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Self determination and world examples dominated political debate hosted by Falklands

The 43rd British Islands and Mediterranean Region (BIMR) Annual Conference of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA), held in the Falkland Islands on the 12th and 13th February 2013, was described as both fascinating and provoking by delegates.

MLA Cheek: “We have much to learn from one another and many valuable contacts were made”

The theme of the two-day conference held on the 12th and 13th February was “Self-Determination and its role in Self Governance and Devolution”. Guest speakers were invited to address three plenary sessions.

The Rt Hon Baroness Scotland QC addressed the first Plenary Session, entitled “Self-Determination and its role in Self Governance and Devolution”. In her speech she placed the right to self-determination squarely within the international legal framework and gave examples of how fluid and varied a nation’s journey can be through different degrees of self-governance.

Professor Michael Keating addressed the second Plenary Session entitled “Arguments about Self-Determination”. He explained the different elements required for a nation to determine its own future, and the different ways in which this can occur. He concluded with a statement describing how over time a group can constitute itself as a people to determine their own future, so long as it can be demonstrated that there is a genuine desire to do so.

These Plenary Sessions were followed by two workshops, focusing on “The challenges of Governance in smaller territories and regions” and “Theories of Self-Determination: How have these theories been applied in recent years across the world and what are the international trends?“

The second day of the conference saw The Hon Samantha Sacramento MP deliver a speech on behalf of Fabian Picardo, Chief Minister of Gibraltar prior to the third Plenary Session entitled “The Right to Self Determination is not curtailed by Sovereignty Claims”. The speech described Gibraltar’s own journey of self-determination, and the challenges faced by small states in exercising their right to decide their own political future.

The final Open Plenary discussed “Experiences in the Development of Greater Regional and National Autonomy”.

MLA Jan Cheek said: “besides the relevance and thought provoking quality of the presentations and workshops I enjoyed the opportunity to talk in the margins to most of the participants. We have much to learn from one another and many valuable contacts were made.”

MLA Summers added that “it was an interesting experience for all parties to the Conference to be able to compare the varying levels of devolved government in their territories, and the important role played by self-determination in reaching those positions. The right of the people to choose their relationship with others remains a key determinant in their interrelationships, and remains one of the most fundamental of human rights.”

MLA Dick Sawle said: “for me the thing that stood out was that there is no one size fits all definition of self determination. All of the paths that countries/territories have taken in the exercise of self-determination have been different. Ours is a classic case of finding a path forward for the Falkland Islands that meets the requirements of our home and people.”
 

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1 Gustbury (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
All world knows Bennies are ILEGAL in that islands!!! www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4807310/Fresh-transatlantic-row-breaks-out-after-US-refuses-to-recognise-upcoming-Falklands-referendum-on-whether-to-remain-British.html -hahahahaha
2 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
Sixteen days to go.
3 Raven (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
@ Gustbury

Bollocks. If it was so illegal as you claim, get CFK to make a case at the ICJ.

Of course she wont though, that's a court she can't lean on to alter the final decision when the ''result'' is not in her favour..

Tough luck, get used to it.
4 Phil H (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
Gustbury a bit late are you not.. Argentinians have been posting that all over the net today frantically.. No where does it say Islanders are illegal you liar. What do you not understand about 'The USA does not recognise Argentine sovereignty' over the Falklands.. .. as quoted there.. All it is saying is that the situation is the same as always.. until next month when the people you call 'Bennies' vote to kick you lot for good. And the Sun for goodness sake? We have a childs comic called the 'Beano' here maybe you could look through that to see any other imaginary story that takes your fancy..
5 Searinox (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
The US has said they won't change their possition because of the Pseudo-Referendum.....haha...No problem, it wouldn't be weird that the Monopolic “Penguin News” hides all that kind of information....they are the Mediatic Weapon to stupefy the islanders...
6 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
#1 I think what you meant is. “The whole world knows that the occupation of the Falklands by the islanders is illegal” . Just like your poor grasp of spoken English, you have a very poor understanding of it.

Have a read of this it should help you improve your English:- www.buenosairesherald.com/article/124653/puppets-on-a-string

Truth hurts, doesn't it...... Puppet :-))))))
7 Hepatia (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/22/self-determination-and-world-examples-dominated-political-debate-hosted-by-falklands#comment220118: From the article, “The Sun can reveal Mr Hague is expected to grill ex-US presidential candidate Mr Kerry on the White House’s position.” Grill? Grill! Puppy dogs do not grill their masters. Who do these Brits think they are!

John Kerry is going to London to issue his orders to the British. Mr Hague's job will be to copy down those orders faithfully.
8 saphira (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 05:15 pm Report abuse
It's in the sun, for petes sake they must be short on famous people eating furry pets to run a story full of air
9 Shed-time (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
It's all kind of irrelevant. US support or no support, nothing really changes other than the UN being incapable of suggesting that the islands aren't being decolonised. Besides the USA has its nuts in a vice about Chevron and the Ecuadorian court case.

We're not Israel and so the USA is not going to care what we think or do, getting upset about this is just a waste of time. It would be better to get Uruguayan or Chilean support and build up some friends and trading partners in the area.

End of.
10 Conqueror (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
@1 Funny little faggot! It's a headline, you muppet. The Americans say they'd like to be “neutral”. Perhaps we'll remind them of their history. But, to the Falkland Islands. Nothing illegal there. Doesn't the United Nations recognise them? If it doesn't, it has no business getting “involved”.

@5 Got your thesaurus out again, have you? Let's make something totally clear to you benighted ignoramuses. There is NOTHING that the United States or the United Nations can say or do that will change OUR decision. And OUR decision is that the Falkland Islanders are entitled to self-determination. It is doubtful if they would EVER determine that they no longer wish to own or live on the Islands. Possibly, in the course of the next couple of centuries, they may determine that they wish to change their political status. But that will be THEIR choice. Britain will respect THEIR choice. No-one else gets a say!

@7 Aaah, Hepatitis. I see you haven't changed. Still pasting the address of the page you're on to remind you where you are. A truly useless, ignorant muppet!

Let us remember that Mr Kerry is coming to US. Possibly hoping to rescue his political career by being seen in discussions with an intelligent and responsible government. No doubt Mr Kerry will be told his fortune. And that of his country.

You might remember, or research, how much various parts of the US industrial base relies on the UK. Keeping things on the right note, go figure how much British withdrawal would affect the F-35 program. Did you know that US tanks have British armour? Did you know that the US Navy has to ask British Type 45 destroyers to switch off their equipment so that the yanks can stand a chance in exercises?

Besides, Americans aren't like argies. They don't scuttle around the world telling lies to anyone forced to listen.

How long will it take before these things become obvious even to you? Until you're 10, 11, even 12? Months, that is!
11 Think (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

Not “Internationally Supervised”....... Nor “Intermationally Recognized”.
(As we already knew.....)

”Washington will not recognise the result of next month's referendum.”
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/22/william-hague-john-kerry-falklands_n_2739945.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

As one of my Argentinean compatriots so rightly put it on these pages some days ago……:

“The only thing that will come out of this “Referendum” is a series of ugly post stamps.”

Ps:
Mr. Joe Bloggs:
Did you ever post that letter with those ugly stamps to Villa Pagana?
Secretary says.......: No letters from them Islands...., yet.

Chuckle chuckle
12 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
It's the intellectual ineptitude of the FCO that I despair of.....

“Unlike Argentina, the UK has no desire to bring third parties into a bilateral issue. Our position on supporting self-determination for the Falkland islanders is underpinned by the United Nations Charter, which is binding on all UN members.”

Do they mean the US or the Islanders?
13 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
Thanks Stink:

“ A Foreign Office spokeswoman said the UK Government is in ”regular touch“ with the US on the issue of the Falklands.

A spokeswoman said: ”The US position has not changed. The US does not support Argentina's sovereignty claims. The US recognises the UK's administration of the Falkland Islands, but takes no position on sovereignty.

“We are, of course, in regular touch with the US on this issue, as on so many others. And we expect that dialogue to continue.

”Unlike Argentina, the UK has no desire to bring third parties into a bilateral issue. Our position on supporting self-determination for the Falkland islanders is underpinned by the United Nations Charter, which is binding on all UN members.”
14 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
I still can't wait to see what these diluded RG cranks do just before/during the referendum.

Should be very entertaining I'd think.............
15 Usurping Pirate (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
Now that the RG govt is cosying up to Iran , it cannot expect any support from the US .
Viva the Falklands !!
16 Clyde15 (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
#7
Who do these Brits think they are!

A people so superior to the likes of you that it offends my modesty to have to remind you.
17 An Argie (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 06:47 pm
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18 Think (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
(12) Mr. McDod

You say...:
“It's the intellectual ineptitude of the FCO that I despair of.....”

I say...:
You said it..... Not me..... :-)
19 Steveu (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
@7 Don't forget that we lease Ascension Island and Diego Garcia to the US and the lease on DG is up for renewal.

Be assured we are not the US's poodle!
20 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
17 An Argie

Why do you Argies get so hung up about the AMERICANS thing? You don't call yourselves Americans and you know the if the term is used anywhere in the world people immediately think of the people of the USA.
21 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Conquerer, apparently according to An Argie I am you. I am flattered!
22 Orbit (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
Erm, what has the US's neutral position got to do with the price of fish? 99% of the worlds countries are neutral on this question. I wouldn't expect anything different.

The only thing that matters is what the Islanders want for their future. The words self-determination are self-explanatory.
23 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
22 Orbit

Some (deadbeats) are acting so excited about this you would imagine the USA IS the world.

Chuckle chuckle
24 briton (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
He who matters
The Falklands

He, who cares,
The British,

Who is it to do with,
Besides the top two,
NO ONE..
.
25 andy65 (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
DEAR ARGENTINES

The US position as not changed in 31 years why are you getting so excited????
26 briton (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
Just for a faint obscure moment,
In the hope of a miracle,
The Argies were just [ hoping]
Lol.
Still
Ever seen an argie flying piglet

.
27 andy65 (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
LOL, I have to keep reminding these Argentine cats about the phrase LIP SERVICE The United States is satified whith THE STATUS QUO ,The United States would be happy to mediate IF THE UNITED KINGDOM wished them to do so (which they most certainly do not) so nothing changes and nothing will be changing anytime soon, Argentines should stop grasping at straws we understand and feel very sorry that the situation in Argentina is not good with rampant inflation,food shortages, crime etc but you have to stop dreaming.
28 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
23 Joe Bloggs

You know what Joe? I think that what the “La Campora” posters on here “Think” and say amount to exactly nothing...Nill.......Zero.

Oh they like to shout and they like to scream, they will tell ANYONE who will listen that they “don't recognise” this Referendum but so what?? They have trouble with the words “Self determination” as well, I hear that you can't find it in a dictionary anywhere in Argentina......

The Argentine stance on the Falkland Islands has not changed ( boo-hoo!! ) who cares??? I mean really? Does anyone, ANYONE on the Falklands care or take any notice of anything that BA does these days??

Have a safe and successful Referendum my friend, you and all you Falkland Islanders. No one gives a flying f**k what any Argentinian thinks, it's the rest of the world that will be watching you and it's the rest of the world that counts.
29 Pirate Love (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
“US neutrality”? Really, argtrolls?
would this be the same “US neutrality” They repeatedly shown in 1982???? :))))
enough said.....

SELF DETERMINATION....Its a picnic!
30 Steveu (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
I think the US position is neutral on the sovereignty question but recognising the FIG as the de facto administration and also the Islanders' rights to self determination as enshrined in the UN Charter.

Pretty simple really
31 andy65 (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
Not heard from Crissy Kirchner lately, perhaps there's been a secret military coup and she's banged up some where
32 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
11 Think

After some consideration that took me several minutes I decided not to waste my Benny Pennies on you by sending you some beautiful stamps.

28 Tooold

Cheers my friend. I always appreciate your kind words and strong support.

30 Steveu
Nothing's changed today, this week, year year, this decade or this quarter century. Small things amuse desperate minds.
33 Think (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
(32) Joe Bloggs

You say...:
“After some consideration that took me several minutes I decided not to waste my Benny Pennies on you by sending you some beautiful stamps.”

I can't say I'm surprised....
You maybe a Bennie full of pennies...
But you are most certainly not a Kelper.....
The Kelpers I value and respect know the value of a word.
34 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
33
Chuckle chuckle
35 andy65 (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
How are things my dear Think Stink
36 Xect (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
Got to love El Thicko's typically mindless attempts at getting the upper ground and then finishing it in his equally pathetic 'Chuckle Chuckle' posts.

It's fortunate he's wrong most of the time and often very spectacularly.

Maybe he should spend less time trying to be clever and more time trying to do some actual 'thinking'. Well that is, unless his name is designed to be ironic in how often he's wrong.

Where is CFK these days? She's gone from years of daily ranting to completely disappearing. Mental break down?
37 screenname (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
@19 Steveu: I believe the US has an extra 50 year option on Diego Garcia, otherwise they would be out the door.
38 Redrow (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
@ 11 Ingmar “Think”ersson

Q. Whose side did the USA publicly declare they were on in 1982?
A. Neither.
Q. For all practical purposes whose side were they really on?
A. UK
Q. Whose side did the USA publicly declare they were on in 2013?
A. Neither.
Q. For all practical purposes whose side are they really on?
A. ???????
39 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
38 Red

Ummm? Give me a clue.
40 Steveu (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
@37 This from Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia )

”On 30 December 1966, the US and the UK executed an agreement through an Exchange of Notes which permit the US to use the BIOT for defense purposes for 50 years (through December 2016), followed by a 20-year optional extension (to 2036) to which both parties must agree by December 2014.[19] No monetary payment was made from the US to the UK as part of this agreement or any subsequent amendment. Rather, the United Kingdom received a US$14 million discount from the US on the acquisition of submarine-launched ballistic missile system Polaris missiles per a now-declassified addendum to the 1966 agreement.“

So it looks like the 20 year extension has to be decided by 2014

The Wikipedia article makes some chilling reading - in particular:

”Diego Garcia is rumoured to have been one of the locations of the CIA's black sites. Several groups claim that the military base on Diego Garcia has been used by the US government for transport of prisoners involved in the controversial extraordinary rendition program, an allegation formally reported to the Council of Europe in June 2007. On February 21, 2008, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband admitted that two US extraordinary rendition flights refuelled on Diego Garcia in 2002. No reference was made to whether prisoners were on board the aircraft at the time.”

and (from cited from WikiLeaks in the same article):

“Additionally, Diego Garcia was used as a storage section for US cluster bombs as a detour from UK parliamentary oversight”

Seems the US are taking the piss at our expense!
41 José Malvinero (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
The comments of the people mentioned in this article, can be summarized as: “Fuck in the legal rigor.”
Volatile and vague concepts of people, nation, and the affirmation of the Fisherman English of the Argentine Sea, to mourn!: “Ours is a classic case of finding a path forward for the Falkland Islands That Meets the Requirements of our home and people.” What scientific your affirmation!
Poor squatters!
42 Steveu (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 11:18 pm Report abuse
@41 Che?
43 redpoll (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
Poor squatters? Like the ones in Santa Cruz province who get thier money stolen from them by the Kirschner family?
44 José Malvinero (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
More support, poor okupas.

www.infonews.com/2013/02/22/politica-62300-frica-tambien-reconoce-la-soberania-argentina-en-malvinas-islas-malvinas.php
45 Gustbury (#) Feb 22nd, 2013 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
hahahahahaha!! bennis your time is ending!! hahahaha www.telam.com.ar/notas/201302/8417-historico-reconocimiento-de-frica-a-la-soberania-argentina-en-malvinas.html
46 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:00 am Report abuse
#45 Equitorial Guinea. We are scared, very scared!

Dumbkopf!

North Korea next....
47 Gustbury (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:17 am Report abuse
Hey you English nobody wants you now!! what about Scotland!!next in go??
www.infobae.com/notas/697747-Todos-los-paises-de-Africa-respaldaron-el-reclamo-argentino-por-Malvinas.html
48 agent999 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:28 am Report abuse
@44 @45

The document also “urges the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume negotiations with Argentina to find as soon as possible a just, peaceful and definitive solution to the dispute, in accordance with the relevant resolutions United Nations and other regional and international organizations.

The document DOES NOT SAY that The 54 African countries joined ”South America to recognize the legitimate rights of sovereignty of Argentina over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas.”
49 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:39 am Report abuse
Kirchner and Timerman like a pair of PROSTITUTES going around the world BEGGING,then twisting anything that's said,truly very sad people
50 Hepatia (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 01:29 am Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/22/self-determination-and-world-examples-dominated-political-debate-hosted-by-falklands#comment220179: It matters because the government of the UK understands that without the support of at least one powerful American country they will have to return Las Malvinas to Argentina with the next 25 years. (There are other necessary conditions as well, but they are beyond the scope of this article.) They have chosen the US as that country. The purpose of the referendum is to impress the US. The US is remaining unimpressed by the UK's efforts.

I happen to believe that, in any event, the UK has chosen the wrong American country with whom to appeal there case. So, which ever way you look at it the referendum play has failed.
51 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 01:42 am Report abuse
As you can see from the headline CORRUPTION ALL STARS, SS Kirchner is very much at home with some of her African friends

http://100r.org/corruption-allstars/
52 Orbit (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 02:10 am Report abuse
@50. “It matters because the government of the UK understands that without the support of at least one powerful American country they will have to return Las Malvinas to Argentina with the next 25 years.”

Canada seems friendly enough. Does that meet your made up theory ?

Seriously though, are you Timerman ? Am noticing the same disjointed lunatic arguements.
53 Lord Ton (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 03:51 am Report abuse
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2013/02/22/more-silly-season/

The Yanks have ever adopted the same position. If it hadn'y have been for 1831 they may even have favoured Argentina - but Monroe's Doctrine didn't apply, and the Lexington scewed up the Yank's position for ever.

www.scribd.com/doc/103755318/Falklands-War-The-First-400-Years-PDF
54 bushpilot (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 04:09 am Report abuse
@50 Hepatia

“It matters because the government of the UK understands that without the support of at least one powerful American country they will have to return Las Malvinas to Argentina with the next 25 years.”

That seems a bit of a stretch to me. Why would the Falklands have to be “returned”, as you alone put it, to Argentina if the U.S. does not openly back the referendum results.

How is that going to proceed over the next 25 years? What events are going to take place that ultimately lead to the UK being forced to not support the Falklands? Because the U.S. does not openly support the Falklands position, what events do you think will take place? Step by step, can you expand on your prediction?
55 marcio (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 04:59 am Report abuse
Article of “the sun” clearly states: “David Cameron ordered the vote in a bid to silence Argentina's claim to the territories.” which shows clearly something quite obvious, the referendum was ordered from London and unplanned in the islands. Once again another overwhelming evidence that self-determination is blackmail, islanders are puppets of Britain and they love to be.
56 Frank (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 06:13 am Report abuse
@55 funny that you should mention puppets.... www.buenosairesherald.com/article/124653/puppets-on-a-string

nb note the colour of antarctica on that map.....
57 Steveu (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 08:11 am Report abuse
@56 Frank

Very good (and funny) article.
58 Terence Hill (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:52 am Report abuse
50 Hepatia

What ever position that countries have on the referendum are irrelevant. UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has raised no objection to the it.
The UK is running rings around Argentina legally, because in spite of Argentine objection, the legal effect is that she has acquiesced. By not legally trying to prevent it by applying to PCA or ICJ to quash it.
59 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:20 am Report abuse
@58 It's only a consultative local referendum anyway.
60 lsolde (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:33 am Report abuse
Sounds to me like the Argentines are getting desperate.
Clutching at straws & hoping for a miracle!
Soon it will be all over for you malvinistas, good l say.
Wonder how many of those African countries will be queuing up for OUR oil? ha ha ha ha.
Suck it up, Argentina.
61 Orbit (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:38 am Report abuse
@59 - but a particularly devastating one for Argentina's claim. Any national or supranational body they whine to will receive a copy of the referendum results. That body will then have no choice but to say, sorry but we can't help you, the UN charter trumps all hands.
62 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:43 am Report abuse
@60 Not many.

@61 How naive.
63 reality check (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:57 am Report abuse
@59

All democratic processes are locally consultative by their very nature,
Who elects your local MP, MEP, Councillors, School Governors?

Are you saying that the result is irrelevant to the issue? Because if you are, I would disagree.
64 bigron (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:01 am Report abuse
I despair and hope that many of the threads here come from teenagers whose nationalist instincts are 'stoked'' by our combative governments silly war of words.
65 Orbit (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:09 am Report abuse
@62 the Argentine government don't think that's a naive view, in fact they are spending millions of dollars trying to counter it. I would say they are pretty worried about it, wouldn't you?
66 reality check (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:20 am Report abuse
The Argentine governments current actions remind me of one of those exercise bikes I do not use at the gym I dont't go to. You pedal away like hell for ages and go nowhere!
67 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
@65 Wow, millions of dollars. It must be a real threat then. One that can't be ignored and that will end the dispute for ever.
68 yankeeboy (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
65. CFK is probably really worried because those are Millions U$ that should be going into her pocket instead!
69 Orbit (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
@67 - oh, silly me, I forgot they were socialists and didn't mind spending other people's money on something that is nothing to worry about, meaningless and has no bearing on their claim.
70 briton (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
Well considering that no one can stop the referendum,

CFK is merely blowing hot air,
or something similar.
71 Steveu (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 12:09 am Report abuse
@Several posts

The reason that CFK is running shit scared regarding the referendum is that it shows that the Falklanders are a people in their own right rather than pawns in a game of bilateral chess between the UK and Argentina.

Once this fact is Globally recognised (and the UN already recognises it), it is game over for Argentina and their specious claim - e are probably all guilty of lending it too much credence in the first place. It is rather sad that nearly a thousand young men from both sides were cut down in their prime to get us where we are today.

The UK gave Argentina more than enough chances in the name of pragmatism - too late now!
72 An Argie (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:17 am
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73 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 06:03 am Report abuse
@72 Anne Argie

“Sussie” - you are so superficial.
Jan Cheek is a responsible ethical person.
You, on the other hand, are a slimey reptile, a thief, a degenerate and a pervert.
Jan Cheek is 10x the human being you are. More than you will ever be.

She is publicly fighting an enemy that is deceitful and hateful.
YOU, “Sussie” of a thousand faces, slink in the shadows like the coward you are - a rat feeding on others.
74 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 07:28 am Report abuse
What a rather apt description for these expats. Patriotic, mother land loving Argentines, without the balls enough (no pun intended) to live in their own country and no intention of doing so either. Spouting off to cover up their lack of courage to not actually admit they prefer to live elsewhere, enjoying the freedoms and benefits they know they will not get in the country they deserted.
75 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 08:30 am Report abuse
@59think/Col. Blink

“It's only a consultative local referendum anyway.”

You are certainly more direct in your slagging of the Referendum and Falklanders now.

Feeling the urgency of the situation, it seems.
76 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:28 am Report abuse
It would sound great on the floor of the UN would'nt it.

I think we can ignore the democratic opinion of the inhabitants of a country, because it is only a consultative local referendum.

Tell you what, why don't they do what Argentina has done, rip up the charter and make it up has they go along.

Square peg will always fit in a round hole, if you hit it long enough and hard enough.

This referenda has the potential to make a laughing stock out of the UN and it's so called democratic members.
77 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 10:34 am Report abuse
@76 It won't take till the Referendum to make a laughing stock out of you. You're there already.
78 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
Your opinion does not interest me, you pompous ingrate!
79 lsolde (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
now now, boys.
That was uncalled for, DoD.
I have always found rc to be level-headed & make a lot of sense.
When you, sr DoD took our resident snake, sr Think, to task about his lying re the Malabo Declaration, l thought that maybe l'd misjudged you.
But you've slipped back to your old level. hmmmmmn, pity.
80 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 12:23 pm Report abuse
I take that back, what I should have said was his opinion of me, does not interest me, not as much has much as his opinion on the referendum.
You right Isolde, should not have risen to to the bait.
81 brucey-babe (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 01:59 pm Report abuse
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9890078/Argentina-dispatch-the-troubled-reign-of-Queen-Cristina-of-Argentina.html
82 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
@79 Then you should be in the laughing stocks with him.
83 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
Thanks for the choice, beween you and her, no contest!
84 Musky (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
@55 marcio
The referendum proves that the islanders are not puppets, indepedent observers will confirm this. It counters the very rhetoric used by argentina and that is why this referendum is hsppening... in 2 weeks and a day!
85 ANTONIO J (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
www.telam.com.ar/notas/201302/8579-la-prensa-britanica-del-siglo-xviii-refleja-la-historiografia-y-los-d
86 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 11:32 pm Report abuse
@85
Hmm, an Argentine article. I notice this is no link to the actual documents, nor a list as to whether ALL documents and contents are recorded.

Before the Trolls tell me off, one of your own members was demanding actual pdf's of documents before conceding to them.
87 Hepatia (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 02:29 am Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/22/self-determination-and-world-examples-dominated-political-debate-hosted-by-falklands#comment220345: The position that the UN takes will not stop the UK returning Las Malvinas to Argentina.
88 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 03:36 am Report abuse
It will stop the UN from taking seriously Argentine claims that Falklands are a Colony with no Self Determination.
89 reality check (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 06:41 am Report abuse
@87
I would not bet on that. Return, what do mean return? Argentina only had the Islands in 82 by force of arms and that is now history.
90 Clyde15 (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:06 am Report abuse
#87
Do you ever read anybodies replies ? You keep writing the same garbage
The position that the UN takes will not stop the UK returning Las Malvinas to Argentina.
When asked why, you post “because”, with no other thought but wishful thinking.
91 Hepatia (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/22/self-determination-and-world-examples-dominated-political-debate-hosted-by-falklands#comment220745: The UK returning Las Malvinas to Argentina will be the evidence that it is, and has been, a colony.
92 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
@91 Come on then, answer me this from you perspective. Were the Islands an Argentinian Colony when the population were evicted in 1833?
93 Hepatia (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/22/self-determination-and-world-examples-dominated-political-debate-hosted-by-falklands#comment220844: I do not think it is relevant whether the “Islands an Argentinian Colony” or not in 1833 to the question of when Las Malvinas will be returned to Argentina in the future. That is, you are asking the wrong question.
94 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
@93 Hep

“ That is, you are asking the wrong question.”

Define the question, then.

Or drop it. Nobody is going to waste time with you, guessing your issues.
95 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
@93 A neat sidestep of a quite obvious question. It is obvious because the British Colony replaced, if it replaced anything, an Argentinian Colony. One is as bad as the other under the Decolonisation imperative. I suggest that is why the UN community says we should sort it out amongst ourselves. To have answered that it was a colony would of course cause you to undermine the argument that the UK occupation was a breach of territorial integrity when it was the usurpation of a colonial outpost.

I like a good argument so please do come back at me.
96 british servant (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
Isolde works in the Malvinas House.
97 agent999 (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 11:06 pm Report abuse
96 hi suusie
98 Hepatia (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 12:52 am Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/22/self-determination-and-world-examples-dominated-political-debate-hosted-by-falklands#comment220882: It depends on your view point.

For those British people who are determined to maintain the UK occupation of Las Malvinas the question is how this may be achieved.
99 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 12:53 am Report abuse
@95 Dover

“I like a good argument so please do come back at me.”

Ok, I stand corrected.
100 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 07:45 am Report abuse
@98 I agree with you.

There is no legal basis on which the dispute can be resolved to Argentina's complete satisfaction and no advantage for UK to seek a legal solution, being in full possession of the disputed territory already.

There is no security threat to the UK occupation, given modern surveillance systems, agency alert posture, reinforcement potential and the balance of capabilities between the two parties to the dispute. A permanent seat in the Security Council helps too.

That leaves the politics and economics of decolonisation and hydrocarbons. For the former, no real need to do anything but the options are regularly discussed and will be again if the Referendum yields a No vote (some chance!). For the latter, it would appear that the UK's resolve to maintain its possession is now underpinned by improved affordability with a growing Consolidated Fund managed from the City of London.

So, in answer to your question, two options:

1. Masterly inactivity.
2. Changing the narrative by decolonisation of the Islands, for example by integration into the UK.

@99 Steady on old chap. Don't encourage me.
101 dab14763 (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:10 am Report abuse
There is no desire for integration in the OTs. Something similar to what the Dutch did would be a much better approach. The C24 could hardly not remove the OTs from the list if the UK did something like the Dutch.
102 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 09:04 am Report abuse
@101 Do you have in mind the six Antillian islands that form part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands?
103 Hepatia (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/22/self-determination-and-world-examples-dominated-political-debate-hosted-by-falklands#comment221140: In that case Las Malvinas will be returned well before the 25 year time period.
104 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
@103 Will Sir be collecting them himself or does Sir wished them to be delivered?
105 Hepatia (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/22/self-determination-and-world-examples-dominated-political-debate-hosted-by-falklands#comment221215: The UK will be delivering them.
106 dab14763 (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
102 Dove

Aruba, Curaçao, and Sint Martin are constituent countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, but are not integrated into the Netherlands. Bonaire, Sint Eustatius, and Saba are integral parts of the Netherlands as special municipalities. I was referring to the 3 constituent countries.
107 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
@106 Impressive. To be constituent countries of the (United) Kingdom of the Netherlands while not being integrated into the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase Double Dutch.

@105 Very good Sir. Will Sir be paying cash (but not peso please) or seeking credit?
108 dab14763 (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
They're not integrated into the Netherlands. The Netherlands and the Kingdom of the Netherlands are two different entities. The Netherlands is one of the constituent countries, along with the 3 I mentioned. And it's not United Kingdom, just Kingdom. Compare also New Zealand and Realm of New Zealand which includes New Zealand, Cook Islands, Niue, Tokelau, and Ross Dependency though the constitutional arrangement of the Realm is not like that of the Kingdom. The Kingdom deals with only a limited number of common issues, unless the countries consent to them being dealt with at Kingdom level. In other areas the countries are independent of each other.
109 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
@108 Very clear. Your support for my proposal to integrate the Falkland Islands into the United Kingdom and negotiate devolved government as per Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is much appreciated.
110 dab14763 (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
Not quite. I think more of an Association of British Territories. The OTs would be part of that Association, not part of the UK.
111 Think (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
(109) Mr. McDod

I can see that you are again clinching to Mr. dab14763….

One of the few Brits in here offering, mostly, quite correct data…..

A pity that he can’t use that info to produce any valid, realistic or useful political analysis…..

Them Malvinas Isles are very much in the World Focus today, and your European post-colonial contortions, ploys and trickery will not work this time….

Get used to it.
112 Clyde15 (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
#111
Argentina will never get their hands - sorry THIEVING hands on the Falklands. Get used to it.
With best wishes !
113 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
@111 Sr Think. Masterly inactivity it is then. I just hope I'm around and sentient enough in 25 years time to find out if it worked or not. World Focus sounds like an NGO by the way.
114 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
@114 Actually, when you put it as clearly as that, it's evident that Masterly Inactivity does work.
115 Clyde15 (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
#116
The why are you bursting a gut to get your thieving hands on it ?
116 redpoll (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
@117 Steve Folgers is just another of Sussie multiple names
117 lsolde (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
Only the one penguin, Sussie, er l mean Steve.
What about the others.
l am not bored, are you?
Steve, you'd better tell your controllers to come up with something more original.
Or have they abandoned you to your own devices?
l couldn't call you a loose cannon, you're more like a loose thimble that has escaped from my sewing basket.
Still you are entertaining in a way.
118 row82 (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
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119 british boy (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 03:22 am
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120 Pete Bog (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 08:54 am Report abuse
@111
“your European post-colonial contortions, ploys and trickery will not work this time….”

Self determination is the determinant here-which will work :-)

Not long to go now.................
121 lsolde (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 09:04 am Report abuse
@119 What did you say, bitch?
122 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 09:46 am Report abuse
@120 Ah, the internationally recognised and observed opinion seeking Referendum. Can't wait. Then we can start the countdown to the LegAss elections. I'm really looking forward to reading the manifesto of the first candidate to object to oil revenue going into the Consolidated Fund as opposed to paying for tax cuts, rent cuts and benefit rises.
123 God.Is.An.Illusion (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 12:44 am Report abuse
With a little luck the Falkland Republic will be able to buy out both the UK and Argentina, and call them their colonies.
Wouldn't that be fanny?

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