Thursday, March 21st 2013 - 06:14 UTC

Urgent meeting of Argentine economic team as US dollar jumps 10% to 8.75 Pesos

President Cristina Fernandez called an urgent meeting on Wednesday evening of her economic team following a day of hectic trading in the currency exchange market which had the US dollar climb to 8.75 Pesos in the parallel market, expanding the gap with the official rate to almost 70%.

Cristina Fernandez looking to the sky for help with mundane problems

Attending the meeting were Economy minister Hernan Lorenzino, Deputy Minister, Axel Kicillof and the president of the Central bank Mercedes Marcó del Pont.

The 8.75 Pesos to the dollar of Wednesday represented a 10% increase in the value of the US currency in the parallel market and is attributed to the decision by the Tax revenue office, Afip to increase to 20% (from 15%) the extraordinary levy on travel, tickets and shopping overseas.

The previous week according to Buenos Aires City currency traders the Central bank would intervene at certain points to steer the value of the dollar avoiding peaks in the parallel market, however this week the bank has been absent.

Since the beginning of the year the US dollar in Argentina in the so called marginal market has soared 29% and the Central bank has lost over 2.2 billion dollars in international reserves which now stand at 41.1 billion dollars.

The current policy called the ‘dollar clamp’ and first implemented over two years ago is geared to ensure the Treasury and the central bank sufficient dollars since Argentina still has no access to the global voluntary money market because of its pending litigations with bondholders from the 2001/02 massive default.

For that reason it must work on its two surpluses: trade and budget. Policy to implement the first is well known by the complaints from trade partners. The second is out of control with a huge deficit that keeps fuelling inflation forcing savers to look for refuge in other strong currencies.

This week’s 20% levy on purchases overseas follows the first one of 15% first applied by the government of Cristina Fernandez on 3 September 2012. At the time the official dollar rate was 4.65 Pesos and the ‘tourist dollar’ the climbed to 5.34 Pesos with a gap of 19% with the parallel market that was then trading in the range of 6.37 Pesos for the greenback.

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1 Ayayay (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 06:38 am Report abuse
Where's BK-this is a good pic.
2 mastershakejb (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 07:13 am Report abuse
hey Stink Think,
What was that you were saying a month ago about the Argie peso only getting stronger?? hmmm, are you brainwashed or just stupid?
3 LEPRecon (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 08:10 am Report abuse
I like the way the photo's caption says divine help with 'mundane' matters.

I think the destruction of the Argentine economy is anything but 'mundane' to the Argentine people. I think that the Argentine people being unable to buy food is anything but 'mundane'.

I also think that the Argentine people think that the tax increases are 'mundane' either.
4 British_Kirchnerist (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 08:35 am Report abuse
#1 It is innit =)
5 Think (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 08:54 am Report abuse

This is my one & only comment about the Black Market Dollar, some 10 months ago ....:

13 Think May 23rd, 2012
”I have in my long and, at times, infructuous life, seen many dollar runs in Argentina.
The parallel Dollar can go where it wants to go…… The economy is strong.
In the meantime, honest citizens can still exchange 25% of their TAXED income into Dollars at the official rate.
In the meantime, the Argentinean Central Bank is capitalizing itself buying ~150,000,000 U$ a day. Its reserves are up to ~49,000,000,000U$ as per today, not bad at all.
In the meantime, our government can prepare an orderly devaluation of ~20% that, in my humble opinion, will soon be necessary to regain international competitivity and counter the recent Brazilian devaluations.

What has happened since then???
1) Honest citizens can NOT exchange 25% of their taxed income into Dollars at the official rate anymore.
A bad move….. It has, unnecessarily, allowed an illegal and quite small black market to thrive.
2) The Peso has officially and orderly devalued ~17% against the dollar.
(My unqualified guess was 20%)
3) Argentina has paid back ~12 billion of its external debt in 2012, with Central Bank reserves that consequently are down ~5 billion dollars.
(From 49 to 44 billion dollars.)
4) Our international competitiveness is positive, as all January & February 2013 statistics show…
5) As I said 10 months ago: “The economy is strong.The parallel Dollar can go where it wants to go…… ”

This is still the case…..
Sooooo; where seems to be the problem?
6 Ayayay (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 09:08 am Report abuse
@4 If only she'd do more spokesmodel stuff like you're Diana, & hite objective technocrats-it'd be nice down there.
7 commonsense (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 09:33 am Report abuse
Was this meeting called so she could evaluate where best to invest the millions and millions of dollars she has stolen from argentina?
8 Bongo (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 09:40 am Report abuse

Photo caption doesn't use the word “divine”.

Maybe she's looking at the sky because she's worried it's about to fall on her.
9 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 10:40 am Report abuse
Think's comments are why I say Rg are a very stupid people.
I don't think one of them knows how an economy works and that is why they are so passive about this MASSIVE DESTRUCTION OF WEALTH. Over the last decade.
Argentina has been in recession since Nov 2011
There is not 1 large sector of the economy that is growing. NOT ONE. Everything is way way way down. Construction and Real Estate are probably the 2 most visible. These are in worse shape since 2001.
The parallel rate is the REAL exchage rate.
and why is this a problem
Argentina's economy is not self sufficient, they need components from the exterior so you need more and more pesos to pay for those components especially fuel and food.
So an exporter ( SOY CARS) receives $5.10 for their U$1 and then has to turn around and spend $8.75 for the same U$1 in the local economy.
Do you understand why exports are falling, Int'l companies are leaving and Industrial activity is falling?
CFK will send out cronies with bags of U$ to try to drive this down temporarily but it won't work
The course is set it is just hard to predict when it will occur
but it is speeding up now that is obvious

I hate to say, no wait that is wrong I LOVE TO SAY
Buy Sugar Rgs Buy Sugar
10 Anglotino (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 11:03 am Report abuse
Great article over on FT:

Something has spooked the market and that fear is compounding. Everyone is wondering if it's gunna turn into a rout.

9 by Monday?
11 Welsh Wizard (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 11:19 am Report abuse

Yup, markets are spooked and this is a massive jump in a couple of days. Once these things start it is very difficult to stop them, reminds me a bit of the fall of LTCM (snowball effect). Futhermore, the people that CFK has around her are the last people you would want to help in this situation as they are the people who have produced this situation by their inabilty to run an economy and are also positively encouraging this by their actions. 10% fcuk that's a lot
12 Think (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 11:21 am
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13 BritishLion (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
Looks like the real calamity has unsurped the Falklands calamity, time to face the great lied to citizens of Argentina and explain how the Falklands caused all her woes. Oh dear, oh dear.
14 ChrisR (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
12 Think

If that is the best you can come up with as a response to yankeeboy I am, in future, going to refer to you as I CAN'T THINK.

Perhaps your age is finally beginning to tell or maybe you cannot afford or get the medication you require to offset the marked deterioration seen in your cognitive faculties in the last few months, but be in no doubt, you are getting more ridiculous in your postings almost by the minute.
15 Think (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 12:58 pm
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16 Vuggevise (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
Dear Editor

Could you really not find a picture that isn't a closeup of her trout-pout collagen reservoir? That picture is enough to put a man off his gravlaks.
17 Britninja (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
If only a bird had bombed an extra-large crap onto her face from on high while she was posing for that photo. It'd be very appropriate.
18 Vuggevise (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 01:14 pm Report abuse
@17 Britninja

I don't think they have bluebirds in Argentina .. and she has already monopolised the market in vultures ;)
19 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
If I were Argentinian I would make sure I had no U$ in the banking system.
BCRA funds are GONE. If they have U$9B left I would be really surprised. They are going to have to confiscate the remaining U$ to pay the gas bill.
If 9/1 is breached today it will be 10/1 by Friday, there will be a run.
It's funny I thought the oh so brilliant BCRA head said the Peso would stabilize after Summer.
I laughed then
I am laughing now
20 CaptainSilver (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
The British sepoys are doing a grand job. MBE's all round I say...
21 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
Rumor is another Brazilian company is pulling out. A large construction company this time.
One of many I expect...
I am waiting to hear when ( not if) Ford and GM stop production.
Hard to assemble cars without parts.

i really think the 2001 crash and the subsequent sugat-high economy created by the Ks and other people's money is the final blow for many Int'l companies. The profits that could be made aren't worth the hassle with Uruguay Chile Colombia Peru Brazil all banging on their doors to invest why bother with a basket case?

Once Hyperinflation sets in they're done for...
22 Optimus_Princeps (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
When her precious scum bags don't have anymore welfare, they will be making attempts to steal whatever scraps they can (as if they aren't already). Barricade your doors and make sure to have something on hand to swat them like flies should they attempt to enter your house.
23 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
Apparently the Gov't asked the farmers to sell whatever Soy stocks they have and the Farmers said there aren't any more.

I can smell the desperation from here

Sounds like there are no more U$ and no more to follow

How to you pay the gas bills without U$ don't
24 Welsh Wizard (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:08 pm Report abuse

If this is true then they have done a remarkable job of keeping their problems quiet. Apart from the meeting of the 3 monkeys in Olivios last night there has been very little about lack of dollar funds, or dollar related issues.
25 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
24. I have seen lots of articles that where they sound worried. They sent out AFIP a few weeks ago looking for hidden stocks of SOY but they didn't find any.
If there is U$9B at BCRA I would be shocked. The Soy crop this year is median and they needed a huge crop to make up the difference in FDI and car exports,
There is nothing that can “save” this economy on the horizon.
absolutly nothing
Wait until they ask for an IDB or WB disbursement...
These fools have made a very bad situation even worse

The only solution is to devalue to 16-20/1 to give the economy a sugar high and try to make it through the next election.
In the end it won't work

My guess is CFK will end up like Mussolini...guess/hope...same thing
26 ChrisR (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
I do hope that Pepe is already in talks with Fiat and GM. Ford rather crapped in the nest when they closed the engine plant in Uruguay (try buying a Ford here).

I suspect that none of the old commies have thought of it though.
27 John Troll the 3rd (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:25 pm
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28 Welsh Wizard (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:26 pm Report abuse

From my desk in the City I can already see people seriously taking notice of what is going on over there. When pricing transactions, we have risk, country risk and then something we call “Argentina Risk”. It is a mixture of risk and country risk with a strong measure of bat-shit craziness thrown in. I note that it is down at $8.61 so there has obviously been some profit taking on opening.
29 wesley mouch (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
The market is telling you that a big devaluation coming. My question is why hasn't the military staged a coup or why haven't the people stormed the Bastille and garroted CFK and fat Maximo.
30 John Troll the 3rd (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:30 pm Report abuse

Maybe my child, you are being lied to here, my child. Or at least fed half-truths of real problems so that they are mendaciously exaggerated.
31 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
28. As I said earlier, or yesterday CFK will send out cronies with bags of U$ to try to extinguish this fire. It is a relatively small market and a U$ couple million traded at the right places would do the trick.
End the end you can't fight the market
and the market
is saying the new floor is way above 8.
There is a MASSIVE DEVALUATION right around the corner with
How does one pay for gas when they can't get a loan and they've run out of other peoples money?
Any ideas?
32 mastershakejb (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
@5 Stink
That's not true, Stink, a couple months ago you commented on here you posted a website with the blue rate, on one particular day when the peso came back from the 8 threshold slightly, about two months ago.
You may not remember, but it did happen, Stink. I don't have the will or care to find the particular article/comment.
33 Think (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
(28) Welsh Wizard

You say...:
“From my desk in the City I can already see” ......

I say...:
Well.... That's sounds impressive.......
From my desk in southwestern Patagonia I can't see much but mountains and sky......., but my computer shows me that it is down at $8.56 so there is obviously some profit taking going on in that minimal market ;-)
34 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
Let's see where we are next week. She can only send people out with bags of U$ for so long.
BTW that would be illegal in any civilized country.
One does wonder where these bags of cash come from...
Bribes...surely she wouldn't be spending her own money
Buy Sugar Rgs Buy Sugar
35 Welsh Wizard (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:58 pm Report abuse

No mountains here (that's England for you) but I can see plently of sky and, on a good day, can see the whole of London spread out at my feet...
36 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
Clarin is reporting$8.65 with barely any transactions

Curiouser and Curiouser as someone else pointed out today

One wonders why think posts all NIGHT from would think he is really on the other side of the Atlantic and posting during the day like many of the “other” Rg posters
37 Welsh Wizard (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 04:08 pm Report abuse

I tend to look here. Generally much more up to date. You can aslo follow them on twitter.
38 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
37. It is an unregulated market so you never know where you can get the right info online. Better to walk down Florida Avenue and see what they're really offering.
Not with bags of U$ though
It is scary enough without drawing attention to yourself
39 Think (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
(37) Welsh Wizard

Nothing beats
They are our “Economist”
Even same ideology.

Oooooops...... More profit taking going on.... 8,51
40 Conqueror (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
@27 Relevance?
41 Welsh Wizard (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 04:50 pm Report abuse

Just seen it. They think that there are 4.1m tonnes of soy beans which they want to, if they can find them, they'll chuck them on the market all at once and get much less than expected. You're right...they must be desperate for $US if they are having to do this. ..
42 Condorito (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
Never mind the lack of confidence in the peso...what about our confidence in Think!

“A bad move….. It has, unnecessarily, allowed an illegal and quite small black market to thrive.”

“A bad move...” !

Open criticism of the dear leader from her staunchest minion.
OP is right, barricade your doors, the start of the end is nigh.
43 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
Oooooops...... More profit taking going on.... 8,51

For the Peso to be at $8.51 in this short of a time frame is ominous

If you don't think so it proves how ignorant you are about economics
44 redpoll (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 05:58 pm Report abuse
Even our Pepe , nominated for a Nobel prize for legalizing marijuana has finally got fed up with Crissy. Perhaps she gave him and his missus a lift on Tango 1 to Venezuela and left them stranded there. A real diplomatic discourtecy.
He has come to the conclusion that Uruguay cant do business with Argentina and so is strenghening ties with Brazil instead
At last he has realised that Crissy is all “I want and I demand” What did he get in exchange? A toy train that only ran to its destination once
Under the decision of the ICJ the waters of the rio Uruguay have to be monitored. 22 reports have now been done but the Argentine delegates in CARU have prohibited thier publication Why?
Two new docks on the Rio Uruguay on the Uruguayan side are subject to CARU approval which the Argentine delegates in CARU wont approve. Why?
Argentina is trying to strangle my country and I dont like it
45 Britworker (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
Well telling them what they want to hear all the time and supporting them on issues they are clearly wrong about wont make your plight any better. The only way to deal with a bully is a good hard kick in the nuts, so you better grow some.
46 Think (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
Ohhhhh..... I can see that a few of my American friends have gathered here to monitor the developments of the Black Market Dollar in Argentina...

A huuuge operation of some 2~4 million U$D a day!

Mr.Yankeeboy... Snort a looong line on me, it inspires you.....
Mr. Redpoll my angry yorugua neighbor.... Has Atucha exploded yet?
Mr .Condorito... Chilote lindo nomás............No comments.

Let's see how is going with the almighty dollar.... shall we ?
Ooooops.............. down again....................8,450

You keep an watchfull eye on it until I return, will you guys?
Chuckle chuckle
47 mastershakejb (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
u really need to lay off the meth, nutter Stink
48 Also Add (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 06:56 pm Report abuse
@ 5 Stink
“small black market” OK, now I KNOW you're not in Argentina. Cause when I was there in 2012, EVERYWHERE I went I was shouted at to come exchange my dollars down some back alley or in some shitty mall (well its your high end malls, but to first worlders they look like some dilapidated remains of some Soviet era construction).
There was massive competition for my dollars, the ppl would almost get into brawls trying to win me into their particular den of dollars. It's funny cause this all went on RIGHT in front of police officers, who clearly didn't care. Which means that they're being paid not to care....or typical Argie laziness.
49 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
I'm feeling left out - Perv-boy@46 didn't have me on his Insult List. He got nearly everyone else!!

50 Condorito (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
@Troy, give him a break, he has been up since at least 8:54am (GMT)...what is that in Patagonia 5:54am - dedication to the cause I'd say.

I am happy for him that he has managed a meek criticism of Dear Leader: “A bad move...” !

It is a small step but it is a step in the right direction...I can feel a Vals Chilote coming on...“'Onde va la lancha” maybe.
51 Tobers (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse

Hes also admitted that his government lies massively about inflation and ec. growth (which doesnt seem to bother him) and yet believes them when they say they have 50 billion dollars in the kitty. As well as being offensive, patronising, bitter, sexist etc. hes also highly inconsistent to say the least. I can't take him seriously.
52 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
@50 condo

Yes, praises to him for a meek criticism of CFK.

Now, it looks like the supple (unprincipled)
Bamboo shoot is starting to “bend in the wind” to weather the coming storm.

He'll be sucking up to the new regime very quickly and will undoubtedly throw CFK under the bus, if it means he will survive.

No integrity.

What a “Turnip”!!
53 Also Add (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
He'll probly blame USA or UK for installing CFK as a puppet to destroy Argentina
54 slattzzz (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
@51 As well as being offensive, patronising, bitter, sexist etc. hes also highly inconsistent to say the least. I can't take him seriously. You forgot to say as well as NOT being in rgenweener
55 Ayayay (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
So if you call it 'importing', you DON'T pay the 20% tax?
56 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
and the balance of trade is
The surplus in the trade balance in February fell 61 percent , to $ 521 million over the same month last year, according to Monday's National Institute of Statistics and Census ( INDEC .)
This result came from a 10 percent rise in imports, driven by higher fuel purchase, to 5.222 million dollars, while exports fell 6 percent to 5.743 million dollars.

Think about the fuel imports needed in the upcoming winter

This is why there is panic in their eyes and they're looking for ever grain of Soy, where oh where is my grain of Soy.

Even Iran wants Soy in return for the oil.

I will gladly pay you on Tuesday for a tanker today
57 briton (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
We bet she would nationalise the dollar and the USA if she could,

Only a dream, but I bet she does,
All that wealth slipping through her fingers,

We can all wish, we can all dream,
But sooner or later reality kicks back in..

58 Brit Bob (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
Will the Peso be devalued again?
59 ChrisR (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
58 Brit Bob

Is the popsicle an argie?

60 wesley mouch (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
Its time to revolt violently. Garrote for CFK and fat Maximo
61 John Troll the 3rd (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
Oh my children, so many foreigners gay and carefree in judging the argentines, the Chosen people and the new lodestars for religious leadership. The word of the Lord is indeed more than ever needed here.

John 7:53-8:11

8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Palabra de Dios

62 redpoll (#) Mar 21st, 2013 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
Mentiroso (or mendocino) Take your pick but its better to use a shovel to clean up dog shit which is what you publish.
Your last comment that Jesus went to Mount Olive is not only sacrilegious but pornographic
As for you Mr Think ensconced in western Chubut (you learnt Welsh yet?) yes I am an angry yoruga .
Ok Atocha hasnt exploded yet If you knew your physics nuclear plants dont usually explode but an accident through malfeasance leaves a large trail of Caesium 90 and other radioactive matierial downwind
So put your next nuclear plant in Chubut and you will get the radioactive fallout, not us
It could light up your ideas to incandescency my friend.
63 yankeeboy (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:39 am Report abuse
58. They have no choice but to devalue the Peso. My guess is $16-20/1 after the elections.
Doesn't help with their cash flow issue getting through the winter and having enough gas.
That is a whole different issue that will need to be addressed shortly.
64 Ayayay (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:42 am Report abuse
Yankee, it sounds alot, but you were right last time. Do you think they'll deval the official more than 6?
65 reynald (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 02:07 am
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66 Also Add (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 04:23 am Report abuse
lol reynald, go read what “recession” is, it's two consecutive quarters of contraction, factually the USA hasn't been in recession in years
67 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 05:18 am Report abuse

Reynaldo/Sussie is too stupid to understand anything.

I bet he will soon learn what recession means when the economy “deep-sixes” and CFK takes off to escape the mob.
68 yankeeboy (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:26 am Report abuse
64. The stupidity of the Ks is boundless. They could take the road Venezuela did and have multiple exchange rates, for awhile, until the economy is ruined beyond anyone's repair.
So it all depends on if she is still around when they take this measure.
69 Think (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:20 am Report abuse
(62) redpoll

AtuchaI and II havn't exploded, yet....
AtuchaI and II havn't melted down, yet....
AtuchaI and II havn't had any accidents, yet....
AtuchaI is in full generation since its inauguration in 1974...
Atucha II will start next July and will be fully operational by October....

Having said the above.....; the decision of placing AtuchaI (1968) and AtuchaII (1981) on the Paraná banks some 100 km upstream from Buenos Aires was absolutely idiotic.
Taken by two absolutely idiotic military dictatorships.

No question about it.
70 Anglotino (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
@61 Nostrils

I found you! I'm so happy. Why didn't you reply to me? All that effort you out into your post.

Come and have a read guys:
71 mastershakejb (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
@ Stink
“absolutely idiotic”...isn't that Webster dictionary's definition of Argentina? If those people who did that were absolutely idiotic, and produced offspring (your generation), wouldn't it stand to reason that you too would be “absolutely idiotic”? ;)
72 redpoll (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
@69 Wurzel me old marra. You should have put the words yet in capitals methinks!
To me there is nothing wrong with the idea of generation of electricity with nuclear power but unfortunately humans sometimes get in the way!
Witness the accidents at Windscales (UK), Three Mile Island (USA) and Chernovyl to name but three
And that is why I am opposed to nuclear generation
Really Mc Think you comment on another thread about IoM, Jersey etc. You really must do your research properly or you will never become the next head druid at the next Eistedfodd in western Chubut
73 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 02:40 pm Report abuse

Anglo - yes, another epic fail-blog by “teen troll toby”

Thanks for the read:
74 yankeeboy (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 02:54 pm Report abuse
Whom in their right mind would buy something that is stamped “Made In Argentina”?
FYI Nuclear Power plants certainly wouldn't make it on my list!
75 redpoll (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
I once bought an Argentine pickup, a Rastrojero. It started to fall apart after 500 kms, so never again
76 Celina (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:30 pm
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77 Chicureo (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
This summer, the Chilean coast was full of Argentinian tourists flush with money. The malls in Santiago were as we'll, especially the Apple stores. My son in law just purchased, at a very discounted rate, a VW pickup assembled in Mendoza that seems to be excellent.
I took my entire family skiing this past winter and paid about half the official rate.
How is all this possible? Easy, as though bribery you can just do about anything.
A 20% haircut is reasonable and predictable. Let's hope it does not become 50%... Although I'd love to go shopping in BA if it does.
Thank God you have CFK, it makes it so much easier to accept another term of OUR next president in Chile...
78 Think (#) Mar 23rd, 2013 - 01:09 am Report abuse
(77) Chicureo

Nice to see your name again.
Hope your “thing” is getting better.
Not one second too early to sing “Las Mañanitas” for la Presidenta de Chile ;-)
79 Celina (#) Mar 23rd, 2013 - 01:44 am
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80 redpoll (#) Mar 23rd, 2013 - 03:34 am Report abuse
Oh dear Think you Alte Denkmal
You really should do your research my man before spouting off about British jackboots on the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands
The Isle of Man isnt part of the UK and has the oldest parliament in the world. Its called Tynwald. You as a skandahovian may dispute that the Icelandic Folkting is even older
The Manx goverment cedes questions of defence an foriegn policy to the UK governmen. Manxmen send no MP to Westminster
Bit Like the FALKLANDS isnt it?
As to jackboots the FALKLANDS sufferered that for 74 days The goverments of the Channel Islands suffered for four years under the National Socialist boot = Nazi which is the way your govt is going
The States of Jersey and Guernrsey refer to “our Queen. Duke of Normandy”
So wise up old man before you display your terminological inexatidudes( = lies) on these threads
81 Chicureo (#) Mar 23rd, 2013 - 04:00 am Report abuse
Ah Think, sincerely how are you? Even the Pope seems to be on your side, but I remain on the other point of view. (same message to Bolivia: it WAS your coast line, but we now occupy it...) There is little doubt that our former president in Chile becomes our next, and frankly as long as she leaves our Banco Central alone, it will be acceptable.
Even the Soviets learned to maintain a strong currency.
As for me, I'm somewhat doomed as the thing has returned with a vengeance. All I can do is enjoy each day as it comes. You are holding your arguments quite well, but you and I know, the corruption of your government is beyond control.
I salute you with a dram of single malt tonight and congratulate your debating skills, but you know that CFK is as corrupt as the president of Nigeria.
82 Think (#) Mar 23rd, 2013 - 09:11 am Report abuse
(81) Chicureo
You say…:
”… know that CFK is as corrupt as the president of Nigeria.”

I say….:
No, she is not.
As I have said before:
Cristina is not my Queen...
She is not even my Princess…
But she is our President and, all things equal, she is a brave Woman in an impossible post.

The way she and her family made their fortune of ~15-20 million dollars may be unsavory...... but not illegal.
Some of the old and new big property owners along the Andes around me have, during the last years, made as many millions through land speculation, willingly aided by corrupt local, provincial and national authorities.

You are lucky on the other side of the mountains…
You corruption control is much better than ours...
Some lessons to be learned, undoubtedly...

Sincerely hoping you get many good days and plenty of shopping tours to BA……
I wish you the best.
83 yankeeboy (#) Mar 23rd, 2013 - 09:38 am Report abuse
he way she and her family made their fortune of ~15-20 million dollars may be unsavory...... but not illegal.

I think you are missing some zeros

and everything is legal when you control the courts

My hope is she is dragged through the streets like Mussolini...

Won't be long now
84 Celina (#) Mar 23rd, 2013 - 07:45 pm
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85 redpoll (#) Mar 23rd, 2013 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
Mr wurzel aka Mr Think Can you please keep your troops in order? Our sussie is good for the ocassional comic relief or a laugh at times but it really does get a bit pesdado at times
86 British_Kirchnerist (#) Mar 24th, 2013 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
#28, 35 WW Are you wilfully taking on a Gordon Gecko persona or does it just come naturally to you?! And here was me starting to like you a bit more after your comments on Chavez calling Bush the devil...

#42 “Open criticism of the dear leader from her staunchest minion.
OP is right, barricade your doors, the start of the end is nigh”

But I thought I was her staunchest minion =) From Britain I can't say one way or another whether she or her team made “a bad move” on the point of detail Think mentions, the point is that overall the prophets of doom are wrong. And btw Think has always been, in my experience, a “thinking” man =) He's never been a Cristina sycophant (I may have been more so at times; maybe in part to annoy the British right but always based on heartfelt admiration of this amazing lady!) I certainly don't think he's about to “throw CFK under the bus” (#52) and I certainly am not, nor are her millions of active supporters, its a little thing called solidarity that your side don't really get =) Tbh I'm more worried about her throwing herself under a bus by not reforming the constitution and sacrificing her re-election for the greater good; even if tactically wise, that would still be bittersweet for me =(
87 redpoll (#) Mar 24th, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
Better throw herself under a train as they have no brakes to stop in time
88 Fillooooo (#) Mar 24th, 2013 - 10:30 pm
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89 redpoll (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 02:05 am Report abuse
But an electric shaver Sussie
90 Fillooooo (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 03:16 am
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91 Think (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
Back on Topic....:

We are gathered here to monitor the developments of the Black Market Dollar in Argentina...

A huuuge operation of some 2~4 million U$D a day!

Let's see how is going with the almighty dollar.... shall we ?
Ooooops.................... down again......................... 8,25

You keep an watchfull eye on it until I return, will you guys?
Chuckle chuckle
92 Anglotino (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
How embarrassing when 8.25 is a GOOD day for the Argentine Peso.
93 yankeeboy (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
92. Last time he was glorifying $7.81/ U$ 1 in a month all will be well if it is $9.50/U$ 1
Argentinians are too stupid to realize how much wealth has been stolen in the last decade.
Much too stupid.

last time this happened the Austral was changed into the peso at 10,000/1.
94 axel arg (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
If the journalist who created such a decadent editorial wanted to inform people correctly about thsi question, he would tell in his report that the paralell dollar is just a small and illegal market which doesn't have anything to do with the popular economy.
The problem with this paralell dollar is that it's distorted by the most powerful mediatic corporations, which have a very big push of power with c. f. k's govt. They try to convince people, telling them that if the paralell dollar increases it's prize dramaticly, the economy is going to collapse, which is actually what those corporations, and the richest sectors of the society are looking for since 2008.
But what many people don't know, is that c. f. k's govt. could tolerate six financial coup d'etats. In fact, flight capitals since 2007 untill 2011, was much bigger than during the periods of the dictatorship, the decades of the 80's, 90's, and the crisis of 2001. However the economy didn't collapse, like in all the rest of the periods that i mentioned, which provoked terrible social and economc crisis, and it won't collapse either, despite the expressions of the wishes of some people in this forum, the rich people, and some mediocre journalists.
Argentina has a dramatic experience in economic disasters, that's why some people think that if the paralell dollar increases its prize, it will affect the popular economy, the biggest problem of those people is misinformation. However, at the same time that those people manifest to be concerned about that question, they continue taking credicts, in fact, the banks were the most benefited thanks to the kirchner's policies, because they gave much more credicts for adquiring different goods, instead of giving credicts for inverstments.
On the other hand, this editorial doesn't tell that the so called dollar clump stopped the flight capital. Many people someday will thank c. f. k. for what she's doing for the country.
95 scottbart (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
91 Think (#)
Get used to the idea that you will never have the islands. You see in the modern world that your corrupt politicians keep talking about , people have rights!
It doesnt matter if the Islands were taken from the River Plate or not, it would not be the modern days Islanders fault and in the modern world they have rights, it seems Argentina is not so modern after all

The only countries who agree with you are your pals next door or former Uk colonies that were wrongly taken over. But the UK have now given them back, the reason you will not be getting the Islands is because they werent your anyway.
Argentina are trying it on and have done since after WW2, can you explain the decades of no claims and also treaties being signed saying there were no issues between the UK and Argentina?
96 yankeeboy (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
Axel, You should be imprisoned and kept away from the children you teach. You are one of the most stupid people that post here. Everything you post is so widely inaccurate it would be laughable if I didn't know that you actually believed it.
Remember a while back someone saying your wage raises at some point couldn't keep up with inflation. Psst guess what they aren't.

It is idiots like you that have allowed your country to get poorer and dumber every generation since that devil Peron 1st suckered everyone.
97 axel arg (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
As you can see, it's been a long time without answering your comments.
For being honest, i have decided some months ago not to continue wasting more time with such reactionary and decadent people like you, thats' why i haven't answered your comments since a couple of months ago.
It doesn't sorprise me in absolut that somebody so reactionary and mediocre like you expresses that i should be imprisoned and kept away from the children i teach. Your reaction is the tipicall behaviour of authoritarian people who just insult, and don't give any argument but insults and miserable comments.
I have never considered that neather you, nor any other conservative and pro financial sistem should be imprisoned. You and everybody else have right to think whatever you want, and you don't have to be imprisoned for expressing your ideas.
It's pretty obvious that we won't never agree on ideas about economic issues.
Beside, i have never been interested in persuading absolutly anybody in this forum about my ideas, actualy what i want to do, is to tell what mediocre journalists omit about my country, in the too partial reports that they often publish in the press.
However, wether you or everybody else take what i say, is absolutly irrelevant for me, i just want to tell about what is omitted about argentina's situation in all these mediocre and decadent reports.
98 kenR (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
99 Big Bad John (#) Mar 30th, 2013 - 03:06 am
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