Saturday, February 16th 2013 - 10:09 UTC

Fifty experts are mine-clearing three areas next to Falklands’ capital

The BACTEC team is now fully deployed in the Falkland Islands clearing three minefields: two in the vicinity of Mile Pond and Mullet creek and the third south of the water tanks on the Stanley to Darwin and Goose Green Road. The mine-clearance project for these areas should be over by the end of March.

Deminer working along MPA road. (Photo by Kev Bryant)

Zimbabwean experts have been before in the Islands

A number of anti personnel mines have been located and these are to be destroyed on 16th February 2013 in a planned controlled demolition In addition to clearing these minefields BACTEC is also carrying out more land release work on Stanley Common within the fenced area north of the Mile Pond to the south of the Falklands’ capital.

Thousands of antipersonnel mines remain in the Falkland Islands, a legacy from the Argentine military invasion of 1982, particularly around Stanley which was to be the stronghold against the British Task Force sent to recover the Islands.

On Sunday February 17 BACTEC will be processing Minefield 28 which lies just on the north side of the Stanley to Goose Green and Darwin road. This minefield was cleared in 1982 but up to now no verification has been carried out and the minefield is still classified as dangerous and fenced.

The BACTEC team is made up of fifty experts in mine clearance from Zimbabwe with vast experience all over the world and have been working basically hand-digging down to 20 centimetres and moving at a rate of between four, five or six metres a day per person. This is to help get an exact idea of the 32 metres panels which normally hold 16 mines and are the set-out of the minefields in the Falklands.

Technical Projects Manager for BACTEC Paul McCarthy admits Argentine records of the mined areas are not entirely reliable, since they were made at a time of heightened problems and the translations by the British in some parts make assumptions.

“It can be quite frustrating and from both sides (Argentine and British) because records were made at a time when there were heightened problems and so the accuracy has proven to be a little bit out especially on things like bearings. We need to unlock that intellectually. But on the same side of that is the fact the British have done the translations in ’82 and ’86 and again in the early ‘90’s and some of the information they’ve take from the Argentine records is they’ve made assumptions and that’s proven to be quite difficult as well, but it just adds to the fun to be honest” admitted McCarthy.

However for the Zimbabweans de-miners working in the Falklands is one of the nicest places in the world for this kind of job. The threat in the Islands is negligible compared to say with Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, and Mozambique where many of them have been posted recently.

“To be honest, they love it. Even just things like being able to go for a coffee or a beer  at the end of the week, it’s just a big morale boost to these guys. Besides they’ve been  down here on two other projects and they were really accepted by the community.
People have told us it’s really nice to have us back, and the guys are really happy to be back as well” pointed out McCarthy.

The only draw back in the Falklands is the weather, particularly the wind and slippery ground.

McCarthy said that “the guys have been digging the ground so they are walking on slippery soil and the lanes into the fields are only a metre wide, and when on the job you have the demining apron on which is their body armour, a gust of wind behind picks it up like a sail and we don’t want them stepping our of the cleared areas”.

BACTEC is scheduled to process the area within the minefield fence using the remote controlled armoured flail assisted by a number of de-miners. However as the flail may throw rock onto the road, traffic control measures will be in operation during February 17 from 7am to 7pm for the safety of road users.

Overall, the program is progressing well and it is expected that it will be completed by 24 March releasing an additional 900,000 square metres for public use while at the same time reducing the number of remaining minefields by four. (PN/FIRS)

(*) BACTEC is a UK based company which stands for: Battle Area Clearance, Training, Equipment and Consultancy Group.

 

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1 LEPRecon (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 10:22 am Report abuse
Falkland Islands Government.

Send the bill for the mine clearance to:

President Cristina Kirchner
c/o Casa Rosa
BA
Argentina.

Add interest on for all the years the land has been unusable.

They should be able to pay. Apparently according to CFK, Argentina has more dollars than anyone but the USA. ;D

But I also believe that when the international observers turn up for the referendum, they should be given a tour of the minefields, so they can see for themselves the blantant human rights violations the Argentine government did to the Islanders back in 1982, that are still having an impact today.

It'll certainly make them realise why the Falkland Islanders want nothing to do with Argentina.
2 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 10:23 am Report abuse
I hope they know where to send the bill?
3 HansNiesund (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 10:35 am Report abuse
I know a good stamp they could use.
4 Think (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 10:41 am Report abuse
TWIMC

I was wondering where our MercoPress bimonthly update about landmines was due....

Brainwash anybody?
5 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 10:48 am Report abuse
Think = oxymoron with the emphasis on moron

Just another Rg troll, please ignore
6 LEPRecon (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 10:52 am Report abuse
@4 Think

Crime against humanity, anyone?

Illegally placing landmines without marking their positions.

War crime, anyone?

Argentina starting a war, it then lost, but caused lots of damage.

Reparations, anyone? With 30 years of interest added on, anyone?

Think spouting crap.

Moron, anyone?
7 Think (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 11:21 am Report abuse
(6) Artemis Fowl

You say...:
“Illegally placing landmines without marking their positions.”

Technical Projects Manager for BACTEC Paul McCarthy says...:
“.....Argentine records of the mined areas are not entirely reliable, since they were made at a time of heightened problems and the translations by the British in some parts make assumptions.”

Having problems with English comprehension?
Or just making wild assumptions?
Brainwash anybody?
8 Anglotino (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 11:35 am Report abuse
LMAO. Yea ThinkDoD. God forbid that a society take an ongoing interest in removing unmarked mines during an illegal occupation.

I guess that being an arschloch is what happens when you live under a government that lies to its own people everyday.
9 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 11:40 am Report abuse
Brainwashed anybody?

No

They are your mines, you took them there, you planted them there, you left them there.

Now pay the costs for cleaning your filthy legacy up.
10 Think (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 11:42 am Report abuse
(8) Anglotino

1) Still having problems with English comprehension, I see?
Try the following...:
Technical Projects Manager for BACTEC Paul McCarthy says...:
“.....Argentine records of the mined areas are not entirely reliable, since they were made at a time of heightened problems and the translations by the British in some parts make assumptions.”

2) In German, all nouns are, always, capitalized... Arschloch is no exception....
11 MrFlagpole (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 11:43 am Report abuse
Get your cheque book out argentina.

actually. they'd probably prefer cash.
12 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 11:59 am Report abuse
Typical Argentine logic though. They plant the mines and blame the British translation of what little information there is, for the problem of locating them safely. You have to read it to believe it!
13 Falkland Islands (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 12:16 pm Report abuse
you don't even have to read it to believe it, the Argies can't help the way they are!
14 Redrow (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
“Not entirely reliable”. Why did you repeat that because it was damning enough for Argentina in the original article?

Remember we aren't talking about an unreliable watch or pair of scissors. They are talking about unreliable records of a minefield! Are you not even a little embarrassed?
15 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
They should strip all the explosives out, make it into a warhead and drop it on the Casa Rosa. Argentina once again avoiding their responsibilities. It's like an unruly child in the world who commits serial misdemeanors. But, when it goes belly up very soon, the world will ostracize this new member of the axis of evil. Locked out by all the international banks and financiers, ejected by G20, and laughed at by all and sundry except other pariah states.
16 Xect (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
There's hardly any point sending the bill to the Argentine government when its so poor it can't even pay its own bills.

Asking a bankrupt to pay what is owed is quite futile.....
17 screenname (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
@7 Think

You highlight that Technical Projects Manager for BACTEC Paul McCarthy says...:
“.....Argentine records of the mined areas are not entirely reliable, since they were made at a time of heightened problems and the translations by the British in some parts make assumptions.”

Should that be a problem? The war was in 1982, and plenty of Argentine veterans have visited the Falklands since. Would it be so hard to send the guys who put them there to tidy up the mess? Then there is no translation needed.

Or how about, if the minefields were mapped well by the Argentine military then hand copies of the maps over to BACTEC...oh yeah, BACTEC have already said the maps are ureliable.

Think an apologist for fascist imerialists. Brainwashed anyone?
18 Anglotino (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
“Argentine records of the mined areas are not entirely reliable”.

So unreliable means what?

re·li·a·ble
/riˈlīəbəl/
Adjective
Consistently good in quality or performance; able to be trusted.
Noun
A person or thing with such trustworthy qualities.
Synonyms
trustworthy - dependable - trusty - sure - safe - sound

Hmmm I'm guessing the British wouldn't have needed to make “assumptions” if the Argentines had been specific or reliable.
19 Anbar (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
“”“Brainwash anybody?”“”

wow, delusional or what?

Are they now pretending there are no mines and that they never existed at all?

Sad to see the depths to which ThinkDoD haas fallen, now pretending that the Argentines never invaded in '82 and dint leave loads of landmines around...

what a cretin
20 Falkland Islands (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
well... they pretend we don't exist, so why not exclude mines form their history too. it's all about the way Argentina twists history.
21 agent999 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
El Think
There were 20,000+ mines laid in at least 120 minefields, work began on clearing these mines late in 2009.

It is a slow and dangerous task, so it is not unusual report successes when they occur - this does not amount a you would call it brainwashing.

For you to treat a subject like this with such disdain is just pathetic.
22 Think (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
Well……….This is precisely what I mean with “Brainwash”.

Every two months or so, MercoPress treats us with an update on the “Landmine Situation”...

Conveniently omitting to mention that Argentina has, repeatedly, offered to the UK to remove all the mines.

Conveniently omitting to mention that Argentina has collaborated in full with all documentation and maps.

Conveniently omitting to mention that those mines, according to all international treaties, are the sole responsibility of the UK and they should, according to the same treaties have been removed more than a decade ago.

But conveniently allowing, every couple of months or so, a new Bunch of British Turnips to express their Faux and Uninformed Indignation, making total fools of themselves.

Brainwash anybody?
23 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
Sole responsibilty of the British . Now I am convinced. You are a senile fucking asshole!!!!!!!
24 andy65 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
The botox queen Crissy Kirchner and her ugly sister Alicia Castro should be made to removed them mines don'y you THINK STINK
25 Britninja (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
We shouldn't really expect any decency from Malvinista trash like Think - logic, rationality and responsibility are alien concepts to them.
26 LEPRecon (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
@22 Think

The laying of land mines WITHOUT acurately marking their positions is is breach of the Laws of Armed Combat also known as the Geneva Conventions.

Strangely enough Argentina signed those conventions.

So by laying those land mines so irresponsibly make Argentina in BREACH of the Geneva Conventions on the Laws of Armed Combat.

It is therefore Argentina's responisbility to make reparations to repair the damage you did.

But then keeping you word is an honourable thing to do. Argentina has no honour, so it has no problems breaking its word.

Just like it has no ability to take any responsibility for all the ills you have caused the people of the Falkland Islands, the native peoples of Argentina, or even your own 'disappeared' from the dirty war.

It isn't faux indignation. It is real anger, that Argentina is so dishonourable and doesn't believe in basic human rights, and refused to acknowlegde that you were WRONG when you illegally invaded that Falklands.

Lets look at more breaches of the Geneva Conventions, shall we?

- Opening fire whilst under a flag of truce - WAR CRIME
- Shooting at Pilots bailing out of an aircraft - WAR CRIME
- Imprisioning a civilian population for months at a time, and not marking the place were they are imprisoned to protect them - WAR CRIME.
- Boobytrapping the childrens' desk in the school with high explosives - WAR CRIME
- Hiding military equipment under the 'protected' Red Cross sympbol - WAR CRIME

There are probably many more, but I think we all get the picture.

Time does not erase crimes, Think. Nazi war criminals are still being hunted.

One day, Argentina will pay for all the crimes you've committed against humanity, that is assuming you don't turn on each other first, and commit those self same crimes against each other.

Just like in the Dirty War. How many crimes against humanity did Argentines commit against their fellow countrymen?

Pretending it never happened doesn't work Think/DoD, the world knows the truth.
27 Think (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
The Ottawa Landmine Treaty (1997):

Under Article 4's destruction provision, with the exception of mines necessary for demining purposes, each state party must “destroy or ensure the destruction” of all stockpiled mines it “owns, possesses, or that are under its jurisdiction or control” within four years of the treaty's entry into force for that Country.

Article 5 requires each state party to destroy all Anti Personal Mines in mined areas “under its jurisdiction or control” within 10 years of the entry into force date for that Country.

www.armscontrol.org/act/1997_09/apltreat

Inform yourself........, Turnips.
28 LEPRecon (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
@27 -Think

The laying of land mines without acurately marking their positions is a WAR CRIME.

“war crime means an act or omission committed during an armed conflict that, at the time and in the place of its commission, constitutes a war crime according to customary international law or conventional international law applicable to armed conflicts, whether or not it constitutes a contravention of the law in force at the time and in the place of its commission.”

Here is a link to educate you into what is, or is not considered a war crime.

www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/W/Warcrimes.aspx

Here are a few that Argentina committed during the Falklands War.

Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement, taking of hostages.

Making improper use of a flag of truce, of the flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy or of the United Nations, as well as of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions, resulting in death or serious personal injury.

Utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations;

Ordering the displacement of the civilian population for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand;

Also:

Civilians are not legitimate targets. Furthermore, combatants who have laid down their arms or become hors de combat, including those who are leaving sinking ships or parachuting from planes, must be treated humanely.

Or try this:

Placing minefields without marking and recording them for later removal is considered a war crime under Protocol II of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, which is itself an annex to the Geneva Conventions.

In other words the Ottawa Landmine Treaty is one thing, but it still doesn't absolve Argentina from the fact that laying them without acurately marking them was a WAR CRIME!

'Think' about that.
29 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
Think=oxymoron with the emphasis on moron.

Thank goodness all Rgs are not this thick
30 Anglotino (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
LEPRecon

Poor Think is off his game today. He mixed up his Think/Doveoverdover logins on the Stamp article (as well as try to best me in German and failing). And he just cornered himself in the 1833 Parallel Truths article.

He's probably tying to salvage a shred of dignity here. But I THINK he'll disappear for a while and let DoD take over.
31 Britninja (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
To gloss over the fact that Argentina placed the mines in the first place and then have the gall to bitch that we're not removing them fast enough is just a perfect example of why Stink and his cronies are beneath contempt.
32 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
That's right under article 5, the UK applied for and got a ten year extenstion to destroy your mines! I doubt very much it was meant to refer to minefields anyway, but hell, it suits you lot to twist and distort the treaty.

Go back and read Article 4 pay attention to the word, stockpiled! doubt it means mines laid and left behind by a defeated enemy. It relates to mines already held in ammunition stores. We no longer have them. Doubt I can say the same about you.

Tell you what, if there are some their in say 2029, why don't you try and bring us up before the UN for breaching the treaty, see how far you get before they laugh you out of the building.

Sole responsibility lies with the UK! Man you are a piece of work. Talk about trying to avoid responsibility real and morally, for your actions. You are responsible for them being there in the first place! Do not try and hide behind treaty negotiated nearly two decades later, to cover up your war crimes!
33 andy65 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
@Think Sooner your country inplodes and you are left begging the better and mark my words it will happen
34 GFace (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
@22,27, “Not our job” “We offered to do it.” “Look, I have a treaty!”

Typical fascist apologia we expect from “Think” wanting his have and celebrate his Dirty War and eat it too (well not the last part, he's a full on cheerleader for it).

Fact, treaties aside, it often is the job of the people with the territory at the end to have to clean it up. The defeated enemy cannot be trusted with cleanup honestly or competently. Culpability lays with the country who provided the war criminals that deployed the mines. But def acto liability must lie with those currently responsible for the safety of its people -- not those who continue to show them raw naked contempt (i.e., AR).

Fact, AR laid most of those mines either incompetently, or with depraved indifference -- especially in the last minute fortifications of Stanley in the end (which fascist warcrimes apologists for the Dirty War and its failed Hail Mary pass like Think must always be remind, included intents to use the citizens as human shields in house to house warfare by desperate underlings). At the end, it was safe to say that they were going to be routed, it was only a matter of when the “criteria” needed to surrender would be met before they gave it up. They were sloppy by “necessity” and had no skin in the game since the clock was nearly up.

Fact, since AR was willfully negligent and deceptive through their illegal war and illegal occupation, their valid documentation is poor, AR mines data have no working fidelity.

Fact. The soils on the islands are not kind to keeping things still. The mines are suspended in a less-than-stable media. Even WITH reliable mapping, mine detection in such environs is slow and dangerous. and must be done right!

And finally, fact. Ottawa was written and signed in ~1997~ and went active in 1999. After his beloved Junta's Dirty War was put to an end -- by the UK. (Your welcome, I'd say if I were British).

Irredeemable. Unrepentant. Fascists.
35 agent999 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
@27 El Think

If you do your research, I think, you will find that the UK was given a extension to March 2019 !!

What would you think ?
36 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
Shows you angry that mans logic made me, just reported myself for abuse at post 23. I just find it totally incomprehensible that someone can hold and believe those views. God forbid that the Islanders should ever have to live with people like this!
37 Britninja (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
@23 Sounds pretty accurate to me ;)
38 Think (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
(32) reality check

You say…:
”Go back and read Article 4 pay attention to the word, stockpiled!
Doubt it means mines laid and left behind by a defeated enemy.”

I say….: You could try to read Article 5…:

Destruction of anti personnel mines in mined areas
1. Each State Party undertakes to destroy or ensure the destruction of all anti personnel mines in mined areas under its jurisdiction or control, as soon as possible but not later than ten years after the entry into force of this Convention for that State Party.

www.armscontrol.org/act/1997_09/apltreat#Text

What part of *”*ALL anti personnel mines in mined areas under its jurisdiction or control*”* are you in doubt about?
39 Britninja (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
I don't suppose someone could plant a mine under Think's toilet seat could they? To end the tedium.
40 GFace (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
@38 What part of “extension” don't you understand. What part of war crime don't you understand. What part of incomplete and inaccurate records (a prerequisite to promptly removing mines written into conventions even before 1997 and certainly before 1982 which you were obliged to hold to when you laid those undocumented and poorly documented mines to being with, don't you understand.

Think. You use this word a lot. I do not think you know what it means.
41 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
I am in no doubt who put them there and that was you! just as I am in no doubt who is trying now trying to shift the responsibilty for them still being there, you! No doubt who is hiding behind a treaty that came into force nearly 20 years laters, you! Accept responsibilty for your actions for once.
42 Conqueror (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
@15 I have a better idea. Why not dig up all the argie “war dead”, move the argie war cemetary too the middle of a minefield and then “plant” them again? All being well, the next time there are any argie visitors, the whole lot will head for the heavens.
@26 Surely you're not surprised? Argieland contains on the order of 40 MILLION war criminals. “ThinkDoD” will be one of them. Remember those videos of tens of thousands of argies celebrating in the streets because their 66,000 troops and 4 naval task forces had overcome 80 Royal Marines? Although a teensy bit of celebration might be excused. A little bit more warning and the Royal Marines could probably have wiped the lot out. And no loss, either!
43 agent999 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
Hey all,

El Think is never wrong, his Scandinavian ascendance is undeniable!
44 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Oxymoron of the day.

Aregentine treaty.
45 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
MercoP(enguin) monthly mine update
Are they so stupid that they can remove the mines after thirty years or they eat donkey meat?
46 GFace (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
@45, Yes, the cheek of MercoP report on your unresolved, unrepentant war crimes.
47 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
Ah, Mr Expat, still on the subject of donkeys I see.
48 Britninja (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
@47 Apparently he spent Valentine's Day with one.
49 LEPRecon (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
@45 - Marcos

Maybe they need your expert assistance.

Why don't you go and remove some of those landmines yourself?

You'll be given a dodgy map, that was only partially completed by the Argentine soldiers who laid the land mines, because they couldn't give a feck.

The best way for you to find them is to jump up and down on the spot. Then move a few feet forwards and repeat.

If you find you are flying through the air, you can congratulate yourself for removing one of the mines, in only a few minutes, when it takes these experts days or even weeks to cover the same area.

In the meantime, Argentina should answer for the war crimes it committed against the Falkland Islanders and the British such as:

Invading sovereign British Territory.
Imprisoning the civilian population and threatening to murder them all.
Opening fire during a truce.
Opening fire on aircrew abandoning their damaged aircraft.
Hiding military equipment under the protected symbol of the Red Cross.
Booby trapping the childrens desk in the school with high explosives.

Then you can answer for the war crimes committed against your own people:

30,000 disappeared Argentine people - all believed to have been murdered by the Argentine government.
Nearly 500 Argentine sailors - abandoned to die by their escorts when the General Belgrano was hit.

Maybe Mercopress needs to do regular articles on the victims of the Dirty War, because you Argentines trolls on here don't appear to give a sh!t about them.

Just like you don't give a sh!t about the 85 Argentine citizens murdered by the Iranians.

Argentine government and Argentine trolls: no honour, no courage, no morals, no ethics and no hope.
50 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
Some one correct me if I am wrong. After the junta fell, they tried to prosecute the officers responsible, right so far?

Those officers were able to enter a defence, that they were only obeying orders, right so far?

So they allow a defence, that was thrown out at Nuremberg! That the rest of the civilised world accepts is repugnant and devoid of all moral responsibility.

Explains a lot!
51 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
49 LEPRecon
If you have time to beat/torture children in Iraq you should have enough time to clear mines after 30 years.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDUMi53l2rI
52 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
So some local yobs, were given a severe lesson about what happens if you throw rocks at British soldiers, the soldiers responsible were identified and punished, the kids parents paid compensation. What happened to your soldiers, sorry, the Argentine soldiers, who threw their own people out of aircraft into the River plate? Estimated to be between 10,000 and 30,000 was'nt it?
53 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
52 Unreality check
Our dictators are in jail, Tony Blair is a Middle East peace envoy.
Inform yourself.
54 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
Assault on teenagers V mass murder. Do not need to inform myself.

Some went to jail, the killers walked free!
55 andy65 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
@Marcos Alejandro, Why don't you return home and help look for THE DISSAPEARD instead of living in our country, after all you did say in your article to THAT NEWSPAPER you will return home when the situation gets better,can you explain to us all what you mean by “WHEN THE SITUATION GETS BETTER” because if the last 30 years is anything to go by Argentines will carry on electing corupt polititions so you might be here for a long tome.
56 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
54 Unreality check
Do you have any idea how many innocents civilians died in Iraq because of a lie(WMD)?
Inform yourself or ask your elected official Tony Blair , Middle East peace envoy.
57 andy65 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
@Marcos Alejandro, Instead of talking shit answer the relevent questions when are you returning to Argentina to help look for the dissapeard ,why did your family desert your homeland like RATS leaving a sinking ship
58 Anbar (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
the Malvos are being thicker than normal today it seems, Think especially is making a buffoon of himself in every thread he types atm.
59 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
No, do you? I am sure you are going to tell me. As for Blair, if he is such a big war criminal, why did the UN select him and more to the point, why are the Arabs talking to him? You claim the moral ground to speak for them now do you. Not surprising, you claim it for everyone one else, why change the habit of nation. What was it last time? Oh, that's right, the WORLD!
60 andy65 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
I love these Argentine CATS that have left Argentina and sit behind keyboard talking shit,they need to go back and help drag there country out of the politicle and financial GUTTER.
61 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
As long as they do not get the chance to drag the islanders down into it with them, I'll be happy. What am I ferkin saying, never going to happen!

Been on here to long.

See you all, have to take the wife to see the monster in law.
62 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
59 Unreality check
Inform yourself.
www.tonyblairwarcriminal.com/

www.iraqbodycount.org/
63 GFace (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 05:02 pm Report abuse
@56 First, as someone who didn't support GW2 I have to accept they indeed found a nuclear program that was lying in wait, literally buried in backyards as it was with one of the program scientists waiting for sanctions to erode. They found their weapons they used against the Kurds in Saddam's own Dirty War against his own people (but the Kurds aren't people I guess to folk like you, perhaps not even human -- no better than the Islanders you crave to disposess.).

Meanwhile your war criminals from 1982 have yet to be formally tried for their crimes against the people of the Falklands since all of your successive governments openly approve and remorselessly celebrate the actions described in @6, @26, @28 with coins to your people and medals to your regional accomplices. So spare us your fake indignation and whataboutery, as @52 says, the soldiers were dealt with in your case for the actions at hand. In your case, your people were effectively punished for losing your war of conquest and forced colonization.
64 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
62 Marcos

I read your article and I had no idea. We're going to commence negotiations to hand the Falkland Islands over to Argentine without delay.
65 agent999 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
here we go again
we allow the idiots like Marcos Alejandro inject their stupid hatred on to a thread in order to change the topic.

It is not as though he has anything different or constructive to post, treat him like sussie and ignore him.
66 Steveu (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
Landmines will continue to be a MercoPress topic until the last one has been cleared away

Simple!
67 andy65 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
Marcos Alejandro, I guess the truth hurts you piece of s..t
68 Room101 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
Just imagine taking over the Falklands and not knowing where you'd placed your own mines (or in this case, Minds)
69 GFace (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
@68,
At least for 1982 I suspect a lionshare of the worst of ill-laid mines were deployed at the end with no expectation of holding the islands in the long term. It was clear that they were soon to be defeated and their conscripts and cowardly officers had no experience in fighting people who, for the first time in their careers, could actually shoot back (heck, they were ~actually~ armed). The mines were to delay the inevitable British advance and of course maliciously punish the islanders for not submitting to their jackboot and they had no expectation to remove it to accommodate a new implanted population of AR “citizens” (if that's what you can call mainland subjects of the Junta).

Fast forward to 2013 where we have fascist nostalgists of the Junta like Think and Marcus raging over the fact that their mines are still there should they ever get their fantasy getting a mulligan and retake the Islands and finally at last have the colony they have always dreamed of (at least since the 40s when the fantasy was rebooted). And of course, they would lack the very same critical data required (not to mention expertise) to remove their own mines themselves.
70 Beef (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
Think - They would be cleared if you bunch had bothered to abide by good governance in your invasion and mapped them appropriately.

If you believe the Falklands are Argentine sovereign territory then surely your glorious leader should be offering to clear them as in your warped sense of reality the Islands should be under Argie jurisdiction?
71 golfcronie (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
When the Argies go to the FALKLANDS to pay their respects to their war dead why not charge them a fee to pay for the removal of the mines. Seems fair to me.
72 Pirate Love (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
day by day, mine by mine, metre by metre, The Falklanders rightfully reunited with their land illegaly occupied and made uninhabital by a cowardous bitter hateful brainwashed pityfully defeated oppressors in 1982,
very good news indeed, well done FALKLANDS!!!, good news is becoming somewhat of a habit lately.
Now lets see how argentinas governement deals with having the Legal UN binding “SELF-DETERMINATION” bomb dropped on them next month :)

SELF DETERMINATION.....Medicine for Argentinas Bitterly Brainwashed!
73 Pete Bog (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
@53
“Our dictators are in jail,”

Including Patricia Dowling?
74 golfcronie (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
@72
Only 22 days to SELF DETERMINATION
75 Think (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
(70) Beef

You say...:
“If you believe the Falklands are Argentine sovereign territory then surely your glorious leader should be offering to clear them ...”

I say...:
I refer to my comment (22) where I write...:
“Argentina has, repeatedly, offered the UK to remove all the mines.”

I'll repeat, for you...:
Each and every democratic Argentinean administration since 1983 has offered the UK to remove all the mines on the Malvinas Islands...

Each and every administration....

Including the Kirchner one.
76 Steveu (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
@75 What were the conditions imposed on these various offers?
77 Pirate Love (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
@75 Why the UK? shouldnt Argentina be talking to the Falklands Government?
78 reality check (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
Removal by armed forces of RA would be my guess. Let's ask our islander friends. How many of you would like to see RG soldiers back on the islands for months?
79 inthegutter (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
#75 I see now, even if this is true I suspect the offer is tied with conditions. I can see one already in your comment: “Malvinas”. Do you really think we're that stupid? Offer, to the FIG, to pay for the removal (using a firm of our choice) of mines on Falkland Islands and we'll talk.
80 Be serious (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
Amazing to read a post lambasting the article as brainwash and then accepting and quoting from it to make a pro argentine point. Hypocrisy anybody.
81 GFace (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
@75 “Each and every democratic Argentinean administration since 1983 has offered the UK to remove all the mines on the Malvinas Islands...”

They rejected the offer, because they trust you no more than the Poles, Czechs, Danes, French, or Dutch would trust a German government that still claimed their territories, celebrated and insisted upon heir 1942 borders and only ever so slightly de-nazified and are awash with Little Eichmanns proud of their war crimes and their population blushes with PRIDE over what they did in the war. The difference of course is that Germany has truly reformed. Argentina clearly hasn't.
82 Falkland Islands (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
Marcos is a coward, just like most in arg, he tries to shovel sh*t onto britain, but won't answer any posts, if you want to shovel sh*t there is plenty in Argentina!
83 tr0y tempest (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 08:59 pm
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84 Beef (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
Think - you are making your offer to the wrong people. Your government should make its offer to the Falkland Island Government. Aftet all it was the Falkland Islanders who you have inconvenienced.
85 Falkland Islands (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
trying to clean our arseholes, that's true!
86 Pirate Love (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
@83 more like cleaning up after the arseholes.
87 agent999 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
82, 83, 85, 86
you are all starting to sound like marcos
88 Pirate Love (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 12:46 am Report abuse
@87 the only thing that comes close to sounding like marcos is a wet fart.
i was pointing out that The Falklands are successfully cleaning up after our careless forgetful argentine comrades after their outing in 82, messy lot.
89 Sussie.US (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 02:54 am
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90 Falkland Islands (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 03:52 am Report abuse
thanks i wil keep the falklands, even in my arse, better than letting argies in.
91 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 06:47 am Report abuse
British Broadcasting Corporation

BBC News
Sunday, 14 March 2010

Field sweep

“But it is not just Argentine weapons they are looking for.
On Sapper Hill, next to the minefield, is a strip of land where the British dropped cluster munitions, a more random dispersal”

Mine map

”What does help the clearance teams is knowing where the mines lie, thanks to careful plans left behind by the Argentines.

On a computer screen in the nearby office of the Falkland Islands Demining Programme, technical adviser Guy Marot clicks between an aerial photo of two cleared minefields and a hand-drawn diagram of the same spot, to demonstrate how reality matches the plan.

He scrolls through pages of numerical records, entitled Armada Argentina (Argentine navy) with tables of numbers corresponding to exact positions where mines were laid.

To date, he says, the records have been accurate.

“It does show us where the mines are, in what rows and in what configuration,” he says.

Well, well, well look what we have here...

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8564061.stm
92 Steveu (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 08:37 am Report abuse
@91 MA

Oh - that makes it alright then?
93 Think (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 10:12 am Report abuse
Thanks, (91) Marcos Alejandro. for that BBC link

Lets recapitulate:

(2010) BBC wrote:
”The Falklands Demining Programme, technical adviser Guy Marlot scrolls through pages of numerical records, entitled Armada Argentina (Argentine navy) with tables of numbers corresponding to exact positions where mines were laid.”

”What does help the clearance teams is knowing where the mines lie, thanks to careful plans left behind by the Argentines.”

“It does show us where the mines are, in what rows and in what configuration,” he says.”

”To date, he says, the records have been accurate.”

(2013) Technical Projects Manager for BACTEC, Paul McCarthy, says:
”It can be quite frustrating and from both sides (Argentine and British) because records were made at a time when there were heightened problems and so the accuracy has proven to be a little bit out especially on things like bearings. We need to unlock that intellectually. But on the same side of that is the fact the British have done the translations in 82 and 86 and again in the early 90’s and some of the information they’ve take from the Argentine records is they’ve made assumptions and that’s proven to be quite difficult as well.”

Yet, the Turnips in here say:
(6), (26), (28) LEPRecon: ”Illegally placing landmines without marking their positions.”
”The laying of land mines without acurately marking their positions is a WAR CRIME.”

(8) Anglotino: ”..unmarked mines during an illegal occupation”

(34), (40) GFace: ”Fact, AR laid most of those mines either incompetently, or with depraved indifference..”
”…you laid those undocumented and poorly documented mines to being with…”

(68) Room101: ”Just imagine taking over the Falklands and not knowing where you'd placed your own mines.”

(70) Beef: ”They would be cleared if you bunch had bothered to abide by good governance in your invasion and mapped them appropriately.”

One wonders where these Turnips get their ”Facts”
The Sun, perhaps?
Brainwash anybody?
94 Islander1 (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 10:17 am Report abuse
Marcos-Think. The accurate maps are of the ares mined by professsional Arg engineers. These are the first ones cleared. There are PLENTY with little accuracy- and some with none- laid by conscripts under orders from officers who themselves knew little of correct procedures.
I recall edicts on our radio from your lunta back late april 82 ordering us innocent Islanders to avoid many areas due the mines laid by the retreating marines- who actually did NOT have mines to lay anyway! What was happening was some of your soldiers were blowing themselves up on mines laid by their mates who had not told anyone! These are FACTS - the things Argies hate!
95 Think (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 10:28 am Report abuse
(94) Islander1

No Islander1… Those are not “FACTS”…

Those are urban legends, false myths and widely distributed untruths…

Three things that “Fit Perfectly” into the siege mentality of the Kelpers..

And that “Perfect Fit” is the ONLY true reason of why those mines haven’t been removed decades ago......
96 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 11:10 am Report abuse
Think=oxymoron with emphasis on moron. Bitter twisted Rg troll and fact twister who has deserted sinking ship. Its going to implode soon, and there is the referendum result to look forward to. The oil cash will pay for mine clearance anyway, so just relax and enjoy Rg crash coming soon.
97 lsolde (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 11:36 am Report abuse
@93 Think,
Wriggle & squirm as much as you like Dear Think, but the guts of the matter is:-
lf your illegal invasion hadn't put the mines there in the first place,
We wouldn't have this problem now.
lt matters not whether the mines are mapped, unmapped , sowed by frightened conscripts or left there for political reasons, the fact of the matter is:-
1) Your country had no right to be in our country.
2) Your country put them there.
3) Your country alone, is responsible for the whole sordid scenario.
As someone else remarked, we do not want obnoxious Argentine soldiers cluttering up OUR countryside.
l do not trust Argentina to do the job with no conditions, in fact l do not trust Argentina at all!
@23 reality check,
Don't apologise, l agree wholeheartedly with your comment.
98 Falkland Islands (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 12:15 pm Report abuse
I would like to invite all these argie trolls to a debate in the town hall stanley Falkland Islands, if they have the guts to face us Islanders.
99 Islander1 (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
Think- sorry yes they are FACTS - I remember well the broadcasts over our radio by the Agr Military Command.
Yes Arg did indeed offer to assist in demining- and 1 or 2 retired ex Army Officers visited here a few years ago to help with the update of the area locations where they were able to.
Arg Commanders after the surrender in 82 were not overlly helpfull - despite their need to do so under the Geneva Convention(after all they were not even helpfull in identifying their own dead!). But luckily a number of their Engineer Officers were and volunteered to stay behind quietly for some time and assist the British as much as they could with area locations etc - but even they could not do much more than assist with general “areas” in the case of those unprofessionally laid.
Logically there is NO WAY we would permit Arg personnell to come here while their Govt is still actively claiming ownership of OUR HOMELAND.
We and our Govt made it clear to UK some years ago that nice as it would be to have the mines cleared- they are all fenced off and are not a threat to life.
In large areas in Africa and the far East after decades of civil wars - innocent civilans are still killed/injured on a regular basis and we would rather UK focused their cost of funding to the worldwide clearance campaign in those areas and put us well down the list.
That is why the process only started here a few years ago and is taking time - and naturally is concentrating initially on the easier better mapped fields.
Do please explain to me - even with maps - how would you clear mines laid in beach sand and open to wave/tidal/sand-dune movement
even in less than 10 years?
Oh - and if there was a minefield in Arg laid by the Falklands - would you trust us 101% if we said they had cleared?
100 Think (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 01:05 pm Report abuse
(99) Islander1

Those broadcasts certainly existed and you surely remember them...
But the rest of your post (94) is just a convenient urban legend that suits your political agenda...

Answering your last question...:
if there was a minefield in Arg laid by the British, the Chileans, the Bolivians, the Paraguayans, the Brazilians, the Uruguayans etc. and they said it was cleared; I would indeed trust them 100%
BUT ............
I would direct my children and grandchildren to play ball some other place...
HOWEVER.....
The same would be the case if I had paid some Zimbabweans to do the job...
101 agent999 (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
despite the title a very good article
www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2010/10/falkland-islands-de-mining/

You will note the reference “As with Goose Green, no Argentine records exist for the minefields on West Falkland”
102 GFace (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
There is no doubt that some mines were laid “legally” (only in the sense that they were well documented by an illegal occupying force of fascist war criminals) but it goes beyond hard truths to say all were by cherry picking a stale 2010 article on a given operation . To claim all were documented where evidence -abounds- to the contrary (and @101 delivers) is to prove that you, “Think” and Marcus, are pathological liars on top of being fascist cheerleaders -- but we all knew that already.
103 Martin Woodhead (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
Due to the nature of the falklands there was no pressing need to free up the land but if hm goverment didnt it would give countries that have a real problem with landmines an excuse to delay demining ops.
The fact that some of the mines were plastic a stupid invention a minefield properly sited screws up an advance anyway and the natureof peat makes things even worse.
Laying a minefield and marking the location correctly of the mines you laid is a really time consuming and skilled task I've done it on exercise and its a pig using practice mines lead to a surreal conversation with some hikers . “ yes you can walk on the public footpath but please dont tread on the landmines you might break them”
Half trained conscripts and the lovely climate of the falkands that was always going to go wrong and argentina has very little demining experance the royal engineers gave up because it was costing limbs after the war war was over you pathetic losers.
Nothing like looking down when on patrol and seeing a minefield sign in the midde of a river fortunatly it had been washed down from somewhere else
104 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
93 Think
You're welcome.
After reading your comment I will say “case closed”

Please Brits, inform yourselves.
105 Falkland Islands (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
it was not just the mines, it was also the pathetic cowardly booby traps left as they surrendered, this in itself is pretty much a crime. there were some around peoples property etc, so for all the argie trolls your country is a disgrace.
106 GFace (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
@104. Closing the case with well establishes lies and cherrypicked half truths. Standing practice for armchair Dirty Warriors dreaming of the days they got away with murder, terror and oppression.
107 reality check (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
Still what's the alternatives? thousands of those fascist, lying, cheats occupying the islands, bad enough having one of them living here.
108 bdb56 (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
retards! 30 years after the 1982 invasion...slow minds
109 Think (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
(105) Falkland Islands

You say...:
“It was not just the mines, it was also the pathetic cowardly booby traps left as they surrendered.....”

I say....:
Yeahhhh................................. Right.....
Your Kelper urban myth about the Argies unmapped mine fields is torn to pieces by your own British experts and a heap of official British documentation.......

Time then for you to come forwards withanother of your Kelper urban myths.....

All those hundreds of booby traps left everywhere by the Argies......

Curiously, there is no any documentation about them...., nor any picture....... nothing.....

Just another urban myth that grow bigger and bigger with time and is revived once in a while to ..........well................brainwash the Turnips.
110 reality check (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
Invasion, what ever happened to repossession? Numb nuts!
111 agent999 (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
@109 woodentop think

read
www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2010/10/falkland-islands-de-mining/
112 Be serious (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 05:11 pm Report abuse
111 Thank you for that extremely interesting article.
113 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
Timerman in an interview today answering some FI related questions...
'- What are the consequences kelpers plebiscite conducted?
-It has no legal value, as with a plebiscite to be made in the rock of Gibraltar, which was not recognized. The UN does not recognize this kind of plebiscite. Already in 1985 it was anticipated to England, he would not recognize a plebiscite in the Falklands. It will be something that may appear for a couple of days in the newspapers and nothing else. For me it would make the plebiscite in London and Londoners ask if they want the Falklands are British.
- Could hold a plebiscite in Argentina with the same sense, that the Argentines have a voice?
- What for? To what do we do something that does not have any legal value. They do it because they have no argument to justify that still follow the British government illegally occupying the Falkland Islands. Then invent these things.
-Given that risk, some Argentine specialists in the Malvinas issue argue that at some point would have to sit down with the Islanders.
- How many years have to happen for Israeli settlers in the West Bank feel with the right to negotiate independently with Palestine? How long will it take for that to happen? The British have the same situation as Israel in the West Bank: population have led to another country under military occupation. Ask the Chinese if they accepted that they ask the people of Hong Kong in a plebiscite to see what they would do.'

tiempo.infonews.com/2013/02/17/argentina-96654-si-se-lleva-adelante-el-memorandum-se-activa-la-causa-y-comienza-el-juicio.php
114 GFace (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
Think and Marcus. Liars both.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7216149.stm
Of the 20k mines... A summary statistic
'Lord Howell of Guildford said of the 20,000 landmines scattered around the Falklands, 18,000 of them were put there by the Argentines “often by recruits who have no idea where they are now, or by remote devices”. '

Sapper Hill in the story Marcus cherrypicked was documented since it was likely deployed by what passed for trained professional AR warfighters under a Junta that specualized in fighting their own civilians (not to mention the Islanders) and I will credit that far. But a goodly number was laid in what one can “excuse” as desperation to delay defeat, war crimes all the same.
115 Falkland Islands (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 05:20 pm Report abuse
@ 109 think, EOD spent a lot of time removing and distroying these, I have seen them first hand, I was there, you were not, so stop trying to be a goody goody.
116 Think (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
(115) Falkland Islands

I'm not trying to be a “goody goody”.
Do try not to be a “porkie teller”.

EOD spent a lot of time removing and destroying these, you say.........
Didn't EOD had cameras in 1982?
EOD NORMAL PROCEDURE (in ANY Country) is DOCUMENTATION.

Any pictures........? Why not.......? Forgot your Instamatic at home?

Now...... I will not deny the probability of one or two of the “sickos” we had as officers in Malvinas, improvising a couple of booby traps somewhere with a hand granade or similar......

But from there to make it to a big issue is a loooooong way......

I “Think” even the most fanatical anti Argentinean element in here would have a very hard time finding any other civilian population in the world being so well treated by occupying troops during an armed conflict.

The only British civilians killed or injured were so by the hand of the British troops.....

So stop whining.......
117 Falkland Islands (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
The only British civilians killed or injured were so by the hand of the British troops.....
You are such a tossa think, if you had not invaded us, those people would not have been killed, I am not a liar like you think!
118 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
@116

The burden of proof lies with the defendent in a court case, not with the accusor. “Falkland Islands” is accusing the RG government of war crime and it is up to you to prove him/her wrong with evidence, not for them to prove their case. How about you prove that no bobby traps were left behind and that ALL mine fields have been correctly documented according to international laws?
FYI a first hand witness account stands for a lot more than any meaningless treaty you might find on the internet. If FI says he/she was there then it is up to you to prove they weren't, which would be impossible unless you were also there and know who FI is. I doubt both.

Maybe the evidence you wish FI to provide exists but they have no access to it? I doubt you can just call up EOD and ask for access to their private materials to prove a point in an internet forum.
119 Think (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
(117) Falkland Islands

You are such a tossa Falkland Islands, if you had not invaded us,(in 1833) those people would not have been killed........

I'm still waiting for ANY “booby traps” pictures from the British EOD.
Hundreds of books have been written by hundreds of veterans...
Not ONE picture of those (in)famous Argie booby traps on them...
Not ONE picture of those (in)famous Argie booby traps on Internet...
Not ONE picture of those (in)famous Argie booby traps in Malvinas...

How can that be?
Was the British EOD incompetent?
I don't “Think” so!
120 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
@119

The only ones who invaded the Falklands in 1833 was the RGs. The only ones who died did so by the hand of your own countrymen.

In the hundreds of books written by hundreds of veterans and history professers all confirm that there was NO explusion in 1833 of any civilian population.

I would have thought you would know that by now.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reassertion_of_British_sovereignty_over_the_Falkland_Islands_(1833)

en.mercopress.com/2011/02/26/falklands-facts

www.scribd.com/doc/106213592/Falklands-Wars-The-Expulsion-Myth

baexpats.org/topic/20442-argentinas-1833-myth-a-population-expelled-de-bunked-yet-again/page__st__20

(I like the last one the best, written by RGs who are intelligent enough to know the truth)
121 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
It is estimated that over 15.600 (12.300 antipersonnel and 3.300 anti-vehicle) Argentine laid mines remain in the Falklands according to a report delivered by Lord Astor of Hever, UK Parliamentary Secretary of State, Defence, last February.

In the aftermath of the 1982 conflict over 1.000 Argentine anti-personnel, 80 anti-vehicle mines and 1,000 booby traps were cleared in 30 minefields. In 2009/2010 a pilot project cleared a further four minefields of 1,246 (678 anti-personnel and 568 anti-vehicle) mines.

The 18,000 mines estimate (14,000 anti-personnel and 4,000 anti-vehicle) were laid by the Argentine armed forces in some 113 minefields during the conflict according to Lord Astor.

Regarding all UK-emplaced mines in five anti-personnel minefields around the then RAF Stanley “they were lifted immediately after the cessation of hostilities.
122 agent999 (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
@119
I see you have retracted your statement that all the the minefields were mapped and these maps were handed over.

I suppose that because there are no pictures of Argentines being thrown from planes, that also never happened.
123 Be serious (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
Argentinians are strange creatures. During the Dirty War lots of Argentinian civilians were killed by their own kith and kin military, up close and extremely personally. Do wish they would stop whining on about it. chuckle chuckle. Isn't it great that the BBC is so trusted by Argentinian trolls. Keep tuned in sucker.
124 kelperabout (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
As always What ever Argentina gets involved in someon else has to come and clean the mess up. Someone else gets hurt and always they say it is not there fault.
125 reality check (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
Hey Think! Here's one from our favourite Argentine war hero. No photographs though.

“Astiz is known to have committed several war crimes during this period, notably attempting to lure Royal Navy helicopters to land on a helipad he had previously mined,* after he had surrendered to British forces.* The pilots were suspicious, and landed elsewhere. Astiz also attempted to encourage Royal Marines across a minefield, after he had surrendered. The mines did not function correctly, as their trigger mechanisms had been frozen solid by the sub-zero weather conditions. Astiz was never tried for these crimes.”
126 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
116 Think-me-not

I “Think” even the most fanatical anti Argentinean element in here would have a very hard time finding any other civilian population in the world being so well treated by occupying troops during an armed conflict.

Oh that's alright then I guess, As long as the “ civilian population were being so well treated by the occupying troops.” That's makes it ok for them to leave grenades in school desks, use the post office and peoples houses as toilets, plant uncharted minefields where ever they felt the need too........

And as for your laughable attempt at trying to dismiss those Argentine “booby traps”..... There are no photo's of the English civil war but we know that it happened, there are no photo's of the Argentinians slaughtering the rightful owners of their land but we know that it happened, why??? because people wrote about it!!!

“Hundreds of books have been written by hundreds of veterans...”

MMMMMM hundreds of books, all saying the same thing....... now why is that I wonder?? could they all be saying the same thing because they are right??

Clown
127 lsolde (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
@126 toooldtodieyoung,
Very good points, completely agree.
Keep the pressure on Think, the lying old reprobate.
He is starting to crack. snigger
128 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
@127

I 'think' he has already cracked, he certainly hasn't responded to anyone in awhile. Maybe my links about the 1833 explusion myth fried what was left of his brain :)
129 Britishbulldog (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 11:04 pm Report abuse
Just invite that bitch and her frigging yes men to oversee the referendum and then take em on a helicopter ride over the minefields drop em off in the middle of one blindfold the buggers and tell them to make their way back with their hands tied behind their backs. then just stand back and enjoy the show of a frigging bitch and her yes men gingerly taking a few steps at a time. Shouting Odio a todos los bastardos británicas whereas we can shout back do we give a fuck bitch you wanted the islands now fucking have em.
130 Think (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 11:17 pm Report abuse
(127) Isolde

Now I understand your idea of “winning an argument” against me.
It just takes six or seven British turnips flocking together.......
Competing about who says the most turnipy things.

You have certainly won many of them arguments, Dahling ;-)

I'll repeat for the Turnips...:
ANY EOD in the world is equiped with cameras, and they use them constantly...

They MUST and DO document their work..... It's “normal procedure”.

The “Malvinas War” was one of the most documented and photographed conflicts on the story of humanity......

Yet..............., not ONE picture of those manyArgie booby traps...

Just a convenient urban legend to brainwash the Turnips.....

Chuckle chuckle.
131 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 12:06 am Report abuse
@130

You still haven't responded to the 1833 explusion myth you were babbling about before. I provided you with plently of evidence that no explusion happened yet you never brought the topic up again, strange that Chuckle chuckle

I went on the EOD offical website and there was no gallery of photos nor documentation of their work that I could see, maybe we require your expert fact finding skills to show us how to procure these documents? I wouldn't have thought that these documents would have public access but I could be wrong. Please provide links to these documents of the Falklands War you speak of, assuming they exist in the public domain. If they don't, then asking us to provide evidence of them is rather difficult. Unless there are any skilled hackers among us?
132 Think (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 12:13 am Report abuse
Anybody mentioned skilled hackers?

en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/26177/0x0/0221-hackers-malvinas-g-jpg-1121220956.jpg

Chuckle chuckle
133 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 12:17 am Report abuse
@130 think:
To quote you
'The “Malvinas War” was one of the most documented and photographed conflicts on the story of humanity......

B.S.!

How many photos exist of anywhere to date of IED's on the internet?

This knid of stuff never gets released, or at laest whoever has the knowlage to disarm, - Never makes that public knowlage.

I'll also add that the 'booby-trapped' munitions your people left at Goosegreen could not have been photographed anyhow, as they detonated, and killed your own poor conscripts.

These poor wretches were not even told what 'surprise' had been left for the British soldiers.

Talk about cowardly loosers.

You turned one of your own soldiers in to a human torch, due to your incompatence, - Then have the cheek to go on about it being the British forces fault.

Murdering cnuts.
134 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 12:28 am Report abuse
@132

No idea what that picture was supossed to represent but that is no concern of mine.....

You still haven't provided links to the EOD documentation of the Falklands War which would led one to the conculsion that such documents are not available for public consumption. Therefore asking for these documents is somewhat pointless and void.

Asking people to provide evidence when they have no access to that evidence undermines your agrument rendering it useless.
135 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 04:44 am Report abuse
132 Think
Nice to see Penguin News getting rid of that sheep and now using the real flag of the land.
:-))
136 lsolde (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 07:12 am Report abuse
@130 Think,
A patch of turnips are superior to a withered up old swede any day, dear Thinkus. lol
Yes, dahling, you have been defeated many times.
You just won't admit it.
But then, you never admit when you're wrong, do you my sweet?
March the 10th will change your tune, my lad.
That's typical of you shower.
You take pride in hacking.
Well, enjoy your glow, hacking/pasting(?) a picture of your silly flag is the only time you will ever see it in the Falklands.
137 reality check (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 07:57 am Report abuse
Famous Argentine Photographic evidence.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTOXGBYzz0U

What's up think FAA got no instamatics?
138 lsolde (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 09:51 am Report abuse
@137 reality check,
Most of the fools probably think that this is true!
They are not bad at computer graphics, but hopeless at war.
Oh well, time to do some work.
139 Be serious (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 10:34 am Report abuse
138
Now if it had been on the BBC our precious Think would be rejoicing in its veracity and quoting to his little hearts content.

Shame he doesn't know about Middleton. Perhaps his alter ego “Doddy” might give him a clue.
140 LEPRecon (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 12:42 pm Report abuse
@130 - Think

“The “Malvinas War” was one of the most documented and photographed conflicts on the story of humanity......”

No it wasn't. That is a lie now, isn't it?

I remember watching the news (this was before 24 hour news channels) when the Falklands War occured.

Most of the time it was just footage of aircraft taking off and landing, and then of a few troops tabbing over the islands.

The media were not allowed anywhere near the fighting for their own safety. They certainly wouldn't have been allowed near booby traps for the same reason.

Also, camera's and other photographic equipment didn't fair too well in the weather, and there was no such thing a digital imaging back then. The camera crews and photographers had to take all their own film with them and, as the supply line was so long, it took an awful long time to reach them.

Therefore, they had to ration what they photographed.

Maybe you've just watched too many propaganda films regarding the sinking of HMS Invincible. I mean, how many times did the Junta claim to have sunk it? Three, four times?

You are as delusional as your Junta was.
141 Musky (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
All this evidence of Argentine military might is coming to light on the Internet all the time. They even seem to have enlisted the help of the 'Man of Steel' himself:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S6rQrSUeD4
142 Falkland Islands (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
Hacking is Illegal typical argie trait.
143 GFace (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
@140... and on top if that FI was not exactly the most accessible place before the illegal invasion and fascist occupation. Heck, it isn't even today. The last reliable pre-Junta media that came out of the islands ended with the unarmed radio broadcaster having a gun pointed to his head by one of Argentines finest cowards. During AR occupation, there was little to no data coming out of the islands save for islander's ham radio transmissions which had to be kept on the fly. And of course during the liberation getting to the islands. Add to that the sad state of real-politik at the time in which the US was asking and expecting a non-humiliating defeat of the Junta's forces to avoid a “Communist takeover” (as per the fears of Jeanne and Al) and I have little doubt that that's why war criminals like Astiz & Piaggi were not prosecuted by the UK for their crimes and were hoping that the Argentines would have a conscience over their Dirty War (we now know that this was a pipe dream).
144 cvc_22 (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 07:12 pm
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145 slattzz (#) Feb 19th, 2013 - 08:33 pm
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146 Mario Alejandro (#) Feb 20th, 2013 - 01:21 am Report abuse
30 years after the 1982 invasion the islanders decide to do...what?
Retards.
147 LEPRecon (#) Feb 20th, 2013 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
@146 - Mario Alejandro

30 years after the 1982 invasion Argentina shows that it is still run by a bunch of facists who would think nothing about murdering all the Falklanders who stand in their way.

Argentina has had 30 years to prove that you were nothing like the military junta. 30 years to apologise for the military aggression that they lived under for 3 months before liberation.

30 years to build bridges of trust, friendship, mutual co-operation and respect.

30 years to try and woo the Islanders, and show them that becoming a part of Argentina would be beneficial to them.

30 years to grow up and join the real world.

In those 30 years Argentina has just become increasingly aggressive towards the Falkland Islanders.

You refuse to acknowledge their existence or their human rights.

The problem is that Argentina is so monumentally mismanaged that you can't even run your own country, it collapses into chaos every decade. Why would anyone voluntarily want to join a country that continually elects corrupt politicians who care nothing for Argentina and their people?

None of your neighbours trust you, and why should they? You always break your word.

Just like in the 70's you said all you wanted was a peaceful solution, and then you attacked a defenceless people, and invasion force of 10,000 to invade some Islands that had around 3000 people on at the time, including 70 Royal Marines.

That's just so 'brave' of Argentina. But you couldn't hold out against people who could and did fight back.

So all you did was scatter landmines around in breach of the Geneva Conventions, without marking them.

Argentina needs to build bridges. The 1st bridge needs to be an apology from the government of Argentina to the people of the Falklands for the illegal invasion in 1982.

Until you do that, there will be never be any trust that Argentina has changed, you'll still be the same facists that you were then, the National Socialist facists.
148 Escoses D0ido (#) Feb 20th, 2013 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
@ 147 LEPRecon aka Isolde
got you!
that is not Mario Alejandro
is the chinese ciber attack////
149 lsolde (#) Feb 20th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
You need help, Soozy.
150 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 05:20 am Report abuse
147 LEPRecon
Blah blah blah...dumb Brit you are talking to another Brit(“Mario”)
151 lsolde (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 08:24 am Report abuse
Thats probably Sussie, Marcos.
152 cdc (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
@151 Isolde
poor “british agent”.....,,,,,//// “agent” ? jajaja
she keeps rattling the same crap against argentinians while the Taliban is planning to attack the british embassy in argie land.
well, she might say the chinese cyber attack is not real...
153 lsolde (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
Good evening Soozy.
Don't forget the letter drop at location #42 at 10pm.

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