Monday, March 25th 2013 - 04:45 UTC

Falklands ‘a NATO base’ and the referendum ‘unacceptable and ridiculous’, says Uruguay

Two of Uruguay’s President Jose Mujica closest ministers, Defence and Foreign Affairs said that the ‘British occupation’ of the Falkland Islands is ‘unacceptable’, represents a NATO base in the South Atlantic and described the recent referendum in the Islands as ‘absurd and ridiculous’.

Fernandez Huidobro said that with the ‘Falklands NATO base’, Argentina now has borders with Germany, the country that commands in Europe

The minister with a close friend of over fifty years

“The colonial enclave in the Malvinas is unacceptable and must end soon through diplomatic means”, said Foreign minister Luis Almagro interviewed by Venezuela’s Telesur channel.

Almagro currently on a tour of Central American and Caribbean countries said that Uruguay is asking both sides in the sovereignty dispute “to sit round a table and begin dialogue”.

“We insist that UN General Assembly resolutions must be complied which means beginning to dialogue and we shall defend the positions that have emanated from the different multilateral organizations and which have been very clear”, added Almagro.

Defence minister Eleuterio Fernandez Huidobro said that the British occupation of the Malvinas has turned the Islands into a military base of NATO.

“Now Germany has borders with Argentina, because as we all know in Europe the orders are given by Germany. We also have France in the Guyana which is considered part of metropolitan France; Curacao is Dutch, in other words a NATO base”, said Fernandez Huidobro who is a founding member with Mujica of the urban guerrilla movement that took off in Uruguay in the early sixties.

“The next world war, if there is one will be for natural resources and we have abundant resources in South America. We have to prepare to defend ourselves, but together because no one country can face such a challenge, not even Brazil”, said the Uruguayan Defence minister who then praised the creation of the Union of South American Nations, Unasur and its defence policies.

Since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Cold War “we have a multi-blocks world which helped create Unasur, to which Uruguay belongs and helps coordinate the region’s defence policies with a geopolitical coincidence on global affairs”.

“This vision of a collective defence of South American countries is a major historical change, which the left has not yet taken account of, because the left normally is not interested in military issues or geopolitics”, underlined Fernandez Huidobro who is also a member of the Argentine sponsored ‘Malvinas forum” Uruguay chapter.

Almagro who this week is scheduled to accompany Argentine foreign minister Hector Timerman when he meets UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon to request the re-launching of Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty talks with the UK, described the recent Falklands referendum “as absurd and ridiculous”.

“It is something which lacks all logical reasoning, it is an absurd and ridiculous effort by the Foreign Office not to comply with UN resolutions calling for bilateral dialogue”, said Almagro.

Fernandez Huidobro added that the referendum was a ‘farce’ and was not worth talking about it since it’s part of NATO’s strategy to keep bases in the region.

The Defence minister has been particularly critical to the two Uruguayan lawmakers that were part of a major team of observers at the Falklands March 10/11 referendum in which Islanders overwhelmingly voted to remain a British Overseas Territory.

When it was announced that opposition lawmakers Jaime Trobo and Jose Cardoso would be travelling to the Falklands, Fernandez Huidobro said their action was “shameful” just short of an act of treason against to South America and Argentina’s claims. .


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1 Anglotino (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:12 am Report abuse
Wow! Paranoid much?
2 Idlehands (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:47 am Report abuse
The referendum has really got them rattled. If it was really so irrelevant they wouldn't bother talking about it.

Seems he's another that likes to make stuff up too. The UN has never called for “bilateral” dialogue. The funny thing is Argentina wants to drag everyone into it other than the Falkland Islanders.

I hope Angela Merkel gets to hear his comments - especially as it's pretty clear that Uruguay takes its orders from Argentina.
3 Boovis (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:49 am Report abuse
Number of BINDING resolutions regarding this issue the UK has not compied with: None.

Number of BINDING resolutions regarding this issue Argentina has not complied with: ONE.
4 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:58 am Report abuse
Almagro, Huidobro, and Pepé, are they all Tupamaros?
5 Mick23 (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:28 am Report abuse
Sounds like he has some wealthy friends on the other side of the river. I wonder how much they have offered? Funny thing is they will never come through in their special way!!
6 reality check (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:29 am Report abuse
NATO base? Bollocks!
7 Idlehands (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:33 am Report abuse
There will be an article about squid on here soon. Argentina are allowing 300,000 tonnes of unlicensed Ilex squid fishing in an effort to harm the Falklands economy. Why they believe that self harming environmental vandalism will help their cause is as yet unexplained. Seems like nothing more than petty vengeance.
8 Diddles (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:34 am Report abuse
Uruguay....Almagro, Huidobro, Mujica, etc....tell us all about how well the native Uruguayans are doing these days. Oh, that's right the native population in Uruguay is basically, therefore, to use that favourite Malvinista term, you are all basically implanted people, much like your good neighbours, the Argentines.....that's right immigrants or the children or grandchildren of immigrants.....basically, the Malvinistas and their supporters are on the whole complete and utter hypocrits.

Also, I am sure the Dutch, French and German Governments will be most interested in the comments made their involvement in South America an dthe Carribean.
9 Beef (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:48 am Report abuse
But I thought no nation in the world supported the UK? Well thank you to all the NATO members for the support.
10 trenchtoast (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:07 am Report abuse
All those years in prison have clearly driven Fernandez stark raving bonkers.
11 Terence Hill (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:12 am Report abuse
If I was Uruguayan I'd be very nervous having this moron as my Defense Minister, as the Nato Charter confines it's jurisdiction to Europe, North America, and the North Atlantic.
12 Xect (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:27 am Report abuse
It's funny because its so absurd. I genuinely laughed a little at his comments.

The referendum appears to have worked brilliantly given how riled these folks are over it.

I have to say they aren't really helping their countries images with these ridiculous words. Someone needs to go and diplomatic 101 at school methinks!
13 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:28 am Report abuse
Not Almagro

Whole of Europe are implanted, a result of migration from Africa, through Asia and into the land you call yours.
14 MrFlagpole (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:45 am Report abuse
Funnily enough possibly the most offensive part of this is the suggestion that we are ruled by Germany.

Another war we fought and won was to stop that.
15 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:50 am Report abuse
The true test of whether or not MPA, or any French and Dutch base for that matter, is a NATO base is whether or not NATO common funding is made available to develop and maintain it. That would require Spain's agreement as far as MPA is concerned so no chance.

@11 As in Kabul, Afghanistan, Europe for example.
16 Musky (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:55 am Report abuse
Germany giving the orders? What planet is this guy on? The guy virtually spits when he means a non latam country, he's an outright racist.
17 Monkeymagic (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 08:26 am Report abuse
With the NATO base, Argentina is bordered with Germany....

How many errors in this statement...?
18 Benson (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:01 am Report abuse
Defiantly the craziest article I've read on mercopress.
19 Frankdrebin (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:13 am Report abuse
LOL to this article.

I need's me a new keyboard and a new shirt…..Coffee everywhere !

Well I do sort of agree with a small part of this article, I do believe Germany is doing all it can to take control of Europe, hope its not third time lucky : (
20 Room101 (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:27 am Report abuse
How do these intellectual heavyweights get elected?
21 commonsense (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:28 am Report abuse
I wonder , seeing as how he mentioned natural resources, if Cruella and tin pot man are now bribing thier neighbours to support them with a promise of a share in the Falklands oil. There wouldnt be much left after she had topped up her personal accounts let alone sorted the growin g economic probklems of Argentina. This guy is a deluded fool.
22 Idlehands (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:51 am Report abuse
This sort of rant is actually good news. If they start attacking others then those others will be forced to take a position.

What it seems to be about for the rest of South America is anti anglo/american influence. They see SA as for hispanics only.
23 commonsense (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:57 am Report abuse
What is a Hispanic? I thought only mexicans were hispanic or does the term cover all main land South American decendants of european immigrants
24 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:04 am Report abuse
Hispanic derives from Hispania, the Latin name for the Iberian peninsula.
Idlehands is just drivelling, SA is a mix of not only “Hispanic” blood, but Latin in general and with a fair share of practically any red blood found in the world.
We are not anti anglo/american, we just don't agree with invasions, torture, state founded murder and rattling with weapons.
25 CaptainSilver (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:05 am Report abuse
Big article in The Times this morning about how KFC is putting the bite on the free press by threatening multinationals to boycott Clarin, La Nacion and Perfil or face trouble repatriating their profits. Clarins advertising has plunged from 264 pages to 61 and they face losses of $70 million pa. People are now comparing her to Chavez and Castro after a 3 hour 45 minute tv address on all channels.
1984 and Animal Farm all rolled into one!
26 Feathers McGraw (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:11 am Report abuse
The nearest things to Germans are just over the water in BA! NATO base? Another deluded knob that hasn't been here, can't be bothered to find out the truth and just spouts the same old drivel because it's convenient.

There's a memorial here to the last time the Germans tried to rule the Falklands, even if some people do use it for step aerobics.
27 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:14 am Report abuse
“Another deluded knob that hasn't been here, can't be bothered to find out the truth and just spouts the same old drivel because it's convenient.”

What's wrong, Feathers? Don't you like the taste of your own medicine?
28 Clyde15 (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:22 am Report abuse
I would have thought that Argentina would have welcomed a border with Germany - there are enough of German descent to make them feel at home .
29 commonsense (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:24 am Report abuse
@ 23 thanks for the explanation.
However IF you are not anti anglo/american and dont agree with invasions, torture, state founded murder and rattling with weapons explain the following
1) Invasions .... 1982? you invaded The Falklands causing the needless deaths of Falklanders, British servicemen and Argentinian conscripts.
2)Torture ...... The Dirty War?..... How many Argentinians were tortured by thier oiwn government during this period?
3) State founded murder...... The Dirty War? ..... how many of the argentinian rulers opposition were thrown out of planes, or murdered in some equally evil way?
4) Rattling with weapons.... 1982 invasion.... Inciting and encouraging violence against british cruise ships/ Falkland registered vessels/ falkland fishing boats/ whipping up SA leaders like the late Chavez into making direct military threats? Argentinian ministers stating that if it wasnt for the defencive British military presenceon The Falklands, Argentina would invade again?

I dont actually expect a sensible reply from the usual pro Argentinian trolls but would be interested to see a reasoned and accurate reply to the above.
30 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:30 am Report abuse
1) No, a not elected, military junta invaded the islands in 1982. Same junta that killed their own people. They sent the kids of their political counterparts to fight in that forsaken “war”. Please dont do a “Feathers” (see above).

2) Again, same junta. Again, please don't do a “Feathers”. We are far too many that lost relatives to those juntas all across SA for you to throw us all in that massive bag of yours.


4) And again.

With all those “feathers” of yours, you must surely be a penguin...
31 Idlehands (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:32 am Report abuse
Dontcha know not a single Argentine alive today was any way involved in the tyranny of the 70s and 80s? They're all cuddly fluffy victims of both the junta and the wider world.
32 Falkland Islands (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:34 am Report abuse
CFK, You must say zee things, or vee vil turn of zee power zupply Uraguay. Zee English pirats must be stopped. :)
33 malicious bloke (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:37 am Report abuse
Obviously. All argentines at the time were dead set against the idea and so you wouldn't see them glorifying an invasion and an illegal war of aggression today now woud you?

Oh wait...

If you RGs want to distance yourselves from the actions of the Junta, you should probably stop celebrating them.
34 commonsense (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:44 am Report abuse
@30. I am very dissapointed that you had to resort to type and be insulting. As stated by others, if the invasion/dirty war were carried out against the wishes of the majority of Argentinians why were they celebrating the invasion in 1982 and its subsequent anniversaries and why did thart same majority do nothing to stop the murders?
Again i expect mothing more than insults.
35 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:50 am Report abuse
Who said it was illegal? Foolish yes, and very much political. The junta needed a distraction to be able to continue in power, so they chose a soft spot that they thought all Argentines could agree on, although I assure you that many, if not most, Argentines did NOT agree with neither the invasion, or the junta. Which again doesn't mean they renounce the islands.

What is celebrated today in Argentina regarding that invasion, is (the memory of) the pointless death of Argentinian young ones, nobody in their right mind would celebrate the junta.
36 Anbar (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:54 am Report abuse
Did Stevie get a job in Uruguay?

“”“”underlined Fernandez Huidobro who is also a member of the Argentine sponsored ‘Malvinas forum” Uruguay chapter.“”“”

Another Malvo nutjob then.
37 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:58 am Report abuse
I beg your pardon if you felt insulted- I reread my post and fail to see where I can have done so. If you are talking about the “penguin” comment, please know that, in my eyes, being an islander is not a bad thing. No worse than being anything else.
38 Musky (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 11:02 am Report abuse
@33 mal bloke
Well put. CFK even kicked up a stink at the UNC24 committee (the famous 'I see birds flying in from the falklands.. so it must be argentine! speech) where she voiced her distaste for britain celebrating the end of the war. HypoCristina! What an embarassment these latam leaders are.

Back to the article, these guys are clearly been reading the Fortean Times whilst high on too many E numbers. Bet they think Obama is a shape-shifting alien, Hilary Clinton is the secret love child of Emperor Ming and most stupidly of all, that one day the falklands will be Argentine.
39 War Monkey (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 11:06 am Report abuse
@11 Terence Hill (#)
Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:12 am

Well yes but no. Don't forget that it is a NATO led mission in Afghanistan; however, that war was started by Afghan based terrorists after they struck the WTC and the Pentagon in 2001 which is of course inside NATO territory. Beware the Malvinista twist on that story.
40 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 11:45 am Report abuse
Why would Cabinet ministers from a neighboring country be voicing an opinion on this matter?
I find it very odd they would want to get in the middle of this
There is no upside for them that I can see
41 Idlehands (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 11:54 am Report abuse
Free political capital at a guess. Uruguay is suffering severely due to the Argentine trade restrictions. It is the unfortunate postion of being a small nation stuck next to Argentina. He's probably aqngling to have the trade embargoes improved.
42 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
41. Maybe, I could see CFK making Pepe come out with some statement so he delegates it to one of his stooges.
It is just odd.
CFK is a liar, crook and thuggish nutjob, they need to ignore her until the crowd drags her through the streets by her extension.
Then make nice with the new gov't
43 Condorito (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
@24 stevie

“we just don't agree with invasions, torture, state founded murder and rattling with weapons.”

So why have we been doing it since independence?
44 Pirate Love (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 12:42 pm Report abuse
NATO Base?? what a great idea......put that in the memo.

I would think Uruguay ministers would have more pressing issues at hand, than letting themselves take argentine bribes.
45 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
43. There is a delusional narrative that SA are peaceful.

I don't know where it comes from but it doesn't fit with their history or even current events.
46 earsup (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
Why does UY have a Defence Minister? Why does UY have a Ministry of Defence? Which threat is there to maintain a military organization? And why does a UY Minister of Defence have an official opinion about a dispute between AR and UK? There are many more issues in the world nothing to do with UY he can comment upon.
47 El capitano (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 01:05 pm Report abuse
I just love to get up in the morning .....Look around....and have a good laugh(Kinda sets me up for a good day)...You can't make this stuff up,Uruguay?.....ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..Lets face it folks who really gives a rats ass what a couple of delusional Uruguaians have to say..??
48 Baxter (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
Really , one does not know whether to laugh or cry ! So speak the Foreign and Defense ministers of a serious country ? It sounds like the old Soviet Union or a inmate in a special care outfit !
49 Escoses Doido (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 01:13 pm Report abuse
They all love to blame 2nd April 1982 solely on the 'Junta' bogey-man.

Everybody, google the scenes in BA on the anouncement they had invaded the Falklands.

The entire population of argentina in a euphoric frenzy.

But today - 'it wasn't us, - It was the Junta'

Pass the bucket........
50 screenname (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
It would seem that this gentleman doesn't realise that it is far easier to just buy commodities than just go around the world starting wars. I cannot believe that he actually thinks that Europe (or even NATO) actually has the military might to invade and hold South America. Saying that, if he thinks four fast jets, a few light infantry, and an icebreaker are a serious threat to Uruguay from over 1000 miles away then maybe he knows something we don't.
51 GFace (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 01:22 pm Report abuse

The current govennment celebrated “The Junta” invading in violation of UNGA resolutions with a coin. Therefore Argentina, not the Junta owns the invasion and the expansion of the dirty war onto the Islanders. You mint it, you own it.
52 Philippe (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
Mr Know-All F-H:
Is it all right for Malvinazi Argentina to have “bases” on Martin Garcia Island, which practically touches the Uruguayan mainland??

53 ChrisR (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
I hope 'we' have all noticed that Stevie, our prize 'Citizen of the planet' has invoked the royal 'we' yet again “We are not anti anglo/american, we just don't agree with invasions, torture, state founded murder and rattling with weapons.”

He seems to invoke the 'we' designation irrespective of the country involved suggesting he has citizenship of all SA perhaps.

He is of course nothing of the sort, just very good at circular arguments in which he changes his position at will.

Back to reality: Almagro is a closet Argie and I have no doubt his allegiance to Uruguay suffers at times because of this.

Defence minister Eleuterio Fernandez Huidobro heads a standing army of approx 7,000 officers and men. GEC, of which I was a director, 100 times more people than that, but in Uruguay we are only just under 3 million in the country. At least my 'we' is a valid one, my wife and I were included in the latest census.

Quite why we need this old git is beyond me, but I don't think either of them will be in post next year.
54 Simon68 (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
53 ChrisR (#)
Mar 25th, 2013 - 02:30 pm

Chris, Stevie has claimed in another thread, to be a Tupamaro/anarchist so I suppose he is Uruguayo. Rather remeniscent of our good friend Guzz, but without the Scandinavian side to him!!!!!!
55 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 02:54 pm Report abuse
They need Americans Med Students to explain things slowly to Rgs Docs and Nurses:
Not a smart people:
“In one of the classes a woman raised her hand and asked what she could do to prevent diabetes,” Griffiths said. “We explained about risk factors and preventative measures. She then asked how to avoid catching the disease from someone who already has it. She really believed it was contagious.”
56 Conqueror (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
@13 Wow! So you and yours have been implanted twice. Mind you, “implanting” is only part of the process of transplanting. When I transplant something, I am sure to give it a good “watering-in”. Is that why your “mind” is so soggy? Or are you an alien from another world?
@15 “NATO” isn't in Kabul. ISAF is. Seen any blue berets or helmets? Try to keep up.
@24 Really? Then why do you do so much of it?
@27 Keep taking your tablets!
@30 Ah, the old “it wasn't us” ploy. Not even the Germans tried that one in 1945. Tell us about how “the junta” kept large groups (tens of thousands) available to chant and dance and wave banners and flags in the streets.
@35 Remember that organisation that your “leaders” keep rushing off to whinge to? The one that you and yours demand that the UK kowtows to? What's it called? The United Nations is it? Well, it said it was illegal. And it told you to get off the Islands. And you IGNORED it. Notwithstanding that the instruction came from the part of the organisation that all members are supposed to OBEY.
@39 I agree. The territorial “limitation” defines the area that has been attacked, not the area where action can be taken.
@44 I agree. In these days of “austerity”, it's nice to know that 27 other nations could be sending warships, combat aircraft and ground troops. Taken over a 2-year period, the UK would only have to send a warship for a month every two years. Fun to see a Marina Militare or Armada Espanol warship on patrol.
@50 Ah, but Europe (or even NATO) DOES have the military might to invade and hold South America. Would you like to research NATO and figure out how many combat aircraft, ground troops and warships it could mobilise from the 28 members?
@51 That's UNSC resolutions. Just saying.
@52 Of course it is! It's also alright for them to delay dredging the channels that lead to Uruguay's ports. There's an agreement. Oops, forgot. Argieland doesn't “do” agreements.
57 Shed-time (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
I want to puke whenever someone pretends the Argentinians supporting the Junta didn't support the Junta and didn't go into the streets in the millions supporting the invasion of the Falklands.

It makes me sick into my mouth when people suggest this.
58 GFace (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
@57, yeah no argument BUT, but there's what people do the day after with the adrenaline rush (no excuse by ANY means) and what you do decades later with a commemorative coin. You can't say that it was an emotional spur of the moment or any other lame apologetics when you have to make the design, melt the metal, pour it and roll 'em up neatly to send to the banks -- you know, the way the Japaneese did last year with their coin celebrating the “pacification of Nanjing” (oh yes, that didn't happen, did it?).

No Argentine hack can claim that they waive national responsibility for the invasion, they celebrated it the day after -- but they proudly commemorated it (AND its broader implications!) decades after.
59 Gordo1 (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
The audiences that listen to this DRIVEL and these LIES surely are not stupid enough to believe it.
I cannot believe that Minsters of State in 2013 are permitted to make these false and uninformed statements!
60 GFace (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
@56 it's both the nonbinding and binding ones. Let's not forget that Raul-don't-ever-say-that-I-suppoprt-the-Junta said that the UK was in break of the *GA* one which “forced” the Junta (which of course he “opposes”) to exercise it's “right” to invade (when of course the only right the Junta had was to look head on into its own firing squad)..
61 Shed-time (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
@58 The argentines are still handing out medals on behalf of the Junta in their wars, so it's not like they hate everything about the military dictatorship, and they're still having parties to celebrate the wars caused by them.

I think that when Argentinians mention that Argentina had nothing to do with the Argentinian Junta, run by Argentines and supported by masses in the streets clapping and cheering their territorial expansionism, I'm just going to get nauseated and puke again.

All I seem to do when I see Argentines talking about how they're not responsible for anything is be sick in a bucket.
62 Xect (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
Any Argentine who states Argentina didn't support the invasion by the Junta is quite frankly either deluded or lying. There are pictures from all over Argentina of Argentinians in the street celebrating the invasion.

It's on the same truth scale as Tinman's statements.
63 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
I remember a month or two ago I said that paranoia would raise its head about the potential for TFI to be developed as an offshore base 'threatening' the South American continent.

The expressing of this is therefore no surprise to me.
The interesting thing is that the Unasur nations have chosen a Uraguayan to express their disquiet and to pass the open message to the USA.
Good tactics to avoid Argentina and Venezuela; Dilma probably ruled out comment from any of her team.
On the other hand, perhaps the guy was just speaking for himself!
64 Conqueror (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
@61 I'm sorry that these argie habits make you nauseous. But please, ask yourself, what has the bucket done to you? Surely the right thing to do is to find an argie and puke into it? It should be quite easy. Find an argie. (There are many of these all over Europe having fled their mother or fatherland for some reason.) Explain to them that the Falkland Islands (the Islas Malvinas are a fantasy invented by psychotics) are a British territory. Now think about this and test it with mouth movements. If they say “Malvinas son Argentinas”, there are actually 5 opportunities to puke down their throats. Wouldn't that be more satisfying than a bucket?
65 stick up your junta (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
the smoking gun, quite a turnout for Galtieri following the invasion, a popular bloke by the look of it
66 Shed-time (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
@64 I wonder if they know how nauseating they are with their rejection of the truth? I don't think they can even comprehend it.

@65 At the time he was super-popular, just their revisionist history portrays him as a billy no-mates. Curiously, there are similarities to the support galtieri received and the support KFC currently gets.
67 stick up your junta (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
And they are using anti terror laws to steal off their farmers

The head of Entre Ríos province’s Agrarian Federation, Alfredo De Angeli, warned today that the national government “could trigger a big conflict” in case it decides to apply the “Anti-terrorism law on soy producers in order to oblige them to sell their harvests.”’t-decides-to-confiscate-harvests
68 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
30 Stevie

“military junta invaded the islands in 1982. Same junta that killed their own people”

Right, so what you are saying is that “military junta invaded the islands in 1982” so the head of the Army, Navy and Air Force invaded the Falkland Islands??? just those 3??

The rest of Argentina was against it? they took up arms and struggled to free themselves from this government who held them under it's boot?


We have all seen the news reels of Argentines DANCING, yes that's right DANCING in the streets at the news, we know there was about 8,000 Argentine occupying the Falklands, AND WE ALL KNOW that the only reason that the Junta lost power was because they lost the Falklands War.

..............and so Stevie, I will remind you

1st Rule of lying:- Don't lie

2nd Rule of Lying:- If you are going to lie, don't get caught.

You have FAILED on both these counts and so, get lost Stevie, You're full of Sh*t.
69 Britworker (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
Are we meant to care what this fat tub of lard thinks or says? Any Uruguayan who doesn't think that Argentina is their biggest threat is completely deluded. That is probably the reason he has said what he has, their will definitely be something in it for him.
70 andy65 (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
Banki Moon speaks with The Botox Queen Crissy Kirchner earlier
71 FarmBoy (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
My first post here although I have been reading this site for a while now. I felt obligated to apologize for my governments ( USA ) unwillingness to give unconditional support to our British and Falkland Island friends. I do not understand my governments decision in this matter but I am sure there are pragmatic reasons. I am fairly certain that if push came to shove we would stand in your corner as you have stood in ours on many occasions. I am confident that Britain and the Falkland Islands are more than capable of dealing with this problem themselves but they shouldn't have to.

Another comment I would like to make is that I am utterly befuddled by the interpretation of facts by South American politicians and posters. I will not bother arguing with them as logic seems to be thrown out the window in favor of vitriol and propaganda. Of course Argentina has zero claims on the Falkland Islands, of course the British are being responsible world partners by allowing the independence vote and of course the Falkland Islanders have spoken democratically, legally, forcefully and with unanimity. To express views to the contrary flies in the face of reason and logic.
72 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
71 FarmBoy

It's ok buddy. If you look at the “BIG PICTURE” you can sort of see why the US is sat with a fence pole up it a**e.

It must be pretty uncomfortable being caught in the middle while two of your allies are about to have a dust up.

At the same time though, Obama has the power and the influence and the military muscle to have a word in KFC's shell-like and tell that enough is enough.

No point in being the most powerful nation on earth if you don't use it from time to time, right?

Peace brother
73 José Malvinero (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
What else can we add to the article? Nothing!. Clear. Uruguayan Sanity and common sense. Almost lighter than us Argentines. Thank you!
74 briton (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
is this guy THICK ,
or does it just come natural to idiots.
75 GFace (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
@71-2 A lot if us Americans familiar with the FI have been honked off at US State for~years~ on this. AR is NOT our true ally and in a post cold-war world it really is no reason to pander to the current government. And in contrast, State continues to demonstrate it's long-term habit of treating taking our stalwart allies, on whose support we heavily rely, for granted. After all, they are adults, well adjusted and are expected to understand “realpolitik” -- in contrast to Argentina's tantrums which her neighbors have to tolerate and even emulate lest they face off against AR's passive aggression head on. America, however is under no such obligation-by-proximity.

I've repeatedly brought up the dysfunctional workplace analogy w.r.t. Argentina, FI, UK and the rest of the neighboring states and it really is pathetically true. Once AR's office analog crosses the red lines that AR in the “fake” world of geopolitics has crossed repeatedly, her (assuming her hame is Cristina) hind quarters would be out the door in a heartbeat.... Unless of course she called the boss “Daddy,” at which point everyone else is told to “understand” her and see things her way and dare I say, stop “harassing” her by not tolerating her abuse and just get back to work. But in the real world these abused staffers would be taking their skills elsewhere leaving Daddy and his little princess to flail in a collapsing company. If only we could fire Argentina (or move to a parallel universe with better neighbors).
76 briton (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
Who is the leader-.
Who sets the tone- Who decides who his friends are – Obama
Who decides who his allies are – Obama
Sadly we cannot do away with fate,
We know he is wrong,
We know Argentina is wrong,
But there is nothing we can do about it,
This is an American problem, and only the American military/and its people can stop or change him,
Whether we like it or not, the American people voted him into office,
We know millions of Americans support the British,
But fate will play this one out,
The future,
Mr Obama has just signed a pact with Israel and south Korea ,and still wants to have a confrontation with Iran,
And who do you all think will fully and unconditionally support him,[among others ]
to defend whatever the cost,
Who will stand by the American troops who will next go into battle,
Britain, Britain, and Britain again, and a few others ,
Who will tell me that the mighty CFK and Argentina, will send troops to stand shoulder to shoulder with Americans.
Obama is wrong, and will be proved wrong; the British are the best ally they have
CFK is nothing, but Obama has his reasons,
The fact is, no matter how much we don’t like him, he controls it,
And the world will rejoice or suffer his decisions,
The problem lays in mr Obama, not the decent Americans who support us and the Falklands,
For allies have to earn that respect, and quite frankly CFK has no respect,
So why does mr Obama constantly defend them,
[You will have to ask him, wont you ]
Just a thought.
just an opinion .
77 ChrisR (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
54 Simon68

I agree, but when I challenged him (about 3 times from memory) he always asked me who 'this Guzz was'.

But as they say: he would, wouldn't he!


76 briton

First class post.

You are no longer a very naughty boy. ;o)
78 redpoll (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Al McGraw and Mr Weedy Brow. I hadnt realized how far these Argentine Fifth Columnists had penetrated into our government Vendepatrias the pair of them
79 RICO (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
If I was living in Uruguay I would be worried about the proximity to Argentina, as despite all previous medical evidence it now appears mental illness has become contagious.
80 Baxter (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
79 Rico . I like your remark , so true !
81 CJvR (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:02 pm Report abuse

Who rammed a cattle-prod up his @$$? It seems as if moronic defense ministers are the norm rather than the exception in South America. As for Germany calling the shots in the EU, only by their power of “NEIN” when the other comes asking for more money.
82 Pugol (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
#55 yankee “wannabe” boy/girl
there are 3,000 argentine physicians in the USA
more than the falk=slun-landers can produce for a change!
83 RI.CO (#) Mar 25th, 2013 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
@76 briton the ARSE
get it in your little brains: The USA don't give a SHIT about the UK and the Falk=slum=Lands!
84 José Malvinero (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 12:07 am Report abuse
It was clear?:

“The COLONIAL ENCLAVE in the Malvinas is UNACCEPTABLE and must end SOON through diplomatic means”

“We insist that UN General Assembly resolutions must be complied which means beginning to dialogue and we shall defend the positions that have emanated from the different multilateral organizations and which have been very clear”

described the recent Falklands referendum “as absurd and RIDICULOUS”.

“It is something which lacks all logical reasoning, it is an absurd and RIDICULOUS effort by the FOREIGN OFFICE not to comply with UN resolutions calling for bilateral dialogue”
85 britanico (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 12:08 am Report abuse
Well, it's nice that he doesn't single the UK out, but also mentions the French and Dutch, and even the Germans - hey, they have their own enclaves in Brazil, Chile and Argentina. Who next, the Jews? They rule the world by proxy, that's what the former Prime Minister of Malaysia said, eh, Señor Huidobro?
86 ElaineB (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 12:32 am Report abuse
It doesn't matter what they huff and puff about. Nothing has changed and nothing will change. Demand and insist until they are blue in the face. Nothing has changed and nothing will change. Unless the Falkland Islanders wish it.
87 redpoll (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 12:41 am Report abuse
@83 Oh do go away Sussie. You are boring or is the problem you havent been bored lately?
Think A bit of discipline in your troops please! This one seems to have taken up billiards in its spare time. Please instruct it that it has to pocket the redballs first (perish the thought) before it moves onto the pinks and yellows. not to mention the other colours
88 redpoll (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 03:11 am Report abuse
89 Paragon (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 03:29 am Report abuse
Well as its been said many many times on here, “you could not make this stuff up”
Its really sad that most Lat Am countries cannot produce ministers on a par with their world wide counterparts, but there again most have got where they are by lying, stealing, corruption and backstabbing where ever necessary, not to mention making offers that can't be refused to quote The Godfather.
But as Elaine@86 says, Non of this really matters and nothing is going to change. as the real world just gets on with life
90 Celina Arrayo (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 03:48 am
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91 Sergio Vega (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 04:36 am Report abuse
What a moron is that guy Fernandez .....are all the Uruguayan like him or he is just the one capable to say so stupid things ???....after his boss, the president, of course....!!!
Probably he has lost his only neuron......or may be he never has one like all the marxist guerrilleros....!!!
92 puerto argentino (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 05:09 am Report abuse
Malvinas islands or english call for Falklands ‘a NATO base’ and the referendum ‘unacceptable and ridiculous’, says Uruguay, so well said!!
93 brit abroad (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 06:29 am Report abuse
Wow! What an absolutley ridiculous thing to say! It seems that half of SA is run my gibbering monkeys!

@93 - how is that well said???!!! It is tripe and we all know it! Its almost as bad as timmerman and his vast exagerations!
94 Martin Woodhead (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 07:41 am Report abuse
So MPA is now a German Base? the argies will be pleased.
Although a culture of hard work,financial prudence and non corrupt goverment will be more of an effective detterent than a millon ghurkhas.
95 LEPRecon (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:31 am Report abuse
@93 - Argentine Port (where your ships all sink)

Uruguay didn't say that, some minister said that, and I'm not certain he actually was speaking for the government. He certainly wasn't speaking for the people of Uruguay.

The fact that he has made such an outrageous and obviously erroneous claim undermines Argentina's support around the world. They see all these lies, and realise that lying is all Argentina and it's supporters can do.

There is a part of me that thinks that this has got to be a wind up, because it is so obviously not true, just to placate the loonies running Argentina.

I bit like last year when Uruguay stated that it had detected an RN Submarine, causing the Argentine government to go into a frenzy. I just think they (Uruguay) like lighting the blue touch paper, and backing off to see the Argentine government explode into a frenzy of insane activity.

Very funny to watch from afar, it is.
96 Stevie (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 11:56 am Report abuse
“Some minister”, you say.
Only the minister of foreign affairs, in a government chosen by the majority of the population. On their second term, out of many.
97 GFace (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
@97 “Only the minister of foreign affairs, in a government chosen by the majority of the population. On their second term, out of many.”

And this “minister of foreign affairs in a government chosen by the majority of the population” goes all five-colors-of-chalk crazy with rants about NATO. Is this the best that you can do “on the second term, out of many?” God, I hope not for Uraguay's sake. Two deluded and paranoid clowns in SAs two too many with whackadoodlitude in BA and Caracus. Making it three is downright unhealthy for the continent.
98 Alexei (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
It is astonishing that somebody as stupid as Jose Mujica is allowed out in public without adult supervision.
99 briton (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
77 ChrisR

83 RI.CO
88 Filloooo
¿por qué no crecen, y dejar de mirar y de actuar como un niño de dos años de edad con sangre.
y avergonzando a ti mismo, a su familia ya su país.

100 ChrisR (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
99 Alexei

I have lived in Uruguay for just about 2 years now and have followed the Presidential progress of Mujica and intended to go to his inauguration while we were here reviewing the country as a potential retirement home in February - March 2010. In the end we did not go as the US harridan Hilary Rodham Clinton turned up and ruined it for us.

Mujica over the last several months seems to be a changed man and I do wonder if he is ill. He most certainly does not seem to be in charge as the two 'Finance Ministries' shows and the Pluna fiasco was down to him in no small part trying 'to be clever' and demonstrating nothing of the sort.

He is of course 78 May next and might be suffering from the onset of Alzheimer's in the same way as Ronald Reagan did and in consequence made several whacky statements in his final Presidency.

But it will all be solved in 2014.
101 golfcronie (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
so the population of Uruguay voted him in.
The population of the FALKLANDS voted for the Staus Quo,
Did the “ people ” vote for him or the population?
Did the “people” of the FALKLANDS vote for The Status Quo or the “population”?
102 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
@83,88 Sussie

Sussie, lloras como un niño travieso
103 golfcronie (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
Sussie, CFK does't give a shit for you either
104 Stevie (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
Brits can vote as many times as they wish over the islands, it matters as much as SA voting over some random UK island.
105 José Malvinero (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
92 Sergio Vega

Chilean in Malvinas Argentinas?. ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
106 golfcronie (#) Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
What Brits?
Some of the FALKLANDERS are 9th generation, not considered Brits anymore. When does a Spaniard or a German or a Welsh person become Argentinian?
If you settle in a country and have children, they, the children take on the nationality of that country.
107 José Malvinero (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 12:04 am Report abuse
107 golfcronie

Say you to that to your British governors, because the the laws of that country, especially after 1982, the kelpers are automatically considered British . This gave him reason to Argentina had always claimed that the kelpers were British (in Argentine territory) and Britain denied it.
Besides nationality depends on the laws of the countries.
For example in most of Europe governs the Law of Blood, so if I, an Argentine, I have children in Italy (without Italian citizenship) the children are not Italian and as not born in Argentina, nor are Argentine, ie are stateless.
In Argentina recognizes the Right of Soil, therefore, if an alien has children in Argentina, these children are Argentines.
So it is not so simple thing.
For that reason, for my country, those born in the islands are Argentines.
108 Celina. (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:22 am
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109 troyfreefly (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:39 am Report abuse
Hmmm. Let me see, if I were a Falkland Islander what would I rather have, the stability of being in the Commonwealth and the buying power of the Pound or the uncertainty of being governed by overtly corrupt politicians and worthless currency?
Order on one had mayhem on the other...
110 Celina. (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 02:23 am
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111 John III (Pope) (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 06:14 am Report abuse
Interestingly, the US was concerned about UK bases at Halifax, NS, and in the several Caribbean colonies. Its time to get Europe out of America!
112 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 06:41 am Report abuse
@111 Dumkopf III

Whimsical parallel, but irrelevant distraction by an artless child who has nothing of substance to add.
The US wanted control of their continent, but the British inconveniently, would not leave and allow their Canadian 'people' to be assimilated.

That was leading up to the war of 1812.

Pathetic teen troll toby
113 Stevie (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 07:06 am Report abuse
They just passed a referendum declaring themselves Brits.
114 John III (Pope) (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 08:02 am Report abuse
I was talking about the 1930s.
115 golfcronie (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 10:34 am Report abuse
Please be good enough to read my post @106 again carefully. You will then perhaps understand what I wrote, if not get someone who understands the English language to translate for you.
116 ynsere (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
As an Uruguayan I am ashamed of the recent actions of my government in connection with the Falklands, and apologise to the Islanders. In yesterday's issue of national daily El País, readers' remarks stood at 19 against the government's action, and one in favour, so evidently I am not alone.
117 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
The consensus seems to be that the statements of Uruguay's Defence Minister Huidobrowere were unstatesmanlike and impolitic.

We have been waiting for a statesmanlike correction and apology from Uruguay's President.

The absence of such a statement speaks volumes and leads me to believe that Sr Mujica, once a man who I respected because he trod a difficult path with astute care, has become too infirm to lead his country with the confidence of his people.

It happened to Reagan and to Thatcher, and to millions of other once astute people.
Please, people of Uraguay, let him go with dignity; he fought for the integrity of his country and has given his life to it.
118 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
@114teen troll toby

“Interestingly, the US was concerned about UK bases at Halifax, NS, and in the several Caribbean colonies. Its time to get Europe out of America!”

“I was talking about the 1930s.”

How is this relevant to the article about LATAM declaring economically blockaded, recently invaded and liberated, foreign sovereign islands as a NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organisation base for invading South America in 2013?

Dumkopf teen
119 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
So, re. #117,
my Uruguayan friends,
is this shot across the bows by Huidobrowere the first of the 2014 election campaign/post-Pepe era?
120 José Malvinero (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 05:59 pm Report abuse

I have it perfectly clear. I do not need no translator. You said you did not consider themselves British but the laws of your country, Britain, yes.
121 St.John (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
Huidobro said: “because as we all know in Europe the orders are given by Germany. We also have France in the Guyana which is considered part of metropolitan France; Curacao is Dutch”

Whether or not he is (subtly) trying to get Holland, Germany and France to support Britain and the Falkland Islands without actually saying so, he is doing his best to make that happen.
122 Ricardit0 (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 07:25 pm
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123 Pete Bog (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
“You said you did not consider themselves British but the laws of your country, Britain, yes.”

The Falkland Islanders make their own laws, if they were ruled from the UK, their laws would be made in the UK Parliament.

I'm not sure why you find this impossible to understand.
124 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
@114teen troll toby

No link for that 'distraction'?

Is your statement just a limp fabrication of events????
125 Alexei (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
@100 Alzheimer's is a terrible affliction I should sympathise. I assumed he was just another mouthy idiot in the Chávez/Timerman mould
126 scottbart (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
When these south Americans start talking politics it makes me laugh! Who is this prat again? there wasnt a base until argentina invaded and they are eyeing it up again, fools!
Since alot of the worlds untapped oil is in Canada doesn that mean they now under threat ?LOL
SA really need to start looking at themselves, who are they to try and tell countries who have been democracys for many hundreds of years that they should abandon peoples wills and give their land away?
We have done the hard yards and got the scars, its about time these twats realised how backwards they are on the world stage!
127 José Malvinero (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
123 Pete Bog

I repeat: I understand perfectly.
Argentina always said kelpers were British (implanted) and Britain denied it systematically:
British Nationality Act 1981: those born in British dependent territories, are not British.
After the Falklands war of 1982, was repeated ad nauseum “the wishes of the islanders are paramount” as a result came:
British Nationality Act 1983: those born in the Falklands are British citizens, if their father or mother is a British citizen or resident in the Islands.
Its people are no different from those of the metropolis.
Britain that had gone to war hypocritically defending the desires of its occupants, gave reason to Argentina.
In 2002 came the automatic citizenship to British overseas territories and the Falklands, automatically.
So, better get British feeling just (106 golfcronie). There are not a different people from the metropolis, a group of British can not be judges and party to a conflict between two nations.
128 José Malvinero (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
For God!!
In the number 127 where it says “Falklands” i meant forever ISLAS MALVINAS ARGENTINAS forever!. The translator!
129 Clyde15 (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
I'm afraid not Jose. It is a classic example of a Freudian slip.
Your sub conscious mind knows that the Island's correct name is the Falklands and that is why you named it correctly.
130 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
127josé M

”So, better get British feeling just (106 golfcronie). There are not a different people from the metropolis, a group of British can not be judges and party to a conflict between two nations.“

Are you saying the Falklanders cannot be 'judges between UK and Argentina??

Of course not. They are one of the principle parties.
However, nobody be a judge over them either.

The Falklanders can chose any path they like.
They do not have to chose between UK or Argentina.
They can choose to have a 'close liason' with any entity they choose, or complete Independence.

The UN cannot impose a government on them, and neither can Argentina.

Case closed.

@128 José M again,

How can you post twice in a row? Do you have two accounts whose names can be switched????

Oops!!! You are getting careless, LOL!

BTW, you are correctly using the term ”Falklands” to describe the islands, that is their proper name.

You must be the most enlightened troll, afterall.

I don't believe you ever used the “Translator”.

LOL, too funny, Dumkopf.

131 José Malvinero (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 11:11 pm Report abuse

“Case closed.” ha ha ha ha ha aha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chau!, naive pirate.
132 John III (Pope) (#) Mar 27th, 2013 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
Its an article about European bases on America. This is what the Uruguayans are concerned about. Just like the US in the 1930s.

Time to get Euro scum out of America!
133 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 12:37 am
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134 george briton (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 12:59 am
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135 graciela rodriguez (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 01:22 am
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136 John III (Pope) (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 06:03 am Report abuse
The link? The article is just above. Can you not see it?

The relevance is that, then as now, its time to get the Euro scum out of America!
137 Clyde15 (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 10:33 am Report abuse
Well, that's the bulk of the Argies on a boat back to Spain and Italy ! I am sure the indigenous Amerindian population would rejoice in that !!

Also. not a very Christian sentiment your Eminence.
I think that, as a penance, you should wear a hair shirt and repeat the credo, I believe in the right of the Islanders to live in peace without interference from ARGENTINA.
This you should confirm in a Papal Bull to be read out in all Catholic churches in ARGENTINA.
138 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
&136 tween troll toby

article about 1930's - where is it??

In what context were whatever statements made, by who?

It sounds as ridiculous then as it does now - but that is consistent with you.

139 screenname (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
@136 John III (Pope):

Does father Frankie fit in with your 'Euro scum'?

He has already gone back to Italy...but I think it might get a bit crowded when you evict the other 40ish million 'Argentines' back to Europe.
140 John III (Pope) (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
For the articles see the Times circa 1972. Also see the Canadian papers of the same period. There was quite a bit of excitement at the time, as I remember.
141 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
@140 teen troll

“For the articles see the Times circa 1972. Also see the Canadian papers of the same period. There was quite a bit of excitement at the time, as I remember.”

I think you need to be more specific, I am hardly going to slog through years and years of US and Canadian newspaper articles to try to get an idea what your obscure reference pertains to.

Was it not clear enough in your mind that you can't make a proper argument or link together specific source material to prove your point?

There are certain academic standards to presenting an argument and the evidence to back it up, both sadly lacking in your case.

Essentially, you are presenting a disjointed, unsubstantiated statement with no references.

Sorry, next!!!
142 Liberty12 (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
To: 2 idlehands. No you're rattled. Nobody else is talking about that phony election in Falklands. Too bad you Brits can't afford to own your own homes. Your own govt that exploits you and world is nowgoing to tax your home if it is underutilized. Awwwwww! Too bad. Might as well give up your ossified Type 45 destroyers.
143 Clyde15 (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
Nobody else is talking about the “election”( actually a referendum, a different thing ), in the Falklands.
What has your clown of a foreign minister being doing, and all the Argie trolls on MercoPress. I suppose it could not be called a proper referendum as contrary to Argie rules, no one was bribed to vote.
Who says that homes will taxed if underutilized.?
You have willfully misunderstood the concept.
No one who owns their own homes will be taxed on anything, read it a bit more carefully instead of the usual superficial way Argie supporters pick up half truths and propagate them as gospel, eg The Falklands belong to Argentina ,what a piece of nonsense.
The whole world knows that they are a BOT, even the population and govt. of Argentina. As THEY are a society of kleptomaniacs, THEY like stealing things--money from bondholders , land from the indigenous population and anything else that is not screwed down !
As to not owning our own homes, there is a 69% home ownership in the UK and we rank 13th in the world stats.
Argentina comes nowhere on the list as I suppose living under bridges or cardboard boxes does not count.
Ossified Type 45 destroyers --and the Argentine Navy consists of what ? Clapped out vessels that either cannot put to sea or sink in harbour.
To end with a conciliatory note, it matters not what you or your govt. say, you are absolutely powerless to do anything except whine until you give everyone tinitus and then they cannot hear what you say.
Thank you for your concern but we have something to be thankful for, it could be a lot worse, imagine the misfortune of being Argentinian !!!!!!!!!!!!!
144 redpoll (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
Doonhaimer Good post. Snotty is just an atorrante = a person living in a sewer pipe made by A Torrant & Co ltd
145 El Capitan (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 07:03 pm
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146 ChrisR (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
128 José Malvinero

Try number 666.

It suits you much better.
147 golfcronie (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
FALKLANDERS make their own laws. THEY ARE FALKLAND ISLANDERS. They depend on the UK for FOREIGN POLICY and DEFENCE ( otherwise up to them to decide their own future.
Argentinians make their own laws. They are ARGENTINIANS, Do you understand?
148 John III (Pope) (#) Mar 28th, 2013 - 10:18 pm Report abuse
Suit yourself. If you are too lazy to haul yourself off your limey lard-ass and educate yourself then you can remain ignorant.

We saved your sorry asses in WWII. Our mistake was to not keep going and taking you out as well. We talked about it at the time.

We also missed a good opportunity in 1956 although we did convert you to puppy dogs. So although you are still up to the same tricky that you were in 1940 you are limited to doing it with the likes of the Falklands / Malvinas.
149 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 12:20 am Report abuse
@148 teen troll

WTF are you blathering about, you demented twit???

“We” - LOL, it had nothing to do with Toby
150 redpoll (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 12:26 am Report abuse
Heil Snotty, the ageing survivor of the Hitler Youth.Or is he one of Mengeles genetic creations?
151 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 01:11 am Report abuse

teen troll toby is Too Funny!!

I wish he would speak English though, not Orc-speak!!

“Saved” us ??

and in the same breath, “keep going”, “take you out”???

Are you referring to yourselves as the Nazi's???

“convert you to puppy dogs”??

“ same tricky that you were in 1940 ”??

wtf ????

I thought your parents were new 'implants' to Argentina' ??

We're your parents friends of Hitler?, Franco?? or Nicolae Ceaușescu????

Sure sounds like it!!!

Oh, here is a link for you, relieve your ignorance:șescu
152 Elsa Martinez (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 03:36 am
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153 redpoll (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 03:48 am Report abuse
@ Hi Elsa Fernandez or is it Cristina Martinez?
Snotty,I am surprised at you. Cross dressingwith Sussie you naughty boy
154 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 03:54 am Report abuse
@148 teen troll toby

Hey, snotty-nose, this link should work better:șescu

Some good bits on 'Personality Cult' of a Dictator, his fall from grace and attempted forced escape by helicopter from his own Presidential Palace.
Grabbed by his own Army, trying to flee, the Dictator has a quick 2-hr. 'show-trial' and then he and his wife are bound in the courtroom, with her screaming. They are led outside and shot.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes after Crissy defaults on Argentina's debt. , before she stages a re-enactment and faces a death by the mob, er... I mean, Court.
Maybe the same Judges she tried to intimidate.

I bet CLARIN shows it on the News!!
155 Conqueror (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 11:45 am Report abuse
@73 Uruguay suffers from some major problems. For a start, it's right next to argieland. Then, it let's argies in. It can't help suffering contagion.
@84 What's your problem? Let's see if I can clarify for you. When, and IF, there is a comment from someone we give a TOSS about, we MAY listen. There are only 1 or 2 states in South America that come in that category. Uruguay and argieland don't. And nobody gets to INSIST to us. Especially for NON-BINDING resolutions.
@96 You're quite right. “Only” the minister of foreign affairs of a tiny little insignificant country that is rapidly moving to becoming “tinpot”.
@104 Slight difference. The people that you call “Brits” are living on our Islands. There are no argies living on some “random UK island”. If there were, it would become a missile range.
@105 You sound like some manic psycopath. Oh, I forgot, you are.
@107 And so you display your ignorance. Or lack of education. As I have pointed out to DumboverDover, “citizenship” and “nationality” are not the same thing. Although the result “may” be the same. Can't help you with your Italian “blow-bys”. But I can assure you that a child of British parents , even if born in Buenos Aires, IS British.
@111 What's interesting about it? At one time, the yanks tried to take Canada. They couldn't.
@113 No, they didn't.
@120 Your comment is like mud. Thick mud.
@131 Sorry, sonny. The 1982 Falklands War ended it. It is truly “Case closed”.
@132 The Falkland Islands aren't in “America”. Think about it. Is France in Britain? They are only 20 miles apart!
@142 Actually, everybody's talking about it. You should learn to read.
@148 Saved us in WW2? That's a joke, right? And “your” first action was to get caught napping, right? Then you wouldn't take advice and watched Germans sinking your ships on a daily basis, right? Even some of your “planes” were crap until they got British engines. You know what you were? Cannon fodder.
@152 Pretty dumb, Sussie. Isolde hasn't commented
156 John III (Pope) (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
When I say “we” I mean the good old USA. And, having been a tax payer all my working life, that means I've been bailing your sorry butt out just so you Euro trash can perform you usual tricks.
157 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
@156 Sussie

Ok, Sussie, end of discussion.

You are so far removed from coherent thought and reality, I thought you really were that very sad malcontent, “Toby”.

It was easy to get you confused. You both have times of drug-induced gibberish.

158 ynsere (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
Conqueror @ 155

Conks, you silly bugger, do you think the UK would do better than Uruguay if it were in the same geographical location? May I remind you that Uruguay was set up by British diplomacy as a buffer state between the two regional bully boys?
Apologise immediately! Grovel!
It's just that we have a shit gov't at present. The UK has had some too.
Your posts are always amusing, occasionally intelligent. Don't let yourself down.
159 John III (Pope) (#) Mar 29th, 2013 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
You don't get to say when it ends. We do. And we coming for you as we should have in 1945.
160 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 30th, 2013 - 12:50 am Report abuse

161 Clyde15 (#) Mar 30th, 2013 - 10:07 am Report abuse
American and can't even write the language correctly.
You are as American as Kim Jong Sung !
We are absolutely terrified at the thought of YOU coming for us, as antibiotics are becoming resistant to a dose of the clap or whatever disgusting diseases your body is host too.
162 ChrisR (#) Mar 30th, 2013 - 11:30 am Report abuse
158 ynsere

Conk seems to lose himself at times but he STILL cannot understand the position we are in with TMBOA doing her best to do down our country just because she is jealous that we have a better lifestyle.

Mind you, anything, even N.Korea, must be better than The Dark Country.
163 Sussie,US (#) Mar 30th, 2013 - 08:43 pm
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164 José Malvinero (#) Mar 30th, 2013 - 09:23 pm Report abuse

“But I can assure you that a child of British parents , even if born in Buenos Aires, IS British.”

Sos fool?. It's exactly what I said in my comment. In Europe governs the Right of Blood, so the children of Europeans born in another country, Europeans remain. In your example, the son of a British born in Buenos Aires, as well as being British, is Argentine. Are you fool that can not understand?
165 Cristina Fernandez (#) Mar 30th, 2013 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
Its always fun coming to this website and read the crazy things that people say and presumably believe. Hard to know if they are crazy, just plain stupid or evil manipulators of public opinion. Would be interesting to see what they would say if they were connected to the mains, how long they would maintain their fictions. Maybe need for a spanish type inquistion to test their beliefs? Something they should be at home with since they have vivid memories going back so many years, 1830 is like yesterday; a few hundred years more would be like last year? Since this guy thinks that Germany is next door neighbour he better get worried in his crazy world incase they come after him. Methinks that that part of the world is come from a rift in space/time from an alternate reality. Its the only explanation that makes sense. It certainly doesnt belong to the world I know.
166 axel arg (#) Mar 30th, 2013 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
I Heard of the news last week that president from bolivia evo morales decided to demand chile, in relation to it's claim for acceding to the sea.
Many people in this forum know what i think about the idea of discussing the malvinas-falkland cause before the court. In fact, i debated i different oportunities with some people about arg.'s proposals of arbitration, and about the u. k.'s idea of discussing just the cases of the dependencies from the islands, s. georgia and sandwich in 1947.
During my investigations about the historic and the legal aspects of this conflict in 2010, i had an interview with an ex professor of public international right from u. b. a. (university from buenos aires), and i asked her wether she thought that taking the case to the i. c. j. was a good idea, and she answered me she agreeded on that step.
However after 1947 there wasn't any other proposal of arbitration by none of the two countries. I have always thought that if none of the two parts proposes to give that step, is because perhaps neather arg. nor the u. k. are sure of getting a positive result if the case is discussed before the court.
Anyway, beyond my thought, and beyond the omissions of governments, i think that we all should wonder why can't we do the same than bolivia.
I think it's the only one way to finish with the u. k.'s hypocresy, every time it asks for the application of the right to self determination for this case, when that right actually has never been applied for this case by the u. n., as it was for other colnial situations, due to this cause has always been considered like a special colonial situation by the d. c. from the u. n.
It's obvious and expectable that both governments tell just what is convenient for them, in reference to the historic and the legal aspects of this conflict, but we all must be more intelligent, instead of buying so easily their propoganda, like many people in this forum do.
167 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 04:29 am Report abuse

You're flogging a dead horse.

Why would Britain take anything to the ICJ??

The Islanders already have possession of their islands and their homes, and have had continuous sovereignty for 200 years. They are quite happy with that.

If Argentina wishes to discuss Sovereignty, they can talk to the Falklanders, and have been invited to do so, very openly and publically.
Argentina declined.

If Argentina thinks they have a legal case for Sovereignty of the Fslklands, they can start an action with the ICJ.
Argentina continues to decline.

Axel, Britsin and the Falklands have no cause to do *anything*.

It is up to Argentina.

BTW, no matter how much you “study the situation”, or how many times you ask for action from Britain, the answer will always be the same - “talk to the Falkland Island inhabitants”.

You refuse to do that.

Sorry, it's up to you.
168 axel arg (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 08:58 pm
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169 n0ta (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 12:54 am Report abuse
161 Clyde15
anyone that is born in north, central and south american is known as an american,,,,//// most of northamericans people speak and write differently from the bloody rubbish english people. Remember what is said!
170 Clyde15 (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
Which one are you this time? Sussie, or an alter ego.
As far as WE are concerned, an American is a native of the USA !! The United States of AMERICA !
When the President of the USA makes a speech, he says “My fellow AMERICANS ”. He means the USA only !
We then have Mexico to the South and Canada to the North. I am sure the would not refer to themselves as Americans.
We then have Central America and then the South American continent. Would a Brasilian or Argentinian call themselves American? I think not.
They way you write has a Hispanic/Latino connotation as if it was NOT your primary language.
“Remember what is said!” That is too ambiguous a phrase to mean anything. Do you mean remember what I say ? or remember what is said--about what ? Confusing isn't it.
I think I will leave it there as a discourse on the English language would fly above your head. Keep posting in your patois.
171 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 12:44 pm Report abuse



In fact, what is really amusing is that you have just re-posted the SAME POST THAT I RESPONDED TO.

Funny that you cannot be bothered to actually argue - YOU JUST POST A STATEMENT, REGARDLESS OF THE DUBJECT OF THE THREADS.

I suspect that you are too stupid to argue points, or too lazy, or you realise that WHAT YOU POST IS ERRONEOUS AND INDEFENSIBLE.

“I have never been interested in persuading absolutely everybody on here”

You have persuaded nobody and will never persuade them.

Your strategy seems to be an attempt to wear is down by sheer repetition.

You are convincing nobody, but it takes no effort to come on here and simply repost again and again.

Sorry, nobody is listening anymore.

Get lost.
172 axel arg (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
I typed my comment in 4 articles because i wanted to have a serious debate with many people, i don't know what spam is, what i wanted to do is to talk to many people.
On the other hand, you accuse me of repeating erroneous concepts, however, my arguments are based on objetive facts, that's why i recommended you and many others to search in the news archive of this website what was expressed by the president from the d. c. from the u. n., when he explained the reasons why self determination can't be applied to this case, in fact, he refred to this question again, a few days before the referendum. However, if some of you prefer to invalid what he said, as some of you did, it's your problem, but the most important that the lack of intellectual honesty of some of you won't change in anything the legal situation of this conflict.
On the other hand, many of you accuse argentina of pretending just one outcome, which according to the interpretation of many people in this forum, arg. would accept the islands to be under argentine sovereignty only, but at the same time, many of you defend the posture of the govt. from the islands, every time they manifest that they would be disposed to discuss about different issues with arg., but not about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, isn't it pretending just one outcome too?, of course it is, and you all now it.
Anyway, as i said in another comment, wether you agree or not on what i think about this question, is absoluty irrelevant for me, because everybody have right to think whatever they want, however, there is something which is much more important than anybody's opinion, i mean objetive facts, and like it or not, they show that this case has strong and weak aspects for both nations.
173 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 03:21 pm Report abuse

Axel - you are a spamming troll, and your obvious mission is to perpetuate misinformation and propaganda.

Your mindless repetition is just ignored now.
174 axel arg (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
If you really consider that i am just repeating propaganda, then i hope in your next comment, you refute with solid arguments everything i said in my comment 172 or in any other. However if you answer is based on mediocre comments, then you should rethink about who is actually repeating propaganda, don't you think?.
175 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 07:01 pm Report abuse

You have repeated this over and over.

Several posters, including myself, have indulged you with answers to all your questions and assertions, several times.

You just do not accept them and return, saying nothing different.

Monastery has the patience to do do again, not are they obligated to.

Sorry. 'Bye.
176 GeoffWard2 (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
nota #169 is right;
Obama's claim to the word 'American' is unacceptible and not worthy of an educated man.
177 Clyde15 (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
I beg to differ. In the UK an American refers to a citizen of the USA. We would never call a Canadian an American just as we would not call an American a Canadian. Similarly we would use the word Mexican, Brazilian, Argentinian to denote citizens from these countries.
Whether you agree or not, the epithet American means ONLY a citizen of the USA to the English speaking world.
It's not only Obama, to my knowledge every President of the USA has used this phrase in their speeches and they are referring to the USA ONLY.
Maybe the Latinos/Hispanics have a different point of view.
178 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
@177 Clyde
Let me add, as a visitor from Canada to the UK, in the late 60's, people might say, “ oh, you're visiting from 'America', but never ”you're American“.

”America“ was strictly the North American continent, and certainly distinct from ”South America“ or ”Central America“ or ”Mexico“.

I was called a ”Canadian” ( though I am still British with UK Passport). Some were confused by my accent, and many wondered why I did not speak French.
Certainly, as someone from “America”, they did not expect me to speak Spanish!!

“Sussie ” and the rest of the South Americans, can call themselves whatever they like, but to the UK Brits, the Canadians, the USA themselves, even Cuba, and perhaps Mexico, the only ones referred to as “Americans” are the USA residents.

In my experience, most new immigrants are very quick to proudly claim they are “Americans” as soon as they get citizenship, including Cubans!!

It is an 'exclusive club' to belong to, and something to brag about to their new peers and to those still wanting to emigrate.

“Sussie” is a glaring example - a narcissist, he makes many gratuitous declarations that he lives in the US and implies that he is a citizen, enjoying all the material benefits of that society.

However, as a US resident, he has many very strange political positions and does not speak as someone who is a legitimate member of that society.

At most, I suspect he visited once, and has failed in his aspiration to move there.

Bitter. Frustrated. Argentine.

179 GeoffWard2 (#) Apr 03rd, 2013 - 09:06 am Report abuse
Both me and my partner are proud to say that 'The Americas' is part of our C.V. Me by migration, her by birth.

It has always struck me as strangely lax that the 50 or so nations of the Americas should allow one nation to appropriate their American-ness.

A citizen of the the USA is no more of an American than an Argentinian.
180 Clyde15 (#) Apr 03rd, 2013 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
You are a citizen of South America !!
181 axel arg (#) Apr 03rd, 2013 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
My opinions are always based on objetive facts, not on seculations. You and evereybody else can agree or not on what i think, in fact, everybody have right to think whatever, but what always prevaills is the reality.
On the other hand, if i weren't cricti of some aspects that involve our government, in reference to the historic and the legal aspects of this conflict, i just would take into account what our official history says about it, and what our politicians manifest in different international forums, however you and all the rest of the forists know what i think about these two issues.
Beside, if i believed in our official history, i wouldn't investigate absolutly anything.
You and some other forists accuse me of repeating propaganda, however neather you nor many other people in this forum have never criticised absolutly anything in relation to the postures of the governments from the u. k., and from the islands.
If you and all the rest of the forists think that just our politcians omit information in reference to the historic andthe legal aspects of this conflict, then i recommend you again that you should rethink about who is actually repeating propaganda.
182 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 03rd, 2013 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
No matter how much you bleat“ we must talk”, you continue to refuse to do it when you are offered the opportunity.

There is no more to discuss about that.

You have “investigated”?
Investigated what??

What exactly are your conclusions?
Show us some articles to support your position, whatever it is.

You ask us to “admit” we were wrong or made mistakes. What mistakes, specifically?

Until then, your posts are meaningless.

The UK has no reason to talk to you, and you will not talk to the Falklanders.
183 scottbart (#) Apr 03rd, 2013 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
172 axel arg (#)
The French have a more valid claim than Argentina, the Islands were called Malvinas by the French. Argentinas claim only resurfaced after WW2 when the UK was giving back lands and really it is just Argentina trying it on. It doesnt matter who wants to own the islands the modern world gives people rights and they dont want anything to do with Argentina, the fact is at no point in time have the islands been part of argentina and I doubt many argentines would what to live there anyway. Wasnt also the USA who sent a ship to get rid of some argentines on them? Clearly the USA at that time didnt think you should have been there.
It also makes me laugh when some of these statesmen come out saying “UK empire” etc etc when they are clearly of WHITE EUROPEAN descent, the hypocrisy is unreal!

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