Thursday, May 23rd 2013 - 02:19 UTC

Falkland Islands wish for normal neighborly relations with all South American neighbors

By MLA Jan Cheek - I was in The Hague in April on the last stop of my four capital trip planned to spread information about our decisive referendum. After London, a colleague and I visited Brussels before heading off to separate destinations. I visited Dublin and then returned to London to attend the funeral of Baroness Thatcher.

Following her visit to The Netherlands the Falklands lawmaker wrote the column

She is remembered with gratitude and affection in the Falkland Islands for her role in the decision to liberate the Islands when they were invaded and occupied and for her subsequent continued support for our right to self determination. Attempts to achieve a diplomatic settlement at the time would have taken no account of the wishes of the people of the Islands so she finally rejected the proposal.

To have acceded to Argentine demands would have allowed armed aggression to prevail.

Members of the eight-strong Legislative Assembly have traveled to capitals in North and South America and the Caribbean to brief officials and politicians on the result of the referendum held in March to determine to whether voters wish to retain our status as an Overseas Territory of the UK.

We took advice from electoral experts and experienced observers to ensure that the question was fair and that the entire process would pass independent scrutiny. The turnout was excellent at 92% of voters and the 99.8% ‘yes’ vote surprised even the most optimistic of us.

Many have asked what we hoped to achieve by the referendum. Clearly we wanted the world to know that we have no wish to become a colony of Argentina. While we do not expect the result to change the views of the present Argentine government we do hope that enlightened and open minded people worldwide took note.

We appreciated the prompt acknowledgement of the result by the Netherlands and other countries.

The Falkland Islands were uninhabited when discovered in 1592 by British seafarer John Davis and although several countries had settlements in the Islands for brief periods the British claim was never given up. The Islands have now been peacefully settled by for 180 years, but for the short lived occupation in 1982.

The first settlers were seafarers, whalers and sealers and they were followed by adventurous people looking for better lives for themselves and their families. These waves of settlers were very similar to those who settled New Zealand and much of the Americas. The suggestion that we are somehow an ‘implanted’ population is as offensive as it is untrue.

If nothing else the referendum has given us an incentive to travel and refute this and other elements of the Argentine campaign of false propaganda. At the same time we can inform people of their attempts to hinder shipping and stifle the Islands economic development.

Their decree 256 purports to give them the right to stop Falklands and British flagged ships. They have banned tourist charter flights from over-flying their airspace and they threaten oil companies operating in the Falklands with sanctions and prosecution. They ceased co-operation on the conservation of sustainable fish stocks in the SW Atlantic some years ago and actively promote over-fishing of straddling stocks.

Despite all this negative activity the people of the Islands enjoy a good quality of life in beautiful surroundings and we work around the obstructive activities of our nearest neighbor.

Our economy is healthy with the prospect of an oil industry in a few years and allows us to invest heavily in the education of our young people. There is something in the character of Islands people that allows us to overcome small hardships and relative isolation and make a success of our economy and enjoy a special way of life.

Our wish would be to have a normal neighborly relationship with all our South American neighbors.
 

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1 Escoses Doido (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 02:36 am Report abuse
Best line?

''Clearly we wanted the world to know that we have no wish to become a colony of Argentina''
2 Chicureo (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 02:38 am Report abuse
Despite our politicians giving lip service to our schizophrenic Andean neighbor, we admire and support the Falkland Islanders. Chile is your friend, despite what is said in the press.
3 Marcos Alejandro (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 02:44 am Report abuse
Decisive referendum Mrs. Cheek?
Failure is more appropriate.
4 Escoses Doido (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 02:47 am Report abuse
@2:
There are a number of countries you could make that statement about, all South American.

And it would be true.

Money is money, - Oil is oil.

Wait and see.
5 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 05:44 am Report abuse
Don't the Brits have better things to do, like preventing people from being chopped with machetes in the streets of their capital? What a joke.

And don't you Chichureo? Like allowing more than just 16% of youth in your country a chance to actually hmm, see what a university is like, and not just hear about it in books and fairy tales?
6 Escoses Doido (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 05:51 am Report abuse
@5;
N U. Tell us about you.

Who are you?

I'm a real person.

Are you?
7 Lord Ton (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 05:52 am Report abuse
#3 - Wrong again MoreCrap. Decisive. Job done. What Argentina and the C24 do is irrelevant now. They can be ignored.

I also not that the lady has picked her words carefully. I say that our claim goes back to 1594. She beats me by 2 years :-)
8 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 05:57 am Report abuse
@6

I can tell you this: I have no problem, in fact I welcome, the Falklands having EXCELLENT relations with all their neighbors. Except one.

If only for the life lesson that in life, you can't get everything you want.
9 Monkeymagic (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 06:06 am Report abuse
Trolley

She was being polite. As I told you before, Argentina is the drug addled, heroin addicted junkie living of benefits in the street. We find it face down in her vomit most of the time as it self-harms it's way to oblivion.

Nobody really wants excellent relations with the “junkie”, perhaps there is a remnant of pity for what the junkie might have been before its self-harm addiction, or perhaps there is hope that one day the junkie will just kill itself...and whoever moves in will be normal “like the rest of the street”

But relations with the gaunt, diseased, lying, cheating, murderous filth that is your country Nostril....nah...we will just wait for the “carbohydrons” to flow....

Hahahahahaha
10 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 06:11 am Report abuse
@9

That would have hurt a bit if your nationality or country mattered an iota to us, or had any economic, social, or political influence over us.
11 Beef (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 06:35 am Report abuse
5 - Trolly, you are a sick individual. One man gets killed by a religious nut job and you feel the need to raise it as an issue worthy of mentioning on a FI article and having a dig at the UK.

You poor excuse for a human being.
12 Britworker (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 06:39 am Report abuse
@10
Oh we do, we are a permanent member of the UN security council, we are also a member of the G8. That's more influence you could hope for yourselves in this century!
13 Steve-33-uk (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 06:45 am Report abuse
@1 Escoses Doido

Spot on

”we have no wish to become a colony of Argentina''

It says it all in one sentence... Perfect.
14 Biguggy (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 09:59 am Report abuse
@8 TTT

“If only for the life lesson that in life, you can't get everything you want.”

Very true, when are the RG's going to wake up and realize this?
15 Conqueror (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 11:34 am Report abuse
@3,5,8,10 You should remember the Falkland Islands referendum. It didn't just state the intentions of the Falklanders to the world. It defined how irrelevant and impotent argieland is. It runs around the world, desperately displaying its incompetence and impotence in the hope that someone will take pity on it. Haven't noticed any effect. It's because everyone knows that argieland talks crap. Or lies. Some nations take a little time over this. It's hard to believe that an entire “state” can be psychotic. But, little by little, they get it. It's good to see that argieland is dying. It's only “friends” the terrorists, the rogues, the losers. Eventually we will be able to do the “right thing” and cull it into oblivion. A couple of centuries and I can see Uruguayan guides telling visitors “This used to be a criminal area called argieland.” Fortunately, by then, the word “argentine” will be indistinguishable from the word “nazi”. And the world will be a better place!
16 M_of_FI (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 11:59 am Report abuse
I find it quite confusing that the majority of Argentine posters seem to think Argentina is some kind of international economic and political powerhouse and Britain is crumbling socially and economically. I wonder what this is based on? Britain is going through economic troubles, but even through this hardship the British economy is still larger and more productive than Argentina's. Then if you consider the inflation, currency and an increasingly state controlled economy, Argentina's future is not looking good.

Tell me Troll, how is Argentina the superior country to Britain. You allude to it in virtually every post, but you never explain why. Please answer this question using facts and not using your opinion or links to youtube.
17 manchesterlad (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 12:23 pm Report abuse
I knew that some low life troll would mention the murder in Woolwich just to get a dig at the Brits, the only question was which one?

So this low life Troll to Troll wins the title of 'most despicable nasty piece of human waste of 2013' ......Congratulations!

I don't usually reply to trolls but in your case I will make an exception
'Andate a la concha de tu madre, hijo de puta'!!!
18 Benson (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
@16 You're asking for reason from the unreasonable, it won't happen.
19 andy65 (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
@ TroLLey_to_Truth Two words for you BITTER ,TWISTED just like your dear lady botox queen -oh by the way is Nestor's TART being invited to the 10 year Kirchner celebrations?? who the foook in the right mind celebrates the demise of a country
20 Orbit (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
Interesting that the woolwich murder prompted a meeting of the cobra committee within hours ... and yet in BA you can be shot in the back at a bus stop and nada happens. Could it be that its because you are a potentially damaging (to the government) witness in the train crash case?
21 Conqueror (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
@10 But WE do matter to YOU, don't we? Because we've proved that we won't “appease” you. We've proved that we aren't afraid of you. We've proved that we WILL hold, or take back, what belongs to us. We've proved that you're a little bunch of insignificant tossers. We've proved that we can beat you shitless anytime, anywhere, with less than 10% of our strength. We've proved that you are NOTHING. So you come on here to piss in the wind. Desperately hoping, and failing, to achieve some sort of credibility. Using words in a last failing hope that you can bring a highly successful nation down to your level of corrupt, greedy criminality. Not a chance! We understand you sub-humans much better now. Nothing you say can be believed. Not one of you can be trusted. You have neither morals nor principles. This doesn't apply to the tiny minority I refer to as Argentines. The argie majority can only look forward to, at best, culling. The world cannot accept the existence of an amoral criminal grouping. For argieland the clock is ticking. 30 “world” seconds to extinction. For somewhere that should never have been allowed. Already planning the party! But, in future years, argieland will be used as an example, in schools, of what needs to be exterminated as soon as it is recognised. Like nazi germany, argieland must be completely destroyed. It has no place in the modern world.
22 andy65 (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
further more your a bunch of EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS who obviously have a clouded memory of your own history
23 M_of_FI (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
@18 Benson

I know. But it is just fun to ask.
24 briton (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
''Clearly we have no wish to become a colony of Argentina''

But if they wish to be a colony of the Falklands,
They can apply,
They have no chance in hell,
But they can but ask lolol.
.
25 Chicureo (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
#5 Troll
We have our problems, but compared to Argentina, Chile is a paradise...
”Chile´s high school graduation rates have increased (almost 90 percent of 25- to 34-year-olds hold high school degrees, versus less than 40 percent of 55- to 64-year-olds), and access to higher education has greatly expanded over the past 20 years. More than 1 million students are enrolled today in postsecondary institutions, compared to less than 250,000 in 1990. At the same time, national and international tests point to significant improvements in the quality of Chile’s primary and secondary schools. The socioeconomic achievement gap also has narrowed. Today, 7 of 10 Chileans attending university are the first generation in their families to do so.” Google it you arse!
26 Faz (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
How long before the sun on the Rg rag gets replaced by a swastika? Membership of the axis of evil is now virtually guaranteed. Decent homeloving people like Jan Cheek just aren't understood or appreciated by the mob of greasy football crazed morons that make up Rglands population. Thanks to Jans efforts a lot more of the world now knows about a functioning democracy in the South Atlantic. Talk about chalk and cheese...
27 Islander1 (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
Marcos - do please enlighten us with this failure you claim that the Referendum was?
So far we here are quite happy with what appears to be gradually happening - we never expected overnight decisions - nations take time to review-analyize- weigh up options and decide policy etc.
Seems Argentina is getting more desperate by the day though!
28 Sir Rodderick Bodkin (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 01:56 pm Report abuse
Don't worry, most of us argentine want a friendly/peaceful relation with the citizens of the Falklands. However, as long as the botox witch remains in power, this will not change.

I hope for a better future in which we all get along fine, but for that to happen, we need to get rid of this government.
29 Devolverislas (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
“She (Margaret Thatcher) is remembered with gratitude and affection in the Falkland Islands for her role in the decision to liberate the Islands when they were invaded and occupied and for her subsequent continued support for our right to self determination. Attempts to achieve a diplomatic settlement at the time would have taken no account of the wishes of the people of the Islands so she finally rejected the proposal”, says MLA Jan Cheek.

Jan Cheek at once gives credit to the late Margaret Thatcher and ties her to the right of self-determination claimed by the islanders. The United Nations, who enshrined that right in the Charter, has always withheld its application to the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas. Mrs. Thatcher should have known that. Some of her inner circle knew it, according to the recently released private papers, and advised her against her going to war and suggested that the islanders be bribed into accepting Argentine sovereignty over the islands.

It’s sobering to think that the British decision to go to war may have been based on a fallacy – that of islander self-determination. The islanders have been very successful in keeping the wool pulled over the eyes of the British public.
30 Tobers (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
Could the Falklands and Argentina be any more different to each other?

Tiny, isolated community quietly backed by Westminster just getting on with it and without trying making Argentina look utterly pathetic.
31 Simon68 (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
28 Sir Rodderick Bodkin (#)
May 23rd, 2013 - 01:56 pm

With the money laundering bill and the La Campora price mafia plus the “democratization” of the Judiciary showing p the desperation in the (mis)government, I think that we wont have to wait much longer for the stupid bitch to throw in the towel!!!!!!!!
32 War Monkey (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
19 andy65 (#)
May 23rd, 2013 - 12:47 pm

The same low life scum suckers who celebrate the outbreak of a war that they started. The only reason that they don't celebrate the end of it is because they lost. Even though it signifies the end of the dying and the suffering.
33 Biguggy (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
@29
Just show us where paragraph 2 of Article 1 of the UN Charter, available here:
www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
is ruled not applicable to the Falkland Islanders.
The RG's and the Spaniards did once try to get a resolution through doing just that but it was amended before its final form was adopted.
Three other things you, and your supporters need to realize are:
1. General Assembly Resolutions are not binding so even if the RG's and the Spaniards had succeeded the Resolution would not have been binding on the UK.
2. Security Council Resolutions are binding and we all know how much notice the RG's took of 512 don't we?
3. The UN Charter overrides everything else and nowhere, that I am aware of has it ever defined what 'peoples', as per Article 1 paragraph 2, are. So until that occurs it includes everyone on earth.
34 Pete Bog (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
@3
“Decisive referendum Mrs. Cheek?
Failure is more appropriate.”

A vote of 99% in favour + is a failure?

What's success?
35 Monkeymagic (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
@29

As you've been told on another thread. The UN has never withheld the right to self determination for the islanders.

In fact when an attempt was made by the LATAM countries to suggest that only territories where there was no sovereignty dispute should be afforded the right self-determination...IT WAS REJECTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

So you are lying and you know you are lying.

Of course the islands COULD be bribed to give their sovereignty to Argentina. That would be self-determination, they could CHOOSE (or not) to accept the bribe.

Hows about $25trillion USD? No?? $100trillion.

The war was quite simple. Argentina (not the Junta) invaded sovereign British Territory and ignored a BINDING UN Security Council Resolution to leave.

They were then EVICTED and bloody lucky we stopped there, and showed pity, humility and compassion and a positive if unplanned consequence was Argentina was sped back to democracy (which they have subsequently wasted by electing the most stupid, ridiculous, corrupt, melted face hag as President)
36 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
Oh poor offended little saints, all outraged at my mentioning of religious violence in their country.

The same people that two months ago were gloating and openly celebrating how 51 argies drowned in the La Plata storm.

Who are they kidding.
37 reality check (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
There is a difference between mentioning and gloating, you sick fuck!
38 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/04/04/death-toll-of-54-as-torrential-rain-and-flash-floods-hit-la-plata-and-buenos-aires

comment #1: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShGrtA17mSg

comment #2: Deserve it they do.

comment #3: This is tragic and I know I should care. But for some reason I don't.

Well, and then just keep reading the comments...

I will gloat all day about misfortunes in the USA, Europe and elsewhere. How about that?
39 Joe Bloggs (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
38

LOL! Oh dear. Look what you've become. The same as the cowards who made the remarks you refer to. I didn't realise you were so weak.
40 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
Weak? My feet are bigger than yours.
41 Joe Bloggs (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
40
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4szP49_HKE
42 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
That is the first song in English I have heard in about three weeks.

For the record, I ask that question every hour, that's how good I am.
43 Biguggy (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
@42
'Self congratulation is no congratulation at all', who said that?
44 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
You mean “to preen”.

I know my 3rd language (English), better than your only langauge (English monolingual).
45 Steve-33-uk (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
@Devolverislas

Resolution 1514 - Paragraph 6 cannot be used to justify territorial claims, it is not it's purpose.

“6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.”

'Self-determination versus territorial integrity
...A number of states have laid claim to territories, which they allege were removed from them as a result of colonialism. This is justified by reference to Paragraph 6 of UN Resolution 1514(XV), which states that any attempt “aimed at partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter”. This, it is claimed, applies to situations where the territorial integrity of a state had been disrupted by colonisation, so that the people of a territory subject to a historic territorial claim are prevented from exercising a right to self-determination. This interpretation is rejected by many states, who argue that Paragraph 2 of UN Resolution 1514(XV) states that “all peoples have the right to self-determination” and Paragraph 6 cannot be used to justify territorial claims. The original purpose of Paragraph 6 was “to ensure that acts of self-determination occur within the established boundaries of colonies, rather than within sub-regions”. Further, the use of the word attempt in Paragraph 6 denotes future action and cannot be construed to justify territorial redress for past action.[50] An attempt sponsored by Spain and Argentina to qualify the right to self-determination in cases where there was a territorial dispute was rejected by the UN General Assembly, which re-iterated the right to self-determination was a universal right.'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination
46 Brit Bob (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
There are lots of normal countries in South America but unfortunately, Argentina is not one of them.
47 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
Normal = subjugated
48 Troy Tempest (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
Toby=indoctrinated
49 Faz (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
Toby=Nostril=Trolley=Chicuero etc etc etc Schizoid, sick, angry kid in a bedroom somewhere. Why does anyone bother?
50 andy65 (#) May 23rd, 2013 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
TroLLey_to_Truth ,So will Nestor's dirty tart be going to the 10 year Kirchner celebrations or not I mean he must have been screwing her for most of that period so isn't it only right she attends as guest of The botox Queen? you can understand why old one eyed Nestor strayed though having to look at Crissy to long would drive any man to stray
51 Islander1 (#) May 24th, 2013 - 12:27 am Report abuse
TTT - now the young man hacked to death by 2 violent lunatic muslims has been named and you find he leaves a wife and 2 year old son who will now never know his father - do you still gloat? - if so you are a sick and base animal?
52 ManRod (#) May 24th, 2013 - 01:12 am Report abuse
5 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) And don't you Chichureo? Like allowing more than just 16% of youth in your country a chance to actually hmm, see what a university is like, and not just hear about it in books and fairy tales?

___

Biiiig own goal, dude. Chile with payed education and against all odds, has a way higher density of students than its neighbour Argentina with its “free” and low quality eucational system. Additionally it holds 4 universities in the latest TOP 10 QS Latin American universities ranking, more than every other resting nation, followed by Brazil with 3 and Argentina with 0 (ZERO).
According to the latest OCED study, Chile has a density of 33% of its 18-28 year population students in tertiary educational institutions, more than for example develped nations like Germany. So take your lies somewhere else...
53 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 24th, 2013 - 02:30 am Report abuse
@51

It is trully amazing the lack of moral center of the British and the Anglos and more broadly Europeans in general.

YOU of all people, should understand than when your homeland is INVADED by an agressor that drops bombs on you and your family, you may not like those people too much, right?

That is why for all my berating of posters here,you NEVER see me question the feelings of Falklanders about the war and towards argentines. Those who lived through the conflict have whatever rights to whatever feelings.

So again, YOU of all people would understand WHY the muslims feel the way they do about Britain, France, Spain, Germany, the USA, , etc, etc, etc... and why they bomb your subways, kill your people, blow up cooker bombs in your public events, fly planes into your buildings.

THEY HAVE BEEN INVADED BY EUROPE/USA, SUBJUGATED BY YOU, OPPRESSED (BY WESTERN BACKED DICTATORS), SINCE AT LEAST 1850.

WHAT OTHER REACTION YOU EXCEPT FROM MANY OF THEM? GRATITUDE???????

YOU, of all people, should understand why they feel the way they do.
54 Troy Tempest (#) May 24th, 2013 - 02:50 am Report abuse
TubbyTeenTroll

Look at your mock indignation!!

The events in London have nothing to do with the subject of the relationship between the peaceful Fslkland Islands and South American countries.
Even aggressor states like Argentina.

You introduced your gloating about London in order to provoke a reaction from us, spew your racial hatred and divert attention from the friendly and reasonable diplomacy of the Falklands.

Now you wish to get self-righteous about a distasteful, cheap, controversy that you created.

You are a vile opportunist, feeding on human tragedy.

The Peronist harpy that you support and admire, has also manufactured a human and moral conflict, Argentina vs Falklanders, as a diversion and a tool to direct frustration and anger away from her.

The Falklanders (and UK) are no threat and no enemies of Argentina, but it is in your interest to have Argentinians believe they are.

You are perpetuating a LIE for CFK's personal gain.
55 TroLLey_to_Truth (#) May 24th, 2013 - 02:57 am Report abuse
I don't know about the Falklands, but the UK is an enemy and has been since 1806.
56 Troy Tempest (#) May 24th, 2013 - 04:05 am Report abuse
55 teen troll Toby

“I don't know about the Falklands, but the UK is an enemy and has been since 1806.”

Again, your problems are of your own making.

Steady enmity since 1806, huh?
If you are enemies of the UK, it is because you choose to be.
Right now, it suits your political ends.

CFK uses UK and the Falklands as scapegoats to control the patriotic Argentine people.

She can blame outsiders for problems and direct anger and discontent away from her. They are a convenient 'common foe' and CFK will pledge to fight them alongside fellow Argentinians, for the sake of their country and their homes.

Of course, the Falklands/Malvinas issue will never be resolved, CFK would need a new enemy. That's the real reason they will not speak or negotiate with the Islanders, despite invitations and previous cooperation.

Once an enemy, always an enemy??
Since 1806?? Are you kidding?

UK was at war with Spain in 1806.
UK was at war with France too, around then.
UK was at war with the USA in 1812

UK and Spain signed peace treaties in 1850
UK fought with France and USA against the Germans and Turks in WWI
UK built the railways and much infrastructure in Argentina in early 29th century.
They made large investments that modernised Argentina and was mutually beneficial.
UK fought against Germany and Japan in WWII with Brazil, the USA, USSR, and China to liberate France and the rest of Europe and Asia from the Fascists of Italy and Germany and Japan.
“Cold War” with USSR and China after WWII, allies with Japan and Germany.
UK supported Palestine against Israeli settlers
UK close allies with USA
UK forms modern Commonwealth, grants peaceful Independence to former colonies.
UK invests in automobiles, ships, and other trade with Argentina and SA
UK liberates Falkland Islands from Invaders, 1982
UK and FI trade with AR in 90's until the K's
UK joins EU
UK heads 54 member Commonwealth of Nations

Do you see Toby? Modern states do not remain enemies forever, or even 200 years.
57 La Patria (#) May 24th, 2013 - 04:30 am Report abuse
@55 TTT
Uk has been an enemy of whom since 1806?
It couldn't be Argentina because that “country” didn't exist then. Probably not an enemy of your ancestors because they were probably still in Europe. If they were on South American soil then they were likely very busy massacring the native Indian inhabitants.
You seem lost and confused, che. I hope releasing your thoughts on this site is helping make up for the missed psychoanalysis sessions.
58 Orbit (#) May 24th, 2013 - 07:09 am Report abuse
So you are not Subjugated? How's the free press, free and independent judiciary, freedom to speak out against the government without a visit from AFIP, free and transparent democracy, freedom to travel abroad, freedom to buy any currency you like going? What about stats by which you can measure the government e.g. Crime, inflation, unemployment? Are they freely available or are you subjugated to believe what they tell you?

Good luck with your 'freedom'.
59 Vestige (#) May 24th, 2013 - 11:40 am Report abuse
“wish for normal neighborly relations with all South American neighbors”.

mmmmmmm....naaaaah I don't think that'll be happening for this generation or the next.

Grossly irresponsible to not come to an agreement acceptable to Argentina for your childrens sake.
60 Benson (#) May 24th, 2013 - 11:51 am Report abuse
@59
How can we come to an agreement that is acceptable to Argentina if they won't talk to us. If you mean us not giving Argentina sovereignty, which is the only thing they will talk about, I think our children will thank us for that.
61 Vestige (#) May 24th, 2013 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
57 - UK of GB and NI didn't exist til the 1920's :)
62 Monkeymagic (#) May 24th, 2013 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
Vestige

Exactly, countries change their names,

Argentina used to be the United provinces of river plate, and before that they were “the genocidal conquistador Spanish colonialists of South American Amerindian land”

We were indeed at war with the “genocidal conquistador Spanish colonialists of South American Amerindian land”, which had mostly finished by 1815 and the Battle of Waterloo.

In 1850 a full y peace treaty with Argentina was signed..

Nostril wants to forget that the VAST majority of the Argentine population are descended from EUROPEAN GENOCIDAL COLONIALISTS and the vast majority of the British are descended from people who never went to the colonies, let alone kept them...
63 Vestige (#) May 24th, 2013 - 12:20 pm Report abuse
Guess that makes Argentina older than the UK of GB and NI.

... and its claim too. :)
64 Benson (#) May 24th, 2013 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
Guess that makes the Falkland Islands older than either.
65 Steve-33-uk (#) May 24th, 2013 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
'Gibraltar given full Uefa membership at London Congress'
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22657481

'Spanish Incursions: Ineffective and useless warnings'
www.panorama.gi/localnews/headlines.php?action=view_article&article=10264&offset=0

'In the last decade, the Malvinas cause was central and Latin America added its support - The cause for the claim to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands regained force from the assumption of former President Nestor Kirchner, with a shift in the strategy of seduction Menem kelpers and ephemeral changes of the Alliance for a diplomatic offensive at all areas anchored today in a renovated historic Latin American support....'
www.telam.com.ar/notas/201305/18829-en-la-ultima-decada-la-causa-malvinas-fue-tema-central-y-latinoamerica-sumo-su-apoyo.html

'Cristina attend the Te Deum in the Basilica of Luján - The celebration will be interfaith, with the participation of representatives of all faiths who live in the country. A Lujan, Cristina take one of seven flags fluttered in the Falklands in 1966, operating under the Condor...'
www.telam.com.ar/notas/201305/18800-cristina-asistira-al-tedeum-en-la-basilica-de-lujan.html

'Correa took a new mandate and attacked the press - “Ecuador is a paradise” , he said in his speech. The target of his speech were the media. He also criticized the Commission and the OAS, and reaffirmed their “friendship” with Iran . “ The Malvinas are Argentine only are Latin American, ”said...'
america.infobae.com/notas/72031-Correa-asumi-un-nuevo-mandato-y-arremeti-contra-la-prensa
66 Pete Bog (#) May 24th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
@59
“Grossly irresponsible to not come to an agreement acceptable to Argentina for your childrens sake.”

What a load of false Argentine macho rubbish with no substance to back that statement up !”

If the agreement was acceptable to Argentina, Falklands children would lose :
1/- A stable, efficient, open (ie; not corrupt as in p.e.r.o.n.i.s.t.) government.
2/- Would be saddled with debt instead of operating at a financial surplus.
3/- Would be defended by an air force that is LESS capable than it was in 1982, (that's 30 years ago by the way), therefore would open up the islands to external threats.
4/- Would not be defended by the Argentine navy; as you may have noticed Vestige, most of the Argentine navy is unserviceable, it could not defend Argentina, let alone it's would-be colony in the Falklands.
5/- Would be defended by an army that is ONLY capable of suppressing unarmed people and would surrender at the first sign of a foreign invasion. If 50 Argentine soldiers were to fight against 50 FIDF soldiers, the FIDF would wipe the floor with the Argentines, I mean the FIDF selected the Steyr AUG BEFORE the Argentine forces did.
6/- Would lose the right to a full, free education including being funded for British Universities. Do Argentina actually have Universities?
7/-It's resources would be stolen by Argentina and swallowed up paying Argentina's debts, besides, Argentina cannot deal with it's own resources effectively without the help of foreign companies.

The course the islanders have taken, is the best possible solution for it's children as Argentina has NOTHING to offer the Islanders they do not have already.

The 99% vote in the referendum is the most RESPONSIBLE thing the Islanders have done to secure their children having a good, reasonably wealthy standard of living, which would evaporate the moment the Islands became a colony of Argentina.

By the way, what's the chance of CFK getting a 99% vote in an Argentine election?
67 golfcronie (#) May 24th, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
@66
I concur with everything that you have stated. What on earth has Argentina got to offer you, once the oil flows in late 2017, the world is your oyster.Your road to Indepedence is assured.
68 Vestige (#) May 24th, 2013 - 11:41 pm Report abuse
66 - “Do Argentina actually have Universities?”
...pretty much sums up your comment.

67 - “@66 I concur with everything that you have stated.”
Same section for you then.
69 Pete Bog (#) May 25th, 2013 - 08:34 am Report abuse
@68
“pretty much sums up your comment.”

Which apart from my ironic aside on Argentina's low performing/graded Universities, you are completely unable to counter or argue against.

The only suggestion I have ever seen on these posts to suggest how Argentina could improve the lives of the Falkland Islands, is by offering three airline flights a week, when the Islands are already adequately served by aircraft.

Pathetic.

It's like offering Daniel Craig a bit part in a soap powder advert instead of the lead role in a James Bond film.
70 lsolde (#) May 25th, 2013 - 08:53 am Report abuse
Quite right, Pete.
They've got nothing that we want & plenty that we don't want.
Bye, bye Argentina.
We don't need you & we don't want you.
Please stay on your side of the fence.
(No, you DON'T own our side of the fence, who on earth told you that?).
71 Vestige (#) May 25th, 2013 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
ironic aside/brain-fart
72 Conqueror (#) May 25th, 2013 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
@53 A nice twisted comment. If “we” invaded, we did so openly. “We” didn't sneak into their countries pretending to be “asylum seekers” or “honest” migrants. “We” didn't send “preachers” around their country trying to pervert people. “We” didn't leach off their welfare systems. Not least because they didn't have any. And did they benefit? They did. “We” even did things in argieland that “we” had done elsewhere. “We” built railways. “We” built roads. “We” made economies work! And with what result? Some realised what “we” had done, accepted the benefits and progressed on their own course once “we” left. Others were like argieland. Once the British stopped guiding the economy, argieland started on its round of boom, bust, inflation, poverty, devaluation. It couldn't be bothered maintaining the railways, so that people die! What do “we” want from them? In many cases, “we” still give them foreign aid. So “we” would like them to use the foreign aid properly rather than following CFK's example and pocketing anything she can get her sticky fingers on. Most of all, “we” would like them to stay away. BUT, these acts aren't being perpetrated by “patriots”. They are being perpetrated by Islamic fanatics intent on world domination by their hate-based cult.
@55 That would be when B A was a SPANISH possession during the Anglo-Spanish War when Spain was, effectively, part of the Napoleonic Empire?
@59 Good!
@63 What “claim”? The one in your deranged “mind”?
@68 Quite right. Argieland has things it calls “universities”. But then, “argies” call themselves human.
@71 Homophobic drivel!
73 Vestige (#) May 25th, 2013 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
Never referred to you.
74 Troy Tempest (#) May 25th, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
“Vestige”

ves·tige
/ˈvestij/
Noun
A trace of something that is disappearing or no longer exists.
The smallest amount (used to emphasize the absence of something): “without a vestige of sympathy”.
Synonyms
trace - remnant - relic
75 Vestige (#) May 25th, 2013 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
A trace of something that is... disappearing ...or no longer exists.
Synonyms
trace - remnant - relic

empire : ... :)
76 lsolde (#) May 25th, 2013 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
Yes, Vestige, you are that far behind.
European countries gave up their empires.
Argentina is still trying to get one.
Not at our expense, you don't.
Maybe you can colonise the Moon.
77 Vestige (#) May 26th, 2013 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
no the US already own the moon. They put their flag on it so its theirs. Thats how it works isn't it.
78 HansNiesund (#) May 26th, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
@77

No it isn't. What century do you think it is?
79 Pete Bog (#) May 27th, 2013 - 09:00 am Report abuse
@71
You are still incapable of informing us of how the Argentines could make life better for the Falkland Islands, because put basically they cannot.

Issuing a term like brain fart merely proves you cannot counter the points I made otherwise you would analyse each comment and disprove it.

You are incapable of doing so.
80 Vestige (#) May 27th, 2013 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
Well pick 1 point, Im not going to write a book just for sake of making a comment.
81 Pete Bog (#) May 27th, 2013 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
@80
OK, here's one.
I argue:
6/- On being taken over by Argentina Falkland Islanders would lose the right to a full, free education including being fully funded for British Universities.

I have left out my comment deriding Argentine universities-but you are free to quote any Argentine universities that are recognised internationally, to outperform those in the UK, with evidence.

For instance if Argentina were to colonise the Falkland Islands, would the Islanders still have free access to an education based on UK standards and free access to universities in the UK?

If you are so sure that Argentina can offer the Falkland Islands something they cannot provide for :
a) By themselves.
b) By the UK
you are free to suggest.

Because you have failed to do so, proves to me that you cannot, but I am open to suggestions for you to prove your case.

I am absolutely confident that you can't.
82 rudolpharr (#) May 27th, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
@81

As an Argentinian, I cannot imagine why anyone in their right mind -except if they are self-harming- would want to become a part of Argentina or have anything to do with Argentina in terms of rule...unless perhaps to get cheaper Dulce de Leche...
83 Troy Tempest (#) May 27th, 2013 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
82

Thanks for mentioning that, Rudolpharr.

:-)
84 Ena_Sharples (#) May 27th, 2013 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
@80

Let's think outside the box.

How about transferring the rule of Argentina to the Falklands and thus solve the problem of corrupt Argentinian politicians? I think in a referendum most Argentinian's would vote in favour by a landslide majority.
85 Vestige (#) May 28th, 2013 - 01:49 am Report abuse
Firstly, don't expect a long detailed answer to everything you say when someone makes a comment. Its not that Im evading anything...its more a question of not bothering to engage in a long rant on your terms.
Think 'Mormon calling on a Sun morning to prove how you're wrong'.
.
Anyway, No.6 - who said anything about being taken over, not me, or losing anything, not me. I cannot provide any evidence of Arg' universities outperforming uni's in England, although again that is a rather vague request.
(btw re: the steyr stuff, very random)
So ! - It is irresponsible to sit there as 3000 people on the 2nd most sparsely populated place on earth and not make some inroads into ensuring your (grand)kids wont be pariahs in the eyes of Arg and S.Am. Its an all or nothing gamble of their futures, now, based on past trends.
Being out of the steam age now how long do you expect to 'survive' as sole proprietors of a private country club the size of N.Ireland. 100 years ? 200 ? - pointless, theres a natural inevitability being avoided. Probably some detriment in the meantime too. What purpose the islands anyway?
Arg will emerge as a stronger richer country in the midterm, better to not be hated and to have opportunities of such place open to next gen.
.
Not that its likely but if things go awry internationally and mummys not there how would it feel to be dug in, with no insurance, in a bunker next to what I believe will be a much modernized place of 50+ million.
In terms of future co-operation which WILL become a necessity for any growth past a certain point and for opportunities, and to not have an enemy possibly waiting round the corner it would be better ... more responsible, to move slowly and smooth things out with Arg.
Personally I'd go with something in the style of hong kong with more, it would look very good for Kristina, I know you love her.
Or maybe her successor in 30/50 years will be worse and have a brigade of jetpack infantry and supersonic hydrofoils.
Im out.
86 HansNiesund (#) May 28th, 2013 - 05:59 am Report abuse
The point you are missing is that the UK tried for decades to reach some sort of accommodation with Argentina. Even after 1982 the UK was quick to enter into the kind of functional confidence building measures that are a necessary precursor to any kind of negotiated settlement. All of these efforts have foundered on Argentine irrationality and intransigence, only the most recent instance of which is the refusal to sit in the same room as islanders, while claiming to the world the UK is refusing to negotiate. A fine complement to the practice of claiming colonial inheritance in front of the decolonization committee to justify the colonization of a territory whose inhabitants supposedly have no rights in the matter.

Meanwhile, the UK has made it perfectly clear that the Argentines can have sovereignity any time they like. All they have to do is convince the islanders that's the best course for them. Why is that so hard?

Surely it couldn't be be that the state-induced sense of Malvinista grievance is a greater asset to Argentine politicians than the actual islands would be?
87 Troy Tempest (#) May 28th, 2013 - 06:40 am Report abuse
Bang on, Hans!

Of course that is exactly what is going on.
88 lsolde (#) May 28th, 2013 - 08:54 am Report abuse
@85 Vestige,
More threats, Vestige?
You really don't know our mindset, do you señor?
All l can say to you is, “ln your dreams, matey”.
Try it!
89 Biguggy (#) May 28th, 2013 - 09:31 am Report abuse
@85
Canada and Saint Pierre et Miquelon manage it very well, to the benefit of both I believe.
The offshore boundary dispute was settled amicably, I believe, in court, neither 'side' got everything they asked for but do not really think that either of them expected to.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon

The problem with that is the RG's just cannot be trusted to honor, agreements, treaties, court orders, debts, UN Security Council Resolutions etc. They just want what they decide they want and no compromise is possible.
90 Simon68 (#) May 28th, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
82 rudolpharr (#)
May 27th, 2013 - 07:58 pm

You may be right, but as probably the only Argentine living who cannot stand dulce de leche I'm not the one to say!!!!!

86 HansNiesund (#)
May 28th, 2013 - 05:59 am

You are absolutely right in your final query, the very LAST thing that the populist politicians want is for Argentina to actually get her hands on the “Malvinas”, they would have nothing left to blow smoke in our eyes with!!!!!

When I was very young, which was a very long time ago, nobody talked about the “Malvinas” belonging to us, the Islands were British and the Islanders brought the first sheep to Santa Cruz territory and that was that. It wasn't until 1941 that anybody said the Islands were ours and all this ridiculous nationalism started.

What I would really like to know is if somewhere in the region of 60% of our population really think that getting the sovereignty of the Islands will solve the problems of galloping inflation, rising street crime, loss of individual freedom, inaccessible justice, total lack of foreign reserves, etc.

If getting sovereignty over the Islans will remedy all our ills, then lets get sovereignty, but if it wont we must forget the myth and try to climb back into the real world!!!!!!!!
91 HansNiesund (#) May 28th, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
@90

Thanks, Simon.

Interesting article here describing how “national awareness” was awakened in the late thirties and early forties. I suppose it's encouraging that today's Malvinistas seem almost sane compared to forebears such as the the Alianza de la Juventud Nacionalista (motto : “War against the Jew. Hatred towards the Jew. Death to the Jew.”).

www.lagazeta.com.ar/historia_de_malvinas.htm#08
92 Vestige (#) May 28th, 2013 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
Yes Isolde, it was a threat of jetpack infantry. take it seriously and pack an extra tinfoil hat just in case.
93 lsolde (#) May 29th, 2013 - 09:10 am Report abuse
You're a fool, Vestige.
However feel free to try it on.
You would be well advised not to be taken alive.
Just some friendly advice from your lsland neighbours.
lsn't that what friends are for?

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