Saturday, February 23rd 2013 - 06:26 UTC

Hague to discuss US position on Falklands’ referendum with Kerry

Foreign Secretary William Hague will discuss the United States' position on the Falkland Islands with Secretary of State John Kerry following reports that Washington will not recognise the result of next month's referendum.

Secretary of State John Kerry will be visiting London next week

The vote next March 10/11 is expected to underline the Islanders' determination to remain a British Overseas Territory in response to Argentina's claims over sovereignty.

Mr Kerry will make his first visit to the UK as Secretary of State next week and Foreign Office sources said the Falklands would be one of the issues raised by Mr Hague with his American counterpart.

The State Department said last month it recognised “de facto United Kingdom administration” of the Falkland Islands but “takes no position regarding sovereignty”.

When the public vote was announced last year, a State Department official said: “We will not speculate on a referendum that has not taken place. Our position remains one of neutrality.”

A Foreign Office spokeswoman said the UK Government is in “regular touch” with the US on the issue of the Falklands.

A spokeswoman said: “The US position has not changed. The US does not support Argentina's sovereignty claims. The US recognises the UK's administration of the Falkland Islands, but takes no position on sovereignty.

”We are, of course, in regular touch with the US on this issue, as on so many others. And we expect that dialogue to continue.

”Unlike Argentina, the UK has no desire to bring third parties into a bilateral issue. Our position on supporting self-determination for the Falkland islanders is underpinned by the United Nations Charter, which is binding on all UN members”, said the FCO spokesperson.

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1 Boovis (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 07:19 am Report abuse
The islands have been claimed by the UK longer than the US has had a lot of it's states, a lot of which were claimed by Spain or Spanish spesking peoples before. To not recognise The Falklands in the same light would be hipocritical.
2 Gordo1 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 07:36 am Report abuse
“The State Department said last month it recognised “de facto United Kingdom administration” of the Falkland Islands but “takes no position regarding sovereignty”. ”The US does not support Argentina's sovereignty claims.”

Surely, there is no comfort here for the malvinistas and their mistress, la Kretina!
3 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 07:37 am Report abuse
A spokeswoman said: “The US position has not changed. The US does not support Argentina's sovereignty claims. The US recognises the UK's administration of the Falkland Islands, but takes no position on sovereignty.

See, straight from the horses mouth, - The US does not support argentina in their claims.
4 reality check (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 08:35 am Report abuse
This is wrong, Mr Tinman says the world supports them!

Problem is, “The world,” does not realise this fact.
5 Boovis (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 08:51 am Report abuse
Yes, but the world consists of Middle Earth, Oz, Narnia...
6 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 08:58 am Report abuse
Elsewhere someone whose name I can't remember posted this ringing endorsement of the Argentinean claim:

The 54 member Countries of the African Union decided, in unison, to recognize “Argentina’s legitimate sovereignty rights over the Malvinas, Georgias & Sandwich del Sur Islands, including all the adjacent maritime territories”

The declaration to this effect, when it's published as opposed to interpreted by someone prone to exaggeration, will mark a watershed in the campaign to get a seat on the Security Council for the African Union and Brazil at the expense of GBR and FRA.

If it's a true interpretation that is.
7 rylang23 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:03 am Report abuse
5 out of 11 articles in this issue are about the Falklands/Malvinas. First thought is that a British publisher must have bought the MercoPress, but forgot to rename the outlet “The FalklandsPress”. T'wood be more appropriate.
8 reality check (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:09 am Report abuse
Take a look at the top bar, if you want other stories click on regions and select your choice, helpful?
9 Orbit (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:14 am Report abuse
Wonder how many of those African nations would accept Argentine sovereignty over their territories based on a spurious inaccurate justification from 180 years ago? Yes they'd all cry, we vote for corruption, grand scale mismanagement, international pariah status and being laughed at.
10 Boovis (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:30 am Report abuse
“The meeting was attended South Americans Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay and Africans Angola, Benin, Cape Verde, Cameroon, Congo, Ivory Coast, Gabon, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Equatorial Guinea, Liberia, Namibia, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Senegal, South Africa and Togo. ”
So, basically no commonwealth countries apart from one or two. Not the african union at all, it's a complete fabrication. Additionally, all they said was they support the the view that theres hould be no more militarisation, not that they support the sovereignty claiim. Argentina said they didn't like the increased military presence, the countries there obviously wouldn't have time to check facts, stated there and then if they agreed with this view and they agreed. Typical Argie Crap. “We just pulled this lie out of our pocket, we know you know nothing of this situation but want you to judge it purely on what we are saying right now and here, what say you?”. Ludicrous.
11 lsolde (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:39 am Report abuse
Sounds to me that the Argentines are getting desperate.
Who cares what they think anyway?
MMMMMMMMM, No trolls?
12 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:49 am Report abuse
@11 Not a one.
13 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:56 am Report abuse
11 Isolde

They don't like this internationally recognised and supervised referendum one but do they. The more they try to discount it the more they reveal how bothered they are by it.
14 Raven (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:00 am Report abuse

I hope there is strong motivation for a 100% turn out. The results then can't get any clearer.
15 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:02 am Report abuse
@11 Oops. Posted seven minutes too soon.
16 Anbar (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:23 am Report abuse
“”“To not recognise The Falklands in the same light would be hipocritical.”“”

expect the USA to be hypocritical then.

Diego Garcia anyone?


“”“The declaration to this effect, when it's published as opposed to interpreted by someone prone to exaggeration, will mark a watershed in the campaign to get a seat on the Security Council for the African Union and Brazil at the expense of GBR and FRA. ”“””

do they have nukes now? No?

ah.. slight problem then.
17 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:48 am Report abuse
As well as being the Falkland Islanders ancestral home the islands have a very nice strategic position so that the worlds policemen can keep an eye on the local situation. In addition US $ are being invested in oil and gas exploration. Lots of untapped potential in these regions. Whatever a bunch of small remote nations with an ex colonial chip on the shoulder are saying the USA and Britain stand for world peace, the rule of law and human rights even if they are sometimes forced to make small compromises to ensure that for the vast majority of peoples security is assured (guantanamo etc...). It's a great shame that so many nations fail to see that. Whatever the loonies, petty dictators and propaganda fed populations of SA say, and whatever ex colonial chip on the shoulder syncophants say, the Falkland Islanders and no-one else will decide their destiny.
One thing for sure is they do not want to end up as cartoneras living in villa miserias on $7 a day under the boot of strutting colonialists
18 Frank (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:00 am Report abuse
The usual scenario...
the bloke from Benin.'can we go home now.... my dinner will be getting cold'
muttering from down the back... ' yes lets go home'
Titman 'nobody is going home until they sign these minutes I brought with me...'
the geezer from Guinea ' but its in spanish... whats it say?
Titman ' never mind what it says... just sign it'
'Can we go home then?'
'oh OK'......

s o s
19 Redrow (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:06 am Report abuse
How would the UN Security Council work if three of the permanent seats were held by supranational groupings instead of sovereign nations? If a disaster occurs then ~15 countries are quickly consulted and action taken. If two of the representatives were to say hang on just give us a couple of weeks while we get agreement from all the countries in Africa and South America then what exactly would be the point of a security council. There are currently 4 countries from Africa and Central & South America on as non-permanent members so they aren't exactly being ignored. I hope this isn't just envy but without a willingness to do heavy lifting, lose troops and spend money on behalf of other countries.
20 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:12 am Report abuse
Strange how Kirchner is grouped with a group of corrupt African leaders like in this article

Nice title CORRUPTION ALLSTARS-I guess that's Crissy for ya
21 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:20 am Report abuse
@19 It is envy. It's the envy that comes from seeing two former, now diminished, practitioners of European imperial and colonial based power permanently siting at the heart of the UN and carrying veto powers.
22 DanyBerger (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
Oh! Poor desperate Britons they have to ask Uncle Sam puppeteer master what to do...

Can someone tell Hagues that the role of US as a world power have declined considerable to the extent that Obama had to put his head down to China to get $$$ loans to keep US a float?

Oh! dio these people is still living 50 years backward we are in 2013 have any Briton noted that?

Lets assume that US say yes we can and support UK and better off they sign paper saying that the Islands belong to UK.

What the hell is gonna change that?

Absolutely nothing Argentina will never drop the claim, she can invade the Islands whenever she wants, etc.

And can be even worse for Uncle Sam and idiots because Argentina can drag into the conflict Russia and China.

Like the Egyptian have done in the case of the Suez Canal where Britons with their tail in between legs like a scared dog have to go back to little Britain like poor losers.

So time to start to press US companies in Argentina to send a clear message to US how will be life with Argentina if they chose the wrong side.
23 thorpeman (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
If America thinks its right to be Neutral over the Falklands I'd remind America who owns Diego Garcia & Ascension Island & as we are a neutral country when it comes to dealing with America we would appreciate it if they would vacate asap & as both Island are used as parts of their GPS network of Land Bases they may see things in a different light if their generals give Obama & Kerry a solid nudge
24 Orbit (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
Are you saying life for foreign investors in Argentina could get worse? Blimey.
25 Room101 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:54 am Report abuse
The UK recognises, in return, the administration of the United States, but not its right to soveriegntythrough the Declaration of Independence.
Mealy mouthed cowardice
26 reality check (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:58 am Report abuse
Drag the US into conflict with China and Russia, invaded the Falklands when ever it likes. LMFAO.
27 Boovis (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
We got boats in return for bases in WW2, I'm pretty sure we've paid the US back for those ships, they can bugger off home now. Thanks, see ya!
28 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
DEAR Argentine Trolls

What America says and America does are two different things.
29 Steveu (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:15 pm Report abuse
I posted this on another thread regarding the forthcoming lease renewal on Diego Garcia

This from Wikipedia ( )

”On 30 December 1966, the US and the UK executed an agreement through an Exchange of Notes which permit the US to use the BIOT for defense purposes for 50 years (through December 2016), followed by a 20-year optional extension (to 2036) to which both parties must agree by December 2014.[19] No monetary payment was made from the US to the UK as part of this agreement or any subsequent amendment. Rather, the United Kingdom received a US$14 million discount from the US on the acquisition of submarine-launched ballistic missile system Polaris missiles per a now-declassified addendum to the 1966 agreement.“

So it looks like the 20 year extension has to be decided by 2014

The Wikipedia article makes some chilling reading - in particular:

”Diego Garcia is rumoured to have been one of the locations of the CIA's black sites. Several groups claim that the military base on Diego Garcia has been used by the US government for transport of prisoners involved in the controversial extraordinary rendition program, an allegation formally reported to the Council of Europe in June 2007. On February 21, 2008, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband admitted that two US extraordinary rendition flights refuelled on Diego Garcia in 2002. No reference was made to whether prisoners were on board the aircraft at the time.”

and (from cited from WikiLeaks in the same article):

“Additionally, Diego Garcia was used as a storage section for US cluster bombs as a detour from UK parliamentary oversight”

Seems the US are taking the piss at our expense!
30 Anglotino (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
“And can be even worse for Uncle Sam and idiots because Argentina can drag into the conflict Russia and China.”

The delusions of grandeur that is indoctrinated into Argentine school children is breathtaking.

One after the other, successive Argentine governments have made their country unimportant while at the same time they propagate the delusion of the opposite.



31 Santa Fe (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:24 pm Report abuse
Yep lets take our ball and go in for tea leaving US without a base in the Indian Ocean....but iam sure we will roll over like the lap dogs we are. would be nice to stand up to the yanks but they hold all the cards. They more than anyone wanted Britain to lose its power post ww2, pax America can then rule the world, during 1939-40 (before the Hollywood or US ass saving begun) the us sent a warship to South Africa to strip our last remaining gold reserves for payment for supplies. They made a profit out of the war.
32 Steveu (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
@30 thank God we have an Air Sea Rescue helicopter (as part of our S Atlantic “militarisation”) to be on hand when ARA Rustbuquette and her sister ships get into difficulties during the “invasion” (or “turkey shoot” as would be more likely)

I still expect the silly bastards to try and pull some stupid token stunt around the time of the Referendum which will leave them with more egg on their faces.
33 Redrow (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
@21 DoD

And you as a former UK serviceman (cough cough) must have been part of those peace-keeping ventures. Therefore you will know very well that there is a heavy price to having a seat at the top table. Is it your considered view that Mr Mugabe etc will be happy to commit Zanu PF supporting soldiers to die in the next Bosnia. Or how will the Argentine navy be able to help evacuate survivors from the next civil emergency in Africa. If one day Brazil or South Africa for example became major world powers with significant defence capacities and global reach, and Britain or France went entirely in the opposite direction then there would be a reasonable argument for a switch. But even then it would be Brazil or S.Africa that would be the effective powers, not a loose alliance of South American or African States. I take the same view of the proposal for an EU seat - I don't understand how it could usefully work in practice. At least you accept that it is just envy. There's a lot of it about.
34 Santa Fe (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
Duny 22... Are you on myths

Your suez comparison was superb, don't think the uk ran away like a scared dog, have a look at the history books, it all went really well, but the dog reference is valid in the way the the US ordered us to pull out, so we did become a lap dog from that day on.
am sure the US are very scared of not being able to be part of the economic marvel that is the Argentine economy.

AA plus , jajajaja George Galloway, china, Russia , oil , princess kate, morissey, Sean penn jajajaj
35 Dr. Jeorbbels (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 01:27 pm Report abuse
29 obama is taking the piss. He has his own personal axe to grind regarding Brits. DCameron should say no to next US war and remind Oama of US history Texas Arizona Utah and California
36 reality check (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
2014. That's it, end of.
37 Conqueror (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
@1 Could it be time to remind the USA that its most important colonies started in 1607 (Virginia Colony), 1620 (Pilgrims' Plymouth Colony), so why wouldn't they recognise British rights, dating from 1690, to the Falkland Islands? The US of the 1830s and 1840s was involved in the removal of Amerindians and taking the French and Spanish territories of Louisana, Texas and California.
@7 What's it to you?
@16 Diego Garcia no-one. If you were to research the FACTS all it would show you is that the Chagos Archipelago had NO indigenous people. No fresh water, you see. But then the people on the Archipelago were the responsibility of a Mauritian company. Britain bought the islands but the Mauritian company didn't take its employees away. Probably couldn't be bothered as the history of those “employees” is that they were originally African slaves imported by the French. But the British government did give the Mauritian “government” money to re-settle them. I wonder if the fact that the majority of the Mauritian population is Indian in origin had anything to do with the result? The Mauritian “government” pocketed the money and did nothing.
@22 But then we can always “drop” argieland. Or should that be have “something” “dropped on” argieland?
@31 Why? Let's take OUR islands back. The yanks can have a few years to pack up, under British supervision, and leave. The Falkland Islands have shown us how we can develop and defend our territories. Let's rebuild the Royal Navy. Cut the “foreign aid” budget to zero. Cut the welfare benefits budget by 60%. Leave the EU. Deport all immigrants. Make all possible BOTs into military bases!
38 Steveu (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
Coming back to DG, I don't see why we don't just sell it to the Yanks at a market price.

That way we don't have to defend things like extraordinary rendition (I though D Miliband's parliamentary answer was weasely to say the least) and banned ordnance such as cluster bombs

They have de facto control so they might as well buy it off us. I feel a letter to my MP cc,'ed to Hague coming on
39 Baxter (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
The British will have to recognize that the “ special ” relationship with the USA in dead . The UK government know this but the people are not aware . Obama intensely dislikes the British because they treated his grandfather badly in the Kenyan emergency of the 50 ' . He showed his feelings by avoiding a meeting with Gordon Brown in the UN shortly after becoming President . In Afghanistan he said that the true allies were the Germans ! The British have 9000 soldiers there fighting -- 470 dead so far - while the Germans have a few hundred , of doubtful efficiency , in Kabul looking after schools ! So the UK need not expect any support from them on the Falklands . Oh , yes he did invite Cameron to the States and took him to a basketball game . But he only did that because somebody pointed out that of the 300 million Americans more than half consider themselves of British stock .
As Churchill said the Americans are great allies if you do exactly what they say ! Think differently and it is goodbye to friendship.
40 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
Hague is so insecure, not even their master support their non-sense lies.

Interesting comment
”The reason the U.S. does not support the U.K. on this issue, notwithstanding their otherwise incestuous relationship, is simply because under international law there are territorial limitations to the right of self-determination for transplanted populations living in colonial enclaves where a pre-colonial claim of sovereignty exists. This is the case with the Falklands. As a coloniser, the U.K. cannot legally disrupt the territorial integrity of another State by implanting its own population unto the territory it is colonising.

In cases such as these, the inhabitants of the colonised territory have a right to have their ‘interests’ considered but they have no right to unilaterally determine the nationality of the land they live in.

By the way, conducting a referendum of the colonising population the U.K. has implanted in the Falklands, is simply an attempt to obfuscate the issue by the U.K. The U.K. tried the same ploy in Gibraltar in the late 1960s. However, the referendum it sanctioned then was declared invalid by the UN when it adopted Resolution 2353, which observed that the referendum was contrary to the various resolutions which had been adopted previously by the UN General Assembly requiring the UK to decolonise Gibraltar”
41 yankeeboy (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
All of these ridiculous Rgs think they know how the USA thinks, acts and works.
We will always side with the UK, always! No matter what Prez we have there is huge support in Senate, Congress, Business and population to get him to act on the UK's behalf.
Argentina is a non-entity, they can't get a meeting with Prez or State now, we are driving them out of all Int'l orgs and Never never never have been aligned with them. They are backstabbing weasels run by a bi-polar nutjob.
So where they're coming up with this BS is beyond me.
42 Shed-time (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
Didn't need them to support us during the Falklands war (they were actively supporting Argentina in the UN)... don't need them to support us now.

It changes naught.
43 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
@Marcos Alejandro says “Hague is so insecure, not even their master support their non-sense lies”

Now, can you remind us all why your Jewish Islamist ass kissing excuse of a minister Hector Timaman keeps going around the world from country to country BEGGING governmants to support your lost cause,now does that not sound like an insecure idiot?????

Now with regards to your comment “U.K. tried the same ploy in Gibraltar in the late 1960s” Can i ask you to tell us all with regards to Gibraltar which country in the year 2013 still as soverignty??

Your fighting a lost cause or to put it differently FLOGGING A DEAD HORSE
44 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
Argentina just lost again - Italy 9 Wales 26. :o))) . You may have Rome, the Pope, Pompiei, the Coloseum and those nice beaches, but when I comes to the crunch once again you Latinos can't cut the mustard. We must admit Barcelona is great for a weekend and we do like anice pizza or paella, but your countries are all economic and political basket cases , corrupt, clueless and very unattractive.
Why don't you go home and leave that part of South America you invaded and give what's left back to the poor remnants of the Indians you murdered. Spain and Italy need you...
45 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
@Marcos Alejandro When do you think it will be safe for you to return home??? You Piece Of Shit
46 Steveu (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
@42 There was a clear rift in the Falklands War. One camp was looking at its position in S America whilst the others- notably the Defense Dept - was actively aiding us. Apart from graciously allowing us use of our own island, they also supplied Sidewinder AAMs and also aviation fuel (at no cost) but a lot of this was covert assistance. Reagan famously begged Maggie not to humiliate the RGs and make them surrender. Fortunately, she told him where to go. The US had expected the Task Force to fail. Unfortunately for them it didn't.

By the way, a neat side step regarding DG would be to transfer sovereignty to Mauritius. Looking at some articles, we might be on that road. The 2014 timing might be opportune. Mauritius has made it clear that the US would be welcome to stay. Hopefully they would honour any commitments to the Chagos Islanders as we paid Mauritius to resettle them and they basically pocketed the money and did nowt.

@40 This is rubbish. Whatever spats we might have with the US they are a family quarrel- there is not a shred of comfort for Argentina. They take no position on sovereignty (ie they do not accept Argentina's claim) and as they do accept FIG, as the de facto administration, the referendum should be seen as their own business. Countries who appear not to support self determination usually have an issue in their own backyard such as China with Tibet. The US possibly has a similar issue in territories such as Guam
47 redpoll (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 05:14 pm Report abuse
Anyone want to take any Betts as to who marcos alejandro is?
48 yankeeboy (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
47. I Think we all know..
49 redpoll (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
Yank Yep I was a bit slow on the uptake till I realised his English was a bit Better than the usual Rg troll!
50 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
Marcos Alejandro He's a first class W....r living in comfort in our country to affraid to grace the shores of Argentina which is fully understandable but why didn't his parents flee to Spain??? perhaps the bennefits were not as good.
51 yankeeboy (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
My bet is he hasn't been to Argentina since the 70s when he and his family were politely asked to leave.
Red, I have been saying it for a long time. It is too obvious the way he writes, he uses the Marcos nick to be a bit nastier than the Doover or Think nick. So he can keep Think above the fray I guess.

I am pretty sure he is mentally unstable.
52 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
Roumor as it his mother was one of Argentinas best hookers.
53 Gustbury (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
Helloooooooooooo!!?? You know what !??
54 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse

If the referendum is of no consequence why are you deadbeats and your pathetic leaders making such a deal about it? Just relax, sit back and watch it flop. Then come out and tell us you told us so.
55 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
Helloooooooooooo!!?? You know what !??: You need to take it to the international court of justice. But.... You don't dare do you, you know you will lose. The only thing that counts is the 2,841 votes of the Islanders not the 50 or so signatures on a worthless piece of paper.

Who wants to be part of the Argentinean basket case? 33 revolutions a minute, wall to wall dictators and nutcases, crumbling economies, cartoneros everywhere, corruption, Mafia, sinking currency $7 a day.....

No thank you!
56 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 06:41 pm Report abuse

Quite a lot of the Malvinista deadbeats on here don't want to be part of it. That's for sure.

Chuckle chuckle.
57 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
@53 Gustbury Funny Crisst Kirchner appears with some of those African leaders in another article TAKE A LOOK


Something to be proud of I guess
58 Brit Bob (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
It matters more what the UN thinks and Ban Ki-Moon put two Argie myths to bed - the right to self determination and the UK and UN resolutions.

On 12th November 2012 when speaking to a reporter from the Argentine newspaper Tiempo Argentino about the forthcoming Falklands referendum Ban Ki-Moon said, 'I don't think Security Members are violating RELEVANT UN resolutions' and 'The impression is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities so that they can decide on their future.'

There you go - everything rests on the referendum. I wonder how the Falkland Islanders will vote?
59 Terence Hill (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
40 Marcos Alejandro

“under international law there are territorial limitations to the right of self-determination for transplanted populations living in colonial enclaves where a pre-colonial claim of sovereignty exists.”

Thats not what I'm reading, perhaps you can give us an authoritative source for your interpretation, or perhaps it's just your own unauthoritative personal point of view.

Akehursts Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk

The generally accepted view is that the validity of an acquisition of territory depends on the law in force at the moment of the alleged acquisition; this solution is really nothing more than an example of the general principle that laws should not he applied retroaclively.

It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'.
60 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
@58 Brit Bob, For some reason these Argentine Trolls never want to comment on what really is the truth and whats said (ie Banki Moon) after all Not one of them are defending there beloved Argentina from within its shores,they are all in other countrys after there parents have fled for what ever reason probably persecution.
61 briton (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
1, America has its own territorial problems,
Let this go, and hers will certainly follow.

2, nothing of interest in the UK papers,
So its not a big thing here,

3, we will talk when he arrives in Britain.
4, Argentina should not get its hopes up,

5, the only time this would be of interest, to any of the 3 parties,
Is when war arrives, now if CFK is very confidant that the mighty USA would back her up militarity,
6, if not shhhhhhhhhhhh, or you will just look stupid, AGAIN ..
7, they are british, and will remain british,
but if Argentina remains Argentina or not, this remains to be seen ..
62 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
Kirchner needs to get a grip of Argentine internal problems,leaders like this should not be allowed to constantly create trouble- Peronism=Nazism
63 briton (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
But like all wanabe dictators,
They all hang themselves in the end.
64 lsolde (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
@40 Marcos,
What a load of rubbish & lies you write, Marcos.
You lot are “implanted”immigrants in a land that you stole from the native peoples(after you'd murdered them!)
You upset their “territorial integrity”, you fool.
@53 Gustbury,
Hallooooooooooooo , to you too!
Are you an idiot, Gusters old chap? You certainly sound like one.
And you will NEVER get OUR land. Suck it up, baby.
65 Shed-time (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
It is fun watching countries that rely on a power structure (Argentina, Venezuala, many African Countries) trying to manipulate countries that rely on a legal structure (UK, USA, etc).

Kind of makes you realise most of the world doesn't care for the law.
66 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
64 lsolde

Querida Señora
A false referendum orchestrated by Mother England will not make any difference in the world public opinion, the squatters are squatters, no matter how you want to call it.
67 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
@Marcos Alejandro

So why don't you and your miserable family stop squatting in the United Kingdom and go back to Argentina?? I have asked you on many occasions what you mean when you said to a BRITISH NEWSPAPER I will return to Argentina when it is safe to do so and the time is right PLEASE EXPLAIN.
68 reality check (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
Bloody hell, he swallowed Titmans bullshit! Living proof there's one born every minute.

World public opinion, that's a good one!
69 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
Britain's credit rating downgraded.
Reports that Washington will not recognise the result of next month’s referendum.
The 54 member Countries of the African Union decided to support Argentina's rights over Malvinas.
What a great weekend!
70 reality check (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:18 pm Report abuse
Still 15 places above the old country.

Same position as 82.

Can not read as usual.

Going to be cold for the rest of the week, better turn up your central heating,
like the rest of us in the UK.
71 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
@Marcos Alejandro, After living in The UK for all these years you would think that your earlier brainwashing from when you were a child in Argentina the country you fear is not safe enough to return to amazes me,now if you read the document which is no different than doccuments peddled at similar meetings in South America it clearly states

..“From the Foreign Ministry was interpreted that ”the document is a diplomatic victory for our country,”

Once again Argentina interprates any document that suggest that Argentina and Great Britain talk as some kind of sanction of Argentine soverignty-can you please tell us where these 54 countrys state Argentine soverignty????

Would it also be acceptable that you answer questions of why you feel it safe to stay in The United Kingdom but refuse to return to your homeland-WHATS KEEPING YOU.
72 screenname (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
66 Marcos Alejandro: '...the squatters are squatters, no matter how you want to call it.'

I call it Argentina.
73 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
Nice Bunch Of People


Cristina Kirchner / Official
•Even before she was elected president of Argentina, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner carried the haze of corruption. In the most famous case, an emissary from Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, was discovered at the Buenos Aires airport carrying a briefcase stuffed with $800,000 in cash, destined, he later told the FBI, to support Kirchner’s presidential bid. Kirchner denied the allegation. Within Argentina, many question the huge fortune Kirchner and her late husband Nestor amassed since taking public office. Her declared personal wealth stands at $13.8 million, up from $500,000 when the couple first entered national politics. Kirchner cites income from real estate and hotels the couple had purchased to explain the 2,600 percent return on the couple’s investment purse. Corruption watchers complain that her government has neutered government oversight, giving auditing posts to cronies compromised by conflicts of interest. The result: corruption cases take an average of 14 years to work through the system, according to the non-profit Center for the Study and Prevention of Economic Crimes, and only 15 in 750 cases have led to convictions.


Teodoro Obiang / Pablo Manriquez
•Teodoro Obiang, president of Equatorial Guinea, has a genius for insuring that none of his country’s vast oil wealth goes to help its impoverished people, over 60 percent of whom live on less than $1 a day. His son, Teodorin, is building a mammoth $380 million luxury yacht, whose cost is three times more than the country spends on health care and education combined. This, in addition to a fleet of luxury cars and a $35 million estate in Malibu. Asked once how he managed to spend so outrageously on a government salary, the despot’s son and presumed successor said in a sworn affidavit that in Equatorial Guinea, government ministers can partner with companies that win government contracts. As a result, he wrot
74 reality check (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
What next I wonder? Representatives of the United Federation of Planets, beaming down for a conference in BA, followed by a decleration of support for Argentina's sovereignty claim.

Must be them, they have tried every one else!

Not long now, love to watch the squirming.
75 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
Can you immagine Hector THE RAT Timerman thanking the people of Equatorial Guinea for there support LOL The inpoverished people have no idea where the next meals coming from never mind where The Falkland Islands are located.


76 reality check (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:07 pm Report abuse

Victim Support UK.
77 Shed-time (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:31 pm Report abuse
Any other despotic nations lining up to support the Argentines?
78 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
Two more of Kirchners new friends


Robert Mugabe / Mangwanani
•Thanks to Robert Mugabe, among the longest-standing leaders in Africa, Zimbabwe is ranked as one of the most corrupt countries by Transparency International. Citing the country’s unbridled corruption, the United States and the European Union have imposed sanctions against economic trade with the country, and barred Mugabe and his top officials from coming to Europe and the U.S. That, however, has not stopped Mugabe from spending his own country’s minimal resources for himself and his cronies: Mugabe is on track to spend nearly $50 million on foreign travel this year. He has a fancy house in the richest district of Hong Kong. His heavy-handed tactics have only brought violence and poverty to a country that was once seen as the breadbasket of Africa.


Goodluck Jonathan / Official Photo
•Goodluck Jonathan took over one of the world’s most corrupt countries in May 2010 on the death of its president, and was re-elected last April. Nigeria is Africa’s most populous country — with appalling living conditions. Education, health and health care are poor. Only about half the population has access to clean water and life expectancy averages 47 years. Polio is still a problem, even though it has been eradicated everywhere else in Africa, along with cholera, malaria and HIV/AIDS. In 2006, anti-corruption officials investigated Mr. Jonathan’s wife, Patience, over allegations she tried to launder $13.5 million. She has never been convicted of any wrongdoing, however. Oil-rich Nigeria is home to networks of organized crime and has suffered from drug trafficking and piracy.
79 Anglotino (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 12:37 am Report abuse
Can someone please show me all this support that is coming out of Africa at the moment?

Nothing in any press release as yet!
80 Steveu (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 12:39 am Report abuse
This article is interesting given my earlier posts :
81 andy65 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 01:04 am Report abuse
@Anglotino Its just the usual basic bull shit where Timerman or Kirchner go to one of these regional meetings bombard and lie about the Islands history to other countrys which usually ends up with some kind of statement asking both sides to talk then we get the usual Argentine shit saying that these countrys are actually saying The Islands should have Argentine soverignty.

You could not make it up but unfortunately Argentina does.
82 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 01:25 am Report abuse
@6Dod/Dove/Dame Dover/Col. Blink/ Think

“Elsewhere someone whose name I can't remember posted this ringing endorsement of the Argentinean claim:

Anyone else think its an amazing coincidence - just when the CFK government needed a “non-partisan” endorsement of their campaign to acquire the Falklands, this multinational meeting is held, doing just that.

Additionally - wouldn't it look suspect (from UK/FI perspective) for a Troll like Think, to suddenly pop up with a conference that supports the Trolls and Argentina's claims.

If it were not for a “Brit ” and an “ex-RN Serviceman” finding this independent, anonymous, post somewhere other than Mercopress, it might be scarcely believed.

@6 DoD
“”Elsewhere someone whose name I can't remember posted this ringing endorsement of the Argentinean claim:”

The world is full of coincidences.
83 An Argie (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:10 am Report abuse
@11 Isolde
argie trolls?
Think is your british (sueca) girlfriend. she is a SHE and loves you
Marcos Alejandro is british
Danny Berger is british
Pro-Arg. is british
SussieUS is northamerican
TTT is not british
Simon68Zhivago is a jewish canadian
argies don't give a shit about the USA “comments”
a war might be the solution to stop the diplomatic relations with the bloody rubbish people from the UK .
84 Anglotino (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:41 am Report abuse
Ignoring Sussie @83

@ 82 Troy it is interesting that Think posts a link that is not backed up by any other source. There's nothing anywhere on the Internet.

And it didn't take long for him to agree and propagate it using his DuD login. And then Marcos started repeating it.

If and when any such declaration is actually made, I'm pretty sure it'll call for everyone to negotiate according to UN resolutions.

You know, the resolutions that are subordinate to Chapter 1, Article 1, Part 2!
85 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 03:25 am Report abuse
@84 Anglotino

Also, ignoring sussie@83

The repartee between the trolls is laughably less than convincing :-D

There was another thread where Raul, Think and “Dame Dover” commented on the Africa conference.
“Dover” makes a point of mentioning that the Conference was reported by “several Argentine news sources” and the stories reported and interpreted exactly the same way. As though to add credibility.

(and you say there were NOT several stories?? :-D)

“Think” rebukes “Dover” harshly, as if to add more believability to the Africa farce.

I noticed Marcos and Raul onboard - these guys all must read from the same Playbook.

Another Pantomime !
86 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 03:28 am Report abuse
@83 An Argie (#)
Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:10 am

Argentina doesn't need a war. War is the last thing Argentina needs. If Argentina wishes to break off diplomatic relations with the UK or any other country she just has to make a statement to that effect, close down it's embassy and go home.

I do think however that Argentina is actively trying to provoke the UK into breaking off diplomatic relations with Argentina but to do that you would really need to p!ss the UK off. so far though your government policy is at worst an annoyance and at best some of the finest comedy every to come out of South America.

It is your call, the ball is in your court. Malvinistas talk a lot of talk about wanting nothing to do with the UK so lobby your government to break off diplomatic relations. They are probably stupid enough to actually do it.
87 lsolde (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 07:07 am Report abuse
@83 A Nargie,
So Think is a woman? Thought so.
And most of the others are British, you say.
That must make me a nargy like you.
Actually you might be right.
Dad nearly bought a huuuuuge(nargy enough for you?)estancia in Sta Cruz province.
lf he had of done then l might have been born in Nargyland.
Glad he didn't.
lndonesia is better than Argentina anyway.
88 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 07:40 am Report abuse
Where is it then?

Logged on here this morning fully expecting to read an article on this historic decleration, from 54 African countries supporting Argentines claim to the South Atlantic region.

So where is it?

what still a bit early yet? well it's nearly a full 24 hours since the trolls started posting their news of this historic diplomatic victory, so where is it?

I can not wait to read what it actually says and not what these revisionists believe it says.

I am betting it is actually yet another call for peaceful dialogue, twisted to mean Argentine support. Predictably pathetic, Argentine propoganga, yet again.

14 days to go.
89 Shed-time (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 08:00 am Report abuse
any more despotic nations signed up to the Argentinian, North korean and Iranian causes yet?
90 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 08:09 am Report abuse
Just read a piece on Malabo conference.

A call to reform the Security Council.

A call to reform the world bank.

Condemnation of a non existing NATO invasion of Libya.

Bloody hell, the place is a comedy club.
91 Redrow (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 08:18 am Report abuse
The problem with peaceful dialogue is that it would require Argentina to a) actually show up & sit in the chair, b) put their case, c) not strop off, d) play their hand as best they could without overplaying it, e) still not strop off, f) agree terms and then g) accept and abide by the outcome in perpetuity. I'm sure there is a photograph somewhere that shows that when offered talks, Argentina failed at the first hurdle, plus there is plenty of historic precedent for them regularly failing points c to g above. Were the conference to call for talks that specifically exclude the FIs then I guess that Argentina could claim a partial victory (though that would be an interesting development for self-determination anywhere if it did). However, yet another simple call for talks just a month after Argentina turned them down would in effect be a step backwards for Argentina.
92 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 08:59 am Report abuse
@85 Oh no it isn't.
93 Think (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:03 am Report abuse

Malabo Declaration (2013)

We, Heads of State and Government of Africa and South America, meeting at our Third Africa-South America Summit (ASA) in Malabo, Equatorial Guinea from 20-22 February 2013;……………..

26. We recognize the legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas Islands, South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands, and the surrounding maritime areas, and urge the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume negotiations with the Argentine Republic in order to find, as soon as possible, a fair, peaceful and definitive solution to the dispute, in accordance with the relevant resolutions of the United Nations and other regional and international organizations.

Point 28 makes good reading too…..:
”28. We reaffirm that the Chagos Archipelago, including Diego Garcia, which was unlawfully excised by the former colonial power……..”

As does point 29….:
”29. We reaffirm that the Comorian Island of Mayotte, which was unlawfully excised by the former French colonial power…….”

Chuckle chuckle............
94 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:12 am Report abuse
In accordance with blah, blah, blah.

Lip service.


Chuckle, chuckle.
95 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:47 am Report abuse

What they said:

“We recognize the legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas Islands, South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands, and the surrounding maritime areas.”

and what Think posted:

“The 54 member Countries of the African Union decided, in unison, to recognize “Argentina’s legitimate sovereignty rights over the Malvinas, Georgias & Sandwich del Sur Islands, including all the adjacent maritime territories””

Are not the same thing.
96 trenchtoast (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:56 am Report abuse
Clearly recognizing Argentina’s “legitimate rights” in a sovereignty dispute does not equal recognizing Argentina’s sovereignty over the Falklands. Also its pretty much a cut and paste job from the 2009 declaration apart from shoehorning that first bit in.
97 Redrow (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 10:19 am Report abuse
Someone on here yesterday (was it you?), promised us that it would say that all of those countries recognised Argentine sovereignty. Recognising legitimate rights in a dispute does not mean the same thing at all. In every civil case that actually reaches the courtroom, both sides have legitimate rights at the outset. However, only one one side will prevail in the dispute. I actually agree with declaration - Argentina DOES have the legitimate right to take their sovereignty dispute to the ICJ, just as any country does. So either put up or shut up.

And as RC alludes to above “in accordance with the relevant UN resolutions” is the other qualification that emptied this of any significance. Since the UK is not in breach of any resolutions according to the UNSG then we can safely ignore this one. All this tail-chasing is growing more and more bizarre. Do you not feel that you are wasting your life while the islanders continue to grow and develop theirs regardless?
98 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 10:24 am Report abuse
Just read the link.

I particularly noted the part about deep rooted historical and cultural ties between South America and Africa.

What deep rooted and cultural ties does an African have with a Bolivian, Argentinian, Chilian, Brazilian or any of the others. Please someone enlighten me?

If these ties exist, why did they wait until 2006 to celebrate them?

Biggest load of shit I have ever read.

Historical and cultural ties, is that why outside of Brazil, there are hundreds of thousands of Black South Americans, that no one has ever seen.

They have more in common with Europe and North America, but you will never get these theiving despots, with their huge Swiss Bank Accounts, to admit it. Maybe that's what they have in common with some of them, Swiss Bank Accounts!!!!!!!
99 Redrow (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 10:36 am Report abuse
Exactly RC, the leaders of these countries do have plenty in common. They sail their gold yachts from the same marinas, ski in the same resorts and gamble in the same casinos and spend more time modifying their nations' constitutions than improving the lot of their citizens.
100 trenchtoast (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 10:46 am Report abuse
Do you notice in the 2009 declaration with regards to the Chagos Archipelago and the Comorian Island of Mayotte they simply called for negotiations. In fact the text for these two is virtually identical to the text for the Falklands. In the 2013 Declaration the tone has changed completely and they clearly side against the UK and France. They have not chosen to use similarly harsh language in relation to the Falklands.
101 andy65 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 10:48 am Report abuse
Led by Argentina when will the overseas aid start flowing into Africa????
102 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 10:52 am Report abuse
101 andy65

Africa? Is that what name CFK goes by now?
103 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 10:53 am Report abuse
@101 About the same time their troops to combat the existential threats to countries like Sierra Leone and Mali start flowing into Africa.
104 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 10:58 am Report abuse
There is an advert on UK television for Oxfam. It shows a house wife who donates monthly to the charity travelling to Zimbabwe to publicise the charity. It shows her visiting with a mother of twins, who struggles to feed them and drinks water from a pond I would not flush my toilet with.

That fat overfed bastard Mugabe, with his personal fortune and his prestigious Hong Kong properties, flies to this conference to address the closing ceremony.

Fucking hilarious, a politician of truly international standard an example to the whole world of how to take one of the richest countries in Africa and destroy it in a single generation.

No doubt the Malvanistas will say it is not is fault and the fault of the British Imperialists. That explain his personal wealth does it?
105 andy65 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 11:01 am Report abuse
Argentina behaves like a modern day prostitute, Timerman the wandering Jew trauling the globe begging for attention and support.

106 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 11:10 am Report abuse
They reached a new low, if that's possible? Looking for it from some of these people!

Like I keep saying, just more evidence, if any more was needed, why they will never gain sovereignty over the islands.
107 andy65 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 11:28 am Report abuse
Desperate acts from a desperate nation
108 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 11:39 am Report abuse
Possibly Kerry wants to dicuss this: An Argentine rocket, can you imagine it? A clear and present danger to everywhere including Buenos Aires! Held together with duct tape, guidance system based on a ZX Spectrum fueled by a sweet mixture of Botox woman's darts...

We should be very afaid! :o))))
109 lsolde (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 11:43 am Report abuse
@93 Think,
How many of your new friends are democratic free nations, Think?
We really don't care who you rustle up to support your ridiculous “claims”.
You will NEVER get OUR land, so you may as well just get used to it.
lf you can't/won't get used to it then Toughski Shitski for you.
Also, Think, posters#s 95 & 96 are correct.
Argentina has a legitimate right to protest or take their (ridiculous)“claims”(ha ha ha)to the ICJ.
Thats as far as it goes
And you are telling lies again.
lnto the naughty corner for you, lad.
110 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
Does anybody have a list of which countries actually attended the the conference. I have been unable to find one. The information I did find says that there are 54 African countries and 12 South American (think it was 12 not going to look it up again.)

That would make 66 countries, the Press photograph released, clearly does not show that many, not with deputies and other ministerial delegates.

I thought I read someone posting on here that there wereonly 20 countries present, that's hardly a decleration of 54, is it?

Just like to clear it up. Was it 66 or 20?
111 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
108 CaptainSilver

Now watch all of the “give peace a chance” / “we're not the aggressors” deadbeats get all excited about their little rocket.
112 Conqueror (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
@93 You are funny. I've made a few searches but I can't find any believable source for this so-called “Declaration”.

However, we should examine the bits that you have made us a present of. Not as link, I note. Just you typing.

“in accordance with the relevant resolutions of the United Nations and other regional and international organizations.”

There are NO, repeat NO, relevant resolutions of the United Nations. There is not one single binding resolution that the UK has to pay attention to. Neither is there any regional or international organisation to which the UK has to pay attention to unless it wants to. Incidentally, the words refer to a non-existent place. So much for point 26.
In regard to “point 28”, it is a joke. The Chagos archipelago was split from the Territories of Mauritius prior to Mauritian independence in 1965. See the previous point for the applicability of UN resolutions. In addition, and unfortunately for you, the United Kingdom, together with others, did not sign up to resolution 1514. And 2066 came from the C24. Therefore worthless.
“Point 29” is also a joke. In 1974 and 1976, Mayotte voted to forgo independence and retain its links with France. In March 2011, Mayotte officially became a department of metropolitan France.

Just attempts by self-important time-wasters to turn back history. Just goes to show that people like you are quite willing to ruin the lives of nearly 200,000 people for your pettiness.
113 brucey-babe (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
114 Redrow (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
I very much doubt that Argentina is developing a rocket as this would mean militarising the South Atlantic which Argentina has said it is opposed to and in any case would be unconstitutional as the Falklands can only be recovered by peaceful methods only. I suppose on the other hand they could just be massive hypocrites with blatant disregard for the rule of law. Time will tell. I wonder if it will be “100% made in Argentina”?
115 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
Light the blue touch paper and stand well back.

“Light up the sky with standard fireworks.”
116 andy65 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
Well I guess it's time to call it a day when your own people call you

”daughter of a whore”.

What a lovely way with words these Argentine cats have
117 yankeeboy (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
We recognize the legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic

Silly Rgs, everyone will Recognize the LEGITIMATE RIGHTS because there aren't any

Words are pesky things

Funny El Think is up so very late every night, only posts when this side of the Atlantic is sleeping.
Maybe it's to get faster internet.
maybe it is some other reason
118 Gordo1 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse

Pertinent piece¡
119 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
34. We strongly condemn racism, racial discrimination and xenophobia with the attendant intolerance. We pledge to enhance cooperation between our regions and to exchange good practices in the fight against all forms of intolerance, in line with commitments made in the Declaration and Plan of Action, adopted by the World Conference against Racism held in Durban, South Africa in 2001.

Could this apply to the non existant Falkland Islanders? Xenophobia is certainly the behaviour displayed by Argentina towards the Islanders. Possiby even racist.

What do you call the refusal to recognise the existance of a people?

Impolite does not cover it.
120 Shed-time (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
Recognising Argentina's legitimate rights to the Falklands is like me recognising a rapist's legitimate rights to rape.

End of.
121 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
Now who does that remind me of? no names, one of them likes to sue and the other likes to use!
122 Conqueror (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
@111 No-one should get concerned about this argie “rocket”. It's the Gradicom II. Or, possibly, the Gradicom III if they've got that far. It's a two-stage sub-orbital solid propellant military test vehicle. It was first launched in July 2011. Research suggests that it has only ever been launched that once. In related news, on 23 October 2012 HMS Vigilant of the Royal Navy launched a UGM-133 Trident II D5 missile in a missile test. The UGM-133 Trident II D5 has a known range 30 times that of the Gradicom rocket. So that's the answer to any smart argie. “You have a little squib. Well done. We have 64 real ones. And their British-built nuclear warheads are already available and, in some cases, in place.”
@113 Thank you for that link. I thought the comments were more than interesting. Especially the recognition of the “malvinista” input.
123 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
124 nitrojuan (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
Referendum Circus has not support for anyone.

World Scenario:

Arg claim: warm support of Latam, Africa, Asia and in silence US.

Uk claim: cold support from some EU countries and some Commonwealth states .

other are decires...
125 andy65 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
@nitrojuan And for Argentina VERY LITTLE support from the long suffering Argentines who now deescribe QUEEN CRISTINA as ”daughter of a whore”.

Argentines say

In the coffee shops and steakhouses of a city that feels as much like Paris, Madrid and Rome as South America, middle-class locals expressed their exasperation over the government’s stranglehold on the economy and shared tips about where to obtain US dollars for foreign trips in the in the so-called “caves” (dens) for illegal currency exchanges.

“It’s an article of faith for Argentines that the Malvinas are our territory, but nobody is interested in this obsessive and inflammatory approach from Kirchner,” said Daniel Menendez, 41, a management consultant, as he shared a bottle of the country’s Malbec wine with friends in a Buenos Aires restaurant.

“We know that the reality is that the islanders consider themselves British, they are going to vote to remain British and nothing that is going to alter that.

“She is just whipping this up because the economy is a disaster and it’s an election year. The real problem in this country is not who runs the Malvinas, but how each day, she is making us more like Venezuela under Hugo Chavez.”

For working-class Argentines trying to stretch the weekly pay cheque as inflation hits 30 percent, the fate of the islands was also far from their minds.
126 Steveu (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
@124 I guess in your parallel Universe, anything is possible.
127 andy65 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
Strange how Argentines think they have Silent US support yet it is The United States that is persuading other nations to vote agaibnst Argentina getting loans.

“Britain this month joined the US and some other European states in announcing it would vote against loans to Argentina for non-poverty projects at the World Bank and Inter-American Development Bank because of the country’s financial malfeasance.”

They still do not understand the meaning of LIP SERVICE
128 Trunce (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
113 & 118

Interesting and succinct article, manages to touch most bases.

Would challange a couple of points though.

“Mrs Kirchner, who turned 60 last week and whose looks are widely believed to have benefited from cosmetic surgery”


”She’s also a very mistrustful person who surrounds herself with a small cadre of yes men and yes women.”

Should that read - cadavers ?
129 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
The USA, due to treaties of the OAS are officially neutral over the Falklands. Diplomats know all the political bullshit games all politicians sling. Unofficially, if Argentina had a minute portion of brain matter, they would see that the USA has blocked loans to Argentina, stopped imports to the USA, voted against virtually every position Argentina has taken. If Argentine's think that the USA is going to silently support Argentina when they are bending over for Iran and trying to take it up the ass from Iran.......they are beyond stupid.
130 Gordo1 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
Part of Argentina's campaign to gain support from fellow Latin American democracies has been its avowed intent never to use armed force to impose its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. This would appear now to be false as the Sunday Times reports that Argentina is developing missile technology together with Iranian assistance - the missiles will apparently be of a design that will be a threat to the archipelago.

So now we can see the hypocrisy of the current Argentine government.
131 briton (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
So what we have here is simple,

Britain drops a crumb of the table,
And CFK thinks it’s an avalanche,

My how the fallen falls further.

132 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
'Argentina dispatch: the troubled reign of Queen Cristina of Argentina
Beset by economic stagnation, Argentines are growing weary of President Cristina Kirchner's obsession with the Falklands, reports Philip Sherwell...'

'United States argue with his position in Britain over the Falklands conflict - According to the English press, Secretary of State, John Kerry, will address the issue during his meeting with British Foreign Secretary William Hague'
133 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 07:48 pm Report abuse

It is interesting what you point out - quite right.

I like hearing the perspective from you and “Yankeeboy” in the 'States.
There are differences between the US and the UK on this matter, just as there are between individuals on the same 'side'. As someone said, “like a family”.

An unfortunate element of the whole 'we want the Malvinas - give them back to us' issue is the anti-Anglo sentiment, really a form of racism.
An easy emotional appeal to Argentina's Latin neighbours, it is harder to make the argument, logically, to the UN and the world stage.

Hence, they slag the UN as 'dominated by the US and UK' when it suits them. Obviously, they feel they will get racial sympathy from the African nations - at least the ones not benefitting from being in the Commonwealth.
Were South Africa or Ghana at that Conference??

I would go so far as to say, their inferred racism has, as mentioned by others, made the distrustful UK and FI dig their heels more resolutely than ever. Additionally, it has emphasised the bond between the UK and US, especially with the abandonment of the $$$b debt owed to IMF and others.

It is interesting that as the impending Referendum
looms, and the econmy implodes, the Argies are starting to thrash wildly.

- CFK is hiding in her bunker after being Boo'ed and jeered at the latest rally. Popularity at an all-time low.

- Timerman sent on a 'mission of provocation' and 'non-negotiating' to British Parliament and Mr. Hague. Failed to get a rise out of UK - spectacular failure.

- Timerman and meeting if 'prominent Europeans' - nobody noticed and no participants signed the 'declaration'.

- A hastily cobbled together 'African' Convention to denounce European colonialism - very transparent, nobody noticed, and attendees only gave 'lip service'.

Meanwhile, back at MercoPress, the Trolls have all had their leaves cancelled, to harass the Falklanders and trash the Referendum.

Desperately, they are getting more and more reckless!!

134 An Argie (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 08:30 pm
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135 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
This stupid woman is on the page concerning the rail crash, calling for Taliban attacks on British Embassies around the world, supporting terrorism. Can you believe it??????
She's mad as a hatter!
136 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
Yes, speak - and they shall appear!

'She' is more likely a 'he' - Sussie used to post with an obsession over violent anal sex, 'arses', and penises. *rolls eyes*
137 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
yankeetroll:All of these ridiculous Rgs think they know how the USA thinks, acts and works.
We will always side with the UK, always! No matter what Prez we have there is huge support in Senate, Congress, Business and population to get him to act on the UK's behalf.

Admiral Sir John “Sandy” Woodward in a letter to the Daily Telegraph said Washington was pushing for negotiations over sovereignty and “significantly the Islands are already being called the Malvinas by the US”.

With the end of the Cold War and emergence of Asian powers NATO and Britain were not as important to Washington which in 1982 played a significant part in providing satellite intelligence and missiles to British forces.

“We can no longer rely on the Pentagon to support us in helping the Islanders in their wish to remain essentially British sovereign territory,” he wrote.

This means Britain can now do “precisely nothing” to prevent Argentina retaking the Falklands.

If as is likely significant oil reserves are found around the Islands then pressure from Argentina will be immense to share in the riches.

The US would support an Argentine “accommodation” as its national interest supports stability in the area. “This tells us all too clearly which way the wind is blowing”.
uk is FINISHED! USA has no longer interest in supporting a bankrupt country..They are not going to make any money with them...
138 briton (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
more utter rubbish.
139 andy65 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
@Malvinero1 Do you know how stupid you sound? you need to perhaps read what you write and for your information Argentina can NEVER be stable with a mad Bitch at the helm
140 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
What you waiting for then? If he is right, It should be a push over, give it a go why don't you, what's stopping you?

Oh dear, could it possibly be the presence of the British armed forces?

Diddums, never mind. Why don't you put pressure on for a share in the Islanders natural resources. My guess is the second word of their reply will be. off!
141 Conqueror (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
@124 Argie-cesspit. The land that never was. Built on blood, bones, theft and genocide. Hasn't changed in (nearly) 200 years.
World Scenario: With loans blocked by Germany, Italy, UK and US, argies reduced to eating each other. Not the classic sexual meaning. In the slum streets of Buenos Aires, arms and legs may be hacked off to provide an evening meal. Heads are left. Nothing in them anyway. Will the “daughter of a whore” be getting the prime cuts?
@134 What “future argentine presidents”, Sussie? Argieland is headed for forced “dissolution”. It's not right that a “state” founded on theft and genocide, demonstrably guilty of corruption, criminality, fraud, mendacity, mass psychosis, paedophilia, treachery, war crimes and xenophobia should be allowed to continue. There are also the small matters of unwarranted attack, invasion, occupation and failure to comply with a BINDING UN Security Council resolution. Why is this sewage slop pit allowed to continue to exist? In times gone past, there was an explanation of how many of one's nationals had to be assaulted to be grounds for war. The answer is simple. ONE! The sewage slop pit of latam KILLED 255 British servicemen. It wounded 775. It KILLED 3 Falkland Islanders. Still it whinges. Has it apologised? Has it made or paid reparations? How many argie scumbags is ONE British soldier or ONE Falkland Islander worth? 250,000? More? Do the math. The sewage farm of latam must be destroyed. Argie “ex-pats” must be tracked down and exterminated! The word “argentina” should appear only in history books. A brief note about a criminal state that was allowed to exist for 150 years too long!
@137 Tell us, faggot, have you ever heard of “realpolitik”? Allow me to explain. Long before the latino sewage slop pit could do ANYTHING. There was a recent launch of a BRITISH Trident II D5 missile. Do you understand why? You're already in the crosshairs. Watch the skies! May be the last thing your dying eyes ever see!
142 andy65 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
@Malvinero1 Dear stupid you are refering to one mans opinion, now there are other people who have the opinion and rightly so that The United Kingdom could destroy Argentina without any armed forces being deployed by way of NUCLEAR STRIKE now is it going to happen NO -DO YOU GET MY DRIFT???? capabilities my dear friend and there certainly not on the side of Argentina
143 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
#137 with your last paragraph in your rant leads me to ask....“how many hours a day do you practice being stupid, or is it natural? Wishing something will not make it happen. I hope you are one ugly fuckhead, because medicine can fix ugly......but it sure the hell cannot fix stupid”
The USA may be officially quiet because of those stupid ass Pan American treaties in which the USA started questioning the relevance of OAS, but unofficially will never abandon the UK.
Why do you malvinassholes and peronidiots and kirchnerholes realize that argentina is in the same bed with chubby chavo......dead.
144 ynsere (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 05:07 am Report abuse
Gordo1 @ 130
Uruguay has learned not to believe a word the Argentine gov't says, and I'm pretty sure the same goes for the other South American democracies.
145 Shed-time (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 09:54 am Report abuse
Threatening Argentina is pointless, it's as pointless as threatening an angry tramp who wants to steal your car. Having the tramp's white lightening buddies saying that they support the angry tramps illegitimate rights to your car is pointless. So is getting your own friends to say they support your rights to your car.

Better just leave the tramp in his skip.
146 Clyde15 (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:32 am Report abuse
Do you, perchance work for the the US State Dept. as an advisor.
You seem to have a brilliant insight to the thought processes of the Secretary of State. I am sure that he will have contacted you before his talk with our Foreign Secretary to benefit from your wisdom on all the world's pressing problems, of which, of course, the Falklands are the most important.
I look forward to the joint statement wherein he tells the UK that they MUST hand over the islands to Argentina, with an apology and reparations, and that the UK and the USA are no longer friends. Argentina now holds premier place as the USA's number one ally.
147 Hepatia (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 01:40 pm Report abuse Argentina does not need US support over the Las Malvinas dispute. However the UK does. In order to avoid having to return Las Malvinas to Argentina the UK needs the support of at least one powerful American country. And the UK has chosen the US as that country. But the US has told the UK that it is unimpressed by the referendum. This constitutes the dilemma for the UK that Las Malvinas presents.

Because the US has refused to change its position the referendum is a failure.
148 reality check (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
The UK does not require the support from any country regarding the Sovereignty of UK territory.

Kerry arrived today, news states that the talks will be about Syria, the Middle East Peace Process, North Korea and Iran nuclear proliferation. The Falklands are likey to be brought up.

They are not high on the agenda, they are likey to concerntrate on the Middle East Peace Process, progress in that area is seen has being Obama's goal , his chance to leave a legacy of his last term in office.

The Falkland Islands are not high on the list of the USA foreign affairs priorities. They will maintain their neutral stance, no change from 1982.
149 Hepatia (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 03:40 pm Report abuse I think the fact is that Las Malvinas is not in the US list of priorities at all. That's the point.

It is the UK government, whipped by the UK media sites, that wants to raise the Las Malvinas issue. In the US the government's position of neutrality is completely uncontroversial.
150 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
oh Hepatitis!

“But the US has told the UK that it is unimpressed by the referendum. This constitutes the dilemma for the UK that Las Malvinas presents”

Can you link that for me? Because offically they are neutral, unofficially they are not.
151 yankeeboy (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
Hepa, It's isn't a USA priority because we recognize the UK as the administrator of the Falklands. What don't you get? We don't have a public opinion because we don't see anything changing anytime soon.

All the Int'l screeching Rg have done all over the world has not changed our position.

You all made a serious misjudgement in 1982 and it looks like you're making the same mistake again.

Not a bright people.
152 Be serious (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
Falklands are British unless Falkland Islanders decide otherwise. Democracy in action. You cannot beat it.
153 briton (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
One must just ignore these silly fools,
You can’t win with them,
If the Americans said [we support the British]
They would be here Slagging the Americans of,
But if the American stated that they supported Argentina,
These fools will think they won the lottery,

You just can’t have it both ways,
And they will remain neutral.

154 MrFlapole (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 08:54 pm
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155 lsolde (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
lf you say so, MrFlagpole.
Not my cup of tea, but it does sound interesting.
And where do you get this startling information from, pray tell?
Don't be shy, don't hold back.
l'm(& no doubt we) are all ears.
156 britons (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:07 pm
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157 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:31 pm Report abuse
@155 Well knock me down with a feather, you're Think too then. Without the insight of @154 I would never have known.
158 british servant (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:45 pm
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159 redpoll (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
Wow this is becoming interesting.
What will b.s come up with next? McDod is really Admiral Lord West of Spithead? Or Sandy Woodward?
Come on tell us another funny please!
I as Redpoll am actually the reincarnation of the Barber of Seville perhaps?
Snotty is really one of the cardinals under butlers in the Vatican. Come on you can do better than that! Use your imagination!
160 briton (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 12:51 am Report abuse
we see suzy is about, and been reported,

and you wonder why the world laughs at you.
CFK loonies .
161 Hepatia (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:02 am Report abuse Exactly! As you have stated yet again the US position has not changed despite the referendum. That is the point.

The UK's aim is to get the US to change its position from one of neutrality to support for its position. The referendum has not achieved this aim. The question for the UK is what actions can they take to get the US to change its position from neutrality to support. My answer is that there is nothing that they can do. So, it follows that the UK will return Las Malvinas to Argentina within 25 years.
162 briton (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:04 am Report abuse
The referendum has not achieved this aim
[it hasnt started yet]

we dont need the USA to beat you,
and the islands will remain british,

And again you live in fairy land.
163 british driver (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 02:43 am Report abuse
the islanders are only administrators of the falk=slum=lands, full stop
164 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:08 am Report abuse

The US does not need to come out and publically support us, we know they do.

The next time Argentina has a 'shit-fit' at the UN, it would be nice to have them recognise the wishes of the islanders, and realise that the Argie delegation is full of cra.. hot air.
165 Hepatia (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:38 am Report abuse If so then why is Hague raising the issue with Kerry?
166 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:51 am Report abuse
Why not? Sure would be nice if they did.

More to the point, why do you so ardently not want it to happen?

167 Hepatia (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:15 pm Report abuse Assume “it” is Hague raising the issue with Kerry. If so, I can confirm to you that I do not care whether it is raised or not. But, if it is, Kerry will reiterate one more time, the long standing US policy regarding the issue of Las Malvinas. And it is this policy that the UK desperately wishes to change - for the reasons I have given above.
168 briton (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
If so then why is Hague raising the issue with Kerry?

Probably for the same reason why CFK talks to every man and woman she passes or to anyone that listens..
169 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
Happily for all of us Brits, the US is not so neutral as to prevent a US oil company from investing in commercial exploitation of the resources in the UK policed EEZ around Falkland Islands (and thus from paying royalties and taxes to the local agents of the UK Government).
170 briton (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
Besides Argentina worries far to much,
Jumping ahead of the gun, will just get yourself shot .lol.
171 Clyde15 (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Craying.? No comprendo. No speako dago.
172 lsolde (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
lts touching that you worry about us Hepatia, but there is no need.
We are in full possession of our lslands and are sure of our rights to do so.
We completely “reject”(one of Argentina's favourite words)Argentina's ridiculous “claims” but would like to have a good neighbour relationship with you.
Sovereignty will never be discussed as, quite frankly, there is nothing to discuss & anyway we refuse.
Would you discuss Argentina's sovereignty with a belligerent foreign country?
Of course not & neither will we.
And please get our country's name right. These are the Falkland lslands.
Las Malvinas only exist in fantasyland.
Thank you.
@171 Steve Folgers,
You, my friend, are a complete raving lunatic. Disappear.
173 row82 (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 11:41 pm Report abuse
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Please support our other page - Falkland Islands Desire The Right - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs -
174 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 01:30 pm Report abuse

I do not follow your logic:

You say that the US position of neutrality will not change from where it has been for the past 180 years. Except during the conflict of 1982 caused by you, when they came down on the British side except to request that we dont “humiliate you”.

So, if nothing changes from the 180 year old position, how will the islands be “returned” to Argentina in 25 years?

They cant be ”reuturned to Argentina, as Argentina never had them. The only times that Argentina or its precursors had the islands was for 2 months in 1832 and 2 months in 1982, both humiliating examples which i am amazed you wish to recall.

Please be clear, the islands will NEVER be Argentine. They may one day be an independent state, but will NEVER be Argentine. Hopefully that is clear to you.
175 Hepatia (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 02:35 pm Report abuse Actually I did not say, “You say that the US position of neutrality will not change from where it has been for the past 180 years.” Read what I have written again.

I don't know why you think I was humiliated by in 1832 or 1982. (Did I slip and fall or expose myself in public?) I was not alive in 1832 and I was not involved in any way with the Argentinian administration of Las Malvinas in 1982. So I feel strangely un-humiliated by the events of either of those years.

One thing is certain, if Las Malvinas ever attempts to declare independent from the UK Argentina will extend its administration to the territory to stop it becoming a haven for terrorists.

I think that once you have re examined your assumptions you will find my logic easier to follow.
176 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
@175 Thank you for your endorsement of the US/UK security policy for dealing with terrorist threats abroad. Presumably, though, Argentina would adopt its traditional Falkland Island exit strategy of ignoring the UN Security Council and waiting for the logical certainty of its occupation force being given its usual assisted passage home.
177 Hepatia (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 03:54 pm Report abuse Unfortunately there will be no one to offer assistance. Argentina will have to shoulder the burden alone.
178 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
@177 And I thought it was the meek who were down to inherit the earth. Still, your truly apocalyptic vision of a world populated only by Argentinians must give you great comfort at this most difficult of times.
179 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 04:32 pm Report abuse

As you identify, you were not born in 1832 as were no posters on these boards. However, your own government can feel “outrage”, “disappointment”, “unjust” etc etc about what happened but you are unable to feel “humiliation”.

Equally, in 1982, the military junta of Argentina didn't invade the Falklands, Argentina did. Interestingly as soon as Argentina lost the war, the Junta was overthrown...if they were that unpopular why didn't you overthrow them before??
The answer is obvious.

The Falklands can become an independent state and still get defence from a third party. Perhaps they could join NATO?? LOL.

There is no circumstance where the islands will become under Argentine control against the wishes of the inhabitants. NONE. There are three eventualities.

1) BOT where Argentina winges, moans and complains..I.e. status quo
2) BOT where Argentina grows up, trades, shares in the regional prosperity
3) Independent state still protected by UK

There is no Argentine province option
180 yankeeboy (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
Considering the tri-boarder area in Missiones is chock full of terrorists and every other kind of low life I would think Argentina would be concerned that the USA will start “administering” that area from our base in Paraguay.
Hmm that may be why we're building up there...
181 Clyde15 (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
“Argentina will extend its administration to the territory to stop it becoming a haven for terrorists.”

Amplify this please.

Scenario 1)
Argentina can declare that the Falklands are under their control. No one will pay any attention to this -we have heard it all before.
Scenario 2 )
Argentina will deploy forces to physically take over the islands, Bad news for your forces who attempt this.
The Falklands will invoke their defence treaty with the UK who will deal with the matter to the great detriment of Argentina.
182 Terence Hill (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
161 Hepatia

What are you talking about support or none support visa vi any nation is totally irrelevant. The issue is purely a legal one, so the politics is just so much useless pot-banging, with out the power to effect any change in the status quo. The UK has the legal sovereignty, therefor the islanders have the right under the ICJ rulings to self-determination. In addition Argentina has acquiesced by her tacit acceptance of the referendum; i.e. she has taken no legal steps to prevent it.
183 Ayayay (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
184 Hepatia (#) Feb 27th, 2013 - 11:32 pm Report abuse Well US administration, the US being an American country, would be a big improvement over the present situation. But would the US wish to be lumbered with the burden?
185 screenname (#) Feb 28th, 2013 - 12:24 am Report abuse
@175 Hepatia: “One thing is certain, if Las Malvinas ever attempts to declare independent from the UK Argentina will extend its administration to the territory to stop it becoming a haven for terrorists.”

...And there is Argentina's peaceful solution for the Falklands. For that to be certain, you might want your government to invest in boats that can actually float and don't have sails. And don't think about using Tango1, as the Falklanders will confiscate it.
186 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 28th, 2013 - 12:30 am Report abuse

“Well US administration, the US being an American country, would be a big improvement over the present situation.”

So we're back to your, Hepatia's (Argentina's?? I don't expect that you speak for ALL the Argentinian people), reason for wanting to subjugate/ eliminate/ expel the current inhabitants of the Falkland Islands, your own hate and racism towards the British.
You appear to be much more accepting of a different country 'administering' the Falklands, even though it is essentially the status quo.
You accept the US,
- English language, not a Latin language
- not from the Southern Hemisphere
- No 'territorial integrity'
- US would 'militarise' -maintain their own defence forces
- Fslklands would not be 'integrated' into USA - ie. made a full State
- Self-Governing Territory status would remain similar
- US would offset 'Administration Costs' by exploiting resources within the EEZ
- Same freedom of religion
- same freedom of the press

Unless you have an overwhelming need to have the people of the Falklands drive on the right and take that lady's picture off the stamps,
what reason could there be, to want the British out, while accepting the US ????

Just like in the 'missile' thread, you have revealed yourself for what you are, an anti-British hater and racist.

I suggest that you are just plain spiteful and have a personal axe to grind.
Nothing more.
187 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 28th, 2013 - 01:34 am Report abuse
It's brainwashing troy, they are told the Brits are evil and they occupy the Falklands, all to deflect the current state of affairs in Argentina, not to mention that socialism needs nationalism. They are the blind following the idiots....they believe all they are told, the idea of challenging government is foreign to them....“the movenment” in agentina is dead, it was never alive merely on life support. Nestor is waiting for Christina....hurry!
188 Hepatia (#) Feb 28th, 2013 - 02:18 am Report abuse As a matter of fact I speak for exactly zero Argentinians.

Neither do I think that the present occupants of Las Malvinas should be subjugated or expelled. As far as I know nobody is proposing this.
189 DanyBerger (#) Feb 28th, 2013 - 03:58 am Report abuse
And the discussion idiots?
190 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 28th, 2013 - 04:05 am Report abuse

“: As a matter of fact I speak for exactly zero Argentinians.”
- who DO you speak for then??
Let's not be cryptic.

Is it just your personal grudge, as I said @186. ??

@188 Hepatia
“Neither do I think that the present occupants of Las Malvinas should be subjugated or expelled. As far as I know nobody is proposing this.”

Here is what I said @186
”So we're back to your, Hepatia's (Argentina's?? I don't expect that you speak for ALL the Argentinian people), reason for wanting to subjugate/ eliminate/ expel the current inhabitants of the Falkland Islands... “

You believe that you are entitled to take over the Falklands and are demanding it from the UK, UN, US, and world community.

What will happen to the inhabitants,??
The peaceful Falklanders, despite what your propaganda states, are descendents of a continuous, non-aggressive culture for 180 years who are exercising free will - a self governing society.
If you 'take the islands back', and impose your administration and culture, against their will, won't they be subjugated???
You will not expel them or drive them out??
Won't that just leave ”eliminate” the population???

Lets not play this childish cat & mouse game.

- what ARE your plans for the current inhabitants of the Fslklands, the British and other nationalities, who don't want you there???
191 lsolde (#) Feb 28th, 2013 - 09:45 am Report abuse
Q).“ -what ARE your plans for the current inhabitants of the Falklands etc”
A). Deportation & if they resist, forced deportation or extermination.
(they've done it all before)
Deportation/Extermination--war of the Desert 1880.
Extermination--dirty war 1970s-1982.
And they think that for just one minute that we should trust them:-
“to respect our rights” ha ha ha!
l'd rather trust a boemslang.
192 yankeeboy (#) Feb 28th, 2013 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
I was talking about the USA administering the Tri-Border area not the Falklands. They are doing just fine without our help.
Unfortunately the Tri-Border area is not, obviously the 3 countries are too inept to manage their own territory and don't worry we have plenty of resources to take over the area and it seems like we are moving into Paraguay every day.
193 Hepatia (#) Feb 28th, 2013 - 01:32 pm Report abuse Well, I don't have any plans for the current inhabitants if Las Malvinas. But, even if I did, I am not the Evil Dr No. I am just a little old lady. So, even if I had plans for Las Malvinas or its inhabitants, I would not be able to execute. So you can be doubly assured that you are safe from me.

The truth is that I have no interest in Las Malvinas other than as a commentator.

I think intercourse with you would be a lot easier if you where not, to be direct, a raving conspiracy nut. The underlying proposition directs you conversation is basically a [i]petitio principii[/i] fallacy. You can break the circle by examining your assumptions. So, you see, I am not playing a childish cat and mouse game with you. You are playing with yourself.
194 ynsere (#) Feb 28th, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
yankeeboy @ 192
Don't forget the large Palestinian population on the Brazilian side of the binational town of Chui (or Chuy) on the Uruguayan-Brazilian frontier.
195 TTT (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 02:15 am Report abuse
is your fault
the UK knew after the 1982 invasion argieland is the enemy
no puerto argentinos for the brits
full stop
196 Marcus W. (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 02:39 am Report abuse
gee all the brits comments sound like be made by the same person
boring full stop
197 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 07:15 am Report abuse
@193 hepatia

“ Well, I don't have any plans for the current inhabitants if Las Malvinas. But, even if I did, I am not the Evil Dr No. I am just a little old lady. So, even if I had plans for Las Malvinas or its inhabitants, I would not be able to execute. So you can be doubly assured that you are safe from me.

The truth is that I have no interest in Las Malvinas other than as a commentator.

I think intercourse with you would be a lot easier if you where not, to be direct, a raving conspiracy nut.”

Typical Argentine, or I should say 'Malvinista“ tactic - being dismissive, trivialising the issue and ridiculing those who question you.

You want to dismiss me as a ”conspiracy nut“ for asking about the Islanders, when their fate is precisely the core of the conflict.

Since you won't state whether you are Argentine or not, I will say that you, and the Argentine government, the Malvinistas, trivialise the rights of the Falkland Islanders by not including them in any discussions about the islands, and in fact Timerman has said he will not consider their ” wishes“.

You know full well that according to the UN, the UK, and the Falklanders themselves, the SELF DETERMINATION of the inhabitants must be considered.

Minimising their importance as 'less than a people', by portraying them as ”squatters“ , ”pirates“, and ”criminals” only illustrates Argentina's disregard for basic human rights, consistent with their history.

As I said before, despite your pontificating, your position is legally and morally indefensible.

Resorting to ridicule underlines your arrogance and lack of a real argument.
198 Simon68 (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
197 Troy Tempest (#)
Mar 01st, 2013 - 07:15 am

Hepatia is NOT Argentine, it is Dutch!!!!!!!
199 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 03:35 pm Report abuse

Thank you, Simon. For some reason Hepatia was being a bit coy about that.
He portrays himself as a neutral “commentator” and a “little old lady”.

However, he/she seems to be driven by the same values as the Malvinistas and the Peronists, and has demonstrated a recurring strong anti-British bias.

Being Dutch or an Afrikaaner might make his viewpoint easier to understand, but even 'little old ladies' need to abide by a moral code.
200 DanyBerger (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 06:33 pm Report abuse

Poor Britons falling deeper and deeper in every sence...

Now they are attacking a nice Dutch Lady because her free opinions don’t match Britons lunatics points of view.

Sad very sad

What next? beating little boys?

Oh! I forgot that you already have done that just disgusting...

Talking about moral code...
201 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
Looks like christina is willing to pay Paul Singer afterall.
202 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse

Off topic and gratuitous, Dany.

Is that video from your private collection??
203 DanyBerger (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
@Captain Poppy

That have being the position of Argentina since the debt restructuring what's new?

The VF will never get pay if they don't comply with Argentina's law so they have to get into the “canje” else they never will get paid.

So VF are losing their battle with Argentina, years of legal battle an not one cent.

@Troy Tempest
Do you want more?
204 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse

You are the one taking great glee at violence against people.
205 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
There are many articles, here is one where she says.....“not one dollar to the vulture funds” Last sentence.

``We are never going to pay the vulture funds. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't understood a thing,'' Economy Minister Hernan Lorenzino said via Twitter late on Monday.

I see the trolls taking the time to get it out of their asshole and claim......“that's what we said all along”. Yet a CNBC interview and a speech at last year's G20 says otherwise.
206 screenname (#) Mar 01st, 2013 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
@205 Captain Poppy:

Why do you have trouble resolving,

`We are never going to pay the vulture funds'


swapping the debt for a fraction of the original figure, and then converted into the monopoly money Argentina uses as currency.

Can anyone tell me if it is cheaper to buy toilet roll, or just wipe your arse on pesos?
207 y0nkeeboy (#) Mar 02nd, 2013 - 03:26 am Report abuse
never mind ass long you have warm water

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