it to run out.
134 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
As i thought.....nothing are the Euro version of a Malvinista.....enjoy your bitter little life.
You clearly are old and the world awaits it's just prize for your aging out. But please......don't wait so long.
135 Hepatia (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:05 pm Report abuse I do not care what Europeans do in Europe. I do care when they attempt to import their system to America.

I may a little more about the system in the UK. Let me explain it to you. The “House of Commons” is the equivalent to the HoR. The “Lords” is similar to the senate. The elections that are held every 5 years is for the Commons. There are no other elections.

The administration , including the premier and attorney general, is not elected but is appointed, nominally by the Queen, but in actual fact by the members of the majority party in the Commons.

The members of the Lords are appointed by the administration for a life term.

Most bills are introduced by the administration directly and it is very rare for one of these bills not to pass. The legislature acts mainly as a rubber stamp for the executive.

So, do you think that this system is more or less democratic than the system in the US? IMO it is so less democratic than the US system that I am not sure it can be called democratic at all.
136 Idlehands (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
134 Captain Poppy

Hmmm - who is sounding bitter and who is sounding bemused?

Answers on a postcard.............
137 ChrisR (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 04:02 pm Report abuse
“So, do you think that this system is more or less democratic than the system in the US? IMO it is so less democratic than the US system that I am not sure it can be called democratic at all.”

Ah! The hyprocrisy or idiocy but probably both of this poster shines through at the final sentence, as always.
138 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
ChrisR don't let hep draw you into a blackhole. They (hep) have no democracy at at so the next best thing is to attempt to conquer by dividing. I think we are all intelligent enough to know the pros and cons of both of the democratic systems we line with. Hardly someone like Hep can comprehend either....because they are democratic in nature.
139 Clyde15 (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
I do not care what Europeans do in Europe. I do care when they attempt to import their system to America.

You have lost me again. Where are Europeans trying to import their system into America ? Examples please.
140 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
#135 hepie “ I do not care what Europeans do in Europe. I do care when they attempt to import their system to America.”

Being you care about this import, you imply you live in the USA....where?
Also, please enlighten me how Europe is importing their version of democracy to the USA as I feeled to see it.
141 Anglotino (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
Hepatia seems to have the bit in her mouth on this democracy gig.

She obviously doesn't want anyone to shine a light on her own country which has had 6 coups in less than 100 years. She talks about unelected leaders and yet how did poor Cristina come to power?

She talks of no recall elections in Australia and thereby shows her ignorance of what role the Queen truly holds.

I would love to see the part in Argentina constitution that enables a recall.

Her ignorance is breathtaking and yet she plods along typing away thinking she is scoring points.

The simply truth is that the US, UK and Australia are all more democratic than Argentina. She really needs to learn a little more about a CONSTITUTIONAL monarchy.

She'll keep going on like a good La Campora soldier and I will keep looking for military rule in our countries..... nope Argentina finally beats us at something...

Damn we're still losing!!!!!

It'll probably be 7-nil when La Campora takes over.
142 Hepatia (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 10:04 pm Report abuse Las Malvinas, which is part of America.
143 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
Can someone point me to a world atlas that has las malvinas on it? I can't seem to locate one.
Hep, who has claim to Hawaii that the USA stole? It is nowhere near North America? Doesn't it get old crying about something that is not your's and you can't have. Claiming proximity makes it rgentina's is a waste of oxygen. If you would only grow up,pick up your bags and move on, live in rgentina might get better, after they remove kirchner.
144 Hepatia (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 10:40 pm Report abuse Your question makes no sense in English.

P.S. Do you suffer from Dyslexia?
145 Clyde15 (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
No it is not .
146 TroyTempest (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 11:36 pm Report abuse
Obama is wrong.
his proposal is failing.
immigration reform already failed.
gun control won't pass.
I have the right to buy any type of rifle i want,
147 Anglotino (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
Yay Sussie is back!
148 TroyTempest (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 11:59 pm Report abuse
147 ANGLOTINO aka troy tempest
149 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 12:05 am Report abuse
Sussie what state are you pretending to be from during today's schizophrenic episode? You've been in Arizonia, the cowboy state, California, the liberal state, even Florida, the geriatric conservative state. Why not try a moderate state like Massachusetts why I live.
Do you not feel foolish and juvenile ghosting names and pretending to be others? Are you a classic example of Rgentine counter intelligence? We know how this news blog is a threat to rgentina's national security. Are you their.....“Bourne Identity”? lol
150 Anglotino (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 04:05 am Report abuse


Ummm..... no!
151 Idlehands (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
It's February 19th. 4 dead in a shooting spree in Tustin California.

By my count that's a whole 24 hours
152 cvc_22 (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
@149 Conqueror aka Captain Poppy aka Captain Silver

.......“this news blog is a threat to rgentina national security”
pay attention stupid:
Sussie have contacted several US federal agencies reporting Mercopress
threat made by the brits. The US federal agencies said that is nothing more than a website to compete with insults.
Although Mercopress have the choice to delete offensive language and/or
threats, the brits prefer to post with the most offensive words and threats
I enjoy dumping of more CRAP!
153 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 07:25 pm Report abuse your meds again? They will catch you and put you away for weeks until you escape again. The first couple of days you are a chuckle, but like fish, you start to stink after a couple of days.
154 Anglotino (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
Cap. She is talking about herself in the 3rd person!

“I enjoy dumping of more CRAP!”

And sometimes she does state the obvious! At least she is STATING it..... and not EATING it.

155 slattzz (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
@154 Anglotino
she likes the competition of dumping CRAP....,,,,,but the really winner is the UK team CRAP CONTEST!
what a waste!
156 Anglotino (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
Still talking about yourself in the third person I see Sussie.

Your constant focus and interest in scat is quite amusing.

Don't change sweetpea. Every village needs an idiot!
157 Mario Alejandro (#) Feb 20th, 2013 - 01:11 am Report abuse
@156 Anglotino
Sussie is right.
i am not an argie
that is why she never answer to me, or with ,,,,,,LA THINK!
,,,,,,if Mercopress accept my name to be use as a screen name by somebody else
means,,,,,is not registered.
as you know all of the UK team are not registered with mercopress
I am afraid of the China cyber attacks.
well you know the brits like to protect their assholes.
158 Angl0tin0 (#) Feb 20th, 2013 - 01:37 am Report abuse
@ 157
yes, i know she is anti-british and she can kill more than one brit.
i stay away from her.
tonight is my graveyard shift,,,, have to watch any possible attack.
159 Anglotino (#) Feb 20th, 2013 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
Sussie talking to Sussie talking to Sussie!

I know I said that she talks about herself in the third person..... but I think she thought I said she needs to talk to herself WITH a third person.

Sussie I still haven't reported the account you use to impersonate me.

I don't need people to differentiate between us by the inclusion or lack of ZEROES in our names but by our intellect.

You can't argue and have next to no intelligence.

You represent Argentina.

I represent Australia (not British as you keep alluding to).

My country comes out looking so much better than yours everytime either one of us comments.

Please stay here. Keep commenting. Keep your new login and keep impersonating me.

As I said, every village needs an idiot! Argentina is the village idiot of nations and you are the village idiot on here.

Bye sweetie.
160 Anglotino (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 04:13 am Report abuse
@162 Sussie

Yes I agree that you are indeed “anti-English speaking”. To be honest, for someone that claims to live in the US, your level of English is atrocious.

It's as if you are replying to the voices in your head and then write down just one half of the conversation.

But if this sock puppet was the best reply you could one up with, you have only verified what I said in my post 161.

Please continue at your convenience. Don't make me wait for the Angl0tin0 sock puppet pleeeeeeeaaaaaassssseeeee!
161 Aussie the gay (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
@160 Anglotino
there is no one posting in merco-british crap-press that have the ability to write in good english, that can demostrate be smart enough to stop the bullshit from the UK PM Cameron words: “the argentine goverment harassment” against the islanders. If the UK don't break diplomatic relations with Argentina then the UK should keep quite.
I resided in Surfers Paradise, Queensland and could not understand the “poor australian” english language. the use of words such as “ring” instead of call by telephone, the word “flat” for apartment, the word “nappies” for diapers, etc.etc. The australians like the rest of english speaking countries have the most REPULSIVE accent.
the Aussies men likes to wear the smallest swim suit which makes them looks ridiculous. same thing with men from New Zealand.
In the USA people speaks english very differently.
the majority of british, australians, new zealands, irish visiting the usa have difficulties trying to understand the american english.
the usa citizens are not interest to talk to people with REPULSIVE
australian accent .
the mexican american accent is more acceptable.
as you can see you better mind your own country and stay away from the USA and Argentina economy.
162 cdc (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
@160 Anglotino
your country is a shithole.
163 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
NO one ever accused me of being an wolquent speaker, but that never stopped my opinions. That being said.....WTF #161........what are you saying? First and's the Birts language and everyone else is customizing it to their needs. Just as everyone that speaks spanish changed the castillian language. RG's have many words that cannot be found in other spanish speaking countries.
BTW....that is you satire of speaking english.....right?
164 Anglotino (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
@161 Aussie the gay

Sussie I absolutely LOVE this sock puppet. Especially being a gay Aussie. I'm a little upset you didn't use your Angl0tin0 sock puppet though.

“there is no one posting in merco-british crap-press that have the ability to write in good english”

Well there is one thing for sure, you amply proved this!

And don't worry think we definitely should “stay away from the USA and Argentina economy”. The US has much higher inequality than we do and we definitely don't want that.

And Argentina..... well Argentina is an economic basket case. It's the reason why people like you leave.

So we have already taken your advice. That's why we have LOW unemployment, LOW inflation, LOW government debt, HIGH incomes and HIGH growth.

Take that list and Argentina has the EXACT opposite.

“the majority of british, australians, new zealands, irish visiting the usa have difficulties trying to understand the american english.”

Ummm no. No problem. However have you ever seen how Mexcians, Colombians and other Latin Americans make fun of the Argentine accent. It's quite hilarious. Maybe that's where you got confused. That's why I speak with a Colombian accent as I didn't want to sound like an Argentine.

Mmmmmm speedoes! Thanks for the image.

@162 cdc
Oh no, Sussie this sock puppet is boring! More hyperbole please.

So difficult to find a good troll these days! 10/10 for tenacity but honestly only 3/10 for entertainment value.

Still haven't reported a single post yet. Way way too funny!
165 An Argie (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
@164 Anglotino
the only thing you show is your ignorance.
The citizens of the USA are not interested in imitating the“ british accent” because is simply unpleasant.
The citizens of Argentina are not interested in imitating the “spanish accent” from Spain.
other spanish speaking countries in SA don't speak the “spanish accent” from Spain.
your comment about “other Latin Americans make fun of the Argentine accent” is incorrect.
I belong to several Latin American clubs in the USA and overseas.
no one laugh about my “argentine accent”
I you speak with a“ colombian accent” that is your choice.
es hora de mi almuerzo: polenta con albondigas y cerveza!
mmmmmmmmmm Salud, Dinero y Amor.
166 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
#165 “The citizens of the USA are not interested in imitating the“ british accent” because is simply unpleasant.”

That is a bunch of pigshit.....don't try speaking for real Americans. Most Americans find a proper British accent most classy, even Argentines I (mine are middleclass Argentines) love the British accent and find it classy as well. The British are reputed for being well mannered and proper and 7 out of ten I know are, so to me and I am sure most, they live up to their reputation.
167 ChrisR (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 10:55 am Report abuse
165 An Argie

Do they laugh at your fragmented English with its poor grammar at these clubs?

Of course not, they are like you, bitter and twisted like most Argies; especially the ones who live in other countries.
168 Clyde15 (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 11:07 am Report abuse
Would you please define “a British accent” I live in Britain and there are dozens of variations and intonations in speech.
I would presume the same variations occur in all countries.
The “Spanish ”accent in Catalonia, Galicia and Andalucia is different from that spoken in Madrid. Mexicans speak Spanish with a different accent from Spaniards. I actually like listening to it - maybe a childhood throwback to watching Zorro or the Cisco Kid.
The USA has different regional accents from “standard” American English, which I presume would be based in the New England states.
So, what you are saying is, that as an anti-British Argentinian who frequents like minded Latin American clubs in the USA you don't like hearing a British accent. Surprise, surprise.
Is it because it reminds you of your inferiority ?
Upper American society seem to revel in using British presenters at their top award ceremonies. Why would this be if they find it so unpleasant.
Sussie used to come out with this same line of talk - blooody rubbish British accent. Are you related by any chance ?

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