Thursday, February 14th 2013 - 20:10 UTC

UK will block IADB and World bank loans to Argentina because of financial ‘misconduct’

UK joined the group of countries that vote against granting multilateral organizations’ loans to Argentina as a form of protesting the mistrust generated by the government of President Cristina Fernandez recurrent international misconduct, reports the Buenos Aires media.

“Policy remains in review” said Justine Greening, UK International Development Secretary (Photo: Getty Images)

Following on a similar decision from the administration of President Barack Obama over a year ago, the UK announced it has decided to block Inter American Development Bank and World Bank loans until Argentina reviews its international financial ‘misconduct’.

“The policy will remain subject to review until the time in which in the future the actions from the Argentine government prove it is willing to abide with its international obligations”, said Justine Greening, UK International Development Secretary.

Arguments are very similar to those which in September 2011 were presented by the head of the International Affairs Office from the US Treasury, Marisa Lago. The difference is that UK detailed the list of Argentina’s non compliance of its obligations as member of the IMF. It also includes the IMF latest ‘declaration of censure’ because of the inaccuracy of its stats and breach of obligations.

“The IADB and WB available development funds are scarce: We must ensure they are adequately used, but given recent attitudes from Argentina, we are not sure that this country will do so”, argued Greening.

Other points mentioned in the UK report are Argentina’s non compliance with World Bank arbitrations (International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes) and the explicit decision to ignore obligations as active member of the IMF. Mainly the verification of the country’s stats as established in Article IV of the IMF charter. Since 2007 when IMF started to question Argentina stats, the Kirchner administrations have rejected the annual review.

“All this undermines significantly the possibility of seriously evaluating granting loans” and thus the instructions to UK representatives in the IADB and WB to vote against loans for Argentina. However as with the US, the UK will reserve the right to vote in favour of those loans aimed to improve poorest people’s living conditions, the Buenos Aires-based newspaper said.

So far the blocking votes have not impeded the approval of any credit, particularly with the IADB, where Argentina has strong support, but the same can’t be said of the WB which has seen negotiations for a new package of loans delayed.

Other countries have adopted a similar policy regarding credits from multilateral organizations. One of them is Spain, following the nationalization of Repsol’s majority stake in oil and gas company YPF. “We will press at all possible places we can” said Economy minister Luis de Guindos at the time. Germany and Italy have also objected to some loans and voted against them, but not as an explicit predetermined policy.
 

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1 LEPRecon (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
Oh this is funny.

No doubt the usual suspects will be on here claiming that the UK is picking on them (victim mentality), and Tobias will state that Argentina 'doesn't NEED anyone' before stomping off and pouting in a corner. :D

As more and more means of getting money is closed to Argentina, the closer to the end CFK and her cronies are.

Populist leaders only last as long as they can keep the masses happy. Soon even the great Malvina's myth won't save her from the rampaging hoards of Argentine citizens out for their pound of flesh. A least with Maximo, they all have a good chance of getting just that! LOL
2 reality check (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
My, my this is going to cause the sparks to fly. 10/1 the words colonial and imperial, appear in their response. Not the trolls on here, the BA trolls.
3 LEPRecon (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
@2 RC

Do you think CFK or Timidman will start foaming at the mouth? :D
4 Britworker (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
Much much more of this please. We need to stop being polite with them and start kicking them where it hurts at every oppurtunity.
5 ElaineB (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
After the extraordinary sanction by the IMF it was inevitable that access to money would be closed. Argentina is a lost cause now.

Roll on a change of government and a new start for Argentines.
6 MrFlagpole (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
I'm not sure that the UK blocking it is the freight phrase.

Joining the rest of the world is more like it.

I presume CFK would have seen this coming. So they must already know how to spin it
7 Britworker (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
Headline news in the B A Herald - Buenos Aires supermarkets are running out of food. I'm sure their starving people in the capital will be so pleased about all the money they spent in London this month and hiring a British jet for a million pounds!
8 slattzzz (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
Wonerful news we can use that money for another Type 45 destroyer to patrol the south atlantic
9 Brit Bob (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
What goes round comes around -The Argies have sown the seeds with their bullying now they must reap the whirlwind.
10 Anglotino (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
C-O-N-S-E-Q-U-E-N-C-E-S!
11 reality check (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
@3 Lep

Would you find it childish of me? If I said' “Oh I certainly do hope so!”
LOL
12 ChrisR (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
The noose is being prepared but will TMBOA be around to use it.

I think she will leg it as soon as the pot-banging starts in earnest, probably in the winter.
13 slattzzz (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
we could call it HMS Darwin to really rub salt in the wound
14 LEPRecon (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
@11 RC

Of course not! I'm going to buy popcorn and watch the show!! :D
15 reality check (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
Lep
Never liked reality shows, but in this case I'll make an exception. KFC & Timmerman Entertain, a whole new Genre.

Seriously though it was only a matter of time, these organisations had to reach a point where enough was enough, they were starting to lose all sense of credibility and were frankly being made to look foolish. IMF next.
16 kelperabout (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
It was just a matter of time for Britain to react. They were pushed to far in 1982 and now they are not going to let the Argentines get any upperhand and good for them. Laddy muck from argieland needs to do some serious thinking about her political carrear once word hits the BA streets that loans to their government is bieng stopped they will quickly realise that lady muck will pull their puppit strings even tighter. Do have to feel a bit sorry for the vast majority of the innocent living on the streets in Argentina. Brought about by a fanatical dictator that you have for a leader.
17 andy65 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
LOL I can hear Crissy already to Hector

Get Tango1 Ready Your Of To The UN to Complain First Thing.

I believe The United States have been asking The UK to join in this action some time ago and rightly so.
18 Steveu (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
@16 I liked your accidental typo “laddy” muck - it's what some of us have privately suspected for quite a while now!

Great news that their sticking two fingers up at us and the rest of the World is starting to reap the consequences.
19 yankeeboy (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
Ever since I heard IMF was going to censure I know it will become very difficult for IDB WB IFC ExIM bank to lend anything to Argentina. When Argentina pulls out of ISCID watch all the Intl companies pack up and leave too. Bye bye all auto mfg for starters...
20 slattzzz (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
well the trolls should be stirring soon standby
21 Musky (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
I don't want a single penny of my hard earned taxes going to fund CFK's expenditure. I'm happy for it to go to needy causes that bypass her government. Britain's £16Billion overseas development funding goes to many causes, benefiting recipients and us all in the long run but I'm damned if a country threatening us and our dependencies should get a single penny that extends its reign.
22 Pirate Love (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
Well argentina you let your stupid government make an enemy out of The Uk once again, and this is what happens???
see how easy it is? just the mention of one word “block” and The Uk can help stop loans to argentina, has argentina got the same power to do the same?? :)
....and its all down to the good work by argentinas nazi reich!
Argentinas next move....
operation IIIIII (Initiate Internationally Illegal Iranian Investment Ideas).

SELF-DETERMINATION....
23 andy65 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
Where are all our Argentine friends??? taking a nap perhaps??
24 yankeeboy (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
23. Electricity or Internet is probably out.
25 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:32 pm Report abuse
They failed to pay the bill on the internet and its been switched off....

Chucle chuckle!
26 andy65 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 12:06 am Report abuse
Call me kinky but I love seeing negatives appllied to Argentina
27 surfer (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 12:24 am Report abuse
I think they'll have a really strong comeback, on the subject of lasagne probably.

Lend money to Argentina/invest in Argentina, bye bye money.
28 briton (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 12:38 am Report abuse
i mentioned this yesterday,
and the argies still are not very happy,

still,
their bloggers have stated they want nothing from us,
a pity then they have not told CFK this..
29 Anbar (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:02 am Report abuse
I feel very sad for Argentinians... CFK & cronies are determined to stretch their private looting of the country's wealth to the very last day...and yet there is STILL NO OPPOSITION who they can vote for.

WHo said something along the lines of “Even if the Peronists lose they can ensure that any government that wins is made incapable of doing anything”.

the entire country and all its inhabitants, legitimate natives and colonial implants together, are victims of one of the 20th century's greatest evils: Peronism.
30 malicious bloke (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:16 am Report abuse
Just you wait.

Argtard nationalist: *puffs out scrawny little chicken chest* “HAHA REST OF WORLD WE'VE TAKEN YOU ALL ON AND WON YOU AREN'T GETTING YOUR MONEY BACK FROM US!”

Global financial institutions: “oh really? Well then, that's the last time we'll ever loan you money then, if you insist on being stereotypical hispanic financial derelicts”.

Hilariously scrawny Argtard Nationalist: “HAHA WORLD INSTITUTIONS, WE DON'T EVEN NEED YOUR MONEY HAHAHAHA!”

.....

scroll on a few months while typical argtard financial perfidy cripples their economy

.....

Argtard nationalist: “GIVE US LOTS MORE MONEY, WE MIGHT PAY SOME OF IT BACK EVEN THOUGH WE REFUSE TO PAY BACK THE LAST LOT!”

International lenders: “How about no, you worthless thieving benders”

Argtard nationalists: “OMFG HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO US IN OUR TIME OF NEED?! DON'T THINK WE WON'T REMEMBER THIS AND HOLD A GRUDGE NEXT TIME WE WANT TO STEAL SOMETHING FROM YOU!”

It is my hope that one day your country will grow up. I don't hold out much hope though...
31 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:46 am Report abuse
This is going to warm up the Argentine people to foreigners: because foreigners trying to impose their will on other nations has always worked to charm those you seek to bring into line. lol

As usual for the last 13 years since 2000 (that's now approaching TWO DECADES), we just erect our middle finger to the IMF, UN, USA, EU, UK, JP, China, Mercosur, and everyone else pretty much. Because we have in the past and nothing you can do about it.
32 wts (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:50 am
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33 Anglotino (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:55 am Report abuse
Tobias. That middle finger has consequences. Such as this!

Also 13 years is just over a decade. You can't even round it up to 2 decades.

It has taken Argentina just over a decade to approach the same place it says it had left behind

The question I have is this: who will the Argentine population blame this time? The IMF was blamed last time. The junta the time before.

The Internet wasn't around in 1982 to run a mirror on the Argentine population. And it was still in its infancy in 1999-2001.

This time the world can see what is happening step by step. In a year's time, who will you blame?
34 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:01 am Report abuse
Probably a combination of Mercosur, American vulture funds, and a few European nations.

That is, assuming your premise which I don't necessarily. However I will admit if the entire planet joins forces against us, we cannot win even though we can put of a good fight.

Of course, then the world will lose another two generations of Argentines from having any desires to abide by international “community” conduct, and we will be a headache to investors, the Falklanders, companies, and other general people around the world for decades to come.

One thing is for sure, just like Argentina saying some of the things it says about the islanders isn''t exactly “charming'” them to us, neither is what the world is doing to us exactly gonna warm our hearts.
35 Anglotino (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:04 am Report abuse
The “world” is not doing anything to Argentina.
36 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:06 am Report abuse
Ok.
37 yankeeboy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:25 am Report abuse
So Toby, How do you think CFK will make up the lost U$billions in funds from IDB/WB? It's in the 2012 budget.

You do realize WB pays most of you welfare payments right?
IDB funds most of your sanitary'/fresh water projects, right?

Do you think the Int'l companies will stick around after Argentina leaves ICSID? Ford, GM, Fiat gone how is Argentina going to make that up? Who is going to hire all the unemployed car mfg works and suppliers?
38 Britninja (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:33 am Report abuse
@34 “we will be a headache to investors, the Falklanders, companies, and other general people around the world for decades to come.”

And that pretty much sums up why your country is held in such contempt, when its sole petty ambition seems to be to become “biggest irritating asshole” of the world community lol.
39 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:37 am Report abuse
UK will block IADB and World bank loans to Argentina because of financial ‘misconduct’
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAA
Who cares. uk 3 millions unemployed..1.1 trillion public debt.....uk is FINISHED
Poor deluded useless ex empire

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI

www.debtbombshell.com/
debt:1.13 trillion and ticking...AHAHAHAHAHA
40 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:43 am Report abuse
@37

A question with incorrect premises cannot be answered. Last time I checked I pay the water bill to Mendoza Water Management Co.

Try again.
41 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:55 am Report abuse
@34Arifu

“That is, assuming your premise which I don't necessarily. However I will admit if the entire planet joins forces against us, we cannot win even though we can put of a good fight. ”

Here we go again - the usual cry of Argentina the Victim!

Arifu, nobody is doing anything TO you.

However, nobody will do anything FOR you now, either.
After you have stolen from you creditors after they rescued you the last time, and then aggressively insulted them for being suckers in the first place, they are hardly going to throw you a lifeline, that's for sure.

As to, “ the whole planet is against us” - of the 7b souls, only about 1.5b have ever heard of you, and of those, only 38m give a shit!!

Keep crying - we know you'll wear yourselves out and go to sleep.

Back to the subject, looks like Brazil and Panama are going to have a good year.
42 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:06 am Report abuse
I demand that everyone decide on a name for me and stick to it.

Tobias, Toby, Arifu, Nossy, Nostril, TTT, Tito, Elio Amarillo, Giorgio... I can no longer keep up with all the names.
43 Britninja (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:10 am Report abuse
@42 Oh there are so many tempting options ;)
44 Anglotino (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:23 am Report abuse
Tobias, Toby, Arifu, Nossy, Nostril, TTT, Tito, Elio Amarillo, Giorgio.

1/ You keep changing your own name
2/ Your name is too long and is usually abbreviated
3/ Your name glorifies that you troll so isn't that appealing to use

Why don't you choose a nice short one and stick with it. The names that are not altered are usually short and easy to use.

Anglotino is a joke between me and my ex. Me being Anglo and he being Latino.

Btw my name's Luke. Feel free to use either.

I call you Tobias because I've been told it is your name that you originally used on here. It is more personable and a nice name. I rarely use your full nom de plume here and nostrils is just a short cut.
What do you prefer?
45 yankeeboy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:26 am Report abuse
www.iadb.org/en/projects/advanced-project-search,1301.html?country=AR&nofilter

You'll notice there are an awful lot of projects in Mendoza getting funded with IADB $.
I guess they'll shut them down soon enough

web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/PROJECTS/0,,countrycode:AR~menuPK:64820017~pagePK:64414648~piPK:64414956~subTitle:All+Loans~theSitePK:40941~pageNo:1~pageSize:Show%20All,00.html

If you look about 1/2 way down the list WB is currently paying figure out how to keep BA from flooding, cleaning up the Riachuelo, huge portion of the counties health insurance...on and on and on
Rut ro
46 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:37 am Report abuse
let se # 37 yankee troll:Ford, GM, Fiat gone how is Argentina going to make that up They are investing now..unless you know more than them.....
Let see: FORD invested 1 billion in 2010 to make the PU RANGER
GM produced the 1 million AGILE Engine
FIAT expanded recently...yankee,better look at the situation in the USA....It is very delicate..2013-14 will be vey bad for the world....
47 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:20 am Report abuse
@45

“Archivo no encontrado”

Most Mendoza projects are done with my tax money, like the metro, the city highways. The only one that maybe done with “foreign” loans are those done by the national road entity, which we can't do anything about because they own some of the national roads. Mendoza only controls provincial roads.

@44

I would prefer you all leave us alone, actually.

Yes, Tobias is a nice name. A name that works in Spanish, English, German, French, Portuguese, Swedish, and Italian, and in all of them it sounds like a native name.
48 Anglotino (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:47 am Report abuse
Ok, I will now leave you alone!

I tried. I won't reply to you again. Good luck mate.

As this is a non-Argentine site and in English, you would be better perhaps living up to your ideals and actually leaving us alone.
49 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 05:24 am Report abuse
But it talks about my country... so sorry. I didn't learn 6 languages just to leave you alone. I am fulfilling the advice of sages by “keeping my enemies” close.
50 Tobers (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 06:11 am Report abuse
---I didn't learn 6 languages just to leave you alone---

Admittedly thatd be impressive if it is true. But not alot of good if you can't -communicate- with people.

---I am fulfilling the advice of sages by “keeping my enemies” close---

I reckon you'd be better off getting a life.

Like enjoying your self contained paradise of Mendoza without fearing that the Anglos are going to come riding over the Andes or breaking your shores anytime soon.
51 Musky (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 08:04 am Report abuse
@49 Nostrels
“keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer”... of course this does not apply to Argentina... it is its own worst enemy.

The Malvinas have brought Argentina nothing but trouble, rather Argentina's attitude to neighbours have brought it trouble. Move on, live your life and let everyone else live theirs.
52 lsolde (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 08:36 am Report abuse
@49 Nostril,
With your attitude, Princess, you deserve all the flak that you get.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself & stop feeling sorry for poor Argentina.
We don't hate Argentina, in fact most of us couldn't give a rat's arse about your precious Argentina.
We only lash out in response to what your country is doing to the people & land of the Falkland lslands.
Leave us alone & we'll leave you alone.
Simple, no?
53 reality check (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 09:39 am Report abuse
Isolde
U you summed that up very nicely.
Morning.p
54 Welsh Wizard (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 10:19 am Report abuse
Does anyone know of any spreadbetting/trading platform where I can bet on arg pesos?
55 Brit Bob (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 10:47 am Report abuse
Why is Argentina so Poor?

by Philip Greenspon.

http:??blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2013/02/14/why-is-argentina-so-poor/
56 kelperabout (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 10:52 am Report abuse
47 Nostrolldamus the
It has already been said above in comments. Take Note. Leave the Falkland Island people alond and this problem willl go away. The likes of you and your fellow dictators have brought this on yourselves. Your government has shouted the odds for to long now and finally they have annoyed prominant world leaders who unlike the peacefull Islanders will not tolerate it any lomger. Now your Country is again facing a massive financial crisis and it is the millions of poverty stricken in your Stolen Country that will now suffer even more.
The Chinese say this is the year of the snake. I have to slightly disagree with that because every year we have lived alongside the snake.
57 yankeeboy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 10:58 am Report abuse
47. You are what I like to call a blockhead, Mendoza doesn't self finance infrastructure projects. The province doesn't have that much of a surplus. So you are very mis-informed or lying.
www.iadb.org/en/projects/projects-by-country,6784.html
Look through this 10 page list under Argentina and you will see plenty of loans in MENDOZA.
blockhead.
58 Xect (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 11:19 am Report abuse
You know what they say, what comes around goes around.

The UK is exercising its diplomatic power to teach Argentina a lesson with the referendum and is now punishing Argentina economically.

This is what you have when you have a leader with an ego and a complete lack of manners who spews nonsense and insults with zero ability to back it up. If you treat other countries with a high level of disrespect who are in every sense of the word considerably more powerful than you, don't be surprised when they take action against you.

Only a fool pokes a tiger with a stick.
59 ElaineB (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
I actually think the contrary to the belief by some Argentines that 'the world is against them'. The world powers have tried very hard to get Argentina onside and to avert another crash. They have moved slowly and given Argentina a lot of time to get in line. They know it will not be CFKC and her band of robbers that are punished; it will be the poor and middle classes. No one wants to see a country fail.

And a properly managed Argentina trading with other countries would be far more beneficial to everyone, especially Argentines.

Despite what some Argentines believe, and indeed CFKC would have you believe, Argentina wants to join the clubs that give them access to money and a foot on the world stage, so they need to learn to play by the rules of the club.
60 yankeeboy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
46. mavi, It is frankly shocking as to how little you know about how Int'l corporations finance imports/exports expansions, all of those required $ and insurance probably loan guarantees. None of which will be forthcoming if Argentina is pushed out of the world's financial markets.

Without doing any research but knowing how companies work in the USA/EU/UK they won't be able to do business in countries that are not in good standing with IMF. There is just too much risk and they would probably have shareholder lawsuits filed immediately and it would probably put other loan guarantees in jeopardy.

Although they may not want to pull out of Argentina, without funding and the potential of lawsuits in the USA they'll have to leave. Most likely they'll open shop somewhere else in SA.

Maybe this will click for you, how many cars do you see being produced in North Korea?
There's your answer.
BTW Ford invested U120MM not a Billion and it is in 3 tranches over 3 years, so 40MM/yr. educate yourself.
61 Rufus (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
Can't help but be a bit confused, there are lots of Argentine posters calling for the international community to “leave Argentina alone”. Isn't that exactly what the UK (in conjunction with the US, closely followed by Spain, Germany and Italy) are going to facilitate.

The IADB and WB loans, coming from outside Argentina are clearly foreign interference, and to help Argentina be left alone it is clear that the loan applications should be rejected.
62 Boovis (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
@31: “This is going to warm up the Argentine people to foreigners: because foreigners trying to impose their will on other nations has always worked to charm those you seek to bring into line. lol”

What, like with Argentina vs the Falklands? Moron.
63 yankeeboy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
Argentina just release 2012 gov't budget figures. They had a deficit and it was the first time since 1996.
What most people don't understand is they now use Anses funds as general tax revenue AND the direct payments from BCRA flowed right into the gen revenue too!
This is Multi-Billions of pesos that are now in the budget that weren't there 5 years ago AND THEY ARE STILL RUNNING A DEFICIT.

The next ruler is going to find BCRA and ANSES bankrupt. I hope the RGs are saving their pension $ and welfare money because as soon as CFK is gone it won't be there anymore.

Generations of savings have been frittered away or stolen and yet the apathetic Rgs do nothing but sit by and let it happen.

It is sickening.
64 Conqueror (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
@31 Hollow, nosy, very hollow. What you need to do now is to research where your “country” borrows money from. The sources are beginning to dry up.

You wanted isolation. This is the beginning of isolation. Just the beginning. Like it?
@32 More than two! A few minutes research has already identified that loans are being voted against by the UK, USA, Spain, Germany and Italy.
@34 Oh dear. Argieland the “victim” again! But we've got you figured now. Viveza criolla. Lose two generations of argies? Make it twenty, would you? And you won't be a “headache”. When you can no longer affect anything outside your “country” or, at least, the continent, what are you going to do? You've been told, and told, and told. Your “country” thought it could do what it liked. It can't. You wanted “isolation”. You can do without anybody. Okay. Be isolated. Get by on your own. See who cares!
@39 Numpty!
@40 What's the matter, nosy? World coming apart? Take a look at what the IADB was being asked to fund. www.iadb.org/en/projects/advanced-project-search,1301.html?topic=&Country=ar&adv=true Say goodbye to it!
@42 Typical argie! “I demand!” Get lost.
@49 You are like your “country”. A waste of space.
@59 Let it go, Elaine. Neither he nor his “country” is worth the effort. They have got where they are today by their own efforts. Isn't it called “hubris”? I do hope everybody gets together and ignores him from now on. In fact, ignoring the majority of the trolls might be an idea!
65 spoon (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
Argentina don't need a shit from these 2 fuckers
66 ChrisR (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
I was alarmed to learn when I first came to Uruguay how many so called ‘educated’ people in AR do not have a working knowledge of commerce and therefore do not understand basic things like interest payments, depleted cash flow analysis and capital requirements versus operating money.

Brasil has its own uneducated ‘experts’ as well. I think I am seeing a trend here whereby the government relies on their lack of monetary knowledge to more easily bemuse them to the reality of the desperate situation AR is in.

And of course the argies puffed up self-importance does not allow truthful criticism of their government.

No wonder the RC Church is so popular in AR, which requires complete faith in fantasy, just like TMBOA.
67 yankeeboy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
66. Yeah it is kind of shocking. I remember when my monthly bills started to jump with some pretty hefty increases and my friend say so what it is only U$10 until I explained to him how % work. Then asked him if he thought he would get that same % or more increase in salary this month to make up the increase. Then he got it.

They are very ignorant about commerce, economy or sometimes simple math and for gosh sakes don't think about consequences for anything!
68 Gordo1 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
@36 Nostrolldamus the 10th

Why do you and your compatriots always blame others for the failures of your nation? This move by the UK to block loans to Argentina has been decided because of Argentine misbehaviour and arrogance - why does your nation fail to behave according to the rules followed by most other nations? We have to live together by following the “rule book”!
69 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
@68

Simple: you don't follow the rules when dealing with us. We tried following all the rules in the 1990s: the world robbed us BLIND then.

Ironic since@66, 67 complain about our stupidity in commerce but which nation has saved tens of billions by playing hardball in debt, taking over companies, and shaving a few percentage points from inflation-bonds? From which countries are the millions of Italians, Germans, Spaniards, French, American, Brazilian, Chilean, British, Mexican, Chinese, etc pensioners, companies, governments that we have outwitted in bonds, in companies, and trade, in car agreements, in gas-export agreements, etc?

Probably near a hundred billion when you put all those together over 13 years since 2000 when we wised up and stopped allowing being the most RIPPEd nation on Earth (in bonds, in utility bills, in general consumer prices for things, etc).
70 yankeeboy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
E gads I am so sick of the way RGs change history. IMF gave you guidelines/suggestions to implement, you didn't do it, they can't make you so they withdrew support.
Don't blame others for your intransigence.
Look to all your fellow SA countries, those that listen to and made the changes the IMF suggested are all doing very well and are on the path to prosperity. Those that didn't are failing do you think it is co-incidental it is all the ones you are aligned with?
71 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
@70

Argentina from 1995-2002 had 1.5% inflation a year (and deflation from 1999-2002). This is completely a fact look it up.

Yet our utility bills, even as our incomes fell due to recession, were at international market prices PLUS raise at 3-4% inflation of the USA/Europe (depending on where the thieving company was headquatered). THat meant that in 2000 when there was -2% inflation in Argentina and 4% in the USA, our utilities went up 7%, THIS BEFORE ANY MARKET DRIVEN SUPPLY/DEMAND increases. Basically, that's like you getting 7% on your electric bill because “it's 2013, no other reason”.

That all came crashing down three years later when all prior agreements were torn to shreads. Not because Argentina wanted to just do it, but because foreigners HAD ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD FAITH, they woudn't even sit down with us. They thought Argentina wouldn't pull the nuclear option, but it did:

It defaulted, it tore up all utility agreements, all trade treaties, and told the IMF to stuff it. No nation had ever done simultaneously in history before, and none of your countries was expecting such a ballsy reaction.

You had the chance to be fair to us in the 1990s, you even had the chance to show some “mercy” in 2002, you refused both times. Now, suck the consequences, we won't be fair to you, and we have no mercy for your pensioners, companies, and trade agreements.

Our way, or the highway.
72 yankeeboy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:02 pm Report abuse
Nice Cherry picking of events, Argentina's electrical, water, sewer, highway basically weren't updated since the 50s! Int'l copanies had to spend BILLIONS to bring the systems up to the 90s. Do you think they'll do that for free? Do you think there is no cost involved? Do you think inflation rate should be exactly inline with utility rates?
Now, since you tor up the agreements there has been no upgrade to your electric grid for 10 years since the rates have not increased. THIS IS WHY YOU ARE HAVING BLACKOUTS every time it rains an inch,
You are your own worst enemy.
You can't run a modern society the way the Ks have the last 10 yrs. You are going backwards. You'll be lucky to have heat this winter I don't think they have enough U$ to by gas for BA alone.
73 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
We decided to take the highway.

Now you are crying about it.
74 kelperabout (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
71 Nostrolldamus the
Everything you say was brought on by your very own Countries desire to refuse to sit down with any foriegn country because Argentina thinks they are the masters of South America. To admit to debt and wrong doing would be like committing internal political suicide .
Now after years of throwing tantrums instead of listening to the educated of the world you are bieng punished. You leader if she had any ounce of respect would at least protect her less well of instead she has amassed millions of dollars for her self and the worst bit is NO one in Argentina has the balls to stop her.
71 Nostrolldamus the . Do the right thing now and stand up to your crsckpot of a leader and her cronies and who knows someone out side of Argentina may start to like you.
75 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
@72, 73, 74

Sorry but we cannot yield to foreigners. That is a non-starter.
76 yankeeboy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
BTW most of those agreements Nestor unilaterally “tore up” have been ruled against Argentina and you owe around U$65B in outstanding judgements that are accruing daily interest and penalties.
Eventually they will have to be paid.
Probably by the next ruler

So what did you get with your arrogance, crumbling infrastructure in lieu of incremental increases over the past decade. It takes a lot more $ to replace than maintain but I guess you'll find that out in around 2030.
77 Gordo1 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
@71 Nostrolldamus the 10th
Do you revise what you post before pressing the “submit comment”? All you have done is reiterate that Argentina is to blame for nothing and the rest of the world has it in for your country.

¡Pobrecitos! Patéticos - ¡les tengo lástima!
78 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
@71

”You had the chance to be fair to us (the Falklands) in the 1990s, you even had the chance to show some “mercy” in 1982, you refused both times. Now, suck the consequences, we won't be fair to you, and we have no mercy for your pensioners, companies, and trade agreements.

Our way, or the highway.”

I couldn't have put it better myself ^_^
79 Tobers (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
@Nos...

Nobody really cares about Argentina. They wanted to do business with you. Thats all. There is no conspiracy against -Argentina-. Now the price of doing business with Argentina is too high and people will look elsewhere . As they leave they'll not thank you for wasting their time. But thats all, Drama Queen. Nothing else.
80 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
@79

I hope that is 1000% true. We don't care and we don't want to do business in viceversic fashion.

@76

You are dreaming as usual. More likely Europe will pay the 137 trillion it owes in reparations and the USA the 241 trillion in the same. Add the 399 trillion in 400 years of Euro-yank imperialism and you are owing 777 trillion, as I said all along.

If you include interest since 1999, plus inflation, you all are owing 1.1 quadrillion.

Pony up, just one quadrillion.
81 kelperabout (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
80 Nostrolldamus the
From your comments and desire to run from the truth I reckon you are in need of some psysological help my friend. Maybe you are suffering from serious depression. You can get helpfor this you know. One of the best ways would be to get out of the Argentine regime it clearly is killing you. From the way you write most would believe that you are taking on the whole world single handed. Trust me on this you acheive very little on your own. Come and join us in our campaign more people believe us than your getting. Oh and by the way funny how Argentines use the phrase we Islanders don't exist yet you are in communication with quite a few of us on here.
82 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
“Your campaign”? I believe it's enough that I acknowledge your self-determination as a culture to chose how you wish to live and be ruled. While my government mulishly burkes this concept, it is also true Argentines are being denied the same right of sovereign choices of whom we want to engage with, trade with, or negotiate with. Around the world nations are pushing legal channels to acquiesce to their demands, in effect attempting to run our country from outside.
83 agent999 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
@80 Nostrolldamus the XXX

What are these reparations you keep dreaming about ?
84 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
www.thelawkeepers.org/repara~1.htm
85 yankeeboy (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
Slavery reparation bAhahaha oh good gracious nice site.
Well there is a much better chance that Argentina will be paying the judgement way before we pay reparations.
Plus Argentina had slaves and to get rid of them you first used them for cannon fodder then send the remaining to Uruguay.
Nice bit of ethnic cleansing.
I wouldn't be the first one to throw that stone if I were you.
86 LEPRecon (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
@82 - Tobias

Here we go again.

No forced Argentina to join all these international bodies, they chose to do so. But joining these bodies means that you promised to follow the rules.

But Argentina wants all the benefits of belonging to these international bodies without taking on any of the responsibilities that go with membership. Argentina won't even follow the rules and regulations that you PROMISED that you would.

I guess keeping your word isn't a matter of honour and national pride to Argentina.

So if Argentina won't play by the rules, then you can expect to be censured and banned from these organisations. That incudes any benefits or prestige you may have gained from being a member.

You want the world to leave Argentina alone. Fine we will. But 1st pay back all the money loaned to you in good faith that you PROMISED to pay back.

Soon or later Argentina will pay. The longer it takes, the more it will cost you.

The more you shirk the promises you made, the less likely any country will assist you. I mean why should they? Argentina never keeps it's word, so no matter what you 'promise' everyone will know that you won't keep it and can't be trusted.

You wanted isolation.

Well congratulations, by the end of this year you'll probably have it, except for your 'good' buddies the Iranians and Venezulans. And Venezula will probably only be your friend as long as Chavez lives. The moment he croaks, Venezula will call in all the debts owed it. When Argentina refuses to pay back the money loaned, you will have lost your only friend of any worth in South America.

No international aid means this default will be worse than the last one, because ALL international markets will be closed to you.

Enjoy living in poverty Tobias.

And remember, the day Argentina stops blaming everyone else for the problems you created, is the day you will finally have a decent government.

I won't hold my breath on that happening any time soon.
87 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
82 Tito The Clown Troll

“in effect attempting to run our country from outside” wa, wa, wa!! always the victim huh Tito?

Once again your laughable interlect has missed the point by a country mile and you are showing your self up to the clown that you really are.

No one is “attempting to run our country from outside” we are just p*ssed off with Argentina not abiding by the argeements that she signs, the rules of the organisations that she is apart of.

If this makes the ordinary Argentinian VERY angry then that's great!! Maybe the ordinary Argentinian will grow a pair enough to string KFC up by her ol' turkey Neck........

....and that clown Timerman as well
88 agent999 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
@84 Nostrolldamus the
If that article is your basis for your statement of reparation, do you also agree with all the other articles on the same site ?

Try your luck with this one
zemonster.tripod.com/cheesy.html
89 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
This is exactly what happens when you eat too much horse meat you end up like a the French. Lol i will like to thank UK for supporting Argentina to end corruption, foreign currency always fueled inflation and breeds corruption. The best steps taken by IMF, EU as well as UK is ending the dirty money flow into my country. That's what we have the national bank for to keep our money safe from the reach of international vultures and crooks,
90 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
Actually its horse meat bolognese with donkey lasagne.

With a side of Salmonella E alfalfa sprouts.

And a glass of Antifreeze Austrian wine.

YUM! European classics!
91 reality check (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
Your money, $US, don't make me laugh. You have been using other peoples money for years, well the supply is about to be turned off.
92 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
What you have to realise is that Argentina is a bit like a heroin junkie...

nostril on the inside sees a brave, cool, charismatic, rule-challenger..living on the edge.

We see an amaciated, sick, thieving, murdering, shadow of country.

nostril thinks nothing of stealing to get his next fix, we wish there was someway he could see the damage the heroin is doing.

We'd like him to get off the drugs and make the best of the potential he undoubtedly has, he sees our kindness as weakness, hopes he can steal from us, and thinks we want to “control him”.

We come back time and again with more chances, more loans, more business, despite the fact on the last heroin binge 900 people dies....he throws it back in our face with more lies and deceit.

So what to do with our junkie friend?

Keep trying to help, seeing the likes of Simon who actually understands the potential of Argentina, their is reason for hope beyond the pity.

But looking at Nossie....the embodiment of CFKs propoganda, the sick junkie, shadow of a loser, surely the kindest thing to do is what he asks, take a step back and watch him choke to death on his own vomit.
93 agent999 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
@84 Nostrolldamus the
If that article is your basis for your statement of reparation, do you also agree with all the other articles on the same site ?

Try your luck with this one
zemonster.tripod.com/cheesy.html
94 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
@93

So what you are saying is “guilt by association” damns all involved.

Well, the UK attacked another country without any provocation whatsoever in 2003. Then we can conclude that all conflicts fought by the UK were immoral.
95 Tobers (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
@Monkeymagic

good analogy
96 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
#91 sorry dude but you being fooled by some Argentine politician scam not me, Now as I was saying thanks for the money we never got and thanks for stopping the money we Argentines will never use, I truly mean it, because Argentina debt was created to theft Argentina's resources and not to help the civilians. Now you know how much we Argentines care for your money. Do us all a favor and keep it, I think we rather pay interest at our banks at home, rather then feeding foreign pirates and thieves. Get informed.
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
#92 trying to blame CFK for CIA opium trade in Afghanistan is quite amusing, that amounts of opium must make the english imagine stuff. Maybe you can blame the cocain trade in colombia and Mexico on CFK as well while CIA job is clean floors, Stupid is as stupid does.
#93 is that link to a horse meat packaging company? Argentine's like to eat 100% beef.
97 LEPRecon (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
@96 - PH

You know what you need?

A nuclear weapon 100% made in Argentina. You can use all those non-existent dollars to fund it.

You know the ones, don't you? They're kept next to the non-existent Malvinas islands.

Tobias

Every time you post I read:

“Stop picking on me! It's not fair! Okay I promised to play by the rules, and that was okay when I was winning, but now I'm losing I want you to change all the rules for me. Then you kick me out of the game for not playing by the rules, but that's okay 'cos I didn't wanna play anyway! Why won't you let me play? Stop picking on me! It's not fair!” and so on and so forth.

You never even change the tune. Pathetic much?
98 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
@96 PH ALEX VARGAS

ALEX
You call it 'your' money and 'your' country, and you don't care if the money is cut off.

We don't care either, better not to send good money after bad, and YES, there is $100 b that Argentina received and did not repay.

However, let's keep things in perspective, YOU DO NOT LIVE IN ARGENTINA.
You have not lived there since you were a child and according to you, YOUR FAMILY FLED ARGENTINA AS REFUGEES to Canada.

They were looking for a better life and they got it.
You have lived all your life here andYOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT LIVING AND WORKING IN ARGENTINA.

Easy for you to dismiss the consequences of Argentina's default when YOU ARE UNAFFECTED and UNCONCERNED.

It shows what kind of person you are, that you have no compassion for the poor and innocent who have been victimised by CFK.
99 C0nqueror (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:44 am
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100 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:19 am Report abuse
Anyone else think that this Conq. is an imposter??
101 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:24 am Report abuse
Nice to see you sticking up for such an upstanding and positive contributor like Conqueror.

Then you wonder why I have no respect for any of you. All your crying about me trolling and here you are, doing all you can to keep “clean” Conqueror's sheet...
102 Anglotino (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:04 am Report abuse
@100 Troy

Yep it's Suzie. This is her new tactic. Changing an O to a zero. The moderators remove the entire comment if it is the last one but just block it if it isn't.

She has posted on every article today. They were removed not long after I reported them.

As you can also see, some other trolls are too stupid to see that.
103 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:32 am Report abuse
#60,yankee:mavi, It is frankly shocking as to how little you know about how Int'l corporations finance imports/exports expansions, all of those required $ and insurance probably loan guarantees. None of which will be forthcoming if Argentina is pushed out of the world's financial markets.“
Wrong..Corporations have a taugh time now,just look at the crash in stocks.The last thing theywill do,is asfixiate a county,with much better indicators than many in Europe.It is like the ”vulture funds”....
,.The brits corporations will soffers,much more than Argentina.True,CFK is incompetent,like menem was...and Argentines,put over 100 billions USD out of the system,thank to the lack of confidence.I am very aware of that.Argentina does not need IDB or foreign loans..They need to capture the local income,that is all...........
104 Ayayay (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:03 am Report abuse
The.ppl who speak & act constructively in Argentina must be a little lonely.
105 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:37 am Report abuse
@102 Anglo

“As you can also see, some other trolls are too stupid to see that.”

LOL, we do have some stupid ones on here.

Nostril/Arifu never notices anything that does not relate directly to himself.
106 ElaineB (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 08:54 am Report abuse
The Argentine government wants to fight the system because it is not clever enough to play the system and win.
107 yankeeboy (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
Solvay is pulling out of Argentina and taking its good paying jobs with it.

There will be nothing left when this horrible shrew finally is gone.
She is going to leave it looking like Bolivia.
It is very very sad.
108 Xect (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
@103 - Malv

'The last thing theywill do,is asfixiate a county,with much better indicators than many in Europe.'

Heh Argentina has possibly some of the worst indicators in the world. Maybe you could argue you're on-par with Spain but not many other countries.

Inflation out of control, bizarre leadership that causes more economic suffering by the day, getting kicked out of international bodies that you desperately need money from, stealing companies, about to default on bonds again. These economic indicators are woefully bad.

Argentina most likely needs to go bankrupt once more to clear down debts it clearly can't pay and then hopefully the people will wake up and realise the current leadership and any form of peronism has proven itself to be nothing but a disaster.

Then if the new leadership could operate in the same way other SA/respected international countries operate Argentina would be in a superb position to exploit its huge natural resources.

However until that happens and you stop being lead by an egomaniac who doesn't care if your country as long as she continues to get rich at your expense then you have no hope. What does her wealth increase since taking power equate too now? 800% increase? Someone is getting very, very rich at your expense.....

Lets hope there is a wake up call for the people of Argentina, a removal of all forms of peronism and a realisation that the problems you suffer are the ones you've created. If you reengage on international agreements, steal companies and don't pay your debts, its not the fault of the international bodies and/or countries, its your fault. Grow up and take some ownership of your own problems, its a coward that blames them on other people.
109 yankeeboy (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
and the 1st of the Unions is striking because a 22% increase just doesn't cut it.
Everyone seems to want 35%, I wonder why?
The problem is if they get 35% this year they will probably want 60% next year.
All the provinces are saying they can't afford any increases in employee's salary.
I guess they need to print more pesos, right? Isn't that the solution? Seems right to me.

So fun to watch an inflation/wage spiral out of control.

I can't wait to see how this all turns out.
110 Ayayay (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
Argentines have probably PRAYED that loans stop to their less-well-managed government.
111 DanyBerger (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
Meanwhile in the real world...

Argentina is doing well I can say excellent compared with falling countries like UK, USA, Spain, etc.

Now lets see IMF and WB are the more wasting of money institution you can ever be associated with.

They take over a healthy economy and turn it into a financial casino crash nightmare.

They only provide a venue to international bankers and speculators to make big business on the back of the taxpayers.

So why not to pull out of this institutions and save $$$$ with that money Argentina can expend 4/5 billions at years to produce Arms, new missiles or whatever she want.

What Argentina is getting now?
Noting is paying money to be lecturing for people that have poisoned economies all over the world and when financial crisis hits they run away.

I guess that UK, Spain, Greece and even US will need more loans from IMF than Argentina.

Argentina should need to keep living by its own means not asking loans to any international bank will take more time but in the end is the wise way to become rich.

What Argentina has to do is to stop to subsidise privates companies and keep the price down by introducing competition like happen in other areas.

@ yankeeboy

What you said is a lie many companies have no invested a penny and they only where taking profit away.
Or they have being declaring State funding as own investment like water companies in the past, railways, electricity distributor, etc

The trace of Menen mafia poison from the ’90 still a live in Arg economy DNA.
Will take still some time to get rid of it.
112 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
@Dany

Your Government IS Argentina.
EVERY Government you elect IS Argentina.

YOU, the people, put them in there to manage your affairs, for ALL Argentinians.

Your Government, as representatives of ALL Argentinians, had the choice to borrow money, or not.

It is your responsibility to run your economy and your country, nobody else's.
You keep telling us 'non-Argentinians' that very message.

It's time for you to be accountable for your own actions and your own choices.
113 golfcronie (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
@111
Bought those shares yet Dany, you know you want to
114 MagnusMaster (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
@108 “
Lets hope there is a wake up call for the people of Argentina, a removal of all forms of peronism and a realisation that the problems you suffer are the ones you've created. If you reengage on international agreements, steal companies and don't pay your debts, its not the fault of the international bodies and/or countries, its your fault. Grow up and take some ownership of your own problems, its a coward that blames them on other people.”

You hope too much. The old people in Argentina still remember how everything was fine with Peron and every schoolbook shows Peron as a great leader who helped the poor, oh and he burned churches and persecuted people but those are just details. 80% of Argentines believe in Peronism, no matter what happens, because they are reptilians with the brain of an amoeba. They don't see the issues with populism, they don't know what populism is. One day they see some politician who looks cool and they vote him, they keep voting him while things are fine, when things are bad they kick him out and vote someone else and the cycle continues. They can't do any analysis, they can't see any bad signs, they can't learn, all they do is just vote politicians in exchange for a piece of food and bang pots when things go wrong.

And what's even worse, the people won't do anything, because there is no hope of anything changing for the better, so they just move on with their lives and live each day in the present, without ever looking at the future. The Once tragedy shows how people behave in this country: they are outraged at first, the government does some damage control, then a year later everyone gives up doing anything to change stuff and pretend nothing happened. I wish some foreign country would step in before things get worse but nobody cares about Argentina.
115 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 06:31 am Report abuse
#97 I don't remember asking retards anything.
#98 I don't think you can fix any businesses by throwing more money at it, and a country couldn't be any different. But you can do as you wish in UK, USA or whatever planet you come from but Argentina's self determination is not negotiable. It can't be that hard to remember, You aren't even Argentina and it doesn't seem to stop you from spewing your bias mental diarrhea.
Lol poor and innocent? Are you talking about the same Argentine's you blame for being corrupt and thieves?
#106 you know nothing about banking but I am sure you can be a great gambler.
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
#107 you out of anyone here should be happy judging by how you dislike Argentina, CFK and our people. Unless you think Bolivia is in better shape then Argentina.
#108 we voted for CFK and am I ever glad she is not working to please, cater or satisfy foreigners. IMF is just a tool.
#109 I am sure you will not be sad for the poor victims in Argentina anymore. Do you know how to write hypocrite?
#110 sure we did, right after finding out IMF contracts and accountability procedures, When you consider the bill and the outcome we must all agree that IMF and WTO contracts with Argentina must be Scraped.
#111 The english community has no interest resolving problems in europe, they are too busy minding Latin America.
#112 we will be accountable when IMF is accountable.
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
#114 we voted for CFK, I think! You don't seem to know much about Argentina.
116 DanyBerger (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 08:23 am Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter

I will like to add to your list...

.Viva Peron and long live to lovely Cristina.
.Constitution reform to vote for her again.
.Expropriation of all British asset until they return the Islands to Argentina.

.Invasion of any any British territory every weekend just for fun.
117 lsolde (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 09:21 am Report abuse
You are a peanut brain, Dany.
A small peanut at that.
118 ChrisR (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 11:48 am Report abuse
@115 Prat-Junta

How did YOU manage to vote for TMBOA when you live in Canada and CANNOT return to argieland?
119 DanyBerger (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
@lsolde

What’s wrong?

You didn’t like the part of “Viva Peron”?

Can I add in the constitution reform the replacement of “The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory. The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.”

For by any means including war?

@ChrisRambo,

Have you ever heard that in democracies people can vote even abroad in consulates?

Oh! I forgot you are still KingDom and you don’t vote for head of states because you are “Plebs”.

Humiliating....
120 Anglotino (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
@119 DanyBerger

Interesting points:

Talking about a dead leader. We prefer ones that are alive. A cult of personality. Is just that.... a cult.

Talking about the Argentine constitution. Let's face it, not really worthy the paper it's written on. I mean SIX coups in the last 83 years.

Seems the constitution is just nice decoration really.

And last; making fun of CONSTITUTIONAL monarchies. It's no wonder so many morons have trouble with this concept. After all it has the word CONSTITUTION in it.

How many of the military juntas were elected? While the Queen could be removed from her post by parliament. How did Argentina get rid of her last junta?

Hehe Argentine Constitution. Even Argentineans ignore it so it should be little surprise that it is even more worthless to the people living in the Falkland Islands.
121 lsolde (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
@119Dany,
On our side nothing is wrong.
What about your side?
And you are still a peanut brain.
Hope this helps.
122 ChrisR (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
119 Dunny-Burger

So you are telling me that Prat-Junta, your well known idiot in Canada, sponging off the Canadian people voted at the consulate for TMBOA?

That would not work in the UK because we don't vote for our political leader!

Did you not realise that? We vote for OUR Member of Parliament, what you laughingly call Law Makers in SA, even though they break all the laws on theft, taxation avoidance, etc. etc.

These people make our MPs look saint like in comparison.

Back to electing the PM. This falls to the political party who has the most votes national-wide. They are expected to nominate their leader as the PM. This allows the public to know who the PM will be and very often the electorate vote for the party in their elections, even if the prospedtive MP might be a complete idiot. Thats why we get idiots in Parliament: what's your excuse for the wankers in the political hierachy in AG?

Got it now? Somehow I doubt it, democracy is just a word in AR, it means nothing to the public and even less to TMBOA.
123 DanyBerger (#) Feb 20th, 2013 - 07:02 am Report abuse
@Anglotino

First mate who are we?

You are not British because Brit love to talk about all their dead mommies even the Queen seems to be dead.

You have suggested that you are Australian right? So nanny smelly queen from Windsor castle still has the power to remove your MP. Right?

So plebs of Her Majestic nanny smelly Elizabeth II shut up you are still prisoners of mother England as always have been the case.

You need a lot to do first and grow up before lecturing others about political matters.

The day you can elect your own head of state call me I hope to not be dead when that day comes.

@ChrisRambo

As always you are absolutely wrong may be democracy is not a perfect system also can be unstable but the Argies have removed Militaries juntas, govts and whatever they wanted when got pissed off.

Tell me how many monarchs you have removed?
You are still a middle age kingdom full of indoctrinated plebs to keep the circus running.

So Chris if you would have the power of argentine people you wouldn’t be living in Uruguay while contemplating who you lovely Britain falls apart. Because you know that noting will change in Britain.
124 Anglotino (#) Feb 20th, 2013 - 10:31 am Report abuse
@123 DanyBerger

As with most ignoramuses you have no actual idea about how Australia is run. So I'm not surprised you resorted to insults. Qite a typical response of people that are embarrassed by their system.

Try googling “crowned republic” to educate yourself.

How democratic is Australia? I'd compare it to any country and other than a handful, it would come out on top each time. Yours?

As for an elected head of state, did having one of those prevent dictatorships ruling at one time or another in South America?

Non-democratic rule since Australia was voted into existence:
Argentina 1930–1932; 1943–1946; 1955–1958; 1966–1973; 1976–1983
Bolivia 1899–1904; 1920–1931; 1936–1947; 1951–1952; 1964–1971; 1971–1982
Brazil 1930; 1964–1985
Chile 1924–1925; 1927–1931; 1973–1990
Ecuador 1937–1938; 1963–1966; 1972–1979
Paraguay 1940–1948; 1954–1993
Peru 1914–1915; 1930–1931; 1933–1939; 1948–1950; 1962–1963; 1968–1980
Suriname 1980–1988
Uruguay 1973–1985
Venezuela 1908–1935; 1948–1958

So of the 11 countries in South America that were republics in 1901, one has stayed a democracy continuously.

ONE! Colombia.

The rest had (rough reckoning) more than TWO HUNDRED YEARS of non-democratic rule.

“You need a lot to do first and grow up before lecturing others about political matters.”

Actually I would think that living in one if the world's oldest continuing democracies that there is always “a lot to do”-complacency breeds contempt-and I'm well placed to lecture others.

“The day you can elect your own head of state call me I hope to not be dead when that day comes.”

I hope that day doesn't come. No the part about you dying but the elected head of state. One guarantee before I die.... one of those 11 countries with an elected head of state will have an unelected one.

“Argies have removed Militaries juntas, govts and whatever they wanted when got pissed off.”

Can't imagine being that pissed off.We just vote then out.

Seems easier. And surprising regular for us.
125 ChrisR (#) Feb 20th, 2013 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
@123 DanyBerger aka Dunny-Burger

I refer you to the answer in 124 above.
126 lsolde (#) Feb 20th, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
@123 DanyBerger,
Has ANY of this helpful information sunk into your very small peanut brain, Dany?
Perhaps you should read it again(& again & again!),potatohead!
127 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 20th, 2013 - 11:17 pm Report abuse
#123 incorrect! some things are changing, the british now are eating horse meat, and CNN is reporting food shortages.
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/horsemeat-scandal
#118, #122 like it or not WE get to vote wherever we are, that's what I mean with WE ARGENTINES, But as I stated monarchies do not understand how a legitimate democracy works.
www.terramigrante.ch/en/2011/07/14/voto-argentino-en-el-exterior
#119 I don't think a monarchy can ever understand how a democracy works. I can bid you a governor general that they don't.
#120 says the people who have being killing innocent Muslim women and children all over Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and sirya, If I were you I wouldn't be lecturing anyone on democracy when your kind solves everything with war and murder. About you take the log from your eye. To see better.
#124 if Colombia is your idea of a good democratic government, I hope Argentina build a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina soon.
Are you suggesting we sink or burn british ships in islas malvinas Argentina?
I like the idea but I don't think the british illegal aliens will like that very much. I do like practical approaches that uses reciprocal laws to bring day light into a problem debated in a international forum.
www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2011/12/13/3389001.htm
#125 I doubt the native Australians thinks like the implanted brits, but we all know you people are the same anywhere we go, unfortunately for you the brits in all their forms have no credibility. But thanks again for trying, don't forget to play again.
I can't believe an aussies is more interested in Argentina's loans then innocent Muslims being murdered by the english community all over Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Sirya, that tells us a lot about aussies priorities, No wonder your tourist getaways are targeted by Islamist.
128 Anglotino (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 12:53 am Report abuse
Pirat-Hunter says:
“I can't believe an aussies is more interested in Argentina's loans then innocent Muslims being murdered by the english community all over Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Sirya, that tells us a lot about aussies priorities, No wonder your tourist getaways are targeted by Islamist.”

I say:
I can't believe you think you can argue.

By the way, why did your parents leave Argentina to live in a constitutional monarchy? Because it was a military dictatorship?

Gotta love an illerate and uneducated hypocrit.
129 DanyBerger (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
@Anglotino

Please tell me where are those insults idiot (see here an insult idiot)?

Who cares how a minor country like Australia is running in this world to start with?

The fact is that you cannot vote for your head of state and mommy smelly queen Elizabeth II has the power to remove your PM if she wish so. What for a western country is very humiliating at least.

Ah! I forgot that you are not even a western country because you are in the South West Pacific (Oceania) do you eat rise like the Chinese too?

“crowned republic” or “Coward Republik”? another euphemism for a colony of smelly nanny Elizabeth II Queen of England perhaps?

Mate your dictator is in Windsor castle and that will never change and you have not power to change that because you like to be Plebs of the English Crown.

So the day you become a real independent country or a Republic, call me but you have to grow up first.

“I love Australians and Australia,” said the Queen, “and I don’t understand why you can’t have your own country.” Nanny smelly Queen EII agrees with us that you need to have your own country idiot.
So shut up because you are only are embarrassing yourself with the crap you post all the time.
130 ChrisR (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
@129

Are you Sussie?

You rant like Sussie, you have as many errors in your facts as Sussie.

Remember the saying: walks like a duck, quacks like a duck: MUST be a duck.

Poor Sussie, Dany WTF your name is.
131 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
“Dany? Off with his head!” said the Queen
132 lsolde (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
@128 Anglotino,
You've got Dany rattled!
He/she/it is beginning to fall to pieces.
Keep up the good work!
@129 Dany,
Why don't you like our Queen?
What harm has she done to you?
And with all her money(more than you, l would venture to say)she can afford as much soap as she wants).
(whats the price of soap these days in Argentina? can you afford to buy some, Dany?).
So l doubt that she is “smelly”at all.
Are you “smelly”, Dany?
lts “RICE”, Dany, not “rise”. And yes, l do eat rice.
lts a very big part of S.E.Asian cuisine. Especially lndonesian food, which l am particulary fond of.
Don't you eat rice, Dany? And you don't like kebabs either.
Just good German food, ja?
You don't know what you're missing, idiot.
Peanut brain.
133 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 02:36 am Report abuse
@130Chris

“You rant like Sussie, you have as many errors in your facts as Sussie.”

I think too, Dany might be Sussie .

Same racism, too.

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