Before his coronation mass Francis talked to the Catholics gathered in Plaza de Mayo
As thousands of Argentine Catholics were congregated at Plaza de Mayo in front of the Metropolitan Cathedral, where huge screens and Vatican and Argentine flags were set up for people to joyfully celebrate the beginning of Francis’ papacy, the Pontiff surprised the masses with an unexpected phone call.
At 3:35am early morning and while the masses were waiting for the coronation Mass in Rome, that took place at 5.30am on Tuesday (local time), organizers announced they had a call from the Vatican and that it was the very same Francis.
“Hi everybody: I know you are all gathered at the square”, the pontiff said and continued, “I also know you are praying which is always beautiful. I will ask you to pray for unity so there’s no hatred, no fights and envy among us.”
Likewise, Francis asked believers “to take care of each other, take care of your lives, your families, the Mother Nature, the children and the elder people. And do not go around throwing critiques at others”.
Meanwhile in the Vatican Argentine President Cristina Fernández was the first head of state among hundreds of delegations to salute Pope Francis after the inauguration mass on Tuesday at St Peter’s square.
Visibly touched, she approached the Pontiff to salute him. They had already met the day before when they exchanged gifts and shared a lunch. She was followed by Italian president Napolitano.
During the inauguration mass the Argentine president was accompanied by Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman, Lower House president, Julián Domínguez and the president of the Supreme Court, Ricardo Lorenzetti. Other members of the delegation included, lawmaker Ricardo Alfonsin; Senator Anibal Fernandez; president of the Industries Union, Jose Ignacio De Mendiguren; mayors Carlos Mauricio Espinola and Julio Pereyra; Guillermo Oliveri, Secretary of Cult; Alicia Olivera, former Buenos Aires city ombudsperson; trade union leaders Antonio Caló, Omar Viviani and Omar Suarez; Ambassador in the Vatican Juan Pablo Cafieron; the heads of the Episcopal Conference Monsignor Jose Maria Arancedo and of the Social Pastoral, Carlo Alberto Acaputo; press officer Alfredo Scocimarro and the president’s personal secretary, Pablo Barreiro.
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au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/marie-claire/features/reports/article/-/13040207/australia-s-other-stolen-generation/
“From the 1940s until the early 1980s, more than 150,000 young and unwed Australian women were forced by churches and state authorities to give up their babies for adoption. “When these babies were born, it was common practice to forcibly push the mother’s face down with a pillow so she never saw or held the child, who was immediately taken away,”
ANGLOTINO, I thought you were so lucky to live in a country with no dictatorial and human rights abuses, right. Read the above, it's absolutely APPALLING!! And while in Argentina that only happened for 3-5 years, in ”the lucky country“, that spanned 4o YEARS!!
And it's unrelated to the other great crime of the STOLEN ABORIGINAL BABIES.
LILY'S story
”...My crime was that I was unwed and six weeks pregnant. Because I wasn’t quite 17, they said I was in moral danger. Stephan and I had been together a year; we were very much in love and intended to marry. He was 19. I think the police had been told of my pregnancy by some meddling person from the mattress factory where I worked. My boss sacked me on the spot when I said I was pregnant.
The next morning, the Children’s Court made me a ward of the state and committed me to a Catholic home called Holy Cross in Wooloowin, Brisbane. Shortly after I arrived, the nuns cut my hair and told me that, from now on, my name was Leanne. They not only took my freedom, they stripped me of my identity. I felt wretched and terrified. For the rest of my pregnancy, I was forced to rise every day at 5am and work in the laundry. I had no idea they intended to steal my child...”
and then:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generation
AUSTRALIA far more criminal than Argentina ever was. Thank goodness my Piedmontese ancestors came to Argentina. At least here I becaome Pope.
I will troll for Australia, my child.
Of all the secrets and naughty things
All those Catholics are hiding,
Still,
They cant all be bad,, can they..
“I thought you were so lucky to live in a country with no dictatorial and human rights abuses”.
I always own up to shameful events in my country’s history and never blamed them on a colonial power. And you really need to look up the definition of “dictatorial”. That would more than likely apply to the six juntas that Argentina has had in the past 100 years.
The story you linked was indeed government policy from the 1950s until mid 70s. Not 40 years as you claimed! And all adoptions in this period amounted to 150,000 – again your figure was false. As you can see by the story, the worst abuses were usually undertaken by the Catholic Church. And don’t get me started on the inquiries going into the orphanages. I sometimes wonder how these people of God reconciled their actions with their beliefs.
I’m glad that Australia stopped this practice 40 years ago and is facing the tragedy now.
Impeccable timing considering what happened today in Australia:
www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-21/gillard-delivers-apology-to-victims-of-forced-adoption/4585972
The Senate inquiry:
www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/resreport21/index.html
“And it's unrelated to the other great crime of the STOLEN ABORIGINAL BABIES.”
Hmm Wikipedia? You should research more than just regurgitate. We still can’t seem to find more than 10 actual stolen generation children in this country!
www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/flawed-history-keeps-myth-alive-about-the-stolen-generations/story-e6frg6z6-1225824632357
“AUSTRALIA far more criminal than Argentina ever was”
NOT killing children is so much more criminal than ACTUALLY killing 30,000 of your own citizens AFTER my government had stopped all the real or actual crimes you raised?
“Thank goodness my Piedmontese ancestors came to Argentina”
Australia is also glad that your parents emigrated to Argentina too.
“I will troll for Australia, my child”
Sorry that your new persona is not gaining the traction you hoped for.
VIVA A R G E N T I N A
Come out come out wherever you are. Why did you read my post and not reply?
Especially after all the effort you put into your post.
“Come out come out wherever you are. Why did you read my post and not reply?
Especially after all the effort you put into your post.”
Anglotino
Another deflection and another dishonest skewing (skewering) of facts and statistics by Teen Troll Toby.
Amusing that he wants to discredit our society 40 years ago, to justify his countries immoral acts of today, and to top it off, he has to lie to make a compelling case!!
Good for you , Anglo, this self-righteous pretender to the Papacy is de-frocked!!
I know. He should have known better after I had been telling him for months that he lacks the ability to argue. But for some hubristic reason he decided that he could take me on.
Perhaps he started to believe the persona he had crafted. That the “hand of God” would guide him and he would prevail. As you can see, his new and lovingly created persona on here has spectacularly crashed and burned.
He has almost given up any pretence of engaging in any consecutive arguments and now most people ignore him. His language skills are like a big shiny and new football that he is so proud of. And yet when he goes out into the playground, no one wants to play with him. He spent all his time on making his ball perfect and forgot to learn how to actually play the game.
So he sits in the corner all bitter and twisted. I don't feel sorry for him. I once offered the hand of friendship to him and even told him my name but he refused and the result is this burning dislike of me. As the above post shows.
The biggest difference is that in Australia we are continually taught and reminded of the mistakes we made in the past. They are never unknown to us. Argentina on the other hand has had a deliberately crafted and sustained programme of rewriting the past and blaming their problems, mistakes and tragedies on others such as the Spanish or juntas.
I didn't forceably adopt out children but it is still part of my past. Pity the weak willed Argentines can't see through their government's continual social engineering and brainwashing.
To top this all off, Nostrils is extremely bitter at the choice his parents made in emigrating to Argentina. You should have seen the viciousness of a reply when I raised this as a topic with Think. He is trapped by his parent's poor choice. Sentenced to have his abilities wither and never fully flourish in a collapsing society and economy.
See, you almost feel sorry for him..... almost!
Anglo
You're quite right about teen troll, his trolling tactics (yes, 'baiting')
are so transparent that nobody responds - no reaction, all the joy has gone out of this for him.
His attempts at wildly off-topic distraction and deflection are ludicrous and reek of desperation.
Meanwhile, Think is splintering into many personalities, 2 subgroups:
-“British” ex-RN, anti-Falklander, jaded taxpayer, curmudgeon, personas
and
- “Argentine Patriot” (Nationalist) Pro-CFK, anti-British, 'smart-aleck living abroad' personas.
All are snide, bitter, and caustic.
His host persona, 'think', seems to be the only leering perv, though.
Yeah I have noticed a marked decline in the quality of comments by Argentineans lately.
There's a new guy called Pesky Army whose job is to bog people down in historical minutae as if suddenly the UK will suddenly realise it forgot to read some letter 200 years ago and decide to vacate the islands.
He also keeps calling people Sussie because he has no idea what it means.
Then there is Sussie, I haven't seen her around for a while. Though there is a trail of removed comments. She keeps calling people TTT without realising that TTT is an Argentine who loves CFK.
They should really coordinate more.
Also Nostrils has posted on several articles in the last couple of hours but I see that he can't bring himself to post here. Though you and I know that he has read it..... it is too hard to resist.
He is probably polishing something off at the moment ready to explode it in front of everyone.... and is also more than likely working on a reply to me too.
As for Think, even he has started to ignore me. Nothing changes his angle of attack quicker than proving him wrong. He totally forgets what he was talking about.
I want a challenge and it isn't happening here. Chinese cyber trolls on The Economist are so much more intelligent.
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