Hague to discuss US position on Falklands’ referendum with Kerry
Foreign Secretary William Hague will discuss the United States' position on the Falkland Islands with Secretary of State John Kerry following reports that Washington will not recognise the result of next month's referendum.
The vote next March 10/11 is expected to underline the Islanders' determination to remain a British Overseas Territory in response to Argentina's claims over sovereignty.
Mr Kerry will make his first visit to the UK as Secretary of State next week and Foreign Office sources said the Falklands would be one of the issues raised by Mr Hague with his American counterpart.
The State Department said last month it recognised “de facto United Kingdom administration” of the Falkland Islands but “takes no position regarding sovereignty”.
When the public vote was announced last year, a State Department official said: “We will not speculate on a referendum that has not taken place. Our position remains one of neutrality.”
A Foreign Office spokeswoman said the UK Government is in “regular touch” with the US on the issue of the Falklands.
A spokeswoman said: “The US position has not changed. The US does not support Argentina's sovereignty claims. The US recognises the UK's administration of the Falkland Islands, but takes no position on sovereignty.
”We are, of course, in regular touch with the US on this issue, as on so many others. And we expect that dialogue to continue.
”Unlike Argentina, the UK has no desire to bring third parties into a bilateral issue. Our position on supporting self-determination for the Falkland islanders is underpinned by the United Nations Charter, which is binding on all UN members”, said the FCO spokesperson.
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Surely, there is no comfort here for the malvinistas and their mistress, la Kretina!
See, straight from the horses mouth, - The US does not support argentina in their claims.
Problem is, “The world,” does not realise this fact.
The 54 member Countries of the African Union decided, in unison, to recognize “Argentina’s legitimate sovereignty rights over the Malvinas, Georgias & Sandwich del Sur Islands, including all the adjacent maritime territories”
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-214476-2013-02-23.html
The declaration to this effect, when it's published as opposed to interpreted by someone prone to exaggeration, will mark a watershed in the campaign to get a seat on the Security Council for the African Union and Brazil at the expense of GBR and FRA.
If it's a true interpretation that is.
So, basically no commonwealth countries apart from one or two. Not the african union at all, it's a complete fabrication. Additionally, all they said was they support the the view that theres hould be no more militarisation, not that they support the sovereignty claiim. Argentina said they didn't like the increased military presence, the countries there obviously wouldn't have time to check facts, stated there and then if they agreed with this view and they agreed. Typical Argie Crap. “We just pulled this lie out of our pocket, we know you know nothing of this situation but want you to judge it purely on what we are saying right now and here, what say you?”. Ludicrous.
Who cares what they think anyway?
MMMMMMMMM, No trolls?
They don't like this internationally recognised and supervised referendum one but do they. The more they try to discount it the more they reveal how bothered they are by it.
I hope there is strong motivation for a 100% turn out. The results then can't get any clearer.
expect the USA to be hypocritical then.
Diego Garcia anyone?
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“”“The declaration to this effect, when it's published as opposed to interpreted by someone prone to exaggeration, will mark a watershed in the campaign to get a seat on the Security Council for the African Union and Brazil at the expense of GBR and FRA. ”“””
do they have nukes now? No?
ah.. slight problem then.
One thing for sure is they do not want to end up as cartoneras living in villa miserias on $7 a day under the boot of strutting colonialists
the bloke from Benin.'can we go home now.... my dinner will be getting cold'
muttering from down the back... ' yes lets go home'
Titman 'nobody is going home until they sign these minutes I brought with me...'
the geezer from Guinea ' but its in spanish... whats it say?
Titman ' never mind what it says... just sign it'
'Can we go home then?'
'Maybe'
'oh OK'......
s o s
http://100r.org/corruption-allstars/
Nice title CORRUPTION ALLSTARS-I guess that's Crissy for ya
Can someone tell Hagues that the role of US as a world power have declined considerable to the extent that Obama had to put his head down to China to get $$$ loans to keep US a float?
Oh! dio these people is still living 50 years backward we are in 2013 have any Briton noted that?
Lets assume that US say yes we can and support UK and better off they sign paper saying that the Islands belong to UK.
What the hell is gonna change that?
Absolutely nothing Argentina will never drop the claim, she can invade the Islands whenever she wants, etc.
And can be even worse for Uncle Sam and idiots because Argentina can drag into the conflict Russia and China.
Like the Egyptian have done in the case of the Suez Canal where Britons with their tail in between legs like a scared dog have to go back to little Britain like poor losers.
So time to start to press US companies in Argentina to send a clear message to US how will be life with Argentina if they chose the wrong side.
Mealy mouthed cowardice
What America says and America does are two different things.
This from Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia )
”On 30 December 1966, the US and the UK executed an agreement through an Exchange of Notes which permit the US to use the BIOT for defense purposes for 50 years (through December 2016), followed by a 20-year optional extension (to 2036) to which both parties must agree by December 2014.[19] No monetary payment was made from the US to the UK as part of this agreement or any subsequent amendment. Rather, the United Kingdom received a US$14 million discount from the US on the acquisition of submarine-launched ballistic missile system Polaris missiles per a now-declassified addendum to the 1966 agreement.“
So it looks like the 20 year extension has to be decided by 2014
The Wikipedia article makes some chilling reading - in particular:
”Diego Garcia is rumoured to have been one of the locations of the CIA's black sites. Several groups claim that the military base on Diego Garcia has been used by the US government for transport of prisoners involved in the controversial extraordinary rendition program, an allegation formally reported to the Council of Europe in June 2007. On February 21, 2008, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband admitted that two US extraordinary rendition flights refuelled on Diego Garcia in 2002. No reference was made to whether prisoners were on board the aircraft at the time.”
and (from cited from WikiLeaks in the same article):
“Additionally, Diego Garcia was used as a storage section for US cluster bombs as a detour from UK parliamentary oversight”
Seems the US are taking the piss at our expense!
The delusions of grandeur that is indoctrinated into Argentine school children is breathtaking.
One after the other, successive Argentine governments have made their country unimportant while at the same time they propagate the delusion of the opposite.
Russia and China...... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Why?
Why?
Why?
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I still expect the silly bastards to try and pull some stupid token stunt around the time of the Referendum which will leave them with more egg on their faces.
And you as a former UK serviceman (cough cough) must have been part of those peace-keeping ventures. Therefore you will know very well that there is a heavy price to having a seat at the top table. Is it your considered view that Mr Mugabe etc will be happy to commit Zanu PF supporting soldiers to die in the next Bosnia. Or how will the Argentine navy be able to help evacuate survivors from the next civil emergency in Africa. If one day Brazil or South Africa for example became major world powers with significant defence capacities and global reach, and Britain or France went entirely in the opposite direction then there would be a reasonable argument for a switch. But even then it would be Brazil or S.Africa that would be the effective powers, not a loose alliance of South American or African States. I take the same view of the proposal for an EU seat - I don't understand how it could usefully work in practice. At least you accept that it is just envy. There's a lot of it about.
Your suez comparison was superb, don't think the uk ran away like a scared dog, have a look at the history books, it all went really well, but the dog reference is valid in the way the the US ordered us to pull out, so we did become a lap dog from that day on.
am sure the US are very scared of not being able to be part of the economic marvel that is the Argentine economy.
AA plus , jajajaja George Galloway, china, Russia , oil , princess kate, morissey, Sean penn jajajaj
@7 What's it to you?
@16 Diego Garcia no-one. If you were to research the FACTS all it would show you is that the Chagos Archipelago had NO indigenous people. No fresh water, you see. But then the people on the Archipelago were the responsibility of a Mauritian company. Britain bought the islands but the Mauritian company didn't take its employees away. Probably couldn't be bothered as the history of those “employees” is that they were originally African slaves imported by the French. But the British government did give the Mauritian “government” money to re-settle them. I wonder if the fact that the majority of the Mauritian population is Indian in origin had anything to do with the result? The Mauritian “government” pocketed the money and did nothing.
@22 But then we can always “drop” argieland. Or should that be have “something” “dropped on” argieland?
@31 Why? Let's take OUR islands back. The yanks can have a few years to pack up, under British supervision, and leave. The Falkland Islands have shown us how we can develop and defend our territories. Let's rebuild the Royal Navy. Cut the “foreign aid” budget to zero. Cut the welfare benefits budget by 60%. Leave the EU. Deport all immigrants. Make all possible BOTs into military bases!
That way we don't have to defend things like extraordinary rendition (I though D Miliband's parliamentary answer was weasely to say the least) and banned ordnance such as cluster bombs
They have de facto control so they might as well buy it off us. I feel a letter to my MP cc,'ed to Hague coming on
As Churchill said the Americans are great allies if you do exactly what they say ! Think differently and it is goodbye to friendship.
Interesting comment
”The reason the U.S. does not support the U.K. on this issue, notwithstanding their otherwise incestuous relationship, is simply because under international law there are territorial limitations to the right of self-determination for transplanted populations living in colonial enclaves where a pre-colonial claim of sovereignty exists. This is the case with the Falklands. As a coloniser, the U.K. cannot legally disrupt the territorial integrity of another State by implanting its own population unto the territory it is colonising.
In cases such as these, the inhabitants of the colonised territory have a right to have their ‘interests’ considered but they have no right to unilaterally determine the nationality of the land they live in.
By the way, conducting a referendum of the colonising population the U.K. has implanted in the Falklands, is simply an attempt to obfuscate the issue by the U.K. The U.K. tried the same ploy in Gibraltar in the late 1960s. However, the referendum it sanctioned then was declared invalid by the UN when it adopted Resolution 2353, which observed that the referendum was contrary to the various resolutions which had been adopted previously by the UN General Assembly requiring the UK to decolonise Gibraltar”
We will always side with the UK, always! No matter what Prez we have there is huge support in Senate, Congress, Business and population to get him to act on the UK's behalf.
Argentina is a non-entity, they can't get a meeting with Prez or State now, we are driving them out of all Int'l orgs and Never never never have been aligned with them. They are backstabbing weasels run by a bi-polar nutjob.
So where they're coming up with this BS is beyond me.
It changes naught.
Now, can you remind us all why your Jewish Islamist ass kissing excuse of a minister Hector Timaman keeps going around the world from country to country BEGGING governmants to support your lost cause,now does that not sound like an insecure idiot?????
Now with regards to your comment “U.K. tried the same ploy in Gibraltar in the late 1960s” Can i ask you to tell us all with regards to Gibraltar which country in the year 2013 still as soverignty??
Your fighting a lost cause or to put it differently FLOGGING A DEAD HORSE
Why don't you go home and leave that part of South America you invaded and give what's left back to the poor remnants of the Indians you murdered. Spain and Italy need you...
By the way, a neat side step regarding DG would be to transfer sovereignty to Mauritius. Looking at some articles, we might be on that road. The 2014 timing might be opportune. Mauritius has made it clear that the US would be welcome to stay. Hopefully they would honour any commitments to the Chagos Islanders as we paid Mauritius to resettle them and they basically pocketed the money and did nowt.
@40 This is rubbish. Whatever spats we might have with the US they are a family quarrel- there is not a shred of comfort for Argentina. They take no position on sovereignty (ie they do not accept Argentina's claim) and as they do accept FIG, as the de facto administration, the referendum should be seen as their own business. Countries who appear not to support self determination usually have an issue in their own backyard such as China with Tibet. The US possibly has a similar issue in territories such as Guam
Red, I have been saying it for a long time. It is too obvious the way he writes, he uses the Marcos nick to be a bit nastier than the Doover or Think nick. So he can keep Think above the fray I guess.
I am pretty sure he is mentally unstable.
If the referendum is of no consequence why are you deadbeats and your pathetic leaders making such a deal about it? Just relax, sit back and watch it flop. Then come out and tell us you told us so.
Who wants to be part of the Argentinean basket case? 33 revolutions a minute, wall to wall dictators and nutcases, crumbling economies, cartoneros everywhere, corruption, Mafia, sinking currency $7 a day.....
No thank you!
Quite a lot of the Malvinista deadbeats on here don't want to be part of it. That's for sure.
Chuckle chuckle.
Http://www.100r.org/corruption-allstars/
Something to be proud of I guess
On 12th November 2012 when speaking to a reporter from the Argentine newspaper Tiempo Argentino about the forthcoming Falklands referendum Ban Ki-Moon said, 'I don't think Security Members are violating RELEVANT UN resolutions' and 'The impression is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities so that they can decide on their future.'
There you go - everything rests on the referendum. I wonder how the Falkland Islanders will vote?
“under international law there are territorial limitations to the right of self-determination for transplanted populations living in colonial enclaves where a pre-colonial claim of sovereignty exists.”
Thats not what I'm reading, perhaps you can give us an authoritative source for your interpretation, or perhaps it's just your own unauthoritative personal point of view.
Akehursts Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk
The generally accepted view is that the validity of an acquisition of territory depends on the law in force at the moment of the alleged acquisition; this solution is really nothing more than an example of the general principle that laws should not he applied retroaclively.
It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'.
Let this go, and hers will certainly follow.
2, nothing of interest in the UK papers,
So its not a big thing here,
3, we will talk when he arrives in Britain.
4, Argentina should not get its hopes up,
5, the only time this would be of interest, to any of the 3 parties,
Is when war arrives, now if CFK is very confidant that the mighty USA would back her up militarity,
Then GO FOR IT,
6, if not shhhhhhhhhhhh, or you will just look stupid, AGAIN ..
7, they are british, and will remain british,
but if Argentina remains Argentina or not, this remains to be seen ..
But like all wanabe dictators,
They all hang themselves in the end.
.
What a load of rubbish & lies you write, Marcos.
You lot are “implanted”immigrants in a land that you stole from the native peoples(after you'd murdered them!)
You upset their “territorial integrity”, you fool.
@53 Gustbury,
Hallooooooooooooo , to you too!
Are you an idiot, Gusters old chap? You certainly sound like one.
And you will NEVER get OUR land. Suck it up, baby.
Kind of makes you realise most of the world doesn't care for the law.
Querida Señora
A false referendum orchestrated by Mother England will not make any difference in the world public opinion, the squatters are squatters, no matter how you want to call it.
So why don't you and your miserable family stop squatting in the United Kingdom and go back to Argentina?? I have asked you on many occasions what you mean when you said to a BRITISH NEWSPAPER I will return to Argentina when it is safe to do so and the time is right PLEASE EXPLAIN.
World public opinion, that's a good one!
Reports that Washington will not recognise the result of next month’s referendum.
The 54 member Countries of the African Union decided to support Argentina's rights over Malvinas.
What a great weekend!
Same position as 82.
Can not read as usual.
Going to be cold for the rest of the week, better turn up your central heating,
like the rest of us in the UK.
..“From the Foreign Ministry was interpreted that ”the document is a diplomatic victory for our country,”
Once again Argentina interprates any document that suggest that Argentina and Great Britain talk as some kind of sanction of Argentine soverignty-can you please tell us where these 54 countrys state Argentine soverignty????
Would it also be acceptable that you answer questions of why you feel it safe to stay in The United Kingdom but refuse to return to your homeland-WHATS KEEPING YOU.
I call it Argentina.
ARGENTINA
Cristina Kirchner / Official
•Even before she was elected president of Argentina, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner carried the haze of corruption. In the most famous case, an emissary from Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, was discovered at the Buenos Aires airport carrying a briefcase stuffed with $800,000 in cash, destined, he later told the FBI, to support Kirchner’s presidential bid. Kirchner denied the allegation. Within Argentina, many question the huge fortune Kirchner and her late husband Nestor amassed since taking public office. Her declared personal wealth stands at $13.8 million, up from $500,000 when the couple first entered national politics. Kirchner cites income from real estate and hotels the couple had purchased to explain the 2,600 percent return on the couple’s investment purse. Corruption watchers complain that her government has neutered government oversight, giving auditing posts to cronies compromised by conflicts of interest. The result: corruption cases take an average of 14 years to work through the system, according to the non-profit Center for the Study and Prevention of Economic Crimes, and only 15 in 750 cases have led to convictions.
EQUATORIAL GUINEA
Teodoro Obiang / Pablo Manriquez
•Teodoro Obiang, president of Equatorial Guinea, has a genius for insuring that none of his country’s vast oil wealth goes to help its impoverished people, over 60 percent of whom live on less than $1 a day. His son, Teodorin, is building a mammoth $380 million luxury yacht, whose cost is three times more than the country spends on health care and education combined. This, in addition to a fleet of luxury cars and a $35 million estate in Malibu. Asked once how he managed to spend so outrageously on a government salary, the despot’s son and presumed successor said in a sworn affidavit that in Equatorial Guinea, government ministers can partner with companies that win government contracts. As a result, he wrot
Must be them, they have tried every one else!
Not long now, love to watch the squirming.
THE JOKES GET BETTER
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM.
Victim Support UK.
ZIMBABWE
Robert Mugabe / Mangwanani
•Thanks to Robert Mugabe, among the longest-standing leaders in Africa, Zimbabwe is ranked as one of the most corrupt countries by Transparency International. Citing the country’s unbridled corruption, the United States and the European Union have imposed sanctions against economic trade with the country, and barred Mugabe and his top officials from coming to Europe and the U.S. That, however, has not stopped Mugabe from spending his own country’s minimal resources for himself and his cronies: Mugabe is on track to spend nearly $50 million on foreign travel this year. He has a fancy house in the richest district of Hong Kong. His heavy-handed tactics have only brought violence and poverty to a country that was once seen as the breadbasket of Africa.
NIGERIA
Goodluck Jonathan / Official Photo
•Goodluck Jonathan took over one of the world’s most corrupt countries in May 2010 on the death of its president, and was re-elected last April. Nigeria is Africa’s most populous country — with appalling living conditions. Education, health and health care are poor. Only about half the population has access to clean water and life expectancy averages 47 years. Polio is still a problem, even though it has been eradicated everywhere else in Africa, along with cholera, malaria and HIV/AIDS. In 2006, anti-corruption officials investigated Mr. Jonathan’s wife, Patience, over allegations she tried to launder $13.5 million. She has never been convicted of any wrongdoing, however. Oil-rich Nigeria is home to networks of organized crime and has suffered from drug trafficking and piracy.
www.au.int/en/asa
Nothing in any press release as yet!
www.lexpress.mu/story/39526-diego-garcia-the-base-sovereignty-right-of-return.html
You could not make it up but unfortunately Argentina does.
“Elsewhere someone whose name I can't remember posted this ringing endorsement of the Argentinean claim:
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-214476-2013-02-23.html ”
Anyone else think its an amazing coincidence - just when the CFK government needed a “non-partisan” endorsement of their campaign to acquire the Falklands, this multinational meeting is held, doing just that.
Additionally - wouldn't it look suspect (from UK/FI perspective) for a Troll like Think, to suddenly pop up with a conference that supports the Trolls and Argentina's claims.
If it were not for a “Brit ” and an “ex-RN Serviceman” finding this independent, anonymous, post somewhere other than Mercopress, it might be scarcely believed.
@6 DoD
“”Elsewhere someone whose name I can't remember posted this ringing endorsement of the Argentinean claim:”
The world is full of coincidences.
argie trolls?
Think is your british (sueca) girlfriend. she is a SHE and loves you
Marcos Alejandro is british
Danny Berger is british
Pro-Arg. is british
SussieUS is northamerican
TTT is not british
Simon68Zhivago is a jewish canadian
argies don't give a shit about the USA “comments”
a war might be the solution to stop the diplomatic relations with the bloody rubbish people from the UK .
@ 82 Troy it is interesting that Think posts a link that is not backed up by any other source. There's nothing anywhere on the Internet.
And it didn't take long for him to agree and propagate it using his DuD login. And then Marcos started repeating it.
If and when any such declaration is actually made, I'm pretty sure it'll call for everyone to negotiate according to UN resolutions.
You know, the resolutions that are subordinate to Chapter 1, Article 1, Part 2!
Also, ignoring sussie@83
The repartee between the trolls is laughably less than convincing :-D
There was another thread where Raul, Think and “Dame Dover” commented on the Africa conference.
“Dover” makes a point of mentioning that the Conference was reported by “several Argentine news sources” and the stories reported and interpreted exactly the same way. As though to add credibility.
(and you say there were NOT several stories?? :-D)
“Think” rebukes “Dover” harshly, as if to add more believability to the Africa farce.
I noticed Marcos and Raul onboard - these guys all must read from the same Playbook.
Another Pantomime !
Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:10 am
Argentina doesn't need a war. War is the last thing Argentina needs. If Argentina wishes to break off diplomatic relations with the UK or any other country she just has to make a statement to that effect, close down it's embassy and go home.
I do think however that Argentina is actively trying to provoke the UK into breaking off diplomatic relations with Argentina but to do that you would really need to p!ss the UK off. so far though your government policy is at worst an annoyance and at best some of the finest comedy every to come out of South America.
It is your call, the ball is in your court. Malvinistas talk a lot of talk about wanting nothing to do with the UK so lobby your government to break off diplomatic relations. They are probably stupid enough to actually do it.
So Think is a woman? Thought so.
And most of the others are British, you say.
That must make me a nargy like you.
Actually you might be right.
Dad nearly bought a huuuuuge(nargy enough for you?)estancia in Sta Cruz province.
lf he had of done then l might have been born in Nargyland.
Glad he didn't.
lndonesia is better than Argentina anyway.
Logged on here this morning fully expecting to read an article on this historic decleration, from 54 African countries supporting Argentines claim to the South Atlantic region.
So where is it?
what still a bit early yet? well it's nearly a full 24 hours since the trolls started posting their news of this historic diplomatic victory, so where is it?
I can not wait to read what it actually says and not what these revisionists believe it says.
I am betting it is actually yet another call for peaceful dialogue, twisted to mean Argentine support. Predictably pathetic, Argentine propoganga, yet again.
14 days to go.
A call to reform the Security Council.
A call to reform the world bank.
Condemnation of a non existing NATO invasion of Libya.
Bloody hell, the place is a comedy club.
Malabo Declaration (2013)
We, Heads of State and Government of Africa and South America, meeting at our Third Africa-South America Summit (ASA) in Malabo, Equatorial Guinea from 20-22 February 2013;……………..
26. We recognize the legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas Islands, South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands, and the surrounding maritime areas, and urge the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume negotiations with the Argentine Republic in order to find, as soon as possible, a fair, peaceful and definitive solution to the dispute, in accordance with the relevant resolutions of the United Nations and other regional and international organizations.
Point 28 makes good reading too…..:
”28. We reaffirm that the Chagos Archipelago, including Diego Garcia, which was unlawfully excised by the former colonial power……..”
As does point 29….:
”29. We reaffirm that the Comorian Island of Mayotte, which was unlawfully excised by the former French colonial power…….”
www.itamaraty.gov.br/sala-de-imprensa/notas-a-imprensa/iii-cupula-de-chefes-de-estado-e-de-governo-america-do-sul-africa-asa-declaracao-de-malabo
Chuckle chuckle............
Lip service.
Refendum.
Chuckle, chuckle.
What they said:
“We recognize the legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas Islands, South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands, and the surrounding maritime areas.”
and what Think posted:
“The 54 member Countries of the African Union decided, in unison, to recognize “Argentina’s legitimate sovereignty rights over the Malvinas, Georgias & Sandwich del Sur Islands, including all the adjacent maritime territories””
Are not the same thing.
www.voltairenet.org/article162310.html
And as RC alludes to above “in accordance with the relevant UN resolutions” is the other qualification that emptied this of any significance. Since the UK is not in breach of any resolutions according to the UNSG then we can safely ignore this one. All this tail-chasing is growing more and more bizarre. Do you not feel that you are wasting your life while the islanders continue to grow and develop theirs regardless?
I particularly noted the part about deep rooted historical and cultural ties between South America and Africa.
What deep rooted and cultural ties does an African have with a Bolivian, Argentinian, Chilian, Brazilian or any of the others. Please someone enlighten me?
If these ties exist, why did they wait until 2006 to celebrate them?
Biggest load of shit I have ever read.
Historical and cultural ties, is that why outside of Brazil, there are hundreds of thousands of Black South Americans, that no one has ever seen.
They have more in common with Europe and North America, but you will never get these theiving despots, with their huge Swiss Bank Accounts, to admit it. Maybe that's what they have in common with some of them, Swiss Bank Accounts!!!!!!!
Africa? Is that what name CFK goes by now?
That fat overfed bastard Mugabe, with his personal fortune and his prestigious Hong Kong properties, flies to this conference to address the closing ceremony.
Fucking hilarious, a politician of truly international standard an example to the whole world of how to take one of the richest countries in Africa and destroy it in a single generation.
No doubt the Malvanistas will say it is not is fault and the fault of the British Imperialists. That explain his personal wealth does it?
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
Like I keep saying, just more evidence, if any more was needed, why they will never gain sovereignty over the islands.
We should be very afaid! :o))))
How many of your new friends are democratic free nations, Think?
We really don't care who you rustle up to support your ridiculous “claims”.
You will NEVER get OUR land, so you may as well just get used to it.
lf you can't/won't get used to it then Toughski Shitski for you.
Also, Think, posters#s 95 & 96 are correct.
Argentina has a legitimate right to protest or take their (ridiculous)“claims”(ha ha ha)to the ICJ.
Thats as far as it goes
And you are telling lies again.
lnto the naughty corner for you, lad.
That would make 66 countries, the Press photograph released, clearly does not show that many, not with deputies and other ministerial delegates.
I thought I read someone posting on here that there wereonly 20 countries present, that's hardly a decleration of 54, is it?
Just like to clear it up. Was it 66 or 20?
Now watch all of the “give peace a chance” / “we're not the aggressors” deadbeats get all excited about their little rocket.
However, we should examine the bits that you have made us a present of. Not as link, I note. Just you typing.
“in accordance with the relevant resolutions of the United Nations and other regional and international organizations.”
There are NO, repeat NO, relevant resolutions of the United Nations. There is not one single binding resolution that the UK has to pay attention to. Neither is there any regional or international organisation to which the UK has to pay attention to unless it wants to. Incidentally, the words refer to a non-existent place. So much for point 26.
In regard to “point 28”, it is a joke. The Chagos archipelago was split from the Territories of Mauritius prior to Mauritian independence in 1965. See the previous point for the applicability of UN resolutions. In addition, and unfortunately for you, the United Kingdom, together with others, did not sign up to resolution 1514. And 2066 came from the C24. Therefore worthless.
“Point 29” is also a joke. In 1974 and 1976, Mayotte voted to forgo independence and retain its links with France. In March 2011, Mayotte officially became a department of metropolitan France.
Just attempts by self-important time-wasters to turn back history. Just goes to show that people like you are quite willing to ruin the lives of nearly 200,000 people for your pettiness.
“Light up the sky with standard fireworks.”
”daughter of a whore”.
What a lovely way with words these Argentine cats have
Silly Rgs, everyone will Recognize the LEGITIMATE RIGHTS because there aren't any
Words are pesky things
Funny El Think is up so very late every night, only posts when this side of the Atlantic is sleeping.
Maybe it's to get faster internet.
maybe it is some other reason
Pertinent piece¡
Could this apply to the non existant Falkland Islanders? Xenophobia is certainly the behaviour displayed by Argentina towards the Islanders. Possiby even racist.
What do you call the refusal to recognise the existance of a people?
Impolite does not cover it.
End of.
@113 Thank you for that link. I thought the comments were more than interesting. Especially the recognition of the “malvinista” input.
Ditto.
World Scenario:
Arg claim: warm support of Latam, Africa, Asia and in silence US.
Uk claim: cold support from some EU countries and some Commonwealth states .
other are decires...
Argentines say
In the coffee shops and steakhouses of a city that feels as much like Paris, Madrid and Rome as South America, middle-class locals expressed their exasperation over the government’s stranglehold on the economy and shared tips about where to obtain US dollars for foreign trips in the in the so-called “caves” (dens) for illegal currency exchanges.
“It’s an article of faith for Argentines that the Malvinas are our territory, but nobody is interested in this obsessive and inflammatory approach from Kirchner,” said Daniel Menendez, 41, a management consultant, as he shared a bottle of the country’s Malbec wine with friends in a Buenos Aires restaurant.
“We know that the reality is that the islanders consider themselves British, they are going to vote to remain British and nothing that is going to alter that.
“She is just whipping this up because the economy is a disaster and it’s an election year. The real problem in this country is not who runs the Malvinas, but how each day, she is making us more like Venezuela under Hugo Chavez.”
For working-class Argentines trying to stretch the weekly pay cheque as inflation hits 30 percent, the fate of the islands was also far from their minds.
“Britain this month joined the US and some other European states in announcing it would vote against loans to Argentina for non-poverty projects at the World Bank and Inter-American Development Bank because of the country’s financial malfeasance.”
They still do not understand the meaning of LIP SERVICE
Interesting and succinct article, manages to touch most bases.
Would challange a couple of points though.
“Mrs Kirchner, who turned 60 last week and whose looks are widely believed to have benefited from cosmetic surgery”
Benefited?
”She’s also a very mistrustful person who surrounds herself with a small cadre of yes men and yes women.”
Should that read - cadavers ?
www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Defence/article1220137.ece
So now we can see the hypocrisy of the current Argentine government.
Britain drops a crumb of the table,
And CFK thinks it’s an avalanche,
My how the fallen falls further.
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Beset by economic stagnation, Argentines are growing weary of President Cristina Kirchner's obsession with the Falklands, reports Philip Sherwell...'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9890078/Argentina-dispatch-the-troubled-reign-of-Queen-Cristina-of-Argentina.html
'United States argue with his position in Britain over the Falklands conflict - According to the English press, Secretary of State, John Kerry, will address the issue during his meeting with British Foreign Secretary William Hague'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1557604-estados-unidos-discutiria-con-gran-bretana-su-posicion-en-el-conflicto-por-las-malvinas
It is interesting what you point out - quite right.
I like hearing the perspective from you and “Yankeeboy” in the 'States.
There are differences between the US and the UK on this matter, just as there are between individuals on the same 'side'. As someone said, “like a family”.
An unfortunate element of the whole 'we want the Malvinas - give them back to us' issue is the anti-Anglo sentiment, really a form of racism.
An easy emotional appeal to Argentina's Latin neighbours, it is harder to make the argument, logically, to the UN and the world stage.
Hence, they slag the UN as 'dominated by the US and UK' when it suits them. Obviously, they feel they will get racial sympathy from the African nations - at least the ones not benefitting from being in the Commonwealth.
Were South Africa or Ghana at that Conference??
I would go so far as to say, their inferred racism has, as mentioned by others, made the distrustful UK and FI dig their heels more resolutely than ever. Additionally, it has emphasised the bond between the UK and US, especially with the abandonment of the $$$b debt owed to IMF and others.
It is interesting that as the impending Referendum
looms, and the econmy implodes, the Argies are starting to thrash wildly.
- CFK is hiding in her bunker after being Boo'ed and jeered at the latest rally. Popularity at an all-time low.
- Timerman sent on a 'mission of provocation' and 'non-negotiating' to British Parliament and Mr. Hague. Failed to get a rise out of UK - spectacular failure.
- Timerman and meeting if 'prominent Europeans' - nobody noticed and no participants signed the 'declaration'.
- A hastily cobbled together 'African' Convention to denounce European colonialism - very transparent, nobody noticed, and attendees only gave 'lip service'.
Meanwhile, back at MercoPress, the Trolls have all had their leaves cancelled, to harass the Falklanders and trash the Referendum.
Desperately, they are getting more and more reckless!!
:-D
She's mad as a hatter!
'She' is more likely a 'he' - Sussie used to post with an obsession over violent anal sex, 'arses', and penises. *rolls eyes*
We will always side with the UK, always! No matter what Prez we have there is huge support in Senate, Congress, Business and population to get him to act on the UK's behalf.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!
Admiral Sir John “Sandy” Woodward in a letter to the Daily Telegraph said Washington was pushing for negotiations over sovereignty and “significantly the Islands are already being called the Malvinas by the US”.
With the end of the Cold War and emergence of Asian powers NATO and Britain were not as important to Washington which in 1982 played a significant part in providing satellite intelligence and missiles to British forces.
“We can no longer rely on the Pentagon to support us in helping the Islanders in their wish to remain essentially British sovereign territory,” he wrote.
This means Britain can now do “precisely nothing” to prevent Argentina retaking the Falklands.
If as is likely significant oil reserves are found around the Islands then pressure from Argentina will be immense to share in the riches.
The US would support an Argentine “accommodation” as its national interest supports stability in the area. “This tells us all too clearly which way the wind is blowing”.
en.mercopress.com/2011/06/13/us-main-interest-is-a-stable-argentina-warns-falklands-task-force-head
uk is FINISHED! USA has no longer interest in supporting a bankrupt country..They are not going to make any money with them...
Oh dear, could it possibly be the presence of the British armed forces?
Diddums, never mind. Why don't you put pressure on for a share in the Islanders natural resources. My guess is the second word of their reply will be. off!
World Scenario: With loans blocked by Germany, Italy, UK and US, argies reduced to eating each other. Not the classic sexual meaning. In the slum streets of Buenos Aires, arms and legs may be hacked off to provide an evening meal. Heads are left. Nothing in them anyway. Will the “daughter of a whore” be getting the prime cuts?
@134 What “future argentine presidents”, Sussie? Argieland is headed for forced “dissolution”. It's not right that a “state” founded on theft and genocide, demonstrably guilty of corruption, criminality, fraud, mendacity, mass psychosis, paedophilia, treachery, war crimes and xenophobia should be allowed to continue. There are also the small matters of unwarranted attack, invasion, occupation and failure to comply with a BINDING UN Security Council resolution. Why is this sewage slop pit allowed to continue to exist? In times gone past, there was an explanation of how many of one's nationals had to be assaulted to be grounds for war. The answer is simple. ONE! The sewage slop pit of latam KILLED 255 British servicemen. It wounded 775. It KILLED 3 Falkland Islanders. Still it whinges. Has it apologised? Has it made or paid reparations? How many argie scumbags is ONE British soldier or ONE Falkland Islander worth? 250,000? More? Do the math. The sewage farm of latam must be destroyed. Argie “ex-pats” must be tracked down and exterminated! The word “argentina” should appear only in history books. A brief note about a criminal state that was allowed to exist for 150 years too long!
@137 Tell us, faggot, have you ever heard of “realpolitik”? Allow me to explain. Long before the latino sewage slop pit could do ANYTHING. There was a recent launch of a BRITISH Trident II D5 missile. Do you understand why? You're already in the crosshairs. Watch the skies! May be the last thing your dying eyes ever see!
The USA may be officially quiet because of those stupid ass Pan American treaties in which the USA started questioning the relevance of OAS, but unofficially will never abandon the UK.
Why do you malvinassholes and peronidiots and kirchnerholes realize that argentina is in the same bed with chubby chavo......dead.
Uruguay has learned not to believe a word the Argentine gov't says, and I'm pretty sure the same goes for the other South American democracies.
Better just leave the tramp in his skip.
Do you, perchance work for the the US State Dept. as an advisor.
You seem to have a brilliant insight to the thought processes of the Secretary of State. I am sure that he will have contacted you before his talk with our Foreign Secretary to benefit from your wisdom on all the world's pressing problems, of which, of course, the Falklands are the most important.
I look forward to the joint statement wherein he tells the UK that they MUST hand over the islands to Argentina, with an apology and reparations, and that the UK and the USA are no longer friends. Argentina now holds premier place as the USA's number one ally.
Because the US has refused to change its position the referendum is a failure.
Kerry arrived today, news states that the talks will be about Syria, the Middle East Peace Process, North Korea and Iran nuclear proliferation. The Falklands are likey to be brought up.
They are not high on the agenda, they are likey to concerntrate on the Middle East Peace Process, progress in that area is seen has being Obama's goal , his chance to leave a legacy of his last term in office.
The Falkland Islands are not high on the list of the USA foreign affairs priorities. They will maintain their neutral stance, no change from 1982.
It is the UK government, whipped by the UK media sites, that wants to raise the Las Malvinas issue. In the US the government's position of neutrality is completely uncontroversial.
“But the US has told the UK that it is unimpressed by the referendum. This constitutes the dilemma for the UK that Las Malvinas presents”
Can you link that for me? Because offically they are neutral, unofficially they are not.
All the Int'l screeching Rg have done all over the world has not changed our position.
You all made a serious misjudgement in 1982 and it looks like you're making the same mistake again.
Not a bright people.
You can’t win with them,
If the Americans said [we support the British]
They would be here Slagging the Americans of,
But if the American stated that they supported Argentina,
These fools will think they won the lottery,
You just can’t have it both ways,
And they will remain neutral.
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Not my cup of tea, but it does sound interesting.
And where do you get this startling information from, pray tell?
Don't be shy, don't hold back.
l'm(& no doubt we) are all ears.
What will b.s come up with next? McDod is really Admiral Lord West of Spithead? Or Sandy Woodward?
Come on tell us another funny please!
I as Redpoll am actually the reincarnation of the Barber of Seville perhaps?
Snotty is really one of the cardinals under butlers in the Vatican. Come on you can do better than that! Use your imagination!
and you wonder why the world laughs at you.
CFK loonies .
The UK's aim is to get the US to change its position from one of neutrality to support for its position. The referendum has not achieved this aim. The question for the UK is what actions can they take to get the US to change its position from neutrality to support. My answer is that there is nothing that they can do. So, it follows that the UK will return Las Malvinas to Argentina within 25 years.
[it hasnt started yet]
we dont need the USA to beat you,
and the islands will remain british,
And again you live in fairy land.
The US does not need to come out and publically support us, we know they do.
The next time Argentina has a 'shit-fit' at the UN, it would be nice to have them recognise the wishes of the islanders, and realise that the Argie delegation is full of cra.. hot air.
More to the point, why do you so ardently not want it to happen?
:-D
Probably for the same reason why CFK talks to every man and woman she passes or to anyone that listens..
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Jumping ahead of the gun, will just get yourself shot .lol.
Craying.? No comprendo. No speako dago.
We are in full possession of our lslands and are sure of our rights to do so.
We completely “reject”(one of Argentina's favourite words)Argentina's ridiculous “claims” but would like to have a good neighbour relationship with you.
Sovereignty will never be discussed as, quite frankly, there is nothing to discuss & anyway we refuse.
Would you discuss Argentina's sovereignty with a belligerent foreign country?
Of course not & neither will we.
And please get our country's name right. These are the Falkland lslands.
Las Malvinas only exist in fantasyland.
Thank you.
@171 Steve Folgers,
You, my friend, are a complete raving lunatic. Disappear.
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I do not follow your logic:
You say that the US position of neutrality will not change from where it has been for the past 180 years. Except during the conflict of 1982 caused by you, when they came down on the British side except to request that we dont “humiliate you”.
So, if nothing changes from the 180 year old position, how will the islands be “returned” to Argentina in 25 years?
They cant be ”reuturned to Argentina, as Argentina never had them. The only times that Argentina or its precursors had the islands was for 2 months in 1832 and 2 months in 1982, both humiliating examples which i am amazed you wish to recall.
Please be clear, the islands will NEVER be Argentine. They may one day be an independent state, but will NEVER be Argentine. Hopefully that is clear to you.
I don't know why you think I was humiliated by in 1832 or 1982. (Did I slip and fall or expose myself in public?) I was not alive in 1832 and I was not involved in any way with the Argentinian administration of Las Malvinas in 1982. So I feel strangely un-humiliated by the events of either of those years.
One thing is certain, if Las Malvinas ever attempts to declare independent from the UK Argentina will extend its administration to the territory to stop it becoming a haven for terrorists.
I think that once you have re examined your assumptions you will find my logic easier to follow.
As you identify, you were not born in 1832 as were no posters on these boards. However, your own government can feel “outrage”, “disappointment”, “unjust” etc etc about what happened but you are unable to feel “humiliation”.
Equally, in 1982, the military junta of Argentina didn't invade the Falklands, Argentina did. Interestingly as soon as Argentina lost the war, the Junta was overthrown...if they were that unpopular why didn't you overthrow them before??
The answer is obvious.
The Falklands can become an independent state and still get defence from a third party. Perhaps they could join NATO?? LOL.
There is no circumstance where the islands will become under Argentine control against the wishes of the inhabitants. NONE. There are three eventualities.
1) BOT where Argentina winges, moans and complains..I.e. status quo
2) BOT where Argentina grows up, trades, shares in the regional prosperity
3) Independent state still protected by UK
There is no Argentine province option
Hmm that may be why we're building up there...
maybe
“Argentina will extend its administration to the territory to stop it becoming a haven for terrorists.”
Amplify this please.
Scenario 1)
Argentina can declare that the Falklands are under their control. No one will pay any attention to this -we have heard it all before.
Scenario 2 )
Argentina will deploy forces to physically take over the islands, Bad news for your forces who attempt this.
The Falklands will invoke their defence treaty with the UK who will deal with the matter to the great detriment of Argentina.
What are you talking about support or none support visa vi any nation is totally irrelevant. The issue is purely a legal one, so the politics is just so much useless pot-banging, with out the power to effect any change in the status quo. The UK has the legal sovereignty, therefor the islanders have the right under the ICJ rulings to self-determination. In addition Argentina has acquiesced by her tacit acceptance of the referendum; i.e. she has taken no legal steps to prevent it.
...And there is Argentina's peaceful solution for the Falklands. For that to be certain, you might want your government to invest in boats that can actually float and don't have sails. And don't think about using Tango1, as the Falklanders will confiscate it.
“Well US administration, the US being an American country, would be a big improvement over the present situation.”
So we're back to your, Hepatia's (Argentina's?? I don't expect that you speak for ALL the Argentinian people), reason for wanting to subjugate/ eliminate/ expel the current inhabitants of the Falkland Islands, your own hate and racism towards the British.
You appear to be much more accepting of a different country 'administering' the Falklands, even though it is essentially the status quo.
You accept the US,
- English language, not a Latin language
- not from the Southern Hemisphere
- No 'territorial integrity'
- US would 'militarise' -maintain their own defence forces
- Fslklands would not be 'integrated' into USA - ie. made a full State
- Self-Governing Territory status would remain similar
- US would offset 'Administration Costs' by exploiting resources within the EEZ
- Same freedom of religion
- same freedom of the press
Unless you have an overwhelming need to have the people of the Falklands drive on the right and take that lady's picture off the stamps,
what reason could there be, to want the British out, while accepting the US ????
Just like in the 'missile' thread, you have revealed yourself for what you are, an anti-British hater and racist.
I suggest that you are just plain spiteful and have a personal axe to grind.
Nothing more.
Neither do I think that the present occupants of Las Malvinas should be subjugated or expelled. As far as I know nobody is proposing this.
“: As a matter of fact I speak for exactly zero Argentinians.”
- who DO you speak for then??
Let's not be cryptic.
Is it just your personal grudge, as I said @186. ??
@188 Hepatia
“Neither do I think that the present occupants of Las Malvinas should be subjugated or expelled. As far as I know nobody is proposing this.”
Here is what I said @186
”So we're back to your, Hepatia's (Argentina's?? I don't expect that you speak for ALL the Argentinian people), reason for wanting to subjugate/ eliminate/ expel the current inhabitants of the Falkland Islands... “
You believe that you are entitled to take over the Falklands and are demanding it from the UK, UN, US, and world community.
What will happen to the inhabitants,??
The peaceful Falklanders, despite what your propaganda states, are descendents of a continuous, non-aggressive culture for 180 years who are exercising free will - a self governing society.
If you 'take the islands back', and impose your administration and culture, against their will, won't they be subjugated???
You will not expel them or drive them out??
Won't that just leave ”eliminate” the population???
Lets not play this childish cat & mouse game.
- what ARE your plans for the current inhabitants of the Fslklands, the British and other nationalities, who don't want you there???
A). Deportation & if they resist, forced deportation or extermination.
(they've done it all before)
Deportation/Extermination--war of the Desert 1880.
Extermination--dirty war 1970s-1982.
And they think that for just one minute that we should trust them:-
“to respect our rights” ha ha ha!
l'd rather trust a boemslang.
Unfortunately the Tri-Border area is not, obviously the 3 countries are too inept to manage their own territory and don't worry we have plenty of resources to take over the area and it seems like we are moving into Paraguay every day.
The truth is that I have no interest in Las Malvinas other than as a commentator.
I think intercourse with you would be a lot easier if you where not, to be direct, a raving conspiracy nut. The underlying proposition directs you conversation is basically a [i]petitio principii[/i] fallacy. You can break the circle by examining your assumptions. So, you see, I am not playing a childish cat and mouse game with you. You are playing with yourself.
Don't forget the large Palestinian population on the Brazilian side of the binational town of Chui (or Chuy) on the Uruguayan-Brazilian frontier.
is your fault
the UK knew after the 1982 invasion argieland is the enemy
no puerto argentinos for the brits
full stop
boring full stop
“ Well, I don't have any plans for the current inhabitants if Las Malvinas. But, even if I did, I am not the Evil Dr No. I am just a little old lady. So, even if I had plans for Las Malvinas or its inhabitants, I would not be able to execute. So you can be doubly assured that you are safe from me.
The truth is that I have no interest in Las Malvinas other than as a commentator.
I think intercourse with you would be a lot easier if you where not, to be direct, a raving conspiracy nut.”
Typical Argentine, or I should say 'Malvinista“ tactic - being dismissive, trivialising the issue and ridiculing those who question you.
You want to dismiss me as a ”conspiracy nut“ for asking about the Islanders, when their fate is precisely the core of the conflict.
Since you won't state whether you are Argentine or not, I will say that you, and the Argentine government, the Malvinistas, trivialise the rights of the Falkland Islanders by not including them in any discussions about the islands, and in fact Timerman has said he will not consider their ” wishes“.
You know full well that according to the UN, the UK, and the Falklanders themselves, the SELF DETERMINATION of the inhabitants must be considered.
Minimising their importance as 'less than a people', by portraying them as ”squatters“ , ”pirates“, and ”criminals” only illustrates Argentina's disregard for basic human rights, consistent with their history.
As I said before, despite your pontificating, your position is legally and morally indefensible.
Resorting to ridicule underlines your arrogance and lack of a real argument.
Mar 01st, 2013 - 07:15 am
Hepatia is NOT Argentine, it is Dutch!!!!!!!
Thank you, Simon. For some reason Hepatia was being a bit coy about that.
He portrays himself as a neutral “commentator” and a “little old lady”.
However, he/she seems to be driven by the same values as the Malvinistas and the Peronists, and has demonstrated a recurring strong anti-British bias.
Being Dutch or an Afrikaaner might make his viewpoint easier to understand, but even 'little old ladies' need to abide by a moral code.
Poor Britons falling deeper and deeper in every sence...
Now they are attacking a nice Dutch Lady because her free opinions don’t match Britons lunatics points of view.
Sad very sad
What next? beating little boys?
Oh! I forgot that you already have done that just disgusting...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDUMi53l2rI
Talking about moral code...
www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/01/argentina-debt-president-idUSL1N0BT2HQ20130301?feedType=RSS&feedName=marketsNews&rpc=43
Off topic and gratuitous, Dany.
Is that video from your private collection??
That have being the position of Argentina since the debt restructuring what's new?
The VF will never get pay if they don't comply with Argentina's law so they have to get into the “canje” else they never will get paid.
So VF are losing their battle with Argentina, years of legal battle an not one cent.
@Troy Tempest
Do you want more?
You are the one taking great glee at violence against people.
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/04/argentina-to-blast-vulture-funds-at-the-g20-ministerial-meeting-in-mexico
``We are never going to pay the vulture funds. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't understood a thing,'' Economy Minister Hernan Lorenzino said via Twitter late on Monday.
I see the trolls taking the time to get it out of their asshole and claim......“that's what we said all along”. Yet a CNBC interview and a speech at last year's G20 says otherwise.
Why do you have trouble resolving,
`We are never going to pay the vulture funds'
with
swapping the debt for a fraction of the original figure, and then converted into the monopoly money Argentina uses as currency.
Can anyone tell me if it is cheaper to buy toilet roll, or just wipe your arse on pesos?
never mind ass long you have warm water
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