Monday, April 1st 2013 - 09:13 UTC

Cameron and Rajoy scheduled to meet this month, says Madrid media

The prime ministers of Spain and Britain will meet in Madrid during the second week of April, according to a weekend report in ABC. The article said the meeting between Mariano Rajoy and David Cameron would centre primarily on the Euro-zone crisis.

The official agenda the Euro-zone crisis but yes, Gibraltar is also expected to the addressed

But the newspaper’s veteran diplomatic editor, Luis Ayllon, said it could not be ruled out that Gibraltar might also make it onto the agenda.

A spokesman for No.10 Downing Street declined to comment on the ABC report. “We don’t confirm the Prime Minister’s travel arrangements in advance,” the spokesman said.

Ever since it was elected into government late in 2011, Spain’s Popular Party has repeatedly called for a return to bilateral negotiations with the UK over Gibraltar.

But on each occasion, Britain has robustly rejected any return to bilateralism.

Under the so-called ‘double lock’ formula, the UK will never enter into arrangements under which the people of Gibraltar would pass under the sovereignty of another state against their wishes.

Furthermore, the UK will not enter into any process of sovereignty negotiations with which Gibraltar is not content.

In common with the Gibraltar Government, the UK advocates a return to the trilateral process.

The ABC report also said that Rajoy would meet in Madrid with the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon during the first week of April. Among the issues they will discuss is Spain’s wish to become a permanent member of the UN Security Council.


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1 Anbar (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 11:35 am Report abuse
why would spain be considered as/for a permanent member of the SC?
2 screenname (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 11:36 am Report abuse
“Spain’s wish to become a permanent member of the UN Security Council”

If your troops run away after a terrorist attack on your country, then you don't get a say in policing the world.
3 Shed-time (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 12:57 pm Report abuse
@2 but the french ran away from the germans a few times, no?
4 thorpeman (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 01:40 pm Report abuse
Maybe the Spanish are going to use the full force of their military might to uphold UN resolutions?
5 Shed-time (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
@4 I cannot think of a country less likely to get a permanent UN Security council place. I think 20% of their GDP is spent on the Guardia Civil kidnapping Gibraltarians.
6 ChrisR (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
But both of them will be able to compare notes on how it feels to be lame duck 'Leaders'
7 Shed-time (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
@6 I'd be inclined to agree with you there. Neither seems to be in control of anything.
8 Anbar (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
“”@2 but the french ran away from the germans a few times, no?“”

yeah but they've got nukes now, which they can fire WHILST running away.
9 screenname (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
@3 Shed-time: Are you calling Germans terrorists?

The Germans beat the French a few times, but do not doubt the Frence resolve to fight. They actually have the best win record in Europe, and they covered the British evacuation at Dunkirk, before we went back to pull out what free-French forces we could save.
10 Shed-time (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
@9 I agree. It still doesn't answer the question of why the Spanish, a morally and economically bankrupt country, should be given a place at the table though.
11 screenname (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
@10 Shed-time

They should not, and will not.

After the 2004 Madrid bombings they ran away and never came back. Spineless and not to be relied on.
12 THEMan (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
Neither country should be on the Security Council, and the Security Council should be disbanded anyway...
13 Shed-time (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
@12 and what pray tell, do you suggest should fill that void?
14 JimHandley (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 06:47 pm Report abuse

As a native Briton and former resident of SELF GOVERNING Gibraltar –so much so, that even I had to obtain a resident's permit– during part of Franco's blockade, I wonder why Falklanders and Gibraltarians do try to make common cause with the many Portuguese who are justifiably pissed-off over by Spain's occupation of the city of Olivenza (Olivença) captured from Portugal by French and Spanish invaders, during the War of the Oranges, at the time of the Peninsular War against Napoleon.

It's a pity that the continuing 'Olivenza Dispute' is so little known to the public–especially in Spain, where successive governments have deliberately suppressed the dissemination of REAL History.

For more details see:

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Jim, in Madrid.
15 slattzzz (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
@13 well seeming as one of the top guys of the c24 is Syrian I'd say what a waste of space, FFS sussie could fill that void or even you. It still doesn't answer the question of why the Spanish, a morally and economically bankrupt country, should be given a place at the table though. So why does rgenweener keep running to the C24 when they are twice as bad as Spain, sorry three times as bad.
@12 correct waste of time, money and resources
16 briton (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
Seeing as the UN is ignored most of the time,
By those who use its none existent power to suit there own corruption,
The UN is to old and should be replaced,

Nato, a powerhouse, with to many hanger onns [now]
But has no political power, should also be removed,

A new group should emerge a Federation??????
If Spain ever become a member of the security council like Argentina,
Then the British should withdraw,
Next Zimbabwe, Somalia , and Cuba will be on the council,
Alone with the rest of the magic

17 slattzzz (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
The only members of the security council should be the ones with the ablility to wipe the human race off the face of the earth ie those with nuclear weapons, I don't mean that in a derogatry way but the more power you give the tin pot countries the more chance you see of those weapons being used, ie North Korea, Iran, rgenweener. These weapons were put in place to stop a holocaust not start one, a deterrent. Give them to any tinpot country and keep your gas masks handy. The history of the world proves people will follow like sheep and do what they are brainwashed to do ( Germans, Italians, argentina, and a good few others) N.Korea are on the short road to getting a bucket of sunshine as are Iran, they won't like it and will no doubt complain till the cows come home as will other countries that continually harass and threaten thier smaller nieghbours, the only one thing that is sure is that your time will come and you won't like it.
18 JimHandley (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
For: 10 Shed-time.


May I assure you that the Spaniards are no more, nor less “morally bankrupt” than any other race. Rather –as in sadly, too many cases of the older generations– they are part of the international, hapless victims of lying World Capitalism's self-serving, propaganda.

Luckily however, Spain’s disenchanted youth is educated to the point where it rejects such foreign manipulation and reacts by turning toward the truly worthwhile goals of saving the environment, the eradication of Third World poverty, international cooperation, and whatnot.

So why do you persist in gratuitously insulting those of whom you patently have no personal knowledge? For such loud-mouthed ignorance will certainly make you far more enemies than friends...


Jim, in Madrid (81 this month)
19 ChrisR (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
Even if it comes to a shooting war with N. Korea I very much doubt that nuclear weapons will be used by S. Korea’s allies. Far too much political fallout would accompany the nuclear type and it is not really necessary when you look at the alternatives.

I suspect that a number of fuel / air bombs would be enough to put the fat kid on his arse OR one BLU-82B or “Daisy Cutter” (this is NOT a fuel / air bomb) dropped in the centre of Pyongyang will most certainly convince the military that they cannot even think of taking on America.

The 1,100 M diameter blast area is nothing to the psychological effect of this device. The 1,000 psi air pressure adjacent to the point of ignition is devastating and is felt miles away.

Far less lethal than nuclear but very effective when the locals need to have a lesson on reality.
20 THEMan (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
What should fill the void of the Security Council? I'd prefer to have the GA decide on such matters as it allows all countries to decide on the matter and not a select group including a few that wield a veto, which scuppers up many chances for action.
21 Shed-time (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
@18 Yes Jim, the spanish youth resort to such altruism as stealing a flag off gibraltarian children before shouting and booing them at football competitions.

@20 An american once said “A committee is made up of people who individually can do nothing, and yet together can decide that nothing can be done”.
22 JimHandley (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
For: 21 Shed-time

You really DO talk unmitigated, nonsensical rubbish, Mate!!!

For to quote an isolated, “alleged” incident, perpetrated by football hooligans –all of whom (of whatever nationality) are little more than mindless effing cretins, whose base, primeval tribal instincts are so easily exploited by the judicially proven, corrupt multinational money-making machine which masquerades as F.I.F.A.– defeats all attempts to REASON with bloody-minded bigots.

Incidentally, everyone knows that Spanish football fans are invariably less badly behaved than their boozed-up, British counterparts!!!

Finally, if you're so SURE of yourself, why not let EVERYONE know your REAL name and place of abode rather than COWARDLY hide behind a stupid synonym?

Jim, in Madrid.
23 Shed-time (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
@22 You can call me a coward if you like, and if it really makes you feel better.

Incidentally, I don't like nor I have any interest in the ins-and-outs of Association Poorball. I leave that to the poor people, who don't like good sports like Rugby and Cricket. I agree that most poorballing associations are quite probably corrupt. The games are likely to be decided in advance by the poorball entertainment companies, that adherents curiously refer to as 'clubs'. It appears from the outside to be as organised as those WWE wrestling matches that Americans like to watch, where no one seems to get bruised.
24 screenname (#) Apr 01st, 2013 - 11:25 pm Report abuse
@22 JimHandley:

Hi and welcome Jim.

You need to calm down.
25 JimHandley (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 12:30 am Report abuse
For: 23 Shed-time.

I was once a 'rather good' Rugby back, myself. My sons and grandsons have followed my footsteps. So I must say that your hegemonic ravings are a downright disgrace to the SPORTING ethos of the world's greatest game!!!

For: 24 screenname.

Thanks. But what on earth makes you suppose that I should 'calm-down' in the face of such idiotic, inconsequential utterances, which –if they weren't so stupidly pathetic– would be ludicrous? I'm sitting here in Madrid, placidly drinking my beer and unlike you, telling EVERYONE EXACTLY WHO I AM...

Re: a possible second Korean War.

Having taken part in the original conflict, I must say that I agree with REASONED the comments I've read.

In the relatively well-defined geopolitical ambience of 60 years' ago, the U.S. leadership lacked the political will to deploy nuclear weapons. So they're even less likely to do so at the present time –especially given that U.S. and other BANKRUPT Western economies depend so deeply upon Chinese investment and trade.

So let's hope that nothing comes of the current sabre-rattling. Otherwise, the N. Koreans WILL ferociously fight to the bitter end and worldwide, many millions will suffer, both physically and financially as a result.

Jim, in Madrid.
26 slattzzzz (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 01:15 am
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27 Shed-time (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 01:51 am Report abuse
@25 don't calm down then. Stay really irate and shouty about who you are and where you are. It matters not, and it also doesn't give you extra 'cool' points.
28 Anglotino (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 07:12 am Report abuse
Wow it's like Think and DoD had a love child. It is both old and has military experience and they named it JimHandley.

“BANKRUPT Western economies depend so deeply upon Chinese investment and trade.”

First, not all western economies are bankrupt Jim. Just the one you have decided to live it to stretch your meagre pension further it would seem. My country is far from bankrupt.

Secondly, as China found out to its chagrin, its economy depends quite deeply on western economies to both invest in and trade with. This probably escaped your notice when you were discussing “the international, hapless victims of lying World Capitalism's self-serving, propaganda” of which China is now fully integrated with. Though North Korea has escaped this conspiracy - how proud they must feel as they sip their bark, twig and grass soup looking over the concentration camp compound.

“Spain’s disenchanted youth is educated to the point where it rejects such foreign manipulation and reacts by turning toward the truly worthwhile goals of saving the environment, the eradication of Third World poverty, international cooperation, and whatnot.”

Really I haven't seen much of this. I'd really love to see the source and proof of such a massive increase in young Spaniards doing environmental work, helping to eradicate poverty in the DEVELOPING WORLD (third world is so last century) and where this increase in international cooperation is happening other than the masses of young Spaniards emigrating looking for work in FOREIGN countries.

In successful economies we just call these people unemployed.

As it obviously upsets you:
My name is..... none of your business.
My age is.... none of your business.
My abode is..... Brunswick West, Victoria, Australia - can't miss it, there's a severe lack of disenfranchised youth rioting and protesting at the actions of governments they and their parents kept voting for over the last 30 years.
29 Shed-time (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 07:58 am Report abuse
@28 west Brunswick - nice place.
30 JimHandley (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 10:43 am Report abuse
For those who take issue with my defence of 'Young Spaniards morality':

I'll be brief 'cos I haven't time to waste attending the daft replies.

It's odd that an OZZY should CENSURE those who wish to emigrate in search of a better life!

Strictly, the market-based Australian economy is NOT Western, it's ASIAN and therefore –in common with those of BRICS– largely depends on Western trade too. True, Australia is TEMPORARILY buoyant but that felicitous aberration is unlikely to last much longer.

It's great to hear that Australia's youth is ALLEGEDLY so universally content and well-behaved –except the Aborigines' kids, of course!

Frankly, I fear that if Chinese military might continues to grow at its present rate, that Australia will eventually be forced to accept millions of Chinese immigrants –all looking for 'Lebensraum'– for history has an unfortunate habit of repeating itself. I do hope that I’m wrong but even so, you and your compatriots will still have to contend with the devastating effects of an increasing number of natural disasters, due to global warming. And we all know whose to blame for THAT!

Incidentally, I DO have some limited knowledge of both Australian and Chinese affairs. During my time in Korea, an Ozzy comrade and I (together), were among the very few who were lucky enough to escape from a Chinese P.O.W. Camp...

Subsequently, I lived in Hong Kong from where, I visited Australia several times.

Finally, I fail to understand WHY those who are so SECRETIVE about their TRUE identities should feel that their outrageous 'Übermenschen' philosophy is so fascinatingly intriguing as to merit PUBLIC dissemination. Rather than labouring us all with so much ill-considered rhetoric, perhaps they ought go back to PRIVATELY reading their Eugenics handbooks?


From a CALM yet utterly incredulous Jim, in Madrid.
31 Shed-time (#) Apr 02nd, 2013 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
@30. Strewth mate, you need to take a chill pill with and a bundy with all that sangria. As I'm not poor nor a train robber I'm unlikely to ever abandon this place for life in Spain, reading the daily mail, eating 'english breakfasts' on loop, whilst simultaneously complaining in English about how foreigners in the UK don't learn English. Ultimately, I cannot really identify with your life there.

It's not like I'd move to the Vatican like catholic economy slayer St Tony of Blair for that matter either.

@28 West Brunswo, nice place. Near the footy.

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