Monday, May 20th 2013 - 07:12 UTC

Falkland Islands: Argentina blasts UK’s ‘double standard’ on self determination right

Argentina questioned the UK after its negative vote at the United Nations General Assembly “to place French Polynesia back on the UN list of non autonomous territories that should be decolonised” Additionally Argentina renewed its claim over the Falkland Islands sovereignty and described the UK attitude, ‘colonial hypocrisy’.

Timerman took advantage of the Polynesian situation to claim Falklands/Malvinas

The UN General Assembly last week affirmed “the inalienable right of the people of French Polynesia to self-determination and independence.” Four countries - the United Kingdom, the United States, Germany and the Netherlands - “all disassociated themselves from the consensus vote”, and France walked out of the chamber.

Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman in an official release stated Argentina is convinced “the UN shall revise the decolonization process. We demand it for Malvinas and all colonial enclaves still existing in the 21st century” Timerman stressed.

“The UK once again shows its double standard regarding the peoples’ right to self-determination” when voting against the resolution that benefits French Polynesia, when in the case of Malvinas it tries “to force the interpretation” of such right.

“The UK forces the interpretation of the right to self determination in the case of Malvinas but denies it to the peoples of Polynesia and Chagos; Colonial hypocrisy”.

“French Polynesia has been inhabited since the year 300 by autochthonous Polynesians and has been prey of different colonial ambitions for centuries. In 1889 France made it a protectorate and in 1946 changed its status to French Overseas Territory”, says the release.

While this happened in Polynesia the UK pretends to implement that inalienable right to an implanted British population following a military occupation of the Malvinas Islands with the sole purpose of concealing an anachronistic colonial situation.

The release also recalls that “none of the over forty UN resolutions on the Malvinas question refer to self-determination”, but rather are defined as “a special and particular colonial case which involves a sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK, and calling on both sides to resume bilateral negotiations”.

 

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1 Xect (#) May 20th, 2013 - 07:31 am Report abuse
Yawn, old Hector is at it again with more nonsense nobody cares about.

It must be time for more Argentine bad news, so lets distract the lemmings with another nationalistic and empty load of words!
2 HansNiesund (#) May 20th, 2013 - 07:39 am Report abuse
“Polynesia's pro-independence party asked for the territory to be put back on the UN list when it controlled the government in 2011.
But the pro-independence lost an election this month and the government is now controlled by a party that backs the existing autonomy granted by France ..... The territory's assembly passed a resolution on Wednesday calling for the UN vote to be postponed ..... The Netherlands, United States and Germany said that the General Assembly should have taken account of the election in French Polynesia which kicked the independence party out of power.”

So this was hardly the UK taking a stance the principle of self-determination,. But it's nice to see Argentina coming out so strongly in favour of it.
3 Monkeymagic (#) May 20th, 2013 - 07:43 am Report abuse
So is Hector for self-determination or not?

LOL?
4 Think (#) May 20th, 2013 - 07:58 am Report abuse
TWIMC

Argentina is 100% in favour of the inalienable right of self-determination of PEOPLES .........

Individual English Crown Subjects squatting on some Islands 15,000 km from London, England; implanted and mantained in place by an English military invasion and ocupation DO NOT constitute a PEOPLE.
5 J.A. Roberts (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:06 am Report abuse
I see Think still struggles to tell the difference between English and British...

The vast majority of Argentines are implanted, so I don't know what you are complaining about?
6 Monkeymagic (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:11 am Report abuse
I am ok with the Argentine logic as long as it is applied across the board.

If only native people are allowed self-determination, and I am happy to use Hectors rather vague use of 300AD as a guide, we can hold elections tomorrow.

The Falklands would have an electorate of zero, as would Diego Garcia. The native Polynesians may or may not vote for independence.

However, the more interesting votes would be in Argentina where those remaining Amerindians who weren't slaughtered could vote to remove the Spanish and Italian implanted population put in place and maintained by a Spanish military invasion and occupation.

More fuckwittery from Hector methinks.
7 Think (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:12 am Report abuse
Turnip at (5)

Most of the world doesn't care about all them “fancy names” you like to call yourselves, Englishman....
8 agent999 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:21 am Report abuse
Turnip Think still spouting the same old rubbish and as usual avoiding any truthful statements.
9 Monkeymagic (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:27 am Report abuse
Poor Hector

“Argentina has been inhabited since the year 15000BC by autochthonous Amerindians and has been prey of different colonial ambitions for centuries. In 1500 Spain made it a protectorate and in 1814 changed its status to Argentine Territory”, says the release.

LOL
10 Faz (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:41 am Report abuse
Gollum.... I must have it... I want it... I want it, I want it... Preciousssss...... Gollum. What's that stink? It's a rottern turnip... Whingeing and whining as usual. Like Gollum you will never get it, we will never give it to you, just carry on eating your porridge. We know its twisting you up, we enjoy that, its fun watching you squirm... Vegetable
11 Think (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:47 am Report abuse
TWIMC
On a more relaxed corner…
Here, some fresh tweets from your favourite Argie girl ;-)

twitter.com/CFKArgentina/status/336249893846913026/photo/1

twitter.com/CFKArgentina/status/336250409716953088/photo/1

twitter.com/CFKArgentina/status/336250137603092483/photo/1
12 Conqueror (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:49 am Report abuse
@4 Argieland, of course, knows all about double standards. Argies ARE Spanish, Italian, German squatters. A bunch of mongrels implanted by a largely Spanish military invasion and genocide of the native people. Maintained by a totalitarian dictatorship that has committed virtually every crime in the book. Belligerence, corruption, depravity, genocide, larceny, mendacity, murder, nepotism, perversion, xenophobia all spring to mind. More than 10,000 km from Madrid, Spain, more than 11,000 km from Rome, Italy and nearly 12,000 km from Berlin, Germany, these racist mongrels do not constitute a PEOPLE.
@7 Yep. In the south-eastern area of South America, there is a bunch of criminal, genocidal, racist mongrels. They think they are a “country”. Nobody argues anymore because they cry a lot....... Oh, and for some reason, nobody trusts them or lends them money!
13 Trunce (#) May 20th, 2013 - 09:05 am Report abuse
@11 Think

Vito does have a passing resemblence to Nestor (the eyes). I understand reincarnation is quite fashionable presently in Latam ; )
14 redp0ll (#) May 20th, 2013 - 09:13 am Report abuse
Timmerman inconsistent as usual.
Argentina only evidently believes in the electoral process indicating the will of the people when it suits them which shows a deplorable lack of understanding of democracy
Oh yes and talking of squatters, isnt it time that terretories conquered by force from Paraguay and colonized by squatters and descendants of squatters should be returned to its rightful owners?
15 J.A. Roberts (#) May 20th, 2013 - 09:14 am Report abuse
Actually I'm Welsh, Think. But then I guess it's difficult for you to perceive differences like that since you're a German/Italian/Spaniard pretending to be an “Argentine”....
16 lsolde (#) May 20th, 2013 - 09:14 am Report abuse
Why so desperate, Think?
We are a people just as much as you are.
We are not all English, Think.
But a people never-the-less.
Stop deflecting, you are losing the war.
Accept it & move on.
You've passed the turnip stage.
You are at risk of becoming a cabbage.
17 Think (#) May 20th, 2013 - 09:19 am Report abuse
(13) Trunce

More than a passing resemblence, I would say.....
And Vito is as brave as Nestor was....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_2hg7GsVMA
18 HansNiesund (#) May 20th, 2013 - 09:19 am Report abuse
@11

Awww, isn't that cute? And are they all on the board of Aerolineas Argentinas?
19 Trunce (#) May 20th, 2013 - 09:29 am Report abuse
The objectives of the C24 have been rendered irrelevant as a consequence of the recent meeting in London of the G196 - so no further debate required on territorial issues.

www.dailysquib.co.uk/world/4005-world-governments-concede-they-do-not-actually-own-anything.html
20 Anglotino (#) May 20th, 2013 - 09:34 am Report abuse
So nice to see that Argentina supports self-determination for those entities on the UN list of non autonomous territories.

As not a single UN resolution has removed this right from the Falkland Islands and the UN Charter supports the “principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples” ergo Argentina cannot but support and recognise the right of self determination for the Islanders.

For those less enlightened members on here who spend a little too much time crafting sock puppets to troll, please quote the internationally recognised definitions of PEOPLES that the UN adheres to.

So to those that are too retarded to differentiate between English and British, I lay down this challenge: show me the UN recognised definition of 'a people' and quote the relevant international law or treaty that pertains to that definition.

Or you could just work harder on a new sock puppet because your current ones are a little threadbare.
21 lion (#) May 20th, 2013 - 09:55 am Report abuse
MR.TIMMERMAN, YOUR PARENTS FLED THE UKRAINE IN 1928 TO SETTLE IN ARGENTINA WHERE THEY WOULD NO LONGER HAVE
TO SUFFER THE HUMILIATION OF THE POGROMS:::::::::IN OTHER
WORDS THEY ARE OR WERE TRANSPLANTS FROM EASTERN EUROPE
N´EST-CE PAS?
AND NATURALLY THE SAME APPLIES TO YOU!
SO PLEASE STOP REFERING TO THE CITIZENS OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS AS IMPLANTS AND CONSIDER IN DETAIL THE
FATE AND FUTURE OF THE 95 % OF THE POPULATION
OF ARGENTINA WHO ARE IN THE MAIN EUROPEAN TRANSPLANTS.
FINALLY , YOUR CONSTANT REITERATION OF THE COLONIAL THEME
HAS BECOME QUITE TIRESOME, OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOUR OWN EXPANSIONIST AMBITIONS ?
22 Think (#) May 20th, 2013 - 10:02 am Report abuse
(16) lsolde

You ask....:
“Why so desperate, Think?”
I answer...:
Who?.... Me?.....

You say....:
“We are a people just as much as you are.”
I say....:
No, you aren't.... You ~2,400 Squatters in Malvinas are as much a People as the ~3,000 Madron FC supporters are a “People”

You tell me that....:
“We are not all English, Think.”
I happen to know that...:
Yes you are.... For ~90% of the world population you Engrish are just that...: Engrish.
23 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 10:03 am Report abuse
@ Think, Twat at 7 why don't you once and for all pack your black bin liners and head back home to Argentina instead of ponsing of a rich north European country-your yet to tell us all why Argentina is not a suitable enough place for you to live but there again you don't have to we all know.
24 LEPRecon (#) May 20th, 2013 - 10:26 am Report abuse
Hey Think

On another thread I posed a question that you have been deliberately ignoring.

That question is: just how long does a person and their families have to have lived in a country to be considered a citizen?

You refused to answer that question, because you knew it would destroy you so-called argument.

Are you now also going to ignore Anglotino's question about what the UN considers the definition of PEOPLE?

Well you will as you know that it would destroy your so-called argument (such as it is).

Tell you what, why don't you resort to your usual tactics of insulting people, then deflecting onto a completely random topic? The way you usually do when losing the argument.

Or maybe you'll just continue to ignore the questions posed as you know that you have no answer that backs up your pathetic and ill-thought out claims.

As for this article, the only country showing double standards is Argentina.

Self-determination is a fundamental human right as enshirned by the UN Charter. The people of French Polynesia democratically voted in a non-independence party. They don't need to be on the decolonisation list, and should they ever wish to break ties with France, all they need to do is hold a referendum.

That is true self-determination, allowing the people of territories to CHOOSE for themselves how they wish to be run, and which countries (if any) that they wish to associate with.

Perhaps we should put Tibet on this list too? And Taiwan. Because they truly have been 'colonised' by the Chinese, and could do with being 'decolonised', by allowing the PEOPLE to choose their own future.

By the way, the UN has NEVER defined what CONSTITITES a PEOPLE, so therefore there is no way that they can actually say whether the Falkland Islanders are 'a people', but then they cannot say whether Argentines are 'a people' either.
25 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 10:34 am Report abuse
No complaint about Germany abstaining then by old boy Hector but I guess having to kiss a woman's ass with the name of Kirchner on a daily bases says it all.
Double standards anyone????
26 Falkland Islands (#) May 20th, 2013 - 10:34 am Report abuse
@22 so how do you explain the Scotish and other nations that make up our British Community? There are some English, but mostly made up from multiple nations, including some Argies.
27 Zool (#) May 20th, 2013 - 10:54 am Report abuse
Argentina is 100% in favor of the inalienable right of self-determination of PEOPLES ......... Just not the Falkland Islanders, Native South Americans, Brazilians & Chillians who happen to live on land Argentina desires Or the Tibetan people who they have sold out to China .
28 Philippe (#) May 20th, 2013 - 11:00 am Report abuse
Timerman is a hyphenated “Argentinean” implanted from where Israel,? Poland?
Should he and his fellow hyphenated-Argentineans have the right of self-determination? Of course not, because they were massively implanted!!

Philippe
29 Steve-33-uk (#) May 20th, 2013 - 11:05 am Report abuse
'The Pope puts the Falklands on the map - Greg Burke, the Vatican's communications adviser, says Pope Francis seems unaware that he has maps in his official residence which refer to the Falklands, rather than the Malvinas, which is how they are referred to in his native Argentina...'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10067283/The-Pope-puts-the-Falklands-on-the-map.html

'Argentina: The beginning of a wave of resource nationalism'
www.theforeignreport.com/2013/05/20/argentina-the-beginning-of-a-wave-of-resource-nationalism/

'They claim to identify dead and buried as NN in Falkland - Groups of fighters expect to make progress in the restitution of the identities of the dead. There are 123 NN 238 tombs in Darwin...'
www.lacapital.com.ar/informacion-gral/Reclaman-identificar-a-caidos-y-enterrados-como-NN-en-Malvinas--20130520-0015.html
30 Think (#) May 20th, 2013 - 11:06 am Report abuse
I repeat for the Turnips....

The ~2,400 English Squatters currently occupying the Malvinas Isles are as much a distinct “People” as the ~3,000 Madron FC English supporters are a disctint “People”.......
31 Islander1 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 11:28 am Report abuse
Think- Please can you explain to me that WHY does Argentina ignore the military invasion by China of Tibet and insist that there is “One China” - of which Tibet is a part - whilst at the same time teilling places like french Poynesia that their democratic wishes recently exprtessed are irrevant and they MUST become Independent?
I Think the rest of us one here know just WHO practises double standards and he is a twit - who has a similar sounding name.
32 M_of_FI (#) May 20th, 2013 - 11:29 am Report abuse
@30 - Good deflection Think. Ignore what you can't answer and just copy and paste your previous nonsense. And I thought you were different from Marcos and Jose.
33 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 11:30 am Report abuse
@Islander1 I am not sure why we even answer Think's post he's such an idiot beyond words.
34 José Malvinero (#) May 20th, 2013 - 11:32 am Report abuse
Here is evident once again, what it is and has always been Great Britain: World's garbage.
35 Faz (#) May 20th, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
Think... You say:..
The ~2,400 English Squatters currently occupying the Malvinas Isles are as much a distinct “People” as the ~3,000 Madron FC English supporters are a disctint “People”.......

I say:
You can say what you like cabbage, it don't mean nothing and it won't get you anywhere, you just provide entertainment... Sad cabbage

You are an implant who has transplanted to Scotland because Scotland is a better place to live than a tin shack in a crime ridden villa where desperate cartoneros scrabble for a few pesos.

What people in their right mind would wish to be ruled by a load of corrupt insolvent bigots like the inhabitants of failing Rgland? We ain't buying it.
36 HansNiesund (#) May 20th, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
@30
As long as the Falklands are an NSGT, it makes no difference whether the implanted population of Argentina considers them a 'people' or not. The UN has defined a right of self-determination for all NSGTs, without exception.. Argentina's attempt to limit this right has already failed once, and its case, like its case for sovereignity in its entirety, is a fantasy upheld only in the
37 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 11:46 am Report abuse
@José Malvinero Instead of talking shit lets all have a discussion about the Argentine and it's in planted history-where shall we start????
38 Think (#) May 20th, 2013 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
(31) Islander1
What are you bitching about now, Islander1…..........? Tibet…????

Argentinean official policy about the “Tibet Issue” is the same as your own Country; England.
www.freetibet.org/news-media/na/british-foreign-policy-tibet-whatever-china-wants-it-be

With the “Slight Difference” that England has betrayed every single of their promises and treaties with Tibet.
(As they have done with the Burmese, the Hong Kongers and god knows how many others…)
www.freetibet.org/news-media/pr/britain-rewrites-history-recognising-tibet-part-china-first-time

England and Argentina are partners in crime on this one, indeed…..
England being the “Godfather Numero Uno”.
Argentina just a little “soldier”.
39 Musky (#) May 20th, 2013 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
@34 Jose Malvinero
There is no doubt that British garbage is of a higher quality than argentine.

@5 JA Roberts
So true.

Why do Argentines think they are a 'people' and Falklanders are not 'a people'. Argentine's mostly come from Europe, Falklanders mostly come from Europe. There is no difference. Argentina has self determination (with a liberal splashing of brainwashing) and why shouldn't the Falkland islanders have it? There is no difference except with the mindset of the malvinistas.
40 Think (#) May 20th, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
TWIMC
Mardon FC and their supporters are definitely not a ”People”....
But they are some bloody perseverant ”Englishmen” as their Kelper first-cousins…..
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb2IyHnj46E
41 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
the United Kingdom, the United States, Germany and the Netherlands - “all disassociated themselves from the consensus vote”, and France walked out of the chamber

4 other country's did the same as the UK per haps Think could explain.
42 LEPRecon (#) May 20th, 2013 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
@40 - Think

Still avoiding answering the questions and have resorted to the usual crap when you know you have lost but are too pig-headed to let go.

But you have lost Think. You always lose because your arguments are in the wrong, and you know it, but you are a sh!t stirrer. Never mind, you should be used to losing by now.

By the way just how long does someone and their ancestors have to live in a country before they can be considered that nationality? 1 generation? 2 generations? 3 generations? 8 generations? 20 generations?

Come one Think, you should be able to 'think' of an answer, but I guarnatee that the answer you give won't stop you from looking (a)stupid, (b)ignorant and (c) both.

But then, that's why you refuse to answer it, isn't it?
43 travellingscotsman (#) May 20th, 2013 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
@4 - would an implanted Argentine population on the Falklands constitute as a people???
44 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
@avellingscotsman, Argentines are already an inplanted people in South America unfortunately they see themselves as something different
45 LEPRecon (#) May 20th, 2013 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
@38 - think

Just because the UK doesn't cry, scream and shout to make itself heard doesn't mean that the government isn't doing something.

What good will it do Tibet for all countries in the world to break relations with China? Will it suddenly force China to leave? Of course it wouldn't. In fact it would cause China to dig it's heels in firmer in a defensive posture. The better way is the softly, softly approach. I know, I know you Argentines prefer the scream, cry and stamp your foot approach, but as you know that really doesn't work.

And it certainly wouldn't work with China. You have to understand Chinese culture and traditions before opening your mouth and putting your foot in it. China is traditional, it believes in respect. Therefore you must approach China with respect and not demands. Slowly China is changing. One day single party rule will end, and the People's Republic of China will truly be representative of ALL of the people.

The UK, USA, EU and many others are slowing encouraging China towards this future. A future where one day, the Tibetans and Taiwanese will get their right to autonomy and full independence, should they wish it.

Argentina's foreign policy screams and shouts, and DEMANDS that people listen to you. And that is when countries laugh at you and ignore you. And they will never RESPECT you.

China certainly doesn't respect the Argentine version of diplomacy. Too loud, too disrespectful, and too emotional.

None of these things are liked in China.

@43 - travellingscotsman

Well according to the La Campora trolls they would count as a people, because like the true Nazi's that they are, they only recognise themselves as people and no one else, whereas the reverse is true for the rest of the world. ;)
46 Anglotino (#) May 20th, 2013 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh how Think has degenerated recently.

My jokes about old people suffering vitamin deficiencies in Argentina as their meagre pensions fail to keep up with inflation seems to have come to pass.

Think, every post you make reflects on Argentina. If you indeed are an Argentine, then you should be ashamed of how badly you make Argentina appear.

If you aren't Argentine, then I actually feel even more sorry that you have set yourself this life task of making Argentines looks so pathetic. Not even I want that.

Either way, you rarely answer questions anymore.

Subject change.
Subject change.
Deflect.
Deflect.
Bait.
Bait.

All boils down to:
Troll.
Troll.

You are as effective as the Argentine government. Indeed I am sorry that a country of 41 million people can't produce one single effective poster on this site that can actually argue and support their government against what is nothing more than armchair experts from a dozen different countries.

So what then?

English colony. English people. Squatters. Not a people. Yadda yadda. You state wishful thinking and others use facts.

Simple facts is, that for all your abilities to spin bullshit like Doveoverdover, El Capitano and several others, you can't bring yourself to admit that you have no arguments left.

God I hope you keep posting here for the next several years.... schadenfreude is just plain delicious.
47 Anbar (#) May 20th, 2013 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
“”Argentina is 100% in favour of the inalienable right of self-determination of PEOPLES .........“””

Excellent - when does Patagonia go back to the native population then and where are all your colonial implants going back to?

I doubt their original countries will have them back.

Iran might take you I guess...
48 Benson (#) May 20th, 2013 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
I guess you can only be called a People if you kill natives. We didn't have any natives to kill so we can't be a People.
49 M_of_FI (#) May 20th, 2013 - 01:03 pm Report abuse
@ 46 - Anglotino

You are correct.
50 Islander1 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
Think - At least UK has the guts to openly meet with the exiled leader of Tibet!
Still you have not answere though - why are the people of Frech Polynesia not allowed their rigt of Self Determination by Argentina? - The People there have expressed it - the majority want to remain a fully integrated part of France - just leke that little place on mainland S America does!
My understanding is that - a fully integrated part of the mother country - is a sovereign status that is accepted by the C24 for overseas territories.
What is you problem with French Polynesia? That is what their people voted for.

Love to see you definition and explanation as to why the
Argentines of European descent have the right to force indegenous people out of a territory and claim entitlement to be a “People of that land”.
Yet people of European descent who forced nobody native out the the Falklands - are not?
51 ChrisR (#) May 20th, 2013 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
So the twat faced Timmidman is 'on stage' again as the press so coquettedly say, just to do the usual gob-shite about the Falklands.

Does anyone care, will it make any difference: of course not.

BTW no wonder TMBOA got rid of:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/8311778/Nestor-Kirchners-former-secretary-claims-she-was-his-mistress.html
52 Think (#) May 20th, 2013 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
(49) M_of_FI
You say...:
“@ 46 - Anglotino... You are correct.”

I say...:
No, he isn't.......
“Schadenfreude” is a german noun.
In german, all nouns are spelled with an inicial capital letter.

Chuckle chuckle.
53 Trunce (#) May 20th, 2013 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
Given the issued US statement relating to French Polynesia - their stance on the status of Falklands is curious and illogical. Surely they wouldn't forsake ethics and consistent principles in order to curry favour in 'their backyard'?

pacific.scoop.co.nz/2013/05/us-statement-regarding-french-polynesia/

www.thecommentator.com/article/2924/obama_administration_not_neutral_on_falkland_islands
54 El capitano (#) May 20th, 2013 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
One can only smile at the insane rantings of the thinking dwarf “ Think”...As for poor ol Hector the Turd Timmerman,well he's a laugh a minute and unlike redpoll#14 and “inconsistent” I would have to argue that indeed ol “Hector” is in fact very “consistent”..ie..a raving lunatic...!!
55 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
So are we lead to believe The united States DOES recognise the recent vote in The Falklands going by what it says about French Polynesia and I quote.

“The United States strongly affirms the principle of self-determination enshrined in the United Nations Charter as one of the fundamental values of this organization”
56 Think (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
C'mom French, British, Dutch and Yankee imperialists.....

You are surrounded......

DROP YOUR WEAPONS AND COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS ABOVE YOUR HEAD......
57 Be serious (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
Argentinians are not a people.

Why?

Because I just said so.
58 Heisenbergcontext (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
Logic, truth, these are wasted on the obsessed.
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60 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
@1

Yawn. It does really hurt you to know Argentina called out the UK and is in fact, right in this instance.

It is telling you provide no justification for the UK's position. Here we have islands that were in fact not “empty” and the UK votes against their right to democracy. Lovely country, yours.
61 Captain Poppy (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
It seems that the time has come for the UN to rid itself of the C24 as it is incapable of serving any useful purpose. It openingly ignores the wises of people that they are suppose to be enpowering. One would think that the UN does not have this much time on their hands. But then again with failure after failure of the UN to remove the decline and abject poverty from SA, civil wars in the mid east and Africa, sex slave trade, drug trade, the rise of Dictocracies, I suppose they need to shift attention to other areas.
62 Lord Ton (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
Think - the UN recognises the Falklanders as the 'people' of the Falkland islands ..... every year when they appear before the C24. Recognition indeed.

So yes - the Falkland islanders have the right to decide their own future. Argentina, on the other hand, has no rights concerning the Falklands at all.

This is another non-story. Even the people of French Polynesia recognise that being on the C24's list is hardly a step forward. I know - I've been taliking to one of them.

Argentina - in the story above - mentions a revision of the decolonisation process at the UN - that is probably true although not quite as Tinman would have you believe. The C24's funding is under threat as they have not achieved anything in nigh on 20 years. Ban Ki-moons statement earlier this year was a threat too - achieve or change. In their current form they can do neither. And without the cooperation of the Administering Powers they har hog-tied.

France was the last AP they was prepared to deal with the C24.

Well done the UNGA - you just shot yourselves in the foot.
63 ElaineB (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
@51 It was well-known Nestor and Cristina fought rival camps with the only common denominator being a love of money and power. Cristina has had her lovers, just as she has whilst grieving and wearing widow's weeds. What I don't understand is that most Argentines are fully aware of it but still simper at the 'poor widow me' act. It is almost as if they needed an excuse to vote for her last time. Fortunately the sympathy has waned to a point where people I know who supported and excused her behaviour actually hate her now.
64 Think (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
(62) Ahhhh. Mr. Lorton....

English haughtiness at its best......

“Well done the UNGA - you just shot yourselves in the foot.”, you say.....

“Fog in Channel - Continent Cut Off”, I say.....
65 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
@61

You statement is so disgusting it makes me ill. What SA needs is for you and the UN and the rest of you to get out and NEVER return. No one wants you or the Euros here.

And get used to the UN being run not be the Europeans or the USA, it's new order.

Just like you tossers used the UN to work against the most basic human and national rights of Africans and Asians in the 20th century, now you will get a taste of your own medicine and can't wait to see your children and their children enslaved, poor, and stripped of all their rights. And that goes for the children of all tossers here.

Nothing personal, you just need to live in your own skin what you have done to others. Time to pay for your crimes.
66 golfcronie (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
@65
What a very bitter man you are. ( a very bit of a man ) an arsehole
67 Captain Poppy (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
You say:

“You statement is so disgusting it makes me ill. What SA needs is for you and the UN and the rest of you to get out and NEVER return. No one wants you or the Euros here. ”

I say:

Then stop having your “sock puppet” running to the UN everytime someone with muscle kicks sand in your face. Is it too much to ask that you be consistent? Which is it.....you went Europe, the USA and the UN out of your lifes.......or you need a place to send tinman off to whine and cry like a little sissy boi?

You talk a lo of shit, on;y because of the toilet paper shortage must be spreading across SA. Once again.......claims without support. What, you could not find a utube to support your claim?

Toby.....we all think you must be bi polar.......your waves of passivity and agressiveness is sad if not funny at times.

You say:

“And get used to the UN being run not be the Europeans or the USA, it's new order.”

I say:

“WHo sits on the UN Security Counsel withveto power and a permenent seat?”

To think that developing nations own the UN is laughable. However, the UN was formed your you little fellers to at least get out of the farm league and move up to AAA. Why not start your own UN.....your stand ups seem to think you are doing well....go for it.......you have asslips ear.....

Bahahahahahahahahaha
68 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
@66

Not at all. If you people, as European nations, and North Americans, only said a simple words to the world “We are sorry for being such evil people”, so much would be washed away.

But you refuse, and you in fact insist that all you did was for the good of the rest of the world. How can you expect any others sentiment when even genuine remorse (which is free), does not transpire out of your thick , callous moral skin?
69 golfcronie (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
Can any Argie on here explain why Argies whinge all the time, perhaps they have too much time on their hands. Get a job if you can find one and leave the SUPER POWERS to run the world.
70 Redrow (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
@65

That is wonderfully demented. If your forefathers are native Amerindians then you have my sympathy and yes I guess Italy and Spain will have to take your oppressors back. Assuming you are from the 98% of european extraction though, then you will need to make peace with yourself sooner or later.

Then you want the UN out but also to run it for your own interests. Have you thought this through?
71 Heisenbergcontext (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
I picture Think, lurking in his underground hideout (or perhaps a bedsit ), stroking a persian ( or perhaps...nevermind ), plotting the seduction of the Falkland Islands with his evil erudition and wit. How's that working for you?
72 golfcronie (#) May 20th, 2013 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
ARGENTINA a transplanted nation that murdered all the indigenous “ people ” that only wanted to live in peace.
@68 I take it you are an AMERIDIAN ( otherwise you must be of EUROPEAN decent, which is it.
73 Captain Poppy (#) May 20th, 2013 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
Before you start calling everyone else evil..........look at yourself and the mirror and ask why you Argentines allowed Videla, christ....I mean even is daddy did a coupe. You guys must have coupes perfected and down to a science.
If you don't like the world as it is........leave the fucking place. But you don't........you stay. Prove your integrity of what you say. Drop out of the WTO, drop out the IMF (which you will be kicked out), drop out of the UN, Drop out ther G20 (which you may be removed for not allowing audits). But you don't. You talk shit of hating everything of the world powers that be, and yet you stick around. It seems to me and probably everyone else here that you are a jealous and enivous group of people. You hate the fact that you are not in charge (you as in Argentina)or have influence, but you do, you are the examples of how not to run a nation. SO if you really want to live without the developed world, prove it by dropping out of these organizations........or....

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP CRYING!
74 golfcronie (#) May 20th, 2013 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
My sentiments entirely, Moan,moan,moan,moan,moan,moan,moan,, just leave all the decisions to the ones that really matter. By that I mean the Educated nations, because we know what is best for you as we have had many years improving the world that we all live in. who started the UN, I know it wasn't the LATAM countries.
75 ElaineB (#) May 20th, 2013 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
TTT you do not speak for the people of Argentina, you only speak of your own frustration and hatred because you feel inadequate. You can change that. Do something about it. Get elected, gain some power and use it to change your country.

Though I suspect your views will not be popular outside of your bedroom rants.
76 Trunce (#) May 20th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
@71 Heisenbergcontext

No point stroking the Persian.... Already spoken for ; )

clip2net.com/s/55OK40
77 cornishair (#) May 20th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
I really don't understand why think etc keep going o about “evil” europeans, Being called a evil european, by a bunch of europeans living in a land they stole 1000's of miles from europe. always seems a bit odd! :/
78 Heisenbergcontext (#) May 20th, 2013 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
Logic, truth, forget it. This is about resentment, which always leads to obsession if unresolved. Resentment towards Anglo-Saxons is centuries old, and what Argentina chooses to see is a remnant of the British Empire giving it the finger from a few hundred kilometer's away. The reality is the British are were the only group of humans who were willing to put in the neccessary effort to make the Falklands a viable place to live and that is why they're still there. That and Argentina' s refusal to see herself as anything other than a victim.
79 Captain Poppy (#) May 20th, 2013 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
#77 it's like what they did during the Bush years. The strategists sent out weekly email blasts with “talking points” and “Focuswords”. La Campora probably is reading up on strategies and these are their talking points and focuswords
80 Monkeymagic (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
oh dear..poor old Nostril can even read the article.

Nobody voted against the people of French Polynesia having the right to self-determination at all. Nobody (even Argentina) would deny these people the fundamental right to self-determination.

The question that was put to the UN General Assembly was whether French Polynesia should be put on the C24 list of territories to be decolonised.

Given that the PEOPLE OF FRENCH POLYNESIA recently voted that they didnt want to be “decolonised”, who exactly is ignoring their right to self-determination?

Fuck me you are thick Nostril.
81 Heisenbergcontext (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
76Trunce LOL, I nearly retched. The bearded scoundrel! On my computer! Some people really shouldn't grow those things. I wonder how many CFK has ( persions, that is, not...you know ). Well, at least one anyway. I wonder whether Imelda Marcus collected hairy felines as well as shoes. Forgive my errant whimsy.
82 Britworker (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
It's just a race against time for Argentina, they need to salvage as much as possible for their fictitious Malvinas cause before the country descends into anarchy and they disappear into obscurity and poverty for another 10 years.
83 Captain Poppy (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
Aren;t these fabled Las Malvinas near Atlantis? I heard Brazil found Atlantis, maybe they can find Las Malvinas.
84 Trunce (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
@81 Heisenbergcontext

” I wonder how many CFK has ( persions, that is,)”

Not Persians. As Think points out in post 11 - CFK prefers a bit of Ruff!
85 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
@69 - 84

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMu1JHulUUE
86 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
@TroLLey_to_Truth And with your theory does that include all the inplanted Spanish, Italians and Germans that are squatting in Argentina
87 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
@86

Of course not, because we are except from it. Because we said so at the founding the UN. tough cookie
88 Trunce (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
@85

That youtube link was China response to:

en.mercopress.com/2013/05/13/china-to-the-rescue-of-argentina-with-a-10-billion-dollars-equivalent-swap

; )
89 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
10 billion? They own you by at least 200 billion...

More respect to Britain's Masters.
90 Heisenbergcontext (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
84 Trunce: Cute dog. Looks confused. Probably in therapy.
91 Trunce (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
@89

UK pays debts.
92 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
UK is not paying is debts, it is pulling off a “corrupt” Kirchnerism:

beforeitsnews.com/economics-and-politics/2011/10/uk-inflation-accelerates-to-cpi-5-2-bankrupt-britains-stealth-debt-default-continues-1251533.html
93 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
@TroLLey_to_Truth Perhaps you need to come to terms with your own history and I mean the real history not the shit your primary school teachers force down your slippery little throats from an early age.
94 Trunce (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
@92

Please keep up!

www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/cpi/consumer-price-indices/march-2013/stb---consumer-price-indices---march-2013.html
95 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
@93

And to say that you are....

哈哈哈哈 哈哈哈哈 哈哈哈哈哈!

There is no colonialism in our history. Period.
96 raul2 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
Total UK Hypocrisy that still committed to colonialism and imperialism century.

Excellent complaint Timerman:
“The UK again shows their double standards regarding the right of peoples to self-determination” to vote against the resolution that benefits to French Polynesia, where in the case of the Falklands intended to “force the interpretation ”of that right.

“The United Kingdom requires the interpretation of the right to self-determination in the case of the Falklands, but denies the peoples of Polynesia and Chagos Colonial hypocrisy”.

As time passes it is evident English colonialism and imperialism century.

The truth is immutable and unchanging. The specificity of the Malvinas Question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Is ruled out then the possibility of applying the principle of self-determination, as its exercise by the islanders, cause the “disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that Resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” states in paragraph six that “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter ”.

Face1354@hotmail.com
97 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
@TroLLey_to_Truth talking of debt strange how The UK is credit rated by ALL agencies than Argentina

S&P Argentina=B- Negative
UK = AAA negative

Fitch Argentina =CC Negative
UK = AA+ Stable

Moodys Argentina =B3 stable
UK = AA1 stable

Dagong Argentina =CCC Negative
UK =AA1 Stable

Still spouting shit are we Trolley
98 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:20 pm Report abuse
What is a debt-rating agency?

Argentina does not need to issue debt.
99 MrFlagpole (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
Blah blah blah blah....
100 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
@rual2 take a read of the following statement from The united States and then tell me your not stupid

“The United States strongly affirms the principle of self-determination enshrined in the United Nations Charter as one of the fundamental values of this organization.

The facts in this case are clear. The people of French Polynesia, through their democratically elected representatives, have made clear that they do not support this resolution. The newly-elected government, which takes office today, has notified the General Assembly that this resolution “ignores our autonomy and the will of our people.” We are surprised that the co-sponsors have continued with General Assembly action on this resolution given the will of the people it purportedly benefits.

For these reasons, the United States disassociates itself from consensus on this resolution”

Please pay particular attention to the following

“The people of French Polynesia, through their democratically elected representatives, have made clear that they do not support this resolution”

THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL SELF DETERMINATION YOU FOOL
101 Conqueror (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
@22, 30 That would be in your opinion. Which is essentially irrelevant since you're a Camporista. On that subject, I don't consider argie Camporistas to even be human. Semi-intelligent monkeys, perhaps. But that's okay because, in due course, they will be culled. Argentines are not the same thing at all. They are capable of reasoned discussion, are able to comprehend and are rational.
@34 Hi, monkey. You're on the culling list.
@38 A “partner” with argieland? That's a joke. Britain “partner” with a bunch of cowards? Not a chance. Even if you give the little shitters a gun all they do is run. Unless hiding behind a civilian's house.
@52 Before criticising, you should learn to spell.
@56 Watch out, Twinky, I'm going to piss in your direction.
@60 Another coward. Because you're a semi-smart monkey ready for culling, you get one chance. The people have elected a government happy with autonomy with France. That's self-determination. You have no say.
@61 Agreed. C24 is little more than SA whingers and their sycophants.
@64 Indeed. The south american continent. In due time, we will persuade the United States etc to join us in the culling. The UN needs to be smaller. Without changes of government, we can do without Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and argieland.
@65 You're ill? Fatal, I hope. After all, you've committed so many crimes. It must be your turn first.
@68 Trouble with your monkey interpretation is that we said what needed to be said to those concerned. We have no need for your latino breast-beating. But what you can't get over is that we, the English, yes, the English, repeatedly beat your Spanish predecessors shitless.

But to the photo. Anybody noticed how Tinman looks like a terrified rabbit in the headlights?
102 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
Timerman just makes himself look more stupid every time he goes before the press and cameras.
103 M_of_FI (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
@ Think (52)

You got me! You have made be feel so stupid [sarcasm]. But once again I applaud your delfection and subject change to avoid those awkward questions.
104 Clyde15 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
All is explained about off-his Trolley see #85. He watches kiddies television programs to research his self indulgent posts.

If the UK was evil, then your country would be a cinder by now and missed by no one. The bottom line is that you are powerless. You can rant and rave on here as much as you like but, who cares?
Similarly, I can come out with trite statements and, again,who cares ! It's only a game of calculated insults which does not affect relations between our countries. Very few people in the UK think about Argentina in any way and it is more than likely the same could be said for the people of Argentina.
I would suggest that you channel the energy of your hate into something more productive before you end up with severe hypertension and a much shortened lifespan.
#96
“The specificity of the Malvinas Question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population”
The same mantra chanted out again.
They kicked out an “Argentinian” military bunch of thugs squatting on British territory and let the rest stay or go back to Montevideo if they wished.
105 LEPRecon (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
So Timidman froths at the mouth and thinks he has scored the winning goal at the World Cup, only to be told that he has scored yet another spectacular 'own' goal.
106 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
@LEPRecon“,spectacular 'own' goal” It's an understatement and he keeps doing it.
107 British_Kirchnerist (#) May 20th, 2013 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
Well said (future President?) Timmerman. On another note, how time flies; hardly seems a full year since Cristina was at the committee in person, setting the heather on fire as we say in Scotland!
108 Steveu (#) May 20th, 2013 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
Just an observation...

I notice over the past few months (probably since March actually) that the RG posters have moved away from “1833 and all that” and now have shifted to the “question” of whether the Falklanders count as a “people” and therefore are covered by the UN charter.

I would take that as a tacit admission that their sovereignty claims have been tested and proved to be worthless (no doubt the ICJ would think the same)

So that makes any discussion about whether the Falklanders have a right to self determination fairly pointless. If they can't determine their own future who else can?

Simples.
109 José Malvinero (#) May 20th, 2013 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
May the Argentine government knows how to use these events both externally and on the home front: fags “pseudo-intellectuals” traitors who succumbed to defending pirate spreading false autodterminación and leave them in ridiculous to the very fucking.

en.mercopress.com/2012/02/21/argentine-personalities-openly-support-falklands-right-to-self-determination
110 Anbar (#) May 20th, 2013 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
Ah BK you are such a fraud.
111 Trunce (#) May 20th, 2013 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
@107

“setting the heather on fire as we say in Scotland!”

Well, you are a little beyond the deadline for Muirburning - 15 April, unless of course you have permission from the land owner.

www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/355582/0120117.pdf
112 Troy Tempest (#) May 20th, 2013 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
@107 BK

“future president”

Ha ha, sure...

Gollum would be wise to get the bell out of there with his share of 'the Precious' before someone 'shoves something up his kilt', as 'you' say in Scotland.
113 Brit Bob (#) May 20th, 2013 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
Ah good old Hector Simple man. In another world he would be collecting trolleys from outside Tesco. In this World he is the Argie Foreign Minister. LOL.
114 ElaineB (#) May 20th, 2013 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
Keep up BK. It is Timerman not Timmerman. Rookie error for one so devoted. And you must have been told that Boudou is being cited as CFK's successor? Though how he will govern from a cell is a mystery.
115 briton (#) May 20th, 2013 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
So what has this achieved for the people and the Argentina future imperialist?

First of the people have a new government and now wants to be part of France,
This seems to be correct,

The previous government in 2011 asked to go onto the list,
Why two years later,
But as that government is now out of power, then that is that, as they say,

But CFK and the tinman now knows they will get no support from the fantastic four,
And that may well hurt in time,

But the moral of the whole story seems to be the double standards=
Not of the four—but of Argentina,

Still,
The result and future condition will remain the same,
CFK and the tinman will return to OZ,

And Argentina still will not get the British Falklands,
Now or ever,
Thus proving that having a brown tongue does not guarantee you anything…lol
.
116 Conqueror (#) May 20th, 2013 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
@73 Let's just do the sensible thing. Cut their balls off! Only the size of undernourished rat balls, after all.
@87 Sorry. Back in the 40s when we thought you were human, we accepted that. But times move on. Now we know you're semi-intelligent monkeys. Crossed with slugs. Sod off!
@92 Oh! A Kirchnerism? Theft by a slag.
@95 Really? want to try your colonialism of the whole territory, Spanish slug? How about your attempts to conquer to the north. Patagonia. Nothing but imperialist, genocidal colonialism, slug.
@96 A NON-BINDING General Assembly resolution that the UK didn't agree. So f*** off, monkey slug.
@98 Argieland owes in excess of US$100 billion. No longer interested in your ducking and diving. One way or another, you WILL pay.
@107 Well, yes, I can see your point. Most argies are total prats. I think I can confidently predict that “president” Mingeman will be cowering under his bed asking how he got into so many wars. As for CFK, I wasn't aware that she'd set her “bush” on fire. New thrill when two horses weren't enough, was it? Bad news for you, eh? For a one-inch dick, it would be like a vacuum. Can you offer pictures of you licking her ass? 2 pence each. If, IF, you are Scottish, I'll offer you a penny for each of your balls. No use to you, after all!
117 golfcronie (#) May 20th, 2013 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
look @ 72,74
All the bluster in the world will not change a thing. you lot go on and on about implanted population in the FALKLAND ISLANDS, but ARGENTINA has more IMPLANTED EUROPEAN blood than the FALKLANDS. ARGENTINA 40 Million as opposed to +or- 3 THOUSAND FALKLANDERS . POT KETTLE BLACK springs to mind
118 Steve-33-uk (#) May 20th, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
@96 raul2

Your Argument is flawed, I will explain why...
Resolution 1514 - Paragraph 6 cannot be used to justify territorial claims, it is not it's purpose.

“6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.”

'Self-determination versus territorial integrity
...A number of states have laid claim to territories, which they allege were removed from them as a result of colonialism. This is justified by reference to Paragraph 6 of UN Resolution 1514(XV), which states that any attempt “aimed at partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter”. This, it is claimed, applies to situations where the territorial integrity of a state had been disrupted by colonisation, so that the people of a territory subject to a historic territorial claim are prevented from exercising a right to self-determination. This interpretation is rejected by many states, who argue that Paragraph 2 of UN Resolution 1514(XV) states that “all peoples have the right to self-determination” and Paragraph 6 cannot be used to justify territorial claims. The original purpose of Paragraph 6 was “to ensure that acts of self-determination occur within the established boundaries of colonies, rather than within sub-regions”. Further, the use of the word attempt in Paragraph 6 denotes future action and cannot be construed to justify territorial redress for past action.[50] An attempt sponsored by Spain and Argentina to qualify the right to self-determination in cases where there was a territorial dispute was rejected by the UN General Assembly, which re-iterated the right to self-determination was a universal right.'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination
119 andy65 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
@ golfcronie Don't be silly Argentines have nothing to do with Spanish Pirates invading and colonising that part of South America they were inplanted by martians ask Think he will tell you.
120 Terence Hill (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
96 raul2

What happened in 1833 was fully in compliance with international law. The term “territorial integrity” is part of modern law and therefore cannot be applied retroactively.
These issues I have addressed to you before, by your present response you have given a perfect example of viveza criolla. Of which seems to be the modus operandi of your nation, any deceit just to gain an advantage. I believe former Uruguayan president Jorge Batlle was absolutely correct when he said, “The Argentines are a mob of thieves, from the first to the last.”

The people French Polynesia have already spoken on the question by electing a government that rejects independence.
121 golfcronie (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:19 pm Report abuse
Funny no response from the IMPLANTED PEOPLE of ARGENTINA, Again how long do you have to live in ARGENTINA before you get ARGENTINIAN Nationality? Are you there TIMERMAN? None so deaf than those who chose not to hear.
Get this , my son has dual Nationality, all he did was apply for it. When he travels in Argentina he uses his Argentinian Passport because it works out cheaper, robbing buggers , the lot of them, still they are good at it must confess
122 Zethee (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
Raul is a complete idiot.

Self determination was not a law until 1941. It is not possible to break a law that does not exist.

It is really that simple.
123 Anglotino (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
@52 Think

After being so thoroughly trounced by your lack of German ability you want to start again?

““Schadenfreude” is a german noun.
In german, all nouns are spelled with an inicial capital letter. ”

My post was in English not German so yet AGAIN you are incorrect. But thank you for proving my point. Your level of retardation is growing.

Delicious I tell you...... RICO!

@ Think @ 54, 56, 64
Again proving how ineffectual you are. Stop it! You're making me blush. You're like an eager puppy trying to gain my approval and a reward. Ok I relent, here you go.......

Chuckle chuckle.

@Nostrils
You are European you idiot. Next time you pop a pimple actually look at yourself. Wow your parents were really stupid in their country choice. Nice to see you are becoming more and more embittered.
124 Islander1 (#) May 20th, 2013 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
Raul - you never give up on the arentininian dribble you spill!
Please give me the names of all the civilains who were explelled from the Islands in 1833.
Note- CIVILIAN RESIDENTS - not milita and not the wives,partners and family of them.
I mean Civilain residents who had been in the Islands 3 months or more.
Name them please if you have any brain at all.

Also do please check and find out what the people of frech Polynesia recently voted IN FAVOUR OF!
Give you a clue - it was to REMAIN and become a part of FRANCE. Its called democracy and a free vote - I realise neither are common in Argentina.
125 toooldtodieyoung (#) May 20th, 2013 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
@ Think @ 54, 56, 64

Think-me-not, Think-me-not, oh, Think-me-not!!! OK, so, after your epic FAIL at the hands of friend Anglotino, I will give you this one chance to redeem yourself......

Riddle this Think-me-not:- When is a “People” not a “People”?

You seem to an expert on when someone is not a “people” can your tell me when they are??????????????

Answer me, answer me, answer me do, if you can... ( If you dare....!!! )
126 Baxter (#) May 20th, 2013 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
We do go on ! Please return to 2 HansNiesund . The party which wanted independence lost the last election , the party that wants to stay with France , won . End of discussion . Nothing to do with the UN or anybody else . Incidentally those who have travelled to France's autonomy islands in the Caribbean know that they are paradises of freedom and good living .
127 Steve-33-uk (#) May 20th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
'According to London, ”the military base in the Falklands has the necessary capacity to prevent another invasion '
He said the British Minister of State for Latin America, Hugo Swire, who said that the military presence in the islands is reviewed periodically...'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1583696-segun-londres-la-base-militar-en-malvinas-tiene-la-dotacion-necesaria-para-impedir-otra-invasion

'The Falklands claim conditional agreements
British Minister of State for Latin America, Hugo Swire, said his country could republish fisheries agreements and oil only if Argentina waive their grievances over the sovereignty of the islands....'
www.ellitoral.com/index.php/diarios/2013/05/20/politica/POLI-04.html

'TIMERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER MEETS WITH HIS COUPLE OF CHILE'
www.elcomercial.com.ar/index.php?option=com_telam&view=deauno&idnota=318505&Itemid=116
128 José Malvinero (#) May 21st, 2013 - 12:23 am Report abuse
From minute 4.35, the feeling that we all have.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMS5UbYUkKo
129 Falkland Islands (#) May 21st, 2013 - 01:46 am Report abuse
@128 what a sick shitty video! Argie poofters.
130 lsolde (#) May 21st, 2013 - 08:47 am Report abuse
@52Think,
“initial”, cher Think, not “inicial”
Only trying to help.
ps- just in case you didn't know--we're not “implanted”
Or if we are, then so are you.
Difference is though, your ancestors murdered the original inhabitants while ours did not.
131 Clyde15 (#) May 21st, 2013 - 09:59 am Report abuse
#128
Typical Argie self delusion again ! A Super Etandard firing an Exocet anti-ship missile fitted with a nuclear warhead. No such thing exists. Ponder on this thought, if your backward country ever tried anything like that, then the gloves would be off !
Buenos Aires would cease to exist, plus a random selection of your densely populated areas. Armageddon would be visited on you in spades !
However, the whole world knows that all you can do is whine and produce childish videos showing how “macho” you THINK
you are.
Let us realistically examine your scenario.
Your obsolete aircraft would be detected leaving the Argentinian coast. A welcoming committee of Typhoons would be waiting for them about 100 miles out. Your pilots would be on a Kamikaze mission with no hope of success and certain death. Your C-130 tanker would not even see the aircraft that shot it down. Result RAF 1 -Argentina NIL and riots in BA - seemingly a not unusual occurrence.

Why don't you hold a referendum with this question.
“Should Argentina use nuclear weapons against the Falklands and accept that the UK would retaliate against Argentina using similar force”
I wonder if your population would share your views.
132 Simon68 (#) May 21st, 2013 - 01:56 pm Report abuse
128 José Malvinero (#)
May 21st, 2013 - 12:23 am

That is, perhaps, the most disgusting video I've seen. If in your tiny head, José, you really believe that that is what we should do to the Falkland Islands, you should be put away for life just like Videla and his cronies.

You are a disgrace to the Argentine people and Nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
133 Troy Tempest (#) May 21st, 2013 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
Best archive that video and others.

When the next Argie regime decides to parade the arrested criminals of the CFK years (“ it was CFK, not us!”) all these little artifacts will be a good reminder of who they were and their amoral actions.
134 Captain Poppy (#) May 21st, 2013 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
#128

For starters, you lack the capacity to even realisitically consider that an option.
and secondly, even if you did, did you consider the ramifications of that action? How many people would die in Argentina taking out assets that could support the military.....power generation companies, railways, major raodways, airports...including Ezeiza and Newbury, water pumping stations, dams, what limited military bases you have, decrepit naval shil listing in their berths, not to mention La Casa Rosado and the number of drones scouting for the political leadership. Have you thought you ridiculous notion through? Obvious not. Thank God for the people of Argentina you are not leading the country. While stupid and moronic and corrupt in her policies, Kirchner does not appear as suicidal as you and total wreckless in concern of the population.
135 briton (#) May 21st, 2013 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
128 and all coward indoctrinated fools,

The video reminds me of a last desperate attempt by a fading country to regain its former none existent glory,
Its sounds like the death knell of the argentine air force.

The video shows the free world what happened when people freely disagrees with the dictatorship,
And alas shows you cowards bombing your own territory, as you so call-claim

Typical, you agree with us or we bomb you ,
A once proud nation reduced to abusing and intimidating the tiniest of islands,
Of whom the people just wanted to live in peace, but Argentina being the local bully on the block had to show, not only south America but the world how tough you guys really are,

But the facts turned out to be so much different and humiliating for you,
Argentina shamed and embarrassed its self, and it lost to another tiny island people called the British,

Shamed and humiliated in front of south America and the world, you lost all self respect, and your neighbours now laugh at you, your navy sits rusting in dock and your air force rots on the runways,

Your army cant feed itself, you have turned from a nation to a squib of crying complainers to whoever will listen to you,
You are if fact a shameful disgrace and a childish nuisance to the rest of us,
And still you whip moan and cry, come on here acting the macho men from behind your Barbie doll,

Grow up and concentrate on your own fragile failing economy run by a self styled greedy incompetent government…

.
136 ChrisR (#) May 21st, 2013 - 05:59 pm Report abuse
128 José Malvinero
My reply to the fucking idiot who posted this crap: “Usual argie 'we are always the victims’ nonsense. As for the crap that the video should not be seen as cruel but a vindication of argie sovereignty you have as warped a mind as any La Campora idiot.
The Falklands are not the property of Argentina and never were. Start learning real history instead of the Peronist lies and you might learn something.”

Double that applies to you as I understand you are presently in London.

Am I correct?
137 Anglotino (#) May 21st, 2013 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
Gawd what a crap awful video. I felt like surrendering just because of the music.

What it didn't show was the planes falling out of the air due to lack of parts and crappy Argentine servicing. Argentina with nuclear bombs is about as likely as INDEC's inflation rate being real.
138 José Malvinero (#) May 21st, 2013 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
I congratulate the author of the video, I have no idea who he is, the effect generated in the Pirates usurpers. I repeat: “the feeling that we all have.”

“Volveremos”
139 ChrisR (#) May 21st, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
138 José Malvinero

So answer the question: are you in Britain, YES or NO?
140 Clyde15 (#) May 21st, 2013 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
#138
You sad, sad, little piece of mierda.

You talk, threaten, talk big but you are just plain chicken.

You are insulting the memory of the Argentinian pilots who died in the 1982 conflict.
Do you actually think they would drop nuclear weapons on an undefended small population. I think more highly of them than you do.

You had better keep a low profile in case someone finds out who you are and decides to terminate you with extreme prejudice - no loss to mankind !
141 Troy Tempest (#) May 21st, 2013 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
Chris and Clyde

Do you know who José really is?

Please enlighten us.
142 HansNiesund (#) May 21st, 2013 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
@138

You'd be some pretty dumb Malvinistas indeed, were you to “return” to a place you'd just nuked.

But if your nuclear masturbation fantasy proves anything, it's that this 'dispute' is about anything but territory.
143 José Malvinero (#) May 21st, 2013 - 11:43 pm Report abuse
HansNiesund ; Troy Tempest; Clyde15; ChrisR; briton; etc., etc., etc.:
Where do each of you were born?
144 Anglotino (#) May 22nd, 2013 - 12:30 am Report abuse
Well I was born in St Vincent's Hospital, Victoria Street, Fitzroy, Melbourne, Australia. My father is Victorian and my mother was New South Welsh.
I grew up in Tasmania for a while.
I have also lived in London, Berlin, Calgary and New York.
I currently live in Brunswick West, less than 5kms from where I was born.

How easy was that?

Your turn José!
145 Troy Tempest (#) May 22nd, 2013 - 06:27 am Report abuse
José ?

Hello ??

I suppose he wasn't expecting a request to reciprocate.

José, busy building a background story for your persona, now???
146 lsolde (#) May 22nd, 2013 - 08:05 am Report abuse
@138 José Mal,
“Volveremos”-the only way you will return here is as slaves.
Even if you are POWs, you will still be made into slaves & worked until you die.
This is not your land, never was & never will be & idiots like you are not welcome here.
l don't care what you feel. l don't care about you. Stay in your own country & stay safe.
You're a wackjob, niño.
147 Clyde15 (#) May 22nd, 2013 - 12:16 pm Report abuse
#143...............Clyde15;
I was born in the small village of Strone, at the entrance to the Holy Loch, in Argyllshire in 1942.
Try looking it up on Google Earth.
This was a submarine base during the war and I could see the depot ship and submarines coming and going from the bedroom window. I can remember seeing the Queen Mary in battleship grey coming into Greenock. I can also remember seeing the X craft midget submarines which used to train in the loch.
From the 1960's the loch became base for the USN Polaris submarine fleet.
We moved to Glasgow at the end of the war when my father was demobbed from the RAF.
I grew up there, joined HM Customs and Excise in 1961 and worked in the greater Glasgow area until 1971 when I was posted to Johnny Walkers bonded warehouses in Kilmarnock.
I bought a house in Ayr and then transferred to the local excise office in Ayr in 1979 and worked there until I retired in 2000.
I have a few relations who are Ulster Irish and a few who are English - mainly from Tyneside.
Hobbies:-Growing alpine plants and rhododendrons, military aviation, photography, natural history - mainly bird watching, playing the guitar and wasting my time on the computer.

There, that is a brief resume. How about you ?
148 Anglotino (#) May 22nd, 2013 - 12:37 pm Report abuse
Clyde15. Wow your growing up sounds awesome. Also I have ancestors from Ayr. Just one branch of my mongrel European background.

But never been to Scotland...... yet!

José, you coming back?
149 ChrisR (#) May 22nd, 2013 - 01:40 pm Report abuse
143 José Malvinero

I was born in Moor Street, West Bromwich, England in 1946, in a very old terrace house, outside toilet, no bathroom, two up two down with an out-house.

This would be paradise to any of the argies presently living in tin shack slums with sewage running down the streets.

At the age of 8 (1954) we moved to a new council (intendencia) built house with three bedrooms, bathroom and separate toilet (both upstairs) with a lounge, dining room and adjoining kitchen / utility room with our washer in the one corner.

This would be much better than the average casa in argieland.

When I married my wife and I moved to our first house that we bought with a mortgage which was in Great Barr, Birmingham and overlooked the green belt with Barr Beacon, a famous landmark just 1.5 km away over the fields. Larger than average with three bedrooms, lounge, kitchen, downstairs toilet and separate bathroom / shower space and toilet upstairs. Separate garage for my 6 cylinder car and my various big motorcycles which I had from the age of 16. My wife’s car and our caravan stayed on the drive until needed.

In 1986 we moved to the North West of England into a large five bedroom house paid for without a mortgage, very large lounge, large dining room, kitchen and linked two car garage for the various luxury cars I had and my wife’s cars, mainly Vauxhall Astra's (always new ones) but no caravan by then.

In early 2011 we moved to Uruguay. The only disappointment is the close proximity of probably the third worst government in the world just across the Plate.

I have answered your question, so please answer the question: are you in Britain, YES or NO?
150 LEPRecon (#) May 22nd, 2013 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
@143 - Jose

Born in Prescott, Lancashire in 1970.

And just where we you born? And what does that have to do with the UK supporting the right to self-determination?
151 Troy Tempest (#) May 22nd, 2013 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
Interesting backgrounds!

JOSÉ

Ithink you can see that we are legit.

I'll post mine when you put yours up -

It's your turn !
152 Terence Hill (#) May 22nd, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
96 raul2

More utter bull-shit as you cannot show under international law that “territorial integrity” was an applicable law in 1833. Since I've shown all the appropriate legal opinions in support of the UK's action to you, your revealed as a complete liar.

ICJ judge, Dame Rosalyn Higgins, wrote: “Attractive an aphorism though [self-determination] is, it still has to be said that the territorial issue does come first. Until it is determined where territorial sovereignty lies, it is impossible to see if the inhabitants have a right to self- determination” (Dame Rosalyn Higgins, Problems and Process - International Law and How We Use It, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1994)

The British jurist Rosalyn Higgins arrived at a similar conclusion when she pointed out: ”No tribunal could tell her [Argentina] that she has to accept British title because she has acquiesced to it But what the protests do not do is to defeat the British title, which was built up in other ways through Argentinas acquiescence.80“ There was therefore little doubt that Britain acquired title to the Falklands by extinctive prescription. In other words, it was in this mode that the strength of the British claims resided.
80. Rosalyn Higgins, ”Falklands and the Law,” Observer, 2 May 1982.
The Falkland War : Britain versus the past...Daniel K, Gibran.

It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared
in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'
Akehurst's Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk
153 briton (#) May 22nd, 2013 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
143 José Malvinero
Where do each of you were born?
Eye was born on planet earth,
That makes me an earthling

Do you recognise my right to exits…lol…
.
154 HansNiesund (#) May 22nd, 2013 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
@143

Calton, Glasgow, currently Calton Creek, Arizona.

netsavvy.co.uk/lobey/journey.htm
155 José Malvinero (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 12:00 am Report abuse
Not one Malvinense! Retireds of shit has nothing else to do. British-British. Not one of the participants born in Argentine earth = Malvinas Argentinas.
We have a miserable Australia kangaroo and other apprentices miserable pirates. Bullshit that make of the spokesmen of kelpers. But we have that kelpers are other Englishmen the vast majority born ..... in Britain and a minimal proportion descendants of illegal settlers. Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
This is the “third party in the dispute” say Swire idiot and all other liars from the little queen down except for a few “british” honest we have shown the links where they post their true opinions.
We, however, have Malvinenses-malvinenses (born on the islands) that defend our argentine sovereignty to the UN itself and therefore thay yes have authority to speak and not the fools like you.
I by the way: I was born somewhere in the territory of the Argentina Republic, between Jujuy to north, the South Pole to south, the Malvinas Islands and South Georgia to the east and the Aconcagua to west.
Good question mine in 143, idiots.
156 Anglotino (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 12:18 am Report abuse
Wow that was even more pathetic than usual José.

Unless you were born on the Falkland Islands, you just criticised yourself. Then again considering your intelligence level you probably didn't even realise that. My connection as an Australian is stonger than yours as we share a head of state, a language, culture and even a similar political system of parliamentary democracy.

Your connection is weaker and based on what? Proximity and two illegal invasions.

Hard to keep your lies straight if you give away too much information isn't it. You are exactly what we have come to expect from you.....

No substance and low intelligence.
157 José Malvinero (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 03:19 am Report abuse
156

Ha, ha, the KANGAROO at this time is the day. The pirates (or pirate apprentices) are sleeping and we are about to. We will see that stupidity like Kangaroo the ENGLISH say, these idiots when they wake up, that old retired!
158 Troy Tempest (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 05:03 am Report abuse
157 Jose Maligno

El Maligno,

You have revealed more about yourself and the sort of character you are without honour civility.
Certainly, you are no gentleman, and you represent your country and your people as a hateful racist.
You should feel shame.

Is this an example of how you would 'negotiate' honestly and constructively with the UK and the Islanders?

BTW, if you are from Argentina, you cannot be ' from' the Falkland Islands.

Nobody on Argentina ever was or is, because nobody from Argentina has ever lived there.

Poor angry and unhappy, El Maligno

:-)
159 lsolde (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 08:00 am Report abuse
l wouldn't be giving out too much information, folks.
You've seen what José's answers were.
He's a hate-filled moron malvinista, who has openly stated that he wishes us ill.
Mind you, feel free to talk bs too him/her, he can relate to that.
Hey, José, the Falkland lslands do NOT belong to Argentina.
Just in case you don't know.
Come here again & your pathetic army will be defeated again. ldiota!
160 Martin Woodhead (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 09:14 am Report abuse
We would use pows as slaves a we have signed the geneva convention and subscribe to it airly well.
Also working an argentine to death kind of pointless its not exactly difficult and unlikely to produce anything uselful.
161 Clyde15 (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 09:43 am Report abuse
#157
Incomprehensible gibberish, up to your usual standard.
162 HansNiesund (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 10:09 am Report abuse
@155

Hey Jose, just one question. How many ”Malvinenses-malvinenses (born on the islands) that defend our argentine sovereignty to the UN itself“ have you got exactly?

And if this debate is now restricted to ”Malvinenses-malvinenses (born on the islands)” shouldn't you be shutting the fuck up yourself? And all the other Argentine posters here? (Notably the Scandinavian Circus Act). And I guess also your Ecuadorean stooge at the UN and this whole world that supports Argentina that we keep hearing about?
163 Biguggy (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 11:20 am Report abuse
@162

”Hey Jose, just one question. How many ”Malvinenses-malvinenses (born on the islands) that defend our argentine sovereignty to the UN itself“ have you got exactly?”

I think that if you check the answer to that question is one, a guy called Betts. He was, as I understand it, born on the Falklands, was pro Argentina in his views, was suspected of collaborating with the invaders in 1982 and got out at the first available opportunity when the British ejected the illegal invaders. CFK took him to the C24 committee last year, where he spoke. The whole charade can be viewed here:
webtv.un.org/search/the-special-committee-on-the-situation-with-regard-to-the-implementation-of-the-declaration-on-the-granting-of-independence-of-colonial-countries-and-peoples/1690041985001?term=Falklands&sort=date
164 golfcronie (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 11:56 am Report abuse
@163
BETTS, not a very Argentinian name, must have been implanted.
Anyway glad we got rid of the IMPLANTED ARGIE
165 Biguggy (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
@164

I understand that when he went to RG land he left behind a mother, sister and some nieces and nephews.
166 briton (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 12:37 pm Report abuse
You gotta feel sorry for him,

He lives in a permanent state of stress anti British and total confusion,

One day he may awaken from this state and realise he has wasted his intelligence on others peoples oppression..
.
167 ChrisR (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
@157 José Malvinero

You are typical of the rest of the 'argies', NOT the Argentine people, in that you have no honour whatsoever.

We all gave you the benefit of the doubt and you responded in the manner we expected but are disappointed to see.

I cannot see how you could ever be in Britain because your vehement hatred of anything British would send you mad. OH, oh, just seen the reason you are a mad, distrustful, stupid person then.

@159 lsolde

I for one am not frightened to put these limited details out on MP. They are, after all who and what I am AND I want no doubt at all in the trolls mind as to what they are up ag’in.

The likes of The Chief Carrot, aka The Biggest Liar On MP, aka I Don’t Think is of such limited intellect that the ONLY comment he could make regarding my post to a very serious problem in Uruguay was to take the piss out of my spelling of ONE Spanish word!

If that is the level the argie trolls are at, and this twat sees himself as ‘better’ than most, then it really doesn’t worry me at all, but thank you for your concern.
168 Monkeymagic (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
@157

You do indeed have someone who was born on the islands who supports the Argentine sovereignty claim. You are correct, HE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK, and his views should be taken into account by the UN.

He makes up 0.03% of the population of the Falklands, or less than 0.1% of those who meet your criteria of born in the falklands.

The POINT WE ARE MAKING..is the remaining 99.9% HAVE AN EQUAL “AUTHORITY TO SPEAK”.

You DONT!!!

So, Alex Betts versus the ENTIRE REMAINING POPULATION...hmmm its a toughie.

Cretin!
169 Clyde15 (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
#155
Correct, not one Malvinense. This is a mythical animal which only exists in Argentinian imagination.

“ I was born somewhere in the territory of the Argentina Republic, between Jujuy to north, the South Pole to south, the Malvinas Islands and South Georgia to the east and the Aconcagua to west”.

You claim the South Pole as Argentinian territory along with anything else you can put a name to.
Have you put this formally to the United Nations ?
Are you going to evict the AMERICAN usurpers and pirates from this part of Greater Argentina.? What do you do if they say “eff off” ? Send Tinman to the UN bleating that “the whole world knows and agrees with us ” OR try an invasion to evict them ? I would love to see that one !

Really, you should join the REAL world, not your deluded version of it.
170 alan (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
Hector, I presume you will be pressing Tibet's cause?
171 Troy Tempest (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
José = Sussie???

Just a thought.
172 José Malvinero (#) May 24th, 2013 - 12:00 am Report abuse
163

Thanks for the link. I did not look it like a charade, except the part involved kelpers-British colonialists. Really pathetic in the XXI century. Did you heard the Chilean delegate?.-The Malvinas are Argentine-
173 Clyde15 (#) May 24th, 2013 - 09:34 am Report abuse
#172
Even more pathetic is your harking back to the early 19th
century !!

The Chilean delegate said....... so what ?
174 lsolde (#) May 24th, 2013 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
@172 José M,
Who cares what anyone said?
“The Whole World”(except Argentina! lol!) knows that the Falklands belong to the Falklanders & NOT to Argentina.
175 Pete Bog (#) May 24th, 2013 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
@96
“but denies the peoples of Polynesia”

No it hasn't.
The Polynesian people currently vote for a government that retains ties with France. Britain supports this position which is called Self determination. If the people there vote for independence France will comply.

@96
“ the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return,”

The UK occupied the islands in 1765, a fact you ignore, but does not disappear just because you hide your head in the sand.

The UK did not occupy the islands by force in 1833 ( WRONG again Raul)as they were outnumbered by UP forces-they requested the UP to leave by letter-that is not use of force (ie with weapons).

You also forget that Pinedo's force refused to challenge Captain Onslow because most of them were British, (ie not born in the United Provinces of the River Plate).

The UK did not expel the original population, (WRONG again Raul) which were French (1764). The French left because the Royal families of Spain and France were interlinked-Britain did not kick out the French, the Spanish bought them out.
Also the UP military in 1832 were not the original population (WRONG again Raul)as they turned up in November 1832(they were there 3 months)-unless you are claiming the UP claim started from November 1832.
The civilian population were not expelled and others of Vernet's community (such as Brisbane) not on the Falkland Islands in January 1833, did return, (WRONG again Raul)and there was nothing to stop anyone returning until January 1834 as there was no British military presence till then.
The obvious reason why no UP military forces returned (there was nothing to stop them) is that they knew it was wrong to (the British had never dropped their claim).

Most of Pinedo's forces were British born because the United Provinces could not exist without British sailors, so they were hardly likely to return and fight against their own country were they?
176 Malvinense 1833 (#) May 25th, 2013 - 01:59 am Report abuse
In 1765 the UK illegally occupying the Malvinas Islands with a population that already existed in Port Louis. Say it than once, Pete.

Day like today,in the Malvinas Islands, marks the national day.
“No obstante algunas lloviznas de granizo y viento del oeste en Puerto Soledad se celebra el día patrio. Al amanecer, se hacen oír 3 cañonazos.
Los festejos comienzan al mediodía: asado con cuero y, luego tortas. A la tarde se tira al blanco. En el ocaso, vuelven a sonar 3 cañonazos y, enseguida, en el rancho del tonelero empieza con baile que durará hasta mañana lunes.”
May 25, 1828. Viva Argentina!! Viva Malvinas!!
177 José Malvinero (#) May 25th, 2013 - 03:25 am Report abuse
MAY 25. A NEW ANNIVERSARY OF FIRST PATRIOTIC GOVERNMENT. 203 YEARS. LIVE HOMELAND!
LIVE MALVINAS ISLANDS ARGENTINES!
178 lsolde (#) May 25th, 2013 - 08:21 am Report abuse
@177 José &
@176 Malvin,
lts your National Day, so we'll humour you.
You can say & think what you like about the Falklands today.
We don't agree of course & its business as usual again tomorrow.
179 Pete Bog (#) May 25th, 2013 - 08:55 am Report abuse
@176
“In 1765 the UK illegally occupying the Malvinas Islands with a population that already existed in Port Louis”
Malvi.

1/-The Falkland Islands were not called the Malvinas in 1765.

The French called them the Malouines, and the British had called them the Falkland Islands since 1690.

2/-As the British claimed the Falkland Islands since 1690, their occupation of Port Egmont cannot be illegal, and they did not kick the French out of Port Louis either.

3/- The British did not occupy Port Louis in 1765, nor, as you say, did not use the population at Port Louis to occupy Port Egmont.

And just to make you clear, the Spanish weren't in the Falkland Islands in 1765, nor were Argentina, nor the Fair Winds/ Good Air Government, nor the United Provinces of the River Plate.

However, enjoy your national day, but please keep your imperialist ambitions to Argentina.
180 Monkeymagic (#) May 25th, 2013 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
So its 203 years since a bunch of implanted Spanish Genocidal Colonialists decided they were going to use the right of self determination to stop calling themselves Spanish Genocidal Colonialists and start calling themselves various other things, finally ending up as “Argies”

They are of course still some of the “Spanish Genocidal Colonialists” which make up Latin America, but pretend that they are not.

In 1810-1845

There was definately a sovereignty dispute with Spain
There was definately an implanted population - the Argies
There was definately a usurption from the AmerIndians
There was definately stolen lands by military might

so by Argie rules...how on earth was there claim to “self-determination” valid?

Of course by British rules, self determination is a fundamental right, hence it recognised the United Provinces, and was one of the first countries to do so. (the Falklands were never recognised and were empty so there was nobody to claim independence)

However, by Argie rules, Argentina doesn't and never should have existed...and the world would be a better place.
181 lsolde (#) May 25th, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
@180 Monkeymagic,
l'm sure that they are still surprised that people don't agree with them.
They get resentful because they cannot stand to be wrong(or defeated!)& think that ALL people should love them.
Ha!
182 Captain Poppy (#) May 26th, 2013 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
#2 playing devils advocate here. I understand that a new pro allegiance party won the elections, but what happens if in the next elections the party that wanted ti be listed wins back the government again? My point is the can seesaw back an forth forever. I do think there needs to be something in place to prevent a game of tennis at the c24 and them being the ball.

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