Fifty experts are mine-clearing three areas next to Falklands’ capital
The BACTEC team is now fully deployed in the Falkland Islands clearing three minefields: two in the vicinity of Mile Pond and Mullet creek and the third south of the water tanks on the Stanley to Darwin and Goose Green Road. The mine-clearance project for these areas should be over by the end of March.
A number of anti personnel mines have been located and these are to be destroyed on 16th February 2013 in a planned controlled demolition In addition to clearing these minefields BACTEC is also carrying out more land release work on Stanley Common within the fenced area north of the Mile Pond to the south of the Falklands’ capital.
Thousands of antipersonnel mines remain in the Falkland Islands, a legacy from the Argentine military invasion of 1982, particularly around Stanley which was to be the stronghold against the British Task Force sent to recover the Islands.
On Sunday February 17 BACTEC will be processing Minefield 28 which lies just on the north side of the Stanley to Goose Green and Darwin road. This minefield was cleared in 1982 but up to now no verification has been carried out and the minefield is still classified as dangerous and fenced.
The BACTEC team is made up of fifty experts in mine clearance from Zimbabwe with vast experience all over the world and have been working basically hand-digging down to 20 centimetres and moving at a rate of between four, five or six metres a day per person. This is to help get an exact idea of the 32 metres panels which normally hold 16 mines and are the set-out of the minefields in the Falklands.
Technical Projects Manager for BACTEC Paul McCarthy admits Argentine records of the mined areas are not entirely reliable, since they were made at a time of heightened problems and the translations by the British in some parts make assumptions.
“It can be quite frustrating and from both sides (Argentine and British) because records were made at a time when there were heightened problems and so the accuracy has proven to be a little bit out especially on things like bearings. We need to unlock that intellectually. But on the same side of that is the fact the British have done the translations in ’82 and ’86 and again in the early ‘90’s and some of the information they’ve take from the Argentine records is they’ve made assumptions and that’s proven to be quite difficult as well, but it just adds to the fun to be honest” admitted McCarthy.
However for the Zimbabweans de-miners working in the Falklands is one of the nicest places in the world for this kind of job. The threat in the Islands is negligible compared to say with Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, and Mozambique where many of them have been posted recently.
“To be honest, they love it. Even just things like being able to go for a coffee or a beer at the end of the week, it’s just a big morale boost to these guys. Besides they’ve been down here on two other projects and they were really accepted by the community.
People have told us it’s really nice to have us back, and the guys are really happy to be back as well” pointed out McCarthy.
The only draw back in the Falklands is the weather, particularly the wind and slippery ground.
McCarthy said that “the guys have been digging the ground so they are walking on slippery soil and the lanes into the fields are only a metre wide, and when on the job you have the demining apron on which is their body armour, a gust of wind behind picks it up like a sail and we don’t want them stepping our of the cleared areas”.
BACTEC is scheduled to process the area within the minefield fence using the remote controlled armoured flail assisted by a number of de-miners. However as the flail may throw rock onto the road, traffic control measures will be in operation during February 17 from 7am to 7pm for the safety of road users.
Overall, the program is progressing well and it is expected that it will be completed by 24 March releasing an additional 900,000 square metres for public use while at the same time reducing the number of remaining minefields by four. (PN/FIRS)
(*) BACTEC is a UK based company which stands for: Battle Area Clearance, Training, Equipment and Consultancy Group.
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Send the bill for the mine clearance to:
President Cristina Kirchner
c/o Casa Rosa
BA
Argentina.
Add interest on for all the years the land has been unusable.
They should be able to pay. Apparently according to CFK, Argentina has more dollars than anyone but the USA. ;D
But I also believe that when the international observers turn up for the referendum, they should be given a tour of the minefields, so they can see for themselves the blantant human rights violations the Argentine government did to the Islanders back in 1982, that are still having an impact today.
It'll certainly make them realise why the Falkland Islanders want nothing to do with Argentina.
I was wondering where our MercoPress bimonthly update about landmines was due....
Brainwash anybody?
Just another Rg troll, please ignore
Crime against humanity, anyone?
Illegally placing landmines without marking their positions.
War crime, anyone?
Argentina starting a war, it then lost, but caused lots of damage.
Reparations, anyone? With 30 years of interest added on, anyone?
Think spouting crap.
Moron, anyone?
You say...:
“Illegally placing landmines without marking their positions.”
Technical Projects Manager for BACTEC Paul McCarthy says...:
“.....Argentine records of the mined areas are not entirely reliable, since they were made at a time of heightened problems and the translations by the British in some parts make assumptions.”
Having problems with English comprehension?
Or just making wild assumptions?
Brainwash anybody?
I guess that being an arschloch is what happens when you live under a government that lies to its own people everyday.
No
They are your mines, you took them there, you planted them there, you left them there.
Now pay the costs for cleaning your filthy legacy up.
1) Still having problems with English comprehension, I see?
Try the following...:
Technical Projects Manager for BACTEC Paul McCarthy says...:
“.....Argentine records of the mined areas are not entirely reliable, since they were made at a time of heightened problems and the translations by the British in some parts make assumptions.”
2) In German, all nouns are, always, capitalized... Arschloch is no exception....
actually. they'd probably prefer cash.
Remember we aren't talking about an unreliable watch or pair of scissors. They are talking about unreliable records of a minefield! Are you not even a little embarrassed?
Asking a bankrupt to pay what is owed is quite futile.....
You highlight that Technical Projects Manager for BACTEC Paul McCarthy says...:
“.....Argentine records of the mined areas are not entirely reliable, since they were made at a time of heightened problems and the translations by the British in some parts make assumptions.”
Should that be a problem? The war was in 1982, and plenty of Argentine veterans have visited the Falklands since. Would it be so hard to send the guys who put them there to tidy up the mess? Then there is no translation needed.
Or how about, if the minefields were mapped well by the Argentine military then hand copies of the maps over to BACTEC...oh yeah, BACTEC have already said the maps are ureliable.
Think an apologist for fascist imerialists. Brainwashed anyone?
So unreliable means what?
re·li·a·ble
/riˈlīəbəl/
Adjective
Consistently good in quality or performance; able to be trusted.
Noun
A person or thing with such trustworthy qualities.
Synonyms
trustworthy - dependable - trusty - sure - safe - sound
Hmmm I'm guessing the British wouldn't have needed to make “assumptions” if the Argentines had been specific or reliable.
wow, delusional or what?
Are they now pretending there are no mines and that they never existed at all?
Sad to see the depths to which ThinkDoD haas fallen, now pretending that the Argentines never invaded in '82 and dint leave loads of landmines around...
what a cretin
There were 20,000+ mines laid in at least 120 minefields, work began on clearing these mines late in 2009.
It is a slow and dangerous task, so it is not unusual report successes when they occur - this does not amount a you would call it brainwashing.
For you to treat a subject like this with such disdain is just pathetic.
Every two months or so, MercoPress treats us with an update on the “Landmine Situation”...
Conveniently omitting to mention that Argentina has, repeatedly, offered to the UK to remove all the mines.
Conveniently omitting to mention that Argentina has collaborated in full with all documentation and maps.
Conveniently omitting to mention that those mines, according to all international treaties, are the sole responsibility of the UK and they should, according to the same treaties have been removed more than a decade ago.
But conveniently allowing, every couple of months or so, a new Bunch of British Turnips to express their Faux and Uninformed Indignation, making total fools of themselves.
Brainwash anybody?
The laying of land mines WITHOUT acurately marking their positions is is breach of the Laws of Armed Combat also known as the Geneva Conventions.
Strangely enough Argentina signed those conventions.
So by laying those land mines so irresponsibly make Argentina in BREACH of the Geneva Conventions on the Laws of Armed Combat.
It is therefore Argentina's responisbility to make reparations to repair the damage you did.
But then keeping you word is an honourable thing to do. Argentina has no honour, so it has no problems breaking its word.
Just like it has no ability to take any responsibility for all the ills you have caused the people of the Falkland Islands, the native peoples of Argentina, or even your own 'disappeared' from the dirty war.
It isn't faux indignation. It is real anger, that Argentina is so dishonourable and doesn't believe in basic human rights, and refused to acknowlegde that you were WRONG when you illegally invaded that Falklands.
Lets look at more breaches of the Geneva Conventions, shall we?
- Opening fire whilst under a flag of truce - WAR CRIME
- Shooting at Pilots bailing out of an aircraft - WAR CRIME
- Imprisioning a civilian population for months at a time, and not marking the place were they are imprisoned to protect them - WAR CRIME.
- Boobytrapping the childrens' desk in the school with high explosives - WAR CRIME
- Hiding military equipment under the 'protected' Red Cross sympbol - WAR CRIME
There are probably many more, but I think we all get the picture.
Time does not erase crimes, Think. Nazi war criminals are still being hunted.
One day, Argentina will pay for all the crimes you've committed against humanity, that is assuming you don't turn on each other first, and commit those self same crimes against each other.
Just like in the Dirty War. How many crimes against humanity did Argentines commit against their fellow countrymen?
Pretending it never happened doesn't work Think/DoD, the world knows the truth.
Under Article 4's destruction provision, with the exception of mines necessary for demining purposes, each state party must “destroy or ensure the destruction” of all stockpiled mines it “owns, possesses, or that are under its jurisdiction or control” within four years of the treaty's entry into force for that Country.
Article 5 requires each state party to destroy all Anti Personal Mines in mined areas “under its jurisdiction or control” within 10 years of the entry into force date for that Country.
www.armscontrol.org/act/1997_09/apltreat
Inform yourself........, Turnips.
The laying of land mines without acurately marking their positions is a WAR CRIME.
“war crime means an act or omission committed during an armed conflict that, at the time and in the place of its commission, constitutes a war crime according to customary international law or conventional international law applicable to armed conflicts, whether or not it constitutes a contravention of the law in force at the time and in the place of its commission.”
Here is a link to educate you into what is, or is not considered a war crime.
www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/W/Warcrimes.aspx
Here are a few that Argentina committed during the Falklands War.
Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement, taking of hostages.
Making improper use of a flag of truce, of the flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy or of the United Nations, as well as of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions, resulting in death or serious personal injury.
Utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations;
Ordering the displacement of the civilian population for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand;
Also:
Civilians are not legitimate targets. Furthermore, combatants who have laid down their arms or become hors de combat, including those who are leaving sinking ships or parachuting from planes, must be treated humanely.
Or try this:
Placing minefields without marking and recording them for later removal is considered a war crime under Protocol II of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, which is itself an annex to the Geneva Conventions.
In other words the Ottawa Landmine Treaty is one thing, but it still doesn't absolve Argentina from the fact that laying them without acurately marking them was a WAR CRIME!
'Think' about that.
Thank goodness all Rgs are not this thick
Poor Think is off his game today. He mixed up his Think/Doveoverdover logins on the Stamp article (as well as try to best me in German and failing). And he just cornered himself in the 1833 Parallel Truths article.
He's probably tying to salvage a shred of dignity here. But I THINK he'll disappear for a while and let DoD take over.
Go back and read Article 4 pay attention to the word, stockpiled! doubt it means mines laid and left behind by a defeated enemy. It relates to mines already held in ammunition stores. We no longer have them. Doubt I can say the same about you.
Tell you what, if there are some their in say 2029, why don't you try and bring us up before the UN for breaching the treaty, see how far you get before they laugh you out of the building.
Sole responsibility lies with the UK! Man you are a piece of work. Talk about trying to avoid responsibility real and morally, for your actions. You are responsible for them being there in the first place! Do not try and hide behind treaty negotiated nearly two decades later, to cover up your war crimes!
Typical fascist apologia we expect from “Think” wanting his have and celebrate his Dirty War and eat it too (well not the last part, he's a full on cheerleader for it).
Fact, treaties aside, it often is the job of the people with the territory at the end to have to clean it up. The defeated enemy cannot be trusted with cleanup honestly or competently. Culpability lays with the country who provided the war criminals that deployed the mines. But def acto liability must lie with those currently responsible for the safety of its people -- not those who continue to show them raw naked contempt (i.e., AR).
Fact, AR laid most of those mines either incompetently, or with depraved indifference -- especially in the last minute fortifications of Stanley in the end (which fascist warcrimes apologists for the Dirty War and its failed Hail Mary pass like Think must always be remind, included intents to use the citizens as human shields in house to house warfare by desperate underlings). At the end, it was safe to say that they were going to be routed, it was only a matter of when the “criteria” needed to surrender would be met before they gave it up. They were sloppy by “necessity” and had no skin in the game since the clock was nearly up.
Fact, since AR was willfully negligent and deceptive through their illegal war and illegal occupation, their valid documentation is poor, AR mines data have no working fidelity.
Fact. The soils on the islands are not kind to keeping things still. The mines are suspended in a less-than-stable media. Even WITH reliable mapping, mine detection in such environs is slow and dangerous. and must be done right!
And finally, fact. Ottawa was written and signed in ~1997~ and went active in 1999. After his beloved Junta's Dirty War was put to an end -- by the UK. (Your welcome, I'd say if I were British).
Irredeemable. Unrepentant. Fascists.
If you do your research, I think, you will find that the UK was given a extension to March 2019 !!
What would you think ?
You say…:
”Go back and read Article 4 pay attention to the word, stockpiled!
Doubt it means mines laid and left behind by a defeated enemy.”
I say….: You could try to read Article 5…:
Destruction of anti personnel mines in mined areas
1. Each State Party undertakes to destroy or ensure the destruction of all anti personnel mines in mined areas under its jurisdiction or control, as soon as possible but not later than ten years after the entry into force of this Convention for that State Party.
www.armscontrol.org/act/1997_09/apltreat#Text
What part of *”*ALL anti personnel mines in mined areas under its jurisdiction or control*”* are you in doubt about?
Think. You use this word a lot. I do not think you know what it means.
@26 Surely you're not surprised? Argieland contains on the order of 40 MILLION war criminals. “ThinkDoD” will be one of them. Remember those videos of tens of thousands of argies celebrating in the streets because their 66,000 troops and 4 naval task forces had overcome 80 Royal Marines? Although a teensy bit of celebration might be excused. A little bit more warning and the Royal Marines could probably have wiped the lot out. And no loss, either!
El Think is never wrong, his Scandinavian ascendance is undeniable!
Aregentine treaty.
Are they so stupid that they can remove the mines after thirty years or they eat donkey meat?
Maybe they need your expert assistance.
Why don't you go and remove some of those landmines yourself?
You'll be given a dodgy map, that was only partially completed by the Argentine soldiers who laid the land mines, because they couldn't give a feck.
The best way for you to find them is to jump up and down on the spot. Then move a few feet forwards and repeat.
If you find you are flying through the air, you can congratulate yourself for removing one of the mines, in only a few minutes, when it takes these experts days or even weeks to cover the same area.
In the meantime, Argentina should answer for the war crimes it committed against the Falkland Islanders and the British such as:
Invading sovereign British Territory.
Imprisoning the civilian population and threatening to murder them all.
Opening fire during a truce.
Opening fire on aircrew abandoning their damaged aircraft.
Hiding military equipment under the protected symbol of the Red Cross.
Booby trapping the childrens desk in the school with high explosives.
Then you can answer for the war crimes committed against your own people:
30,000 disappeared Argentine people - all believed to have been murdered by the Argentine government.
Nearly 500 Argentine sailors - abandoned to die by their escorts when the General Belgrano was hit.
Maybe Mercopress needs to do regular articles on the victims of the Dirty War, because you Argentines trolls on here don't appear to give a sh!t about them.
Just like you don't give a sh!t about the 85 Argentine citizens murdered by the Iranians.
Argentine government and Argentine trolls: no honour, no courage, no morals, no ethics and no hope.
Those officers were able to enter a defence, that they were only obeying orders, right so far?
So they allow a defence, that was thrown out at Nuremberg! That the rest of the civilised world accepts is repugnant and devoid of all moral responsibility.
Explains a lot!
If you have time to beat/torture children in Iraq you should have enough time to clear mines after 30 years.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDUMi53l2rI
Our dictators are in jail, Tony Blair is a Middle East peace envoy.
Inform yourself.
Some went to jail, the killers walked free!
Do you have any idea how many innocents civilians died in Iraq because of a lie(WMD)?
Inform yourself or ask your elected official Tony Blair , Middle East peace envoy.
Been on here to long.
See you all, have to take the wife to see the monster in law.
Inform yourself.
www.tonyblairwarcriminal.com/
www.iraqbodycount.org/
Meanwhile your war criminals from 1982 have yet to be formally tried for their crimes against the people of the Falklands since all of your successive governments openly approve and remorselessly celebrate the actions described in @6, @26, @28 with coins to your people and medals to your regional accomplices. So spare us your fake indignation and whataboutery, as @52 says, the soldiers were dealt with in your case for the actions at hand. In your case, your people were effectively punished for losing your war of conquest and forced colonization.
I read your article and I had no idea. We're going to commence negotiations to hand the Falkland Islands over to Argentine without delay.
we allow the idiots like Marcos Alejandro inject their stupid hatred on to a thread in order to change the topic.
It is not as though he has anything different or constructive to post, treat him like sussie and ignore him.
Simple!
At least for 1982 I suspect a lionshare of the worst of ill-laid mines were deployed at the end with no expectation of holding the islands in the long term. It was clear that they were soon to be defeated and their conscripts and cowardly officers had no experience in fighting people who, for the first time in their careers, could actually shoot back (heck, they were ~actually~ armed). The mines were to delay the inevitable British advance and of course maliciously punish the islanders for not submitting to their jackboot and they had no expectation to remove it to accommodate a new implanted population of AR “citizens” (if that's what you can call mainland subjects of the Junta).
Fast forward to 2013 where we have fascist nostalgists of the Junta like Think and Marcus raging over the fact that their mines are still there should they ever get their fantasy getting a mulligan and retake the Islands and finally at last have the colony they have always dreamed of (at least since the 40s when the fantasy was rebooted). And of course, they would lack the very same critical data required (not to mention expertise) to remove their own mines themselves.
If you believe the Falklands are Argentine sovereign territory then surely your glorious leader should be offering to clear them as in your warped sense of reality the Islands should be under Argie jurisdiction?
very good news indeed, well done FALKLANDS!!!, good news is becoming somewhat of a habit lately.
Now lets see how argentinas governement deals with having the Legal UN binding “SELF-DETERMINATION” bomb dropped on them next month :)
SELF DETERMINATION.....Medicine for Argentinas Bitterly Brainwashed!
“Our dictators are in jail,”
Including Patricia Dowling?
Only 22 days to SELF DETERMINATION
You say...:
“If you believe the Falklands are Argentine sovereign territory then surely your glorious leader should be offering to clear them ...”
I say...:
I refer to my comment (22) where I write...:
“Argentina has, repeatedly, offered the UK to remove all the mines.”
I'll repeat, for you...:
Each and every democratic Argentinean administration since 1983 has offered the UK to remove all the mines on the Malvinas Islands...
Each and every administration....
Including the Kirchner one.
They rejected the offer, because they trust you no more than the Poles, Czechs, Danes, French, or Dutch would trust a German government that still claimed their territories, celebrated and insisted upon heir 1942 borders and only ever so slightly de-nazified and are awash with Little Eichmanns proud of their war crimes and their population blushes with PRIDE over what they did in the war. The difference of course is that Germany has truly reformed. Argentina clearly hasn't.
you are all starting to sound like marcos
i was pointing out that The Falklands are successfully cleaning up after our careless forgetful argentine comrades after their outing in 82, messy lot.
BBC News
Sunday, 14 March 2010
Field sweep
“But it is not just Argentine weapons they are looking for.
On Sapper Hill, next to the minefield, is a strip of land where the British dropped cluster munitions, a more random dispersal”
Mine map
”What does help the clearance teams is knowing where the mines lie, thanks to careful plans left behind by the Argentines.
On a computer screen in the nearby office of the Falkland Islands Demining Programme, technical adviser Guy Marot clicks between an aerial photo of two cleared minefields and a hand-drawn diagram of the same spot, to demonstrate how reality matches the plan.
He scrolls through pages of numerical records, entitled Armada Argentina (Argentine navy) with tables of numbers corresponding to exact positions where mines were laid.
To date, he says, the records have been accurate.
“It does show us where the mines are, in what rows and in what configuration,” he says.
Well, well, well look what we have here...
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8564061.stm
Oh - that makes it alright then?
Lets recapitulate:
(2010) BBC wrote:
”The Falklands Demining Programme, technical adviser Guy Marlot scrolls through pages of numerical records, entitled Armada Argentina (Argentine navy) with tables of numbers corresponding to exact positions where mines were laid.”
”What does help the clearance teams is knowing where the mines lie, thanks to careful plans left behind by the Argentines.”
“It does show us where the mines are, in what rows and in what configuration,” he says.”
”To date, he says, the records have been accurate.”
(2013) Technical Projects Manager for BACTEC, Paul McCarthy, says:
”It can be quite frustrating and from both sides (Argentine and British) because records were made at a time when there were heightened problems and so the accuracy has proven to be a little bit out especially on things like bearings. We need to unlock that intellectually. But on the same side of that is the fact the British have done the translations in 82 and 86 and again in the early 90’s and some of the information they’ve take from the Argentine records is they’ve made assumptions and that’s proven to be quite difficult as well.”
Yet, the Turnips in here say:
(6), (26), (28) LEPRecon: ”Illegally placing landmines without marking their positions.”
”The laying of land mines without acurately marking their positions is a WAR CRIME.”
(8) Anglotino: ”..unmarked mines during an illegal occupation”
(34), (40) GFace: ”Fact, AR laid most of those mines either incompetently, or with depraved indifference..”
”…you laid those undocumented and poorly documented mines to being with…”
(68) Room101: ”Just imagine taking over the Falklands and not knowing where you'd placed your own mines.”
(70) Beef: ”They would be cleared if you bunch had bothered to abide by good governance in your invasion and mapped them appropriately.”
One wonders where these Turnips get their ”Facts”
The Sun, perhaps?
Brainwash anybody?
I recall edicts on our radio from your lunta back late april 82 ordering us innocent Islanders to avoid many areas due the mines laid by the retreating marines- who actually did NOT have mines to lay anyway! What was happening was some of your soldiers were blowing themselves up on mines laid by their mates who had not told anyone! These are FACTS - the things Argies hate!
No Islander1… Those are not “FACTS”…
Those are urban legends, false myths and widely distributed untruths…
Three things that “Fit Perfectly” into the siege mentality of the Kelpers..
And that “Perfect Fit” is the ONLY true reason of why those mines haven’t been removed decades ago......
Wriggle & squirm as much as you like Dear Think, but the guts of the matter is:-
lf your illegal invasion hadn't put the mines there in the first place,
We wouldn't have this problem now.
lt matters not whether the mines are mapped, unmapped , sowed by frightened conscripts or left there for political reasons, the fact of the matter is:-
1) Your country had no right to be in our country.
2) Your country put them there.
3) Your country alone, is responsible for the whole sordid scenario.
As someone else remarked, we do not want obnoxious Argentine soldiers cluttering up OUR countryside.
l do not trust Argentina to do the job with no conditions, in fact l do not trust Argentina at all!
@23 reality check,
Don't apologise, l agree wholeheartedly with your comment.
Yes Arg did indeed offer to assist in demining- and 1 or 2 retired ex Army Officers visited here a few years ago to help with the update of the area locations where they were able to.
Arg Commanders after the surrender in 82 were not overlly helpfull - despite their need to do so under the Geneva Convention(after all they were not even helpfull in identifying their own dead!). But luckily a number of their Engineer Officers were and volunteered to stay behind quietly for some time and assist the British as much as they could with area locations etc - but even they could not do much more than assist with general “areas” in the case of those unprofessionally laid.
Logically there is NO WAY we would permit Arg personnell to come here while their Govt is still actively claiming ownership of OUR HOMELAND.
We and our Govt made it clear to UK some years ago that nice as it would be to have the mines cleared- they are all fenced off and are not a threat to life.
In large areas in Africa and the far East after decades of civil wars - innocent civilans are still killed/injured on a regular basis and we would rather UK focused their cost of funding to the worldwide clearance campaign in those areas and put us well down the list.
That is why the process only started here a few years ago and is taking time - and naturally is concentrating initially on the easier better mapped fields.
Do please explain to me - even with maps - how would you clear mines laid in beach sand and open to wave/tidal/sand-dune movement
even in less than 10 years?
Oh - and if there was a minefield in Arg laid by the Falklands - would you trust us 101% if we said they had cleared?
Those broadcasts certainly existed and you surely remember them...
But the rest of your post (94) is just a convenient urban legend that suits your political agenda...
Answering your last question...:
if there was a minefield in Arg laid by the British, the Chileans, the Bolivians, the Paraguayans, the Brazilians, the Uruguayans etc. and they said it was cleared; I would indeed trust them 100%
BUT ............
I would direct my children and grandchildren to play ball some other place...
HOWEVER.....
The same would be the case if I had paid some Zimbabweans to do the job...
www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2010/10/falkland-islands-de-mining/
You will note the reference “As with Goose Green, no Argentine records exist for the minefields on West Falkland”
The fact that some of the mines were plastic a stupid invention a minefield properly sited screws up an advance anyway and the natureof peat makes things even worse.
Laying a minefield and marking the location correctly of the mines you laid is a really time consuming and skilled task I've done it on exercise and its a pig using practice mines lead to a surreal conversation with some hikers . “ yes you can walk on the public footpath but please dont tread on the landmines you might break them”
Half trained conscripts and the lovely climate of the falkands that was always going to go wrong and argentina has very little demining experance the royal engineers gave up because it was costing limbs after the war war was over you pathetic losers.
Nothing like looking down when on patrol and seeing a minefield sign in the midde of a river fortunatly it had been washed down from somewhere else
You're welcome.
After reading your comment I will say “case closed”
Please Brits, inform yourselves.
You say...:
“It was not just the mines, it was also the pathetic cowardly booby traps left as they surrendered.....”
I say....:
Yeahhhh................................. Right.....
Your Kelper urban myth about the Argies unmapped mine fields is torn to pieces by your own British experts and a heap of official British documentation.......
Time then for you to come forwards withanother of your Kelper urban myths.....
All those hundreds of booby traps left everywhere by the Argies......
Curiously, there is no any documentation about them...., nor any picture....... nothing.....
Just another urban myth that grow bigger and bigger with time and is revived once in a while to ..........well................brainwash the Turnips.
read
www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2010/10/falkland-islands-de-mining/
'- What are the consequences kelpers plebiscite conducted?
-It has no legal value, as with a plebiscite to be made in the rock of Gibraltar, which was not recognized. The UN does not recognize this kind of plebiscite. Already in 1985 it was anticipated to England, he would not recognize a plebiscite in the Falklands. It will be something that may appear for a couple of days in the newspapers and nothing else. For me it would make the plebiscite in London and Londoners ask if they want the Falklands are British.
- Could hold a plebiscite in Argentina with the same sense, that the Argentines have a voice?
- What for? To what do we do something that does not have any legal value. They do it because they have no argument to justify that still follow the British government illegally occupying the Falkland Islands. Then invent these things.
-Given that risk, some Argentine specialists in the Malvinas issue argue that at some point would have to sit down with the Islanders.
- How many years have to happen for Israeli settlers in the West Bank feel with the right to negotiate independently with Palestine? How long will it take for that to happen? The British have the same situation as Israel in the West Bank: population have led to another country under military occupation. Ask the Chinese if they accepted that they ask the people of Hong Kong in a plebiscite to see what they would do.'
tiempo.infonews.com/2013/02/17/argentina-96654-si-se-lleva-adelante-el-memorandum-se-activa-la-causa-y-comienza-el-juicio.php
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7216149.stm
Of the 20k mines... A summary statistic
'Lord Howell of Guildford said of the 20,000 landmines scattered around the Falklands, 18,000 of them were put there by the Argentines “often by recruits who have no idea where they are now, or by remote devices”. '
Sapper Hill in the story Marcus cherrypicked was documented since it was likely deployed by what passed for trained professional AR warfighters under a Junta that specualized in fighting their own civilians (not to mention the Islanders) and I will credit that far. But a goodly number was laid in what one can “excuse” as desperation to delay defeat, war crimes all the same.
I'm not trying to be a “goody goody”.
Do try not to be a “porkie teller”.
EOD spent a lot of time removing and destroying these, you say.........
Didn't EOD had cameras in 1982?
EOD NORMAL PROCEDURE (in ANY Country) is DOCUMENTATION.
Any pictures........? Why not.......? Forgot your Instamatic at home?
Now...... I will not deny the probability of one or two of the “sickos” we had as officers in Malvinas, improvising a couple of booby traps somewhere with a hand granade or similar......
But from there to make it to a big issue is a loooooong way......
I “Think” even the most fanatical anti Argentinean element in here would have a very hard time finding any other civilian population in the world being so well treated by occupying troops during an armed conflict.
The only British civilians killed or injured were so by the hand of the British troops.....
So stop whining.......
You are such a tossa think, if you had not invaded us, those people would not have been killed, I am not a liar like you think!
The burden of proof lies with the defendent in a court case, not with the accusor. “Falkland Islands” is accusing the RG government of war crime and it is up to you to prove him/her wrong with evidence, not for them to prove their case. How about you prove that no bobby traps were left behind and that ALL mine fields have been correctly documented according to international laws?
FYI a first hand witness account stands for a lot more than any meaningless treaty you might find on the internet. If FI says he/she was there then it is up to you to prove they weren't, which would be impossible unless you were also there and know who FI is. I doubt both.
Maybe the evidence you wish FI to provide exists but they have no access to it? I doubt you can just call up EOD and ask for access to their private materials to prove a point in an internet forum.
You are such a tossa Falkland Islands, if you had not invaded us,(in 1833) those people would not have been killed........
I'm still waiting for ANY “booby traps” pictures from the British EOD.
Hundreds of books have been written by hundreds of veterans...
Not ONE picture of those (in)famous Argie booby traps on them...
Not ONE picture of those (in)famous Argie booby traps on Internet...
Not ONE picture of those (in)famous Argie booby traps in Malvinas...
How can that be?
Was the British EOD incompetent?
I don't “Think” so!
The only ones who invaded the Falklands in 1833 was the RGs. The only ones who died did so by the hand of your own countrymen.
In the hundreds of books written by hundreds of veterans and history professers all confirm that there was NO explusion in 1833 of any civilian population.
I would have thought you would know that by now.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reassertion_of_British_sovereignty_over_the_Falkland_Islands_(1833)
en.mercopress.com/2011/02/26/falklands-facts
www.scribd.com/doc/106213592/Falklands-Wars-The-Expulsion-Myth
baexpats.org/topic/20442-argentinas-1833-myth-a-population-expelled-de-bunked-yet-again/page__st__20
(I like the last one the best, written by RGs who are intelligent enough to know the truth)
In the aftermath of the 1982 conflict over 1.000 Argentine anti-personnel, 80 anti-vehicle mines and 1,000 booby traps were cleared in 30 minefields. In 2009/2010 a pilot project cleared a further four minefields of 1,246 (678 anti-personnel and 568 anti-vehicle) mines.
The 18,000 mines estimate (14,000 anti-personnel and 4,000 anti-vehicle) were laid by the Argentine armed forces in some 113 minefields during the conflict according to Lord Astor.
Regarding all UK-emplaced mines in five anti-personnel minefields around the then RAF Stanley “they were lifted immediately after the cessation of hostilities.
I see you have retracted your statement that all the the minefields were mapped and these maps were handed over.
I suppose that because there are no pictures of Argentines being thrown from planes, that also never happened.
“Astiz is known to have committed several war crimes during this period, notably attempting to lure Royal Navy helicopters to land on a helipad he had previously mined,* after he had surrendered to British forces.* The pilots were suspicious, and landed elsewhere. Astiz also attempted to encourage Royal Marines across a minefield, after he had surrendered. The mines did not function correctly, as their trigger mechanisms had been frozen solid by the sub-zero weather conditions. Astiz was never tried for these crimes.”
I “Think” even the most fanatical anti Argentinean element in here would have a very hard time finding any other civilian population in the world being so well treated by occupying troops during an armed conflict.
Oh that's alright then I guess, As long as the “ civilian population were being so well treated by the occupying troops.” That's makes it ok for them to leave grenades in school desks, use the post office and peoples houses as toilets, plant uncharted minefields where ever they felt the need too........
And as for your laughable attempt at trying to dismiss those Argentine “booby traps”..... There are no photo's of the English civil war but we know that it happened, there are no photo's of the Argentinians slaughtering the rightful owners of their land but we know that it happened, why??? because people wrote about it!!!
“Hundreds of books have been written by hundreds of veterans...”
MMMMMM hundreds of books, all saying the same thing....... now why is that I wonder?? could they all be saying the same thing because they are right??
Clown
Very good points, completely agree.
Keep the pressure on Think, the lying old reprobate.
He is starting to crack. snigger
I 'think' he has already cracked, he certainly hasn't responded to anyone in awhile. Maybe my links about the 1833 explusion myth fried what was left of his brain :)
Now I understand your idea of “winning an argument” against me.
It just takes six or seven British turnips flocking together.......
Competing about who says the most turnipy things.
You have certainly won many of them arguments, Dahling ;-)
I'll repeat for the Turnips...:
ANY EOD in the world is equiped with cameras, and they use them constantly...
They MUST and DO document their work..... It's “normal procedure”.
The “Malvinas War” was one of the most documented and photographed conflicts on the story of humanity......
Yet..............., not ONE picture of those manyArgie booby traps...
Just a convenient urban legend to brainwash the Turnips.....
Chuckle chuckle.
You still haven't responded to the 1833 explusion myth you were babbling about before. I provided you with plently of evidence that no explusion happened yet you never brought the topic up again, strange that Chuckle chuckle
I went on the EOD offical website and there was no gallery of photos nor documentation of their work that I could see, maybe we require your expert fact finding skills to show us how to procure these documents? I wouldn't have thought that these documents would have public access but I could be wrong. Please provide links to these documents of the Falklands War you speak of, assuming they exist in the public domain. If they don't, then asking us to provide evidence of them is rather difficult. Unless there are any skilled hackers among us?
en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/26177/0x0/0221-hackers-malvinas-g-jpg-1121220956.jpg
Chuckle chuckle
To quote you
'The “Malvinas War” was one of the most documented and photographed conflicts on the story of humanity......
B.S.!
How many photos exist of anywhere to date of IED's on the internet?
This knid of stuff never gets released, or at laest whoever has the knowlage to disarm, - Never makes that public knowlage.
I'll also add that the 'booby-trapped' munitions your people left at Goosegreen could not have been photographed anyhow, as they detonated, and killed your own poor conscripts.
These poor wretches were not even told what 'surprise' had been left for the British soldiers.
Talk about cowardly loosers.
You turned one of your own soldiers in to a human torch, due to your incompatence, - Then have the cheek to go on about it being the British forces fault.
Murdering cnuts.
No idea what that picture was supossed to represent but that is no concern of mine.....
You still haven't provided links to the EOD documentation of the Falklands War which would led one to the conculsion that such documents are not available for public consumption. Therefore asking for these documents is somewhat pointless and void.
Asking people to provide evidence when they have no access to that evidence undermines your agrument rendering it useless.
Nice to see Penguin News getting rid of that sheep and now using the real flag of the land.
:-))
A patch of turnips are superior to a withered up old swede any day, dear Thinkus. lol
Yes, dahling, you have been defeated many times.
You just won't admit it.
But then, you never admit when you're wrong, do you my sweet?
March the 10th will change your tune, my lad.
That's typical of you shower.
You take pride in hacking.
Well, enjoy your glow, hacking/pasting(?) a picture of your silly flag is the only time you will ever see it in the Falklands.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTOXGBYzz0U
What's up think FAA got no instamatics?
Most of the fools probably think that this is true!
They are not bad at computer graphics, but hopeless at war.
Oh well, time to do some work.
Now if it had been on the BBC our precious Think would be rejoicing in its veracity and quoting to his little hearts content.
Shame he doesn't know about Middleton. Perhaps his alter ego “Doddy” might give him a clue.
“The “Malvinas War” was one of the most documented and photographed conflicts on the story of humanity......”
No it wasn't. That is a lie now, isn't it?
I remember watching the news (this was before 24 hour news channels) when the Falklands War occured.
Most of the time it was just footage of aircraft taking off and landing, and then of a few troops tabbing over the islands.
The media were not allowed anywhere near the fighting for their own safety. They certainly wouldn't have been allowed near booby traps for the same reason.
Also, camera's and other photographic equipment didn't fair too well in the weather, and there was no such thing a digital imaging back then. The camera crews and photographers had to take all their own film with them and, as the supply line was so long, it took an awful long time to reach them.
Therefore, they had to ration what they photographed.
Maybe you've just watched too many propaganda films regarding the sinking of HMS Invincible. I mean, how many times did the Junta claim to have sunk it? Three, four times?
You are as delusional as your Junta was.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S6rQrSUeD4
Retards.
30 years after the 1982 invasion Argentina shows that it is still run by a bunch of facists who would think nothing about murdering all the Falklanders who stand in their way.
Argentina has had 30 years to prove that you were nothing like the military junta. 30 years to apologise for the military aggression that they lived under for 3 months before liberation.
30 years to build bridges of trust, friendship, mutual co-operation and respect.
30 years to try and woo the Islanders, and show them that becoming a part of Argentina would be beneficial to them.
30 years to grow up and join the real world.
In those 30 years Argentina has just become increasingly aggressive towards the Falkland Islanders.
You refuse to acknowledge their existence or their human rights.
The problem is that Argentina is so monumentally mismanaged that you can't even run your own country, it collapses into chaos every decade. Why would anyone voluntarily want to join a country that continually elects corrupt politicians who care nothing for Argentina and their people?
None of your neighbours trust you, and why should they? You always break your word.
Just like in the 70's you said all you wanted was a peaceful solution, and then you attacked a defenceless people, and invasion force of 10,000 to invade some Islands that had around 3000 people on at the time, including 70 Royal Marines.
That's just so 'brave' of Argentina. But you couldn't hold out against people who could and did fight back.
So all you did was scatter landmines around in breach of the Geneva Conventions, without marking them.
Argentina needs to build bridges. The 1st bridge needs to be an apology from the government of Argentina to the people of the Falklands for the illegal invasion in 1982.
Until you do that, there will be never be any trust that Argentina has changed, you'll still be the same facists that you were then, the National Socialist facists.
got you!
that is not Mario Alejandro
is the chinese ciber attack////
Blah blah blah...dumb Brit you are talking to another Brit(“Mario”)
poor “british agent”.....,,,,,//// “agent” ? jajaja
she keeps rattling the same crap against argentinians while the Taliban is planning to attack the british embassy in argie land.
well, she might say the chinese cyber attack is not real...
Don't forget the letter drop at location #42 at 10pm.
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