Saturday, February 23rd 2013 - 06:22 UTC

Russian cruise, once frequent Falklands visitor, adrift in the North Atlantic

A Russian cruise ship Lyubov Orlova, at one time a frequent summer visitor to the Falklands, abandoned and adrift in the North Atlantic has been located about 2.400 kilometres off the west coast of Ireland.

Lyubov Orlova has been spotted drifting towards the Irish coast

With no crew or warning lights, the Russian built Lyubov Orlova has been adrift for two months and maritime authorities had been uncertain of its precise location.

According to a document from the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the Lyubov Orlova has been spotted at the coordinates 49-22.70N and 044-51.34W, or roughly 1300 nautical miles from the Irish coast.

The details were listed in a Daily Memorandum Atlantic Edition, a maritime update put out by the intelligence agency, which analyses satellite imagery and creates detailed maps for the US government.

With only rats as its passengers, the Lyubov Orlova had left Canada's shores on January 23 to be towed to a scrap-yard in the Dominican Republic. But a day later, the cable snapped, leaving it stranded in international waters.

It was then secured by the Atlantic Hawk, a supply vessel in the offshore oil industry, which managed to take the ship under tow before it drifted off yet again.

Canada's transport authority has said the ship - abandoned for two years - was no longer its concern, as the vessel had left the country's waters. But officials said the owner was responsible for its movements.

Earlier this week, Canadian officials acknowledged they did not know the location of the ship, as the vessel's global positioning system was no longer working. But the information locating the ship shows the derelict vessel is slowly heading towards Europe, having drifted at least 800 kilometres toward the European coastline.

The vessel which is a sister ship to Clipper Adventurer was seized at St John’s, Newfoundland, reportedly due to unpaid debts of 251,000 US dollars owed to the charterer, Cruise North Expeditions after a cruise was cancelled due to faults with the vessel.

The vessel, which ran aground at Deception Island in 2006, but was towed off safely, had been tied up in the St. John’s harbour for more than two years.

 

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1 Think (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 07:17 am Report abuse
TWIMC

How strange…….................

An article about an old Malvinas ship, cruising from America to Ireland with Canadian rats as only passengers…….
And......
An article about a European Queendom’s economy being down rated by a moody American Company…..

Yet not a word about the III Africa-South America (ASA) Summit, just ended in Malabo, Equatorial Guinea......

On this III Summit, attended by many South-American and African presidents, it was decided to integrate Central America & the Caribbean to the organization…..

And, I nearly forgot,……..:

The 54 member Countries of the African Union decided, in unison, to recognize “Argentina’s legitimate sovereignty rights over the Malvinas, Georgias & Sandwich del Sur Islands, including all the adjacent maritime territories”
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-214476-2013-02-23.html

This would never happen in a serious South-Atlantic News Agency….
Chuckle chuckle©
2 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 08:17 am Report abuse
Wow think, youv'e really blown us out of the water with that.

Oh dear, the FIG/UK better adhere to the opinion of that group of 54 bull-shitters immediately!
3 Anglotino (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 08:24 am Report abuse
Mmmmm how strange!

Nothing in this article about the UK's credit rating.
Nothing in this article an Africa-South America summit.
Nothing in this article about the African Union.

And if that wasn't interesting enough.....
Nothing in this article about “an old Malvinas ship”.

What was in the article?
A ship that was impounded for unpaid debts..... sound familiar to anyone?

No wonder Think was so quick to comment.

Assets frozen and sold for unpaid debts in another country is just so....... Argentinean.
4 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 08:50 am Report abuse
@1 Sr Think, that's a pretty impressive diplomatic victory, a historic first even. I can't wait to read the actual declaration, just to be sure someone isn't telling porkie pies.
5 agent999 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:13 am Report abuse
@1 El Think

The document urges the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume negotiations with Argentina to find as soon as possible a just, peaceful and definitive solution to the dispute, in accordance with the relevant resolutions United Nations and other regional and international organizations.

The document DOES NOT SAY ”54 African countries joined ”South America to recognize the legitimate rights of sovereignty of Argentina over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas.”

What do you expect for an article that originated in TELAM.
6 lsolde (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 09:44 am Report abuse
@1 Think,
Quick, malvinistas, go looking for that drifting Russian ship.
lts probably in far better condition than anything that your navy has.
At least its still afloat!
7 reality check (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:20 am Report abuse
Agent999
It's all a matter of interpretation, whereas you and I would call it a distortion of the actual text, a polite way of saying lies, they would call it an exercise in political licence, often demonstrated in their quotation of numerous UN resolutions and historical data.
8 Martin Woodhead (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:07 am Report abuse
Unlike an argentine naval ship its still a float and gave the bailiffs the slip
9 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:19 am Report abuse
@Think STINK, guess you should read this SS KIRCHNER will be at home with a few of her AFRICAN buddies

http://100r.org/corruption-allstars/
10 ChrisR (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:27 am Report abuse
@6 Isolde

But you forgot the rats.

They have to be infinitely better at handling the ship than the argies who sunk the thing in port. :o)
11 thorpeman (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 11:42 am Report abuse
Why dont we show Argentina what our torpedoes are capable of & just junk it to the bottom of the sea while its miles away from doing anyone any harm?
12 Conqueror (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
@11 Can't do that! It was being towed toward latin america. So that's where it must go. It's probably part of argieland's “territorial integrity”. And the rats will provide argieland with a new, higher class group of immigrants.
13 Raul (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
1 Think

Another failure of diplomacy of the United Kingdom

You are absolutely right. It's not news that hides and transgiversa Mercopress news that is adverse to the UK.
World public opinion can no longer be deceived by England. As you study and know the Falklands conflict, sees an increasing number of countries and world organizations are in favor of Argentina. Res.2065 UN) Decolonization Committee of the United Nations, OAS, CELAC, UNASUR, MERCOSUR, PARLATINO, and now in the declaration, which closed yesterday Summit Africa-South America (ASA), in Equatorial Guinea. The position of African countries was reflected in the “Declaration of Malabo”, capital of Guinea.

It shows again that as time progresses, the islanders British referendum is irrelevant, since it is a tautology. It solves the problem that is the sovereignty of the islands.

What you should do is meet England international law and comply with UN resolutions and decolonization committee to resolve the conflict. It is increasingly evident that Argentina bet to peace and dialogue. UK commitment to intimidation and violence. The world clearly sees both positions,

See the following link

tiempo.infonews.com/2013/02/23/argentina-96992-argentina-sumo-apoyos-por-malvinas.php
14 JohnN (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
From the Canadian point of view, a derelict ship 2 400 kms west of Ireland puts it about 600 kms East of Newfoundland, so no problem for it coming ashore. However, its stated location put it much closer to many offshore oil platforms, known collectively as the Hibernia Oil Field. Good that it appears to be moving Eastwards away from the Field, but not that it should remain a problem in much-used shipping lanes.

Hibernia Oil Field location (zoom in to Newfoundland's East Coast):
www.oilandgasinfrastructure.com/home/oilandgasnorthamerica/canada
15 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
@13 Raul, how does that link add anything to what has gone before? Do you really believe that “The 54 countries joined South Africa to recognize the ”legitimate rights of sovereignty of Argentina over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas” during the Third Summit of South American-forum Africa (ASA) ? I don't believe that's what the declaration will say.
16 Raul (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
15 Doveoverdover

No need for me to explain. You have enough critical judgment to darde account. Although you may not believe, the world no longer tolerates English colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century.

Read it yourself and you'll understand:

www.lanacion.com.ar/1557182-todos-los-paises-de-africa-reconocieron-los-derechos-argentinos-sobre-malvinas
17 redpoll (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
Send the Argentine to sink the wreck! Is Mr Davidoff the South Georgia scrap merchant still around? He could salvage it under current Admiralty law. But the RG animal rights people would probably sue him for infringing the rights of our Brothers the rats who have taken possesion of the ship
18 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
@16 Raul, I'm not expecting you to explain. The account in several Argentinian news outlets is almost identical and probably all come from the same Argentinian Government source. I have read the articles in the papers but I prefer to wait to read the official communique/declaration.

As for world toleration, I'm afraid you are 3200 mils out. It's apparent that the world does tolerate 19th Century British colonialism as represented by the status quo in the Falkland Islands. That's why the status quo goes on and on and there is not a UN protectorate imposed in its place.
19 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
Argies - if you think you have soveriegnty go to the international court of justice and get it enforced..... But you can't can you? You don't have soveriegnty do you?

As for colonialism, Falklanders live there, they were born there, their ancestors lived there. YOU ARE THE COLONIALISTS. Go back to Spain and Italy and give the land back to the cartoneros, the Indians whose ancestors YOU slaughtered when you colonised their land.

You are not only wrong you are pathetic and your pieces of paper signed by petty dictators mean nothing - take it to a court!
20 Think (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
(4) Mr. McDod
You say...:

“.....that's a pretty impressive diplomatic victory, a historic first even. I can't wait to read the actual declaration, just to be sure someone isn't telling porkie pies.....”

I say.....:
Jupppppp.................
Nice job indeed for an afternoon, just before the ubiquitous friday pint or three.....
We will, of course, wait nicely for the ”Official Confirmation.....

Cheers...
21 andy65 (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
@20 Think So sad you can not express your Argentine views from within Argentina.
What is it that keeps you and your family from living there??????
22 briton (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
Has been adrift for two months and maritime authorities had been uncertain of its precise location
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Am I dreaming or what,
21st century, and no one can detect a little ship, [joke]
Adrift in the north Atlantic,

Still
Is it a ghost ship, or another conspiracy theory .mmm
.
23 Conqueror (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
@22 It's been close to argieland. Notice that no-one has said that the “rats” are little, furry rodents. They are actually argies in (not much) “disguise”. Look for pictures of the so-called argie “government”. How many of them actually look, and act, like rats.
24 briton (#) Feb 23rd, 2013 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
ha ha,
im surprise they aint claimed it as one theirs.lol.
25 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 12:56 am Report abuse
It hasn't sunk or been impounded yet so it can't be an Argie vessel?
26 Frank (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 01:56 am Report abuse
'The ASA Summit III was conducted from 20-23 February 2013 in the city of Malabo , Equatorial Guinea with the participation of 20 heads of state including Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, and his Bolivian counterpart Evo Morales.' and Titman.... seems TMBoA isn't game to leave the country anymore.....

Only 20 of the 60 something members could be bothered fronting ......some organisation.
27 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:34 am Report abuse
@21 Andy

It's Panto Time, again,

I'm laughing at the interplay between Rsul and Dover and Dover and Think.

I can't help but think of it as the dramatic devices play dates and authors use to fill in the audience to histories of events, or introduce information.

Glaringly, 'Dame Dover' tells us that story of the African conference has been reported on many Argentine news sites ( does he follow them all? ) and the stories and translations are very very consistent.

Then “Think” offers a rebuke to “Dover”, perhaps to lend credibility to what he says... ?

What an act !!!
28 lsolde (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 07:17 am Report abuse
@27 Troy Tempest,
Don't drive the idiots underground though.
They are highly entertaining. lol!
@24 briton,
lf it ever enters the South Atlantic they will surely claim it as its in “their” sea.
lt could be their new flagship! lol!
29 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 07:30 am Report abuse
Doverandover/Raul - Or if you are tyhe same person (which I suspect you are)

Please stop verbally masturbating in front of everybody.
30 Think (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 08:53 am Report abuse
To: Mr. Mc.Dod & Mr. The Chilean Perspective….

Well……….
Here it is………

The Official Transcription of the Malabo Declaration (2013)...:

We, Heads of State and Government of Africa and South America, meeting at our Third Africa-South America Summit (ASA) in Malabo, Equatorial Guinea from 20-22 February 2013……………..

26. We recognize the legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas Islands, South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands, and the surrounding maritime areas, and urge the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume negotiations with the Argentine Republic in order to find, as soon as possible, a fair, peaceful and definitive solution to the dispute, in accordance with the relevant resolutions of the United Nations and other regional and international organizations.

Point 28 makes good reading too…..:
”28. We reaffirm that the Chagos Archipelago, including Diego Garcia, which was unlawfully excised by the former colonial power……..”

As does Point 29….:
”29. We reaffirm that the Comorian Island of Mayotte, which was unlawfully excised by the former French colonial power…….”

www.itamaraty.gov.br/sala-de-imprensa/notas-a-imprensa/iii-cupula-de-chefes-de-estado-e-de-governo-america-do-sul-africa-asa-declaracao-de-malabo

Hope that the Brazilian Foreign Office / Itamaraty), is reliable enough for you, my respected ideological web foes….
31 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:43 am Report abuse
@30 Sr Think,

Thank you and good morning.

It's indeed good enough for me to compare and contrast your initial interpretation and the official declaration.

“We recognize the legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas Islands, South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands, and the surrounding maritime areas.”

“The 54 member Countries of the African Union decided, in unison, to recognize “Argentina’s legitimate sovereignty rights over the Malvinas, Georgias & Sandwich del Sur Islands, including all the adjacent maritime territories””

You know as well as I do that the different placing of the word “sovereignty” makes for a quite different interpretation. At the risk of inflaming the late Mr Anderson's puppet poster, even I recognise the legitimate rights of Argentina in the dispute and, I believe, so does the UK Government. How could we do otherwise when there is an acknowledged dispute? But just what are those legitimate rights? To do whatever is legally and politically appropriate to advance its cause in the dispute I would suggest.

As for unison, I think it's safe to say that is an exaggeration but, given the circumstances, a fair extrapolation. I associate myself and my family with it's sentiment.

The world of diplomacy is a strange place but I do understand how it works and how it once attracted the brightest and best to the FCO.

Regards as always....
32 Think (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:54 am Report abuse
(31) Mr. McDod

We coud discuss endlessy about the placing or meaning of words in any UN resolution......
I think we would agree that life's too short for that.....
I think we could also agree about this resolution being slightlymore positive to the Argentinean than to the British interests in the South Atlantic...;-)

Anyhow, in my humble opinion, the pivotal points of the Malabo declaration are…:

“49. We take note that Africa maintains its common position on the UN Reform, as stipulated in the Ezulwini Consensus and the Sirte Declaration of the African Union Assembly of Heads of State and Government of July 2005, and reaffirm our commitment to the conclusion of the global process of the UN Reform.”

And

“50. We welcome the on-going efforts aimed at reforming the United Nations in order to render the Organization better equipped to deal with the current challenges to international peace and security. In this regard, we call for the urgent reform of the Security Council as an essential element of our overall effort to reform the United Nations. We express support for its enlargement in order to make it more broadly representative of developing countries, enhance its efficiency, transparency, legitimacy and its effectiveness. We call for the revitalization of the United Nations General Assembly and the Economic and Social Council.”

Them Malvinas Isles are no more than a useful anti-colonialist tool or a sacrificial pawn, depending of which side you are on…

Have a nice Sunday.....
33 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 10:13 am Report abuse
@32

Before I do head off to the cliffs for a constitutional with the dogs....

In a forum where most people post endlessly about who did what on a Friday morning in 1774 etc etc there is always time to discuss the semantics of a topical declaration.

The small pile of feathers that is the Argentinean political case has indeed had another very small and light one added.

The Islands are and always have been a sideshow in the transition of the UK from a rich colonialist imperial superpower to rich something else.

You have nice one too.
34 ChrisR (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 10:22 am Report abuse
I bet when the rats get off the boat in BsAs they will immediately get high level jobs at the Casa Rosada.
35 Think (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 11:26 am Report abuse
(33) Mr. McDod

I can see see that you had some time to come over yesterday’s Malabo Declaration surprise and that your British Stiff Upper Lip and Haughtiness are again running at 100%.

Great Britain’s geopolitical colonial ambitions have NO friends in Africa, Asia or South America…
Get use to it…

Besides….
Sending pinkish English born, breed and trained people, that have made their fortunes poaching fish of the Argentinean coast and invested those ill gained monies in luxury retirement mansions in Provence, to represent them islands to the UN and other International Fora is not helping your cause a bit….
36 Orbit (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
@1 .... That's because a ship being adrift is “news”, as in new information, whereas Argentina demanding that random people - that don't actually give a toss - sign something about the fictitious Malvinas is not “news”.
37 Anglotino (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
Aaah finally it's here! Thanks to Think and his inordinate ability to ignore all the failings of his country as it comes crashing down around his ears. He clamours for any minor perceived victory.

Alas.....

I especially loved this part:
“26. We recognize the legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas Islands, South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands, and the surrounding maritime areas, and urge the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume negotiations with the Argentine Republic in order to find, as soon as possible, a fair, peaceful and definitive solution to the dispute, in accordance with the relevant resolutions of the United Nations and other regional and international organizations.”

It is absolutely perfect. This is exactly what I think too. Indeed it is what most countries think.

“We recognize the legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas Islands, South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands, and the surrounding maritime areas”

Emphasis on the LEGITIMATE RIGHTS. If they aren't legitimate then there are no rights. So that rules out...... well all those areas.

Tick for the United Kingdom.

They “urge the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume negotiations with the Argentine Republic in order to find, as soon as possible, a fair, peaceful and definitive solution to the dispute”

Last time I checked it was Argentina that would not meet to discuss this issue. The UK has always been peaceful about this issue.

Another tick for the United Kingdom.

“in accordance with the relevant resolutions of the United Nations”
Well as all UN resolutions are subordinate to the UN Charter, then all these countries just reaffirmed self-determination as set out in Chapter 1, Article 1, Part 2.

Another tick for the United Kingdom.

Actually there doesn't seem to be anything new here.... so why are so many Argentines so excited?
38 reality check (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
Think
Please list the British Geopolitical Colonial Ambitions in Africa, Asia and South America, which you will agree encompasses a vast area of the globe. I was not aware we had any?
39 Conqueror (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:05 pm Report abuse
@30 You are funny. I've made a few searches but I can't find any believable source for this so-called “Declaration”.

However, we should examine the bits that you have made us a present of. Not as link, I note. Just you typing.

“in accordance with the relevant resolutions of the United Nations and other regional and international organizations.”

There are NO, repeat NO, relevant resolutions of the United Nations. There is not one single binding resolution that the UK has to pay attention to. Neither is there any regional or international organisation to which the UK has to pay attention to unless it wants to. Incidentally, the words refer to a non-existent place. So much for point 26.
In regard to “point 28”, it is a joke. The Chagos archipelago was split from the Territories of Mauritius prior to Mauritian independence in 1965. See the previous point for the applicability of UN resolutions. In addition, and unfortunately for you, the United Kingdom, together with others, did not sign up to resolution 1514. And 2066 came from the C24. Therefore worthless.
“Point 29” is also a joke. In 1974 and 1976, Mayotte voted to forgo independence and retain its links with France. In March 2011, Mayotte officially became a department of metropolitan France.

Just attempts by self-important time-wasters to turn back history. Just goes to show that people like you are quite willing to ruin the lives of nearly 200,000 people for your pettiness.
40 Simon68 (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
39 Conqueror (#)
Feb 24th, 2013 - 02:05 pm

Conk, herewith a link to the Malabo Declaratrion:

www.safpi.org/news/article/2013/malabo-declaration-part-1

Have a good day.
41 briton (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
As we said, lip service only,
Now then,
If the British bowed to African demands and meekly gave the Falklands and everything else back just because the mighty Africa demanded,
Then and only then would the unmighty CFK have that elusive victory,

But alas,
This time next year the Falklands will still be British,
Argentina will still be ruled by someone,
And Africa will still hold out the begging bowl,

Nothing changes ..
.
42 lsolde (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
The corrupt Africans should concentrate in fixing their own rundown, poor nations instead of sticking their noses into something that is none of their business.
Some support, Argentina, ha!
What are your new friends going to do about it? Nothing, of course.
Argentina, a failed rogue state cosying up to other corrupt, ineffectual & rogue states.
Laughable.
43 briton (#) Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
Talk about rogues gallery .lol..
44 Frank (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 03:39 am Report abuse
I see two champions of democracy didn't front at this year's ASA meet.... Chavez and Gadaffi.
45 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 08:37 am Report abuse
@44 They have scheduled a bilateral later this year.
46 Anglotino (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 09:23 am Report abuse
LMAO!!!!
47 reality check (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
Now that's what I call a punchline. LMAO2
48 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
@46 and 47 Steady on chaps, you don't want to encourage me now do you?
49 redpoll (#) Feb 25th, 2013 - 11:36 pm Report abuse
@48 Of course Dove over Dover. Your flights of fancy are not to be missed even though some of them, like homing pigeons come home to roost
Another pink gin wil probably encourage you to further efforts Commander perhaps
50 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:03 am Report abuse
@49 Don't mind if I do. After all, the sun is over the yard arm somewhere in the British Overseas Territories. Chin Chin.
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